[INDOLOGY] meters and songs: the Vedas /// Re: Does anyone know of Sanskrit works that use 2nd-syllable rhyming

Jan E.M. Houben jemhouben at gmail.com
Wed Jul 29 10:24:06 UTC 2015


Dear Prof Paturi,
Re: the statement which you forwarded, apparently with approval. This is
purely hypothetical and beyond verification as the oldest text sufficiently
attested that uses and reflects on verse-meters,
the Rgveda, is also permeated by the knowledge and employment of
"song-forms": saamans (Frits Staal's theory on the Saamaveda therefore
needs modification). It was observed long ago by Oldenberg that the oldest
textbook of the Saamaveda is the Rgveda itself: large parts are apparently
from the beginning composed for the sake of "Saamavedic" employment.
The absence of even a trace of Saamans and Saamaveda in the Avestan
tradition vs. its pervasive presence in the Vedic tradition is remarkable
and not compensated by the presence in both traditions of the genre of the
Gaatha.
Jan Houben



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On 29 July 2015 at 09:15, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sri Naresh Keerthi wrote :
>
> >This feature of poetry seems to have eventually percolated into
> recitative/performative forms that were half-way between poems and songs,
> as well as into genres that were entirely song like.
>
> ----- Both first syllable and second syllable intraline rhymings are
> features found in proverbs, riddles and other verbal folklore
> forms functioning as auditory aesthetic forms serving as memorising tools
> for the tradition-bearers of these oral traditions.
>
> It is more reasonable to expect a sharing of this feature by the native
> verse-meters and lyrical forms with the folklore forms or diffusion of
> these features from the verbal folklore forms and folk songs into
> verse-meters rather than from verse-meters into song-forms.
>
>
>
> --
> Prof.Nagaraj Paturi
> Hyderabad-500044
>
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