From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:48:23 2014 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 09:18:23 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Source of "nAdevo devam arcayet" Message-ID: Thank you very much Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben for all the references and observations that bring out the yaajnik side of the issue in the quote under discussion. These references are interesting precisely in the light of what is already very clearly found in Vedic texts (RV 5.44.14-15) and ritual: see my article THE BRAHMIN INTELLECTUAL: HISTORY, RITUAL AND ?TIME OUT OF TIME? (JIPh 30 [2002]) paragr. 3.3. Jan 3.3 We thus see that the ritual as well as the Brahmana-explanations associated with it possess features inevitably undermining and doing away with the narrativity and historicity which, following Ricoeur?s comprehensive analysis, at once pervade and shape mundane life. ... For instance when the sacrificer in the Soma-sacrifice has undergone the consecration (diksa) he is declared consecrated (diksita) and one should not touch him nor call him by his own name until after the sacrifice is over (Caland and Henry 1906: 20?21). ... The Adhvaryu-priest, at the beginning of the main offering on new- or fullmoon day, is required to ?think on Prajapati? (prajapatim manasa dhyayan, Apastamba Srauta Sutra 2.12.7). ... formulas such as the so-called Dasahotr (Taittiriya Aranyaka 3.1) which gives cosmic identifications of participants and instruments in the sacrifice (Apastamba Srauta Sutra 4.9.3). ... The participants thus associate themselves with cosmic entities, or even lose their personalities of worldly narrative reality when they are identified as players in an ahistoric cosmic drama. Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ? 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(Listeners outside the UK may need a VPN connection to a computer inside the UK.) One listener who attended the premiere, said, It was indeed an amazing flood, a wash of sound and texture, and indeed text. In the hall itself, I was rather tense and aware that it might seem quite long, but after it was over, there was a sense that it could easily have been enjoyed for longer, and the radio broadcast is very easy to appreciate. The translation of the text (there was so much!) was put on big screens, but I am not sure that really helped - that ancient Sanskrit has a different flavour all together. Of course that was interesting in itself, but overall, the music was the embodiment (as it were) of the text, so the specific words weren't necessarily needed. It was a flood, and it was beautiful. Another performance is being planned for Singapore next year. Best, Dominik Wujastyk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buescherhartmut at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 08:52:38 2014 From: buescherhartmut at gmail.com (Hartmut Buescher) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 10:52:38 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Tavener's_Flood_of_Beauty_(Saundaryalahar=C4=AB)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dominik, thank you, indeed, for providing a link to the premiere performance of the last major work by the late Sir John Tavener: a modern classical setting of ??a?kara's Saundaryalahar??. Very interesting! However, given this is a scholarly list, it may perhaps be necessary to be slightly more careful with reproducing ideologically biased ascriptions of authorship. As well-known, the name of the Advaita philosopher ??a?kara? has unfortunately served as a hook for innumerable such ascriptions to hang on. Needless to particularly emphasize, there is a long historical gap between the times of the Advaita author and the origin of the ?r?Vidy? tradition to which the Saundaryalahar? pertains. Best wishes, Hartmut Buescher 2014-10-01 8:38 GMT+02:00 Dominik Wujastyk : > Dear colleagues, > > The last major work by the late Sir John Tavener > , the British composer, was a > modern classical setting of ?a?kara's *Saundaryalahar?.* It received its > premiere on Sunday last, at the Barbican in London > . Sir John > worked with W. Norman Brown's text and translation (Harvard, 1958). > > It was broadcast live on radio, and can be heard on BBC Radio 3's website > for a few more days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04jj824. > (Listeners outside the UK may need a VPN connection to a computer inside > the UK.) > > One listener who attended the premiere, said, > > It was indeed an amazing flood, a wash of sound and texture, and indeed > text. In the hall itself, I was rather tense and aware that it might seem > quite long, but after it was over, there was a sense that it could easily > have been enjoyed for longer, and the radio broadcast is very easy to > appreciate. > > The translation of the text (there was so much!) was put on big screens, > but I am not sure that really helped - that ancient Sanskrit has a > different flavour all together. Of course that was interesting in itself, > but overall, the music was the embodiment (as it were) of the text, so the > specific words weren't necessarily needed. > > It was a flood, and it was beautiful. > > Another performance is being planned for Singapore next year. > > Best, > Dominik Wujastyk > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now there are the critical studies by Paul Hacker, Hajime Nakamura etc. which have tried to distinguish between the different authorships and to determine which works can be ascribed to the "original" early Advaitin philosopher called ?a?kara. Nevertheless, would it be really useful or necessary to say something like "pseudo-?a?kara'" for the author(s) of the ?a?karian Hyms? Or to talk here about "ideologically biased ascriptions". I would rather consider that these ascriptions where firstly made, in the course of time, by the different ?a?karian traditions themselves, and in this way are highly significant. Best wishes Christophe Vielle Le 1 oct. 2014 ? 10:52, Hartmut Buescher a ?crit : > Dear Dominik, > > thank you, indeed, for providing a link to the premiere performance of the last major work > by the late Sir John Tavener: a modern classical setting of ??a?kara's Saundaryalahar??. > Very interesting! > > However, given this is a scholarly list, it may perhaps be necessary to be slightly more > careful with reproducing ideologically biased ascriptions of authorship. > As well-known, the name of the Advaita philosopher ??a?kara? has unfortunately > served as a hook for innumerable such ascriptions to hang on. > > Needless to particularly emphasize, there is a long historical gap between > the times of the Advaita author and the origin of the ?r?Vidy? tradition to which > the Saundaryalahar? pertains. > > Best wishes, > > Hartmut Buescher > > 2014-10-01 8:38 GMT+02:00 Dominik Wujastyk : > Dear colleagues, > > The last major work by the late Sir John Tavener, the British composer, was a modern classical setting of ?a?kara's Saundaryalahar?. It received its premiere on Sunday last, at the Barbican in London. Sir John worked with W. Norman Brown's text and translation (Harvard, 1958). > > It was broadcast live on radio, and can be heard on BBC Radio 3's website for a few more days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04jj824. (Listeners outside the UK may need a VPN connection to a computer inside the UK.) > > One listener who attended the premiere, said, > > It was indeed an amazing flood, a wash of sound and texture, and indeed text. In the hall itself, I was rather tense and aware that it might seem quite long, but after it was over, there was a sense that it could easily have been enjoyed for longer, and the radio broadcast is very easy to appreciate. > > The translation of the text (there was so much!) was put on big screens, but I am not sure that really helped - that ancient Sanskrit has a different flavour all together. Of course that was interesting in itself, but overall, the music was the embodiment (as it were) of the text, so the specific words weren't necessarily needed. > > It was a flood, and it was beautiful. > > Another performance is being planned for Singapore next year. > > Best, > Dominik Wujastyk > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vjroebuck at btinternet.com Wed Oct 1 11:47:02 2014 From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 12:47:02 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Tavener's_Flood_of_Beauty_(Saundaryalahar=C4=AB)?= In-Reply-To: <835D89D3-D907-4CCD-910C-3E2F1AEA42A9@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: <2BDC21FB-735F-47EB-8AAF-AA179A20BA6B@btinternet.com> Sir John rang me up for advice on the Sanskrit for this. (Perhaps I should listen via the link before I get too smug?) Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:37, Christophe Vielle wrote: > It was simply said "?a?kara's Saundaryalahar?", not "Saundaryalahar? by the the author of the Brahmas?trabh?s?ya". > The fact is that the Saundaryalahar? is ascribed to (one) ?a?kara by the mediaeval scholarly indigenous tradition, which considers that it is the same ?a?kara as the one who composed the Brahmas?trabh?s?ya. See e.g. the Vani Vilas Press edition (under the direction of the Sringeri Matha) of the "complete works" of ?a?kara https://archive.org/details/CompleteWorksOfSriSankaracharyaIn20Volumes1910Edition > which includes also for example the "Tantric" Prapa?cas?ra (vol. 19) once edited by A. Avalon. > Now there are the critical studies by Paul Hacker, Hajime Nakamura etc. which have tried to distinguish between the different authorships and to determine which works can be ascribed to the "original" early Advaitin philosopher called ?a?kara. > Nevertheless, would it be really useful or necessary to say something like "pseudo-?a?kara'" for the author(s) of the ?a?karian Hyms? Or to talk here about "ideologically biased ascriptions". I would rather consider that these ascriptions where firstly made, in the course of time, by the different ?a?karian traditions themselves, and in this way are highly significant. > Best wishes > Christophe Vielle > > Le 1 oct. 2014 ? 10:52, Hartmut Buescher a ?crit : > >> Dear Dominik, >> >> thank you, indeed, for providing a link to the premiere performance of the last major work >> by the late Sir John Tavener: a modern classical setting of ??a?kara's Saundaryalahar??. >> Very interesting! >> >> However, given this is a scholarly list, it may perhaps be necessary to be slightly more >> careful with reproducing ideologically biased ascriptions of authorship. >> As well-known, the name of the Advaita philosopher ??a?kara? has unfortunately >> served as a hook for innumerable such ascriptions to hang on. >> >> Needless to particularly emphasize, there is a long historical gap between >> the times of the Advaita author and the origin of the ?r?Vidy? tradition to which >> the Saundaryalahar? pertains. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Hartmut Buescher >> >> 2014-10-01 8:38 GMT+02:00 Dominik Wujastyk : >> Dear colleagues, >> >> The last major work by the late Sir John Tavener, the British composer, was a modern classical setting of ?a?kara's Saundaryalahar?. It received its premiere on Sunday last, at the Barbican in London. Sir John worked with W. Norman Brown's text and translation (Harvard, 1958). >> >> It was broadcast live on radio, and can be heard on BBC Radio 3's website for a few more days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04jj824. (Listeners outside the UK may need a VPN connection to a computer inside the UK.) >> >> One listener who attended the premiere, said, >> >> It was indeed an amazing flood, a wash of sound and texture, and indeed text. In the hall itself, I was rather tense and aware that it might seem quite long, but after it was over, there was a sense that it could easily have been enjoyed for longer, and the radio broadcast is very easy to appreciate. >> >> The translation of the text (there was so much!) was put on big screens, but I am not sure that really helped - that ancient Sanskrit has a different flavour all together. Of course that was interesting in itself, but overall, the music was the embodiment (as it were) of the text, so the specific words weren't necessarily needed. >> >> It was a flood, and it was beautiful. >> >> Another performance is being planned for Singapore next year. >> >> Best, >> Dominik Wujastyk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de Wed Oct 1 15:45:38 2014 From: michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Michaels, Axel) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 17:45:38 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list Message-ID: Dear Vanessa, here is a short list of some additional reading (only titles in English, somewhat outdated but I do not have time to update it). I'll send you offline a more extended list. Hope this helps. I mark those with an asterisks which I find especially useful for your purpose: Best, Axel Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels | Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context" | Director Dept. of Classical Indology, South Asia Institute | Director Research Unit "Historical Documents of Nepal" of the Heidelberg Academy of Sciences and Humanities |Contact |Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut | Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg |Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 | sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) | Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) | michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail) | Websites | http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/de/startseite.html | http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.php | http://www.haw.uni-heidelberg.de/forschung/forschungsstellen/nepal/projekt.de.html History: Burghart, Richard (1987), "Gifts to the gods: power, prosperity and ceremonial in Nepal", in: D. Cannadine and S. Price (eds.), Rituals of Royalty - Power and Ceremonial in Traditional Societies, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 237-270. Kumar, Satish (1967), Rana Polity in Nepal - Origin and Growth. London: Asia Publishing House. Regmi, Mahesh Chandra (1976), Landownership in Nepal. Berkeley, Los Angeles, London: University of California Press. Stiller, Ludwig F. (1976), The Silent Cry - The People of Nepal 1816-1839. Kathmandu: Sahoyogi Press. --- 1989. Prithivinarayan Shah in the Light of Dibya Upadesh. Kathmandu: Himalayan Book Centre (reprint, 1st ed. Ranchi 1968). Whelpton, John. 1983. Jang Bahadur in Europe. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Press. * ---. 1992. Kings, Soldiers and Priests: Nepalese Politics and the Rise of Jang Bahadur Rana, 1830-1857. Kathmandu: Ratna Pustak Bhandar. Society and Law Bennett, Lynn (1983), Dangerous Wives and Sacred Sisters - Social and Symbolic Roles of High-Caste Women in Nepal. New York: Columbia University Press. *H?fer, Andras. 1979. The Caste Hierarchy and the State in Nepal - A Study of the Muluki Ain of 1854. Innsbruck: Universit?tsverlag Wagner (Khumbu Himal, 13/2). Michaels, Axel. 1993 "Widow burning in Nepal", in: Gerard Toffin (ed.), Nepal, Past and Present. Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990. Paris: CNRS Editions, pp. 21-34. ---. 1994a. "The Legislation of Widow Burning in 19th-Century Nepal. Edition and Trans?lation of the Chapter Satij?nyako of the Muluk? Ain", Asiatische Stu?dien XLVIII.4: 1213-1240. ---. 1997a. "The King and the Cow. On a Crucial Symbol of Hinduization", in: David Gellner, Joanna Pfaff-Czarnecka and John Whelpton (eds.), Nationalism and Ethnicity in a Hindu Kingdom: The Politics of Culture in Con?temporary Nepal. Amsterdam: Har?wood Academic Publishers, 79-100. ---. The Price of Purity: The Religious Judge in 19th Century Nepal. Containing the Edition and Translation of the Chapters on the Dharm?dhik?rin in Two (Muluk?) Ains. Torino: CESMEO, 2005 [erschienen/published 2006] (Comitato ?Corpus Juris Sancriticum et fontes iuris Asiae Meridianae et Centralis?; vol. 6) Art Gutschow, Niels, The Nepalese Caitya - 1500 Years of Buddhist Votive Architecture in the Kathmandu Valley. With Drawings by Bijay Basukala and an Introductory Essay on Newar Buddhism by David Gellner, Stuttgart 1997. ---. Architecture of Nepal, 3 vols. 2012. -- and Bernhard K?lver, Bhaktapur - Ordered Space, Concepts and Functions in a Town of Nepal. Wiesbaden: Steiner, 1975. *Michael Hutt: Nepal. A Guide to the Art and Architecture of the Kathmandu Valley, Gartmore 1994. *Slusser, Mary Shepherd (1982), Nepal Mandala - A Cultural Study of the Kathmandu Valley. 2 Vols., Princeton: Princeton University Press. Religion Anderson, Mary M. (1971), The Festivals of Nepal. London: Allen & Unwin. *Gellner, David: Monk, Householder, and Tantrik Priest. Newar Buddhism and its Hierarchy of Ritual. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1992. *Levy, Robert. (1990), Mesocosm - Hinduism and the Organization of a Traditional Newar City in Nepal. Berkeley: Univ. of California Press. Locke, John K. (1980), Karunamaya - The Cult of Avalokite?vara- Matsyendran?th in the Valley of Nepal. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Prakashan. Michaels, Axel. ?iva in Trouble ? Festivals and Rituals at the Pa?upatin?tha Temple of Deopatan (Nepal). Oxford, New York: Oxford University Press, 2008. ---- (2005). (with Niels Gutschow) Handling Death. The Dynamics of Death and Ancestor Rituals Among the Newars of Bhaktapur, Nepal. With Contributions by Johanna Buss and Nutan Sharma and a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 3). ---. 2008. (with Niels Gutschow) Growing Up ? Hindu and Buddhist Initiation Rituals among Newar Children in Bhaktapur, Nepal. With a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 6). ---. (2012) (with Niels Gutschow) Getting Married ? Hindu and Buddhist Marriage Rituals among Newars of Bhaktapur and Patan, Nepal. With a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 12). Conference volumes: Chr. von F?rer-Haimendorf (Ed.), The Anthropology of Nepal. Warminster: Aris & Philips, 1974 Hitchcock, John T., and Rex L. Jone (eds.): Spirit Possession in the Nepal Himalayas. Warminster (Engl.): Aris and Phillips, 1976. Allen, Michael, and S.N. Mukherjee (eds.), Women in India and Nepal. Canberra: ANU, 1982. K?lver, Bernhard (ed.). 1986. Formen kulturellen Wandels und andere Beitr?ge zur Erforschung des Him?laya. Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag. --- (ed.) 1992. Aspects of Nepalese Traditions. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. Gutschow, Niels; Michaels, Axel (eds.). 1987. Heritage of the Kathmandu Valley: Proceedings of an International Conference in L?beck, 1987. Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag K?lver, Bernhard (Ed.) (1992), "Seminar on German Research on Nepal" in Kathmandu, March 12-15, 1990.Kathmandu: Nepal research Centree. Brauen, Martin; Ramble, Charles (eds.). 1993. Anthropology of Tibet and the Himalaya. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich Toffin, Gerard (ed). 1993. Nepal, Past and Present: Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990. Paris: CNRS Editions, 21-34. Blondeau, Anne-Marie; Steinkellner, Ernst (eds.). 1996. Reflections of the Mountain. Essays on the History and Social Meaning of the Mountain Cult in Tibet and the Himalaya. Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. Michaels, Axel, Cornelia Vogelsanger, Annette Wilke (eds.), Wild Godesses in India and Nepal, Berne 1996. Lienhard, Siegfried (ed.). 1996. Change and Continuity: Studies in the Nepalese Culture of the Kathmandu Valley. Turin: Edizioni Dell'orso (CESMEO). Bickel, Balthasar; Gaenszle, Martin (eds.). 1999. Cultural Horizons and Practices in Himalayan Space. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich. Gutschow, Niels, Axel Michaels, Charles Ramble, Ernst Steinkellner (Hrsg.),Sacred Landscape of the Himalaya. Wien: ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, 2003. From: Vanessa Sasson > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:44 PM To: "indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list Dear colleagues, This coming January, I will be making the adventurous move of bringing 15 students to Nepal. I have not been in 20 years, so there is a lot of catching up to do! The students will each be bringing at least one book about Nepal with them (aside from the research they will be doing before we leave), and the books will serve as a kind of on-site library at the hotel for them. I am trying to put together a good reading list for them to choose from - anything from history of Nepal, to the environment, and of course religion, art and culture. I have already included a few of David Gellner's books, Todd Lewis' Popular Buddhism, and Whelpton's History of Nepal. If any of you have recommendations to add, I would be most grateful. I am happy to circulate the results of this reading list after I am done putting it together. Of course, if you have great articles to include, I will happily to include those as well. Best wishes, Vanessa R. Sasson Religious Studies Marianopolis College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu Wed Oct 1 16:48:44 2014 From: Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu (Michael Slouber) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 16:48:44 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6BDE589E-6EF8-4BB6-A77D-657961551052@wwu.edu> Dear Vanessa, I also recommend the work of Alexander von Rospatt on Swayambhu. A useful article as background for a visit there is his ?The Sacred Origins of the Svayambhucaitya and the Nepal Valley? available at the following website: . This site also has some of his publications on Newar life cycle rituals available for download. If you make it out to Sankhu, Bal Gopal Shrestha?s recent book is excellent and covers just about anything you would want to know about the town and its religion and culture. It is called *The sacred town of Sankhu : the anthropology of Newar ritual, religion and society in Nepal.* Jessica Birkenholtz?s work on Svasth?n? is also excellent. One article is: "Seeking Svasth?n?: The Politics of Gender, Location, Iconography, and Identity in Hindu Nepal? in the Journal of Hindu Studies. All the best, Michael ?? Michael Slouber Assistant Professor of South Asia Department of Liberal Studies Western Washington University On Oct 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Michaels, Axel > wrote: Dear Vanessa, here is a short list of some additional reading (only titles in English, somewhat outdated but I do not have time to update it). I'll send you offline a more extended list. Hope this helps. I mark those with an asterisks which I find especially useful for your purpose: Best, Axel Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels | Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context" | Director Dept. of Classical Indology, South Asia Institute | Director Research Unit "Historical Documents of Nepal" of the Heidelberg Academy of Sciences and Humanities |Contact |Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut | Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg |Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 | sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) | Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) | michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail) | Websites | http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/de/startseite.html | http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.php | http://www.haw.uni-heidelberg.de/forschung/forschungsstellen/nepal/projekt.de.html History: Burghart, Richard (1987), "Gifts to the gods: power, prosperity and ceremonial in Nepal", in: D. Cannadine and S. Price (eds.), Rituals of Royalty - Power and Ceremonial in Traditional Societies, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 237-270. Kumar, Satish (1967), Rana Polity in Nepal - Origin and Growth. London: Asia Publishing House. Regmi, Mahesh Chandra (1976), Landownership in Nepal. Berkeley, Los Angeles, London: University of California Press. Stiller, Ludwig F. (1976), The Silent Cry - The People of Nepal 1816-1839. Kathmandu: Sahoyogi Press. --- 1989. Prithivinarayan Shah in the Light of Dibya Upadesh. Kathmandu: Himalayan Book Centre (reprint, 1st ed. Ranchi 1968). Whelpton, John. 1983. Jang Bahadur in Europe. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Press. * ---. 1992. Kings, Soldiers and Priests: Nepalese Politics and the Rise of Jang Bahadur Rana, 1830-1857. Kathmandu: Ratna Pustak Bhandar. Society and Law Bennett, Lynn (1983), Dangerous Wives and Sacred Sisters - Social and Symbolic Roles of High-Caste Women in Nepal. New York: Columbia University Press. *H?fer, Andras. 1979. The Caste Hierarchy and the State in Nepal - A Study of the Muluki Ain of 1854. Innsbruck: Universit?tsverlag Wagner (Khumbu Himal, 13/2). Michaels, Axel. 1993 "Widow burning in Nepal", in: Gerard Toffin (ed.), Nepal, Past and Present. Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990. Paris: CNRS Editions, pp. 21-34. ---. 1994a. "The Legislation of Widow Burning in 19th-Century Nepal. Edition and Trans?lation of the Chapter Satij?nyako of the Muluk? Ain", Asiatische Stu?dien XLVIII.4: 1213-1240. ---. 1997a. "The King and the Cow. On a Crucial Symbol of Hinduization", in: David Gellner, Joanna Pfaff-Czarnecka and John Whelpton (eds.), Nationalism and Ethnicity in a Hindu Kingdom: The Politics of Culture in Con?temporary Nepal. Amsterdam: Har?wood Academic Publishers, 79-100. ---. The Price of Purity: The Religious Judge in 19th Century Nepal. Containing the Edition and Translation of the Chapters on the Dharm?dhik?rin in Two (Muluk?) Ains. Torino: CESMEO, 2005 [erschienen/published 2006] (Comitato ?Corpus Juris Sancriticum et fontes iuris Asiae Meridianae et Centralis?; vol. 6) Art Gutschow, Niels, The Nepalese Caitya - 1500 Years of Buddhist Votive Architecture in the Kathmandu Valley. With Drawings by Bijay Basukala and an Introductory Essay on Newar Buddhism by David Gellner, Stuttgart 1997. ---. Architecture of Nepal, 3 vols. 2012. -- and Bernhard K?lver, Bhaktapur - Ordered Space, Concepts and Functions in a Town of Nepal. Wiesbaden: Steiner, 1975. *Michael Hutt: Nepal. A Guide to the Art and Architecture of the Kathmandu Valley, Gartmore 1994. *Slusser, Mary Shepherd (1982), Nepal Mandala - A Cultural Study of the Kathmandu Valley. 2 Vols., Princeton: Princeton University Press. Religion Anderson, Mary M. (1971), The Festivals of Nepal. London: Allen & Unwin. *Gellner, David: Monk, Householder, and Tantrik Priest. Newar Buddhism and its Hierarchy of Ritual. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1992. *Levy, Robert. (1990), Mesocosm - Hinduism and the Organization of a Traditional Newar City in Nepal. Berkeley: Univ. of California Press. Locke, John K. (1980), Karunamaya - The Cult of Avalokite?vara- Matsyendran?th in the Valley of Nepal. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Prakashan. Michaels, Axel. ?iva in Trouble ? Festivals and Rituals at the Pa?upatin?tha Temple of Deopatan (Nepal). Oxford, New York: Oxford University Press, 2008. ---- (2005). (with Niels Gutschow) Handling Death. The Dynamics of Death and Ancestor Rituals Among the Newars of Bhaktapur, Nepal. With Contributions by Johanna Buss and Nutan Sharma and a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 3). ---. 2008. (with Niels Gutschow) Growing Up ? Hindu and Buddhist Initiation Rituals among Newar Children in Bhaktapur, Nepal. With a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 6). ---. (2012) (with Niels Gutschow) Getting Married ? Hindu and Buddhist Marriage Rituals among Newars of Bhaktapur and Patan, Nepal. With a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 12). Conference volumes: Chr. von F?rer-Haimendorf (Ed.), The Anthropology of Nepal. Warminster: Aris & Philips, 1974 Hitchcock, John T., and Rex L. Jone (eds.): Spirit Possession in the Nepal Himalayas. Warminster (Engl.): Aris and Phillips, 1976. Allen, Michael, and S.N. Mukherjee (eds.), Women in India and Nepal. Canberra: ANU, 1982. K?lver, Bernhard (ed.). 1986. Formen kulturellen Wandels und andere Beitr?ge zur Erforschung des Him?laya. Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag. --- (ed.) 1992. Aspects of Nepalese Traditions. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. Gutschow, Niels; Michaels, Axel (eds.). 1987. Heritage of the Kathmandu Valley: Proceedings of an International Conference in L?beck, 1987. Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag K?lver, Bernhard (Ed.) (1992), "Seminar on German Research on Nepal" in Kathmandu, March 12-15, 1990.Kathmandu: Nepal research Centree. Brauen, Martin; Ramble, Charles (eds.). 1993. Anthropology of Tibet and the Himalaya. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich Toffin, Gerard (ed). 1993. Nepal, Past and Present: Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990. Paris: CNRS Editions, 21-34. Blondeau, Anne-Marie; Steinkellner, Ernst (eds.). 1996. Reflections of the Mountain. Essays on the History and Social Meaning of the Mountain Cult in Tibet and the Himalaya. Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. Michaels, Axel, Cornelia Vogelsanger, Annette Wilke (eds.), Wild Godesses in India and Nepal, Berne 1996. Lienhard, Siegfried (ed.). 1996. Change and Continuity: Studies in the Nepalese Culture of the Kathmandu Valley. Turin: Edizioni Dell'orso (CESMEO). Bickel, Balthasar; Gaenszle, Martin (eds.). 1999. Cultural Horizons and Practices in Himalayan Space. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich. Gutschow, Niels, Axel Michaels, Charles Ramble, Ernst Steinkellner (Hrsg.),Sacred Landscape of the Himalaya. Wien: ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, 2003. From: Vanessa Sasson > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:44 PM To: "indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list Dear colleagues, This coming January, I will be making the adventurous move of bringing 15 students to Nepal. I have not been in 20 years, so there is a lot of catching up to do! The students will each be bringing at least one book about Nepal with them (aside from the research they will be doing before we leave), and the books will serve as a kind of on-site library at the hotel for them. I am trying to put together a good reading list for them to choose from - anything from history of Nepal, to the environment, and of course religion, art and culture. I have already included a few of David Gellner's books, Todd Lewis' Popular Buddhism, and Whelpton's History of Nepal. If any of you have recommendations to add, I would be most grateful. I am happy to circulate the results of this reading list after I am done putting it together. Of course, if you have great articles to include, I will happily to include those as well. Best wishes, Vanessa R. Sasson Religious Studies Marianopolis College _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caf57 at cam.ac.uk Wed Oct 1 17:17:54 2014 From: caf57 at cam.ac.uk (C.A. Formigatti) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 18:17:54 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lore Sander's e-mail address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <95bbcdd24345040f001508ba162e05bc@cam.ac.uk> Dear members of the list, I would like to contact Dr Lore Sander, but I wasn't able to find any contact address online. I was wondering if any of you could help me in this matter and send me a reply off-list. Thanks for your help! Camillo A. Formigatti Sanskrit Manuscripts Project Faculty of Asian & Middle Eastern Studies University of Cambridge Sidgwick Avenue Cambridge CB3 9DA United Kingdom From karp at uw.edu.pl Wed Oct 1 17:33:43 2014 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 19:33:43 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Hultzsch's_"Inscriptions_of_A=C5=9Boka"_on_archive.org?= Message-ID: Dear List, In connection with my work on A?oka?s Edicts I ordered several years ago a professional scan of Eugen Hultzsch?s monumental ?Inscriptions of A?oka? [1925]. Thanks to Dominik Wujastyk the ?Inscriptions? are now made available to Indological and Buddhological community - the scan has been placed by him on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/InscriptionsOfAsoka.NewEditionByE.Hultzsch and is also linked to the OpenLibrary: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6683747M/Inscriptions_of_Asoka The *.pdf of the ?Inscriptions? is fully searchable. My thanks to Dr. Wujastyk, once again, and with Best Wishes, Artur Karp Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit and Pali (ret.) South Asian Studies Deptt Oriental Faculty University of Warsaw Poland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.darumadera at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 17:59:32 2014 From: john.darumadera at gmail.com (John Huntington) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 13:59:32 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Hultzsch's_"Inscriptions_of_A=C5=9Boka"_on_archive.org?