[INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari on Mac

Madhav Deshpande mmdesh at umich.edu
Sat Jul 16 02:38:21 UTC 2016 

Hello Hans,

     Evidently the ABC Extended Keyboard on El Kapitan operating system is
the same as the US Extended Keyboard on Maverick and older operating
systems, with just a different name.

Madhav

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
wrote:

> Have you tried the US Extended keyboard, Madhav?
>
> I use Times New Roman, which works very well with unicode
>
> All the best
>
> Hans
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 16:25, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Hans,
>
>      Just tested your suggestions with ABC Extended keyboard layout, and
> this does work in TextEdit and in Gmail, but not in MS Word.  I tried to
> copy and paste from EextEdit into Word, and the Word was not able to show
> the stacking of three diacritics like ā̃́.  Glad to know that such
> combinations are possible at least on some platforms.  Thanks, Hans, for
> solving one of my long-standing problems.  With best wishes,
>
> Madhav
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Hans,
>>
>>      Which keyboard-layout are you using to produce these characters?
>>
>> Madhav
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Madhav,
>>>
>>> Though there may be some limitations on stacking, it is possible to
>>> produce the following symbol on the Mac (still system 10.9.5): ā̃́. The
>>> first diacritic (the macron) is accessed by typing option a + a; the other
>>> two diacritics by entering shift-option n and shift-option e AFTER having
>>> typed assembled the basic ā character. This post-character shift-option
>>> input procedure doesn’t seem to be well advertised; I more or less stumbled
>>> upon it in some university’s instructions for its faculty.
>>>
>>> There is one concern, however: While ā and the like is treated as a
>>> single glyph in unicode and thus transfers well between unicode-compatible
>>> platforms, more complex character, such as ā́, ā̃, or ā̃́, are not single
>>> glyphs and may therefore not transfer across platforms. We ran into this
>>> problem in producing the documents from which the new South Asia volume in
>>> the series World of Linguistics have been printed, and the only thing that
>>> we could do was submit a pdf-version indicating the desired character shape.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 13:13, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a question as to how to get multiple markings on the same vowel
>>> sign.  In my pre-Unicode diacritics font Manjushree-CSX, I had included,
>>> for instance, the sign for vowel "a" with three markings, length, nasality
>>> and accent.  This is necessary to represent Pāṇinian procedures accurately.
>>> Pāṇini deals with eighteen varieties of "a, i, u, ṛ" etc. differing in
>>> length, accent and nasality. Is there a way to do this with unicode fonts
>>> and keyboards?
>>>
>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Jeffery Long <dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ABC Extended keyboard on the Mac is good for all diacritical
>>>> marks.  Combining the option key with a gives the macron: ā, ī, etc.
>>>> Option + x = underdot: ṃ, ṣ, etc.  Option + w = overdot: ṅ.  Option +
>>>> e = accent mark: ś.  Tilde is of course option + n: ñ.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 15, 2016 9:17 AM, Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe indeed I'm missing something but the Asian Extended keyboard
>>>> (made, if I am not wrong, by Nobumi Iyanaga) works perfectly for
>>>> diacritics, no mess, no fuss.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>>      The old Easy Unicode keyboard-layout does work on my Mac that has
>>>> the latest operating system and the latest MS Office 360.  Try reinstalling
>>>> the keyboard file, if you have it.  If not, I can send it to you.  Best,
>>>>
>>>> Madhav
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM, David Mellins <dmellins at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, This is true, but have you found a convenient way to enter the
>>>> full range  of diacritica for Romanized Sanskrit without having to resort
>>>> to Emoji/Latin/favorites inserts?
>>>>
>>>> This is not the worst thing in the world, but slower than the old Easy
>>>> Unicode or Dev Unicode keyboards.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm shocked.  I don't pay much attention to the Mac world, but I've
>>>> been typing Devanagari into everything on my computer for many years
>>>> (Linux).  I had no idea that this wasn't possible or easy on a Mac.  Wow.
>>>> And the Mac used to be the byword for multilingual support.  I'm glad it's
>>>> okay now, at least.
>>>>
>>>> Dominik
>>>>
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>>>> On 15 July 2016 at 12:58, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Indologists,
>>>>
>>>>      To my happy surprise, I found that with the combination of the
>>>> latest version of Microsoft Office 360 for Mac and the latest Mac Operating
>>>> System OS X El Capitan, it is now possible to directly enter Unicode
>>>> Devanagari in a Word document with the Devanagari - QWERTY keyboard
>>>> layout.  Previously, I had to enter Unicode Devanagari in something like
>>>> TextEdit and then copy and paste into a Word document, but was not able to
>>>> edit it in the Word document.  The new development of software has happily
>>>> changed that situation.  Hope this information will be of use to some of
>>>> you.  Best,
>>>>
>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>>
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