[INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari on Mac

Sat Jul 16 15:50:23 UTC 2016

I'd also like to thank everyone who has clarified Sanskrit diacritical
inputs in El Capitan. Big relief!

David

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Another happy discovery yesterday was that OpenOffice for Mac is able to
> display characters with multiple markings like ā̃́, ī̃́, ū̃́, ṝ̃́ etc.
> So, if one is writing something that needs characters with such multiple
> markings on Mac, it is possible to do a document in OpenOffice and save it
> as a pdf to preserve these character-markings.  I hope someday MS Word for
> Mac will be able to do that.  At least, for now, we can happily do Unicode
> Devanagari on MS Word for Mac.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 1:41 AM, Valerie Roebuck <vjroebuck at btinternet.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes, It took me a while to work that out. I was on the phone to a baffled
>> person at Apple trying to explain about my Sanskrit diacritics no longer
>> working when the penny suddenly dropped.
>>
>> Valerie J Roebuck
>> Manchester, UK
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 03:38, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Hans,
>>
>>      Evidently the ABC Extended Keyboard on El Kapitan operating system
>> is the same as the US Extended Keyboard on Maverick and older operating
>> systems, with just a different name.
>>
>> Madhav
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried the US Extended keyboard, Madhav?
>>>
>>> I use Times New Roman, which works very well with unicode
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 16:25, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hans,
>>>
>>>      Just tested your suggestions with ABC Extended keyboard layout, and
>>> this does work in TextEdit and in Gmail, but not in MS Word.  I tried to
>>> copy and paste from EextEdit into Word, and the Word was not able to show
>>> the stacking of three diacritics like ā̃́.  Glad to know that such
>>> combinations are possible at least on some platforms.  Thanks, Hans, for
>>> solving one of my long-standing problems.  With best wishes,
>>>
>>> Madhav
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Hans,
>>>>
>>>>      Which keyboard-layout are you using to produce these characters?
>>>>
>>>> Madhav
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich <
>>>> hhhock at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Madhav,
>>>>>
>>>>> Though there may be some limitations on stacking, it is possible to
>>>>> produce the following symbol on the Mac (still system 10.9.5): ā̃́. The
>>>>> first diacritic (the macron) is accessed by typing option a + a; the other
>>>>> two diacritics by entering shift-option n and shift-option e AFTER having
>>>>> typed assembled the basic ā character. This post-character shift-option
>>>>> input procedure doesn’t seem to be well advertised; I more or less stumbled
>>>>> upon it in some university’s instructions for its faculty.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is one concern, however: While ā and the like is treated as a
>>>>> single glyph in unicode and thus transfers well between unicode-compatible
>>>>> platforms, more complex character, such as ā́, ā̃, or ā̃́, are not single
>>>>> glyphs and may therefore not transfer across platforms. We ran into this
>>>>> problem in producing the documents from which the new South Asia volume in
>>>>> the series World of Linguistics have been printed, and the only thing that
>>>>> we could do was submit a pdf-version indicating the desired character shape.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 13:13, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a question as to how to get multiple markings on the same
>>>>> vowel sign.  In my pre-Unicode diacritics font Manjushree-CSX, I had
>>>>> included, for instance, the sign for vowel "a" with three markings, length,
>>>>> nasality and accent.  This is necessary to represent Pāṇinian procedures
>>>>> accurately. Pāṇini deals with eighteen varieties of "a, i, u, ṛ" etc.
>>>>> differing in length, accent and nasality. Is there a way to do this with
>>>>> unicode fonts and keyboards?
>>>>>
>>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Jeffery Long <
>>>>> dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The ABC Extended keyboard on the Mac is good for all diacritical
>>>>>> marks.  Combining the option key with a gives the macron: ā, ī, etc.
>>>>>> Option + x = underdot: ṃ, ṣ, etc.  Option + w = overdot: ṅ.  Option
>>>>>> + e = accent mark: ś.  Tilde is of course option + n: ñ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 15, 2016 9:17 AM, Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe indeed I'm missing something but the Asian Extended keyboard
>>>>>> (made, if I am not wrong, by Nobumi Iyanaga) works perfectly for
>>>>>> diacritics, no mess, no fuss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      The old Easy Unicode keyboard-layout does work on my Mac that
>>>>>> has the latest operating system and the latest MS Office 360.  Try
>>>>>> reinstalling the keyboard file, if you have it.  If not, I can send it to
>>>>>> you.  Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Madhav
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM, David Mellins <dmellins at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, This is true, but have you found a convenient way to enter the
>>>>>> full range  of diacritica for Romanized Sanskrit without having to resort
>>>>>> to Emoji/Latin/favorites inserts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not the worst thing in the world, but slower than the old
>>>>>> Easy Unicode or Dev Unicode keyboards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm shocked.  I don't pay much attention to the Mac world, but I've
>>>>>> been typing Devanagari into everything on my computer for many years
>>>>>> (Linux).  I had no idea that this wasn't possible or easy on a Mac.  Wow.
>>>>>> And the Mac used to be the byword for multilingual support.  I'm glad it's
>>>>>> okay now, at least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dominik
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On 15 July 2016 at 12:58, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Indologists,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      To my happy surprise, I found that with the combination of the
>>>>>> latest version of Microsoft Office 360 for Mac and the latest Mac Operating
>>>>>> System OS X El Capitan, it is now possible to directly enter Unicode
>>>>>> Devanagari in a Word document with the Devanagari - QWERTY keyboard
>>>>>> layout.  Previously, I had to enter Unicode Devanagari in something like
>>>>>> TextEdit and then copy and paste into a Word document, but was not able to
>>>>>> edit it in the Word document.  The new development of software has happily
>>>>>> changed that situation.  Hope this information will be of use to some of
>>>>>> you.  Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>>>>
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