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Artur and Dominik, My most profound gratitude for this valuable resource being made available. John John C. Huntington, Professor Emeritus Buddhist Art, Asian Numismatics, Field and Object Art Photography john.darumadera at gmail.com On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Artur Karp wrote: > Dear List, > > > In connection with my work on A?oka?s Edicts I ordered several years ago a > professional scan of Eugen Hultzsch?s monumental ?Inscriptions of A?oka? > [1925]. Thanks to Dominik Wujastyk the ?Inscriptions? are now made > available to Indological and Buddhological community - the scan has been > placed by him on archive.org: > > > https://archive.org/details/InscriptionsOfAsoka.NewEditionByE.Hultzsch > > > and is also linked to the OpenLibrary: > > > https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6683747M/Inscriptions_of_Asoka > > > The *.pdf of the ?Inscriptions? is fully searchable. > > > My thanks to Dr. Wujastyk, once again, and > > > with Best Wishes, > > > Artur Karp > > > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit and Pali (ret.) > > South Asian Studies Deptt > > Oriental Faculty > > University of Warsaw > > Poland > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LubinT at wlu.edu Wed Oct 1 18:26:58 2014 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 18:26:58 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Vanessa, I am co-leading a four-week student class in Nepal this coming May. The syllabus is not finalized yet, and it is interdisciplinary (I am doing it with an economist), but it will be presentable (if not quite finalized) shortly. We are having them read from Levy, H?fer, Bennett, Gellner, and Michaels for the readings on social patterns, religion, and pre-20th-c. law. Our course also gets into questions related to development (my colleague handles this) and laws and the current constitution-drafting. On the latter, see the work of Mara Malagodi: https://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff61759.php Best, Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 ? From: , "Michaels, Axel" > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:45 AM To: Vanessa Sasson >, "indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list Dear Vanessa, here is a short list of some additional reading (only titles in English, somewhat outdated but I do not have time to update it). I'll send you offline a more extended list. Hope this helps. I mark those with an asterisks which I find especially useful for your purpose: Best, Axel Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels| Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context" | Director Dept. of Classical Indology, South Asia Institute | Director Research Unit "Historical Documents of Nepal" of the Heidelberg Academy of Sciences and Humanities |Contact |Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut| Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg |Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 | sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) | Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) | michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail) | Websites | http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/de/startseite.html | http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.php | http://www.haw.uni-heidelberg.de/forschung/forschungsstellen/nepal/projekt.de.html History: Burghart, Richard (1987), "Gifts to the gods: power, prosperity and ceremonial in Nepal", in: D. Cannadine and S. Price (eds.), Rituals of Royalty - Power and Ceremonial in Traditional Societies, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 237-270. Kumar, Satish (1967), Rana Polity in Nepal - Origin and Growth. London: Asia Publishing House. Regmi, Mahesh Chandra (1976), Landownership in Nepal. Berkeley, Los Angeles, London: University of California Press. Stiller, Ludwig F. (1976), The Silent Cry - The People of Nepal 1816-1839. Kathmandu: Sahoyogi Press. --- 1989. Prithivinarayan Shah in the Light of Dibya Upadesh. Kathmandu: Himalayan Book Centre (reprint, 1st ed. Ranchi 1968). Whelpton, John. 1983. Jang Bahadur in Europe. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Press. * ---. 1992. Kings, Soldiers and Priests: Nepalese Politics and the Rise of Jang Bahadur Rana, 1830-1857. Kathmandu: Ratna Pustak Bhandar. Society and Law Bennett, Lynn (1983), Dangerous Wives and Sacred Sisters - Social and Symbolic Roles of High-Caste Women in Nepal. New York: Columbia University Press. *H?fer, Andras. 1979. The Caste Hierarchy and the State in Nepal - A Study of the Muluki Ain of 1854. Innsbruck: Universit?tsverlag Wagner (Khumbu Himal, 13/2). Michaels, Axel. 1993 "Widow burning in Nepal", in: Gerard Toffin (ed.), Nepal, Past and Present. Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990. Paris: CNRS Editions, pp. 21-34. ---. 1994a. "The Legislation of Widow Burning in 19th-Century Nepal. Edition and Trans?lation of the Chapter Satij?nyako of the Muluk? Ain", Asiatische Stu?dien XLVIII.4: 1213-1240. ---. 1997a. "The King and the Cow. On a Crucial Symbol of Hinduization", in: David Gellner, Joanna Pfaff-Czarnecka and John Whelpton (eds.), Nationalism and Ethnicity in a Hindu Kingdom: The Politics of Culture in Con?temporary Nepal. Amsterdam: Har?wood Academic Publishers, 79-100. ---. The Price of Purity: The Religious Judge in 19th Century Nepal. Containing the Edition and Translation of the Chapters on the Dharm?dhik?rin in Two (Muluk?) Ains. Torino: CESMEO, 2005 [erschienen/published 2006] (Comitato ?Corpus Juris Sancriticum et fontes iuris Asiae Meridianae et Centralis?; vol. 6) Art Gutschow, Niels, The Nepalese Caitya - 1500 Years of Buddhist Votive Architecture in the Kathmandu Valley. With Drawings by Bijay Basukala and an Introductory Essay on Newar Buddhism by David Gellner, Stuttgart 1997. ---. Architecture of Nepal, 3 vols. 2012. -- and Bernhard K?lver, Bhaktapur - Ordered Space, Concepts and Functions in a Town of Nepal. Wiesbaden: Steiner, 1975. *Michael Hutt: Nepal. A Guide to the Art and Architecture of the Kathmandu Valley, Gartmore 1994. *Slusser, Mary Shepherd (1982), Nepal Mandala - A Cultural Study of the Kathmandu Valley. 2 Vols., Princeton: Princeton University Press. Religion Anderson, Mary M. (1971), The Festivals of Nepal. London: Allen & Unwin. *Gellner, David: Monk, Householder, and Tantrik Priest. Newar Buddhism and its Hierarchy of Ritual. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1992. *Levy, Robert. (1990), Mesocosm - Hinduism and the Organization of a Traditional Newar City in Nepal. Berkeley: Univ. of California Press. Locke, John K. (1980), Karunamaya - The Cult of Avalokite?vara- Matsyendran?th in the Valley of Nepal. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Prakashan. Michaels, Axel. ?iva in Trouble ? Festivals and Rituals at the Pa?upatin?tha Temple of Deopatan (Nepal). Oxford, New York: Oxford University Press, 2008. ---- (2005). (with Niels Gutschow) Handling Death. The Dynamics of Death and Ancestor Rituals Among the Newars of Bhaktapur, Nepal. With Contributions by Johanna Buss and Nutan Sharma and a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 3). ---. 2008. (with Niels Gutschow) Growing Up ? Hindu and Buddhist Initiation Rituals among Newar Children in Bhaktapur, Nepal. With a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 6). ---. (2012) (with Niels Gutschow) Getting Married ? Hindu and Buddhist Marriage Rituals among Newars of Bhaktapur and Patan, Nepal. With a Film on DVD by Christian Bau. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 12). Conference volumes: Chr. von F?rer-Haimendorf (Ed.), The Anthropology of Nepal. Warminster: Aris & Philips, 1974 Hitchcock, John T., and Rex L. Jone (eds.): Spirit Possession in the Nepal Himalayas. Warminster (Engl.): Aris and Phillips, 1976. Allen, Michael, and S.N. Mukherjee (eds.), Women in India and Nepal. Canberra: ANU, 1982. K?lver, Bernhard (ed.). 1986. Formen kulturellen Wandels und andere Beitr?ge zur Erforschung desHim?laya. Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag. --- (ed.) 1992. Aspects of Nepalese Traditions. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. Gutschow, Niels; Michaels, Axel (eds.). 1987. Heritage of the Kathmandu Valley: Proceedings of an International Conference in L?beck, 1987. Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag K?lver, Bernhard (Ed.) (1992), "Seminar on German Research on Nepal" in Kathmandu, March 12-15, 1990.Kathmandu: Nepal research Centree. Brauen, Martin; Ramble, Charles (eds.). 1993. Anthropology of Tibet and the Himalaya. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich Toffin, Gerard (ed). 1993. Nepal, Past and Present: Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990. Paris: CNRS Editions, 21-34. Blondeau, Anne-Marie; Steinkellner, Ernst (eds.). 1996. Reflections of the Mountain. Essays on the History and Social Meaning of the Mountain Cult in Tibet and the Himalaya.Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. Michaels, Axel, Cornelia Vogelsanger, Annette Wilke (eds.), Wild Godesses in India and Nepal, Berne 1996. Lienhard, Siegfried (ed.). 1996. Change and Continuity: Studies in the Nepalese Culture of the Kathmandu Valley. Turin: Edizioni Dell'orso (CESMEO). Bickel, Balthasar; Gaenszle, Martin (eds.). 1999. Cultural Horizons and Practices in Himalayan Space. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich. Gutschow, Niels, Axel Michaels, Charles Ramble, Ernst Steinkellner (Hrsg.),Sacred Landscape of the Himalaya. Wien: ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, 2003. From: Vanessa Sasson > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:44 PM To: "indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list Dear colleagues, This coming January, I will be making the adventurous move of bringing 15 students to Nepal. I have not been in 20 years, so there is a lot of catching up to do! The students will each be bringing at least one book about Nepal with them (aside from the research they will be doing before we leave), and the books will serve as a kind of on-site library at the hotel for them. I am trying to put together a good reading list for them to choose from - anything from history of Nepal, to the environment, and of course religion, art and culture. I have already included a few of David Gellner's books, Todd Lewis' Popular Buddhism, and Whelpton's History of Nepal. If any of you have recommendations to add, I would be most grateful. I am happy to circulate the results of this reading list after I am done putting it together. Of course, if you have great articles to include, I will happily to include those as well. Best wishes, Vanessa R. Sasson Religious Studies Marianopolis College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buescherhartmut at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 19:19:46 2014 From: buescherhartmut at gmail.com (Hartmut Buescher) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 14 21:19:46 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Tavener's_Flood_of_Beauty_(Saundaryalahar=C4=AB)?= In-Reply-To: <835D89D3-D907-4CCD-910C-3E2F1AEA42A9@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Dear Christophe, could it be that my phrase ?ideologically biased ascriptions" was misunderstood? Being rather aware of all that you mentioned (i.e., the research [Hacker, Nakamura, etc.], the Advaita Ved?nta tradition's ?inclusivisms? [to say it with one of Hacker's notions] etc.), it should be clear that what I characterized by that phrase were exactly those traditionally performed ascriptions ? given these are still very much alive in contemporary India. How else to characterize this kind of ?living reception? of traditional history? Is it not ?ideologically biased? for you? No doubt, I would advise contextual sensitivity when being in India and addressing such things (say, in Sringeri, Kanchi or Chennai), but a minimum of explicit critical awareness should better not endorse these as a sort of generally accepted views among indologists. Well, the general fact of these ?inclusivisms? being too long already known to me in order to still consider them as ?highly? significant, you are of course perfectly right with what I assume you implied to say: that further research into their contextual circumstances and dynamisms of development would be highly appreciated. Personally, by the way, given the fundamental significance given to it, I am rather curious to learn about pertinent new research ? that is, research which not already on the title page proclaims naive assumptions of authorship ? with regard to the Vivekac???ma?i. Probably we share this interest. Best wishes, Hartmut Buescher 2014-10-01 13:37 GMT+02:00 Christophe Vielle : > It was simply said "?a?kara's *Sau**ndaryalahar?"*, not "*Sau* > *ndaryalahar? *by the the author of the Brahmas?trabh?s?ya". > The fact is that the *Saundaryalahar? *is ascribed to (one) ?a?kara by > the mediaeval scholarly indigenous tradition, which considers that it is > the same ?a?kara as the one who composed the Brahmas?trabh?s?ya. See e.g. > the Vani Vilas Press edition (under the direction of the Sringeri Matha) of > the "complete works" of ?a?kara *https://archive.org/details/CompleteWorksOfSriSankaracharyaIn20Volumes1910Edition > * > which includes also for example the "Tantric" Prapa?cas?ra (vol. 19) once > edited by A. Avalon. > Now there are the critical studies by Paul Hacker, Hajime Nakamura etc. > which have tried to distinguish between the different authorships and to > determine which works can be ascribed to the "original" early Advaitin > philosopher called ?a?kara. > Nevertheless, would it be really useful or necessary to say something like > "pseudo-?a?kara'" for the author(s) of the ?a?karian Hyms? Or to talk here > about "ideologically biased ascriptions". I would rather consider that > these ascriptions where firstly made, in the course of time, by the > different ?a?karian traditions themselves, and in this way are highly > significant. > Best wishes > Christophe Vielle > > Le 1 oct. 2014 ? 10:52, Hartmut Buescher a > ?crit : > > Dear Dominik, > > thank you, indeed, for providing a link to the premiere performance of the > last major work > by the late Sir John Tavener: a modern classical setting of ??a?kara's > Saundaryalahar??. > Very interesting! > > However, given this is a scholarly list, it may perhaps be necessary to be > slightly more > careful with reproducing ideologically biased ascriptions of authorship. > As well-known, the name of the Advaita philosopher ??a?kara? has > unfortunately > served as a hook for innumerable such ascriptions to hang on. > > Needless to particularly emphasize, there is a long historical gap between > the times of the Advaita author and the origin of the ?r?Vidy? tradition > to which > the Saundaryalahar? pertains. > > Best wishes, > > Hartmut Buescher > > 2014-10-01 8:38 GMT+02:00 Dominik Wujastyk : > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> The last major work by the late Sir John Tavener >> , the British composer, was >> a modern classical setting of ?a?kara's *Saundaryalahar?.* It received >> its premiere on Sunday last, at the Barbican in London >> . Sir John >> worked with W. Norman Brown's text and translation (Harvard, 1958). >> >> It was broadcast live on radio, and can be heard on BBC Radio 3's website >> for a few more days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04jj824. >> (Listeners outside the UK may need a VPN connection to a computer inside >> the UK.) >> >> One listener who attended the premiere, said, >> >> It was indeed an amazing flood, a wash of sound and texture, and indeed >> text. In the hall itself, I was rather tense and aware that it might seem >> quite long, but after it was over, there was a sense that it could easily >> have been enjoyed for longer, and the radio broadcast is very easy to >> appreciate. >> >> The translation of the text (there was so much!) was put on big screens, >> but I am not sure that really helped - that ancient Sanskrit has a >> different flavour all together. Of course that was interesting in itself, >> but overall, the music was the embodiment (as it were) of the text, so the >> specific words weren't necessarily needed. >> >> It was a flood, and it was beautiful. >> >> Another performance is being planned for Singapore next year. >> >> Best, >> Dominik Wujastyk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de Thu Oct 2 10:19:41 2014 From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 14 10:19:41 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #449 Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94A663C298@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Dighanikaya 2 and 3: PTS/Dhammakaya edition, annotated and plain text: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm#Digh __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 2 12:42:58 2014 From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 14 14:42:58 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Elventh international workshop on Tamil epigraphy - December 2014 Message-ID: <542D4852.7090804@wanadoo.fr> For information and circulation: *ELEVENTH INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON TAMIL EPIGRAPHY* /Tamil Epigraphy: Corpus Analysis, Database Construction and Information Retrieval / *Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India, 15-21 December 2014 * Jointly organised by: UMR -- Mondes iranien et indien, Paris; Tamil University Thanjavur, India and Pondicherry University, Pondicherry, India ***For more details, please see the attached flyer. 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We know that in the case of compounds, the gender of the final element governs the gender of the whole compound, but I could not precisely find Paninian rules related to this directly. I also tried Apte's work, Student's Guide to Sanskrit composition, which did not help me in this case unfortunately. Thank you very much in advance for any helpful lead. Best Wishes, Rohana ------------------------------------------------ Rohana Seneviratne DPhil Student in Sanskrit The Oriental Institute Faculty of Oriental Studies University of Oxford Pusey Lane, Oxford OX1 2LE United Kingdom Email: rohana.seneviratne at orinst.ox.ac.uk Web: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~pemb3753/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bremen: Hempen Verlag, 2012 Best wishes, Hans Henrich Hock On Oct 2, 2014, at 18:22, Rohana Seneviratne > wrote: Dear All, I will be very much grateful if somebody could kindly locate for me the grammar rule(s) that teach us how to use pronouns in a case like the following. In a sentence like "????? ?????????????? ?????????? ? ????????", the subjects are in masculine and neuter. If the next sentence starts with "They", i.e.referring back to the sun, moon and stars in the first sentence, which gender should the pronoun ??? be put in; ?? or ????? We know that in the case of compounds, the gender of the final element governs the gender of the whole compound, but I could not precisely find Paninian rules related to this directly. I also tried Apte's work, Student's Guide to Sanskrit composition, which did not help me in this case unfortunately. Thank you very much in advance for any helpful lead. Best Wishes, Rohana ------------------------------------------------ Rohana Seneviratne DPhil Student in Sanskrit The Oriental Institute Faculty of Oriental Studies University of Oxford Pusey Lane, Oxford OX1 2LE United Kingdom Email: rohana.seneviratne at orinst.ox.ac.uk Web: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~pemb3753/ _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to tradition the adverbial second case-ending is neuter by this dictum Best DB On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Rohana Seneviratne < rohana.seneviratne at orinst.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > Dear All, > > > I will be very much grateful if somebody could kindly locate for me the > grammar rule(s) that teach us how to use pronouns in a case like the > following. > > In a sentence like "????? ?????????????? ?????????? ? ????????", the > subjects are in masculine and neuter. If the next sentence starts with > "They", i.e. referring back to the sun, moon and stars in the first > sentence, which gender should the pronoun ??? be put in; ?? or ????? We > know that in the case of compounds, the gender of the final element governs > the gender of the whole compound, but I could not precisely find Paninian > rules related to this directly. I also tried Apte's work, Student's Guide > to Sanskrit composition, which did not help me in this case unfortunately. > > Thank you very much in advance for any helpful lead. > > > Best Wishes, > Rohana > ------------------------------------------------ > Rohana Seneviratne > DPhil Student in Sanskrit > The Oriental Institute > Faculty of Oriental Studies > University of Oxford > Pusey Lane, Oxford > OX1 2LE > United Kingdom > > Email: rohana.seneviratne at orinst.ox.ac.uk > Web: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~pemb3753/ > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caf57 at cam.ac.uk Fri Oct 3 10:16:02 2014 From: caf57 at cam.ac.uk (C.A. Formigatti) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 14 11:16:02 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lore Sander's e-mail address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0d2bd36652d8e185bdc3da72b247803f@cam.ac.uk> Dear colleagues, Many thanks to all of you who replied on and off list, I have been able to contact Dr Sander. Best wishes, Camillo Formigatti From adheesh1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 19:06:20 2014 From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (Adheesh Sathaye) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 14 12:06:20 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Position: Hindi-Urdu Language and Culture, University of British Columbia (tenure-track) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6808FBA3-3879-4FBA-9D39-9E2FC1E12C14@gmail.com> Dear Friends and Colleagues, I am pleased to share the following advertisement for a tenure-track position at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver. Please do distribute it to any interested colleagues, students, and other potential candidates. I would be happy to field any questions you might have! All best wishes, Adheesh ?? Dr. Adheesh Sathaye Department of Asian Studies University of British Columbia ??? Assistant Professor, Hindi-Urdu Language and Culture The Department of Asian Studies, University of British Columbia, invites applications for a tenure-track appointment at the rank of Assistant Professor in Hindi-Urdu Language and Culture (discipline and period open). Applicants are expected to have native or near native proficiency in both Hindi and Urdu (as well as English), and should be qualified to teach advanced (3rd- and 4th-year undergraduate) courses in both Hindi and Urdu, and in addition to lecture in their field(s) of specialization. Candidates must have a Ph.D. (or expect to have successfully defended prior to July 1, 2015). The successful candidate will be expected to demonstrate the potential for excellence in research and undergraduate and graduate teaching and be expected to maintain an active program of research, publication, teaching, graduate supervision, and service, and to be engaged in work that is methodologically innovative and can be conceptualized in ways that complement and broaden the Department?s interdisciplinary research interests and that contribute to broader disciplinary and interdisciplinary fields of knowledge. Information about the Department and faculty research can be found on its website, www.asia.ubc.ca. The starting salary for the position will be commensurate with qualifications and experience. This position is subject to final budgetary approval. The University of British Columbia hires on the basis of merit and is committed to employment equity and diversity within its community. We especially welcome applications from members of visible minority groups, women, Aboriginal persons, persons with disabilities, persons of minority sexual orientations and gender identities, and others with the skills and knowledge to engage productively with diverse communities. We encourage all qualified persons to apply; Canadian citizens and permanent residents of Canada will, however, be given priority. The application dossier should include: a letter of application, curriculum vitae, and a sample chapter or scholarly paper (maximum 30 pages). In addition, applicants should arrange to have three confidential letters of recommendation sent separately by their referees. The deadline for the receipt of applications and reference letters is November 15, 2014. The anticipated start date of employment is July 1, 2015. Send application materials to: Chair, Search Committee, Department of Asian Studies, 1871 West Mall, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada, V6T 1Z2. Applications may also be submitted electronically to asia.jobsearch at ubc.ca From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 14:30:39 2014 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 14 20:00:39 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] text memorization Message-ID: Dear Prof. James Hartzell, I recently stumbled upon this website https://avagraha.wordpress.com/ with a tagline of "Memorizing texts in a digitized world" with pages such as http://avagraha.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/memorizing-long-rules/ remembered your post. Wanted to share. Regards, Nagaraj Dear colleagues Might someone have handy some references on the practice of memorization in the Sanskrit (and Tibetan) traditions? I know memorizing texts is a basic part of, for instance, traditional medical education, jyotishastra, etc. What I am looking for are good published studies describing these practices (pdf's would be a bonus). 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Madhav Deshpande On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > http://www.thehindu.com/books/literary-review/hartmut-scharfe-german-indologist-and-passionate-admirer-of-sanskrit-grammarian-panini/article6470955.ece?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS_Syndication > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Sun Oct 5 11:05:29 2014 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 14 07:05:29 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Hindu profile of Hartmut Scharfe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531D418D-3EA1-4776-900E-EC7EB3D1695C@ivs.edu> I agree. I had the pleasure of studying Sanskrit with Professor Scharfe at UCLA. Howard Resnick On Oct 5, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Very nice indeed. > > Madhav Deshpande > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > http://www.thehindu.com/books/literary-review/hartmut-scharfe-german-indologist-and-passionate-admirer-of-sanskrit-grammarian-panini/article6470955.ece?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS_Syndication > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > -- > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics > Department of Asian Languages and Cultures > 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 > The University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauzeya at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 09:55:25 2014 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 14 11:55:25 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] does anyone have any reliable information about this? Message-ID: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-kashmir-floods-damage-2000-year-old-buddhist-treasures-2023160 -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Mon Oct 6 12:51:34 2014 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 14 14:51:34 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: does anyone have any reliable information about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Artur Karp Date: 2014-10-06 14:13 GMT+02:00 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] does anyone have any reliable information about this? To: Jonathan Silk Do not know to what extent this is reliable --- but the news are terrible: https://www.authintmail.com/2014/feature/lost-treasure-144752 Artur Karp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Silk > Leiden University > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS > Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b > 2311 BZ Leiden > The Netherlands > > copies of my publications may be found at > http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaje at kabelmail.de Mon Oct 6 13:20:44 2014 From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 14 15:20:44 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] does anyone have any reliable information about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some more details, before: http://www.risingkashmir.com/sps-museum-stands-testimony-to-official-neglect/ and after: http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2014/Sep/25/flood-fury-hits-kashmir-s-treasure-trove-43.asp Regards, WS ----------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. 2014-10-06 14:59 GMT+02:00 John Huntington : > This report does not contain specifics about the museum, but the situation > is truly a disaster > > > https://www.authintmail.com/2014/kashmir/day-death-and-destruction-kashmir-162902 > > John > > > > John C. Huntington, Professor Emeritus > Buddhist Art, Asian Numismatics, > Field and Object Art Photography > john.darumadera at gmail.com > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote: > >> >> http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-kashmir-floods-damage-2000-year-old-buddhist-treasures-2023160 >> >> -- >> J. Silk >> Leiden University >> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS >> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b >> 2311 BZ Leiden >> The Netherlands >> >> copies of my publications may be found at >> http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 20:00:03 2014 From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 14 22:00:03 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] does anyone have any reliable information about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It sounds highly unlikely to me that the "original collection" of the Gilgit manuscripts is lost for ever. Moreover, the news reports also seem to create some confusion. The major part of this collection has been lying with the National Archives of India in New Delhi since 1947 and they do not seem to have any intention of returning the collection back to the Kashmir Government. Despite its unceasing efforts to get the Mss back in Srinagar the Government of Jammu and Kashmir has been unsuccessful. Here are some more news reports about this: 1. http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2009/Jun/1/gilgit-manuscripts-theft-of-heritage-58.asp 2. http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2012/Jun/21/govt-receives-facsimile-edition-of-gilgit-manuscripts-57.asp 3. http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2014/Apr/6/sunday-special-how-kashmir-lost-1400-year-old-gilgit-manuscripts-14.asp The news of June 20, 2012 says that the National Archives in Delhi had forwarded a facsimile edition of the Mss to the State Government when the latter demanded the return of the original Mss. I suspect that this report is talking about the same edition that the National Archives had published in collaboration with Japan's Institue of Oriental Philosophy and the Soka Gokkai Institute. (See the inauguration video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0hGxWanO8) The report of April 5, 2014 says that the Valley Citizens Council had filed a case in the Jammu and Kashmir High Court demanding the collection back. The recent DNA news report (October 3, 2014) says, "Ironically, some of the parts of these documents placed at the Central Asian Studies Department of Kashmir University were returned to the Museum authorities just a week before the floods.? As far as I am aware, the collection was supposed to be a part of the Oriental Research Library of the Jammu and Kashmir Research Department. So if the collection was returned a 'week back before the floods? it should have been returned back to the Research Department and not to the S.P. Museum. The Oriental Research Library of the Kashmir Government is located in a safe, fire and water proof building in the Allama Iqbal Library of the University of Kashmir. The Centre of Central Asian Studies in Kashmir University has no separate Mss library. Kashmir University campus was not affected by the floods either. As far as the damage to the small collection of Mss and artifacts in the S.P. Museum is concerned (to which the news reports are referring), that certainly is true. It is also worth mentioning here that all the Mss of this small collection are digitalized by the IGNCA along with the collection of the Oriental Research Library of the J & K Research Department. Unless the above statement ?just a week before the floods? really means that the J & K High Court had instructed the National Archives to return the Gilgit Mss back to the State, and the National Archives did return some parts of the ?original? Gilgit Mss, then there might be some truth in the claims of the DNA news report. But this is highly unconvincing. Also, I am not sure if the concerned reporter or even the local administrative authorities are making a distinction between a facsimile and an original manuscript. Several years back when I had observed a very rare and important Ms of the ??varapratyabhij??