[INDOLOGY] Tukaram and the name Tuka

Nagaraj Paturi nagarajpaturi at gmail.com
Tue Apr 7 09:42:06 UTC 2015

1. Suresh, why do you consider DEDR's including star as a meaning in the
entry for cukka wrong? Do you think, cukka=star is a tadbhava coming from
s'ukla=white, ( also?bright?) and not a dEs'ya. Is cukka=star as a
laakshaNika (metaphorical) extension from cukka=dot not convincing?

2. There are other uses of chukka covered in Gwynn's dictionary :


*cukka* *n*. *1* point, dot, spot. *2* drop. *3* star; *eemiTi ~
uuDipaDDaTTu waccEEwu*? why have you come like a star falling? i.e., why
have you come unexpectedly out of the blue? *4* the planet Venus, whose
appearance in front of a traveller starting on a journey is considered
unlucky; *~ tirigindi* *lit*. the star has turned, i.e., Venus is no longer
in front and the auspicious time has begun; *cf*. *cukkeduru*. *5**
beautiful woman. 6 alcohol, liquor*. (underlining mine)

DEDR does not cover these meanings. Are these cukka=beautiful woman and
cukka= alcohol, liquor dEs'ya are not?

 Is cukka = beautiful woman a laakshaNika (metaphorical) extension from

s'ukra in astrology considered to be a planet affecting arts, beauty and
aesthetics; Is it related to that?

Is cukka =liquor a laakshaNika (metaphorical) extension from cukka=
drop? or is it related to the milky white colour (s'ukla) of  country

3. If cukka=star is accepted as a dEs'ya, cukka=planet venus can be linked
to that as a coincidental cultural similarity to expressions such as
morning star.

These are some aspects to ponder over in this connection.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan <Palaniappa at aol.com
> wrote:

> Suresh,
> I agree.
> This is the beauty of the Indology list. Because of a query related to a
> Marathi name and input from our Maharashtrian colleagues, we have
> identified a correction in DEDR! Wonderful!
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
> On Apr 6, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thanks for your replies Nagaraj and Palaniappan!
> Since Venus (*śukra) *can be seen just before sunrise or just after
> sunset as a bright morning or evening star, it is possible that a specific
> term for Venus has merged with the generic term for star. At twilight, it
> seems Venus is up to 15 times brighter than the brightest star, Sirius.
> Based on the semantics of *śukla/**śukra *'bright', 'white', 'bright star'*,
> *and the Tamil semantics as pointed out by Palaniappan, I now believe
> that DEDR was wrong to include the meanings of star in the same entry [DEDR
> 2646 <http://kolichala.com/DEDR/searchindexid.php?q=2646&esb=1> ], along
> with the meanings of spot, speck, dot, water-drop.
> Does Sanskrit *śukla/**śukra *'bright' have any Indo-European (or
> Indo-Iranian) cognates?
> Thanks,
> Suresh.
> Atlanta, GA.

Prof.Nagaraj Paturi

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