[INDOLOGY] Etymology of vetana 'wages'

Wed Aug 10 14:18:01 UTC 2016

Dear Suresh garu,

vEtanam is paid in return to a service.

vartanam /vritti (as in the Telugu munuvritti paid during divorce) is paid
for the purpose of subsistence , not (necessarily) in return to a service.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Georges PINAULT <georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr
> wrote:

> Dear All,   Actually, the book of Jeong-Soo Kim (2010) does not treat
> anywhere the issue of Skt. *vetana*-, since he does not go beyond the
> material from RV and AV. I may mention that in his second etymological
> dictionary Mayrhofer quotes *vetana*- under *vedana*- (II, p. 580) with
> question mark, and only refers to his previous dictionary (III, p. 254). I
> have nothing new to offer, but I would assume that the very specific
> meaning of *vetana*- does not favor any identification with *védana*-
> (RV+), which does not mean 'wages, hire, salary', etc.
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> Best regards,    Georges-Jean Pinault
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> > Message du 10/08/16 13:07
> > De : "Dieter Gunkel" <dcgunkel at gmail.com>
> > A : "Olivelle, J P" <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
> > Copie à : "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Etymology of vetana 'wages'
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> You might also check
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> Kim, Jeong-Soo. 2010. Untersuchungen zu altindischen Abstrakta und
> Adjektiven im Rigveda und Atharvaveda. Die primären a-Stämme und die
> ana-Bildungen. Bremen: Hempen,
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> which is partly dedicated to nouns suffixed with* -ana-*. If the author
> treats *vetana-* in the book, there should be some discussion of its
> morphological composition.
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> Best wishes,
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> Dieter
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> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
> wrote:
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>> Actually, Mayrhofer (3: 254) says “Vielleicht doch mit Mehendale” — and
>> given the *vid* etymology. The change from -d- to -t- is viewed as a NW
>> dialectical variation. He also refers to Kuiper (ZII 8, 263f) who appears
>> to derive it from *veto *with the suffix -*tana,* as Mr. Misra states.
>> There appears to be no consensus among historical linguists.
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>> Patrick
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>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 6 August 2016 at 23:56, Donald R Davis <drdj at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
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>>> Dear Colleagues,
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>>> M.A. Mehendale, “Some Remarks of the Language of the Original Buddhist
>>> Canon,” Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute, Vol. 17, No. 3
>>> (December 1955) suggests that the etymology of Skt. *vetana* ‘wages’ is
>>> "*vedana* ‘wealth, possessions’ from /*vid* ‘to find, to obtain, to
>>> give, etc.’ which is known since the Rgveda” (p167).
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>>> Would those of you with IE expertise kindly confirm this etymology,
>>> point me elsewhere, or share your thoughts on alternative etymologies?  I
>>> have not yet been able to check Mayrhofer.
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>> Sounds dubious, for how the *d* of *vid* would change to *t *when
>> followed by a vowel is beyond me. Here is the authentic traditional
>> etymology:
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>> vī gativyāptiprajanakāntyasanakhādaneṣu (DP 1048) → vīpatibhyāṃ tanan
>> (US 3.150) → vī + tanan → halantyam (A 1.3.3), tasya lopaḥ (A 1.3.9) → vī +
>> tana → sārvadhātukārdhadhātukayoḥ (A 7.3.84) → ve tana → vetana.
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>> The Uṇādisūtra *vīpatibhyāṃ tanan* (US 3.150) ordains the suffix *tanan*
>> (of which only *tana* remains) from the root * vī
>> gativyāptiprajanakāntyasanakhādaneṣu*’ which is used in the meanings of *
>> gati* (movement), *vyāpti* (pervading), *prajana* (conception), *kānti*
>> (desire), *asana* (throwing), and * khādana* (eating). The rule
>> sārvadhātukārdhadhātukayoḥ (A 7.3.84) results in the ‘vī’ → ve
>> transformation to get ‘vetana’.
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>> The word occurs in Amarakoṣa 2.10.38, and the various commentaries on it
>> may be consulted. Both the *Udghāṭana* and *Vyākhyāsudhā* commentaries
>> cite US 3.150 and explain the word as *vīyate anena iti vetanam*. The
>> form *vīyate* is the passive (*yaki*, or *karmaṇi*) form of the root *vī*
>> whose active (*karttari*) form is *veti*. The meaning of *vīyate anena
>> iti vetanam*, consequently, is ‘that with which [something] is obtained
>> is vetana’. Roots with the meaning ‘to go’ also have the meaning ‘to
>> obtain’ as per the maxim *ye gatyarthāste prāptyarthāḥ*.
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