-viv?tti-vimar?in? (almost in 800 folios) being almost completely damaged because of the lack of conservation in the National Archives of Delhi, I had repeatedly requested Dr Kapila Vatsyayan to take steps to look after the Kashmir Manuscript collection (which consists of Gilgit Mss and other 213 Mss of the J&K State Research Department) in the National Archives. On my repeated requests Dr Vatsyayan had instructed the then director of the archives Mr Lov Verma to create a separate section for this collection taking into consideration the international importance of the Gilgit Mss. I did not follow its development. Best wishes. Mrinal Kaul ************************ Mrinal Kaul Universit? degli Studi di Napoli "L'Orientale" Dipartimento Asia, Africa e Mediterraneo Piazza S. Domenico Maggiore, (Piano 5) 12-80134, Napoli (Palazzo Corigliano) ITALIA ************************* Tel: +39-3472579917 https://unior.academia.edu/MrinalKaul http://www.unior.it e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org On Oct 6, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Walter Slaje wrote: > Some more details, > before: > http://www.risingkashmir.com/sps-museum-stands-testimony-to-official-neglect/ > > and after: > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2014/Sep/25/flood-fury-hits-kashmir-s-treasure-trove-43.asp > > Regards, > WS > > > ----------------------------- > Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje > Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 > D-99425 Weimar > Deutschland > > Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor > studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum > non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, > sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus > humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. > Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. > > 2014-10-06 14:59 GMT+02:00 John Huntington : > This report does not contain specifics about the museum, but the situation is truly a disaster > > https://www.authintmail.com/2014/kashmir/day-death-and-destruction-kashmir-162902 > > John > > > > John C. Huntington, Professor Emeritus > Buddhist Art, Asian Numismatics, > Field and Object Art Photography > john.darumadera at gmail.com > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote: > http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-kashmir-floods-damage-2000-year-old-buddhist-treasures-2023160 > > -- > J. Silk > Leiden University > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS > Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b > 2311 BZ Leiden > The Netherlands > > copies of my publications may be found at > http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info From dipak.d2004 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 05:40:59 2014 From: dipak.d2004 at gmail.com (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 14 11:10:59 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] does anyone have any reliable information about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just noted the outline of the conversation. Around 2007 I was told by a supposedly knowledgeable person in Delhi that the Gilgit mss and most of the mss of the pratyabhij;naa philosophy had been copied and/or kept at the Indira Gandhi Kala Kendra. I have not yet got time/opportunity to start a planned examination. Tho there is no such rule, for resident Indians appointment in these Museums has to be secured by personal presence! . DB On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Walter Slaje wrote: > Some more details, > before: > > http://www.risingkashmir.com/sps-museum-stands-testimony-to-official-neglect/ > > and after: > > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2014/Sep/25/flood-fury-hits-kashmir-s-treasure-trove-43.asp > > Regards, > WS > > > ----------------------------- > Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje > Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 > D-99425 Weimar > Deutschland > > Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor > studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum > non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, > sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus > humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. > Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. > > 2014-10-06 14:59 GMT+02:00 John Huntington : > >> This report does not contain specifics about the museum, but the >> situation is truly a disaster >> >> >> https://www.authintmail.com/2014/kashmir/day-death-and-destruction-kashmir-162902 >> >> John >> >> >> >> John C. Huntington, Professor Emeritus >> Buddhist Art, Asian Numismatics, >> Field and Object Art Photography >> john.darumadera at gmail.com >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-kashmir-floods-damage-2000-year-old-buddhist-treasures-2023160 >>> >>> -- >>> J. 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URL: From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 08:09:57 2014 From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 14 08:09:57 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] two articles In-Reply-To: <0432F040-01D7-4C72-84B0-D994A18AEA42@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, A few months ago, I sought help to obtain the following item: P.V.B. Karunatillaka, ?The Administrative Organization of the Nalanda Mahavihara from Sigillary Evidence?, The Sri Lanka Journal of the Humanities 6.1 & 2 (1980): ???-???. This request has not yet borne fruit. Could it be that anyone who reads this now has access to said journal? I would like to add another request: Rosen, Elizabeth & Alex Wayman, ?The Rise of Mahayana Buddhism and Inscriptional Evidence at Nagarjunakonda.? Indian Journal of Buddhist Studies 2.1 (1990): ???????. For neither of these two items do I know the relevant pages numbers. I would be very grateful for pdfs. 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Karunatillaka, ?The Administrative Organization of the Nalanda Mahavihara from Sigillary Evidence?, The Sri Lanka Journal of the Humanities 6.1 & 2 (1980): ???-???. This request has not yet borne fruit. Could it be that anyone who reads this now has access to said journal? I would like to add another request: Rosen, Elizabeth & Alex Wayman, ?The Rise of Mahayana Buddhism and Inscriptional Evidence at Nagarjunakonda.? Indian Journal of Buddhist Studies 2.1 (1990): ???????. For neither of these two items do I know the relevant pages numbers. I would be very grateful for pdfs. Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths EFEO/Jakarta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Madhav Deshpande On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:37 AM, wrote: > Great news - hopefully the server and bandwidth capacity will be > sufficient to serve regular online usage by many > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > And apparently also the volumes so far published. > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Now-refer-to-ancient-Sanskrit-words-online/articleshow/44439427.cms > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, there is some ambiguity as to how many manuscripts there are in the museum. (Some say up to 248 or so, but no clear idea.) Apparently Nehru had many moved in the late 40s and early 50s. I've been following the fate of the Gilgit material because about a year ago I was able to access the wood covers to the sutra manuscripts, with the 7th - 8th century paintings on them, which seemed quite in tact. ... But since then they were moved to the museum and were apparently in the basement. So almost a sure shot for destruction. Disastrous. Trying to find out more...." So it doesn't look good at all... Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu Wed Oct 8 01:27:38 2014 From: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu (Andrew Nicholson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 14 21:27:38 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of Samkhya-sutra-vrtti? Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I was wondering if any of you had a PDF file of Richard Garbe's Sanskrit edition of the S??khya-s?tra-v?tti of Aniruddha. It was originally published in 1888 in Calcutta by the Baptist Mission Press (Bibliotheca Indica no. 122). If so, would you be willing to share this file with me? I haven't been able to find it online. It is listed in WorldCat as: The S?am?khya su?tra vr?itti; or, Aniruddha's commentary and the original parts of Veda?ntin Maha?deva's commentary to the Sa?m?khya su?tras With thanks in advance, Andrew __________________________ Andrew J. Nicholson Associate Professor SUNY Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343 (631) 632-4030 http://philosophicalrasika.com/ From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 01:35:50 2014 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 14 07:05:50 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Job opening as Assistant Professor of E. Asian Religions/Buddhism Message-ID: FYI *From:* Nathan Katz [mailto:katzn18 at gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:42 PM *To:* Nathan Katz *Subject:* Fwd: Please share this Please help our dear colleagues at Colgate University find the right person for this opening. Nathan Katz Distinguished Professor in the School of International and Public Affairs Bhagwan Mahavir Professor of Jain Studies Founder and Director, Emeritus, Program in the Study of Spirituality Director of Jewish Studies and Professor of Religious Studies Florida International University Modesto A. Maidique Campus, DM 302 Miami, FL 33199 *facebook.com/nathan.katz1 * *http://religion.fiu.edu/faculty/full-time-faculty/nathan-katz/ * ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Aisha Y. Musa* Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM Subject: Please share this To: Nathan Katz Dear Nathan, I hope you and your family enjoyed a blessed Yom Kippur. Our department is seeking an Assistant Professor of E. Asian Religions/Buddhism. Please share this with any scholars who may be qualified and encourage them to apply. COLGATE UNIVERSITY?S Department of Religion seeks candidates for a full-time, tenure-track assistant professorship in the study of Buddhism, beginning fall semester 2015. Specialization in terms of time period is open, but expertise in Buddhism in the context of East Asian Religions is preferred. Ph.D. in Religious Studies/Religion and familiarity with problems and issues in the study of religion are required. Doctoral degree is expected prior to or shortly after the date of hire. The successful candidate will contribute to Colgate?s Asian Studies program and is expected to participate in all university programs, including the Liberal Arts Core Curriculum. Applicants must submit a letter of application, current vita, three letters of recommendation, and evidence of successful teaching via https://academicjobsonline.org/ajo/jobs/4259. Review of applications will begin October 13, 2014, and will continue until the position is filled. Colgate is a highly-selective liberal arts college located in central New York with an ambitious study abroad program, and is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. Developing and sustaining a diverse faculty, staff, and student body furthers the University's educational mission. Women and candidates from historically underrepresented groups are encouraged to apply. Applicants with dual-career considerations can find postings of other employment opportunities as Colgate and at other institutions of higher education in upstate New York at www.upstatenyherc.org. http://www.colgate.edu/working-at-colgate/faculty-job-opportunities Respectfully, Aisha Aisha Y. Musa Assistant Professor of Religion and Middle Eastern Studies and Islamic Civilization Colgate University Hamliton, NY -- Prof.Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad-500044 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu Wed Oct 8 02:21:56 2014 From: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu (Andrew Nicholson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 14 22:21:56 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of Samkhya-sutra-vrtti? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks to Madhav Deshpande, who provided me with Garbe's Sanskrit text exactly 51 minutes after I requested it! All the best, Andrew On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Andrew Nicholson wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I was wondering if any of you had a PDF file of Richard Garbe's > Sanskrit edition of the S??khya-s?tra-v?tti of Aniruddha. It was > originally published in 1888 in Calcutta by the Baptist Mission Press > (Bibliotheca Indica no. 122). If so, would you be willing to share > this file with me? I haven't been able to find it online. > > It is listed in WorldCat as: > > The S?am?khya su?tra vr?itti; or, Aniruddha's commentary and the > original parts of Veda?ntin Maha?deva's commentary to the Sa?m?khya > su?tras > > With thanks in advance, > Andrew > __________________________ > Andrew J. Nicholson > Associate Professor > SUNY Stony Brook > Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343 > (631) 632-4030 > http://philosophicalrasika.com/ From dv.fiordalis at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:06:06 2014 From: dv.fiordalis at gmail.com (David Fiordalis) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 14 12:06:06 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Vanessa, I, too, am taking students to Nepal (and Bhutan) this coming year (in January). :-) Of the various things you might check out, and which haven't yet been mentioned, I would recommend the work of Mark Liechty. His book, *Out Here in Kathmandu*, is great. He also has a short, accessible piece (with the same title) in the edited volume,* Everyday Life in South Asia*. I can give you some further suggestions offlist, if you like. Dave Fiordalis Linfield College On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Lubin, Tim wrote: > Vanessa, > > I am co-leading a four-week student class in Nepal this coming May. The > syllabus is not finalized yet, and it is interdisciplinary (I am doing it > with an economist), but it will be presentable (if not quite finalized) > shortly. We are having them read from Levy, H?fer, Bennett, Gellner, and > Michaels for the readings on social patterns, religion, and pre-20th-c. > law. Our course also gets into questions related to development (my > colleague handles this) and laws and the current constitution-drafting. On > the latter, see the work of Mara Malagodi: > https://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff61759.php > > Best, > > Timothy Lubin > Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > > http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint > http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 ? > > From: , "Michaels, Axel" < > michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de> > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:45 AM > To: Vanessa Sasson , " > indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list > > Dear Vanessa, > > here is a short list of some additional reading (only titles in English, > somewhat outdated but I do not have time to update it). I'll send you > offline a more extended list. Hope this helps. I mark those with an > asterisks which I find especially useful for your purpose: > Best, Axel > > > *Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels*| Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and > Europe in a Global Context" | Director Dept. of Classical Indology, > South Asia Institute | Director Research Unit "Historical Documents of > Nepal" of the Heidelberg Academy of Sciences and Humanities |*Contact *|Universit?t > Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut| Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 > Heidelberg |Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 | > sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de > (SAI > office) | Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de > (official > and personal) | michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de > (Cluster > mail) | *Websites *| > http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/de/startseite.html | > http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.php | > http://www.haw.uni-heidelberg.de/forschung/forschungsstellen/nepal/projekt.de.html > > > > *History:* > Burghart, Richard (1987), "Gifts to the gods: power, prosperity and > ceremonial in Nepal", in: D. Cannadine and S. Price (eds.), *Rituals of > Royalty - Power and Ceremonial in Traditional Societies*, Cambridge: > Cambridge University Press, pp. 237-270. > > Kumar, Satish (1967), *Rana Polity in Nepal - Origin and Growth*. London: > Asia Publishing House. > > Regmi, Mahesh Chandra (1976), *Landownership in Nepal*. Berkeley, Los > Angeles, London: University of California Press. > > Stiller, Ludwig F. (1976), *The Silent Cry - The People of Nepal > 1816-1839*. Kathmandu: Sahoyogi Press. > > --- 1989. *Prithivinarayan Shah in the Light of Dibya Upadesh*. > Kathmandu: Himalayan Book Centre (reprint, 1st ed. Ranchi 1968). > > Whelpton, John. 1983. *Jang Bahadur in Europe*. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Press. > > * ---. 1992. * Kings, Soldiers and Priests: Nepalese Politics and the > Rise of Jang Bahadur Rana, 1830-1857.* Kathmandu: Ratna Pustak Bhandar. > > > *Society and Law* > > Bennett, Lynn (1983), *Dangerous Wives and Sacred Sisters - Social and > Symbolic Roles of High-Caste Women in Nepal*. New York: Columbia > University Press. > > *H?fer, Andras. 1979. *The Caste Hierarchy and the State in Nepal - A > Study of the Muluki Ain of 1854*. Innsbruck: Universit?tsverlag Wagner > (Khumbu Himal, 13/2). > > Michaels, Axel. 1993 "Widow burning in Nepal", in: Gerard Toffin (ed.), *Nepal, > Past and Present. Proceedings of the Franco-German Conference > Art-et-Senans, June 1990*. Paris: CNRS Editions, pp. 21-34. > > ---. 1994a. "The Legislation of Widow Burning in 19th-Century Nepal. > Edition and Trans?lation of the Chapter *Satij?nyako* of the Muluk? Ain", *Asiatische > Stu?dien* XLVIII.4: 1213-1240. > > ---. 1997a. "The King and the Cow. On a Crucial Symbol of Hinduization", > in: David Gellner, Joanna Pfaff-Czarnecka and John Whelpton (eds.), *Nationalism > and Ethnicity in a Hindu Kingdom: The Politics of Culture in Con?temporary > Nepal*. Amsterdam: Har?wood Academic Publishers, 79-100. > > ---. *The Price of Purity: The Religious Judge in 19th Century Nepal. > Containing the Edition and Translation of the Chapters on the > Dharm?dhik?rin in Two (Muluk?) Ains.* Torino: CESMEO, 2005 > [erschienen/published 2006] (Comitato ?Corpus Juris Sancriticum et fontes > iuris Asiae Meridianae et Centralis?; vol. 6) > > > *Art* > > Gutschow, Niels*, The Nepalese Caitya - 1500 Years of Buddhist Votive > Architecture in the Kathmandu Valley. *With Drawings by Bijay Basukala > and an Introductory Essay on Newar Buddhism by David Gellner, Stuttgart > 1997. > > ---. Architecture of Nepal, 3 vols. 2012. > > -- and Bernhard K?lver, *Bhaktapur - Ordered Space, Concepts and > Functions in a Town of Nepal*. Wiesbaden: Steiner, 1975. > > *Michael Hutt: Nepal. A Guide to the Art and Architecture of the > Kathmandu Valley, Gartmore 1994. > > *Slusser, Mary Shepherd (1982), *Nepal Mandala - A Cultural Study of the > Kathmandu Valley*. 2 Vols., Princeton: Princeton University Press. > > > *Religion* > > Anderson, Mary M. (1971), *The Festivals of Nepal*. London: Allen & Unwin. > > *Gellner, David: * Monk, Householder, and Tantrik Priest. Newar Buddhism > and its Hierarchy of Ritual*. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1992. > > *Levy, Robert. (1990), *Mesocosm - Hinduism and the Organization of a > Traditional Newar City in Nepal*. Berkeley: Univ. of California Press. > > Locke, John K. (1980), *Karunamaya - The Cult of Avalokite?vara- > Matsyendran?th in the Valley of Nepal*. Kathmandu: Sahayogi Prakashan. > > Michaels, Axel. *?iva in Trouble ? Festivals and Rituals at the > Pa?upatin?tha Temple of Deopatan (Nepal).* Oxford, New York: Oxford > University Press, 2008. > > ---- (2005). (with Niels Gutschow) *Handling Death. The Dynamics of Death > and Ancestor Rituals Among the Newars of Bhaktapur, Nepal*. With > Contributions by Johanna Buss and Nutan Sharma and a Film on DVD by > Christian Bau*.* Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag (Ethno-Indology; 3). > > ---. 2008. (with Niels Gutschow) *Growing Up ? Hindu and Buddhist > Initiation Rituals among Newar Children in Bhaktapur, Nepal. *With a Film > on DVD by Christian Bau*.* Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag > (Ethno-Indology; 6). > > ---. (2012) (with Niels Gutschow) *Getting Married ? Hindu and Buddhist > Marriage Rituals among Newars of Bhaktapur and Patan, Nepal. *With a Film > on DVD by Christian Bau*.* Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag > (Ethno-Indology; 12). > > > Conference volumes: > > Chr. von F?rer-Haimendorf (Ed.), *The Anthropology of Nepal*. Warminster: > Aris & Philips, 1974 > > Hitchcock, John T., and Rex L. Jone (eds.): *Spirit Possession in the > Nepal Himalayas*. Warminster (Engl.): Aris and Phillips, 1976. > > Allen, Michael, and S.N. Mukherjee (eds.), *Women in India and Nepal. **Canberra: > ANU, 1982.* > > K?lver, Bernhard (ed.). 1986. *Formen kulturellen Wandels und andere > Beitr?ge zur Erforschung des**Him?laya. *Sankt Augustin: VGH > Wissenschaftsverlag. > > --- (ed.) 1992. *Aspects of Nepalese Traditions. *Stuttgart: Franz > Steiner Verlag. > > Gutschow, Niels; Michaels, Axel (eds.). 1987. *Heritage of the Kathmandu > Valley: Proceedings of an International Conference in L?beck, 1987*. > Sankt Augustin: VGH Wissenschaftsverlag > > K?lver, Bernhard (Ed.) (1992), "Seminar on German Research on Nepal" in > Kathmandu, March 12-15, 1990.Kathmandu: Nepal research Centree. > > Brauen, Martin; Ramble, Charles (eds.). 1993. *Anthropology of Tibet and > the Himalaya*. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the University of Zurich > > Toffin, Gerard (ed). 1993. *Nepal, Past and Present: Proceedings of the > Franco-German Conference Art-et-Senans, June 1990*. Paris: CNRS Editions, > 21-34. > > Blondeau, Anne-Marie; Steinkellner, Ernst (eds.). 1996. *Reflections of > the Mountain. Essays on the History and Social Meaning of the Mountain Cult > in Tibet and the Himalaya.*Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der > Wissenschaften. > > Michaels, Axel, Cornelia Vogelsanger, Annette Wilke (eds.), *Wild > Godesses in India and Nepal*, Berne 1996. > > Lienhard, Siegfried (ed.). 1996. *Change and Continuity: Studies in the > Nepalese Culture of the Kathmandu Valley*. Turin: Edizioni Dell'orso > (CESMEO). > > Bickel, Balthasar; Gaenszle, Martin (eds.). 1999. *Cultural Horizons and > Practices in Himalayan Space*. Zurich: Ethnological Museum of the > University of Zurich. > > Gutschow, Niels, Axel Michaels, Charles Ramble, Ernst Steinkellner > (Hrsg.),*Sacred Landscape of the Himalaya. *Wien: ?sterreichische > Akademie der Wissenschaften, 2003. > > > From: Vanessa Sasson > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:44 PM > To: "indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nepal reading list > > Dear colleagues, > > This coming January, I will be making the adventurous move of bringing 15 > students to Nepal. I have not been in 20 years, so there is a lot of > catching up to do! > > The students will each be bringing at least one book about Nepal with them > (aside from the research they will be doing before we leave), and the books > will serve as a kind of on-site library at the hotel for them. I am trying > to put together a good reading list for them to choose from - anything from > history of Nepal, to the environment, and of course religion, art and > culture. I have already included a few of David Gellner's books, Todd > Lewis' Popular Buddhism, and Whelpton's History of Nepal. > > If any of you have recommendations to add, I would be most grateful. I am > happy to circulate the results of this reading list after I am done putting > it together. Of course, if you have great articles to include, I will > happily to include those as well. > > Best wishes, > Vanessa R. Sasson > Religious Studies > Marianopolis College > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Patrick McCartney PhD Candidate School of Culture, History & Language College of the Asia-Pacific The Australian National University Canberra, Australia, 0200 Skype - psdmccartney Australia: +61 487 398 354 Germany: +49 157 5469 4045 - *https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile * - *https://anu-au.academia.edu/patrickmccartney * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZHJVkhVBPc&list=UUfGaSWlfxH4er_TsQBmSINQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqBD_2P4Pg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurie.patton at duke.edu Thu Oct 9 14:14:56 2014 From: laurie.patton at duke.edu (Prof Laurie Patton, Ph.D.) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 14 14:14:56 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] maritime trade and ship building in western India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick, Greetings! You might contact Roxani Margariti at Emory University. http://mesas.emory.edu/home/people/faculty/margariti.html She has worked on Aden and the Indian Ocean trade. rmargar at emory.edu Laurie L. Patton Durden Professor of Indian Religions Dean, Arts and Sciences Duke University 104 Allen Building Durham, NC 27705 PH: 919.684.4510 FX:919.684.8503 From: INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info] On Behalf Of patrick mccartney Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:09 AM To: Indology List Subject: [INDOLOGY] maritime trade and ship building in western India Dear List, I am searching for pdf scans or digitised versions of original manuscripts in any script/language regarding maritime trade and ship building in South Asia. However, I am particularly interested in Western India. All the best, Patrick McCartney PhD Candidate School of Culture, History & Language College of the Asia-Pacific The Australian National University Canberra, Australia, 0200 Skype - psdmccartney Australia: +61 487 398 354 Germany: +49 157 5469 4045 ? https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile ? https://anu-au.academia.edu/patrickmccartney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZHJVkhVBPc&list=UUfGaSWlfxH4er_TsQBmSINQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqBD_2P4Pg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbalogh at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 08:56:42 2014 From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Balogh_D=C3=A1niel?=) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 14 10:56:42 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Suganga palace Message-ID: <5438F0CA.4030601@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Sat Oct 11 15:10:23 2014 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 14 11:10:23 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] search help Message-ID: <1F6DAE72-026A-4B40-A7DC-9AB9AEEAE2DD@ivs.edu> Dear Colleagues, Is there a way to search this text? I?m trying to get to 10.1.87, without spending half the day pushing the arrow button. https://archive.org/stream/SrimadBhagavatamCanto10withMultipleSanskritCommentaries/sb_canto_10#page/n7/mode/2up Thanks! Howard From hr at ivs.edu Sat Oct 11 15:12:13 2014 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 14 11:12:13 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] search help Message-ID: My apologies. I am trying to get to 10.87.20 Is there a way to search this text? I?m trying to get to 10.1.87, without spending half the day pushing the arrow button. https://archive.org/stream/SrimadBhagavatamCanto10withMultipleSanskritCommentaries/sb_canto_10#page/n7/mode/2up Thanks! Howard From jacob at fabularasa.dk Sat Oct 11 15:32:06 2014 From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 14 17:32:06 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] search help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8e28e0bac04e41525c63febbfa13027e@fabularasa.dk> You can use the slider at the bottom of the page to scroll quickly through the book. 10.87.20 begins here: https://archive.org/stream/SrimadBhagavatamCanto10withMultipleSanskritCommentaries/sb_canto_10#page/n6810/mode/1up Best, Jacob Jacob Schmidt-Madsen Lecturer, Indology University of Copenhagen Denmark Howard Resnick skrev den 2014-10-11 17:12: > My apologies. I am trying to get to 10.87.20 > > > Is there a way to search this text? I?m trying to get to 10.1.87, > without spending half the day pushing the arrow button. > > https://archive.org/stream/SrimadBhagavatamCanto10withMultipleSanskritCommentaries/sb_canto_10#page/n7/mode/2up > > Thanks! > > Howard > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info From Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk Sun Oct 12 12:15:44 2014 From: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk (Rupert Gethin) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 14 13:15:44 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Digital of edition PTS Pali canon Message-ID: <543A70F0.4000501@bristol.ac.uk> Dear All, Members of this list will have seen Reinhold Gruenendahl's regular updates concerning the availability of new texts on GRETIL. On behalf of the PTS I thought it might be worth drawing attention to the regular addition of texts of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. In short, the Pali Text Society is pleased to announce the availability of digital editions of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. The files are being made available gradually, text by text, for free download on GRETIL (G?ttingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages): http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ These files are based on the digital text input by the Dhammakaya Foundation, Thailand, 1989-1996 and are made available by the Pali Text Society for scholarly purposes only. In principle they represent a digital edition (without revision or correction) of the printed editions of the complete set of Pali canonical texts published by the PTS. While they have been subject to a process of checking, it should not be assumed that there is no divergence from the printed editions and it is strongly recommended that they are checked against the printed editions before quoting. While the PTS edition of the canon can make no particular claim to authority or accuracy, its text is the one most widely used and quoted in the scholarly literature published over the last 125 years. These files should therefore be a useful scholarly resource. The files include the page numbers and line breaks of the printed edition. Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -- Rupert Gethin Professor of Buddhist Studies University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK http://www.bris.ac.uk/religion/ Telephone: 0117 928 8169 Fax: 0117 331 7933 Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk From Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk Sun Oct 12 12:21:34 2014 From: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk (Rupert Gethin) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 14 13:21:34 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Digital edition of PTS Pali canon Message-ID: <543A724E.3000103@bristol.ac.uk> Dear All, On behalf of the PTS, I would just like to draw attention to the availability of files of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. In short, the Pali Text Society is pleased to announce the availability of digital editions of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. The files are being made available gradually, text by text, for free download on GRETIL (G?ttingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages): http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ These files are based on the digital text input by the Dhammakaya Foundation, Thailand, 1989-1996 and are made available by the Pali Text Society for scholarly purposes only. In principle they represent a digital edition (without revision or correction) of the printed editions of the complete set of Pali canonical texts published by the PTS. While they have been subject to a process of checking, it should not be assumed that there is no divergence from the printed editions and it is strongly recommended that they are checked against the printed editions before quoting. While the PTS edition of the canon can make no particular claim to authority or accuracy, its text is the one most widely used and quoted in the scholarly literature published over the last 125 years. These digital texts should therefore be a useful scholarly resource. The files include the page numbers and line breaks of the printed edition. Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk From sagarjournal at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 04:00:23 2014 From: sagarjournal at gmail.com (Sagar Journal) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 14 23:00:23 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sagar Journal Call for Papers Message-ID: *Sagar: A South Asia Research Journal* publishes innovative academic writing in the humanities and social sciences of South Asia, as well as critical translations of texts from South Asian languages to English. It was established in 1993 and is published annually by The South Asia Institute at the University of Texas at Austin. Two years ago, we transitioned to a peer-reviewed evaluation process for our annual print volumes. We are now accepting full-length research articles and translations for our next print volume, to be published in Spring 2015. *The deadline for submission is* *November 25, 2014*. Submissions for our print issue are blindly evaluated by an editorial board of advanced scholars in the field. Beginning with this volume, *SAGAR* will also be listed on EBSCO databases, which are used for academic research by tens of thousands of institutions worldwide. This will substantially enhance the visibility of articles published in the journal. Besides our annual print volume, we also publish online essays all through the year. Online essays are blindly evaluated by an editorial collective of UT graduate students in consultation with our faculty board. The editorial collective coordinates all submissions. Manuscripts are expected to follow the 16th edition of the Chicago Manual of Style. Full citation information should be included in footnotes. The entire article, including block quotations and notes, should be double-spaced. Please remove any identifying information so that submission is suitable for anonymous review. *Submission types:* *(1) Full-length research articles*: These should be between 8,000 and 10,000 words and should include a one-paragraph abstract. *(2) Original translations*: These should be between 3,000 and 6,000 words, preceded by a 1,300-1,600-word introduction that contextualizes the text or excerpt. Please send a scanned copy of the original source text along with your submission. If your submission is accepted, you will be asked to type the original source text for publication on our website. *(3) Online essays*: Online essays should be 1,500 words or less and should include citations. Submissions with images, video and/or audio are encouraged. *(4) Reviews of archives*: Our archive reviews are published throughout the year. We encourage contributions from scholars who have recently consulted particular archives. Contributors should include information about archive holdings, accessibility and fees, working hours, duplication, and food and lodging. Please submit electronic copies of papers saved as Microsoft Word file and include a 150-word biography and publishable images with credits, where applicable. Submissions of articles and translations received after *November 25, 2014* will be considered for the following year?s issue of Sagar. Send all electronic manuscripts and questions to sagarjournal at gmail.com. -- *Sagar: A South Asia Research Journal* University of Texas at Austin South Asia Institute WCH 4.132, Mailcode G9300 Austin, TX, 78712 ph: 512-471-3550 http://sagarjournal.