[INDOLOGY] Fun media piece about the Mitanni: Sanskrit in Ancient Syria

[rajam]

Just a quick note … 

We have references in caṅkam literature about training elephants but not about horses.

puravi (புரவி), kutirai (குதிரை), mā (மா), kalimā (கலிமா) are the terms used in caṅkam literature to refer to an animal that we now understand as a “horse.”

āti (ஆதி), pari (பரி), naṭai (நடை), vicai (விசை), kāl iyal (கால் இயல்) are the descriptors that I find with reference to the movement of a horse.

More references would enlighten me.

Thanks and regards,
rajam

> On Jun 30, 2015, at 12:44 PM, George Hart <glhart at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> 
> Dear George,
> 
> This brings to mind a question. In the Tamil Sangam texts, the fast gait (gallop, canter?) of a horse is called ādi (Tamil āti), always in the context of pulling a chariot. It would appear that people had some familiarity with Sanskrit texts on horse training.  It would be interesting (though, of course, unlikely) if the Hittite equivalent of that term appears in Kikkuli’s treatise, as that would suggest origins way back in PIE. Does anyone have any idea whether ādi is used in Sanskrit texts on horses and if so where? I’m not sure when horses first appeared in the Tamil area. Thanks, George
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2015, at 12:19 PM, George Thompson <gthomgt at GMAIL.COM <mailto:gthomgt at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
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>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: George Thompson <gthomgt at gmail.com <mailto:gthomgt at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Fun media piece about the Mitanni: Sanskrit in Ancient Syria
>> To: Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com <mailto:nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>>
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Prof. Paturi,
>> 
>> These 'ancient pastoral nomads' were pre-literate.  They didn't write any horse-training books.  The horse-training book was written by someone named Kikkuli, and he wrote it in Hittite, not Vedic.  In his Hittite horse-training manual there are some clearly pre-Vedic words that refer to horse-training and certain Vedic gods.  Kikkuli was transcribing into Hittite the words of these pre-Vedic nomads who taught the Hittites about horse-training.  
>> 
>> The article that Dominik refers to is a a rather teasing critique of Modi, et al.  It is not scholarly, but it gets the facts right for the most part.  Its main point is that the OIT theory is not supported by any good evidence.  It cites reliable sources like Anthony and the encyclopedia of IE by Mallory and Adams.  If you want to consider what Vedicists think about this, see Mayrhofer and Thieme, just as a start.
>> 
>> Best wishes, as always,
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com <mailto:nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> The article has this sentence:
>>  
>> So much so that 3,500 years later, modern Indians would celebrate the language of these ancient pastoral nomads all the way out in Bangkok city.
>>  
>> The sentence matches with the earlier part of the article, if  'ancient pastoral nomads' is improved as 'ancient pastoral charioteer horse-trainer-book-writing mercenary hymn-singing hymn-documenting nomads'
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Prof.Nagaraj Paturi
>> Hyderabad-500044
>> 
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