Re: [INDOLOGY] Meaning of Paṭa?

[Rajam]

In Old Tamil, "paṭam" (படம்) refers to a robe, and "paṭām" (படாம்) refers to a painted cloth.

Regards,
Rajam


On Oct 31, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Lubin, Tim wrote:

> To George's references we can add Turner, CDIAL, 7692, paṭa- 'woven cloth', cf. 2paṭṭa- 'cloth, woven silk', with many cognates with related meanings in other Indian languages.  
> 
> Many inscriptions make it clear that the decree or grant contained in them were written first on perishable material (e.g., palm leaf), transmitted in that form, and only secondarily copied onto durable material -- a process sometimes self-consciously reflected upon in the inscription itself.  This is clearly the case even with Aśoka's edicts (including reflection on the purpose of making permanent, public versions).  So why not cloth?  We know of its use in Tibet and China.
> 
> Tim
> 
> From: George Thompson <gthomgt at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 31, 2013 5:32 PM
> Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Meaning of Paṭa?
> 
> Dear List,
>  
> I apologize for accidentally sending my note before it was finished.  The last paragraph should read:
>  
> The proposed etymologies of these words are all difficult, but their meanings are more or less clear, and probably related.
>  
> Hope this helps,
>  
> George
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:20 PM, George Thompson <gthomgt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Don,
>>  
>> This also may be relevant to your question.
>>  
>> Mayrhofer in his KEWA [sv:  paTaH (sorry, Dominik, we are philologists here, for the most part, and we have an incorrigible habit of displaying our  knowledge of Latin rhetorical short-hand); none of us talk like this, of course!]:
>>  
>> Mayrhofer there, glossing paTa as "woven cloth, garment, blanket," refers also to three neuter nouns: paTalam: 1 = cover, veil; 2 = heap, mass; 3 = basket.
>>  
>> He also cites a masculine noun paTalaH = section of a book.
>>  
>> The propetymology of these words are difficult
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Richard Salomon <rsalomon at u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>> Don,
>>> 
>>> Have a look at D.C. Sircar's Indian Epigraphy, pp. 66-67; also my Indian Epigraphy p. 132, for further references. It has been suggested (I don't remember exactly where -- this may go all the way back to Buehler's Indische Palaeographie) that archival copies of land grants were kept on cloth.
>>> 
>>> Rich
>>> 
>>> Rich Salomon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/31/2013 8:41 AM, Donald R Davis wrote:
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>> 
>>>> I am working on the /Smṛticandrikā/ of Devaṇṇabhaṭṭa and its discussion
>>>> of documents.  Several passages in the sub-section on /rājaśāsana/
>>>> enjoin a king to inscribe a land grant “/paṭe vā tāmrapaṭṭe vā/.”
>>>> 
>>>> Yājñavalkya (1.319) is the first, I think.  Most translators have
>>>> rendered /paṭa/ here as “cloth,” which makes no sense to me, as I have
>>>> 
>>>> never seen a cloth inscription of this sort and it seems an unusually
>>>> non-durable material for an important inscription.  So, /Amarakośa/ (and
>>>> 
>>>> MW lists this, too) gives several synonyms, all of which point to the
>>>> chirauli/chironji nut (Buchanania Latifolia) or, I suppose, its bark.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone help me identify /paṭa/ here more certainly?  I don’t know
>>>> 
>>>> the first thing about trees and this appears to be a common enough tree
>>>> in India and other parts of Asia, but is the bark of this tree meant
>>>> here?  Thanks for any help or leads you may have.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Don Davis
>>>> 
>>>> Dept. of Asian Studies
>>>> 
>>>> University of Texas at Austin
>>>> 
>>>> 
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