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de Mon Oct 13 15:24:17 2014 From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 14 15:24:17 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Digital of edition PTS Pali canon In-Reply-To: <543A70F0.4000501@bristol.ac.uk> Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94A663D7FD@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de> Since my name came up in the first of two (otherwise identical) messages posted yesterday by Professor Gethin, the following additional information may not be out of place. As pointed out by Professor Gethin, the files now gradually made available on GRETIL are based on the digital text input by the Dhammakaya Foundation. To take a concrete case, the Dhammakaya text of Samyuttanikaya 1 came like this: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/2_pali/1_tipit/2_sut/3_samyu/samyu1_u.htm for the original txt file see here: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/2_pali/1_tipit/2_sut/3_samyu/samyu1.txt In a first step, bracketed page numbers, page headers and footnotes are visually distinguished from the main text by means of typographical styles such as BOLD, ITALICS and REDLINE. Then the footnote numbers scattered across the main text are filtered out in order to distinguish them, too, in REDLINE. This, I believe, enhances the readability of the main text. Occasionally, as in the case of the Samyuttanikaya, a standardized structure of reference is added (indicated at the beginning of the GRETIL files): SN_n.n,n.n = Samyutta-Nikaya_division.book,chapter.section The result of the above measures is presented in the files described as "Text in original PTS layout, with notes". In these files the line breaks of the printed edition are preserved. ___________________________________ In a second step, footnote numbers and line breaks cutting across sentences are removed from the main text (along with the footnotes). In addition, content straddling page break is moved to the respective page above. This should enhance the usefulness of the files for text search. The result of these additional measures is presented in the alternative files described as "Plain floating text, without notes" ___________________________________ The download links for these two files are presented side by side, followed by alternative versions such as the BJT edition, where available, and links to related materials in the GRETIL e-library. In the case at hand, the ensemble looks like this: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gret_utf.htm#Samyutt Users are kindly requested to report any irregularity they may come across in using these (or other) GRETIL files. Thanks again to the Pali Text Society for contributing the original files to the GRETIL collection. Reinhold Gr?nendahl ________________________________________ Von: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info]" im Auftrag von "Rupert Gethin [Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk] Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 2014 14:15 An: indology at list.indology.info Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Digital of edition PTS Pali canon Dear All, Members of this list will have seen Reinhold Gruenendahl's regular updates concerning the availability of new texts on GRETIL. On behalf of the PTS I thought it might be worth drawing attention to the regular addition of texts of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. In short, the Pali Text Society is pleased to announce the availability of digital editions of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. The files are being made available gradually, text by text, for free download on GRETIL (G?ttingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages): http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ These files are based on the digital text input by the Dhammakaya Foundation, Thailand, 1989-1996 and are made available by the Pali Text Society for scholarly purposes only. In principle they represent a digital edition (without revision or correction) of the printed editions of the complete set of Pali canonical texts published by the PTS. While they have been subject to a process of checking, it should not be assumed that there is no divergence from the printed editions and it is strongly recommended that they are checked against the printed editions before quoting. While the PTS edition of the canon can make no particular claim to authority or accuracy, its text is the one most widely used and quoted in the scholarly literature published over the last 125 years. These files should therefore be a useful scholarly resource. The files include the page numbers and line breaks of the printed edition. Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -- Rupert Gethin Professor of Buddhist Studies University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK http://www.bris.ac.uk/religion/ Telephone: 0117 928 8169 Fax: 0117 331 7933 Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info From kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de Mon Oct 13 16:37:01 2014 From: kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Birgit Kellner) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 14 18:37:01 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Digital of edition PTS Pali canon In-Reply-To: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94A663D7FD@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de> Message-ID: <543BFFAD.7030807@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de> These files are tremendously valuable, and the PTS, Rupert Gethin, the Dhammakaya Foundation and Reinhold Gruenendahl deserve our heartfelt thanks. This is truly a great initiative. Are there any plans to make them available in TEI-XML? That would increase their utility tremendously. Or, to ask the question differently: Is there any particular reason why TEI-XML was not chosen from the start? It has its disadvantages, like every markup language and encoding schema, but it is so widely used now, and much more flexible than HTML. Thanks again, best regards, Birgit Kelner Am 13.10.2014 um 17:24 schrieb Gruenendahl, Reinhold: > Since my name came up in the first of two (otherwise identical) messages posted yesterday by Professor Gethin, the following additional information may not be out of place. > > As pointed out by Professor Gethin, the files now gradually made available on GRETIL are based on the digital text input by the Dhammakaya Foundation. > > To take a concrete case, the Dhammakaya text of Samyuttanikaya 1 came like this: > http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/2_pali/1_tipit/2_sut/3_samyu/samyu1_u.htm > for the original txt file see here: > http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/2_pali/1_tipit/2_sut/3_samyu/samyu1.txt > > > > In a first step, bracketed page numbers, page headers and footnotes are visually distinguished from the main text by means of typographical styles such as BOLD, ITALICS and REDLINE. > Then the footnote numbers scattered across the main text are filtered out in order to distinguish them, too, in REDLINE. This, I believe, enhances the readability of the main text. > > Occasionally, as in the case of the Samyuttanikaya, a standardized structure of reference is added (indicated at the beginning of the GRETIL files): > SN_n.n,n.n = Samyutta-Nikaya_division.book,chapter.section > > The result of the above measures is presented in the files described as > "Text in original PTS layout, with notes". > > In these files the line breaks of the printed edition are preserved. > > ___________________________________ > > > In a second step, footnote numbers and line breaks cutting across sentences are removed from the main text (along with the footnotes). In addition, content straddling page break is moved to the respective page above. This should enhance the usefulness of the files for text search. > > The result of these additional measures is presented in the alternative files described as > "Plain floating text, without notes" > > ___________________________________ > > > The download links for these two files are presented side by side, followed by alternative versions such as the BJT edition, where available, and links to related materials in the GRETIL e-library. In the case at hand, the ensemble looks like this: > http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gret_utf.htm#Samyutt > > > Users are kindly requested to report any irregularity they may come across in using these (or other) GRETIL files. > > > Thanks again to the Pali Text Society for contributing the original files to the GRETIL collection. > > > Reinhold Gr?nendahl > > > > ________________________________________ > Von: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info]" im Auftrag von "Rupert Gethin [Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 2014 14:15 > An: indology at list.indology.info > Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Digital of edition PTS Pali canon > > Dear All, > > Members of this list will have seen Reinhold Gruenendahl's regular > updates concerning the availability of new texts on GRETIL. On behalf of > the PTS I thought it might be worth drawing attention to the regular > addition of texts of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. > > In short, the Pali Text Society is pleased to announce the availability > of digital editions of the PTS edition of the Pali canon. The files are > being made available gradually, text by text, for free download on > GRETIL (G?ttingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages): > > http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ > > These files are based on the digital text input by the Dhammakaya > Foundation, Thailand, 1989-1996 and are made available by the Pali Text > Society for scholarly purposes only. In principle they represent a > digital edition (without revision or correction) of the printed editions > of the complete set of Pali canonical texts published by the PTS. While > they have been subject to a process of checking, it should not be > assumed that there is no divergence from the printed editions and it is > strongly recommended that they are checked against the printed editions > before quoting. > > While the PTS edition of the canon can make no particular claim to > authority or accuracy, its text is the one most widely used and quoted > in the scholarly literature published over the last 125 years. These > files should therefore be a useful scholarly resource. The files include > the page numbers and line breaks of the printed edition. > > Best wishes, > > Rupert Gethin > > University of Bristol > Department of Religion and Theology > 3 Woodland Road > Bristol BS8 1TB, UK > > Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk > > -- > Rupert Gethin > Professor of Buddhist Studies > > University of Bristol > Department of Religion and Theology > 3 Woodland Road > Bristol BS8 1TB, UK > > http://www.bris.ac.uk/religion/ > > Telephone: 0117 928 8169 > Fax: 0117 331 7933 > Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- ---------- Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner Chair of Buddhist Studies Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - The Dynamics of Transculturality" University of Heidelberg Karl Jaspers Centre Vo?stra?e 2, Building 4400 D-69115 Heidelberg Phone: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301 (Office Ina Chebbi: 4363) Fax: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012 From Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk Mon Oct 13 18:46:38 2014 From: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk (Rupert Gethin) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 14 19:46:38 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Digital of edition PTS Pali canon In-Reply-To: <543BFFAD.7030807@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <543C1E0E.9020605@bristol.ac.uk> Dear List, Apologies for sending essentially the same message twice yesterday: I wanted to send notice about the availability of these files to several lists and inadvertently sent it twice to Indology. To fill in some more of the background, in the mid 80s the PTS signed an agreement with the Dhammakaya Foundation in Thailand, who basically provided the necessary resources to input the text of the PTS edition of the canon. TEI-XML had yet to evolve and the plan was to produce a CD-ROM package. I think two versions were released in the 1990s and distributed to a number of people. The general verdict was that neither version worked particularly well. Some years went by. Eventually the Council of the PTS came to the conclusion that it was unfortunate that these digital files existed but very few had access to them. The simplest and most efficient way of making them widely available seemed to be to add them to the GRETIL resource. The Dhammakaya files were usable but certainly needed some tidying up. The PTS is extremely grateful to Reinhold Gruenendahl for all the work he has put in in order to make these files more user friendly and accessible. TEI-XML mark up would be a good next stage. With best wishes, Rupert Gethin On 13/10/2014 17:37, Birgit Kellner wrote: > These files are tremendously valuable, and the PTS, Rupert Gethin, the > Dhammakaya Foundation and Reinhold Gruenendahl deserve our heartfelt > thanks. This is truly a great initiative. > > Are there any plans to make them available in TEI-XML? That would > increase their utility tremendously. > > Or, to ask the question differently: Is there any particular reason > why TEI-XML was not chosen from the start? > > It has its disadvantages, like every markup language and encoding > schema, but it is so widely used now, and much more flexible than HTML. > > Thanks again, > > best regards, > > Birgit Kelner > -- *Rupert Gethin* University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For anyone planning to attend the AAR Annual Meeting next month in San Diego, there will be a panel on the book that will feature Gudrun B?hnemann, Ronald Davidson, David DiValerio, David White, John Nemec, and myself (quad-sponsored by the Buddhism Section, Tantric Studies Group, Tibetan and Himalayan Religions Group, and Yoga in Theory and Practice Group). Best, CKW -- Christian K. Wedemeyer Associate Professor of the History of Religions Chair, History of Religions Area Assistant Marshal of the University University of Chicago Divinity School 1025 E 58th Street Chicago, IL 60637 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this email message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. 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Now, I require the note on *agada* reported in Hauschild's Register as occurring on p.14 of the Nachtr?ge. Could any colleague kindly send to me a scan of note? The matter will be acknowledged with gratitude if any publication resulted from this. I report here that I did not find *agada *in Mayrhofer 1992 -- 2001. Best wishes for all Dipak Bhattacharya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu Tue Oct 14 11:49:45 2014 From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 14 06:49:45 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Debrunner on agada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The "Register" also gives agada as given in Nachtrage to II.1. I also do not have the latter volume. But you will also find almost two full pages on agada in the Poona Dictionary, Vol. 1, p. 286f. Patrick On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:46 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > > > 14.10.14 > > Dear Friends, > > Could I expect a small help from any of my colleagues? > > I do not have Albert Debrunner's Nachtr?ge zu Band II.1, Altindishe Grammatik (1957). Unfortunately our Central Library too does not have the second edition of AiG II.1 with Debrunner's additions. When it came to my notice this 1957 edition was reportedly unavailable in the market. I did not find it in the Internet too. > > Now, I require the note on agada reported in Hauschild's Register as occurring on p.14 of the Nachtr?ge. Could any colleague kindly send to me a scan of note? The matter will be acknowledged with gratitude if any publication resulted from this. > > I report here that I did not find agada in Mayrhofer 1992 -- 2001. > > Best wishes for all > > Dipak Bhattacharya > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauzeya at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:02:43 2014 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 14 14:02:43 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Debrunner on agada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the attached should do it :) On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > The "Register" also gives agada as given in Nachtrage to II.1. I also do > not have the latter volume. But you will also find almost two full pages on > agada in the Poona Dictionary, Vol. 1, p. 286f. > > Patrick > > > > On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:46 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya > wrote: > > > > 14.10.14 > > Dear Friends, > > Could I expect a small help from any of my colleagues? > > I do not have Albert Debrunner's Nachtr?ge zu Band II.1, Altindishe > Grammatik (1957). Unfortunately our Central Library too does not have the > second edition of AiG II.1 with Debrunner's additions. When it came to my > notice this 1957 edition was reportedly unavailable in the market. I did > not find it in the Internet too. > > Now, I require the note on *agada* reported in Hauschild's Register as > occurring on p.14 of the Nachtr?ge. Could any colleague kindly send to me a > scan of note? The matter will be acknowledged with gratitude if any > publication resulted from this. > > I report here that I did not find *agada *in Mayrhofer 1992 -- 2001. > > Best wishes for all > > Dipak Bhattacharya > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Indian publications are relatively easy to upload. But I am unaware of the copyright encumbrances of Western ones. My best wishes for your unimpeded progress. Sincerely Dipak Bhattacharya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:13:01 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 14 16:13:01 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Debrunner on agada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mayrhofer EWA 1992, v.1 pp. 804 and 460. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:24:35 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 14 16:24:35 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 October 2014 14:13, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > Indian publications are relatively easy to upload. But I am unaware of > the copyright encumbrances of Western ones. > ?As a general rule, India has same copyright rules as the rest of the world, since India has signed the same international conventions as other countries. Again, in general, nothing can be copied without permission until 60 or 70 years after the death of the copyright holder. Critical editions can be copied 25 years after publication. The above is probably right, but it's a tricky area. To say the least!? If you are a copyright-holder and you want to let others copy your work but not to take undue advantage of your generosity, then you should consider placing a Creative Commons license on your work. This way, you keep the copyright, but you give permission to others to reproduce your work under certain terms that prevent abuse. This would be good, for example, for an article that you would like your students to be able to copy, or if you want to put a PDF of your work on your website or on a service like Academia.edu. Best, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonio.jardim at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 01:07:07 2014 From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 14 11:07:07 +1000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Prof Wujastyk is correct. Section 22 of the Copyright Act - India (1957) generally prohibits reproduction for up to 60 years from the death of the author. The Act does not discuss critical editions. However, Prof Bhattacharya might benefit from being aware on an exemption in s52 of the Act at (1)(o) which permits a public library to make up to three copies of a work that is not available for sale in India. Kind regards, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > On 14 October 2014 14:13, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: >> >> Indian publications are relatively easy to upload. But I am unaware of the >> copyright encumbrances of Western ones. > > > As a general rule, India has same copyright rules as the rest of the world, > since India has signed the same international conventions as other > countries. > > Again, in general, nothing can be copied without permission until 60 or 70 > years after the death of the copyright holder. Critical editions can be > copied 25 years after publication. > > The above is probably right, but it's a tricky area. To say the least! > > If you are a copyright-holder and you want to let others copy your work but > not to take undue advantage of your generosity, then you should consider > placing a Creative Commons license on your work. This way, you keep the > copyright, but you give permission to others to reproduce your work under > certain terms that prevent abuse. This would be good, for example, for an > article that you would like your students to be able to copy, or if you want > to put a PDF of your work on your website or on a service like Academia.edu. > > Best, > Dominik > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Wed Oct 15 06:09:05 2014 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 14 06:09:05 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Good news on Gilgit! Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037494BE7@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Dear friends, Received today from my correspondent in Kashmir: "I just spoke with the Director of the museum ...He confirmed reports that the manuscripts, in the main, were not touched by the waters and remain safe. He additionally confirmed that the manuscript covers were also never touched by the waters and remain completely safe! "In trying to uncover the mystery of the gap between earlier reports and the most recent, it probably has to do with genuine concern, hearsay reports, armchair concern of those who feel a custodial responsibility, media haste posited against the inarticulacy and lack of media reach of the administrative machinery of the government and the museum. Things will no doubt become clearer as the days go by, but in the end, it appears the things are safe. But "seeing is believing", so I am looking forward to hopefully actually seeing the objects on the 20th or so." I will keep you informed regarding what my friend learns next week. all best, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best wishes. ___ Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) http://ceias.ehess.fr/ http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manufrancis at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 14:45:50 2014 From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 14 16:45:50 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Minoru Hara's article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I have now the article of Hara. So quickly! Thanks a lot. -- Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) http://ceias.ehess.fr/ http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Manu Francis wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I have been unable to find on the web a digital copy of the following: > Hara, Minoru (1997). "Srii?Mistress of a King. Orientalia Suecana 45-46 > (1996-97), pp. 33-61/62. > > > http://www.lingfil.uu.se/inst/publikationsserier/orientalia_suecana/?languageId=1 > > If anybody has it all ready at hand and kindly share it, I would be glad > and grateful. > > With best wishes. > ___ > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Head, Department for Oriental philosophy studies Institute of Philosophy, Russian Academy of Sciences Moscow, Volkhonka, 14 Professor, Russian State University for Humanities Russia From hegartyjm at googlemail.com Thu Oct 16 10:05:03 2014 From: hegartyjm at googlemail.com (James Hegarty) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 14 11:05:03 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Horsch on the Wheel Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I am in search of Paul Horsch's paper 'The Wheel: an Indian Pattern of World-Interpretation', which was published in 'Sino-Indian Studies' ed. Kshitis Roy, W. Liebenthal Festschrift, vol. 5, (pts. 3 and 4), Visvabharati Santiniketan, 1957, pp. 62-79. My library does not have it and I am pushed for time for an inter-library loan! Thanks, James Hegarty Cardiff University From ute.huesken at ikos.uio.no Thu Oct 16 15:42:50 2014 From: ute.huesken at ikos.uio.no (=?utf-8?Q?Ute_H=C3=BCsken?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 14 15:42:50 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Deadline for abstract submission for the next World Sanskrit Conference (Bangkok) extended to November 30 Message-ID: <2e263d0433fc440497de98bd1132594b@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no> Dear list members, the panel conveners were informed that the deadline for abstract submissions is extended (see below). I would like to encourage you all to hand in your abstracts asap, so that the review process can begin. Many greetings Ute Huesken "we are pleased to yield to the date change request. The new date for submission of abstract will be 30th November 2014. Kindly note there shall be no further extension at all and there will be no more taking up new panel for the 16th WSC, Bangkok. Thanking you once again, Yours Sincerely, Samniang Leurmsai, PhD Secretary General, 16th World Sanskrit Conference, 2015 Sanskrit Studies Centre, Silpakorn University, Bangkok, Thailand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajit.gargeshwari at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:39:58 2014 From: ajit.gargeshwari at gmail.com (Ajit Gargeshwari) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 14 23:09:58 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=E2=80=8B_Horsch_on_the_Wheel?= Message-ID: DLI has this article in the following book Liebenthal Festschrift. , 4990010203592. Roy, Kshitis, ed.. 1957. english. RELIGION. THEOLOGY. 328 pgs. Regards Ajit Gargeshwari ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????2.20?? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM, wrote: > Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to > indology at list.indology.info > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > indology-request at list.indology.info > > You can reach the person managing the list at > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. > ?? > Horsch on the Wheel (James Hegarty) > 2. Deadline for abstract submission for the next World Sanskrit > Conference (Bangkok) extended to November 30 (Ute H?sken) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James Hegarty > To: indology > Cc: > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:05:03 +0100 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Horsch on the Wheel > Dear Colleagues, > > I am in search of Paul Horsch's paper 'The Wheel: an Indian Pattern of > World-Interpretation', which was published in 'Sino-Indian Studies' ed. > Kshitis Roy, W. Liebenthal Festschrift, vol. 5, (pts. 3 and 4), > Visvabharati Santiniketan, 1957, pp. 62-79. > > My library does not have it and I am pushed for time for an inter-library > loan! > > Thanks, > > James Hegarty > Cardiff University > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Ute H?sken" > To: "indology at list.indology.info" > Cc: > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:42:50 +0000 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Deadline for abstract submission for the next World > Sanskrit Conference (Bangkok) extended to November 30 > > Dear list members, > > > the panel conveners were informed that the deadline for abstract > submissions is extended (see below). I would like to encourage you all to > hand in your abstracts asap, so that the review process can begin. > > > Many greetings > > Ute Huesken > > > "we are pleased to yield to the date change request. The new date for > submission of abstract will be 30th November 2014. Kindly note there shall > be no further extension at all and there will be no more taking up new > panel for the 16th WSC, Bangkok. > Thanking you once again, > Yours Sincerely, > Samniang Leurmsai, PhD > *Secretary General,* > *16th World Sanskrit Conference, 2015* > *Sanskrit Studies Centre,* > *Silpakorn University, Bangkok, Thailand* > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gleb.sharygin at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 18:04:55 2014 From: gleb.sharygin at gmail.com (Gleb Sharygin) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 14 22:04:55 +0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] looking for a scan of Guenther's book Message-ID: Dear Dr. Lysenko, I'm happy to provide you with the requested scan. You may get it here. https://www.sendspace.com/file/bm77ed With best regards, Gleb Sharygin. From: Viktoria Lysenko > To: indology > Cc: > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:23:24 +0400 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] looking for a scan of Guenther's book > > Dear all, > I am looking for PDF, scan or any electronic form of Guenther H.V., > Philosophy and psychology of Abhidharma. Lucknow, 1957 or any other > edition. It becames a rarity. I need it for my PHD student who is writing > his thesis on the application of the notion 'psychology' to the Abhidharma > thought, and myself for my studies of Alexander Piatigorsky notion of > psychology. > Please, help us! > Victoria > > -- > Victoria Lysenko, dr.hab.philos. > Head, Department for Oriental philosophy studies > Institute of Philosophy, Russian Academy of Sciences > Moscow, Volkhonka, 14 > Professor, Russian State University for Humanities > Russia > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au Fri Oct 17 02:38:42 2014 From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 14 02:38:42 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Hindi courses at universities in India? Message-ID: <1413513521886.93078@anu.edu.au> Dear Colleagues This is tangential to normal Indology business, but can anyone recommend a university in India were we can send our intermediate Hindi language students for Hindi language courses? Our government regulations stipulate that it must be a university. Our university is looking for an exchange, rather then paying fees upfront. Thanks in advance McComas ________________________________ McComas Taylor Head, Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies, CHL, CAP The Australian National University Tel. + 61 2 6125 3179 Website: https://sites.google.com/site/mccomasanu/ Address: Baldessin Building 4.24, ANU, ACT 0200 ________________________________ Test drive our new 'Joy of Sanskrit' electronic text book. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our university is looking for an exchange, > rather then paying fees upfront. > > > Thanks in advance > > > McComas > > > ------------------------------ > McComas Taylor > Head, Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies, CHL, CAP > The Australian National University > Tel. + 61 2 6125 3179 > Website: https://sites.google.com/site/mccomasanu/ > Address: Baldessin Building 4.24, ANU, ACT 0200 > ------------------------------ > Test drive our new 'Joy of Sanskrit' electronic text book > . > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willi.beinvogl at gmx.de Sat Oct 18 14:12:24 2014 From: willi.beinvogl at gmx.de (Wilhelm Beinvogl) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 14 16:12:24 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] search Message-ID: <54427548.7070400@gmx.de> Is anyboby aware of KKKK (kavi-kAvya-kAla- kalpanA)? More specifically I would be interested how to access this database online. Appreciate your help, W. Beinvogl, Munich From pf8 at soas.ac.uk Sun Oct 19 12:06:42 2014 From: pf8 at soas.ac.uk (Peter Flugel) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 14 13:06:42 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Call for Papers, World Sanskrit Conference, Bangkok 2015 Message-ID: As co-convenor of the Jaina Panel of the WSC 2015 I pass the following information on for all concerned. Peter Flugel The new date for submission of abstract will be 30th November 2014. Kindly note there shall be no further extension at all and there will be no more taking up new panel for the 16th WSC, Bangkok. Thanking you once again, Yours Sincerely, Samniang Leurmsai, PhD *Secretary General,16th World Sanskrit Conference, 2015Sanskrit Studies Centre,Silpakorn University, Bangkok, Thailand* -- Dr Peter Fl?gel Chair, Centre of Jaina Studies Department of the Study of Religions Faculty of Arts and Humanities School of Oriental and African Studies University of London Thornhaugh Street Russell Square London WC1H OXG Tel.: (+44-20) 7898 4776 E-mail: pf8 at soas.ac.uk http://www.soas.ac.uk/jainastudies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 12:02:17 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 14:02:17 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/world/europe/where-mud-is-archaeological-gold-russian-history-grew-on-trees.html?referrer= etched? Doesn't seem likely, and doesn't look like it in the photo. 