[INDOLOGY] Etymology of vetana 'wages'

Wed Aug 10 15:14:41 UTC 2016

Dear colleagues,

Concerning Skt. *vetana*, one may refer also to R. L. Turner, *A
Comparative Dictionary of the Indo-Aryan Languages*, 12100:

12100 **vētyayati* ʻ makes a price ʼ. [Denom. from **vētyā*- ʻ hire, price
ʼ in (MIA.) *vēcā* -- (v.l. *vētā* -- ) f. ʻ hire, wages ʼ lex. < **vēccā*
-- , cf. *vētana* -- n. ʻ hire, wages ʼ MBh. (*vētanēna krītaḥ* ʻ hired ʼ P
āṇ.com <http://xn--yda201m.com>.), ʻ price ʼ Rājat. (*vikrīṇānō* '
*lpavētanaiḥ*): cf. *vḗti* ʻ procures ʼ RV., √vī (J. C. W.). -- Much less
prob. Bloch LM 411 < *vyayati*, or L. A. Schwarzschild IL 1958, 315
creation of MIA. *vecc* -- ~ *vikk* -- (vikrīyatē) after type *muccaï*,
*paccaï* ~ *mukka* -- , *pakka* -- (though this contrast supports
differentiation of *vecc* -- as ʻ sell ʼ ~ *vikk* -- as ʻ buy ʼ)]

Pk. *veccaï*, *viccēi* ʻ spends ʼ; L. *vēcaṇ* ʻ to sell ʼ, P. *vecṇā*, *be°*,
Ku. *becṇo*, N. *becnu*, A. *besiba*, B. *becā*, Or. *becibā*, (Medinipur)
*bicibā*, Mth. *becab*, *bẽc°*, H. *becnā*, G. *vecvũ*; M. *veċṇẽ* ʻ to
spend ʼ.

Addenda: **vētyayati:* WPah.kṭg. (kc.) *beċṇõ* ʻ to sell ʼ, Garh. *becṇu.*

With best regards,

Seishi Karashima

2016-08-10 23:43 GMT+09:00 Donald R Davis <drdj at austin.utexas.edu>:

> Thanks to everyone on and off list for assistance with this etymology.
>
> Best, Don Davis
>
>
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Nagaraj
> Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 9:18 AM
> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Etymology of vetana 'wages'
>
> Dear Suresh garu,
>
> vEtanam is paid in return to a service.
>
> vartanam /vritti (as in the Telugu munuvritti paid during divorce) is paid
> for the purpose of subsistence , not (necessarily) in return to a service.
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Georges PINAULT <
> georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,   Actually, the book of Jeong-Soo Kim (2010) does not treat
>> anywhere the issue of Skt. *vetana*-, since he does not go beyond the
>> material from RV and AV. I may mention that in his second etymological
>> dictionary Mayrhofer quotes *vetana*- under *vedana*- (II, p. 580) with
>> question mark, and only refers to his previous dictionary (III, p. 254). I
>> have nothing new to offer, but I would assume that the very specific
>> meaning of *vetana*- does not favor any identification with *védana*-
>> (RV+), which does not mean 'wages, hire, salary', etc.
>>
>> Best regards,    Georges-Jean Pinault
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Message du 10/08/16 13:07
>> > De : "Dieter Gunkel" <dcgunkel at gmail.com>
>> > A : "Olivelle, J P" <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
>> > Copie à : "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>> > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Etymology of vetana 'wages'
>>
>> >
>> >
>> You might also check
>>
>> >
>> Kim, Jeong-Soo. 2010. Untersuchungen zu altindischen Abstrakta und
>> Adjektiven im Rigveda und Atharvaveda. Die primären a-Stämme und die
>> ana-Bildungen. Bremen: Hempen,
>> >
>>
>> >
>> which is partly dedicated to nouns suffixed with* -ana-*. If the author
>> treats *vetana-* in the book, there should be some discussion of its
>> morphological composition.
>>
>> >
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> >
>> Dieter
>>
>> >
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>>>
>>> Actually, Mayrhofer (3: 254) says “Vielleicht doch mit Mehendale” — and
>>> given the *vid* etymology. The change from -d- to -t- is viewed as a NW
>>> dialectical variation. He also refers to Kuiper (ZII 8, 263f) who appears
>>> to derive it from *veto *with the suffix -*tana,* as Mr. Misra states.
>>> There appears to be no consensus among historical linguists.
>>>
>>> >
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> On 6 August 2016 at 23:56, Donald R Davis <drdj at austin.utexas.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> M.A. Mehendale, “Some Remarks of the Language of the Original Buddhist
>>>> Canon,” Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute, Vol. 17, No. 3
>>>> (December 1955) suggests that the etymology of Skt. *vetana* ‘wages’
>>>> is "*vedana* ‘wealth, possessions’ from /*vid* ‘to find, to obtain, to
>>>> give, etc.’ which is known since the Rgveda” (p167).
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> Would those of you with IE expertise kindly confirm this etymology,
>>>> point me elsewhere, or share your thoughts on alternative etymologies?  I
>>>> have not yet been able to check Mayrhofer.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> Sounds dubious, for how the *d* of *vid* would change to *t *when
>>> followed by a vowel is beyond me. Here is the authentic traditional
>>> etymology:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> vī gativyāptiprajanakāntyasanakhādaneṣu (DP 1048) → vīpatibhyāṃ tanan
>>> (US 3.150) → vī + tanan → halantyam (A 1.3.3), tasya lopaḥ (A 1.3.9) → vī +
>>> tana → sārvadhātukārdhadhātukayoḥ (A 7.3.84) → ve tana → vetana.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> The Uṇādisūtra *vīpatibhyāṃ tanan* (US 3.150) ordains the suffix *tanan*
>>> (of which only *tana* remains) from the root *vī
>>> gativyāptiprajanakāntyasanakhādaneṣu*’ which is used in the meanings of
>>> *gati* (movement), *vyāpti* (pervading), *prajana* (conception), *kānti*
>>> (desire), *asana* (throwing), and *khādana* (eating). The rule
>>> sārvadhātukārdhadhātukayoḥ (A 7.3.84) results in the ‘vī’ → ve
>>> transformation to get ‘vetana’.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> The word occurs in Amarakoṣa 2.10.38, and the various commentaries on it
>>> may be consulted. Both the *Udghāṭana* and *Vyākhyāsudhā* commentaries
>>> cite US 3.150 and explain the word as *vīyate anena iti vetanam*. The
>>> form *vīyate* is the passive (*yaki*, or *karmaṇi*) form of the root
>>> *vī* whose active (*karttari*) form is *veti*. The meaning of *vīyate
>>> anena iti vetanam*, consequently, is ‘that with which [something] is
>>> obtained is vetana’. Roots with the meaning ‘to go’ also have the meaning
>>> ‘to obtain’ as per the maxim *ye gatyarthāste prāptyarthāḥ*.
>>>
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