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Could the > Novgorod scrolls be on bark from Kashmir? > Dominik Wujastyk, from Android phone. > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -- Please, use for further mails MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS ingo.strauch at unil.ch. Prof. Dr. Ingo Strauch Sanskrit et ?tudes Bouddhiques Universit? de Lausanne Anthropole 4118 CH-1015 Lausanne Phone ++41-(0)21-692-3005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Mon Oct 20 12:25:43 2014 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 12:25:43 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED03749596C@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Dear Dominik, Birch is so plentiful throughout northern Eurasia that I very much doubt one would have needed to have imported the bark from Kashmir! best, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baums at lmu.de Mon Oct 20 12:56:23 2014 From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 14:56:23 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED03749596C@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20141020125623.GJ2587@deepthought> Dear Dominik and Matthew, yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly visible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript#mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the light outer layer. All best, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Baums Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 15:52:38 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 17:52:38 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: <20141020125623.GJ2587@deepthought> Message-ID: Interesting. Thanks! So, was birch bark as a writing surface invented multiple times independently? And is the Russian version thicker than the Kashmiri, to support etching? ?Best, Dominik ? On 20 October 2014 14:56, Stefan Baums wrote: > Dear Dominik and Matthew, > > yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised > in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly > visible: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript#mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg > http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) > > It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions > (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since > the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the > light outer layer. > > All best, > Stefan > > -- > Dr. Stefan Baums > Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies > Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andra.kleb at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 16:18:14 2014 From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (Andrey Klebanov) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 18:18:14 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <69791549-03CD-4EDE-8A20-B0D8E48D8F5F@googlemail.com> The Russian site, to which the NYT links ( http://gramoty.ru ) contains, among others, this article - http://gramoty.ru/?id=general_info - that also explains that the letters were in most of the cases scratched with a metal stylus. Only two letters in the collection, so the same article, were written in ink (no mention of etching as far as I could see). And yes, there is definitely plenty of birch (as well as cultural references to it and birch-bark-handicrafts) in Russia! best, Andrey Klebanov On 20.10.2014, at 17:52, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Interesting. Thanks! > > So, was birch bark as a writing surface invented multiple times independently? > > And is the Russian version thicker than the Kashmiri, to support etching? > > ?Best, > Dominik > ? > > On 20 October 2014 14:56, Stefan Baums wrote: > Dear Dominik and Matthew, > > yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised > in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly > visible: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript#mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg > http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) > > It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions > (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since > the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the > light outer layer. > > All best, > Stefan > > -- > Dr. Stefan Baums > Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies > Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsalomon at u.washington.edu Mon Oct 20 20:12:25 2014 From: rsalomon at u.washington.edu (Richard Salomon) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 13:12:25 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: <20141020125623.GJ2587@deepthought> Message-ID: <54456CA9.9040006@u.washington.edu> Does anyone know of any good scholarly discussions of the Novgorod documents? They sound like the same sort of thing as the Vindolanda (Yorkshire) letters, which present fascinating slices of ordinary life back in the day. Nothing comparable from the ancient Indian world, unfortunately, although the Niya Kharosthi documents are somewhat close. Rich Salomon On 10/20/2014 5:56 AM, Stefan Baums wrote: > Dear Dominik and Matthew, > > yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised > in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly > visible: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript#mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg > http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) > > It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions > (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since > the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the > light outer layer. > > All best, > Stefan > -- ---------------------- Richard Salomon Department of Asian Languages and Literature University of Washington, Box 353521 Seattle WA 98195-3521 USA From asko.parpola at helsinki.fi Mon Oct 20 20:38:52 2014 From: asko.parpola at helsinki.fi (asko.parpola at helsinki.fi) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 23:38:52 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: <54456CA9.9040006@u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <20141020233852.Horde.KNWWBA6dkqwXLngDkQVFAA1@webmail.helsinki.fi> Dear Richard, Professor Jos Schaeken, who leads the international team of researchers studying these birchbark documents, has written such a preliminary discussion in Dutch: Schaeken, Jos, 2012. Stemmen op berkenbast. Berichten uit middeleeuws Rusland: Dagelijks leven en communicatie. Leiden: Leiden University Press. 176 pp. e-ISBN 978-94-0060-086-7. This is freely downloadable as an open access book at the address given by Professor Schaeken on his website, where the leaders of the international team are also mentioned: http://www.schaeken.nl/lu/research/index.htm Best regards, Asko Parpola Quoting Richard Salomon : > Does anyone know of any good scholarly discussions of the Novgorod > documents? They sound like the same sort of thing as the Vindolanda > (Yorkshire) letters, which present fascinating slices of ordinary > life back in the day. Nothing comparable from the ancient Indian > world, unfortunately, although the Niya Kharosthi documents are > somewhat close. > > Rich Salomon > > On 10/20/2014 5:56 AM, Stefan Baums wrote: >> Dear Dominik and Matthew, >> >> yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised >> in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly >> visible: >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript#mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg >> http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) >> >> It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions >> (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since >> the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the >> light outer layer. >> >> All best, >> Stefan >> > > -- > ---------------------- > > Richard Salomon > Department of Asian Languages and Literature > University of Washington, Box 353521 > Seattle WA 98195-3521 > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info From karp at uw.edu.pl Mon Oct 20 21:16:58 2014 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 23:16:58 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: <20141020233852.Horde.KNWWBA6dkqwXLngDkQVFAA1@webmail.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: A good Russian birchbark manuscripts site (*????????????? ?????????? ???????) *with over 1000 manuscripts dated 1050 - 1500 AD, at: http://gramoty.ru/index.php?key=bb Best, Artur Karp 2014-10-20 22:38 GMT+02:00 : > > Dear Richard, > > Professor Jos Schaeken, who leads the international team of researchers > studying > these birchbark documents, has written such a preliminary discussion in > Dutch: > > Schaeken, Jos, 2012. Stemmen op berkenbast. Berichten uit middeleeuws > Rusland: > Dagelijks leven en communicatie. Leiden: Leiden University Press. 176 pp. > e-ISBN 978-94-0060-086-7. > > This is freely downloadable as an open access book at the address > given by Professor Schaeken on his website, where the leaders of the > international team are also mentioned: http://www.schaeken.nl/lu/ > research/index.htm > > Best regards, Asko Parpola > > > > Quoting Richard Salomon : > > Does anyone know of any good scholarly discussions of the Novgorod >> documents? They sound like the same sort of thing as the Vindolanda >> (Yorkshire) letters, which present fascinating slices of ordinary life back >> in the day. Nothing comparable from the ancient Indian world, >> unfortunately, although the Niya Kharosthi documents are somewhat close. >> >> Rich Salomon >> >> On 10/20/2014 5:56 AM, Stefan Baums wrote: >> >>> Dear Dominik and Matthew, >>> >>> yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised >>> in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly >>> visible: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript# >>> mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg >>> http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) >>> >>> It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions >>> (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since >>> the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the >>> light outer layer. >>> >>> All best, >>> Stefan >>> >>> >> -- >> ---------------------- >> >> Richard Salomon >> Department of Asian Languages and Literature >> University of Washington, Box 353521 >> Seattle WA 98195-3521 >> USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Mon Oct 20 21:28:56 2014 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 14 23:28:56 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I realize now, the site is a part of Professor Schaeken's project: *Birchbark Literacy from Medieval Rus: Contents and Contexts (INTAS-Project Ref. Nr. 03-51-3867)* A. 2014-10-20 23:16 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp : > A good Russian birchbark manuscripts site (*????????????? ?????????? > ???????) *with over 1000 manuscripts dated 1050 - 1500 AD, at: > > http://gramoty.ru/index.php?key=bb > > Best, > > Artur Karp > > > > > > 2014-10-20 22:38 GMT+02:00 : > > >> Dear Richard, >> >> Professor Jos Schaeken, who leads the international team of researchers >> studying >> these birchbark documents, has written such a preliminary discussion in >> Dutch: >> >> Schaeken, Jos, 2012. Stemmen op berkenbast. Berichten uit middeleeuws >> Rusland: >> Dagelijks leven en communicatie. Leiden: Leiden University Press. 176 pp. >> e-ISBN 978-94-0060-086-7. >> >> This is freely downloadable as an open access book at the address >> given by Professor Schaeken on his website, where the leaders of the >> international team are also mentioned: http://www.schaeken.nl/lu/ >> research/index.htm >> >> Best regards, Asko Parpola >> >> >> >> Quoting Richard Salomon : >> >> Does anyone know of any good scholarly discussions of the Novgorod >>> documents? They sound like the same sort of thing as the Vindolanda >>> (Yorkshire) letters, which present fascinating slices of ordinary life back >>> in the day. Nothing comparable from the ancient Indian world, >>> unfortunately, although the Niya Kharosthi documents are somewhat close. >>> >>> Rich Salomon >>> >>> On 10/20/2014 5:56 AM, Stefan Baums wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dominik and Matthew, >>>> >>>> yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised >>>> in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly >>>> visible: >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript# >>>> mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg >>>> http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) >>>> >>>> It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions >>>> (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since >>>> the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the >>>> light outer layer. >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> Stefan >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> ---------------------- >>> >>> Richard Salomon >>> Department of Asian Languages and Literature >>> University of Washington, Box 353521 >>> Seattle WA 98195-3521 >>> USA >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Mon Oct 20 22:13:02 2014 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 14 00:13:02 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another website: http://bibliotekar.ru/nauka/45.htm And, for sure, scores of other equally interesting sites, Artur 2014-10-20 23:28 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp : > I realize now, the site is a part of Professor Schaeken's project: > > *Birchbark Literacy from Medieval Rus: Contents and Contexts > (INTAS-Project Ref. Nr. 03-51-3867)* > > > A. > > > > 2014-10-20 23:16 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp : > >> A good Russian birchbark manuscripts site (*????????????? ?????????? >> ???????) *with over 1000 manuscripts dated 1050 - 1500 AD, at: >> >> http://gramoty.ru/index.php?key=bb >> >> Best, >> >> Artur Karp >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-10-20 22:38 GMT+02:00 : >> >> >>> Dear Richard, >>> >>> Professor Jos Schaeken, who leads the international team of researchers >>> studying >>> these birchbark documents, has written such a preliminary discussion in >>> Dutch: >>> >>> Schaeken, Jos, 2012. Stemmen op berkenbast. Berichten uit middeleeuws >>> Rusland: >>> Dagelijks leven en communicatie. Leiden: Leiden University Press. 176 pp. >>> e-ISBN 978-94-0060-086-7. >>> >>> This is freely downloadable as an open access book at the address >>> given by Professor Schaeken on his website, where the leaders of the >>> international team are also mentioned: http://www.schaeken.nl/lu/ >>> research/index.htm >>> >>> Best regards, Asko Parpola >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Richard Salomon : >>> >>> Does anyone know of any good scholarly discussions of the Novgorod >>>> documents? They sound like the same sort of thing as the Vindolanda >>>> (Yorkshire) letters, which present fascinating slices of ordinary life back >>>> in the day. Nothing comparable from the ancient Indian world, >>>> unfortunately, although the Niya Kharosthi documents are somewhat close. >>>> >>>> Rich Salomon >>>> >>>> On 10/20/2014 5:56 AM, Stefan Baums wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dominik and Matthew, >>>>> >>>>> yes, plenty of birch in Russia. And the letters are incised >>>>> in the bark. Here two photos where that is more clearly >>>>> visible: >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript# >>>>> mediaviewer/File:Beresta.jpg >>>>> http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Novgorodwoodp.html (scroll down) >>>>> >>>>> It am not sure whether ink was rubbed into the incisions >>>>> (palm?leaf style), but this may have been unnecessary since >>>>> the incision made the darker lower bark visible through the >>>>> light outer layer. >>>>> >>>>> All best, >>>>> Stefan >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---------------------- >>>> >>>> Richard Salomon >>>> Department of Asian Languages and Literature >>>> University of Washington, Box 353521 >>>> Seattle WA 98195-3521 >>>> USA >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From torzsokjudit at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 08:57:00 2014 From: torzsokjudit at hotmail.com (Judit Torzsok) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 14 08:57:00 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037495D3C@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: I have found this one useful and fairly accurate (unlike many others that put in a lot of Viraamas) http://epandit.shrish.in/tools/IAST-DV-IAST/ But the devanaagarii will not be read properly in Word, of course. Judit T?rzs?k From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu To: indology at list.indology.info Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:44:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion Dear friends, I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient and accurate program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic accents are not needed.) with thanks in advance for your suggestions, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomaskintaert at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 09:34:42 2014 From: thomaskintaert at gmail.com (Thomas Kintaert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 14 11:34:42 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037495D3C@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: The following MS Word Macro does the trick for me: http://ebmp.org/downloads/Uni_Dev.txt It is 10 years old, so the instructions given for how to make it work have to be slightly modified for more recent versions of Word. Best, Thomas Kintaert On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Matthew Kapstein wrote: > Dear friends, > > I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient and > accurate > program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic > accents > are not needed.) > > with thanks in advance for your suggestions, > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Tue Oct 21 16:35:33 2014 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 14 16:35:33 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037495E51@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Many thanks to all who generously responded to my inquiry. I have not yet tested all of your proposals, but for my present, rather limited, purposes, http://sanskrit.uohyd.ernet.in/scl/transliteration/index.html suggested by Amba Kulkarni is fast and, it seems, accurate (this is my initial impression at least). many thanks again, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This seems a natural step for us as it builds in the growing interest in Puranas expressed, for example, at the most recent Dubrovnik International Conference on Sanskrit Epics and Puranas in August 2014. We are all well aware of much innovative scholarship being undertaken on Puranas, but we feel that it has been under-represented at recent WSCs, especially in the fields of Bhagavata studies, Devi traditions, regional puranas, performance, and so on. As co-convenors of this inaugural WSC Purana section, we wish to extend to you the warmest possible invitation to join us in Bangkok, to present your scholarship to a new and appreciative audience and to network with like-minded colleagues with similar interests. We are taking broad view of puranas and welcome contributions on mahatmyas, stotras and vratakatha as well. Help us make the first ever independent WSC Purana section the success it deserves to be. Please register your interest as soon as possible, and certainly before 15 October, by following this link: http://www.sanskrit-silpakorn.org/registration-form-wsc.php We would be most grateful if you could share this invitation with grad students or colleagues who may be interested. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Yours collegially Elizabeth Rohlman University of Calgary elizabeth.rohlman at ucalgary.ca McComas Taylor Australian National University mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au From wujastyk at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 06:31:24 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 08:31:24 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037495D3C@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: And if you're comfortable at the command line, John Smith's ur2ud program ( http://bombay.indology.info/software/programs/index.html) is a powerful little utility that makes it easy to go back and forth between Devanagari and Roman transliteration (all Unicode, various encodings). Best, Dominik On 21 October 2014 10:44, Matthew Kapstein wrote: > Dear friends, > > I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient and > accurate > program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic > accents > are not needed.) > > with thanks in advance for your suggestions, > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbelle at alumni.ubc.ca Wed Oct 22 09:02:33 2014 From: tbelle at alumni.ubc.ca (Tim Bellefleur) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 02:02:33 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037495D3C@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: To add to the flurry of options here, I have found the Sanskrit Library's transliteration tool quite useful for this purpose: http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/TranscodeText ?Cheers, Tim On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Matthew Kapstein wrote: > Dear friends, > > I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient and > accurate > program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic > accents > are not needed.) > > with thanks in advance for your suggestions, > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbalogh at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 11:06:15 2014 From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Balogh_D=C3=A1niel?=) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 13:06:15 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] A Rangasvami Sarasvati Message-ID: <54478FA7.9010405@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:35:26 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 14:35:26 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But Tim, those of us outside the USA have to be careful about the Sanskrit Library materials. When you use the SL, you have to agree to a lot of legal terms, including Software from this site is further subject to United States export controls. Software from this site may not be downloaded or otherwise exported or reexported outside the United States. By downloading or using the Software, you represent and warrant that you are not located in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any country or territory outside of the United States. If we use the transliteration program that you pointed to, it probably uploads software to our browser. For people outside the USA, that contravenes the terms of the SL agreement. Who cares, right? But still. Best, Dominik On 22 October 2014 11:02, Tim Bellefleur wrote: > To add to the flurry of options here, I have found the Sanskrit Library's > transliteration tool quite useful for this purpose: > http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/TranscodeText > > ?Cheers, > > Tim > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Matthew Kapstein > wrote: > >> Dear friends, >> >> I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient and >> accurate >> program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic >> accents >> are not needed.) >> >> with thanks in advance for your suggestions, >> Matthew >> >> Matthew Kapstein >> Directeur d'?tudes, >> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes >> >> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, >> The University of Chicago >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Wed Oct 22 13:06:23 2014 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 15:06:23 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion Message-ID: Another converter which should be mentionned (which also covers Grantha, and many other indian scripts) is Vinodh Rajan's aksharamukha converter. It is available at: http://www.virtualvinodh.com/wp/aksharamukha/" (The page states that: "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License.") There are 20 possibilities for the SOURCE and 20 possibilities for the TARGET. Cheers -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (CNRS, Paris) On 22/10/2014 14:35, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:> But Tim, those of us outside the USA have to be careful about the > Sanskrit Library materials. When you use the SL, you have to agree to a > lot of legal terms, including > > Software from this site is further subject to United States export > controls. Software from this site may not be downloaded or otherwise > exported or reexported outside the United States. By downloading or > using the Software, you represent and warrant that you are not located > in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any country or > territory outside of the United States. > > If we use the transliteration program that you pointed to, it probably > uploads software to our browser. For people outside the USA, that > contravenes the terms of the SL agreement. > > Who cares, right? But still. > > Best, > Dominik > > > On 22 October 2014 11:02, Tim Bellefleur > wrote: > > To add to the flurry of options here, I have found the Sanskrit > Library's transliteration tool quite useful for this purpose: > http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/TranscodeText > > ​Cheers, > > Tim > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Matthew Kapstein > > wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, > efficient and accurate > program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. > (Vedic accents > are not needed.) > > with thanks in advance for your suggestions, > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > From LubinT at wlu.edu Wed Oct 22 13:42:58 2014 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 13:42:58 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am not sure whether it has been mentioned or not, but I have long used a handy Word macro written a decade ago by Ferenc Ruzsa. It still works beautifully in my Word for Mac (just as it did when I used a PC). I simply insert it into the macros, and then assign a keystroke to invoke it (e.g., Command-0). There is one to convert Unicode transliteration to Unicode Devanagari, and another to reverse the process. Just select the text to be converted and press a button. If you want a space between a final consonant-with-vir?ma and the da??a, or to force a vir?ma, you need to insert two spaces after the Roman consonant. The Rom>Dev macro produces nice results in most Devanagari fonts. The macros are attached. Best wishes to all, Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin ? From: Tim Bellefleur > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:02 AM To: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion To add to the flurry of options here, I have found the Sanskrit Library's transliteration tool quite useful for this purpose: http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/TranscodeText ?Cheers, Tim On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Matthew Kapstein > wrote: Dear friends, I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient and accurate program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic accents are not needed.) with thanks in advance for your suggestions, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: RuzsaWordMacros.txt URL: From tbelle at alumni.ubc.ca Wed Oct 22 19:37:45 2014 From: tbelle at alumni.ubc.ca (Tim Bellefleur) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 14 12:37:45 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] query: roman>devanagari conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dominik, That is a very strange and I suspect not well thought-out line of the Sanskrit Library license. In any case, the transliteration tools I mentioned are simple webpage forms where the transliterating work is done on the server, so no software is downloaded, and since nothing is encrypted I believe US export controls are not relevant here. I'll reply in longer form off-list. Tim On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > But Tim, those of us outside the USA have to be careful about the Sanskrit > Library materials. When you use the SL, you have to agree to a lot of > legal terms, including > > Software from this site is further subject to United States export > controls. Software from this site may not be downloaded or otherwise > exported or reexported outside the United States. By downloading or using > the Software, you represent and warrant that you are not located in, under > the control of, or a national or resident of any country or territory > outside of the United States. > > If we use the transliteration program that you pointed to, it probably > uploads software to our browser. For people outside the USA, that > contravenes the terms of the SL agreement. > > Who cares, right? But still. > > Best, > Dominik > > > On 22 October 2014 11:02, Tim Bellefleur wrote: > >> To add to the flurry of options here, I have found the Sanskrit Library's >> transliteration tool quite useful for this purpose: >> http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/TranscodeText >> >> ?Cheers, >> >> Tim >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Matthew Kapstein >> wrote: >> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> I would appreciate recommendations for a readily available, efficient >>> and accurate >>> program to convert unicode Sanskrit romanization to devanagari. (Vedic >>> accents >>> are not needed.) >>> >>> with thanks in advance for your suggestions, >>> Matthew >>> >>> Matthew Kapstein >>> Directeur d'?tudes, >>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes >>> >>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, >>> The University of Chicago >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For details about the post, including benefits and how to apply, see the further particulars at http://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/further_particulars_classical_indology.pdf The closing date for applications is noon on Friday 21 November 2014. Interviews will be held on the morning of Thursday 11 December. Gary Tubb Professor, Dept. of South Asian Languages and Civilizations Faculty Director, The University of Chicago Center in Delhi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 09:56:34 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 14 11:56:34 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: <5444FBFE.9070507@fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: I am, in fact, aware that birch trees are ubiquitous in Europe and Russia. Sites of manufacture and distribution are a different matter. I don't suppose scribes just went into their nearby woods and scraped off some bark for their next Gospel project. On 20 October 2014 14:11, Ingo Strauch wrote: > Do you think, there aren't enough birch trees in Russia? > > Am 20.10.14 14:02, schrieb Dominik Wujastyk: > > > > http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/world/europe/where-mud-is-archaeological-gold-russian-history-grew-on-trees.html?referrer= > > etched? Doesn't seem likely, and doesn't look like it in the photo. > Kashmir was a major source of birchbark at this period. Could the Novgorod > scrolls be on bark from Kashmir? > Dominik Wujastyk, from Android phone. > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infohttp://listinfo.indology.info > > > > -- > Please, use for further mails MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS ingo.strauch at unil.ch. > > Prof. Dr. Ingo Strauch > Sanskrit et ?tudes Bouddhiques > > Universit? de Lausanne > Anthropole 4118 > CH-1015 Lausanne > > Phone ++41-(0)21-692-3005 > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi Thu Oct 23 10:04:53 2014 From: klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi (Klaus Karttunen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 14 13:04:53 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In Scandinavia and Russia birch bark was formerly used for many kinds of handicrafts, so bark was commonly collected and thus easily available. Best, Klaus Klaus Karttunen South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND Tel +358-(0)2941 4482418 Fax +358-(0)2941 22094 Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > I am, in fact, aware that birch trees are ubiquitous in Europe and Russia. Sites of manufacture and distribution are a different matter. I don't suppose scribes just went into their nearby woods and scraped off some bark for their next Gospel project. > > On 20 October 2014 14:11, Ingo Strauch wrote: > Do you think, there aren't enough birch trees in Russia? > > Am 20.10.14 14:02, schrieb Dominik Wujastyk: >> >> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/world/europe/where-mud-is-archaeological-gold-russian-history-grew-on-trees.html?referrer= >> >> etched? Doesn't seem likely, and doesn't look like it in the photo. Kashmir was a major source of birchbark at this period. Could the Novgorod scrolls be on bark from Kashmir? >> Dominik Wujastyk, from Android phone. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info > > > -- > Please, use for further mails MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS ingo.strauch at unil.ch. > > Prof. Dr. Ingo Strauch > Sanskrit et ?tudes Bouddhiques > > Universit? de Lausanne > Anthropole 4118 > CH-1015 Lausanne > > Phone ++41-(0)21-692-3005 > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 14:23:28 2014 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 14 19:53:28 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Section of Linguistics 16th WSC Bangkok 2015 / closing date for submission of abstracts 30 November 2014 Message-ID: 16th World Sanskrit Conference, Bangkok, Thailand 28 June?02 July 2015: Section of Linguistics New closing date for the submission of abstracts: 30 NOVEMBER 2014 Linguistics is one of the most widely recognized branches of science represented at all major universities in the world. It is also the scientific discipline where solid and clearly identifiable pioneering achievements of the Sanskrit tradition from the first millennium before CE onwards (in the form of the linguistic analyses of the Padak?ras, P??ini?s grammar, Bhartrhari?s linguistic theories, etc.) are most widely recognized. Abstracts of papers in the broad domain of Sanskrit Linguistics are invited preferably in English because of its general accessibility, but also, in view of its long-standing status as academic language in linguistics, in Sanskrit. All abstracts proposed for the Section of Linguistics will be judged in the same transparent way according to the originality of the contribution (ap?rvatva), the indication of evidence in the form of linguistic observations and citation of sources (pratyak?a), the theoretical framework (?gama), and, if applicable, a summary of the argument (anum?na). Papers which primarily deal with philological problems or with non-linguistic topics will be referred to one of the other Sections, for which please see: www.sanskrit-silpakorn.org/images/pdf/16th-WORLD-SANSKRIT-CONFERENCE.pdf where also the form for submission of the abstract can be found. Suggested areas of research: - linguistics of Sanskrit - linguistics of Vedic Sanskrit - linguistics of epic, hybrid, classical Sanskrit - Sanskrit and comparative linguistics - Sanskrit and language typology - sociolinguistics of Sanskrit and its relationship with Prakrit, Pali, Apabhra??a, medieval and modern Indian languages. - didactics of Sanskrit - linguistic, grammatical, morphological, syntactic, semantic issues in Sanskrit (... in Vedic, in epic ... Sanskrit) - linguistic theories in Sanskrit works - sanskrit and history of linguistics Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ? Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Sciences historiques et philologiques, Sorbonne ? 54, rue Saint-Jacques CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris ? France. johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Antivirus v?delme ellen?rizte azt. http://www.avast.com From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Thu Oct 23 16:24:46 2014 From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 14 05:24:46 +1300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Russian 14 cent. Birchbark MSS from Novgorod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <54492BCE.6060003@indica-et-buddhica.org> Dear Dominik, And as an aside ... we even had a popular medium of own: Brachyglottis repanda, Bushmans Friend, Rangiora http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/13866/rangiora-leaves The back of the leaf is easy to write on and was until relatively recently accepted by our Post Office, though you'd need a few bushes for a good sized project :) Best, Richard On 23/10/14 23:04, Klaus Karttunen wrote: > In Scandinavia and Russia birch bark was formerly used for many kinds > of handicrafts, so bark was commonly collected and thus easily > available. Best, Klaus > > Klaus Karttunen South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and > African Studies, Department of World Cultures PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 > B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND Tel +358-(0)2941 4482418 Fax > +358-(0)2941 22094 Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > >> I am, in fact, aware that birch trees are ubiquitous in Europe and >> Russia. Sites of manufacture and distribution are a different >> matter. I don't suppose scribes just went into their nearby woods >> and scraped off some bark for their next Gospel project. >> >> On 20 October 2014 14:11, Ingo Strauch > > wrote: >> >> Do you think, there aren't enough birch trees in Russia? >> >> Am 20.10.14 14:02, schrieb Dominik Wujastyk: >>> >>> >>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/world/europe/where-mud-is-archaeological-gold-russian-history-grew-on-trees.html?referrer= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> etched? Doesn't seem likely, and doesn't look like it in the >>> photo. Kashmir was a major source of birchbark at this period. >>> Could the Novgorod scrolls be on bark from Kashmir? Dominik >>> Wujastyk, from Android phone. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing >>> list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >> >> >> -- Please, use for further mails MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS >> ingo.strauch at unil.ch . >> >> Prof. Dr. Ingo Strauch Sanskrit et ?tudes Bouddhiques >> >> Universit? de Lausanne Anthropole 4118 CH-1015 Lausanne >> >> Phone ++41-(0)21-692-3005 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing >> list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing >> list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing > list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Richard Mahoney Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ M: +64-21-064-0216 T: +64-3-312-1699 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org http://indica-et-buddhica.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The title is probably ?Chandra-Gupta II > (Vikram?ditya) and his predecessor? > Thanks for any help in advance, > Daniel > > --- > A lev?l v?rus, ?s rosszindulat? k?d mentes, mert az avast! Antivirus > v?delme ellen?rizte azt. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info From soni at staff.uni-marburg.de Fri Oct 24 09:11:48 2014 From: soni at staff.uni-marburg.de (soni at staff.uni-marburg.de) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 14 11:11:48 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Second Announcement for the WSC in Bangkok, 2015 In-Reply-To: <20140728102212.Horde.DiLRvPGOlJQmWKep--R5Gw7@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <20141024111148.Horde.-GASb8vq5wE-cpC9p572_g5@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> For those of who do not know it yet, our colleagues in Bangkok have made the second announcement for the World Sanskrit Conference to be held in Bangkok from June 28-July 02, 2015. It has details of the venue, hotel and the excursions before and after the conference. One added piece of information to note is that we have extra time for the submission of abstracts. The final deadline for it now is November 30, 2014. Please do register as soon as you can, if you have not yet done so. You can then send your abstract by the end of November. Please go directly here: http://www.sanskrit-silpakorn.org/images/pdf/16th-WORLD-SANSKRIT-CONFERENCE-SECOND-ANNOUNCEMENT.pdf Or via this link which also has the first announcement and the online registration form: http://www.sanskrit-silpakorn.org Looking forward to seeing you in Bangkok, yours sincerely, Jay Soni Secretary General of the IASS -- From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 11:30:05 2014 From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 14 13:30:05 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Pau=E1=B9=A3kara_=C4=80gama_(J=C3=B1=C4=81nap=C4=81da)_with_the_Bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya_of_Um=C4=81pati_=C5=9Aiv=C4=81c=C4=81rya_(in_Grantha_script)?= Message-ID: I have been looking for a digital copy of the following title, but failed to find it on any online source. Would someone be kind enough to bring my attention to some source I am missing or is this title not digitalized at all. Thanks very much for the help in advance. Mrinal Kaul From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu Sat Oct 25 12:50:02 2014 From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 14 07:50:02 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query Message-ID: Dear All: An anthropologist friend of mine recalls a Sanskrit verse or proverb told him by a Kashmiri Brahmin regarding the significance of rebirth. I could not place it, and wonder whether there is anything in the literature that strikes a bell. "A village Brahmin was holding forth to me on the virtues of rebirth, saying it takes a long, long time in this Kali Yuga to complete the good works that one can and should do. For good effect, he rounded off in Sanskrit, which I did not take down carefully, explaining in Kashmiri: "We shall have to take birth time and again, and again". Now, what must he have said?" Thanks. Patrick From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Oct 25 13:20:04 2014 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 14 09:20:04 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Probably, he may have recited a verse like Bhagavadg?t? 6-45: *prayatn?d yatamanas tu* *yogi sa??uddha-kilbi?a?* *aneka-janma-samsiddhas* *tato y?ti par?m gatim* *Madhav Deshpande* On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > Dear All: > > An anthropologist friend of mine recalls a Sanskrit verse or proverb told > him by a Kashmiri Brahmin regarding the significance of rebirth. I could > not place it, and wonder whether there is anything in the literature that > strikes a bell. > > "A village Brahmin was holding forth to me on the virtues of rebirth, > saying it takes a long, long time in this Kali Yuga to complete the good > works that one can and should do. For good effect, he rounded off in > Sanskrit, which I did not take down carefully, explaining in Kashmiri: "We > shall have to take birth time and again, and again". Now, what must he have > said?" > > Thanks. > > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I could >> not place it, and wonder whether there is anything in the literature that >> strikes a bell. >> >> "A village Brahmin was holding forth to me on the virtues of rebirth, >> saying it takes a long, long time in this Kali Yuga to complete the good >> works that one can and should do. For good effect, he rounded off in >> Sanskrit, which I did not take down carefully, explaining in Kashmiri: "We >> shall have to take birth time and again, and again". Now, what must he have >> said?" >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Patrick >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > > > -- > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics > Department of Asian Languages and Cultures > 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 > The University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA > > > > -- > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics > Department of Asian Languages and Cultures > 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 > The University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jenni.cover at ursys.com.au Sun Oct 26 02:07:17 2014 From: jenni.cover at ursys.com.au (Jennifer Cover) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 14 13:07:17 +1100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query Message-ID: Dear Patrick, Another possible Sanskrit verse ? from a Kashmir source ?from Bodhas?ra by Narahari (in a section on the 7 steps of knowledge in R?ja Yoga) ath? ca v?si??he | cal?r?avayugacchidrak?rmagr?v?prave?avat | anekajanman?mante vivek? j?yate pum?n ||17|| Also in the work called Yogav?si??ha, 17. Just like the head of a struggling turtle finally surfaces into a calm in the midst of innumerable turbulent waves, so a person finally becomes discerning after many births. (Cover, Jennifer and Grahame (2014). Bodhasara The surprise of awareness, Createspace, USA, p174-175) (Narahari (1905). Bodhas?ra (with a commentary by Div?kara), Benares Sanskrit series. Benares: Chowkhamba Sanskrit Book Depot, p223) F/N (Cover p175-176) Yogav?si??ha (Nirv??aprakara?am Book 6.1 Section 126, verse 4) (Yogav?si??ha of V?lm?ki 1984:1050) and Laghu Yogav?si??ha (Laghu-Yogav?si??ha 6.15.14). The sense here is that it is extremely difficult to become discerning. There are seven steps of knowledge, but even to begin on the first step takes effort, and possibly many births. The difficulty of a struggling turtle finally surfacing into a calm in the midst of innumerable turbulent waves, is a clear metaphor for the level of difficulty. Mark Allon has found a short s?tra, for which this same powerful image is central, in the third of six texts written on scroll 22 ([recto]II. 31-56) of the G?ndh?r? texts preserved in the Senior collection of Kharo??h? Buddhist manuscripts (Allon 2006).([recto]II. 31-56) of the G?ndh?r? texts preserved in the Senior collection of Kharo??h? Buddhist manuscripts (Allon 2006). Jennifer Sydney On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > I am posting the verse again, with some missing diacritics: > > *prayatn?d yatam?nas tu* > *yog? sa??uddha-kilbi?a?* > *aneka-janma-samsiddhas* > *tato y?ti par?m gatim* > > *Bhagavadg?t? 6.45* > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > >> >> Probably, he may have recited a verse like Bhagavadg?t? 6-45: >> >> *prayatn?d yatamanas tu* >> *yogi sa??uddha-kilbi?a?* >> *aneka-janma-samsiddhas* >> *tato y?ti par?m gatim* >> >> *Madhav Deshpande* >> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Patrick Olivelle >> wrote: >> >>> Dear All: >>> >>> An anthropologist friend of mine recalls a Sanskrit verse or proverb >>> told him by a Kashmiri Brahmin regarding the significance of rebirth. I >>> could not place it, and wonder whether there is anything in the literature >>> that strikes a bell. >>> >>> "A village Brahmin was holding forth to me on the virtues of rebirth, >>> saying it takes a long, long time in this Kali Yuga to complete the good >>> works that one can and should do. For good effect, he rounded off in >>> Sanskrit, which I did not take down carefully, explaining in Kashmiri: "We >>> shall have to take birth time and again, and again". Now, what must he have >>> said?" >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Patrick >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> >> >> -- >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics >> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures >> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 >> The University of Michigan >> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA >> >> ____________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Sun Oct 26 11:20:07 2014 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 14 11:20:07 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED037496B21@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu> Dear Jennifer, This takes us away from Patrick's original question, but the parable of the turtle in the ocean is very well known to Buddhist sources. In Praj~n?karamati's comments on Bodhicary?vat?ra 1.4, for example, we read: mah?r?avayugacchidrak?rmagr?v?rpa?opam? "Like the turtle's neck that reaches the opening of a yoke in the great ocean..." Buddhist sources understand yuga here literally as a yoke floating on a turbulent sea, and interpret the metaphor to mean that it as difficult to obtain fortunate human birth as it is for an old blind sea turtle to surface and by chance put his neck through a yoke floating in the waves. best, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gok-8 at spro.net Sun Oct 26 17:39:23 2014 From: gok-8 at spro.net (jo) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 14 11:39:23 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Any Buddhist ideas esp. in Pali Canon re genetic inheritance? Message-ID: <002101cff143$c83edea0$58bc9be0$@spro.net> Dear List, I mean to say, genetically inherited health conditions where explanations or thoughts about this are not merely allusions to bad consequences from previous lives' sins? That is, I wonder if any commentators would have observed how such health problems appeared over, say, 2-3 generations in the same extended families. I'm excluding terminal deformities from said health conditions. Was diabetes known, for ex.? Severe joint syndromes? (However, maybe people didn't live long enough to compare.) Best wishes, Joanna Kirkpatrick [retired] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de Mon Oct 27 07:22:16 2014 From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 08:22:16 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20141027082216.Horde.WVHTznCOaMUncQuSJLWAbw9@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> As far as "Yogav?si??ha" VI.126.4 (= "Laghuyogav?si??ha" VI.15.14) is concerned, the following publication is of essential importance: J?rgen Hanneder: "Dreams and other States of Consciousness in the Mok?op?ya". In: Claudine Bautze-Picron (Ed.): The Indian Night. Sleep and Dream in Indian Culture?. Delhi 2009, pp. 65?99. Best, Roland Steiner > Also in the work called Yogav?si??ha, > > 17.? ? Just like the head of a struggling turtle > ? ? ? ??? finally surfaces into a calm > ? ? ? ? ? in the midst of? innumerable turbulent waves, > ? ? ? ? ? so a person finally becomes discerning after many births. > > (Cover, Jennifer and Grahame (2014). Bodhasara The surprise of awareness, Createspace, USA, p174-175 > (Narahari (1905). Bodhas?ra (with a commentary by Div?kara), Benares Sanskrit series. Benares: Chowkhamba > Sanskrit Book Depot, p223) > > F/N (Cover p175-176) > Yogav?si??ha (Nirv??aprakara?am Book 6.1 Section 126, verse 4) > (Yogav?si??ha of V?lm?ki 1984:1050) and Laghu Yogav?si??ha > (Laghu-Yogav?si??ha 6.15.14). The sense here is that it is extremely difficult to become discerning. There are seven > steps of knowledge, but even to begin on the first step takes effort, and possibly many births. The difficulty of a > struggling turtle finally surfacing into a calm in the midst of? innumerable turbulent waves, is a clear metaphor for the > level of difficulty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just like the head of a struggling turtle finally surfaces into a calm in the midst of innumerable turbulent waves, so a person finally becomes discerning after many births. Div?kara tells of the space in the middle of a pair of waves (yuga he interprets as yugman). Jennifer On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Matthew Kapstein wrote: > Dear Jennifer, > > This takes us away from Patrick's original question, but the parable of > the turtle in the > ocean is very well known to Buddhist sources. In Praj~n?karamati's > comments on > Bodhicary?vat?ra 1.4, for example, we read: > > mah?r?avayugacchidrak?rmagr?v?rpa?opam? > "Like the turtle's neck that reaches the opening of a yoke in the great > ocean..." > > Buddhist sources understand yuga here literally as a yoke floating on a > turbulent sea, > and interpret the metaphor to mean that it as difficult to obtain > fortunate human birth as it is > for an old blind sea turtle to surface and by chance put his neck through > a yoke > floating in the waves. > > best, > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What is this critical mass? The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to issues of personality and local dynamics. Best, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Oct 27 14:44:07 2014 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a department in the hospital! Madhav On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such > German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. > In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger > unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental > Studies), Philosophy or History. > > Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what > reasons? > > Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many > Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty > member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or > Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members > (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its > own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? > > The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also > therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources > (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With > whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to > issues of personality and local dynamics. > > Best, > Dominik > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 15:31:23 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 16:31:23 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav, Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? Best, Dominik On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of > these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" > survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of > Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. > in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has > been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to > someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a > department in the hospital! > > Madhav > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > >> In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such >> German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. >> In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger >> unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental >> Studies), Philosophy or History. >> >> Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what >> reasons? >> >> Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many >> Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty >> member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or >> Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members >> (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its >> own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? >> >> The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also >> therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources >> (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With >> whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to >> issues of personality and local dynamics. >> >> Best, >> Dominik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://listinfo.indology.info >> > > > > -- > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics > Department of Asian Languages and Cultures > 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 > The University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu Mon Oct 27 16:00:38 2014 From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 11:00:38 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <75AE2577-7870-4717-9547-83A1BF7952B0@uts.cc.utexas.edu> Dominik, Madhav, and all: My own experience being a Chair for longer than I care to remember is that there is no one "optimum" institutional setting or home for "Indology", by which we mean, I think, the study of classical/ancient India. It is easy to come up with abstract optimum settings, but they are of little value unless local conditions are taken into account. As we know, all "classical" studies are under institutional and budgetary threat -- note the elimination of classical archeology etc. even in Britain. My experience is "being small means being under threat". So, it is safer to have a broader and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments can be better managed to satisfy the number crunchers. In the US, in general Indological areas are represented in several larger settings: South Asian Studies, Asian Studies (thus including East Asia), and Religious Studies. Individual Indological faculty members may be located in other departments: Classics (Brown), History, Linguistics, etc. I think the most advantageous setting is Departments of South Asian OR Asian Studies, mainly because all areas of Indology can be represented there -- from Philology, Grammar, and Literature to Mathematics, Philosophy, and Medicine. Religion Departments offer only a narrow spectrum, but because they are many in the US they do offer the best employment opportunities to our students!! Patrick On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Dear Madhav, > > Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? > > Best, > Dominik > > > On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a department in the hospital! > > Madhav > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental Studies), Philosophy or History. > > Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what reasons? > > Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? > > The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to issues of personality and local dynamics. > > Best, > Dominik > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > -- > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics > Department of Asian Languages and Cultures > 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 > The University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de Mon Oct 27 16:03:36 2014 From: michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Michaels, Axel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 17:03:36 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: <75AE2577-7870-4717-9547-83A1BF7952B0@uts.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: Dear all, For the names German Indological institutes and their combinations with other disciplines or embedding in larger frames see http://www.indologie.info/ (in German and somewhat outdated but still informative). Best, Axel From: Patrick Olivelle > Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 5:00 PM To: Dominik Wujastyk > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy Dominik, Madhav, and all: My own experience being a Chair for longer than I care to remember is that there is no one "optimum" institutional setting or home for "Indology", by which we mean, I think, the study of classical/ancient India. It is easy to come up with abstract optimum settings, but they are of little value unless local conditions are taken into account. As we know, all "classical" studies are under institutional and budgetary threat -- note the elimination of classical archeology etc. even in Britain. My experience is "being small means being under threat". So, it is safer to have a broader and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments can be better managed to satisfy the number crunchers. In the US, in general Indological areas are represented in several larger settings: South Asian Studies, Asian Studies (thus including East Asia), and Religious Studies. Individual Indological faculty members may be located in other departments: Classics (Brown), History, Linguistics, etc. I think the most advantageous setting is Departments of South Asian OR Asian Studies, mainly because all areas of Indology can be represented there -- from Philology, Grammar, and Literature to Mathematics, Philosophy, and Medicine. Religion Departments offer only a narrow spectrum, but because they are many in the US they do offer the best employment opportunities to our students!! Patrick On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: Dear Madhav, Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? Best, Dominik On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a department in the hospital! Madhav On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental Studies), Philosophy or History. Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what reasons? Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to issues of personality and local dynamics. Best, Dominik _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Oct 27 16:06:13 2014 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 12:06:13 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: <75AE2577-7870-4717-9547-83A1BF7952B0@uts.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: Just to add a footnote to Patrick's message, I agree with him that "So, it is safer to have a broader and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments can be better managed to satisfy the number crunchers." In my own Department of Asian Languages and Cultures at the University of Michigan, the large enrollments in courses like Introduction to Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism (sometimes touching 300 students) help raise the average enrollments for the whole department, and allow us to teach some classes with smaller enrollments. But there is also a question of different levels of external funding available for different areas within Asian Studies. The areas of China, Japan and Korea almost always have greater external financial sources than the areas of India or South East Asia. Within South Asian Studies, there are more external funding resources available for studies of modern South Asia, rather than those of classical South Asia. That is a general pattern that I have observed over the years. Madhav On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > Dominik, Madhav, and all: > > My own experience being a Chair for longer than I care to remember is that > there is no one "optimum" institutional setting or home for "Indology", by > which we mean, I think, the study of classical/ancient India. It is easy to > come up with abstract optimum settings, but they are of little value unless > local conditions are taken into account. As we know, all "classical" > studies are under institutional and budgetary threat -- note the > elimination of classical archeology etc. even in Britain. My experience is > "being small means being under threat". So, it is safer to have a broader > and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments can be better > managed to satisfy the number crunchers. In the US, in general Indological > areas are represented in several larger settings: South Asian Studies, > Asian Studies (thus including East Asia), and Religious Studies. Individual > Indological faculty members may be located in other departments: Classics > (Brown), History, Linguistics, etc. I think the most advantageous setting > is Departments of South Asian OR Asian Studies, mainly because all areas of > Indology can be represented there -- from Philology, Grammar, and > Literature to Mathematics, Philosophy, and Medicine. Religion Departments > offer only a narrow spectrum, but because they are many in the US they do > offer the best employment opportunities to our students!! > > Patrick > > > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > Dear Madhav, > > Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the > pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? > > Best, > Dominik > > > On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of >> these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" >> survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of >> Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. >> in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has >> been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to >> someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a >> department in the hospital! >> >> Madhav >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk >> wrote: >> >>> In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such >>> German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. >>> In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger >>> unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental >>> Studies), Philosophy or History. >>> >>> Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what >>> reasons? >>> >>> Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many >>> Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty >>> member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or >>> Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members >>> (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its >>> own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? >>> >>> The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also >>> therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources >>> (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With >>> whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to >>> issues of personality and local dynamics. >>> >>> Best, >>> Dominik >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics >> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures >> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 >> The University of Michigan >> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greg Bailey From: Patrick Olivelle > Date: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 3:00 AM To: Dominik Wujastyk > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy Dominik, Madhav, and all: My own experience being a Chair for longer than I care to remember is that there is no one "optimum" institutional setting or home for "Indology", by which we mean, I think, the study of classical/ancient India. It is easy to come up with abstract optimum settings, but they are of little value unless local conditions are taken into account. As we know, all "classical" studies are under institutional and budgetary threat -- note the elimination of classical archeology etc. even in Britain. My experience is "being small means being under threat". So, it is safer to have a broader and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments can be better managed to satisfy the number crunchers. In the US, in general Indological areas are represented in several larger settings: South Asian Studies, Asian Studies (thus including East Asia), and Religious Studies. Individual Indological faculty members may be located in other departments: Classics (Brown), History, Linguistics, etc. I think the most advantageous setting is Departments of South Asian OR Asian Studies, mainly because all areas of Indology can be represented there -- from Philology, Grammar, and Literature to Mathematics, Philosophy, and Medicine. Religion Departments offer only a narrow spectrum, but because they are many in the US they do offer the best employment opportunities to our students!! Patrick On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: Dear Madhav, Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? Best, Dominik On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a department in the hospital! Madhav On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental Studies), Philosophy or History. Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what reasons? Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to issues of personality and local dynamics. Best, Dominik _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcoleman at ColoradoCollege.edu Mon Oct 27 22:03:21 2014 From: tcoleman at ColoradoCollege.edu (Tracy Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 22:03:21 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1414447400150.36345@ColoradoCollege.edu> ?Indologists -ji, I would add that Indology can also survive if wealthy donors endow programs at institutions that are willing to accept money for such purposes. The Asian Studies program at my college was established directly as a result of such funding. Unfortunately, the donor favored East Asia, and the program has thus developed primarily in that direction. But donors could specify support for Asia more broadly, or they could endow a program in South Asian Studies specifically. So! All of you wealthy Indologist patrons out there: give lots of money to your favorite institution and create more jobs for all of our current and future students of South Asia, no matter their particular disciplines!!! Cheers to All Tracy Coleman ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Greg Bailey Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:56 PM To: Patrick Olivelle; Dominik Wujastyk Cc: Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy Patrick, Dominik and Madhav, I agree entirely with Patrick's sentiments. Indology will only survive in a larger department, usually of Asian Studies or Religious Studies. In Australia the situation is very difficult and even Asian Studies is under threat. The Neo-Liberal state is concerned only with knowledge?preferably information?that can be measured in numerical terms. Greg Bailey From: Patrick Olivelle > Date: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 3:00 AM To: Dominik Wujastyk > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy Dominik, Madhav, and all: My own experience being a Chair for longer than I care to remember is that there is no one "optimum" institutional setting or home for "Indology", by which we mean, I think, the study of classical/ancient India. It is easy to come up with abstract optimum settings, but they are of little value unless local conditions are taken into account. As we know, all "classical" studies are under institutional and budgetary threat -- note the elimination of classical archeology etc. even in Britain. My experience is "being small means being under threat". So, it is safer to have a broader and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments can be better managed to satisfy the number crunchers. In the US, in general Indological areas are represented in several larger settings: South Asian Studies, Asian Studies (thus including East Asia), and Religious Studies. Individual Indological faculty members may be located in other departments: Classics (Brown), History, Linguistics, etc. I think the most advantageous setting is Departments of South Asian OR Asian Studies, mainly because all areas of Indology can be represented there -- from Philology, Grammar, and Literature to Mathematics, Philosophy, and Medicine. Religion Departments offer only a narrow spectrum, but because they are many in the US they do offer the best employment opportunities to our students!! Patrick On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: Dear Madhav, Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? Best, Dominik On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a department in the hospital! Madhav On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental Studies), Philosophy or History. Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what reasons? Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to issues of personality and local dynamics. Best, Dominik _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hermantull at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 22:23:08 2014 From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 18:23:08 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: <1414447400150.36345@ColoradoCollege.edu> Message-ID: This has an interesting history in American education. W. D. Whitney's salary was paid through an endowment set up for Whitney by his predecessor, E. E. Salisbury. (When Whitney nearly jumped ship to go to Harvard, Salisbury significantly increased the endowment.) Whitney's appointment was not originally to Yale College, but to their nascent graduate school, The Department of Philosophy and the Arts. Based on the German model, it was the first institution to grant the PhD in the US. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Tracy Coleman wrote: > ?Indologists -ji, > > > I would add that Indology can also survive if wealthy donors endow > programs at institutions that are willing to accept money for such > purposes. The Asian Studies program at my college was established directly > as a result of such funding. Unfortunately, the donor favored East Asia, > and the program has thus developed primarily in that direction. But donors > could specify support for Asia more broadly, or they could endow a program > in South Asian Studies specifically. So! All of you wealthy Indologist > patrons out there: give lots of money to your favorite institution and > create more jobs for all of our current and future students of South Asia, > no matter their particular disciplines!!! > > > Cheers to All > > Tracy Coleman > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of Greg > Bailey > *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 3:56 PM > *To:* Patrick Olivelle; Dominik Wujastyk > *Cc:* Indology > > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy > > Patrick, Dominik and Madhav, > > I agree entirely with Patrick's sentiments. Indology will only survive > in a larger department, usually of Asian Studies or Religious Studies. In > Australia the situation is very difficult and even Asian Studies is under > threat. The Neo-Liberal state is concerned only with knowledge?preferably > information?that can be measured in numerical terms. > > Greg Bailey > > From: Patrick Olivelle > Date: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 3:00 AM > To: Dominik Wujastyk > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy > > Dominik, Madhav, and all: > > My own experience being a Chair for longer than I care to remember is > that there is no one "optimum" institutional setting or home for > "Indology", by which we mean, I think, the study of classical/ancient > India. It is easy to come up with abstract optimum settings, but they are > of little value unless local conditions are taken into account. As we know, > all "classical" studies are under institutional and budgetary threat -- > note the elimination of classical archeology etc. even in Britain. My > experience is "being small means being under threat". So, it is safer to > have a broader and larger home in which factors such as student enrollments > can be better managed to satisfy the number crunchers. In the US, in > general Indological areas are represented in several larger settings: South > Asian Studies, Asian Studies (thus including East Asia), and Religious > Studies. Individual Indological faculty members may be located in other > departments: Classics (Brown), History, Linguistics, etc. I think the most > advantageous setting is Departments of South Asian OR Asian Studies, mainly > because all areas of Indology can be represented there -- from Philology, > Grammar, and Literature to Mathematics, Philosophy, and Medicine. Religion > Departments offer only a narrow spectrum, but because they are many in the > US they do offer the best employment opportunities to our students!! > > Patrick > > > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > > Dear Madhav, > > Yes, quite. So, could you reframe the basic question as one about the > pros and cons of different institutional locations of "South Asian Studies"? > > Best, > Dominik > > > On 27 October 2014 15:44, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> In most American Universities, the word "Indology" is almost unheard of >> these days. After Edward Said's "Orientalism", the word "Oriental" >> survives in a few universities only as an exception. The Department of >> Oriental Studies at the University of Pennsylvania where I earned my Ph.D. >> in 1972 became Asian and Middle Eastern Studies in 1992. "India" has >> been largely replaced by "South Asia" in most places. Once I introduced to >> someone as being an Indologist, and the person asked me if that was a >> department in the hospital! >> >> Madhav >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk >> wrote: >> >>> In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, >>> such German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of >>> Classics. In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere >>> within a larger unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies >>> (or Oriental Studies), Philosophy or History. >>> >>> Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what >>> reasons? >>> >>> Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many >>> Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty >>> member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or >>> Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members >>> (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its >>> own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? >>> >>> The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also >>> therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources >>> (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With >>> whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to >>> issues of personality and local dynamics. >>> >>> Best, >>> Dominik >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics >> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures >> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 >> The University of Michigan >> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- *Herman TullPrinceton, NJ * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tccahill at loyno.edu Mon Oct 27 22:29:38 2014 From: tccahill at loyno.edu (Tim Cahill) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 17:29:38 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <544EC752.5050907@loyno.edu> Greg, Dominik, Madhav, Patrick and everybody, Does anyone know if Sanskrit language has been used to fulfill a requirement outside of the Humanities? I know of "crossover" courses in computer science that fulfilled language requirements. Teaching programming courses (html 5) to undergrads as an Natural Science course is interesting example. Any successful attempts to promote or extend the "algebraic" aspects of Sanskrit language (or any technical Indological topic) to meet general curricular requirements? Incidentally, Stanley Insler was part of an external review team that came to Penn over two decades back. The team *strongly* recommended that our large and broad Department of Oriental Studies stay together, despite the stated goal of administrators to break it up. They eventually succeeded, but the report certainly helped the department stay unified through the renamed "Asian & Middle Eastern Studies"department mentioned earlier. It is also worth noting that the divided parts of that unit are still fairly large. best, Tim Cahill Loyola University New Orleans From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 23:37:00 2014 From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 14 23:37:00 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Responses have so far mainly come from our colleagues in the US, revealing patterns broadly comparable with what I remember from when I was working in the Netherlands and what I know to be true elsewhere. Especially the natural law that East Asia always gets (much) more external funding than do South and Southeast Asia rung very true; I think the same holds everywhere for student enrolment in the various areas (Southeast Asia, or rather its constituent parts, being lowest on the totem pole, behind South Asia and East Asia). I think the situation in France is un peu diff?rente, but I do not dare to attempt a summary; other members of the list have more direct experience than I do. Maybe it would be useful for Dominik to state the background of his questions? Arlo GriffithsEFEO Jakarta (soon to be Paris/Lyon) From: wujastyk at gmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:14:19 +0100 To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In Germany, there are (still) departments of Indology. In a sense, such German departments are conceptually parallel to departments of Classics. In most universities elsewhere, Indology "lives" somewhere within a larger unit, such as Religious Studies, Classics, Asian Studies (or Oriental Studies), Philosophy or History. Institutionally speaking, where does Indology flourish best? For what reasons? Clearly there are determining issues, perhaps principally, "how many Indologists are we talking about?" If there is one Indological faculty member, she would normally be appointed within History, Philosophy or Religious Studies, etc. But if there are three or four faculty members (not so common?), a critical mass is beginning to form that requires its own institutional recognition. What is this critical mass? The faculty or department with which Indology shares space will also therefore form the main group of competitors for Indological resources (faculty positions, library budget, teaching room allocation, etc.). With whom do Indologists compete successfully? Perhaps this always reduces to issues of personality and local dynamics. Best, Dominik _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From venetia.ansell at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 07:43:26 2014 From: venetia.ansell at gmail.com (Venetia Kotamraju) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 14 13:13:26 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Experience pushkara snaanam ritual in the Godavari river in July 2015 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear list, A friend of a friend is organising a first hand experience of the upcoming Godavari Pushkara in Andhra Pradesh for those who are interested. They are keen that the event is experienced by as many non-Indians and/or members of the Indian diaspora as possible. As this invitation may be of interest to many list members, and their students/colleagues, I am passing the message on via this list. Please see the email below for details and contact them directly. Thanks Venetia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sai Susarla Date: Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:29 AM Subject: Experience pushkara snaanam ritual in the Godavari river in July 2015 To: Venetia Kotamraju Cc: Usha Kompella namaste Venetia bhagini, As I mentioned to you over phone today, I'd like to invite your family to a special event in July. Please circulate to interested parties as well. Godavari pushkaras are coming up in July. A pushkara is a once-in-12-year holy event where a particular river's water gets spiritually charged, and a river bath during that time is both healing and highly elevating spiritually. Godavari is one of the 7 most holy rivers of India that goes through Andhra Pradesh state, the lush green granary of South India. An organization called Saundarya lahari is arranging to provide the experience of traditional Indian rituals to interested non-Indians and NRIs (non-resident Indians). This initiative is taken by my guru varya, Sri karunaamaya (diiksha naama of Sri Kompella Subba Rao, an accomplished Sri-vidyaa aachaarya in Rajamundry). His YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb750k3jqC9mD0P9Hp15Kug I will send out a formal invitation with the exact dates in a follow-up mail, but the program consists of 1) arrangement for a 3-4 day stay in Rajamundry with comfortable accommodation and local travel. 2) pushkara snaana in a special ghat of the Godavari river during those days (isolated from the crowd. They are arranging a few VIP passes from the local govt). 3) First-hand experience performing a short homam (Vedic fire ritual) by themselves. 4) introduction to the ritual side of Indian spirituality with its deeper psychological significance. They are trying to put an upper limit of 40-50 slots for logistics, and need confirmation by February 2015 time frame to make all the arrangements. They're planning to publicize this event in local media to raise awareness about the respect for Indian traditions among non-Indians. If you know of any non-Indians and/or NRIs who might be interested, please forward this message to them and ask them to contact the organization directly at srichakra9 at yahoo.com (also Cc'ed). bhavadiiyaH, - Sai. -- Venetia Kotamraju +91 997230 5440 www.rasalabooks.com www.venetiaansell.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 09:54:59 2014 From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 14 10:54:59 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vessantara-Jataka Message-ID: <82588A328908412095123CEB74A32EEF@HeinersPC> Dear listmembers, continous paintings of the Vessantara-Jataka murals in Sri Lankan monasteries depict always an episode which I cannot trace back to Pali-, buddhist Sanskrit or Tibetean sources. It is the following episode (picture attached): the Brahman Jujaka gets for the release of Vessantara's daughter golden coins accoring to the weight of this girl. The murals depicting always a balance with K???ajal? (the daughter) sitting in one scale pan, coins are visible the second pan. Now I could find the description of this part of the mural in the Sinhalese tradition (13th century). Did anyone came across literal descriptions with a similar content? Probably in Chinese, Burmese or Siam sources? Best Heiner (Rolf Heinrich Koch) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: VessantaraWaage.Kasagala.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 422761 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For a context, see my "Karma accounts: supplementary thoughts on Therav?da, Madhyamaka, theosophy, and Protestant Buddhism, Religion, 43:4, 487-498, with an addendum https://www.academia.edu/4245222/Karma_accounts_supplementary_thoughts_on_Therav%C4%81da_Madhyamaka_theosophy_and_Protestant_Buddhism As far as I know, the best recent work on the *t?l?purus?a *belongs to Annette Schmiedchen: 2003. ?Die T?l?purus?a-Zeremonie: Das rituelle Aufwiegen des Herrschers gegen Gold.? Beitr?ge des S?dasien-Instituts der Humboldt-Universit?t zu Berlin 12: 21?49. and 2006. The Ceremony of T?l?purus?a: The Puranic Concept and the Epigraphical Evidence. In Script and Image. Papers on Art and Epigraphy, eds. Adalbert J. Gail, Gerd J. R. Mevissen, Richard Salomon, Proceedings of the 12th World Sanskrit Conference 11.1, New Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 145?184. Kind regards, Eugen Ciurtin (Institute for the History of Religions, Bucharest) 2014-10-28 11:54 GMT+02:00 Rolf Heinrich Koch : > Dear listmembers, > continous paintings of the Vessantara-Jataka murals in Sri Lankan > monasteries > depict always an episode which I cannot trace back to Pali-, buddhist > Sanskrit or > Tibetean sources. > > It is the following episode (picture attached): > the Brahman Jujaka gets for the release of Vessantara's daughter > golden coins accoring to the weight of this girl. The murals depicting > always a balance with K???ajal? (the daughter) sitting in one > scale pan, coins are visible the second pan. > > Now I could find the description of this part of the mural in the > Sinhalese tradition (13th century). > Did anyone came across literal descriptions with a similar content? > Probably in Chinese, Burmese or Siam sources? > > Best > > Heiner > > (Rolf Heinrich Koch) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Dr E. Ciurtin Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions www.easr.eu Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711 Phone: 00 40 733 951 953 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It appears Derge 'Dul ba Kha232a-b: de nas lha rnams kyi dbang po brgya byin gyis bus pa gzhon nu khyer ba'i bram ze ji ltar thams cad kyi grong rdal du 'tshong bar brtsams pa de ltar rmongs par byas so// de gnyis rgyal po'i zho shas 'tsho ba rnams kyis mthong nas de rnams rgyal po'i drung du dong ste smras pa/ bus pa nag po dang/ dra ba can ni bram ze zhig tshong 'dus na 'tshong zhing mchis (Kha232b) lags so// des bsgo ba/ shes ldan dag deng la khrid de shog shig/ de gnyis khrid de 'ongs pa dang/ rgyal pos srang la bcal te mnyam du gser gyis blus so// Here the Brahmin sells Prince Vi?vantara's son K???a (nag po) and daughter J?lin? (dra ba can), and the king, Vi?vantara's father, saves his grandchildren, paying gold according to the weight of the children. This part is missing in the extant Sanskrit manuscript of the Bhai?ajyavastu, and the Chinese translation and a parallel story in the Sa?ghabhedavastu does not say that the king had the children weighed and payed gold for them. I hope this would be useful to you. Sincerely, Fumi Yao 2014-10-28 18:54 GMT+09:00 Rolf Heinrich Koch : > Dear listmembers, > continous paintings of the Vessantara-Jataka murals in Sri Lankan > monasteries > depict always an episode which I cannot trace back to Pali-, buddhist > Sanskrit or > Tibetean sources. > > It is the following episode (picture attached): > the Brahman Jujaka gets for the release of Vessantara's daughter > golden coins accoring to the weight of this girl. The murals depicting > always a balance with K???ajal? (the daughter) sitting in one > scale pan, coins are visible the second pan. > > Now I could find the description of this part of the mural in the > Sinhalese tradition (13th century). > Did anyone came across literal descriptions with a similar content? > Probably in Chinese, Burmese or Siam sources? > > Best > > Heiner > > (Rolf Heinrich Koch) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Vessantara.Waage.Telvatta.Totagamuva.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 383550 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pandurangi Director of Academics Dean, Faculty of Vedantas Karnakata Samskrita University, Pampa Mahakavi Road, Chamarajpet, Bengaluru. ?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????? (?.??.) http://www.ksu.ac.in http://www.ksu.ac.in/en/dr-veeranarayana-n-k-pandurangi/ https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/bvparishat -- ??????????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????? (?.??.) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bvparishat. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Veeranarayana N.K. 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Madhav Deshpande On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari < ajit.gargeshwari at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear List, > > Prof. K T Pandurangi has asked me to search fora scanned/pdf version of > Uttararamacharita of Bhavabhuti with Jevaananda Vidyasagar' commentary and > published by the leaned commentator. > unfortunately he has lost his book and this is not available in DLI or at > archive.org. If any of our learned members will be able to trace a > scanned copy I would be grateful. > Thanking you in advance > Regards > Ajit Gargeshwari > ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????? > ??? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????2.20?? > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 15:15:42 2014 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 14 16:15:42 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The place of Indology in the Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear friends, thank you all for your contributions, and I hope there may be more to come. I was asking partly because I was aware that there were strong tensions surrounding this issue at a university where I worked for a while. Classical Indian studies shared faculty space (institutional and physical) with East Asian studies, some of whom were quite strongly worried by the lack of symmetry between the study of modern and ancient topics (Sanskrit vs. contemporary Chinese, for example), and especially by the big difference in student numbers that made it look as if the East Asia people were much more burdened with large u/g classes. While I do understand and accept the "safety in numbers" argument about Asian Studies as a valid departmental aegis, I also see that there can still be intra-departmental tensions, even quite sharp ones. Another source of my question is the continuing theme that we're all aware of, i.e., periodic news of yet another department shutting down. I can't say more about this at the moment, and it doesn't relate to any institution that I've ever been connected with. About East Asian studies getting the lion's share of funding: yes, Arlo, this is often true. And quite often the funding is directly through grants from the Chinese Government. Which leads to certain vulnerabilities. I heard earlier this year about a university that granted an honorary doctorate to the Dalai Lama, and promptly had all their grants for E. Asian studies cut because the Chinese Government cancelled all their funding as a retaliation. This highlights the importance of a university gaining control of the principal of a donation, not just the interest of a principal held elsewhere. Best, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Madhav Deshpande On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari < ajit.gargeshwari at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear List, > > Prof. K T Pandurangi has asked me to search fora scanned/pdf version of > Uttararamacharita of Bhavabhuti with Jevaananda Vidyasagar' commentary and > published by the leaned commentator. > unfortunately he has lost his book and this is not available in DLI or at > archive.org. If any of our learned members will be able to trace a > scanned copy I would be grateful. > Thanking you in advance > Regards > Ajit Gargeshwari > ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????? > ??? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????2.20?? > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -- Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de Wed Oct 29 09:32:54 2014 From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 09:32:54 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for R. Davis: South Asia at Chicago (1985) Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94A664140C@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de> Would someone be kind enough to inform me how I can get access to Richard Davis: South Asia at Chicago : A History. Chicago : Committe on Southern Asian Studies, 1985 No copy seems to have reached Europe, except one in Leiden (NL), which would probably take some time to procure. Many thanks in in advance. Reinhold Gr?nendahl From tubb at uchicago.edu Wed Oct 29 11:48:36 2014 From: tubb at uchicago.edu (Gary Tubb) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 06:48:36 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for R. Davis: South Asia at Chicago (1985) In-Reply-To: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94A664140C@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de> Message-ID: <5450D414.5040108@uchicago.edu> Richard Davis's history of South Asia at the University of Chicago is available online: http://www.nrcweb.org/userfiles/P015A060149%5CDavis_SA_at_Chicago_History-with_ocr.pdf An updated history is currently being prepared as one of several projects underway at the University of Chicago in preparation for the celebration in the next academic year of the 60th anniversary of the Committee on Southern Asian Studies and the 50th anniversary of the Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations. Gary Tubb Professor, Dept. of South Asian Languages and Civilizations Faculty Director, The University of Chicago Center in Delhi On 10/29/14, 4:32 AM, Gruenendahl, Reinhold wrote: > Would someone be kind enough to inform me how I can get access to > > Richard Davis: South Asia at Chicago : A History. > Chicago : Committe on Southern Asian Studies, 1985 > > No copy seems to have reached Europe, except one in Leiden (NL), which would probably take some time to procure. > > Many thanks in in advance. > Reinhold Gr?nendahl > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Europ?enne pour l??tude des Civilisations de l?Himalaya et de l?Asie Centrale, European Society for the Study of Himalayan and Central Asiatic Civilizations) and the Cluster of Excellence ?Asia and Europe in a Global Context? invite abstracts for the Fourth International SEECHAC Colloquium on the subject: ?Religious Revivals and Artistic Renaissance in Central Asia and the Himalayan Region ? past and present? 16 to 18 November 2015 Internationales Wissenschaftsforum Heidelberg (IWH) The colloquium will focus on various forms of religious revivals or artistic renaissances in the Himalayas and Central Asia, including Northern India, Northern Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet, Afghanistan and the Central Asian republics, from the viewpoint of a variety of disciplines and fields of study (in particular archaeology, art history, numismatics, philology, social anthropology, religious studies). Papers can be given in any European language, albeit preferably in English (20 minutes plus 10 minutes for discussion). All SEECHAC members are invited to attend the colloquium. Colleagues wishing to attend the conference should inform the organisers as early as possible at contact at seechac.org. Abstracts for papers of no more than 20 lines should be submitted to contact at seechac.org before 31 January 2015. President of SEECHAC: Frantz Grenet Organizing committee Heidelberg: Birgit Kellner (main contact), Monica Juneja, Axel Michaels, Sophie Roche, Davide Torri, William Sax Kindly distribute this call among interested colleagues. A PDF version is attached. With best regards, Birgit Kellner -- ---------- Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner Chair of Buddhist Studies Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - The Dynamics of Transculturality" University of Heidelberg Karl Jaspers Centre Vo?stra?e 2, Building 4400 D-69115 Heidelberg Phone: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301 (Office Ina Chebbi: 4363) Fax: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SEECHAC_Call_for_papers.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 89630 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 14:55:22 2014 From: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk (Rupert Gethin) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 14:55:22 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Schayer's Pre-Canonical Buddhism Message-ID: <5450FFDA.6010302@bristol.ac.uk> Dear List, Does anyone happen to have a scan of Schayer's 'Pre-Canonical Buddhism', Archiv Orientalni 7 (1935), 121-132? The online archive of the Journal only seems to go back to 1941: http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/open-access-journal-archiv-orientalni.html Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nowmonika at poczta.onet.pl Wed Oct 29 15:23:18 2014 From: nowmonika at poczta.onet.pl (nowmonika) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 16:23:18 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Schayer's Pre-Canonical Buddhism Message-ID: <96883101-430188cef11e42705254956bd934d094@pmq1v.m5r2.onet> The paper was reprinted (photo offset) in the collection of selected Schayer's articles, O filozofowaniu Hindus?w (1988): http://www.worldcat.org/title/o-filozofowaniu-hindusow-artykuy-wybrane/oclc/22180579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true That I have, so if nobody has the scan of the article ready, I can scan it by tomorrow. Best, Monika Nowakowska ? University of Warsaw Department of Oriental Studies Chair of South Asian Studies ? ? W dniu 2014-10-29 15:55:22 u?ytkownik Rupert Gethin napisa?: Dear List, Does anyone happen to have a scan of Schayer's 'Pre-Canonical Buddhism', Archiv Orientalni 7 (1935), 121-132? The online archive of the Journal only seems to go back to 1941: http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/open-access-journal-archiv-orientalni.html Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The online archive of the Journal only seems to go back to 1941: http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/open-access-journal-archiv-orientalni.html Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 16:10:44 2014 From: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk (Rupert Gethin) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 16:10:44 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Commentary to the Majjhimanikaya Message-ID: <54511184.9050404@bristol.ac.uk> I am tempted by the instant response to my request for Schayer's article to send another request for help. I suspect this may be more challenging. Does anyone out there have access to a particular Burmese edition of the Papa?cas?dan?: Rangoon: Ma??ine Pi?aka Press, 1921. This was used by I.B. Horner in preparing her PTS edition in 1934. The other two editions she used are relatively easy to locate in various libraries, but I haven't been able to locate a copy of this one. The portion I am interested in is the commentary to the Mah?kammavibha?ga-sutta (PTS edition Ps V 15?21), in particular the paragraphs corresponding to PTSe Ps V 20,5-21,3. Horner indicates a lacuna in this Burmese edition that I would ideally like to verify. If someone did have access to this and were able to scan the relevant pp. I would be extremely grateful. With best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:42:55 2014 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 14 00:12:55 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Section of Linguistics, PANEL on the Vedic and Sanskrit Verbal System Message-ID: 16th World Sanskrit Conference ? Bangkok 28 June ? 2 July 2015 Section of Linguistics, PANEL on the Vedic and Sanskrit Verbal System conveners: J.E.M. Houben, L. Kulikov, V. Sadovski While Sanskrit, including Vedic Sanskrit, has an ancient and probably intrinsic capacity to form verbless, nominal sentences (Meillet 1908), it also has a verbal system that is both morphologically and semantically very well developed. The discovery and study in the west of ancient Indian methods of describing the morphology, syntax and semantics of the verb, from around two centuries ago, gave significant impulses to western and modern linguistics. In recent decades the Vedic and Sanskrit verb have received a number of studies that open important new perspectives. At the same time, the works of ancient Sanskrit grammarians and language specialists have become accessible in a much better way than one to two centuries ago when F. Bopp, B. Delbr?ck, W.D. Whitney, F. de Saussure and others had started to investigate the Sanskrit verb. Although problems of philology and interpretation remain and will remain, it has become reasonably well possible to focus on the linguistic content of relevant ancient Sanskrit works and compare their methods and descriptions with modern ones. This should enable us both to have better evaluations and appreciations of modern contributions and to make more adequate critical use of precious observations in ancient Indian linguistic disciplines. For this panel papers dealing with new analyses of the morphology, syntax and semantics of the Vedic and Sanskrit verb are invited as well as papers dealing with ancient analyses, theories and observations on the Vedic and Sanskrit verb. Languages of the conference and the panel are English and Sanskrit. N.B. This is a panel *within* the Section of Linguistics of the 16th WSC. For more details on participation and submission of abstracts BEFORE 30 NOVEMBER 2014: http://www.sanskrit-silpakorn.org/images/pdf/16th-WORLD-SANSKRIT-CONFERENCE-SECOND-ANNOUNCEMENT.pdf Submission of abstracts: http://www.sanskrit-silpakorn.org/registration-form-wsc.php *** *** *** Alors que le sanskrit, y compris le sanskrit v?dique, a une ancienne capacit?, probablement intrins?que, ? former des phrases nominales, c?est ? dire, des phrases sans verbe fini (Meillet 1908), il a aussi un syst?me verbal qui est tr?s bien d?velopp? ? la fois morphologiquement et s?mantiquement. La d?couverte et l'?tude occidentales des anciennes m?thodes indiennes de d?crire la morphologie, la syntaxe et la s?mantique du verbe, en commen?ant il y a environ deux si?cles, ont donn? des impulsions importantes ? la linguistique occidentale et moderne. Au cours des derni?res d?cennies, le verbe v?dique et sanskrit a re?u un certain nombre d'?tudes qui ouvrent de nouvelles perspectives importantes. En m?me temps, les ?uvres anciennes des grammairiens sanskrits et sp?cialistes de la langue sont devenues accessibles d?une fa?on beaucoup meilleure qu?il y a un ou deux si?cles quand F. Bopp, B. Delbr?ck, W.D. Whitney, F. de Saussure et d'autres ont commenc? ? enqu?ter sur le verbe sanskrit. Bien que des probl?mes de la philologie et l'interpr?tation restent et resteront, il est devenu assez bien possible de se concentrer sur le contenu linguistique des travaux pertinents et de comparer leurs m?thodes et descriptions avec celles de la linguistique moderne. Cela devrait nous permettre ? la fois d'avoir de meilleures ?valuations et appr?ciations des contributions modernes et de faire un usage critique et ad?quate des observations pr?cieuses dans les anciennes disciplines linguistiques indiennes. Pour ce panel des articles traitant de nouvelles analyses de la morphologie, la syntaxe et la s?mantique du verbe v?dique et sanskrit sont invit?s ainsi que des articles traitant des analyses anciennes, des th?ories et des observations sur le verbe v?dique et sanskrit. Les langues de la conf?rence et du panel sont l?anglais et le sanskrit. *** *** *** Sanskrit, einschlie?lich vedisches Sanskrit, hat eine alte und wahrscheinlich urspr?ngliche Kapazit?t zur Bildung nominaler S?tzen, d.h. S?tze ohne verbum finitum (Meillet 1908), aber es hat auch ein Verbalsystem, das sowohl morphologisch und semantisch sehr gut entwickelt ist. Die Entdeckung und Untersuchung im Westen von vor etwa zwei Jahrhunderten der alten indischen Methoden zur Beschreibung der Morphologie, Syntax und Semantik des Verbs gab wesentliche Impulse zur westlichen und modernen Linguistik. Dem vedischen und sanskrit Verb waren in den letzten Jahrzehnten eine Reihe von Studien gewidmet, die wichtige neue Perspektiven ge?ffnet haben. Zugleich sind die Werke der alten Sanskrit Grammatikern und Sprachspezialisten jetzt viel besser zug?nglich als vor etwa 1-2 Jahrhunderten, wenn F. Bopp, B. Delbr?ck, W.D. Whitney, F. de Saussure und anderen anf?ngen, das sanskrit Verb zu untersuchen. Obwohl Probleme der Philologie und Interpretation bleiben und bleiben werden, ist es jetzt ziemlich gut m?glich, sich zu konzentrieren auf dem linguistischen Inhalt relevanter alten sanskrit Texte und ihre Methoden und Beschreibungen zu vergleichen mit denen der modernen Linguistik. Dies sollte es uns einerseits erm?glichen, bessere Auswertungen und W?rdigungen der modernen Beitr?gen zu haben, und andererseits die wertvolle Beobachtungen der alten indischen linguistischen Disziplinen kritisch and ad?quat zu benutzen. F?r dieses Panel werden Beitr?ge mit neuen Analysen der Morphologie, Syntax und Semantik des vedischen und sanskrit Verbs eingeladen, ebenso wie Beitr?ge ?ber die alten Analysen, Theorien und Beobachtungen des vedischen und sanskrit Verbs. Die Tagungssprachen sind Englisch und Sanskrit. Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ? Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Sciences historiques et philologiques, Sorbonne ? 54, rue Saint-Jacques CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris ? France. johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 22:00:10 2014 From: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk (Rupert Gethin) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 22:00:10 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Schayer's Pre-Canonical Buddhism In-Reply-To: <5450FFDA.6010302@bristol.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5451636A.4010105@bristol.ac.uk> A number of people have been contacting me asking if I could share the article. Anybody else who wants the article should be able to download it from the following URL for the next 2 weeks: Best wishes, Rupert -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Schayer's Pre-Canonical Buddhism Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:55:22 +0000 From: Rupert Gethin To: indology at list.indology.info Dear List, Does anyone happen to have a scan of Schayer's 'Pre-Canonical Buddhism', Archiv Orientalni 7 (1935), 121-132? The online archive of the Journal only seems to go back to 1941: http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/open-access-journal-archiv-orientalni.html Best wishes, Rupert Gethin University of Bristol Department of Religion and Theology 3 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TB, UK Email: Rupert.Gethin at bristol.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 29 22:26:16 2014 From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 14 23:26:16 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Looking_for_"=C5=9Aukran=C4=ABti_s=C4=81ra"?= Message-ID: <54516988.8000309@wanadoo.fr> Dear all, I am looking for PDF, scan or any electronic form of the text: "Gustav Oppert, ed.,?ukran?ti s?ra", Madras Government Press, 1882. Would someone be kind enough to inform me how can I get a copy of it. Thanking you in advance A. 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BookReader-1.) : http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in/cgi-bin/metainfo.cgi?&title1=sukranitisara&author1=gaustava%20opperta&subject1=Religion&year=1882%20&language1=Sanskrit&pages=299&barcode=5010010087212&author2=NULL&identifier1=NULL&publisher1=The%20Government%20Press,%20Madras&contributor1=NULL&vendor1=svi&scanningcentre1=rmsc,%20iiith&scannerno1=0&digitalrepublisher1=NULL&digitalpublicationdate1=0000-00-00&numberedpages1=297&unnumberedpages1=2&rights1=OUT_OF_COPYRIGHT©rightowner1=NULL©rightexpirydate1=0000-00-00&format1=NULL%20&url=/data6/upload/0158/102 But I am unable to catch it ! Note that the Oppert's ed. and translation of the N?tiprak?zik? was published in the Madras Journal of Literature and Science for 1881 (1882), p. 1-80 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00phdgoog Oppert already commented on those works in the following work: On the weapons, army organisation, and political maxims of the ancient Hindus, with special reference to gunpowder and firearms (1880) - reprinted (1970 Cosmo Books, 2005, 2010, etc.) https://archive.org/details/onweaponsarmyor01vaigoog http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924022694958 Here is my list of available e-issues of the Madras Journal of Literature and Science vol. 1 , 1833-34 http://books.google.com/books?id=mVIYAQAAIAAJ http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli01socigoog vol. 3, 1836 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00morrgoog 1837 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00colegoog vol. 9-10, 1839 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00esqgoog vol. 11-12, 1840 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00browgoog vol. 13/1 (no. 30) et 13/2 (no. 31), 1844-1845 (1846) http://www.archive.org/details/MadrasJournalOfLiteratureAndScience301844 http://books.google.be/books?id=31gYAQAAIAAJ http://books.google.be/books?id=JhoYAAAAYAAJ vol. 16, 1850 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00socigoog 1856 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournal00cogoog NS I - OS XVII - 1857 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli03socigoog NS II - OS XVIII - 1857 [1858] http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli04socigoog NS V/9 - OS XXI/48 - 1859 http://books.google.com/books?id=DfkEAAAAQAAJ NS VI - OS XXII - 1861 http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli02socigoog [new series vol. 1] For the year 1878 [1879] http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00sciegoog [vol. 2] For the year 1879 [1880] not found [vol. 3] For the year 1880 [1881] http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00unkngoog [vol. 4] for 1881 [1882] http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00phdgoog Best wishes, Christophe Vielle Le 29 oct. 2014 ? 23:26, a.murugaiyan a ?crit : > > Dear all, > I am looking for PDF, scan or any electronic form of the text: "Gustav Oppert, ed.,?ukran?ti s?ra", Madras Government Press, 1882. > Would someone be kind enough to inform me how can I get a copy of it. > Thanking you in advance > > A. Murugaiyan > > Appasamy Murugaiyan > EPHE-UMR 7528 Mondes iranien et indien > 27 rue Paul-Bert > 94204- Ivry-sur-Seine. France > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Oct 30 09:49:17 2014 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 14 10:49:17 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Madras Journal of Literature and Science : addendum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From http://indologica.de/drupal/?q=node/72, I should have added in the list of MJLS the following volume of 1864 (therefore, regarding the "new series" : 2nd series < 1857, 3rd series < 1864, 4th series < 1878) : The Madras journal of literature and science / ed. by the honorary secretary of the Madras Literary Society and auxialiary of the Royal Asiatic Society. - 3rd series, no. 1. - Madras : Graves, Cookson and Co., 1864. - 182 S. : Ill. Darin u.a.: 3. Brown, Charles Philip: Telugu spells / transl. by C. P. Brown, S. 60-71. 4. B?hler, Georg: Remarks on the Sanskrit Manuscripts in Madras / by Georg B?hler, S. 71-85. 7. Branson, J. H. Arthur: On two manuscripts of 'Omar Khayy?m's quatrains / by J. H. Arthur Branson, S. 97-105. 8. Description of two manuscripts in the library of the Madras Literary Society, S. 105-115. 9. B?hler, Georg: On the origin of the Sanskrit linguals / by George B?hler, S. 116-136. URL: http://books.google.com/books?id=RFEYAAAAYAAJ (Google Books. Digitalisiert: 3. April 2008, Harvard University) Dateiformat: G; PDF > > Here is my list of available e-issues of the Madras Journal of Literature and Science > vol. 1 , 1833-34 > > http://books.google.com/books?id=mVIYAQAAIAAJ > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli01socigoog > > vol. 3, 1836 > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00morrgoog > > 1837 > > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00colegoog > > vol. 9-10, 1839 > > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00esqgoog > > vol. 11-12, 1840 > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00browgoog > > vol. 13/1 (no. 30) et 13/2 (no. 31), 1844-1845 (1846) > > http://www.archive.org/details/MadrasJournalOfLiteratureAndScience301844 > > http://books.google.be/books?id=31gYAQAAIAAJ > > http://books.google.be/books?id=JhoYAAAAYAAJ > > vol. 16, 1850 > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00socigoog > > 1856 > > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournal00cogoog > > NS I - OS XVII - 1857 > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli03socigoog > > NS II - OS XVIII - 1857 [1858] > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli04socigoog > > NS V/9 - OS XXI/48 - 1859 > > http://books.google.com/books?id=DfkEAAAAQAAJ > > NS VI - OS XXII - 1861 > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli02socigoog > > [new series vol. 1] For the year 1878 [1879] > > > http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00sciegoog > > > [vol. 2] For the year 1879 [1880] not found > > [vol. 3] For the year 1880 [1881] > > http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00unkngoog > > [vol. 4] for 1881 [1882] > > > http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00phdgoog > ??????????????????? 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Murugaiyan Le 30/10/2014 10:49, Christophe Vielle a ?crit : > From http://indologica.de/drupal/?q=node/72, > I should have added in the list of MJLS the following volume of 1864 > (therefore, regarding the "new series" : 2nd series < 1857, 3rd series > < 1864, 4th series < 1878) : > > /The Madras journal of literature and science/ / ed. by the honorary > secretary of the Madras Literary Society and auxialiary of the Royal > Asiatic Society. - 3rd series, no. 1. - Madras : Graves, Cookson and > Co., 1864. - 182 S. : Ill. > > Darin u.a.: > 3. Brown, Charles Philip: Telugu spells / transl. by C. P. Brown, S. > 60 > -71 > . > 4. B?hler, Georg: Remarks on the Sanskrit Manuscripts in Madras / by > Georg B?hler, S. 71 > -85 > . > 7. Branson, J. H. Arthur: On two manuscripts of 'Omar Khayy?m's > quatrains / by J. H. Arthur Branson, S. 97-105. > 8. Description of two manuscripts in the library of the Madras > Literary Society, S. 105-115. > 9. B?hler, Georg: On the origin of the Sanskrit linguals / by George > B?hler, S. 116 > -136. > > URL: http://books.google.com/books?id=RFEYAAAAYAAJ (Google Books. > Digitalisiert: 3. April 2008, Harvard University) > Dateiformat: G; PDF > >> >> Here is my list of available e-issues of the Madras Journal of >> Literature and Science >> >> vol. 1 , 1833-34 >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=mVIYAQAAIAAJ >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli01socigoog >> >> vol. 3, 1836 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00morrgoog >> >> 1837 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00colegoog >> >> vol. 9-10, 1839 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00esqgoog >> >> vol. 11-12, 1840 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00browgoog >> >> vol. 13/1 (no. 30) et 13/2 (no. 31), 1844-1845 (1846) >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/MadrasJournalOfLiteratureAndScience301844 >> >> http://books.google.be/books?id=31gYAQAAIAAJ >> >> http://books.google.be/books?id=JhoYAAAAYAAJ >> >> vol. 16, 1850 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00socigoog >> >> 1856 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournal00cogoog >> >> NS I - OS XVII - 1857 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli03socigoog >> >> NS II - OS XVIII - 1857 [1858] >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli04socigoog >> >> NS V/9 - OS XXI/48 - 1859 >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=DfkEAAAAQAAJ >> >> NS VI - OS XXII - 1861 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli02socigoog >> >> [new series vol. 1] For the year 1878 [1879] >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00sciegoog >> >> [vol. 2] For the year 1879 [1880] not found >> >> [vol. 3] For the year 1880 [1881] >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00unkngoog >> >> [vol. 4] for 1881 [1882] >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00phdgoog >> > -------------------------------------- > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu Thu Oct 30 18:09:07 2014 From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 14 13:09:07 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:__Looking_for_"=C5=9Aukran=C4=ABti_s=C4=81ra"?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0DEF8F73-11F2-4C8D-AF56-83ABE7B9442A@uts.cc.utexas.edu> As Christophe suggested, I am throwing this to the list to see whether anyone knows the answer. Thanks. Patrick Begin forwarded message: > From: Christophe Vielle > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Looking for "?ukran?ti s?ra" > Date: October 30, 2014 12:27:55 PM CDT > To: Patrick Olivelle > > Sorry dear Patrick, but I am myself unable to download the whole file : this general question about the DLI (how to get the full files and not the page-per-page view) could be asked to the list. > Best wishes, > Christophe > > Le 30 oct. 2014 ? 16:50, Patrick Olivelle a ?crit : > >> Dear Christophe: >> >> Thanks for this. Unfortunately, I was not able to download the full file; only view it page by page. There was no obvious way to download. Can you help me, if you have been able to do it? Thanks. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2014, at 4:16 AM, Christophe Vielle wrote: >> >>> It seems that Oppert's ed. of the ?ukran?tis?ra (1882) is available on the DLI >>> (through a google search of Sukranitisara on "site:http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in" : sukranitisara. Author1. gaustava opperta. Author2. NULL. Subject. Religion. Language. Sanskrit. Barcode. 5010010087212. Year. 1882. BookReader-1.) : >>> http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in/cgi-bin/metainfo.cgi?&title1=sukranitisara&author1=gaustava%20opperta&subject1=Religion&year=1882%20&language1=Sanskrit&pages=299&barcode=5010010087212&author2=NULL&identifier1=NULL&publisher1=The%20Government%20Press,%20Madras&contributor1=NULL&vendor1=svi&scanningcentre1=rmsc,%20iiith&scannerno1=0&digitalrepublisher1=NULL&digitalpublicationdate1=0000-00-00&numberedpages1=297&unnumberedpages1=2&rights1=OUT_OF_COPYRIGHT©rightowner1=NULL©rightexpirydate1=0000-00-00&format1=NULL%20&url=/data6/upload/0158/102 >>> >>> But I am unable to catch it ! >>> >>> Note that the Oppert's ed. and translation of the N?tiprak?zik? was published in >>> the Madras Journal of Literature and Science for 1881 (1882), p. 1-80 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00phdgoog >>> >>> Oppert already commented on those works in the following work: >>> On the weapons, army organisation, and political maxims of the ancient Hindus, with special reference to gunpowder and firearms (1880) - reprinted (1970 Cosmo Books, 2005, 2010, etc.) >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/onweaponsarmyor01vaigoog >>> http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924022694958 >>> >>> >>> Here is my list of available e-issues of the Madras Journal of Literature and Science >>> vol. 1 , 1833-34 >>> >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=mVIYAQAAIAAJ >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli01socigoog >>> >>> vol. 3, 1836 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00morrgoog >>> >>> 1837 >>> >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00colegoog >>> >>> vol. 9-10, 1839 >>> >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00esqgoog >>> >>> vol. 11-12, 1840 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00browgoog >>> >>> vol. 13/1 (no. 30) et 13/2 (no. 31), 1844-1845 (1846) >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/MadrasJournalOfLiteratureAndScience301844 >>> >>> http://books.google.be/books?id=31gYAQAAIAAJ >>> >>> http://books.google.be/books?id=JhoYAAAAYAAJ >>> >>> vol. 16, 1850 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00socigoog >>> >>> 1856 >>> >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournal00cogoog >>> >>> NS I - OS XVII - 1857 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli03socigoog >>> >>> NS II - OS XVIII - 1857 [1858] >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli04socigoog >>> >>> NS V/9 - OS XXI/48 - 1859 >>> >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=DfkEAAAAQAAJ >>> >>> NS VI - OS XXII - 1861 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli02socigoog >>> >>> [new series vol. 1] For the year 1878 [1879] >>> >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00sciegoog >>> >>> >>> [vol. 2] For the year 1879 [1880] not found >>> >>> [vol. 3] For the year 1880 [1881] >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/journalafterwma00unkngoog >>> >>> [vol. 4] for 1881 [1882] >>> >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/madrasjournalli00phdgoog >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Christophe Vielle >>> >>> Le 29 oct. 2014 ? 23:26, a.murugaiyan a ?crit : >>> >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> I am looking for PDF, scan or any electronic form of the text: "Gustav Oppert, ed.,?ukran?ti s?ra", Madras Government Press, 1882. >>>> Would someone be kind enough to inform me how can I get a copy of it. >>>> Thanking you in advance >>>> >>>> A. 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URL: From Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu Thu Oct 30 18:15:59 2014 From: Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu (Michael Slouber) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 14 18:15:59 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Looking_for_"=C5=9Aukran=C4=ABti_s=C4=81ra"?= In-Reply-To: <0DEF8F73-11F2-4C8D-AF56-83ABE7B9442A@uts.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: Dear Patrick, et al: Below is a technique to download whole books from the DLI from a blog posting that is not my own. The scholar no longer maintains the blog, so may no longer endorse the technique: DLI to PDF with BBEdit Sat, 06/26/2010 - 01:07 As PDSz has just pointed out, the S??r?jyalak?m?p??hik? edition is available as a scan at DLI. Their website does not allow downloads of whole books but rather expects you to read them page by page. You can use wget or curl to fetch the whole set of tiff files. Here is my method, working entirely in BBEdit without ever opening a terminal page. 1) Open a new BBEdit file and call it "getfiles.sh" or something similar. Put this file into a new folder, mine is called "Scans" (or name it after the book you are downloading). I keep this on the desktop for convenience and keep getfiles.sh open in BBEdit, ready for the next steps. Say you are now browsing DLI with Safari and open the first page of a book, say again the S??r?jyalak?m?p??hik?. If you look at the URL you see the following: http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/scripts/FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/rawdataupload/upload/0098/415&first=1&last=527&barcode=5990010098415 This is not the URL you need to download the images, however. To get the URL you do need, you can control-click (hold down the control key while while clicking) on the image in Safari and select "Copy image address" (penultimate item in the pop-up menu). The URL is now in the global clipboard and can be pasted (cmd-v) anywhere. 2) Switch to BBEdit (cmd-tab), open getfiles.sh and paste the URL into the document (cmd-v). You should see: http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/0098/415/PTIFF/00000001.tif This is the URL for the first tiff image of the the scanned book. We prefix curl -O (the option -O means "save the file with the same name it has on the web site"), so that we have: curl -O http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/0098/415/PTIFF/00000001.tif To get the range of pages we need the last page. It is tedious to navigate to the last page in Safari, but that is not necessary. Instead, look at the address bar, it has a section like this: "&first=1&last=527" So our last page is 527. The range of numbers is easy to set in curl, it is represented with square brackets as: [00000001-527].tif Our complete curl command is therefore: curl -O http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/0098/415/PTIFF/[00000001-527].tif To this we prefix on a separate line: "#!/bin/bash". 3) The whole file getfiles.sh should now look like this: #!/bin/bash curl -O http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/0098/415/PTIFF/[00000001-527].tif Save this. 4) In the BBEdit "shebang" menu (it looks like this: #!, to the right of the "Window" menu) select "Run". 5) the images will download to your folder in a few seconds. A log window will open in BBEdit when you are done, telling you what was downloaded, just delete this, it is of no value. The images will appear in whatever folder the "getfiles.sh" file is in. Be careful, curl will simply overwrite any existing files with the same name, so immediately print them to pdf when done (see next step). 6) When you have the tiff images I would select them all, double click to open them in Preview and print them to a single PDF for convenience. In Preview there are two types of print now (not sure when this was introduced). So select all files in the "drawer" and then choose "print selected", not just "print". I now use an application called "Papers" to store, organize and tag such PDFs. Papers installs a convenient option in the "print selected" dialogue to print the PDFs directly to Papers. Immediately add bibliographic details and notes, you will otherwise have difficulties finding the file later. You can keep the older curl searches in the file getfiles.sh. Simply put a # at the head of the line they contain, this turns the line into a "comment" that is not read at runtime. While BBEdit is running curl, a ?script running? box appears that has a ?cancel? button. If you hit ?cancel? it will free up BBEdit?s script environment, but the curl command will keep running invisibly in the background until completion (tiff files will keep appearing in the folder). If you want to stop it you can use activity monitor (in Apps/Utilities). Find the Process called curl and hit the ?quit process? button (or if you use the terminal a lot, "kill" the appropriate PID). ?? Michael Slouber Assistant Professor of South Asia Department of Liberal Studies Western Washington University On ???? ??????? ??, at ??:?? ????? ????????, Patrick Olivelle > wrote: http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in/cgi-bin/metainfo.cgi?&title1=sukranitisara&author1=gaustava%20opperta&subject1=Religion&year=1882%20&language1=Sanskrit&pages=299&barcode=5010010087212&author2=NULL&identifier1=NULL&publisher1=The%20Government%20Press,%20Madras&contributor1=NULL&vendor1=svi&scanningcentre1=rmsc,%20iiith&scannerno1=0&digitalrepublisher1=NULL&digitalpublicationdate1=0000-00-00&numberedpages1=297&unnumberedpages1=2&rights1=OUT_OF_COPYRIGHT©rightowner1=NULL©rightexpirydate1=0000-00-00&format1=NULL%20&url=/data6/upload/0158/102 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LubinT at wlu.edu Thu Oct 30 20:01:42 2014 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 14 20:01:42 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] bulk downloading and assembly from DL Message-ID: Patrick, Michael, et al. You can find the ?ukran?tis?ra here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nkxqqlmw2bj39bw/Shukranitisara.pdf?dl=0 Since DLIDownloader has never once worked form (crashes every time), I have my own system of downloading pages from DLI and compiling them into a PDF. I explained it in an email to someone once before so here it is: A good utility for extracting pages from DLI is DownThemAll, an add-on for Firefox. After installing it, you need to navigate to the first page of a DLI on-line book, copy the URL, open DownThemAll manager and set up a download of multiple pages. You do this by clicking the blue plus-sign button, then in the DOWNLOAD field, past your URL One way to get this URL is to open the book in the DLI website's reader interface, which will produce a URL like this: http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/scripts/FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/rawdataupload1/upload/0132/045&first=1&last=268&barcode=99999990133383\ Then remove "FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/" and the whole string beginning with the first &, and append: /PTIFF/[00000001:00000###].tif (in which the #'s are the last page of the document, 268 in the example above; there should be 8 digits in the string including the leading 0's; the last page number can be found in the original URL after the string "&last=". ) in this case, the result will be: http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload1/upload/0132/045/PTIFF/[00000001:00000268].tif (Note that some books have something else than "rawdataupload1" in that part of the URL.) Then select your folder and click START! (leave the default renaming mask.) The individual tifs can then be combined in Acrobat into a single PDF. Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 ? http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From will.sweetman at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 00:50:25 2014 From: will.sweetman at gmail.com (Will Sweetman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 14 13:50:25 +1300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] bulk downloading and assembly from DL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5452DCD1.5020906@gmail.com> There seem to be a number of apps designed to download from the DLI - I've tried a couple and not sure which one Tim means, but the one available at the link below has worked pretty well for me on a Mac: http://dli-downloader.blogspot.dk/2013/04/fast-dli-downloader-tool-to-download.html Cheers Will From dipak.d2004 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 11:40:07 2014 From: dipak.d2004 at gmail.com (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 14 17:10:07 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] bulk downloading and assembly from DL In-Reply-To: <5452DCD1.5020906@gmail.com> Message-ID: This seems encouraging. DLI was helpful in the beginning. With the passing of age it seems to have grown weary of heavy material. But what is the reason for it when many sites offer better service that helped me download many 19th century studies and edited texts? Best DB On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Will Sweetman wrote: > There seem to be a number of apps designed to download from the DLI - I've > tried a couple and not sure which one Tim means, but the one available at > the link below has worked pretty well for me on a Mac: > > http://dli-downloader.blogspot.dk/2013/04/fast-dli- > downloader-tool-to-download.html > > Cheers > > Will > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://listinfo.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu Fri Oct 31 15:11:33 2014 From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 14 10:11:33 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query Message-ID: <24894F5B-392A-4062-B2E3-5FDFC7DB7A74@uts.cc.utexas.edu> Dear All: A while back I asked you about the 18 low castes, and I received very helpful pointers, some of which I append below. But I am now writing about a parallel list of these 18 that are called by M?dhava (P?r??aram?dhav?ya, III: 46) and Deva??a Bha??a (Sm?ticandrik?, Mysore Editon, III: 65) in verses ascribed to Pit?maha "prak?ti" castes that are outside the var?as and ??ramas. There is one verse containing probably 11 names (the first verse has 7 names and are easily identified). I am unable to decipher several of them, and the readings of the two texts also vary -- thus I am not sure what the right reading is. But here is the verse in the two versions: ???????????????????????????????????: ? ?????????????????????????????: ?? Deva??a ??????????????????: ?????????????????: ? ??????????: ??????? ??????: ???????: ?? M?dhava (Bombay ed) ??????????????????????? ??????????????? ? ????????: ??????????????????????: ?? M?dhava (Calcatta ed) As you can see there is a lot of confusion, and I am not sure whether the editors themselves fully understood the passage. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks. Patrick Here is what I gathered about the 18 low castes in South India from members of the list: A passage ascribed to the Garu?a Pur??a in Hemadri's Caturvargacint?ma?i (IV: 38) gives a list of 16 headed by washerman, calling them Ca???las who live in the village. In Maharashtra today there are lists of 18 low-caste people, and this may have been true in other parts of southern India where Devanna Bhatta lived (personal communication by Ashok Aklujkar). A closer parallel is found in the Tamil country, where also we have 18 such castes, again beginning with the washerman, listed in the Madras Tamil Lexicon: va???n? [washerman], n?vitan? [barber], kuyavan? [potter], ta???n? [goldsmith], kan?n??n? [brazier], kar?r?accan? [mason], kollan? [blacksmith], taccan? [carpenter], e??eyv??ikan? [oil merchant], uppuv??ikan? [salt merchant], ilaiv??ikan? [betel merchant], pa??i [watchman], p?m?laikk?ran? [garland maker], par?aiyan? [drummer; Dalit, pariah], k?vi?ku?iy?n? [conch-blower], ?ccan? [priest at a goddes temple; another Dalit community], valaiyan? [fisherman], p??an? [tailor]. I thank Whitney Cox for this reference. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: