From ute.huesken at ikos.uio.no  Wed May  1 12:48:56 2013
From: ute.huesken at ikos.uio.no (Ute Huesken)
Date: Wed, 01 May 13 14:48:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Resource for female students traveling to South	Asia II
Message-ID: <561134cb36e398f12ead77be85d4ef5d@ulrik.uio.no>

 

A further comment o the blog by its author to clarify background and
intentions: 

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Resource for female students traveling to South Asia II

		DATE:

		2013-05-01 13:41

		FROM:
 		Frank Conlon
<conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

		TO:
 		H-ASIA at H-NET.MSU.EDU

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		H-Net list for Asian History and Culture
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H-ASIA
May 1, 2013

Further comment re: Resource
for female students travelling to South 
Asia

(x-post
RISA-L)
***********************************************************************
Ed.
note: This is a continuation to the discussion on April 29 
introducing
a new blog resource on issues facing female students 
travelling to
South Asia. (http://travelingwhilefemale.blogspot.com/ [1])

FFC
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From:
Erin H. Epperson <eheppe at uchicago.edu>

I want to thank everyone for
their support of this project. I feel obliged
to add that this is a very
difficult topic for most women (myself included)
to discuss because of
the vulnerability involved in harassment experiences.
I would like for
one to see more support of women who have these
experiences and less
victim-blaming (i.e. "she should have worn this
instead"). Most female
colleagues I have talked with are not comfortable
sharing their
experiences, so this my attempt at a much-needed first step.

I
certainly agree based on personal experience that the most
modest
clothing is safest, and that traveling in groups and only during
the day is
safest. But I believe it is a disservice to teach our
students that any
preventative measure is fool-proof, and in fact
statistics show that what a
victim wears in fact matters very little.
Harassers, like rapists, report
that the number-one factor in choosing a
victim is not their clothing or
appearance, but opportunity and
perceived vulnerability. We teach this at
the Self defense center I
volunteer for, and from what I've read and had
reported to me from
Indian women, the same holds true in India. You can
just as easily be
harassed wearing a burka as jeans. For foreigners I would
certainly
recommend local dress (add I myself choose to wear), but I would
also
want to emphasize that nothing is completely preventative and
any
harassment they may receive is not their fault.

I also want to
address concerns that my blog might be white-centric
or
foreigner-centric. Some context might help. When I started to write I
was
attempting to process through what I (mis)perceived to be a
mostly
foreigner problem. As I began to write and began discussing this
work with
Indian women, I began to take a wider perspective. Thus as the
entries
progress, I hope the progression of my understanding of the
situation is
visible. I have recently returned to the US and have been
wrapped up in
other academic duties, but I have several entries in mind
to write and post
over the coming weeks and months (in part based on
conversations I had with
women in Delhi during a self defense course I
helped teach back in March)
that will continue to reflect this shift.

I
would also like to apologize if my blog comes across as inflammatory
or
fear-mongering. I certainly don't want to scare women away from
India
(which is why I wrote the most recent entry). But I also don't see
how
minimizing the issue will help women. Without serious discussion,
women
will continue to suffer in silence. Like with most important
issues, waves
have to be made initially before we can eventually reach a
sort of balanced
equilibrium on the topic. I should perhaps also add
that street harassment
is a global phenomena and is certainly present in
the US in cities and
towns, large and small so thus problem is not
limited to South Asia. As a
white foreigner there are limitations based
on both my foreign-ness and my
(white) privilege, which I want to
acknowledge.

I whole-heartedly welcome any suggestions for how I can
advance the
discussion through this blog. Any suggestions for future
entries or advice
for tone would be appreciated (by private
correspondence)

Sincerely,
Erin Epperson
PhD Candidate, SALC
University
of
Chicago
eheppe at uchicago.edu
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From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Wed May  1 13:23:22 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Wed, 01 May 13 15:23:22 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mudda?
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Ce3nPGiEDVTrtmF=WURfXfySw8_Vg4-otJxe637eWeM3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5181174A.6060004@pbhome.se>

I should be very grateful if anyone could enlighten me as to the meaning 
and etymology of the North Indian word mudd?, as in mudd? da??, 
referring to a particular astrological division of a single year of life 
(employed in var?aphala or annual horoscopy). Clearly the word is not of 
Sanskrit origin, although it made its way into Sanskrit in early modern 
times. Monier-Williams and B?htlingk just refer to mudda (with short -a) 
as an astrological term, without commenting on its meaning; the source 
is apparently Weber's Indische Studien 2: 276, which gives two possible 
Arabic etymologies; but as Weber was notoriously unlucky in his 
etymological guesses, I would rather hear the opinions of knowledgeable 
list members.

Martin Gansten
Lund University





From hhhock at illinois.edu  Wed May  1 18:59:45 2013
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Wed, 01 May 13 18:59:45 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mudda?
In-Reply-To: <5181174A.6060004@pbhome.se>
Message-ID: <24813ACCC4FD7E4BA49C84D3751BCCDE903BD631@CHIMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu>

This couldn't be a later Indo-Aryan form corresponding to Skt. mudr??

Hans Henrich Hock






On 1 May 2013, at 08:23, Martin Gansten wrote:

I should be very grateful if anyone could enlighten me as to the meaning and etymology of the North Indian word mudd?, as in mudd? da??, referring to a particular astrological division of a single year of life (employed in var?aphala or annual horoscopy). Clearly the word is not of Sanskrit origin, although it made its way into Sanskrit in early modern times. Monier-Williams and B?htlingk just refer to mudda (with short -a) as an astrological term, without commenting on its meaning; the source is apparently Weber's Indische Studien 2: 276, which gives two possible Arabic etymologies; but as Weber was notoriously unlucky in his etymological guesses, I would rather hear the opinions of knowledgeable list members.

Martin Gansten
Lund University

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu May  2 09:59:54 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 02 May 13 11:59:54 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Ny=C4=81yabh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya_e-text_added_to_SARIT.?=
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ccb=CV8WVhZC8HjD5FjwUTBP_RkY5OjRaf84tMZPCpedg@mail.gmail.com>

I am pleased to report the addition of an e-text of V?tsy?yana's
Ny?yabh??ya<http://sarit.indology.info/newphilo/navigate.pl?indologica.7>to
the SARIT online library.  The XML is also
downloadable <http://sarit.indology.info/downloads.shtml>, as usual.  I
expect the file will evolve in the future, with more corrections and
updates.  It is possible that a second, independent e-text of the same work
will be added to SARIT soon, and that will raise the interesting
possibility of file comparisons that I'll be exploring.

Best,
Dominik


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From chlodwig.h.werba at univie.ac.at  Thu May  2 12:07:33 2013
From: chlodwig.h.werba at univie.ac.at (Dr. Chlodwig H. Werba)
Date: Thu, 02 May 13 14:07:33 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mudda?
In-Reply-To: <24813ACCC4FD7E4BA49C84D3751BCCDE903BD631@CHIMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <E1UXsIV-0002VT-2w@justin.univie.ac.at>

No reason to mistrust Weber in this peculiar case. The word is clearly of Arabic origin; cf. also np. moddat.

With best wishes

Chlodwig H. Werba

 

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Von: INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info] Im Auftrag von Hock, Hans Henrich
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 01. Mai 2013 21:00
An: Martin Gansten
Cc: <indology at list.indology.info>
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mudda?

 

This couldn't be a later Indo-Aryan form corresponding to Skt. mudr?? 

 

Hans Henrich Hock







 

On 1 May 2013, at 08:23, Martin Gansten wrote:





I should be very grateful if anyone could enlighten me as to the meaning and etymology of the North Indian word mudd?, as in mudd? da??, referring to a particular astrological division of a single year of life (employed in var?aphala or annual horoscopy). Clearly the word is not of Sanskrit origin, although it made its way into Sanskrit in early modern times. Monier-Williams and B?htlingk just refer to mudda (with short -a) as an astrological term, without commenting on its meaning; the source is apparently Weber's Indische Studien 2: 276, which gives two possible Arabic etymologies; but as Weber was notoriously unlucky in his etymological guesses, I would rather hear the opinions of knowledgeable list members.

Martin Gansten
Lund University

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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Fri May  3 10:03:03 2013
From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Fri, 03 May 13 10:03:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #418
Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D942E0A0CBF@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de>


GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection:


Badarayana: Brahmasutra, with Madhva's Bhasya and Jagannatha's Dipika:
Adhy. 1, Pada 1: encoding error corrected
Adhy. 1, Pada 2 added
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm#BBrsMadhBhJaDip


__________________________________________________________________________

"GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement")

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages:

http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm





From wc3 at soas.ac.uk  Fri May  3 15:05:29 2013
From: wc3 at soas.ac.uk (Whitney Cox)
Date: Fri, 03 May 13 10:05:29 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: New Book on Food Culture in Mumbai
In-Reply-To: <42F88409C2324FE69623DB382E3BD91C@trin.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAMg1_hNR5gndf3hTbCXQq1oMqwkSW811ySpG9PvxKSFiFXnJHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I forward this to the list not only owing to its subject matter--perhaps of
interest to several members--but also for its publication model, in light
of the recent discussions of Open Access publishing.  This is the first
contact I've ever had from this publisher, and I know nothing about the
author or her work: caveat lector.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Open Book Publishers <general at openbookpublishers.com>
Date: 1 May 2013 08:46
Subject: New Book on Food Culture in Mumbai
To: wc3 at soas.ac.uk


 Dear Dr. Cox,



Open Book Publishers, a Cambridge-based non-profit publisher, is currently
running a campaign to make our new book, *Feeding the City: Work and Food
Culture of the Mumbai Dabbawalas* by Sara Roncaglia (details below) freely
available to all.  *Feeding the City* is an ethnographic study of the
fascinating inner workings of Mumbai?s dabbawalas, and I am contacting you
as I thought the book and campaign might be of interest to you.  If it is,
I hope that you might be willing to raise its profile by spreading the word
among your colleagues.



We are seeking funding for this publication through a crowd-sourcing
website called unglue.it, which enables people to pledge anything from $1
upwards to help make this book freely available to all.  You can view our
campaign here:



http://bit.ly/13qqv4S



Last summer we made *Oral Literature in Africa* by Ruth Finnegan available
for free forever, with donations from supporters reaching our target of
$7,500 in only a few weeks.  Since that book was published just over 7
months ago the free on-line edition has received over 7,000 visitors and
the free e-book has been downloaded over 4,000 times, with the work being
accessed more in Africa than on any other continent.



This spring we are hoping to have a similar impact with this new work on
the dabbawalas in Mumbai which, if our campaign is successful, will be both
free to read on-line and free to download in digital e-book formats,
particularly to people in India.  Our campaign is already well underway ?
to date 59 people have pledged over $1,700 ? but as we enter our final
month of fundraising we are still looking to raise the profile of this
book, and of our campaign to finance a freely-available edition.



We would love your support and assistance with spreading the word.  Further
details of Sara?s book are below, and if you would like any further
information about the book, the campaign, or how you can help, please don?t
hesitate to get in touch



Best wishes,

Catherine





Every day in Mumbai 5,000 dabbawalas distribute a staggering 200,000
home-cooked lunchboxes to the city's workers and students. Giving
employment and status to thousands of largely illiterate villagers from
Mumbai's hinterland, this co-operative has been in operation since the late
nineteenth century. It provides one of the most efficient delivery networks
in the world: only one lunch in six million goes astray.



Cultural anthropologist Sara Roncaglia explains how they cater to the
various dietary requirements of a diverse and increasingly global city,
where the preparation and consumption of food is pervaded with religious
and cultural significance. Developing the idea of "gastrosemantics" - a
language with which to discuss the broader implications of cooking and
eating - Roncaglia's study helps us to rethink our relationship to food at
a local and global level. *Feeding the City*was originally published in
Italian and we have translated, revised and updated it.







-- 


Dr. Whitney Cox
Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
SOAS, University of London
Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
London WC1H 0XG


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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Fri May  3 16:41:37 2013
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rosane Rocher)
Date: Fri, 03 May 13 12:41:37 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: New Book on Food Culture in Mumbai
In-Reply-To: <CAMg1_hNR5gndf3hTbCXQq1oMqwkSW811ySpG9PvxKSFiFXnJHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5183E8C1.10108@sas.upenn.edu>

Hi Whitney!

I don't know anything about this book, but I know that an eminent 
scholar in German literature is publishing with Open Book, and that they 
seem to have a distinguished editorial board.  So, all power to them for 
working for Open Access publishing.

A little bird told me that congratulations to you may be in order. Here 
are mine and Ludo's.

All best wishes to you and your family,
Rosane

On 5/3/13 11:05 AM, Whitney Cox wrote:
> I forward this to the list not only owing to its subject 
> matter--perhaps of interest to several members--but also for its 
> publication model, in light of the recent discussions of Open Access 
> publishing.  This is the first contact I've ever had from this 
> publisher, and I know nothing about the author or her work: caveat lector.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Open Book Publishers* <general at openbookpublishers.com 
> <mailto:general at openbookpublishers.com>>
> Date: 1 May 2013 08:46
> Subject: New Book on Food Culture in Mumbai
> To: wc3 at soas.ac.uk <mailto:wc3 at soas.ac.uk>
>
>
> Dear Dr. Cox,
>
> Open Book Publishers, a Cambridge-based non-profit publisher, is 
> currently running a campaign to make our new book, /Feeding the City: 
> Work and Food Culture of the Mumbai Dabbawalas/ by Sara Roncaglia 
> (details below) freely available to all. /Feeding the City/ is an 
> ethnographic study of the fascinating inner workings of Mumbai's 
> dabbawalas, and I am contacting you as I thought the book and campaign 
> might be of interest to you.  If it is, I hope that you might be 
> willing to raise its profile by spreading the word among your colleagues.
>
> We are seeking funding for this publication through a crowd-sourcing 
> website called unglue.it <http://unglue.it>, which enables people to 
> pledge anything from $1 upwards to help make this book freely 
> available to all.  You can view our campaign here:
>
> http://bit.ly/13qqv4S
>
> Last summer we made /Oral Literature in Africa/ by Ruth Finnegan 
> available for free forever, with donations from supporters reaching 
> our target of $7,500 in only a few weeks.  Since that book was 
> published just over 7 months ago the free on-line edition has received 
> over 7,000 visitors and the free e-book has been downloaded over 4,000 
> times, with the work being accessed more in Africa than on any other 
> continent.
>
> This spring we are hoping to have a similar impact with this new work 
> on the dabbawalas in Mumbai which, if our campaign is successful, will 
> be both free to read on-line and free to download in digital e-book 
> formats, particularly to people in India.  Our campaign is already 
> well underway -- to date 59 people have pledged over $1,700 -- but as 
> we enter our final month of fundraising we are still looking to raise 
> the profile of this book, and of our campaign to finance a 
> freely-available edition.
>
> We would love your support and assistance with spreading the word.  
> Further details of Sara's book are below, and if you would like any 
> further information about the book, the campaign, or how you can help, 
> please don't hesitate to get in touch
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Catherine
>
> Every day in Mumbai 5,000 dabbawalas distribute a staggering 200,000 
> home-cooked lunchboxes to the city's workers and students. Giving 
> employment and status to thousands of largely illiterate villagers 
> from Mumbai's hinterland, this co-operative has been in operation 
> since the late nineteenth century. It provides one of the most 
> efficient delivery networks in the world: only one lunch in six 
> million goes astray.
>
> Cultural anthropologist Sara Roncaglia explains how they cater to the 
> various dietary requirements of a diverse and increasingly global 
> city, where the preparation and consumption of food is pervaded with 
> religious and cultural significance. Developing the idea of 
> "gastrosemantics" - a language with which to discuss the broader 
> implications of cooking and eating - Roncaglia's study helps us to 
> rethink our relationship to food at a local and global level. /Feeding 
> the City/was originally published in Italian and we have translated, 
> revised and updated it.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> Dr. Whitney Cox
> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
> SOAS, University of London
> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
> London WC1H 0XG
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jmdelire at ulb.ac.be  Sat May  4 06:38:28 2013
From: jmdelire at ulb.ac.be (Jean-Michel Delire)
Date: Sat, 04 May 13 08:38:28 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jaipur
Message-ID: <166935184ace49f717@wm-srv.ulb.ac.be>

Dear members of the list,

I am going to sojourn in Jaipur for a month in order to get ahead with my work on Jai Singh II. Does anyone have some advice about the people to meet there and, above all, about accommodation, nice and not too expensive, for such a long period. I'll be there with my family, varying from two to five persons.

Thanks for your help,

Dr J.M.Delire
Lecturer on "Science and civilization in India - Sanskrit texts", University of Brussels





From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Sat May  4 18:04:11 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sat, 04 May 13 20:04:11 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mudda?
In-Reply-To: <E1UXsIV-0002VT-2w@justin.univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <51854D9B.4050005@pbhome.se>

Many thanks to all who replied on or off the list to my query on 
mudda/mudd?. It seems fairly clear that the word as used in an 
astrological context is indeed an Arabic borrowing, although the 
compound mudda- or mudd?-da?? looks a bit tautological 
('period-period'). A meaning along the lines of 'modified, adapted' 
would have been more satisfying, as a mudd?-da?? is in fact a modified 
sort of da??; but usage isn't always as logical as one might like...

Martin Gansten
Lund University





From suresh.kolichala at gmail.com  Sun May  5 21:14:46 2013
From: suresh.kolichala at gmail.com (Suresh Kolichala)
Date: Sun, 05 May 13 17:14:46 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mudda?
In-Reply-To: <51854D9B.4050005@pbhome.se>
Message-ID: <CAOXgvirL54R9RgyBnHW48QWHT_Y05O2j_yMSAKa=7CPY7FpyMA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Martin Gansten <martin.gansten at pbhome.se>wrote:

> Many thanks to all who replied on or off the list to my query on
> mudda/mudd?. It seems fairly clear that the word as used in an astrological
> context is indeed an Arabic borrowing, although the compound mudda- or
> mudd?-da?? looks a bit tautological ('period-period'). A meaning along the
> lines of 'modified, adapted' would have been more satisfying, as a
> mudd?-da?? is in fact a modified sort of da??; but usage isn't always as
> logical as one might like...


It is not uncommon to find redundant compounds in the Indian languages. In
Hindi, pleonastic compounds such as *tan*-*badan *(body-body), *dhan*-*daulat
*(wealth-wealth) and *n?t?*-*ri?ta *(relationship-relationship) are very
commonly used. What is interesting about these compounds is that while one
of the words in the compound is native, the other word is usually foreign
(Perso-Arabic).

For a discussion on pleonastic compounds in Dravidian, you may refer to:
Chandrasekaran, Periannan 2011  Pleonastic Compounding: An Ancient
Dravidian Word Structure. *Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies* 5: 1-57. (
http://www.laurasianacademy.com/pleonastic.pdf?)

Given the abundant evidence of redundant compounds in India, I don't see
anything unusual about the use of the compound *mudd?*-*da??.*

Regards,
Suresh.
Atlanta, GA.


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon May  6 18:01:27 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 06 May 13 20:01:27 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdaqYghnu8gtRuATKFUu7omQayc0WoQvFqKpKBX+5hTSQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm delighted to have received the latest five volumes of the NCC, vols.
20-25.
?

Here is the useful table of volume contents that is now printed on the back
of each volume.


[image: Inline images 1]


I always find these vols. hard to get.  In this case, a friend in Madras
bought them for me at the University of Madras Publications Office, and
personally mailed them to me.  I have found that MLBD is usually not able
to supply them, for some unknown reason.

Best,
Dominik

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From hegartyjm at googlemail.com  Tue May  7 11:31:52 2013
From: hegartyjm at googlemail.com (James Hegarty)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 12:31:52 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication Announcement
Message-ID: <1BFBAD53-2C1D-4D17-84CB-322FEDC2CBFB@gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

I am please to announce a new article published in Asian Literature and Translation (ALT):

Playing Around with ?akuntal?: Translating Sanskrit Drama for Performance

by Will Johnson 

ALT is an e-journal (ISSN: 2051-5863), which offers open-access publication.

The link for the article is:

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/share/research/centres/chra/whatwedo/chra-journal-contents.html

If you wish to know more about the Centre for the History of Religion in Asia at Cardiff University, please visit our website:

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/share/research/centres/chra/index1.html

One can also simply google 'CHRA Cardiff'.

With All Best Wishes,

James Hegarty
Cardiff University








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From pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de  Tue May  7 13:28:07 2013
From: pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 15:28:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdaqYghnu8gtRuATKFUu7omQayc0WoQvFqKpKBX+5hTSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51890167.5030101@uni-bonn.de>

Am 06.05.2013 20:01, schrieb Dominik Wujastyk:
> I always find these vols. hard to get.  In this case, a friend in 
> Madras bought them for me at the University of Madras Publications 
> Office, and personally mailed them to me.  I have found that MLBD is 
> usually not able to supply them, for some unknown reason.
Biblia Impex, New Delhi, has sent me an offer for US$ 95.00 (NCC vols. 
20-25). So it seems, some booksellers in the Delhi/New Delhi area are 
able to get it from Chennai.

All the best
Peter Wyzlic

-- 
Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften
Bibliothek
Universit?t Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May  7 13:49:56 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 15:49:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <51890167.5030101@uni-bonn.de>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd4i-=fiGUt0C3wr_DC100FPVyuwqeiWR6bgMQLTBar+g@mail.gmail.com>

$95 is just about right for the cost of the books and postage.

I'm afraid I refuse to do business with Biblia Impex or their sister
business Aditya Prakashan, because of their politics.  One of the few times
I've had a stand-up row with someone about their racism was with the
proprietor in their Delhi shop.  But I know that they are an efficient
company.

Best,
Dominik

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From ssandahl at sympatico.ca  Tue May  7 14:22:03 2013
From: ssandahl at sympatico.ca (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 10:22:03 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cd4i-=fiGUt0C3wr_DC100FPVyuwqeiWR6bgMQLTBar+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP5413E79FCFD02D619BF3EDBFBA0@phx.gbl>

Dear Dominik and all,
I am bombarded with different lists from D.K. Agencies in Delhi. Friends in Delhi tried to buy a book from them with the rupee price. They claimed they did not have it. Later a Canadian friend here in Toronto ordered it for me from their Delhi outlet at their very inflated dollar price.
I have long resented the inflated dollar prices which Indian book agencies seem to uniformly apply. What can be done about it? Except buying the books when in India.
Best
Stella
--
Stella Sandahl
ssandahl at sympatico.ca



On 2013-05-07, at 9:49 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> $95 is just about right for the cost of the books and postage.  
> 
> I'm afraid I refuse to do business with Biblia Impex or their sister business Aditya Prakashan, because of their politics.  One of the few times I've had a stand-up row with someone about their racism was with the proprietor in their Delhi shop.  But I know that they are an efficient company.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> ??
> 
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May  7 14:38:36 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 16:38:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP5413E79FCFD02D619BF3EDBFBA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdOc1ADHUBsQsCJCzZd+EmiRTm3gDHba8RNxd4J=kjwtg@mail.gmail.com>

?Dear Stella,

?I'm sorry your friends had a bad experience.  ?
?
D. K. Agencies
?normally ?
run a very professional service, with in-house MARC cataloguing to Library
of Congress standards. But my experience
?, dating back ?
about ten years
?,?
was also that they were
?good but ?
expensive.

Since then, the Indian Govt. has hugely ratcheted up the postal rates for
shipping books out of India.  It's a completely different prospect now,
than in the past, to send a book parcel from India to an international
destination.  And that has hit the international business of
?book distribution ?
companies
hard.

Best,
Dominik


On 7 May 2013 16:22, Stella Sandahl <ssandahl at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dear Dominik and all,
> I am bombarded with different lists from D.K. Agencies in Delhi. Friends
> in Delhi tried to buy a book from them with the rupee price. They claimed
> they did not have it. Later a Canadian friend here in Toronto ordered it
> for me from their Delhi outlet at their very inflated dollar price.
>  I have long resented the inflated dollar prices which Indian book
> agencies seem to uniformly apply. What can be done about it? Except buying
> the books when in India.
> Best
> Stella
> --
> Stella Sandahl
> ssandahl at sympatico.ca
>
>
>
>


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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Tue May  7 18:14:56 2013
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rosane Rocher)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 14:14:56 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdOc1ADHUBsQsCJCzZd+EmiRTm3gDHba8RNxd4J=kjwtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <518944A0.1040907@sas.upenn.edu>

Dear Stella,

British publishers with whom I have had to deal are nearly as bad 
applying an outrageous exchange rate between British pounds and American 
dollars.  If not a disease, it seems to be a racket.

Rosane

On 5/7/13 10:38 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> Dear Stella,
>
> I'm sorry your friends had a bad experience.
> D. K. Agencies
> normally
> run a very professional service, with in-house MARC cataloguing to 
> Library of Congress standards. But my experience
> , dating back
> about ten years
> ,
> was also that they were
> good but
> expensive.
>
> Since then, the Indian Govt. has hugely ratcheted up the postal rates 
> for shipping books out of India.  It's a completely different prospect 
> now, than in the past, to send a book parcel from India to an 
> international destination.  And that has hit the international 
> business of
> book distribution
> companies
> hard.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
> On 7 May 2013 16:22, Stella Sandahl <ssandahl at sympatico.ca 
> <mailto:ssandahl at sympatico.ca>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Dominik and all,
>     I am bombarded with different lists from D.K. Agencies in Delhi.
>     Friends in Delhi tried to buy a book from them with the rupee
>     price. They claimed they did not have it. Later a Canadian friend
>     here in Toronto ordered it for me from their Delhi outlet at their
>     very inflated dollar price.
>     I have long resented the inflated dollar prices which Indian book
>     agencies seem to uniformly apply. What can be done about it?
>     Except buying the books when in India.
>     Best
>     Stella
>     --
>     Stella Sandahl
>     ssandahl at sympatico.ca <mailto:ssandahl at sympatico.ca>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info



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From ssandahl at sympatico.ca  Tue May  7 21:29:10 2013
From: ssandahl at sympatico.ca (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 17:29:10 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdOc1ADHUBsQsCJCzZd+EmiRTm3gDHba8RNxd4J=kjwtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP67700DB70AD2C6572D0048BFBA0@phx.gbl>

Dear Dominik and all,
The postal rate has indeed gone up, but that's outside the listed dollar price.
And Rosanne informs us that the British are as bad...
Well, we book reading community seem to be some kind of dinosaurs anyway.
Sadly,
 Stella
--
Stella Sandahl
ssandahl at sympatico.ca



On 2013-05-07, at 10:38 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> ?Dear Stella,
> 
> ?I'm sorry your friends had a bad experience.  ??D. K. Agencies ?normally ?run a very professional service, with in-house MARC cataloguing to Library of Congress standards. But my experience ?, dating back ?about ten years?,? was also that they were ?good but ?expensive.
> 
> Since then, the Indian Govt. has hugely ratcheted up the postal rates for shipping books out of India.  It's a completely different prospect now, than in the past, to send a book parcel from India to an international destination.  And that has hit the international business of ?book distribution ?companies hard.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> 
> On 7 May 2013 16:22, Stella Sandahl <ssandahl at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Dear Dominik and all,
> I am bombarded with different lists from D.K. Agencies in Delhi. Friends in Delhi tried to buy a book from them with the rupee price. They claimed they did not have it. Later a Canadian friend here in Toronto ordered it for me from their Delhi outlet at their very inflated dollar price.
> I have long resented the inflated dollar prices which Indian book agencies seem to uniformly apply. What can be done about it? Except buying the books when in India.
> Best
> Stella
> --
> Stella Sandahl
> ssandahl at sympatico.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From s.hodge at padmacholing.plus.com  Tue May  7 22:59:02 2013
From: s.hodge at padmacholing.plus.com (Stephen Hodge)
Date: Tue, 07 May 13 23:59:02 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Catalogus Catalogorum
In-Reply-To: <518944A0.1040907@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <E74AC1A122764177BF0513E69F882ABF@zen>

Rosane Rocher wrote:
 > If not a disease, it seems to be a racket.

This seems fairly universal (inflated exchange rates) ~ I experienced the 
same in Japan years ago.  The excuse used is that the value of various 
currencies fluctuate and that has to be protected and then there is the bank 
exchange commission tto add on.  Also note that businesses NEVER the 
official bank exchange rate nor tyhe tourist rate.

Best wishes,
Stephen Hodge






From kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Wed May  8 07:15:45 2013
From: kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Agathe Keller)
Date: Wed, 08 May 13 09:15:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doc/Post doc History of mathematics in astral sciences -ancient and medieval India
Message-ID: <CAJy8Wd2zNFZTAWgBAWHOQFrKaAVL3TBKyRx75ZoDWbzRB3qNpw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,


Please find attached a call for application related to a PhD and/or
post-doctoral positions that is advertised in the context of the ERC
project SAW "Mathematical Sciences in the Ancient World", dealing with the
history of mathematics in astral sciences in India.
I am pasting bellow the gist of the scholarship call, more details are
given in the attached file.
I would be grateful  if you could forward this call to whoever might be
interested in it, and do not hesitate to contact me if you have any
questions.
Best
Agathe Keller, with the SAW group


 The great majority of mathematical texts known from the ancient and
medieval Indian subcontinent are chapters in theoretical treatises on
astral sciences written in Sanskrit. Are these mathematics different from
the mathematics found elsewhere in the Indian subcontinent and not related
to astral science? What was the relation between the chapters on
mathematics and the computations and algorithms expounded in other chapters
of the same treatise? How were these mathematics related to mathematical
tools used in the wider realm of the astral corpus (in horoscopy,
astrology...). For example a research proposal could aim at tracing and
characterizing the use of similar algorithms, like the Rule of Three, the
Pythagorean theorem, rules to derive and interpolate Sines, algorithms to
solve indeterminate problems, or others, in different parts of a treatise,
or else across different texts by a same author. Were there mathematical
practices that were standard in astral science and not found in
mathematical chapters and vice-versa?

More generally, any research project that would help understand the
specificities of mathematical activities adhering in one way or another to
astral sciences, by contrast to other mathematical practices attested to in
the Indian subcontinent, and/or involve sources in Indian languages that
are not Sanskrit would be welcomed.

Applicants are expected to mention specific sources and topics on the basis
of which they intend to explore these questions.

   -

   The deadline for applications is: June 21, 2013 (for the position to be
   taken up as of September 1, 2013 or as early as possible thereafter).
   Short-listed candidates will be informed at the beginning of July 2013 and
   phone or Skype interviews are expected to take place during the first week
   of July 2013.

   The scholarship is granted for one year. Pending positive evaluation,
   the doctoral scholarship is renewable for two additional years and
the post-doctoral
   scholarship is renewable for one additional year. The monthly stipend
   amounts to about 1400 euros for the doctoral scholarship and to about 2000
   euros for the post-doctoral scholarship (amounts to be updated at the
   contract signing). It includes social security benefits and retirement
   provisions. In the case of a doctoral scholarship, the recipient, under the
   supervision of Agathe Keller, will have to achieve a degree of the academic
   institution the SAW project is affiliated to.

   Applications should be sent to the SAW Project Director Karine
Chemla by email
   only: chemla at univ-paris-diderot.fr. It is recommended to request an
   email acknowledgement of receipt.

   Information on the SAW project is available online at
http://www.sphere.univ-paris-diderot.fr/?-ERC-
   Project-SAW-&lang=en<http://www.sphere.univ-paris-diderot.fr/?-ERC-Project-SAW-&lang=en>


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed May  8 11:38:55 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 08 May 13 13:38:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doc/Post doc History of mathematics in astral sciences -ancient and medieval India
In-Reply-To: <CAJy8Wd2zNFZTAWgBAWHOQFrKaAVL3TBKyRx75ZoDWbzRB3qNpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcaORkcA4dpu=tbLj26Wny_Ld6j6w=R=Ztx8ri4btUySQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Agathe, I've posted a copy of the advertisement on the HSSA website:

   - http://hssa.sayahna.org/ojs/index.php/hssa/announcement

Best,
Dominik



On 8 May 2013 09:15, Agathe Keller <kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
> Please find attached a call for application related to a PhD and/or
> post-doctoral positions that is advertised in the context of the ERC
> project SAW "Mathematical Sciences in the Ancient World", dealing with the
> history of mathematics in astral sciences in India.
> I am pasting bellow the gist of the scholarship call, more details are
> given in the attached file.
> I would be grateful  if you could forward this call to whoever might be
> interested in it, and do not hesitate to contact me if you have any
> questions.
> Best
> Agathe Keller, with the SAW group
>
?[...]?


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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Wed May  8 21:57:11 2013
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Eli Franco)
Date: Wed, 08 May 13 23:57:11 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Around Abhinavagupta
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdaqYghnu8gtRuATKFUu7omQayc0WoQvFqKpKBX+5hTSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130508235711.29867efywei4nozb@mail.uni-leipzig.de>

Dear friends and colleagues,
We are pleased to announce the forthcoming conference "Around Abhinavagupta:
Aspects of the Intellectual History of Kashmir from the 9th to the  
11th Centuries" to be held in Leipzig, June 7-10, 2013.
For further information, please see the attached program.
With best wishes,
Eli Franco


-- 
Prof. Dr. Eli Franco
Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
Schillerstr. 6
04109 Leipzig

Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office)
Fax +49 341 9737 148


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From lharring at bu.edu  Thu May  9 16:52:34 2013
From: lharring at bu.edu (Laura Harrington)
Date: Thu, 09 May 13 12:52:34 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seeking article: Annual Report of the Royal Asiatic	Society (1860)
Message-ID: <CAMGYQeQRE-M0C6U-jWBpjCW6ndet3DW0Xuh9u_iT0JZAUgLBag@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the inconvenience -- am looking for the obit of Horace Hayman
Wilson that appeared in the Annual Report of the Royal Asiatic Society
(1860), and am having technical difficulties downloading it thru my
university library. If you have it easily to hand, it would be much
appreciated.

Thank you,

Laura Harrington,
Boston University


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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Thu May  9 17:09:32 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Thu, 09 May 13 17:09:32 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [Indology] Satasahasrika Prajnaparamita
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC70016DA489@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

First of all, my apologies for cross-posting. Due to popular demand, I have uploaded my scans of Prataptacandra Ghose's edition of the Satasahasrika Prajnaparamita onto the Internet Archive site (my thanks to Dominik Wujastyk for advice on how to do it).

For those interested, go to http://archive.org/index.php   and search for "Satasahasrika" . There are three rather big files there. I apologize for the quality (my thumbs sometimes appear in the scan). I had originally intended this for my own research. I only hope it will be of service to others.

Best,



-j



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University







From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu May  9 18:48:25 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 09 May 13 20:48:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Scan Tailor (was: [Indology] Satasahasrika	Prajnaparamita)
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd_ZLLsvMBNf4qXUr5De+JoNMPPqDVsObKvn5huA789wQ@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to Joseph for making this text readily available at archive.org!

Incidentally, while we're talking about scanning, there's a nifty tool
called Scan Tailor that can greatly improve the quality of scans.  It's
free (as in beer), Open Source (free as in speech), and available
ready-compiled for Windows and Linux.  Get your copy here:

   - http://scantailor.sourceforge.net/

Scan Tailor can semi-automatically separate scanned book openings into left
and right pages; it can recognize the outline of the printed area of the
page; it can provide new, clean margins; it can clean up speckles and even
do some de-warping.  The results are excellent, though it does take some
hand-holding, so one has to invest a bit of time to do a whole book.   But
90% of the work is automatic.  Recommended.

Best,

Dominik


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From audrey.truschke at gmail.com  Fri May 10 14:13:48 2013
From: audrey.truschke at gmail.com (Audrey Truschke)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 15:13:48 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Launch of the New Perso-Indica Website
Message-ID: <CAKq175qAGx46VL6LjZ1Yt6z-grUE9JRmi2=2e-eMprgzmqEXSg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Some of you may be interested in the launch of the new website of
Perso-Indica: an analytical Survey of Persian Works on Indian Learned
Traditions. http://www.perso-indica.net/.

Perso-Indica is an ongoing research project that seeks to produce a
comprehensive critical survey of Persian works on Indian learned traditions
(above all, Sanskrit). The project covers treatises and translations
produced in India between the 13th and the 19th centuries. With the launch
of the new website, forty-five preliminary entries are now live, and the
dynamic indexes allow unprecedented insight into the extent and nature of
Indo-Persian interest in Indian knowledge systems.

We will be adding to the Perso-Indica website in the coming months and hope
that the project will significantly advance scholarly knowledge about one
of the largest translation movements in Indian history.

Audrey
--
Audrey Truschke
Research Fellow, 2012 Caius Fund Research Fellow
Gonville and Caius College
University of Cambridge
audrey.truschke at gmail.com
http://www.columbia.edu/~aat2120/


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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Fri May 10 15:08:25 2013
From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 15:08:25 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #419
Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D942E0A1281@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de>


GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection:


Agni-Purana [BI-ed.]: revised: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/#AgniP_BI


Badarayana: Brahmasutra, with Madhva's Bhasya and Jagannatha's Dipika:
Adhy. 1, Padas 1 and 2 revised
Adhy. 1, Pada 3 added
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm#BBrsMadhBhJaDip


__________________________________________________________________________

"GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement")

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages:

http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm





From ssandahl at sympatico.ca  Fri May 10 15:42:05 2013
From: ssandahl at sympatico.ca (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 11:42:05 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Wagner opera to be revived in a dead language
In-Reply-To: <280E23A1-0CF0-4661-A60E-4120077BD595@utoronto.ca>
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Dear all,
Just received this interesting message from a friend. I think it is worth sharing. So now we know what sakaaya niruttiyaa means, at least at Oxford.
--

Professor Stella Sandahl
Department of East Asian Studies
130 St. George St. room 14087
Toronto, ON M5S 3H1
ssandahl at sympatico.ca
stella.sandahl at utoronto.ca
 


Begin forwarded message:

>  
> Dear Stella,
> 
> An intriguing idea. A pity, though, that they seem to think the Buddha spoke Pali.
> 
> http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2013/05/wagner-opera-to-be-revived-in-a-dead-language.html
> 
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From e.ciurtin at gmail.com  Fri May 10 16:27:26 2013
From: e.ciurtin at gmail.com (Eugen Ciurtin)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 19:27:26 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAAeSjS+wTRtuCDdpUr9prZgkOMKX24d+c2sYVjC50P5zwBd3vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Colleagues of mine and I would be very pleased to have an e-copy of a
rather rare article, hard however to find in European libraries:

Cornelia Dimmitt Church, "Eschatology as the denial of  death in Indian and
Iranian myth", Ohio Journal of Religious Studies 1 (1973), no. 2, pp. 29-37

Many thanks in advance for your kindness.

Best wishes,
Eugen Ciurtin

-- 
Dr E. Ciurtin
Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions

Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions
www.easr.eu

Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council
Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy
Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711
Phone: 00 40 733 951 953


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From selwyn at ntlworld.com  Fri May 10 16:49:54 2013
From: selwyn at ntlworld.com (L.S. Cousins)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 17:49:54 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Wagner opera to be revived in a dead language
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP923488AAC5BC565624DC50BFA50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <518D2532.6050504@ntlworld.com>

That's a little unfair. What it actually says is:

"The ancient Indian language of Pali is the best surviving clue as to 
how people spoke in the Buddha?s day."

That's about right.

Lance Cousins


On 10/05/2013 16:42, Stella Sandahl wrote:
> Dear all,
> Just received this interesting message from a friend. I think it is
> worth sharing. So now we know what sakaaya niruttiyaa means, at least
> at Oxford.
> --
>
> Professor Stella Sandahl
> Department of East Asian Studies
> 130 St. George St. room 14087
> Toronto, ON M5S 3H1
> ssandahl at sympatico.ca <mailto:ssandahl at sympatico.ca>
> stella.sandahl at utoronto.ca <mailto:stella.sandahl at utoronto.ca>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> **
>> Dear Stella,
>>
>> An intriguing idea. A pity, though, that they seem to think the
>> Buddha spoke Pali.
>>
>> http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2013/05/wagner-opera-to-be-revived-in-a-dead-language.html
>>
>>






From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Fri May 10 18:24:13 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 13:24:13 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: metre help - timely.
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN9-EaWj5aFCj5eeLjA+jwoTe8QrbxKArUgyfutFYRhNyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN9ZS-hwQ=SG9NPfXzc74vP5dLdRjBuXP66kYOK7siwgyg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

I am having quite a bit of trouble identifying the metre of a dhy?na-?loka
of ??rad?. It's mystifying me, but then I am not an expert in metrics. At
23 syllables per hemistich, I assume it must be a J?ti-type metre (measured
in m?tras), but I can't seem to identify it. Here is the verse and the
scansion, any help would be much appreciated!

?aktic?pa?aragha??ik?sudh?p?tra-ratna-kala?opalasat-kar?? <|>
p?r?acandra-vadan?? trilocan?? ??rad?? namata sarvasiddhiprad?m ||

- u - u u u - u - u - - u - u u u - u u - u -
- u - u u u - u - u - - u - u u u - u - u u -

u = laghu
-  = guru

best,
Christopher Wallis
UC Berkeley


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From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Fri May 10 18:36:34 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 20:36:34 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: metre help - timely.
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN9ZS-hwQ=SG9NPfXzc74vP5dLdRjBuXP66kYOK7siwgyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <518D3E32.3040303@pbhome.se>

It looks to me like a slightly corrupt rathoddhat? verse. Could it be 
that it should run something like this?

?aktic?pa?aragha??ik?sudh?p?tra-ratna-kala?opaLAK?IT?? /
p?r?acandra-vadan?? trilocan?? ??rad?? namata sarvasiddhi[-]d?m //

Martin Gansten
Lund University


Christopher Wallis skrev 2013-05-10 20:24:
> Dear list members,
>
> I am having quite a bit of trouble identifying the metre of a
> dhy?na-?loka of ??rad?. It's mystifying me, but then I am not an expert
> in metrics. At 23 syllables per hemistich, I assume it must be a
> J?ti-type metre (measured in m?tras), but I can't seem to identify it.
> Here is the verse and the scansion, any help would be much appreciated!
>
> ?aktic?pa?aragha??ik?sudh?p?tra-ratna-kala?opalasat-kar?? <|>
> p?r?acandra-vadan?? trilocan????rad?? namata sarvasiddhiprad?m ||
>
> - u - u u u - u - u - - u - u u u - u u - u -
> - u - u u u - u - u - - u - u u u - u - u u -
>
> u = laghu
> -  = guru
>
> best,
> Christopher Wallis
> UC Berkeley
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>






From danbalogh at gmail.com  Fri May 10 19:43:55 2013
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Balogh_D=C3=A1niel?=)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 21:43:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: metre help - timely.
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN9ZS-hwQ=SG9NPfXzc74vP5dLdRjBuXP66kYOK7siwgyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <518D4DFB.6040400@gmail.com>

Corrupt rathoddhat? sounds very convincing; if emendation is acceptable, 
I'd suggest kala?ollasatkar?? as a less invasive sort of surgery than 
kala?opaLAK?IT??.
All the best,
Daniel





From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Fri May 10 20:36:18 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Fri, 10 May 13 22:36:18 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: metre help - timely.
In-Reply-To: <518D4DFB.6040400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <518D5A42.6030503@pbhome.se>

I second that. Should have thought of it myself. :-)

Martin Gansten


Balogh D?niel skrev 2013-05-10 21:43:
> Corrupt rathoddhat? sounds very convincing; if emendation is acceptable,
> I'd suggest kala?ollasatkar?? as a less invasive sort of surgery than
> kala?opaLAK?IT??.
> All the best,
> Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info






From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Sat May 11 17:37:02 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Sat, 11 May 13 12:37:02 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: metre help - timely.
In-Reply-To: <518D4DFB.6040400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN9e8hoTbbWeRKejEuomPQ7rSk0ZcWvGzaQz4h7Z4N_ZbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for your expertise, Martin and Daniel!  That solved the problem
neatly. As you know, we American scholars do not possess the skill of the
Europeans in the art of emendation, so I appreciate your help.

best,
Chris


On 10 May 2013 14:43, Balogh D?niel <danbalogh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Corrupt rathoddhat? sounds very convincing; if emendation is acceptable,
> I'd suggest kala?ollasatkar?? as a less invasive sort of surgery than
> kala?opaLAK?IT??.
> All the best,
> Daniel
>
>
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From e.ciurtin at gmail.com  Sat May 11 21:36:20 2013
From: e.ciurtin at gmail.com (Eugen Ciurtin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 13 00:36:20 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeSjS+wTRtuCDdpUr9prZgkOMKX24d+c2sYVjC50P5zwBd3vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAeSjSLt4iHcMrCkNS=fgVOwGZsCpDCj=eUt=mdZV-STx9TqFA@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to very much thank Professors Luis Gonzalez-Reimann, Matthew
Kapstein and Dan Lusthaus for generously and instantly providing
information and a scan of the 1993 republication of Cornelia Dimmitt
Church's article. [Please feel free to ask for it, when needed.]

best,
Eugen


2013/5/10 Eugen Ciurtin <e.ciurtin at gmail.com>

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Colleagues of mine and I would be very pleased to have an e-copy of a
> rather rare article, hard however to find in European libraries:
>
> Cornelia Dimmitt Church, "Eschatology as the denial of  death in Indian
> and Iranian myth", Ohio Journal of Religious Studies 1 (1973), no. 2, pp.
> 29-37
>
> Many thanks in advance for your kindness.
>
> Best wishes,
> Eugen Ciurtin
>
> --
> Dr E. Ciurtin
> Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions
>
> Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions
> www.easr.eu
>
> Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council
> Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy
> Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711
> Phone: 00 40 733 951 953
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>



-- 
Dr E. Ciurtin
Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions

Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions
www.easr.eu

Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council
Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy
Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711
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From ph2046 at columbia.edu  Sun May 12 17:00:04 2013
From: ph2046 at columbia.edu (Paul Hackett)
Date: Sun, 12 May 13 13:00:04 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari font that functions in InDesign?
Message-ID: <0BE2894C-56EB-4C84-A2BD-2328EE98C597@columbia.edu>

Dear members of the list,

   Does anyone know of a Unicode Devan?gar? font that functions under Adobe's InDesign?  I have been unable to locate one either for free or for sale.

   All of the available Unicode Devan?gar? fonts that I have found and attempted to use (Devanagari Sangam, e-Nagari, Devanagari MT, JanaHindi, Nakula, Sahadeva, Sakal Bharati, etc.) break up conjuncts and misplace preceding vowels in documents under InDesign.

   Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Paul Hackett
Columbia University






From pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de  Sun May 12 17:31:59 2013
From: pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Sun, 12 May 13 19:31:59 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari font that functions in InDesign?
In-Reply-To: <0BE2894C-56EB-4C84-A2BD-2328EE98C597@columbia.edu>
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Am 12.05.2013 um 19:00 schrieb Paul Hackett:

> Does anyone know of a Unicode Devan?gar? font that functions under Adobe's InDesign?  I have been unable to locate one either for free or for sale.
> 
>   All of the available Unicode Devan?gar? fonts that I have found and attempted to use (Devanagari Sangam, e-Nagari, Devanagari MT, JanaHindi, Nakula, Sahadeva, Sakal Bharati, etc.) break up conjuncts and misplace preceding vowels in documents under InDesign.

This blog describes how to make work Devanagari in InDesign CS 6, URL: <http://blogs.adobe.com/vikrant/2012/05/indesign-cs6-indic-support-and-preferences/>. Maybe it helps.

All the best
Peter Wyzlic

--
Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften
Bibliothek
Universit?t Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
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From bdiaconescu at hotmail.com  Sun May 12 19:50:40 2013
From: bdiaconescu at hotmail.com (B)
Date: Sun, 12 May 13 21:50:40 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication Announcement
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP348166D34F73C26535CFA02A3A70@phx.gbl>

Dear Colleagues,

I am pleased to announce (with some delay) the following publication:

Bogdan Diaconescu. Debating Verbal Cognition: The Theory of the 
Principal Qualificand (mukhyavis'es.ya) in Classical Indian Thought. 
Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 2012. xiii+533 pages. ISBN: 
978-81-208-3634-1 (Hardbound). INR 595.

http://www.mlbd.com/BookDecription.aspx?id=18108

With kind regards,

Bogdan Diaconescu



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From pahitatta at gmail.com  Sun May 12 20:17:24 2013
From: pahitatta at gmail.com (Ales Petrocchi)
Date: Sun, 12 May 13 22:17:24 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Request_infromation_on_Si=E1=B9=83hatilaka_S=C5=ABri?=
Message-ID: <CAFWPYfjpiDVr1sRpBoezpde+37yyNqzb6+9gB5ZZp4cGyeR=rQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

I would appreciate any suggestions about the following:

I am translating for my PhD thesis  part of the commentary on the Sanskrit
mathematical text *Ga?itatilaka *by ?r?pati.

The commentator Si?hatilaka S?ri was a Jain from Gujarat (13th  CE).
According to Pingree, he also wrote a  *v?tti* on the *Bhuvanad?paka* by
Padmaprabha S?ri.

Does anyone know if there is a published edition of it ? (the *v?tti*  I
mean)

 It seems the commentator is also the author of the
*R??ima??alastavayantr?lekhanam
: anuv?da tath? bh?v?rtha sahita *

and of the *?r?si?hatilakas?riviracita? Mantrar?ja rahasyam.*

In the published edition of the *Ga?itatilaka* by Kapad?? 1937, one finds
that the  incomplete unique manuscript of this work was possessed by Sheth
Mohanlal Hemacand Jhaveri.

I wonder if anybody knows where this manuscript is right now.

The majestic but unfinished Pingree ?s Census cannot unfortunately  help!

Any suggestions?

The edition was published by the Baroda Oriental Institute.  By the way, I
am going to Gujarat for research reasons sometimes in the next year.

Thank you very much in advance,

yours,

Alessandra Petrocchi.


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From ph2046 at columbia.edu  Sun May 12 20:28:22 2013
From: ph2046 at columbia.edu (Paul Hackett)
Date: Sun, 12 May 13 16:28:22 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari font that functions in InDesign?
In-Reply-To: <94FEFE5D-7BFC-4106-80E8-F04A9EA059D5@uni-bonn.de>
Message-ID: <365F9716-84F9-40CB-832A-1FFFDE9948AA@columbia.edu>

Dear colleagues,

   I am happy to report partial success, based on the information in the link that Peter provided:

> <http://blogs.adobe.com/vikrant/2012/05/indesign-cs6-indic-support-and-preferences/>. 


I should mention that I am working on Mac OS machines (running OS X.7 and OS X.8).

Although I did not have success with the World-ready template and did not pursue any of the information pertaining to version CS4 (I am running CS 5.5 and CS 3.3), I did have luck under CS 5.5 with one of the third-party options -- the IndicPlus plugin by MetaDesign (Free 7-day trial; $49.99):

	http://www.metadesignsolutions.com/products/indicplus-indesign-cs4-5.php

There are free trial installs for CS 2/CS 3, as well as for CS 4 through CS 6.

The trial version of the plugin for CS 2/CS 3 did not work for me under InDesign CS 3.3, however the CS 4-5 plugin *DID* work under CS 5.5.

In InDesign CS 5.5, the IndicPlus plugin correctly resequenced vowel marks in (apparently) all the Devanagari fonts that I tried, but only formed correct conjunct characters for some fonts.

The legacy "Devanagari MT" from Mac OS X.2 (?) does not work (perhaps it is just too old), but other fonts such as "Nakula" and "Sahadeva" available from John Smith's webpage:

	http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/devanagari/index.html

as well as the "Sanskrit2003" font from Itranslator:

	http://www.sanskritweb.net/itrans/#SANS2003

and the "Chandas" and "Uttara" fonts from:

	http://www.sanskritweb.net/cakram/index.html

all work just fine now.  Presumably, other more recent fonts will work as well.

Much thanks to everyone,

Paul Hackett
Columbia University


On May 12, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Peter Wyzlic wrote:

> 
> Am 12.05.2013 um 19:00 schrieb Paul Hackett:
> 
>> Does anyone know of a Unicode Devan?gar? font that functions under Adobe's InDesign?  I have been unable to locate one either for free or for sale.
>> 
>>   All of the available Unicode Devan?gar? fonts that I have found and attempted to use (Devanagari Sangam, e-Nagari, Devanagari MT, JanaHindi, Nakula, Sahadeva, Sakal Bharati, etc.) break up conjuncts and misplace preceding vowels in documents under InDesign.
> 
> This blog describes how to make work Devanagari in InDesign CS 6, URL: <http://blogs.adobe.com/vikrant/2012/05/indesign-cs6-indic-support-and-preferences/>. Maybe it helps.
> 
> All the best
> Peter Wyzlic
> 
> --
> Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften
> Bibliothek
> Universit?t Bonn
> Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
> 53113 Bonn



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From csangyeob at gmail.com  Tue May 14 04:12:53 2013
From: csangyeob at gmail.com (Sangyeob Cha)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 13:12:53 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication Announcement - The Foundation for Yoga	Practitioners
Message-ID: <CAN1pRvSm0oL9WSixkhhdV4j8ZDXa+dZ7R8R9e-vi0jDPvOFpCA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,
On behalf of Harvard and Geumgang universities, it is our great
pleasure to announce the publication of volume 75 in the Harvard
Oriental Series:
?The Foundation for Yoga Practitioners: The Buddhist Yogacarabhumi
Treatise and Its Adaptation in India, East Asia, and Tibet?, edited by
Ulrich Timme Kragh, hardcover, 1429 pp., $95 USD.

The volume contains new research articles on Yogacara Buddhism by 34
senior and junior scholars from East Asia, Europe, and North America.
The focus of the volume is the 4th-century Indian Buddhist treatise
?Yogacarabhumi,? a monumental text on Buddhist contemplative
traditions and doctrines, along with studies on the text?s reception
history in India, East Asia, and Tibet.

For further information and details about ordering, see the catalog
page of Harvard University Press:
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674725430&content=book
The book can already be ordered from HUP?s office in Massachusetts and
will shortly become available from its London subsidiary. The book
will officially go on sale only July 1. The volume?s list of contents
(without diacritics) follows below.

With best regards,
Dr. Sangyeob Cha
HK Professor, Geumgang Center for Buddhist Studies, South Korea


?The Foundation for Yoga Practitioners: The Buddhist Yogacarabhumi
Treatise and Its Adaptation in India, East Asia, and Tibet?
LIST OF CONTENTS:

Dedication of the volume to Prof. Dr. Lambert Schmithausen, p. 6.
Foreword by Geumgang University, p. 8-9.
Acknowledgements, p. 10-11.
Preface, pp. 16-20.
?The Yogacarabhumi and Its Adaptation: Introductory Essay with a
Summary of the Basic Section? by Ulrich Timme Kragh, pp. 22-287.

SECTION I. THE YOGACARABHUMI: BACKGROUND AND ENVIRONMENT

Tilmann Vetter, ?Early Mahayana and 'The Bodhisattvas of the Ten
Directions',? pp. 290-311.

Noriaki Hakamaya (????), ?Serving and Served Monks in the
Yogacarabhumi,? pp. 312-328.

Hidenori S. Sakuma (?????), ?Remarks on the Lineage of Indian Masters
of the Yogacara School: Maitreya, Asanga, and Vasubandhu,? pp.
330-366.

Hartmut Buescher, ?Distinguishing the Two Vasubandhus, the Bhasyakara
and the Kosakara, as Yogacara-Vijnanavada Authors,? pp. 368-396.

Noritoshi Aramaki (????), ?Two Notes on the Formation of the
Yogacarabhumi Text-Complex,? pp. 398-439.

Lambert Schmithausen, ?Kusala and Akusala: Reconsidering the Original
Meaning of a Basic Pair of Terms of Buddhist Spirituality and Ethics
and Its Development up to Early Yogacara,? pp. 440-495.

SECTION II. THE YOGACARABHUMI: THE TEXT

Martin Delhey, ?The Yogacarabhumi Corpus: Sources, Editions,
Translations, and Reference Works,? pp. 498-561.

SECTION II.1 THE YOGACARABHUMI: THE BASIC SECTION (*MAULYO BHUMAYAH)

Koichi Takahashi (????), ?The Premise of Vastu in the Manobhumi,? pp. 564-577.

Dan Lusthaus, ?A Note on Medicine and Psychosomatic Relations in the
First Two Bhumis of the Yogacarabhumi,? pp. 578-595.

Nobuyoshi Yamabe (????), ?Parallel Passages between the Manobhumi and
the *Yogacarabhumi of Samgharaksa,? pp. 596-737.

Robert Kritzer, ?Garbhavakrantau ('In the Garbhavakranti'): Quotations
from the Garbhavakrantisutra in Abhidharma Literature and the
Yogacarabhumi,? pp. 738-771.

Peter Skilling, ?Nets of Intertextuality: Embedded Scriptural
Citations in the Yogacarabhumi,? pp. 772-790.

Yasunori Sugawara (????), ?The Bhavanamayi Bhumih: Contents and
Formation,? pp. 792-851.

Alexander von Rospatt, ?Remarks on the Bhavanamayi Bhumih and Its
Treatment of Practice,? pp. 852-871.

Michael Zimmermann, ?The Chapter on Right Conduct in the
Bodhisattvabhumi,? pp. 872-883.

Florin Deleanu, ?Meditative Practices in the Bodhisattvabhumi: Quest
for and Liberation through the Thing-In-Itself,? pp. 884-919.

SECTION II.2 THE YOGACARABHUMI: THE SUPPLEMENTARY SECTION (SAMGRAHANI)

William S. Waldron, ?Alayavijnana as Keystone Dharma: The Alaya
Treatise of the Yogacarabhumi,? pp. 922-936.

Kazunobu Matsuda (????), ?Sanskrit Fragments of the
Samdhinirmocanasutra,? pp. 938-945.

SECTION III. THE INDIAN YOGACARA RECEPTION

Changhwan Park (???), ?What are Acaryas or *Yaugacarabhumikas Doing in

Abhidharmakosabhasya 3-28ab?,? pp. 948-985.

Jowita Kramer, ?A Study of the Samskara Section of Vasubandhu's
Pancaskandhaka with Reference to Its Commentary by Sthiramati,? pp.
986-1035.

Harunaga Isaacson, ?Yogacara and Vajrayana according to
Ratnakarasanti,? pp. 1036-1051.

SECTION IV. THE EAST ASIAN YOGACARA RECEPTION

Bing Chen (??), ?Reflections on the Revival of Yogacara in Modern
Chinese Buddhism,? pp. 1054-1076.

Eyal Aviv, ?The Root that Nourishes the Branches: The Role of the
Yogacarabhumi in 20th-Century Chinese Scholastic Buddhism,? pp.
1078-1091.

Lawrence Y.K. Lau (???), ?Chinese Scholarship on Yogacara Buddhism
since 1949,? pp. 1092-1164.

Sangyeob Cha (???), ?The Yogacarabhumi Meditation Doctrine of the
'Nine Stages of Mental Abiding' in East and Central Asian Buddhism,?
pp. 1166-1191.

A. Charles Muller, ?The Contribution of the Yogacarabhumi to the
System of the Two Hindrances,? pp. 1192-1211.

Sungdoo Ahn (???), ?Theories of the Darsanamarga in the Yogacarabhumi
and Their Chinese Interpretations,? pp. 1212-1232.

Makoto Yoshimura (???), ?The Weishi School and the Buddha-Nature
Debate in the Early Tang Dynasty,? pp. 1234-1253.

Seongcheol Kim (???), ?A Brief History of Studies on the Yogacara
School in Modern Korea,? pp. 1254-1295.

Leslie S. Kawamura (????), ?Gadjin M. Nagao on MSA I.1 and I.2,? pp. 1296-1313.

SECTION V. THE TIBETAN YOGACARA RECEPTION

Dorji Wangchuk, ?On the Status of the Yogacara School in Tibetan
Buddhism,? pp. 1316-1328.

Orna Almogi, ?Yogacara in the Writings of the Eleventh-Century Rnying
ma Scholar Rong zom Chos kyi bzang po, pp. 1330-1361.

Ulrich Timme Kragh, ?All Mind, No Text ? All Text, No Mind: Tracing
Yogacara in the Early Bka' brgyud Literature of Dags po,? pp.
1362-1386.

Leonard W.J. van der Kuijp, ?Notes on Jnanamitra's Commentary on the
Abhidharmasamuccaya,? pp. 1388-1429.


--
Sangyeob Cha
HK Professor
Geumgang Center for Buddhist Studies
Geumgang University
Dae-myeong ri, Sang-wol myeon
Nonsan, Chungnam 320-931
South Korea
Tel. +82-41-731 3611





From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May 14 12:18:09 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 14:18:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeUwuA9LZ1=+s2BqdrzzbJmD1S6sDurE4Maxw7zq-LYew@mail.gmail.com>

Brill has just announced<http://track.brill.nl/z.z?l=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5icmlsbC5jb20vZmlsZXMvYnJpbGwubmwvYnJpbGxfYXNpYW5fMjAxM19lZ2JlcnRfZm9yc3Rlbl9pbmRvbG9neS5wZGY%3D&e=3909&j=282532503&t=h&h=37e4def5b9f412e05339e325b038bb43&p=2>that
it has taken over the Egbert Forsten Indological list.

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From johanna.buss at googlemail.com  Tue May 14 13:24:47 2013
From: johanna.buss at googlemail.com (Johanna Buss)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 15:24:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Newari Summer School in Vienna, 9th-21st September 2013
Message-ID: <CAPJnKS-9rFFuZ9wsagSS8vgUgXc_THfZVBrGAnUAFEXEKAWf5A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

please take notice of the attached announcement of our Newari Summer School
in Vienna and inform interested students. The information will also be
available soon on our website: http://stb.univie.ac.at/

Best wishes,
Johanna Buss

-- 
Dr. Johanna Buss, M.A.
Universitaetsassistentin
Institut fuer Suedasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Bereich Suedasienkunde
Uni-Campus AAKh, Hof 2.1
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From jim at khecari.com  Tue May 14 14:42:41 2013
From: jim at khecari.com (Jim Mallinson)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 15:42:41 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_N=C4=81gar=C4=AB_Prac=C4=81ri=E1=B9=87=C4=AB_Sabh=C4=81,_Varanasi?=
In-Reply-To: <CAFWPYfjpiDVr1sRpBoezpde+37yyNqzb6+9gB5ZZp4cGyeR=rQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36E287D9-44EA-4173-865A-A9226B7E2A7B@khecari.com>

Dear List Members,

Does anybody have recent experience of trying to get copies of mss from the N?gar? Prac?ri?? Sabh? in Varanasi? If so, I'd be very grateful to hear whether or not you were successful.

Yours, with best wishes,

Jim Mallinson




From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Tue May 14 15:29:32 2013
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 11:29:32 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09N=C4=81gar=C4=AB_Prac=C4=81ri=E1=B9=87=C4=AB_Sabh=C4=81,_Varanasi?=
In-Reply-To: <36E287D9-44EA-4173-865A-A9226B7E2A7B@khecari.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy1Abk_nu_0g=T06KZJe6f0qATZRX6NM9_xBB9TVApRVOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

Have been going there for the past several years; as of late (since the
last proper librarian departed) things have taken a turn for the worse (and
they were already bad).  Those currently in charge of the collections do
not know how to find materials; many volumes are missing; the rest are in
bad shape.  Last time I went (last summer), they asked for a Rs 200
'donation' for each manuscript I asked to see.

However, all that being said, it is possible to see the mss.  Officially,
one cannot photocopy or photograph them, but it does happen.  If you need
materials from there, I would suggest going in person (or sending a very
persistent and knowledgeable proxy), and being prepared to go into the
collections and look for the materials yourself (though again, that's not
supposed to happen).

Effective working hours are 11:00am to 4:00 pm.

Best,
Tyler

PS- Am writing an article on the NPS on exactly this topic.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Jim Mallinson <jim at khecari.com> wrote:

> Dear List Members,
>
> Does anybody have recent experience of trying to get copies of mss from
> the N?gar? Prac?ri?? Sabh? in Varanasi? If so, I'd be very grateful to hear
> whether or not you were successful.
>
> Yours, with best wishes,
>
> Jim Mallinson
> _______________________________________________
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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Tue May 14 17:29:00 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 12:29:00 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CeUwuA9LZ1=+s2BqdrzzbJmD1S6sDurE4Maxw7zq-LYew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN84di346+VHLi2CmZXbBbtuyDQsB2pd=Mq3P45-tkjYLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bad news for those who don't want to pay extortionate rates for their
academic books!

best,
Chris Wallis


On 14 May 2013 07:18, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brill has just announced<http://track.brill.nl/z.z?l=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5icmlsbC5jb20vZmlsZXMvYnJpbGwubmwvYnJpbGxfYXNpYW5fMjAxM19lZ2JlcnRfZm9yc3Rlbl9pbmRvbG9neS5wZGY%3D&e=3909&j=282532503&t=h&h=37e4def5b9f412e05339e325b038bb43&p=2>that it has taken over the Egbert Forsten Indological list.
>
> Best,
> Dominik Wujastyk
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Tue May 14 17:42:45 2013
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 17:42:45 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN84di346+VHLi2CmZXbBbtuyDQsB2pd=Mq3P45-tkjYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED07AEA17@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu>

Was Forsten a bargain?

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From je374 at msstate.edu  Wed May 15 00:52:05 2013
From: je374 at msstate.edu (Jonathan Edelmann)
Date: Tue, 14 May 13 19:52:05 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9Ar=C4=AB_Dak=E1=B9=A3in=C4=81m=C5=ABrti_Ma=E1=B9=ADha_Press_(Varanasi)?=
Message-ID: <CAH+9eaFQoMzCq7LP57eAko3ByGbc8LqBWJ8U2rP+X04JF=0VHA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

Does anyone have a contact address or email for this press?  I received
notice that they had published Citsukha's Bha?vatattvapraka?s?ika?, but I
have not be able to contact them, nor will I be able to visit Varanasi in
the near future.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Jonathan

*Jonathan B. Edelmann, Ph.D.* <http://msstate.academia.edu/JonathanEdelmann>
  Assistant Professor of Religion
 Mississippi State University Department of Philosophy and Religion
449 Hardy Road Etheredge Hall
Mississippi State 39762
Work Phone (662) 325-9363
University Website<http://www.philosophyandreligion.msstate.edu/faculty/edelmann.php>
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From antonio.jardim at gmail.com  Wed May 15 04:17:39 2013
From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 14:17:39 +1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bibliography of Professor Vetter
Message-ID: <CAGDOqfogN81CcnVy9yb8Qzv-jYBy+xSqt5dzoq3_bwD4i3L1kQ@mail.gmail.com>

(Apologies for cross-posting)

Dear colleagues,

Following the unfortunate passing of Prof Dr Tilmann Ernst Vetter last
year I began to compile a complete bibliography of his work. Below is
my provisional first attempt.

I hope it is of benefit. Additions and corrections are most welcome!

Yours sincerely,
Antonio Ferreira-Jardim
Brisbane, Australia


====

Bibliographie von Professor Dr. Tilmann Ernst Vetter (Version 1.0 von AFJ)

M = Monographie oder separat ver?ffentlichten Arbeiten
R = Rezension
A = Artikel oder ver?ffentlicht Vortrag

M1 Erkenntnisprobleme bei Dharmak?rti. (?sterreichische Akademie der
Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte
245,2; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
S?d- und Ostasiens 1). Wien: H. Bo?hlaus - Nachfolger
Kommissionsverlag der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften,
1964.118pp.

R1 Edward Conze, Buddhist thought in India, London: Allen & Unwin.
(1962) Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r
indische Philosophie. Vol. 9. (1965). p.230.

R2 Etienne Lamotte, L'enseignement de Vimalak?rti. trad. et annot?,
(Bibliothe?que du Muse?on. vol. 51). Louvain: Institut Orientaliste.
(1962). Orientalistische Literaturzeitung. Vol. 60 (3/4). pp.191-192.

M2 Dharmaki?rti's Prama?n?avinis?cayah? : 1. Kapitel: Pratyaks?am ;
Einleitung, Text der tibetischen U?bersetzung, Sanskritfragmente,
deutsche U?bersetzung.
(?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften,
Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 250,3;
Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen S?d- und
Ostasiens 3). Wien: Hermann B?hlaus - - Nachfolger Kommissionsverlag
der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften 1966. 111pp.

R3 Franz Bernhard (Hrsg.), Ud?navarga, Bd. I: Einleitung, Beschreibung
der Handschriften, Textausgabe, Bibliographie. (Sanskrittexte aus den
Turfanfunden X, Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in
Go?ttingen., Philologisch-historische Klasse, 54,1) Go?ttingen:
Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht. (1965). Die Sprache Vol. 13 (1967) pp.110-111.

A1 "Das Problem des metaphysischen Beweises in der
logisch-erkenntnistheoretischen Periode der indischen Philosophie".
Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft, Vol.118,
(1968), pp.351-356.

A2 "Zur Bedeutung des Illusionismus bei ?a?kara". Wiener Zeitschrift
f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie. Vol.
12-13, (1968-1969), pp.407-423.

R4 Tattvasandarbha by S?ri?ji?va Gosva?min, edited by Sitanath Goswami
(Jadavpur University Sanskrit Series, No. 1). Calcutta : Jadavpur
University (1967). Indo-Iranian Journal Vol. 12(4), (1968),
pp.275?276.

M3 Man?d?anamis?ras Brahmasiddhih? Brahmaka?n?d?ah?. ?bersetzung,
Einleitung und Anmerkungen. (?sterreichische Akademie der
Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte
262,2; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
S?d- und Ostasiens 7). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus - Nachfolger
Kommissionsverlag der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften.
1969. 126pp

R5 Ernst Steinkellner, Dharmak?rti's Hetubindu?, Teil I: Tibetischer
Text und Rekonstruierter Sanskrit Text: Teil II: ?bersetzung und
Anmerkungen (?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften,
Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 252,1-2;
Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen S?d- und
Ostasiens 4-5). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus - Nachfolger Kommissionsverlag
der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. 91967).
Indo-Iranian Journal. Vol. 12(1), (1969), pp.61?62.

R6 Klaus Cammann, Das System des Advaita nach der Lehre Prak???tmans,
(Mu?nchener indologische Studien, Bd. 4. ). Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz
Verlag. (1965) Orientalistische Literaturzeitung Vol. 64(3/4) (1969)
p.191

R7 Masaaki Hattori, Digna?ga, on perception; being the
Pratyaks?apariccheda of Digna?ga's Prama?n?asamuccaya from the
Sanskrit fragments and the Tibetan versions. (Harvard Oriental Series,
47).Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press (1968).
Indo-Iranian Journal. Vol. 13(1), (1969), pp.52?53.

R8 Esther A. Solomon, Avidya?: a problem of truth and reality (Theses
Publication Series, 8).Ahmedabad: Gujarat  University. (1969).
Indo-Iranian Journal Vol. 14(1?2), (1970), pp.121?122

M4 Sarvajn?a?tman's Samksepas?a?ri?rakam. 1. Kapitel: Einfu?hrung,
U?bersetzung und Anmerkungen. (?sterreichische Akademie der
Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte
282,3; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
S?d- und Ostasiens 11). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus Nachf. Kommisionverlag
der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, 1972. 176pp.

A3 "Het Boeddhisme" in Kwee, Swan Liat; et al (eds). Oosterse
filosofie. Assen: van Gorcum/ Amsterdam: Intermediaire (1973). pp.
27-39

R9 R.K. Kaw, The doctrine of recognition, Hoshiarpur: Vishveshvaranand
Institute (1967). Orientalistische Literaturzeitung Vol. 68(9/10).
(1973) pp.504-505.

A4 "Die Funktion von Zentrals?tzen der vedischen Offenbarung im System
Sarvaj??tmans" in: Gerhard Oberhammer (ed.): Offenbarung, geistige
Realit?t des Menschen. Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposiums zum
Offenbarungsbegriff in Indien. Vienna: Publication of the De Nobili
Research Library No. 2 (1974) pp. 121-134

R10 T. G. Mainkar. Sa?m?khyaka?rika? of I?s?varakr?s?n?a : with the
commentary of Gaud?apa?da : translated into English with an exhaustive
introduction and notes. Second  Revised and Enlarged Edition.  Poona:
Oriental Book Agency. (1972).   Indo-Iranian Journal Vol 17(3),
(1975), p.261

A5 Methodische consequentie bij twee Indische denkers: Dharmaki?rti en
S?an?kara : rede, uitgesproken bij de aanvaarding van het ambt van
gewoon hoogleraar in de Boeddhologie, de Indische wijsbegeerte en het
Tibetaans aan de Rijksuniversiteit te Leiden op 7 November 1975.
Leiden: University Press, (1975).

R11 Jacob Ensink (trsl.), De grote weg naar het licht: een keuze uit
de literatuur van het Mah?y?na-Boeddhisme, Amsterdam:
Wetenschappelijke Uitgeverij. (1973). Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde
S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie. Vol. 20 (1976). p.192.

R12 Lambert Schmithausen, Der Nirv??a-Abschnitt in der
Vini?cayasa?graha?? der Yog?c?rabhumi?, (?sterreichische Akademie der
Wissenschaften, phil.-hist. Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 264. Band 2,
Abh.; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
S?d-und Ostasiens, Heft 8). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus Nachf.
Kommisionverlag der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften,
(1969). Oriens Vol. 25-26 (1976) pp.443-444.

A6 "?a?karas "System". Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen
Gesellschaft, Supplement 3,2 (19. DOT 1975: Freiburg), (1977),
pp.1015-1021.

A7 "Erfahrung des Unerfahrbaren bei ?a?kara" in: Gerhard Oberhammer
(ed). Transzendenzerfahrung, Vollzugshorizont des Heils: das Problem
in indischer und christlicher Tradition; Arbeitsdokumentation eines
Symposium. Wien: Publications of the De Nobili Research Library No. 5.
(1978), pp.45-59

A8 "Die Gau?ap?d?ya-k?rik?s: zur Entstehung und zur Bedeutung von
(A)dvaita". Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r
indische Philosophie, Vol. 22, (1978), pp.95-131

M5 Studien zur Lehre und Entwicklung ?a?karas. Wien: Publications of
the De Nobili Research Library No. 6. (1979). 153pp.

A9 "Die Lehre N?g?rjunas in den M?lamadhyamakak?rik?s", in: Gerhard
Oberhammer (ed). Epiphanie des Heils : zur Heilsgegenwart in indischer
und christlicher Religion : Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposiums.
Wien: Publications of the De Nobili Research Library No. 9, (1982),
pp.87-108

A10 "Zum Problem der Person in N?g?rjunas M?la-Madhyamaka-K?rik?s",
in: Walter Strolz; Shizuteru Ueda and Horst Bu?rkle (ed). Offenbarung
als Heilserfahrung im Christentum, Hinduismus und Buddhismus,
Vero?ffentlichungen der Stiftung Oratio Dominica. Weltgespra?ch der
Religionen; Bd. 8. Freiburg: Herder (1982), pp.167-185

A11 "Zur Metrik in einem Tantratext", Indo-Iranian Journal, Vol.26,
(1983), pp.267-275

R13 Joaqui?n P?rez-Rem?n, Self and non-self in early Buddhism, The
Hague: Mouton (1980). Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und
Archiv f?r indische Philosophie Vol. 27(1983): pp.211-215.

A12 "A Comparison Between the Mysticism of the Older Praj??p?ramit?
Literature and the Mysticism of the M?lamadhyamakak?rik?s of
N?g?rjuna", Acta Indologica (Indo koten kenkyu? ???????), Vol.6,
(1984), pp.495-512

M6 Van Boeddha tot Na?ga?rjuna. Leiden : Instituut Kern, 1984 158 pp.
(?bersetzt und ?berarbeitet Version = M8)

M7 Der Buddha und seine Lehre in Dharmaki?rtis Prama?n?ava?rttika :
der Abschnitt u?ber den Buddha und die vier edlen Wahrheiten im
Prama?n?asiddhi-Kapitel. (Wiener Studien zur Tibetologie und
Buddhismuskunde, Heft 12). Wien : Arbeitskreis fu?r Tibetische und
Buddhistische Studien, Universita?t Wien, 1984. 183pp.
= M7.1    2. verbesserte Auflage Wien : Arbeitskreis fu?r Tibetische
und Buddhistische Studien, Universita?t Wien (1990).

A13 "Research on the Most Ancient Form of Buddhism: A Possible
Approach and its Results", in: Buddhism and its Relation to Other
Religions, Essays in Honour of Dr. Shozen Kumoi on his 70th Birthday.
(Bukkyo? to ishu?kyo? : Kumoi Sho?zen hakushi koki kinen ?????? :
??????????). Kyoto: Heirakuji Shoten. (1985) pp.67-85

A14 "Buddhismus und Christentum: Zum buddhistischen Hintergrund von K.
Nishitanis Dialektik und zu F. Buris Vorschlag zum
christlich-buddhistischen Dialog", Zeitschrift f?r
Missionswissenschaft und Religionswissenschaft, Vol. 71, (1987),
pp.1-24

A15 "Weltgespr?ch der Religionen", Zeitschrift f?r
Missionswissenschaft und Religionswissenschaft, Vol. 71, (1987),
pp.137-140

A16 Oort, Marianne S.& Vetter, T.E. "Buddhist studies in the
Netherlands."  Buddhist studies: a yearly research journal of the
Department of Buddhist Studies, University of Delhi. Vol. 12 (Mar
1988) pp. 39-56

A17 "???????" (The Aim of Buddhist Studies) [translated by NAGASAKI
Ho?jun ????].  Indogaku Bukkyo?gaku kenkyu? = Journal of Indian and
Buddhist Studies. (????????), Vol. 36-2 (1988): pp. 124-126 (=
862-860)

A18 ?Twee wegen: meditatie en onderscheidend inzicht.? Saddharma Vol.
19(4) (1988) pp.2-12.

M7 The ideas and meditative practices of early Buddhism. Leiden: EJ
Brill. 1988. xxxvii + 110 pp.
= M7.1 ????? ??? ??  (Ch'ogi Pulgyo u?i inyo?m kwa myo?ngsang = *Fr?he
buddhistische Philosophie und Meditation). (?bersetzt von KIM
So?ng-ch'o?l ???). So?ul : Ssi Ai Al, 2008. 230 pp

A19 "John B. Cobb, Jr., and the Encounter with Buddhism", in: Jerald
D. Gort. (ed). Dialogue and syncretism: an interdisciplinary approach,
(Currents of Encounter, Vol.1). Amsterdam: Rodopi, (1989), pp.122-133

A20 "Zum ersten Kapitel der Yogas?tras", Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die
Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie, Vol. 33, (1989),
pp.159-176

A21 "Some Remarks on Older Parts of the Suttanip?ta", in: David
Seyfort Ruegg and Lambert Schmithausen (eds). Earliest Buddhism and
Madhyamaka, (Panels of the VIIth World Sanskrit Conference, 1987, Vol.
2). Leiden: Brill, (1990), pp.36-56

A22 "Zur religi?sen Hermeneutik buddhistischer Texte: Eine
Auseinandersetzung mit den Leitgedanken des Symposions", in: Gerhard
Oberhammer (ed). Beitr?ge zur Hermeneutik indischer und
abendl?ndischer Religionstraditionen: Arbeitsdokumentation eines
Symposiums, (Beitra?ge zur Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr.
6.; Sitzungsberichte (O?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften.
Philosophisch-Historische Klasse), 573. Bd.) Wien:  Verlag der
O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, (1991), pp.179-192

A23 "On the Authenticity of the Ratn?val?, Asiatische Studien = ?tudes
Asiatiques, Vol. 46, (1992), pp.492-506

M8 Vetter, Tilmann E & van Bijlert, Victor A. Levende godsdiensten 2.
Cursusdl. 1, Inleiding in het boeddhisme : Leereenheden 1-12. Kampen,
Kok, Heerlen: Open Theologisch Onderwijs [Groep V, Theologie en
dialoog] (1992).

A24 "Father Hugo Makibi Enomiya-Lassalle and Zen", in: Jerald D. Gort
(ed). On sharing religious experience: possibilities of interfaith
mutuality. (Currents of encounter, Vol. 4). Amsterdam: Rodopi, (1992),
pp.178-188

A25 "P?ram?rthika-pram??a in Dharmak?rti's Pram??avini?caya and in
Gtsang-nag-pa's Tshad-ma rnam-par nges-pa'i ?i-ka legs-bshad
bsdus-pa", in: Ihara Sh?ren and Yamaguchi Zuih? (eds). Tibetan
studies: proceedings of the 5th seminar of the International
Association for Tibetan Studies NARITA 1989. (Vol. 1: Buddhist
philosophy and literature.) Narita-shi: Chiba-Ken (1992), pp.327-333

A26  "On the import of ??nyat? in the H?daya S?tra", Zeitschrift der
Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft, Supplement 9 [Proceedings of
the XXXII International Congress for Asian and North African Studies],
(1992), p.170

A27 "Compounds in the Prologue of the Pa?cavi??atis?hasrik?", Wiener
Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische
Philosophie, Vol. 37, (1993), pp.45-92

A28 "On the Origin of Mah?y?na Buddhism and the Subsequent
Introduction of Praj??p?ramit?", Asiatische Studien = ?tudes
Asiatiques, Vol. 48, (1994), pp.1241-1281

A29 "Zwei schwierige Stellen im Mah?nid?nasutta: zur Qualit?t der
?berlieferung im P?li-Kanon", Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde
S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie, Vol. 38, (1994),
pp.137-160

A30 "Gedanken zu einer Geschichte der indischen Mystik?, Zeitschrift
f?r Missionswissenschaft und Religionswissenschaft, Vol. 78, (1994),
pp.175-190

A31 "Bei Lebzeiten das Todlose erreichen. Zum Begriff amata im ?lteren
Buddhismus", in: Gerhard Oberhammer (ed.) Im Tod gewinnt der Mensch
sein Selbst: das Ph?nomen des Todes in asiatischer und abendl?ndischer
Religionstradition. Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposions, (Beitra?ge
zur Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr. 14.; Sitzungsberichte
O?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften.
Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, 624. Bd.) Wien: Verlag der
O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. (1995), pp.211-230

A32 "Tod im Buddhismus, in: Constantin von Barloewen (ed.). Der Tod in
den Weltkulturen und Weltreligionen. M?nchen: Diederichs, (1996),
pp.296-330

A33 "Atheistic and Theistic Tendencies in Buddhism", Studies in
Interreligious Dialogue, Vol. 6, (1996), pp.76-85

A34 "Das Erwachen des Buddha", Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde
S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie, Vol. 40, (1996),
pp.45-85

A35 ?Der Buddhismus und die Frage nach einer weltbildindifferenten
Erfahrung?, in: Hans-Peter Mu?ller & Hans-Joachim Klimkeit (eds.). Das
Evangelium und die Weltreligionen: theologische und philosophische
Herausforderungen, Stuttgart: Kohlhammer, (1997), pp.37-46

A36 "Atheistische und theistische Tendenzen im Buddhismus", in: Elmar
Klinger (ed.). Gott im Spiegel der Weltreligionen: christliche
Identit?t und interreligi?ser Dialog, Regensburg: Verlag F. Pustet,
(1997), pp.22-35

R14 Alexander von Rospatt. The Buddhist doctrine of momentariness: a
survey of the origins and early phase of this doctrine up to
Vasubandhu. (Alt- und neu-indische Studien, 47). Stuttgart: Franz
Steiner (1995). Indo-Iranian Journal, Vol. 40(2), (1997), pp. 166-170

R15 Ming-Wood, Liu. Madhyamaka Thought in China, Sinica Leidensia,
Volume XXX. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1994. 288 pp. Notes, Bibliographical
References, Index. T'oung Pao, Vol. 84(1-2), (1998), pp. 177-184

A37 "Explanations of dukkha", Journal of the International Association
of Buddhist Studies, Vol. 21(2), (1998), pp.383-387

A38 Tilmann Vetter & Paul Harrison. "An Shigao?s Chinese Translation
of the Saptasth?nas?tra", in: Paul Harrison and Gregory Schopen (ed.)
S?ryacandr?ya: essays in honour of Akira Yuyama on the occasion of his
65th birthday, (Indica et Tibetica; 35) Swisttal-Odendorf:
Indica-et-Tibetica-Verlag, (1998), pp.197-216

A39 "Hendrik Kern and the Lotuss?tra", Annual Report of the
International Research Institute for Advanced Buddhology at Soka
University for the Academic Year 1998, Vol. 2, (1999), pp.129-141

A40 "Raum-zeitliche Vermittlung der Transzendenz im ?ltesten
Buddhismus?", in: Gerhard Oberhammer & Marcus Schm?cker (ed.)
Raum-zeitliche Vermittlung von Transzendenz. Zur "sakramentalen"
Dimension religi?ser Tradition. Arbeitdokumentation eines Symposiums.
(Beitra?ge zur Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr. 30.;
Sitzungsberichte O?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften.
Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, 665. Bd.). Wien: Verlag der
O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften (1999), pp.207-227

M9. The 'khanda passages' in the Vinayapi?aka and the four main
Nik?yas. (Sitzungsberichte ?sterreichische Akademie der
Wissenschaften. Philosophisch-Historische Klasse Band 682;
Ver?ffentlichungen zu den Sprachen und Kulturen S?dasiens Heft 33);
Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, (2000)
357pp.

A41. "Mahayana historisch." Buddhismus in Geschichte und Gegenwart.
Universit?t Hamburg, Asien-Afrika-Institut, Abteilung f?r Kultur und
Geschichte Indiens und Tibets. (Weiterbildendes Studium). Band 4
(Sommer 2000): Die Geistesgeschichte des Buddhismus (I). pp.171-186

A42, "Die Gestalt des Buddha in buddhistischer ?berlieferung und im
Lichte der Geschichtsforschung". in Andreas Bsteh (ed). Der Buddhismus
als Anfrage an christliche Theologie und Philosophie / F?nfte
Religionstheologische Akademie St. Gabriel: Referate ? Anfragen ?
Diskussionen (Studien zur Religionstheologie 5). M?dling: St Gabriel
(2000), pp. 11?19.
= A42.1 ?bersetzung: "The Figure of the Buddha: In Buddhist Tradition
and in the Light of Historical Research." in Andreas Bsteh (ed).
Buddhism Questioning Christianity. Lectures ? Questions ?
Interventions.  [Translated by Ingeborg Bogensberger in cooperation
with Adrianne Nagy DaPonte]. M?dling: St Gabriel (2010), pp. 11-18

A43 "Die Lehre des Buddha. Mittlerer Weg ? Achtfacher Pfad ? Vier edle
Wahrheiten", ibidem, pp. 59?66.
= A43.1 ?bersetzung: "The Teaching of the Buddha : Middle Path ?
Eightfold Path ? Four Noble Truths", ibidem, pp.49-56.

A44 "Der Mah?y?na-Buddhismus (Anf?nge, Wesen)", ibidem, pp. 373?380.
= A44.1 ?bersetzung: "Mah?y?na-Buddhism (Beginnings, Nature)", ibidem,
pp. 291-297.

A45 "Introduction: Aldous Huxley between East and west." In: C.G.
Barfoot (ed.), Aldous Huxley between East and West, Studies in
Comparative Literature XXXVII, Amsterdam: Rodopi (2001). pp. 3-8

A46 "Once Again on the Origin of Mah?y?na Buddhism." Wiener
Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens, Vol.45 (2001), pp. 59?90

A47 "Arhat und Bodhisattva im Daoxing ??". H?rin: Vergleichende
Studien zur Japanischen Kultur: Eine Ver??entlichung des Hauses der
Japanischen Kultur (EKO) in D?sseldorf. Vol. X (2003), pp. 47?71

A48 "Zur Anthropologie der Khandha-Passagen in den ?lteren Sammlungen
des P?li-Kanons." in Gerhard Oberhammer & Marcus Schm?cker (ed).
Mythisierung der Transzendenz als Entwurf ihrer Erfahrung.
Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposiums. (Beitra?ge zur Kultur- und
Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr. 41.; Sitzungsberichte O?sterreichische
Akademie der Wissenschaften. Philosophisch-Historische Klasse), 706
Bd.). Wien:Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften
(2003). pp.381-398

A49 "Der Bodhisattva-Weg im Gan?d?avyu?hasu?tra." Buddhismus in
Geschichte und Gegenwart. Universit?t Hamburg, Asien-Afrika-Institut,
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets.
(Weiterbildendes Studium). Band 9 (Winter 2003/04): Facetten des
Buddhismus - gibt es einen gemeinsamen Kern? pp.62-78

A50 Tilmann Vetter & Stefano Zacchetti, ?On Jingfa ?? in Early Chinese
Buddhist Translations?, Annual Report of The International Research
Institute for Advanced Buddhology at Soka University for the Academic
Year 2003, Vol. 7, 2004, pp. 159-166.

M10 A Lexicographical Study of An Shigao?s and his Circle?s Chinese
Translations of Buddhist Texts. Studia Philologica Buddhica: Monograph
Series Vol. 28. Tokyo : The International Institute for Buddhist
Studies of the International College for Postgraduate Buddhist
Studies. (2012) 344pp.

A51 "Early Mahayana and the Buddhas of the Ten Directions" in Ulrich
Timme Kragh (ed). The Foundation for Yoga Practitioners: The Buddhist
Yog?c?rabh?mi Treatise and Its Adaptation in India, East Asia, and
Tibet. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press (2013) pp.
290-311

(Unver?ffentlichte Arbeit???):

"Soteriological meanings in the Dighanikaya, the collection of long
suttas in the old buddhistic canon". (OND1292753).
www.narcis.nl/research/RecordID/OND1292753/Language/en





From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Wed May 15 04:36:33 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 12:36:33 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED07AEA17@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <1368592593.99743.YahooMailNeo@web193502.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

?
Not a bad question. Some others too indirectly related to Indology may
rise. ????? ??????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 

Take-over of publishing companies has
been going on for many years. It first came to my notice when Mouton merged
into de Gruyter. Some collectors were gratified. ?Old copies of many books like Lingat?s Les
sources du droit...,Maximilien ?Rubel?s Karl Marx etc, publications under the series ?Le Monde d?Outre Mer...?
,?Janua Linguarum? ?etc were sold
extremely cheap. 
But
the occurrence of the phenomenon in the West has remained a mystery to me. Take-over
and liquidation take place in India too. Usually labor trouble is blamed. But
sometimes the role played by notorious takeover kings is clear. Also the
proverbial throwing out the refuse after squeezing the juice is often
indicated. But, according to my knowledge, there are strong laws against such malpractice
or abuse of law in the highly industrialized countries. Then why should an active
and apparently profitably running company lose its entity?
Best 
DB ?????



________________________________
 From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
To: Christopher Wallis <bhairava11 at gmail.com>; Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> 
Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info> 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
 


 
Was Forsten a bargain?



Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, 
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago


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From v.a.van.bijlert at vu.nl  Wed May 15 05:04:56 2013
From: v.a.van.bijlert at vu.nl (Bijlert, V.A. van)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 05:04:56 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
In-Reply-To: <1368592593.99743.YahooMailNeo@web193502.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
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I think the bottom-line is making profits. All these publishers exist for the sole purpose of making money; they are businesses after all. Seeing how difficult it is to get something scholarly actually published (unless it be subjects that sell well and that are academically fashionable) it is no wonder that smaller publishers close down.
Brill is an interesting case: its books are extremely expensive (although some of Routledge's publications also run into hundreds of dollars, pounds, euros) and yet it can act like a monopolist.
Yours
Victor van Bijlert

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Dipak Bhattacharya [dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:36 AM
To: Matthew Kapstein; Christopher Wallis; Dominik Wujastyk
Cc: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list


Not a bad question. Some others too indirectly related to Indology may rise.
Take-over of publishing companies has been going on for many years. It first came to my notice when Mouton merged into de Gruyter. Some collectors were gratified.  Old copies of many books like Lingat?s Les sources du droit...,Maximilien  Rubel?s Karl Marx etc, publications under the series ?Le Monde d?Outre Mer...? ,?Janua Linguarum?  etc were sold extremely cheap.
But the occurrence of the phenomenon in the West has remained a mystery to me. Take-over and liquidation take place in India too. Usually labor trouble is blamed. But sometimes the role played by notorious takeover kings is clear. Also the proverbial throwing out the refuse after squeezing the juice is often indicated. But, according to my knowledge, there are strong laws against such malpractice or abuse of law in the highly industrialized countries. Then why should an active and apparently profitably running company lose its entity?
Best
DB

________________________________
From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
To: Christopher Wallis <bhairava11 at gmail.com>; Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list

Was Forsten a bargain?

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Wed May 15 07:20:28 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 09:20:28 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
In-Reply-To: <CDC4C7747D50984E8BA0A4224A0208D9A1CAAABB@PEXMB001B.vu.local>
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dear Friends,

I resisted getting into this, but sometimes a little knowledge does not
hurt. Egbert Forsten is getting older. He has run his publishing house by
himself, and finding himself no longer able to do so, he looked for a home
in which he was assured that his standards would be upheld. As far as I
know (and in fact I do know a bit about this) there is nothing sinister of
the matsyany?ya variety going on here. (And anyone who thinks that buying
up indological publishers will make them money is in for a rude awakening.)
As far as Brill's prices go, well, they are a business, but... have you
tried to buy a book from anyplace like the Bayerische Academy lately? They
have huge subventions, I imagine, but still manage to ask impressive
prices. And try to buy an academic book from Japan please. American and
British academic books are usually published by University presses or
societies, and thus heavily subvented, so the prices are kept down.
I confess that I am not entirely neutral here, as I am involved with
several projects with Brill, including a journal and an encyclopedia among
others. But the reality is that niche markets don't allow for economies of
scale.
There are, to be sure, serious questions about the economics of academic
publications, but it would help if these were carried out with more facts
and less wild speculation.

apologies for the (sort of) rant, jonathan


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Bijlert, V.A. van <v.a.van.bijlert at vu.nl>wrote:

>  I think the bottom-line is making profits. All these publishers exist
> for the sole purpose of making money; they are businesses after all. Seeing
> how difficult it is to get something scholarly actually published (unless
> it be subjects that sell well and that are academically fashionable) it is
> no wonder that smaller publishers close down.
> Brill is an interesting case: its books are extremely expensive (although
> some of Routledge's publications also run into hundreds of dollars, pounds,
> euros) and yet it can act like a monopolist.
> Yours
> Victor van Bijlert
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Dipak
> Bhattacharya [dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:36 AM
> *To:* Matthew Kapstein; Christopher Wallis; Dominik Wujastyk
> *Cc:* Indology
>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
>
>
> Not a bad question. Some others too indirectly related to Indology may
> rise.
>
>  Take-over of publishing companies has been going on for many years. It
> first came to my notice when Mouton merged into de Gruyter. Some collectors
> were gratified.  Old copies of many books like Lingat?s * Les sources du
> droit*...,Maximilien  Rubel?s *Karl Marx* *etc*, publications under the
> series ?Le Monde d?Outre Mer...? ,?Janua Linguarum?  etc were sold
> extremely cheap.
>  But the occurrence of the phenomenon in the West has remained a mystery
> to me. Take-over and liquidation take place in India too. Usually labor
> trouble is blamed. But sometimes the role played by notorious takeover
> kings is clear. Also the proverbial throwing out the refuse after squeezing
> the juice is often indicated. But, according to my knowledge, there are
> strong laws against such malpractice or abuse of law in the highly
> industrialized countries. Then why should an active and apparently
> profitably running company lose its entity?
>  Best
>  DB
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> *To:* Christopher Wallis <bhairava11 at gmail.com>; Dominik Wujastyk <
> wujastyk at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
>
>  Was Forsten a bargain?
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
>   ------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
J. Silk
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From will.sweetman at gmail.com  Wed May 15 08:12:03 2013
From: will.sweetman at gmail.com (Will Sweetman)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 20:12:03 +1200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CeUwuA9LZ1=+s2BqdrzzbJmD1S6sDurE4Maxw7zq-LYew@mail.gmail.com>
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>From Brill's press release announcing its 2012 results:

> Brill?s net profit in 2012 (EUR 5.7 million) is the highest ever in the company?s history. 
> Operational margin (EBITDA/revenue) decreased to 15.4% (2011: 16.7%).     

Who knows how much of this came from its Indological list, but a part of it will have come from an edited volume I ordered (for our library) for the usual ?150 or US$200. It was quite clear that next to no editorial work had been done. Just one example: one chapter, clearly lifted from the author's dissertation, referred to something mentioned "in the previous chapter" -- evidently, of the dissertation, not the edited volume, in which the previous chapter was by another author on an unrelated topic. Of course the editors bear some responsibility for this, but the press surely does too, especially at these prices.  

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From pcbisschop at googlemail.com  Wed May 15 08:52:56 2013
From: pcbisschop at googlemail.com (peter bisschop)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 10:52:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dutch Studies on South Asia,	Tibet and Classical Southeast Asia
Message-ID: <CACDreE9fPywJAWuiFHdXatOKmbXzG-u_rmG1K8DF6gnZyLkfcA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

This may be an opportune moment to draw attention to the online
bibliography on Dutch Studies on South Asia, Tibet and Classical
Southeast Asia which has recently gone online:

http://dutchstudies-satsea.nl/home-dutch-studies.html

The website has been prepared by Dory Heilijgers, former librarian of
the Kern Institute. It is actively maintained by her and continues to
expand.

Peter Bisschop
Leiden University

On 5/15/13, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim <antonio.jardim at gmail.com> wrote:
> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Following the unfortunate passing of Prof Dr Tilmann Ernst Vetter last
> year I began to compile a complete bibliography of his work. Below is
> my provisional first attempt.
>
> I hope it is of benefit. Additions and corrections are most welcome!
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Antonio Ferreira-Jardim
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
> ====
>
> Bibliographie von Professor Dr. Tilmann Ernst Vetter (Version 1.0 von AFJ)
>
> M = Monographie oder separat ver?ffentlichten Arbeiten
> R = Rezension
> A = Artikel oder ver?ffentlicht Vortrag
>
> M1 Erkenntnisprobleme bei Dharmak?rti. (?sterreichische Akademie der
> Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte
> 245,2; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
> S?d- und Ostasiens 1). Wien: H. Bo?hlaus - Nachfolger
> Kommissionsverlag der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften,
> 1964.118pp.
>
> R1 Edward Conze, Buddhist thought in India, London: Allen & Unwin.
> (1962) Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r
> indische Philosophie. Vol. 9. (1965). p.230.
>
> R2 Etienne Lamotte, L'enseignement de Vimalak?rti. trad. et annot?,
> (Bibliothe?que du Muse?on. vol. 51). Louvain: Institut Orientaliste.
> (1962). Orientalistische Literaturzeitung. Vol. 60 (3/4). pp.191-192.
>
> M2 Dharmaki?rti's Prama?n?avinis?cayah? : 1. Kapitel: Pratyaks?am ;
> Einleitung, Text der tibetischen U?bersetzung, Sanskritfragmente,
> deutsche U?bersetzung.
> (?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften,
> Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 250,3;
> Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen S?d- und
> Ostasiens 3). Wien: Hermann B?hlaus - - Nachfolger Kommissionsverlag
> der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften 1966. 111pp.
>
> R3 Franz Bernhard (Hrsg.), Ud?navarga, Bd. I: Einleitung, Beschreibung
> der Handschriften, Textausgabe, Bibliographie. (Sanskrittexte aus den
> Turfanfunden X, Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in
> Go?ttingen., Philologisch-historische Klasse, 54,1) Go?ttingen:
> Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht. (1965). Die Sprache Vol. 13 (1967) pp.110-111.
>
> A1 "Das Problem des metaphysischen Beweises in der
> logisch-erkenntnistheoretischen Periode der indischen Philosophie".
> Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft, Vol.118,
> (1968), pp.351-356.
>
> A2 "Zur Bedeutung des Illusionismus bei ?a?kara". Wiener Zeitschrift
> f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie. Vol.
> 12-13, (1968-1969), pp.407-423.
>
> R4 Tattvasandarbha by S?ri?ji?va Gosva?min, edited by Sitanath Goswami
> (Jadavpur University Sanskrit Series, No. 1). Calcutta : Jadavpur
> University (1967). Indo-Iranian Journal Vol. 12(4), (1968),
> pp.275?276.
>
> M3 Man?d?anamis?ras Brahmasiddhih? Brahmaka?n?d?ah?. ?bersetzung,
> Einleitung und Anmerkungen. (?sterreichische Akademie der
> Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte
> 262,2; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
> S?d- und Ostasiens 7). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus - Nachfolger
> Kommissionsverlag der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften.
> 1969. 126pp
>
> R5 Ernst Steinkellner, Dharmak?rti's Hetubindu?, Teil I: Tibetischer
> Text und Rekonstruierter Sanskrit Text: Teil II: ?bersetzung und
> Anmerkungen (?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften,
> Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 252,1-2;
> Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen S?d- und
> Ostasiens 4-5). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus - Nachfolger Kommissionsverlag
> der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. 91967).
> Indo-Iranian Journal. Vol. 12(1), (1969), pp.61?62.
>
> R6 Klaus Cammann, Das System des Advaita nach der Lehre Prak???tmans,
> (Mu?nchener indologische Studien, Bd. 4. ). Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz
> Verlag. (1965) Orientalistische Literaturzeitung Vol. 64(3/4) (1969)
> p.191
>
> R7 Masaaki Hattori, Digna?ga, on perception; being the
> Pratyaks?apariccheda of Digna?ga's Prama?n?asamuccaya from the
> Sanskrit fragments and the Tibetan versions. (Harvard Oriental Series,
> 47).Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press (1968).
> Indo-Iranian Journal. Vol. 13(1), (1969), pp.52?53.
>
> R8 Esther A. Solomon, Avidya?: a problem of truth and reality (Theses
> Publication Series, 8).Ahmedabad: Gujarat  University. (1969).
> Indo-Iranian Journal Vol. 14(1?2), (1970), pp.121?122
>
> M4 Sarvajn?a?tman's Samksepas?a?ri?rakam. 1. Kapitel: Einfu?hrung,
> U?bersetzung und Anmerkungen. (?sterreichische Akademie der
> Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte
> 282,3; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
> S?d- und Ostasiens 11). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus Nachf. Kommisionverlag
> der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, 1972. 176pp.
>
> A3 "Het Boeddhisme" in Kwee, Swan Liat; et al (eds). Oosterse
> filosofie. Assen: van Gorcum/ Amsterdam: Intermediaire (1973). pp.
> 27-39
>
> R9 R.K. Kaw, The doctrine of recognition, Hoshiarpur: Vishveshvaranand
> Institute (1967). Orientalistische Literaturzeitung Vol. 68(9/10).
> (1973) pp.504-505.
>
> A4 "Die Funktion von Zentrals?tzen der vedischen Offenbarung im System
> Sarvaj??tmans" in: Gerhard Oberhammer (ed.): Offenbarung, geistige
> Realit?t des Menschen. Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposiums zum
> Offenbarungsbegriff in Indien. Vienna: Publication of the De Nobili
> Research Library No. 2 (1974) pp. 121-134
>
> R10 T. G. Mainkar. Sa?m?khyaka?rika? of I?s?varakr?s?n?a : with the
> commentary of Gaud?apa?da : translated into English with an exhaustive
> introduction and notes. Second  Revised and Enlarged Edition.  Poona:
> Oriental Book Agency. (1972).   Indo-Iranian Journal Vol 17(3),
> (1975), p.261
>
> A5 Methodische consequentie bij twee Indische denkers: Dharmaki?rti en
> S?an?kara : rede, uitgesproken bij de aanvaarding van het ambt van
> gewoon hoogleraar in de Boeddhologie, de Indische wijsbegeerte en het
> Tibetaans aan de Rijksuniversiteit te Leiden op 7 November 1975.
> Leiden: University Press, (1975).
>
> R11 Jacob Ensink (trsl.), De grote weg naar het licht: een keuze uit
> de literatuur van het Mah?y?na-Boeddhisme, Amsterdam:
> Wetenschappelijke Uitgeverij. (1973). Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde
> S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie. Vol. 20 (1976). p.192.
>
> R12 Lambert Schmithausen, Der Nirv??a-Abschnitt in der
> Vini?cayasa?graha?? der Yog?c?rabhumi?, (?sterreichische Akademie der
> Wissenschaften, phil.-hist. Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 264. Band 2,
> Abh.; Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Sprachen und Kulturen
> S?d-und Ostasiens, Heft 8). Wien: Hermann Bo?hlaus Nachf.
> Kommisionverlag der O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften,
> (1969). Oriens Vol. 25-26 (1976) pp.443-444.
>
> A6 "?a?karas "System". Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen
> Gesellschaft, Supplement 3,2 (19. DOT 1975: Freiburg), (1977),
> pp.1015-1021.
>
> A7 "Erfahrung des Unerfahrbaren bei ?a?kara" in: Gerhard Oberhammer
> (ed). Transzendenzerfahrung, Vollzugshorizont des Heils: das Problem
> in indischer und christlicher Tradition; Arbeitsdokumentation eines
> Symposium. Wien: Publications of the De Nobili Research Library No. 5.
> (1978), pp.45-59
>
> A8 "Die Gau?ap?d?ya-k?rik?s: zur Entstehung und zur Bedeutung von
> (A)dvaita". Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r
> indische Philosophie, Vol. 22, (1978), pp.95-131
>
> M5 Studien zur Lehre und Entwicklung ?a?karas. Wien: Publications of
> the De Nobili Research Library No. 6. (1979). 153pp.
>
> A9 "Die Lehre N?g?rjunas in den M?lamadhyamakak?rik?s", in: Gerhard
> Oberhammer (ed). Epiphanie des Heils : zur Heilsgegenwart in indischer
> und christlicher Religion : Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposiums.
> Wien: Publications of the De Nobili Research Library No. 9, (1982),
> pp.87-108
>
> A10 "Zum Problem der Person in N?g?rjunas M?la-Madhyamaka-K?rik?s",
> in: Walter Strolz; Shizuteru Ueda and Horst Bu?rkle (ed). Offenbarung
> als Heilserfahrung im Christentum, Hinduismus und Buddhismus,
> Vero?ffentlichungen der Stiftung Oratio Dominica. Weltgespra?ch der
> Religionen; Bd. 8. Freiburg: Herder (1982), pp.167-185
>
> A11 "Zur Metrik in einem Tantratext", Indo-Iranian Journal, Vol.26,
> (1983), pp.267-275
>
> R13 Joaqui?n P?rez-Rem?n, Self and non-self in early Buddhism, The
> Hague: Mouton (1980). Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und
> Archiv f?r indische Philosophie Vol. 27(1983): pp.211-215.
>
> A12 "A Comparison Between the Mysticism of the Older Praj??p?ramit?
> Literature and the Mysticism of the M?lamadhyamakak?rik?s of
> N?g?rjuna", Acta Indologica (Indo koten kenkyu? ???????), Vol.6,
> (1984), pp.495-512
>
> M6 Van Boeddha tot Na?ga?rjuna. Leiden : Instituut Kern, 1984 158 pp.
> (?bersetzt und ?berarbeitet Version = M8)
>
> M7 Der Buddha und seine Lehre in Dharmaki?rtis Prama?n?ava?rttika :
> der Abschnitt u?ber den Buddha und die vier edlen Wahrheiten im
> Prama?n?asiddhi-Kapitel. (Wiener Studien zur Tibetologie und
> Buddhismuskunde, Heft 12). Wien : Arbeitskreis fu?r Tibetische und
> Buddhistische Studien, Universita?t Wien, 1984. 183pp.
> = M7.1    2. verbesserte Auflage Wien : Arbeitskreis fu?r Tibetische
> und Buddhistische Studien, Universita?t Wien (1990).
>
> A13 "Research on the Most Ancient Form of Buddhism: A Possible
> Approach and its Results", in: Buddhism and its Relation to Other
> Religions, Essays in Honour of Dr. Shozen Kumoi on his 70th Birthday.
> (Bukkyo? to ishu?kyo? : Kumoi Sho?zen hakushi koki kinen ?????? :
> ??????????). Kyoto: Heirakuji Shoten. (1985) pp.67-85
>
> A14 "Buddhismus und Christentum: Zum buddhistischen Hintergrund von K.
> Nishitanis Dialektik und zu F. Buris Vorschlag zum
> christlich-buddhistischen Dialog", Zeitschrift f?r
> Missionswissenschaft und Religionswissenschaft, Vol. 71, (1987),
> pp.1-24
>
> A15 "Weltgespr?ch der Religionen", Zeitschrift f?r
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> pp.137-140
>
> A16 Oort, Marianne S.& Vetter, T.E. "Buddhist studies in the
> Netherlands."  Buddhist studies: a yearly research journal of the
> Department of Buddhist Studies, University of Delhi. Vol. 12 (Mar
> 1988) pp. 39-56
>
> A17 "???????" (The Aim of Buddhist Studies) [translated by NAGASAKI
> Ho?jun ????].  Indogaku Bukkyo?gaku kenkyu? = Journal of Indian and
> Buddhist Studies. (????????), Vol. 36-2 (1988): pp. 124-126 (=
> 862-860)
>
> A18 ?Twee wegen: meditatie en onderscheidend inzicht.? Saddharma Vol.
> 19(4) (1988) pp.2-12.
>
> M7 The ideas and meditative practices of early Buddhism. Leiden: EJ
> Brill. 1988. xxxvii + 110 pp.
> = M7.1 ????? ??? ??  (Ch'ogi Pulgyo u?i inyo?m kwa myo?ngsang = *Fr?he
> buddhistische Philosophie und Meditation). (?bersetzt von KIM
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>
> A19 "John B. Cobb, Jr., and the Encounter with Buddhism", in: Jerald
> D. Gort. (ed). Dialogue and syncretism: an interdisciplinary approach,
> (Currents of Encounter, Vol.1). Amsterdam: Rodopi, (1989), pp.122-133
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> A20 "Zum ersten Kapitel der Yogas?tras", Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die
> Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie, Vol. 33, (1989),
> pp.159-176
>
> A21 "Some Remarks on Older Parts of the Suttanip?ta", in: David
> Seyfort Ruegg and Lambert Schmithausen (eds). Earliest Buddhism and
> Madhyamaka, (Panels of the VIIth World Sanskrit Conference, 1987, Vol.
> 2). Leiden: Brill, (1990), pp.36-56
>
> A22 "Zur religi?sen Hermeneutik buddhistischer Texte: Eine
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> Oberhammer (ed). Beitr?ge zur Hermeneutik indischer und
> abendl?ndischer Religionstraditionen: Arbeitsdokumentation eines
> Symposiums, (Beitra?ge zur Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr.
> 6.; Sitzungsberichte (O?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften.
> Philosophisch-Historische Klasse), 573. Bd.) Wien:  Verlag der
> O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, (1991), pp.179-192
>
> A23 "On the Authenticity of the Ratn?val?, Asiatische Studien = ?tudes
> Asiatiques, Vol. 46, (1992), pp.492-506
>
> M8 Vetter, Tilmann E & van Bijlert, Victor A. Levende godsdiensten 2.
> Cursusdl. 1, Inleiding in het boeddhisme : Leereenheden 1-12. Kampen,
> Kok, Heerlen: Open Theologisch Onderwijs [Groep V, Theologie en
> dialoog] (1992).
>
> A24 "Father Hugo Makibi Enomiya-Lassalle and Zen", in: Jerald D. Gort
> (ed). On sharing religious experience: possibilities of interfaith
> mutuality. (Currents of encounter, Vol. 4). Amsterdam: Rodopi, (1992),
> pp.178-188
>
> A25 "P?ram?rthika-pram??a in Dharmak?rti's Pram??avini?caya and in
> Gtsang-nag-pa's Tshad-ma rnam-par nges-pa'i ?i-ka legs-bshad
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> studies: proceedings of the 5th seminar of the International
> Association for Tibetan Studies NARITA 1989. (Vol. 1: Buddhist
> philosophy and literature.) Narita-shi: Chiba-Ken (1992), pp.327-333
>
> A26  "On the import of ??nyat? in the H?daya S?tra", Zeitschrift der
> Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft, Supplement 9 [Proceedings of
> the XXXII International Congress for Asian and North African Studies],
> (1992), p.170
>
> A27 "Compounds in the Prologue of the Pa?cavi??atis?hasrik?", Wiener
> Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische
> Philosophie, Vol. 37, (1993), pp.45-92
>
> A28 "On the Origin of Mah?y?na Buddhism and the Subsequent
> Introduction of Praj??p?ramit?", Asiatische Studien = ?tudes
> Asiatiques, Vol. 48, (1994), pp.1241-1281
>
> A29 "Zwei schwierige Stellen im Mah?nid?nasutta: zur Qualit?t der
> ?berlieferung im P?li-Kanon", Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde
> S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie, Vol. 38, (1994),
> pp.137-160
>
> A30 "Gedanken zu einer Geschichte der indischen Mystik?, Zeitschrift
> f?r Missionswissenschaft und Religionswissenschaft, Vol. 78, (1994),
> pp.175-190
>
> A31 "Bei Lebzeiten das Todlose erreichen. Zum Begriff amata im ?lteren
> Buddhismus", in: Gerhard Oberhammer (ed.) Im Tod gewinnt der Mensch
> sein Selbst: das Ph?nomen des Todes in asiatischer und abendl?ndischer
> Religionstradition. Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposions, (Beitra?ge
> zur Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr. 14.; Sitzungsberichte
> O?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften.
> Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, 624. Bd.) Wien: Verlag der
> O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. (1995), pp.211-230
>
> A32 "Tod im Buddhismus, in: Constantin von Barloewen (ed.). Der Tod in
> den Weltkulturen und Weltreligionen. M?nchen: Diederichs, (1996),
> pp.296-330
>
> A33 "Atheistic and Theistic Tendencies in Buddhism", Studies in
> Interreligious Dialogue, Vol. 6, (1996), pp.76-85
>
> A34 "Das Erwachen des Buddha", Wiener Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde
> S?dasiens und Archiv f?r indische Philosophie, Vol. 40, (1996),
> pp.45-85
>
> A35 ?Der Buddhismus und die Frage nach einer weltbildindifferenten
> Erfahrung?, in: Hans-Peter Mu?ller & Hans-Joachim Klimkeit (eds.). Das
> Evangelium und die Weltreligionen: theologische und philosophische
> Herausforderungen, Stuttgart: Kohlhammer, (1997), pp.37-46
>
> A36 "Atheistische und theistische Tendenzen im Buddhismus", in: Elmar
> Klinger (ed.). Gott im Spiegel der Weltreligionen: christliche
> Identit?t und interreligi?ser Dialog, Regensburg: Verlag F. Pustet,
> (1997), pp.22-35
>
> R14 Alexander von Rospatt. The Buddhist doctrine of momentariness: a
> survey of the origins and early phase of this doctrine up to
> Vasubandhu. (Alt- und neu-indische Studien, 47). Stuttgart: Franz
> Steiner (1995). Indo-Iranian Journal, Vol. 40(2), (1997), pp. 166-170
>
> R15 Ming-Wood, Liu. Madhyamaka Thought in China, Sinica Leidensia,
> Volume XXX. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1994. 288 pp. Notes, Bibliographical
> References, Index. T'oung Pao, Vol. 84(1-2), (1998), pp. 177-184
>
> A37 "Explanations of dukkha", Journal of the International Association
> of Buddhist Studies, Vol. 21(2), (1998), pp.383-387
>
> A38 Tilmann Vetter & Paul Harrison. "An Shigao?s Chinese Translation
> of the Saptasth?nas?tra", in: Paul Harrison and Gregory Schopen (ed.)
> S?ryacandr?ya: essays in honour of Akira Yuyama on the occasion of his
> 65th birthday, (Indica et Tibetica; 35) Swisttal-Odendorf:
> Indica-et-Tibetica-Verlag, (1998), pp.197-216
>
> A39 "Hendrik Kern and the Lotuss?tra", Annual Report of the
> International Research Institute for Advanced Buddhology at Soka
> University for the Academic Year 1998, Vol. 2, (1999), pp.129-141
>
> A40 "Raum-zeitliche Vermittlung der Transzendenz im ?ltesten
> Buddhismus?", in: Gerhard Oberhammer & Marcus Schm?cker (ed.)
> Raum-zeitliche Vermittlung von Transzendenz. Zur "sakramentalen"
> Dimension religi?ser Tradition. Arbeitdokumentation eines Symposiums.
> (Beitra?ge zur Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr. 30.;
> Sitzungsberichte O?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften.
> Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, 665. Bd.). Wien: Verlag der
> O?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften (1999), pp.207-227
>
> M9. The 'khanda passages' in the Vinayapi?aka and the four main
> Nik?yas. (Sitzungsberichte ?sterreichische Akademie der
> Wissenschaften. Philosophisch-Historische Klasse Band 682;
> Ver?ffentlichungen zu den Sprachen und Kulturen S?dasiens Heft 33);
> Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, (2000)
> 357pp.
>
> A41. "Mahayana historisch." Buddhismus in Geschichte und Gegenwart.
> Universit?t Hamburg, Asien-Afrika-Institut, Abteilung f?r Kultur und
> Geschichte Indiens und Tibets. (Weiterbildendes Studium). Band 4
> (Sommer 2000): Die Geistesgeschichte des Buddhismus (I). pp.171-186
>
> A42, "Die Gestalt des Buddha in buddhistischer ?berlieferung und im
> Lichte der Geschichtsforschung". in Andreas Bsteh (ed). Der Buddhismus
> als Anfrage an christliche Theologie und Philosophie / F?nfte
> Religionstheologische Akademie St. Gabriel: Referate ? Anfragen ?
> Diskussionen (Studien zur Religionstheologie 5). M?dling: St Gabriel
> (2000), pp. 11?19.
> = A42.1 ?bersetzung: "The Figure of the Buddha: In Buddhist Tradition
> and in the Light of Historical Research." in Andreas Bsteh (ed).
> Buddhism Questioning Christianity. Lectures ? Questions ?
> Interventions.  [Translated by Ingeborg Bogensberger in cooperation
> with Adrianne Nagy DaPonte]. M?dling: St Gabriel (2010), pp. 11-18
>
> A43 "Die Lehre des Buddha. Mittlerer Weg ? Achtfacher Pfad ? Vier edle
> Wahrheiten", ibidem, pp. 59?66.
> = A43.1 ?bersetzung: "The Teaching of the Buddha : Middle Path ?
> Eightfold Path ? Four Noble Truths", ibidem, pp.49-56.
>
> A44 "Der Mah?y?na-Buddhismus (Anf?nge, Wesen)", ibidem, pp. 373?380.
> = A44.1 ?bersetzung: "Mah?y?na-Buddhism (Beginnings, Nature)", ibidem,
> pp. 291-297.
>
> A45 "Introduction: Aldous Huxley between East and west." In: C.G.
> Barfoot (ed.), Aldous Huxley between East and West, Studies in
> Comparative Literature XXXVII, Amsterdam: Rodopi (2001). pp. 3-8
>
> A46 "Once Again on the Origin of Mah?y?na Buddhism." Wiener
> Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?dasiens, Vol.45 (2001), pp. 59?90
>
> A47 "Arhat und Bodhisattva im Daoxing ??". H?rin: Vergleichende
> Studien zur Japanischen Kultur: Eine Ver??entlichung des Hauses der
> Japanischen Kultur (EKO) in D?sseldorf. Vol. X (2003), pp. 47?71
>
> A48 "Zur Anthropologie der Khandha-Passagen in den ?lteren Sammlungen
> des P?li-Kanons." in Gerhard Oberhammer & Marcus Schm?cker (ed).
> Mythisierung der Transzendenz als Entwurf ihrer Erfahrung.
> Arbeitsdokumentation eines Symposiums. (Beitra?ge zur Kultur- und
> Geistesgeschichte Asiens, Nr. 41.; Sitzungsberichte O?sterreichische
> Akademie der Wissenschaften. Philosophisch-Historische Klasse), 706
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> (2003). pp.381-398
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> A49 "Der Bodhisattva-Weg im Gan?d?avyu?hasu?tra." Buddhismus in
> Geschichte und Gegenwart. Universit?t Hamburg, Asien-Afrika-Institut,
> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets.
> (Weiterbildendes Studium). Band 9 (Winter 2003/04): Facetten des
> Buddhismus - gibt es einen gemeinsamen Kern? pp.62-78
>
> A50 Tilmann Vetter & Stefano Zacchetti, ?On Jingfa ?? in Early Chinese
> Buddhist Translations?, Annual Report of The International Research
> Institute for Advanced Buddhology at Soka University for the Academic
> Year 2003, Vol. 7, 2004, pp. 159-166.
>
> M10 A Lexicographical Study of An Shigao?s and his Circle?s Chinese
> Translations of Buddhist Texts. Studia Philologica Buddhica: Monograph
> Series Vol. 28. Tokyo : The International Institute for Buddhist
> Studies of the International College for Postgraduate Buddhist
> Studies. (2012) 344pp.
>
> A51 "Early Mahayana and the Buddhas of the Ten Directions" in Ulrich
> Timme Kragh (ed). The Foundation for Yoga Practitioners: The Buddhist
> Yog?c?rabh?mi Treatise and Its Adaptation in India, East Asia, and
> Tibet. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press (2013) pp.
> 290-311
>
> (Unver?ffentlichte Arbeit???):
>
> "Soteriological meanings in the Dighanikaya, the collection of long
> suttas in the old buddhistic canon". (OND1292753).
> www.narcis.nl/research/RecordID/OND1292753/Language/en
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From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 17:10:45 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
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Right! But they surely mentioned the author's name. What happens elsewhere is different. There is one Cosmo Publishers with office (main?) in Delhi. They published something like an encyclopaedia of the tantras. The fourth chapter of a 1984 publication of mine was copied and printed therein without my name even once being mentioned. Some friend consoled me that it proved at least that my work had some value. 
Even celebrated authors do not escape being plagiarized. Satavalekar is a well-known name to Vedic scholars. A firm in Delhi is reprinting his works in their name even before 6o years (copyright limit according to Indian law) passed after his death. Examples will be a legion.
But I refrain from mentioning them
Best
DB




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>From Brill's press release announcing its 2012 results:

Brill?s net profit in 2012 (EUR 5.7 million) is the highest ever in the company?s history.?
>Operational margin (EBITDA/revenue) decreased to 15.4% (2011: 16.7%).? ? ?

Who knows how much of this came from its Indological list, but a part of it will have come from an edited volume I ordered (for our library) for the usual ?150 or US$200. It was quite clear that next to no editorial work had been done. Just one example: one chapter, clearly lifted from the author's dissertation, referred to something mentioned "in the previous chapter" -- evidently, of the dissertation, not the edited volume, in which the previous chapter was by another author on an unrelated topic. Of course the editors bear some responsibility for this, but the press surely does too, especially at these prices. ?

Best wishes

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From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 12:47:17 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
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With the growth of good desktop document processing software and the
universality of good, free Unicode fonts, it is now entirely feasible for
an individual to produce excellent camera-ready copy of an academic book
for themselves, with modest effort over a modest period of time.

With services like Lulu <http://lulu.com> and
Createspace<http://www.createspace.com/>,
the transition from a PDF on your computer to a hard-bound, published book
sold online and through Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc., is also very easy and
cheap.  I mean, less than about $100, total cost.  I did a book with Lulu a
couple of years ago (my father's memoirs), and I paid $60 to cover
distribution through Amazon and all other big bookshops and online
services.  Everything else was free.  The book is large, 650 pages, and
costs about $50 for hardback, with free shipping in the USA (e.g.,
Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Czasy-i-Przyjanie-Polish-Edition/dp/8322731558/>,
B&N<http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/czasy-i-przyja-nie-stanis-aw-wujastyk/1028502389?ean=9788322731550>).
I also made the PDF downloadable
directly<http://www.lulu.com/shop/stanis%C5%82aw-wujastyk/czasy-i-przyja%C5%BAnie/ebook/product-17376017.html>from
Lulu at $12.

What does all this mean?

What it means is that publishers are no longer necessary for performing the
traditional roles of book production and distribution.   Authors can now do
this satisfactorily for themselves at marginal cost, high quality, and with
international distribution.

What remains?  What I call "Gatekeeping" services.  With today's deluge of
free online resources, what we all really do need is someone to take
responsibility for guaranteeing high intellectual quality.  Trustworthiness.

Traditionally, this was also a role performed by some publishers,
especially the university presses.  A book on Buddhism from Cambridge
University Press *should* be of a different calibre from a book on Buddhism
from, say, Harlequin <http://www.harlequin.com/> or Mills &
Boon<http://www.millsandboon.co.uk>.
The good academic publishers acted as gatekeepers, offering an implicit
guarantee of intellectual quality.

But if you look more closely at this arrangement, the university presses
rely heavily on the free services of university staff for refereeing, book
acquisition, series curation, and sometimes even content-editing and
copy-editing.  In-house copy-editing was usual, however, and often of a
high standard.

Another service that a big university press provides is prestige.  A young
scholar with a book published by Princeton is likely to do better at
getting a job than another with a book published with a publisher of less
prestige.  This is because appointment committees are willing to take the
implied quality-guarantee of Princeton UP.  But again, Princeton only
publishes books because unpaid academic referees at universities give the
thumbs-up.  The process is circular.


What does all this mean?

If books can be produced and distributed by academics themselves, and
refereed and edited by them too, what is left for publishers?  Not much, I
think, unless they dramatically change their business and service models.

What we see going on today, I believe, are the last convulsions of a dying
industry.  Yes, they're making a lot of money, but only because of the
inertia and uncertainty of academics.  What used to be called
FUD<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt>("fear,
uncertainty and doubt").  The upcoming younger generation of
scholars with different preconceptions will probably not be so smitten by
the prestige of old publishing houses, and will be more adept at
self-publishing.

What remains is the need for gatekeeping, for the guaranteeing of quality.
If publishers really took that seriously, and divorced their editorial
selections and quality judgements from their need to remain profitable,
then they might salvage for themselves a genuine role in the future.  I
cannot see a way in which genuine academic quality can be guaranteed by an
institution that simultaneously has to satisfy criteria of profitability.
As long as their are two goals - quality and profit - there will inevitably
arise cases of conflict and compromise.  In short, gatekeeping is the job
of (publicly-funded) university staff, not a (commercial) publisher.

The alternative to this is that university staff take back into their own
hands all the processes of the production and distribution of knowledge.
In fact, this is the change that the major funding bodies are pressing upon
us, with the widespread requirement that publicly-funded academic research
be published Open Access.  It is also the original idea of the university
press.


Here's a hypothetical model for a future academic book series.

   - Author on a research grant or university salary writes a book.
   - The book is typeset using LibreOffice or TeX.  The university
   department provides some secretarial support to help, or some money from
   the research grant pays for smart word-processing by an agency.
   - The book is sent to an external commercial copy-editing company to
   tidy up the details.  A smart, accurate PDF results.
   This is paid for by the university department, or out of the research
   grant (this is already common).
   - The PDF is submitted to a panel of academics somewhere who curate a
   book series, judging the intellectual quality of the submissions.  The book
   is accepted as an important intellectual contribution..
   - The PDF is uploaded to Lulu.com or Createspace, where it is turned
   into a print-on-demand hardback book for sale internationally through
   Amazon etc., and in bookshops.
   Lulu are the printers and distributors.
   The ISBN is provided by the university department, so they are the
   publishers, not Lulu.
   - The book is advertised through a prestige university website that
   promotes the book as an intellectual contribution, contextualizes it as a
   university-curated product, and made available for sale through a simple
   click link to PayPal, Amazon, etc.  The university's series name is printed
   in the book, and splashed all over the website.

Ooops: high quality production, high quality intellectual content,
university curation, international sales, but no "traditional" publisher!

Please blow holes in what I've said. There must be an elephant in the room
that I'm not seeing.

Best,

Dominik

--
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies<http://stb.univie.ac.at>
,
University of Vienna,
Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1
1090 Vienna, Austria
and
Adjunct Professor,
Division of Health and Humanities,
St. John's Research Institute, <http://www.sjri.res.in/> Bangalore, India.
Project <http://www.istb.univie.ac.at/caraka/> | home
page<http://www.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>|
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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Wed May 15 10:58:05 2013
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 12:58:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
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Brilliant I think.  Would only add that of course any final product be
readily available as an ebook as well, since this is also the new wave (my
own collection of printed material has shrunk dramatically).


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>wrote:

> With the growth of good desktop document processing software and the
> universality of good, free Unicode fonts, it is now entirely feasible for
> an individual to produce excellent camera-ready copy of an academic book
> for themselves, with modest effort over a modest period of time.
>
> With services like Lulu <http://lulu.com> and Createspace<http://www.createspace.com/>,
> the transition from a PDF on your computer to a hard-bound, published book
> sold online and through Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc., is also very easy and
> cheap.  I mean, less than about $100, total cost.  I did a book with Lulu a
> couple of years ago (my father's memoirs), and I paid $60 to cover
> distribution through Amazon and all other big bookshops and online
> services.  Everything else was free.  The book is large, 650 pages, and
> costs about $50 for hardback, with free shipping in the USA (e.g., Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Czasy-i-Przyjanie-Polish-Edition/dp/8322731558/>,
> B&N<http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/czasy-i-przyja-nie-stanis-aw-wujastyk/1028502389?ean=9788322731550>).
> I also made the PDF downloadable directly<http://www.lulu.com/shop/stanis%C5%82aw-wujastyk/czasy-i-przyja%C5%BAnie/ebook/product-17376017.html>from Lulu at $12.
>
> What does all this mean?
>
> What it means is that publishers are no longer necessary for performing
> the traditional roles of book production and distribution.   Authors can
> now do this satisfactorily for themselves at marginal cost, high quality,
> and with international distribution.
>
> What remains?  What I call "Gatekeeping" services.  With today's deluge of
> free online resources, what we all really do need is someone to take
> responsibility for guaranteeing high intellectual quality.  Trustworthiness.
>
> Traditionally, this was also a role performed by some publishers,
> especially the university presses.  A book on Buddhism from Cambridge
> University Press *should* be of a different calibre from a book on Buddhism
> from, say, Harlequin <http://www.harlequin.com/> or Mills & Boon<http://www.millsandboon.co.uk>.
> The good academic publishers acted as gatekeepers, offering an implicit
> guarantee of intellectual quality.
>
> But if you look more closely at this arrangement, the university presses
> rely heavily on the free services of university staff for refereeing, book
> acquisition, series curation, and sometimes even content-editing and
> copy-editing.  In-house copy-editing was usual, however, and often of a
> high standard.
>
> Another service that a big university press provides is prestige.  A young
> scholar with a book published by Princeton is likely to do better at
> getting a job than another with a book published with a publisher of less
> prestige.  This is because appointment committees are willing to take the
> implied quality-guarantee of Princeton UP.  But again, Princeton only
> publishes books because unpaid academic referees at universities give the
> thumbs-up.  The process is circular.
>
>
> What does all this mean?
>
> If books can be produced and distributed by academics themselves, and
> refereed and edited by them too, what is left for publishers?  Not much, I
> think, unless they dramatically change their business and service models.
>
> What we see going on today, I believe, are the last convulsions of a dying
> industry.  Yes, they're making a lot of money, but only because of the
> inertia and uncertainty of academics.  What used to be called FUD<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt>("fear, uncertainty and doubt").  The upcoming younger generation of
> scholars with different preconceptions will probably not be so smitten by
> the prestige of old publishing houses, and will be more adept at
> self-publishing.
>
> What remains is the need for gatekeeping, for the guaranteeing of
> quality.  If publishers really took that seriously, and divorced their
> editorial selections and quality judgements from their need to remain
> profitable, then they might salvage for themselves a genuine role in the
> future.  I cannot see a way in which genuine academic quality can be
> guaranteed by an institution that simultaneously has to satisfy criteria of
> profitability.  As long as their are two goals - quality and profit - there
> will inevitably arise cases of conflict and compromise.  In short,
> gatekeeping is the job of (publicly-funded) university staff, not a
> (commercial) publisher.
>
> The alternative to this is that university staff take back into their own
> hands all the processes of the production and distribution of knowledge.
> In fact, this is the change that the major funding bodies are pressing upon
> us, with the widespread requirement that publicly-funded academic research
> be published Open Access.  It is also the original idea of the university
> press.
>
>
> Here's a hypothetical model for a future academic book series.
>
>    - Author on a research grant or university salary writes a book.
>    - The book is typeset using LibreOffice or TeX.  The university
>    department provides some secretarial support to help, or some money from
>    the research grant pays for smart word-processing by an agency.
>    - The book is sent to an external commercial copy-editing company to
>    tidy up the details.  A smart, accurate PDF results.
>    This is paid for by the university department, or out of the research
>    grant (this is already common).
>    - The PDF is submitted to a panel of academics somewhere who curate a
>    book series, judging the intellectual quality of the submissions.  The book
>    is accepted as an important intellectual contribution..
>    - The PDF is uploaded to Lulu.com or Createspace, where it is turned
>    into a print-on-demand hardback book for sale internationally through
>    Amazon etc., and in bookshops.
>    Lulu are the printers and distributors.
>    The ISBN is provided by the university department, so they are the
>    publishers, not Lulu.
>    - The book is advertised through a prestige university website that
>    promotes the book as an intellectual contribution, contextualizes it as a
>    university-curated product, and made available for sale through a simple
>    click link to PayPal, Amazon, etc.  The university's series name is printed
>    in the book, and splashed all over the website.
>
> Ooops: high quality production, high quality intellectual content,
> university curation, international sales, but no "traditional" publisher!
>
> Please blow holes in what I've said. There must be an elephant in the room
> that I'm not seeing.
>
> Best,
>
> Dominik
>
> --
> Dr Dominik Wujastyk
> Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies<http://stb.univie.ac.at>
> ,
> University of Vienna,
> Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1
> 1090 Vienna, Austria
> and
> Adjunct Professor,
> Division of Health and Humanities,
> St. John's Research Institute, <http://www.sjri.res.in/> Bangalore, India.
> Project <http://www.istb.univie.ac.at/caraka/> | home page<http://www.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>|
> HSSA <http://hssa.sayahna.org> | PGP <http://wujastyk.net/pgp.html>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Wed May 15 13:15:57 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 21:15:57 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
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Seems good
booster to suggestions and ideas already in the air since the advent of the
electronic journal and personal website. But I could not think of any feasible
solution to the problem of cost, particularly a workable distribution mechanism
towards defrayal of the production cost. I convey thanks but am also aware that?this
may mean the beginning of the end of Calcutta's Boipa?a, what may be
called its huge 'arrodissement du livre' ?grown up over about 200 years exhibiting a
unique coexistence of built up bookshops selling the latest from Larousse, the
OUP, Motilal Banarsidass along with kiosks selling cheap editions for school
and college students and roadside shanties selling old used books for collectors,
often at prohibitive price.Many Western cities have grown similar booklovers? neighbourhood but this
seems unique in the East.
Best
DB 



________________________________
 From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info> 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
 


With the growth of good desktop document processing software and the universality of good, free Unicode fonts, it is now entirely feasible for an individual to produce excellent camera-ready copy of an academic book for themselves, with modest effort over a modest period of time.


With services like Lulu and Createspace, the transition from a PDF on your computer to a hard-bound, published book sold online and through Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc., is also very easy and cheap.? I mean, less than about $100, total cost.? I did a book with Lulu a couple of years ago (my father's memoirs), and I paid $60 to cover distribution through Amazon and all other big bookshops and online services.? Everything else was free.? The book is large, 650 pages, and costs about $50 for hardback, with free shipping in the USA (e.g., Amazon, B&N).??? I also made the PDF downloadable directly from Lulu at $12.


What does all this mean?

What it means is that publishers are no longer necessary for performing the traditional roles of book production and distribution.?? Authors can now do this satisfactorily for themselves at marginal cost, high quality, and with international distribution.


What remains?? What I call "Gatekeeping" services.? With today's deluge of free online resources, what we all really do need is someone to take responsibility for guaranteeing high intellectual quality.? Trustworthiness.


Traditionally, this was also a role performed by some publishers, especially the university presses.? A book on Buddhism from Cambridge University Press *should* be of a different calibre from a book on Buddhism from, say, Harlequin or Mills & Boon.?? The good academic publishers acted as gatekeepers, offering an implicit guarantee of intellectual quality.

But if you look more closely at this arrangement, the university presses rely heavily on the free services  of university staff for refereeing, book acquisition, series curation, and sometimes even content-editing and copy-editing.? In-house copy-editing was usual, however, and often of a high standard.


Another service that a big university press provides is prestige.? A young scholar with a book published by Princeton is likely to  do better at getting a job than another with a book published with a publisher of less prestige.? This is because appointment committees are willing to take the implied quality-guarantee  of Princeton UP.? But again, Princeton only publishes books because unpaid academic referees at universities give the thumbs-up.? The process is circular.



What does all this mean?


If books can be produced and distributed by academics themselves, and refereed and edited by them too, what is left for publishers?? Not much, I think, unless they dramatically change their business and service models.


What we see going on today, I believe, are the last convulsions of a dying industry.? Yes, they're making a lot of money, but only because of the inertia and uncertainty of academics.? What used to be called FUD ("fear, uncertainty and doubt").? The upcoming younger generation of scholars with different preconceptions will probably not be so smitten by the prestige of old publishing houses, and will be more adept at self-publishing.


What remains is the need for gatekeeping, for the guaranteeing of quality.? If publishers really took that seriously, and divorced their editorial selections and quality judgements from their need to remain profitable, then they might salvage for themselves a genuine role in the future.? I cannot see a way in which genuine academic quality can be guaranteed by an institution that simultaneously has to satisfy criteria of profitability.? As long as their are two goals - quality and profit - there will inevitably arise cases of conflict and compromise.? In short, gatekeeping is the job of (publicly-funded) university staff, not a (commercial) publisher.


The alternative to this is that university staff take back into their own hands all the  processes of the production and distribution of knowledge.? In fact, this is the change that the major funding bodies are pressing upon us, with the widespread requirement that publicly-funded academic research be published Open Access.? It is also the original  idea of the university press.



Here's a hypothetical model for a future academic book series.? 

	* Author on a research grant or university salary writes a book.? 

	* The book is typeset using LibreOffice or TeX.? The university department provides some secretarial support to help, or some money from the research grant pays for smart word-processing by an agency.

	* The book is sent to an external commercial copy-editing company to tidy up the details.? A smart, accurate PDF results.? 
This is paid for by the university department, or out of the research grant (this is already common).

	* The PDF is submitted to a panel of academics somewhere who curate a book series, judging the intellectual quality of the submissions.? The book is accepted as an important intellectual contribution..

	* The PDF is uploaded to Lulu.com or Createspace, where it is turned into a print-on-demand hardback book for sale internationally through Amazon etc., and in bookshops.? 
Lulu are the printers and distributors.? 
The ISBN is provided by the university department, so they are the publishers, not Lulu.??
	* The book is advertised through a prestige university website that promotes the book as an intellectual contribution, contextualizes it as a university-curated product, and made available for sale through a simple click link to PayPal, Amazon, etc.? The university's series name is printed in the book, and splashed all over the website.
Ooops: high quality production, high quality intellectual content, university curation, international sales, but no "traditional" publisher! 

Please blow holes in what I've said. There must be an elephant in the room that I'm not seeing.

Best,
Dominik


--
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies,
University of Vienna,
Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1
1090 Vienna, Austria
and 
Adjunct Professor, 
Division of Health and Humanities,
St. John's Research Institute, Bangalore, India.
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From aprigliano at usp.br  Wed May 15 17:24:14 2013
From: aprigliano at usp.br (Adriano Aprigliano)
Date: Wed, 15 May 13 14:24:14 -0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Citrak=C4=81vya?=
Message-ID: <01F6EB0E-B1F0-4165-851D-33547BF28996@usp.br>

Dear list members,

I'm trying to help a friend who's looking for a solid bibliography on Citrak?vya. She's been finding it very hard to find, especially, good analysis and translations of the poems.

Does any one also know of editions of the texts quoted bellow with commentaries or glosses explaining the citra passages?

?i?up?lavadha, canto 19

kir?t?rju??ya, canto 15

j?nak?hara?a, canto 18

Bellow she gives a list of the poems she worked on in her thesis (in which she also worked with greek and latin carmina figurata), many of which she couldn't understand fully well. If anyone could help us in finding any other bibliographic info on them, we'd be very grateful.

1. padmabandha - quoted in Jha (1975; 197) 

2. khadgabandha - Leela (1999: 61), Lienhard (1992: 211)

3. ?arabandha - Leela (1999: 63),  Lienhard (1992: 212).

4. musalabandha - Leela (1999: 62).

5. ?akti -  (Leela: 1999).

6. dhanus

7. hala

8. tri?ula - Leela  (1999: 63)

9. murajabandha -  (29th stanza of  ?i?up?lavadha's  canto 19 (Jha, 1975: 201); Leela (1999: 68).

10. chatrabandha - Jha (1975: 199)

11. cakrabandha - -(one in ?i??p?lavadha's canto 19), another one quoted byLienhard (1992: 209) from Kum?rad?sa's J?nak?hara?a (18.148); a third one by  Jha (1975:. 198) 

13. turagapadabandha - Jha (1975: 196)

14. ??rayantrabandha - Jhaa (1975: 61)

15. sarvatobhadra - also form ?i?up?lavadha (19. 27).

16. gom?trik? - one j?nak?hara?a  (18. 21), another one from kir?t?rjun?ya (15. 12?)

The authors citing theses poems, she says, usually don't say where they got them from.

If any one may have digitized material that could send us, I thank him/her in advance.

Best wishes
Prof. Dr. Adriano Aprigliano
?rea de L?ngua e Literatura Latina
 
Faculdade de Filosofia, Letras e Ci?ncias Humanas
Universidade de S?o Paulo
S?o Paulo, Brasil








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From e.ciurtin at gmail.com  Thu May 16 01:12:08 2013
From: e.ciurtin at gmail.com (Eugen Ciurtin)
Date: Thu, 16 May 13 04:12:08 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill acquires the Forsten Indology list
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I would like to simply thank Dominik Wujastyk and the other grand scholars
who raised and answered such vital questions of scholarship. In things
Indological as in other areas, this conversation may well document a
context-sensitive reading of *tuta sub aegide Pallas* - as the agency of
other 'gods' is often palpable as well.

Eugen


2013/5/15 Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>

> With the growth of good desktop document processing software and the
> universality of good, free Unicode fonts, it is now entirely feasible for
> an individual to produce excellent camera-ready copy of an academic book
> for themselves, with modest effort over a modest period of time.
>
> With services like Lulu <http://lulu.com> and Createspace<http://www.createspace.com/>,
> the transition from a PDF on your computer to a hard-bound, published book
> sold online and through Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc., is also very easy and
> cheap.  I mean, less than about $100, total cost.  I did a book with Lulu a
> couple of years ago (my father's memoirs), and I paid $60 to cover
> distribution through Amazon and all other big bookshops and online
> services.  Everything else was free.  The book is large, 650 pages, and
> costs about $50 for hardback, with free shipping in the USA (e.g., Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Czasy-i-Przyjanie-Polish-Edition/dp/8322731558/>,
> B&N<http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/czasy-i-przyja-nie-stanis-aw-wujastyk/1028502389?ean=9788322731550>).
> I also made the PDF downloadable directly<http://www.lulu.com/shop/stanis%C5%82aw-wujastyk/czasy-i-przyja%C5%BAnie/ebook/product-17376017.html>from Lulu at $12.
>
> What does all this mean?
>
> What it means is that publishers are no longer necessary for performing
> the traditional roles of book production and distribution.   Authors can
> now do this satisfactorily for themselves at marginal cost, high quality,
> and with international distribution.
>
> What remains?  What I call "Gatekeeping" services.  With today's deluge of
> free online resources, what we all really do need is someone to take
> responsibility for guaranteeing high intellectual quality.  Trustworthiness.
>
> Traditionally, this was also a role performed by some publishers,
> especially the university presses.  A book on Buddhism from Cambridge
> University Press *should* be of a different calibre from a book on Buddhism
> from, say, Harlequin <http://www.harlequin.com/> or Mills & Boon<http://www.millsandboon.co.uk>.
> The good academic publishers acted as gatekeepers, offering an implicit
> guarantee of intellectual quality.
>
> But if you look more closely at this arrangement, the university presses
> rely heavily on the free services of university staff for refereeing, book
> acquisition, series curation, and sometimes even content-editing and
> copy-editing.  In-house copy-editing was usual, however, and often of a
> high standard.
>
> Another service that a big university press provides is prestige.  A young
> scholar with a book published by Princeton is likely to do better at
> getting a job than another with a book published with a publisher of less
> prestige.  This is because appointment committees are willing to take the
> implied quality-guarantee of Princeton UP.  But again, Princeton only
> publishes books because unpaid academic referees at universities give the
> thumbs-up.  The process is circular.
>
>
> What does all this mean?
>
> If books can be produced and distributed by academics themselves, and
> refereed and edited by them too, what is left for publishers?  Not much, I
> think, unless they dramatically change their business and service models.
>
> What we see going on today, I believe, are the last convulsions of a dying
> industry.  Yes, they're making a lot of money, but only because of the
> inertia and uncertainty of academics.  What used to be called FUD<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt>("fear, uncertainty and doubt").  The upcoming younger generation of
> scholars with different preconceptions will probably not be so smitten by
> the prestige of old publishing houses, and will be more adept at
> self-publishing.
>
> What remains is the need for gatekeeping, for the guaranteeing of
> quality.  If publishers really took that seriously, and divorced their
> editorial selections and quality judgements from their need to remain
> profitable, then they might salvage for themselves a genuine role in the
> future.  I cannot see a way in which genuine academic quality can be
> guaranteed by an institution that simultaneously has to satisfy criteria of
> profitability.  As long as their are two goals - quality and profit - there
> will inevitably arise cases of conflict and compromise.  In short,
> gatekeeping is the job of (publicly-funded) university staff, not a
> (commercial) publisher.
>
> The alternative to this is that university staff take back into their own
> hands all the processes of the production and distribution of knowledge.
> In fact, this is the change that the major funding bodies are pressing upon
> us, with the widespread requirement that publicly-funded academic research
> be published Open Access.  It is also the original idea of the university
> press.
>
>
> Here's a hypothetical model for a future academic book series.
>
>    - Author on a research grant or university salary writes a book.
>    - The book is typeset using LibreOffice or TeX.  The university
>    department provides some secretarial support to help, or some money from
>    the research grant pays for smart word-processing by an agency.
>    - The book is sent to an external commercial copy-editing company to
>    tidy up the details.  A smart, accurate PDF results.
>    This is paid for by the university department, or out of the research
>    grant (this is already common).
>    - The PDF is submitted to a panel of academics somewhere who curate a
>    book series, judging the intellectual quality of the submissions.  The book
>    is accepted as an important intellectual contribution..
>    - The PDF is uploaded to Lulu.com or Createspace, where it is turned
>    into a print-on-demand hardback book for sale internationally through
>    Amazon etc., and in bookshops.
>    Lulu are the printers and distributors.
>    The ISBN is provided by the university department, so they are the
>    publishers, not Lulu.
>    - The book is advertised through a prestige university website that
>    promotes the book as an intellectual contribution, contextualizes it as a
>    university-curated product, and made available for sale through a simple
>    click link to PayPal, Amazon, etc.  The university's series name is printed
>    in the book, and splashed all over the website.
>
> Ooops: high quality production, high quality intellectual content,
> university curation, international sales, but no "traditional" publisher!
>
> Please blow holes in what I've said. There must be an elephant in the room
> that I'm not seeing.
>
> Best,
>
> Dominik
>
> --
> Dr Dominik Wujastyk
> Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies<http://stb.univie.ac.at>
> ,
> University of Vienna,
> Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1
> 1090 Vienna, Austria
> and
> Adjunct Professor,
> Division of Health and Humanities,
> St. John's Research Institute, <http://www.sjri.res.in/> Bangalore, India.
> Project <http://www.istb.univie.ac.at/caraka/> | home page<http://www.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>|
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>
>
>
>
>
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From tomokn at gmail.com  Thu May 16 02:57:16 2013
From: tomokn at gmail.com (Tomoyuki Kono)
Date: Thu, 16 May 13 03:57:16 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Announcement: Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist	Studies (vol. 4)
Message-ID: <9DC771D2-3021-49F7-8037-23191F308F94@gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues (with apologies for cross-posting),

We are pleased to announce the publication of the fourth issue of the Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies. We enclose a section of the Editorial, together with the table of contents.

**From the Editorial**
Here I wish to draw particular attention to three contributions, all of which say something new and important, making real additions to our knowledge of Buddhism. I think that any reader can see for themselves that ?The Silent Mentors of Tzu Chi? is a remarkable article. It is remarkable firstly in being both a primary and a secondary source... the whole is further enhanced by the comments of the author, himself a prominent member of Tzu Chi. Rey?s article is uplifting. That by Suren R?ghavan is deeply depressing. Here we overlap with journalism ? and Suren has indeed worked as a journalist ? for he is recording the activities of a new movement which 3 months ago, when he started writing, hardly anyone outside Sri Lanka had heard of, while now more news, much of it lurid, is appearing on the Internet every day. But his article is far from ephemeral. He adds to his report of ongoing events a profound analysis of their background and current context, leading to a chilling warning of where they seem to be heading. The article by Brett Shults could hardly be more different, for it deals in painstaking detail with facts which have been available for over two thousand years ? but not adequately understood.

**Contents**
Editorial.
Richard Gombrich. Page 5

Early Buddhist and Confucian Concepts of Filial Piety: A Comparative Study.
Guang Xing. Page 8.

The Silent Mentors of Tzu Chi.
Rey-Sheng Her. Page 47.

In Search of the Khmer Bhikkhun?: Reading Between the Lines in Late Classical and Early Middle Cambodia (13th?18th Centuries).
Trude Jacobsen. Page 75.

Buddhicizing or Ethnicizing the State: Do the Sinhala Sa?gha Fear Muslims in Sri Lanka? Suren R?ghavan. Page 88.

Brahmanical Terminology and The Straight Way in the Tevijja Sutta.
Brett Shults. Page 105.

Parmenides and N?g?rjuna: A Buddhist Interpretation of Ancient Greek Philosophy.
Nathan Tamblyn. Page 134.

Book Review
Reading Buddhist Sanskrit Texts: An Elementary Grammatical Guide. K.L. Dhammajoti. Reviewed by Brett Shults. Page 147.

---

For information on how to subscribe, please visit http://www.ocbs.org/ojs/index.php/jocbs.
Institutional subscribers can contact Steven Egan (steven.egan at ocbs.org) for further information.

---
Tomoyuki Kono, MA, DPhil
Production Manager
Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies
Oxford




From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 03:10:15 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Thu, 16 May 13 11:10:15 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=EF=BB=BFCitrak=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <01F6EB0E-B1F0-4165-851D-33547BF28996@usp.br>
Message-ID: <1368673815.54066.YahooMailNeo@web193502.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

?The
concept of citrak?vya
in Sanskrit literary criticism? Pratap Bandyopadhyay Traividyam:Vedic
studies in memory of Durgamohan Bhattacharya, Subarnarekha, Kolkata, 2001:
91?102 may be of some help. It has a small list of publications.
Best
DB



________________________________
 From: Adriano Aprigliano <aprigliano at usp.br>
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info> 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: [INDOLOGY] ?Citrak?vya
 


Dear list members,

I'm trying to help a friend who's looking for a solid bibliography on Citrak?vya. She's been finding it very hard to find, especially, good analysis and translations of the poems.

Does any one also know of editions of the texts quoted bellow with commentaries or glosses explaining the citra passages?

?i?up?lavadha, canto 19

kir?t?rju??ya, canto 15

j?nak?hara?a,?canto 18

Bellow she gives a list of the poems she worked on in her thesis (in which she also worked with greek and latin carmina figurata), many of which she couldn't understand fully well. If anyone could help us in finding any other bibliographic info on them, we'd be very grateful.

1. padmabandha - quoted in Jha (1975; 197)?

2. khadgabandha - Leela (1999: 61), Lienhard (1992: 211)

3. ?arabandha - Leela (1999: 63), ?Lienhard (1992: 212).

4. musalabandha - Leela (1999: 62).

5. ?akti - ?(Leela: 1999).

6. dhanus

7. hala

8. tri?ula - Leela ?(1999: 63)

9. murajabandha - ?(29th stanza of ??i?up?lavadha's ?canto 19 (Jha, 1975: 201); Leela (1999: 68).

10. chatrabandha - Jha (1975: 199)

11. cakrabandha -?-(one in ?i??p?lavadha's canto 19), another one quoted byLienhard (1992: 209) from Kum?rad?sa's J?nak?hara?a (18.148); a third one by??Jha (1975:. 198)?

13. turagapadabandha - Jha (1975: 196)

14. ??rayantrabandha - Jhaa (1975: 61)

15. sarvatobhadra - also form ?i?up?lavadha (19. 27).

16. gom?trik? - one j?nak?hara?a??(18. 21), another one from kir?t?rjun?ya (15. 12?)

The authors citing theses poems, she says, usually don't say where they got them from.

If any one may have digitized material that could send us, I thank him/her in advance.

Best wishes
Prof. Dr. Adriano Aprigliano
?rea de L?ngua e Literatura Latina
?
Faculdade de Filosofia, Letras e Ci?ncias Humanas
Universidade de S?o Paulo
S?o Paulo, Brasil






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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Thu May 16 17:57:03 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Thu, 16 May 13 17:57:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY]  email address for Jan Houben?
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC70016DD458@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

Does anyone out there have an email address for Jan Houben?

Thanks,

-j



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University





From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Thu May 16 18:05:03 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Thu, 16 May 13 18:05:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] email address for Jan Houben?
In-Reply-To: <E7DD47BD-41E8-4CF2-9D11-B175E8098641@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC70016DD49F@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

Alexander,

Thank you for such a quick response!

-j



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University

________________________________
From: Alexander von Rospatt [rospatt at berkeley.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:03 PM
To: Walser, Joseph
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] email address for Jan Houben?

"Jan E.M. Houben" <jemhouben at GMAIL.COM<mailto:jemhouben at GMAIL.COM>>

Best,






----------------
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Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies
Group in Buddhist Studies, Director
University of California
7233 Dwinelle Hall # 2540
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
USA
Phone: +1-510-6421610
Fax: +1-510-6432959
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On May 16, 2013, at 10:57 AM, "Walser, Joseph" <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu<mailto:Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>> wrote:

Does anyone out there have an email address for Jan Houben?

Thanks,

-j



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University

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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Fri May 17 20:17:09 2013
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Fri, 17 May 13 22:17:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Recognition of sanskrit as academic language
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoAsAO0zaqa6xWCMbGjpLv79qSOYJyEKpiAE_7e3U7ZBJg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Listmembers,

Although the French Vedic scholar Louis Renou in the first half of the
previous century still learned Dutch in order to read work of Willem Caland
in the latter's own language, there is at present no hope left for Dutch as
academic language. English is indisputably "ruling the waves" in academic
discourse, other languages such as French and German are trying to survive
in the same domain.

Sanskrit has now also been recognized, at least de facto/implicitly, as
medium for academic discourse in one of the bulwarks of French
bibliometrics:
the HALSHS archive.

See:
halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-00798698

Click on *fiche d?taill?e* for a resume of the article -- my recent
contribution to the discussion on Panini and Euclid and the scientific
methods for which they stand -- in the main language of the publication
(here: Sanskrit - in the form of a sragdharaa) and for a summary in French
and some additonal information.

About the Journal in which the article was published:

?ra?yakam (published from Ara - Varanasi; chief editor Prof. Gopabandhu
Mishra, Benares Hindu University.
(NB: end of June he will again be in Paris for a short visit and also teach
a brief course in spoken Sanskrit).

Category: Journal avec comit? de lecture (peer-reviewed journal). Main
language of the article: Sanskrit.

>From the Journal's rules and regulations (??ra?yaka?sya niyam??):
...
4. vimar??tmak? anusandh?n?tmak?? ca ??str?y? aprak??itap?rv? uccastar?y?
gambh?r?? ca maulik? nibandh?? prak??an?ya grhyante / ...
5. k?vya-n??aka-caritravar?ana-vya?gya-h?syasambaddh? navy? racan? atra
sth?na? na labhante.

Members of the editorial committee (par?mar?ad?tr? samiti?) of this
Journal: see colophon.

-- 
Jan Houben


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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Fri May 17 22:10:08 2013
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 00:10:08 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Sanskrit_translation_of_Le_Petit_Prince_by_Antoine_de_Saint_Exup=C3=A9ry?=
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoD6CDgdZuOGRK4UUhxBuYuLOK71N5RHCsg86Z72LTMe8Q@mail.gmail.com>

aha? yad? ?a?var??ya? ?sam, tad? ekad? ghor?ra?yasambandhini ekasmin
pustake ekam adbhuta? citram apa?yam / pustakasya n?ma ?s?t -
anubh?tasatyakath?? /

for the rest of the story see:

KAN?Y?N R?JAKUM?RA?
Sanskrit translation of the French book Le Petit Prince, authored by
Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry, Translated by Dr. Gopabandhu Mishra.
Publisher: Samskrita Bharati - Goa
Shri Sthala, Canacon, Goa - 403702
Pages 128
Price: Rs 70
Publ Date: January 2013

The translation has been done excellently; only with regard to the French
"apprivoiser" I have still some doubts: compare
"On ne conna?t que les choses que l?on apprivoise"
and
*ka? cit t?n eva vi?ay?n avagacchati y?n sa pr??ayati*.

("apprivoiser" is also difficult to translate into english etc.)

Best,

-- 
Jan Houben,


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May 17 22:33:51 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 00:33:51 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Sanskrit_translation_of_Le_Petit_Prince_by_Antoine_de_Saint_Exup=C3=A9ry?=
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoD6CDgdZuOGRK4UUhxBuYuLOK71N5RHCsg86Z72LTMe8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfabB=k+o=gt0F0jOEAHTnh1nC4kA+SQsvwLq686=N0WA@mail.gmail.com>

How nice.

Has anyone done Winnie the Pooh?

?Dominik?


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From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Sat May 18 04:15:15 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 12:15:15 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=EF=BB=BFSanskrit_translation_of_Le_Petit_Prince_by_Antoine_de_Saint_Exup=C3=A9ry?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CfabB=k+o=gt0F0jOEAHTnh1nC4kA+SQsvwLq686=N0WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1368850515.85543.YahooMailNeo@web193504.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

Among comparable attempts only a few are
being mentioned below
Dr. Sukhamay...,Calcutta University, The
Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark (?????), early seventies
Ajit Ny?yaratna Selected poems of Tagore, forties Calcutta
Vishnu Charan
Bhattacharya Kap?laku??al? of Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay forties,Calcutta
Best
DB



________________________________
 From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
To: 
Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info> 
Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2013 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] ?Sanskrit translation of Le Petit Prince by Antoine de Saint Exup?ry
 


How nice.? 


Has anyone done Winnie the Pooh?



?Dominik?

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat May 18 08:43:43 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 10:43:43 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Another Indological Kickstarter project
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CccEX94+ZXMtX-nHvoz9v85Dum5NHvF=Qxz3j5v8TpEpw@mail.gmail.com>

Our colleague Michael Slouber has launched a project page on
Kickstarter<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1326752800/tantric-medicine>to
help him get him finalize a book manuscript on the Garudam medical
tradition for submission.

As with the earlier, successful Kickstarter project by Jim Mallinson and
Mark Singleton, to write The Roots of
Yoga<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/36604121/the-roots-of-yoga-a-sourcebook-from-the-indian-tra>,
I find this new method of crowd-sourcing funding for academic work exciting
and interesting. I think it has a real place as a supplement to more
familiar methods of fund-raising through applications to centralized
finance sources controlled by the bureaucracies that we all love to hate.
?  ?
I might try it myself some time
? (but Kickstarter is only available in the USA and UK at present).?


I have donated to
?Michael's project and I wish him great success.

Best,
Dominik


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From slindqui at mail.smu.edu  Sat May 18 14:05:13 2013
From: slindqui at mail.smu.edu (Lindquist, Steven)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 14:05:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Another Indological Kickstarter project
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CccEX94+ZXMtX-nHvoz9v85Dum5NHvF=Qxz3j5v8TpEpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF42A6743577E541829A07570C28DB682F4A8036@SXMB1PG.SYSTEMS.SMU.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

Let me take a somewhat different position.  While exciting and interesting in certain ways, the crowdsourcing of academic work is also troubling and raises ethical issues worth considering.  I'd like to, though, disconnect this completely from any particular project and rather ask the question: is it in our best interest to be raise funds amongst ourselves or turn to the general public for funding?  And, if it is, are certain projects better suited to it than others?

Not only does crowdsourcing of academic work create its own "popularity" system for producing scholarship (traditional grant routes do this as well in supporting particular academic trends, but the key difference in my mind is that there is a formal, learned vetting system, even if it is not ideal).  My larger concern relates to the privatization of funding for research, especially for individuals and for specialized works.  Crowdsourcing of academic work gives an all-too-easy excuse for grant-giving and governmental bodies to disconnect from the funding of individual scholarship altogether.  It does the same for the publishing industry, where they can require or increase already-required subventions.  Arguably, these groups are already doing this in different fashions, especially under current austerity measures and the economic debacle many countries are in, but this sort of crowdsourcing could make their argument radically easy if it were to become at all popular in academic circles.  Who can't envision members of government, when considering funding priorities, stepping back altogether and saying, "If it has any public appeal, the public will fund it" and use crowdsourcing as a justification to cut funding completely?  Or a publisher doing the same in requiring a subvention?  Crowdsourcing scholarship would certainly be appealing to certain university higher admin types who could easily justify eliminating internal funding altogether?especially for the humanities, where "practical value" and larger fund-raising potential are hard arguments to make.

While I am not a fan of slippery-slope type arguments, I wonder if we are hurting ourselves in the long run if we circumvent the standard grant vetting based on an academic market for a different sort of market-driven popularity.  Perhaps certain types of work are more appropriate for crowdsourcing, I don't know.  And, of course, I admit there is still the vetting that takes place with the publisher, though that industry is in flux.  But are we going to see many more of these sorts of appeals?  A future onslaught across list serves?  Or to think it out further: are people going to increasingly turn to colleagues to fund any project they don't get a grant for or don't self-finance? How about requests to fund unfunded dissertation projects? Or to fund [insert name here]?

Obviously, an easy answer is simply "don't participate" if you don't agree with crowdsourcing.  But, as I said, I have mixed feelings (and not simply negative ones) which are about the future of this as a funding possibility and not about any particular project.

My best,

Steven


STEVEN LINDQUIST, PH.D.
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, RELIGIOUS STUDIES
DIRECTOR, ASIAN STUDIES
____________________
Southern Methodist University
PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275
http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui

From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com<mailto:wujastyk at gmail.com>>
Date: Saturday, May 18, 2013 3:43 AM
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Another Indological Kickstarter project

Our colleague Michael Slouber has launched a project page on Kickstarter<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1326752800/tantric-medicine> to help him get him finalize a book manuscript on the Garudam medical tradition for submission.

As with the earlier, successful Kickstarter project by Jim Mallinson and Mark Singleton, to write The Roots of Yoga<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/36604121/the-roots-of-yoga-a-sourcebook-from-the-indian-tra>, I find this new method of crowd-sourcing funding for academic work exciting and interesting. I think it has a real place as a supplement to more familiar methods of fund-raising through applications to centralized finance sources controlled by the bureaucracies that we all love to hate.
?  ?
I might try it myself some time
? (but Kickstarter is only available in the USA and UK at present).?


I have donated to
?Michael's project and I wish him great success.

Best,
Dominik




From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Sat May 18 17:13:53 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 12:13:53 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query
Message-ID: <E0FD4096-F7EE-422E-A2AA-2CAC45EB22F7@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Friends:

Hope someone can help me. Using pages from many months, I have been able to produce uncommon Devan?gar? ligatures by going to "Typography" and invoking the uncommon ligature feature. I think -- and here my memory fails me -- I did it by first going to "Show Character Viewer" and the pressing the "Star" key at the top left. But now when I do this, it simply gives me the option of character sizes. Hope someone out there knows how to get to the uncommon ligatures feature, available both on Pages and TextEdit.

Thanks.

Patrick




From sellmers at gmx.de  Sat May 18 17:32:56 2013
From: sellmers at gmx.de (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 19:32:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query
In-Reply-To: <E0FD4096-F7EE-422E-A2AA-2CAC45EB22F7@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <1F03033D-90B9-4C0D-A155-AE4A5482E5F8@gmx.de>

Dear Patrick,

when in TextEdit:

1. choose cmd + T
2. go to typography via the gearwheel (down left)
3. open "ligatures"
4. now you may choose between different options.

Best wishes,
Sven

Am 18.05.2013 um 19:13 schrieb Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:

> Friends:
> 
> Hope someone can help me. Using pages from many months, I have been able to produce uncommon Devan?gar? ligatures by going to "Typography" and invoking the uncommon ligature feature. I think -- and here my memory fails me -- I did it by first going to "Show Character Viewer" and the pressing the "Star" key at the top left. But now when I do this, it simply gives me the option of character sizes. Hope someone out there knows how to get to the uncommon ligatures feature, available both on Pages and TextEdit.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Patrick
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info






From sellmers at gmx.de  Sat May 18 17:40:27 2013
From: sellmers at gmx.de (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 19:40:27 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query: PS
In-Reply-To: <1F03033D-90B9-4C0D-A155-AE4A5482E5F8@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <02B45B59-126A-42C5-AD2F-DE8AE92F913E@gmx.de>

PS. I should add as a warning that in OSX 10.8 a serious bug appeared: the combination -rha- is no longer handled correctly in devanagari. So, if you want to type arhati [alt+a, r, f, h, t, i], you get arheti. I have already reported the problem to Apple some time ago, and they claim to be working on it.

Am 18.05.2013 um 19:32 schrieb Sven Sellmer <sellmers at gmx.de>:

> Dear Patrick,
> 
> when in TextEdit:
> 
> 1. choose cmd + T
> 2. go to typography via the gearwheel (down left)
> 3. open "ligatures"
> 4. now you may choose between different options.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Sven
> 
> Am 18.05.2013 um 19:13 schrieb Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:
> 
>> Friends:
>> 
>> Hope someone can help me. Using pages from many months, I have been able to produce uncommon Devan?gar? ligatures by going to "Typography" and invoking the uncommon ligature feature. I think -- and here my memory fails me -- I did it by first going to "Show Character Viewer" and the pressing the "Star" key at the top left. But now when I do this, it simply gives me the option of character sizes. Hope someone out there knows how to get to the uncommon ligatures feature, available both on Pages and TextEdit.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 






From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Sat May 18 17:47:34 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 12:47:34 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query
In-Reply-To: <1F03033D-90B9-4C0D-A155-AE4A5482E5F8@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <BC27FD0F-CE86-4EEC-A08A-FA49D9972B00@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Thanks to Sven and Michael Slouber for their insights. Now I have the rare conjuncts!! Thanks.

Patrick



On May 18, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Sven Sellmer wrote:

> Dear Patrick,
> 
> when in TextEdit:
> 
> 1. choose cmd + T
> 2. go to typography via the gearwheel (down left)
> 3. open "ligatures"
> 4. now you may choose between different options.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Sven
> 
> Am 18.05.2013 um 19:13 schrieb Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:
> 
>> Friends:
>> 
>> Hope someone can help me. Using pages from many months, I have been able to produce uncommon Devan?gar? ligatures by going to "Typography" and invoking the uncommon ligature feature. I think -- and here my memory fails me -- I did it by first going to "Show Character Viewer" and the pressing the "Star" key at the top left. But now when I do this, it simply gives me the option of character sizes. Hope someone out there knows how to get to the uncommon ligatures feature, available both on Pages and TextEdit.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 






From aprigliano at usp.br  Sat May 18 18:00:05 2013
From: aprigliano at usp.br (Adriano Aprigliano)
Date: Sat, 18 May 13 15:00:05 -0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Citrakaavya
Message-ID: <5DF8C49E-AD32-4178-BD10-A22FA9E177FC@usp.br>

I heartly thank Tim Cahill, Dipak Bhattacarya, Rohana Seneviratne and Ashok Aklujkar for the help with bibliographic references and materials.

best to all
Prof. Dr. Adriano Aprigliano
?rea de L?ngua e Literatura Latina
 
Faculdade de Filosofia, Letras e Ci?ncias Humanas
Universidade de S?o Paulo
S?o Paulo, Brasil








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From scharfpm7 at gmail.com  Mon May 20 15:29:14 2013
From: scharfpm7 at gmail.com (Peter Scharf)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 17:29:14 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Harvard Sanskrit manuscript cataloguing project
Message-ID: <3A78FD58-1185-4FEC-9E06-09143AB20C13@gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

	The Sanskrit Library is pleased to announce that it has received a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities for a two-year project entitled, "Enhancing Access to Primary Cultural Heritage Materials of India: Cataloging, digitizing, and integrating the Houghton Library's Indic Manuscript collection with intelligent digital resources."

	The proposed project is one of a few projects of the Sanskrit Library thai aim to enhance access to primary cultural heritage materials of India housed in American libraries by integrating them with digital texts, lexical resources, and linguistic software in a digital library of Sanskrit.  Integrating primary cultural materials with the Sanskrit Library will enable broad use of Indic collections for research and education.  The first such project catalogued the Sanskrit manuscripts at Brown University, most of which are concerned with the Mahabharata and Bhagavata Purana, and related manuscripts at the University of Pennsylvania.  The manuscripts were digitized and aligned with the corresponding text in the Pune critical edition so that one can search the critical edition text for passages of interest and link to image files of manuscript pages that contain the corresponding passage in each of the manuscripts in the project.  Please see details here.

	A second project beginning in June and running for two years develops automated image-text alignment software.  The project includes a sub-award to IIT Bombay where we have just hired two post-doctoral associates.

	The project I announce now catalogs all the Sanskrit manuscripts in the Houghton Library at Harvard University as the first phase of a larger project to catalogue, digitize and integrate them with corresponding digital texts in the Sanskrit Library.  The result serves as a model for collections of Indic materials throughout the U.S. and the world.  We are eager to cooperate with other institutions that house collections of Sanskrit manuscripts to digitize, catalogue and integrate them with corresponding texts.

Sincerely,

Peter M. Scharf, President
The Sanskrit Library
scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
*************************************************
Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
Universit? Paris Diderot
Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
Cedex 13
75205 Paris
France
33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
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From scharfpm7 at gmail.com  Mon May 20 15:52:52 2013
From: scharfpm7 at gmail.com (Peter Scharf)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 17:52:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
Message-ID: <10D46E75-07F8-4B84-9C6D-12424658BD6E@gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,
	The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's Sanskrit Syntax.  The second day of the program begins with a special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th will include several presentations on the state of image-text alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts.  Please see the announcement of the seminar and the full program under Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
	Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the seminar website.
	The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la Fondation de l?Ecole Normale Sup?rieure.
	Yours sincerely,
	Peter

Peter M. Scharf, President
The Sanskrit Library
scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
*************************************************
Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
Universit? Paris Diderot
Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
Cedex 13
75205 Paris
France
33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
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From glhart at berkeley.edu  Mon May 20 18:15:52 2013
From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 11:15:52 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Harvard Sanskrit manuscript cataloguing project
In-Reply-To: <3A78FD58-1185-4FEC-9E06-09143AB20C13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D967299F-68CA-4CB4-9457-EB396638928B@berkeley.edu>

I think it's worth remarking that "Indic" and "Sanskrit" are not synonyms.  Materials in Tamil, Telugu and other languages are as important for Indic studies -- even premodern Indic studies -- as those in Sanskrit.  The projects Peter describes are certainly worthwhile and significant.  At the same time, we should be mindful that there are large stashes of manuscripts in languages other than Sanskrit that have never been scanned or digitized and that are slowly falling apart in libraries and other places in India.  Scholars have done a pretty good job with Sanskrit.  Other important languages have not had the same degree of care.  George Hart

On May 20, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
> 
> 	The Sanskrit Library is pleased to announce that it has received a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities for a two-year project entitled, "Enhancing Access to Primary Cultural Heritage Materials of India: Cataloging, digitizing, and integrating the Houghton Library's Indic Manuscript collection with intelligent digital resources."
> 
> 	The proposed project is one of a few projects of the Sanskrit Library thai aim to enhance access to primary cultural heritage materials of India housed in American libraries by integrating them with digital texts, lexical resources, and linguistic software in a digital library of Sanskrit.  Integrating primary cultural materials with the Sanskrit Library will enable broad use of Indic collections for research and education.  The first such project catalogued the Sanskrit manuscripts at Brown University, most of which are concerned with the Mahabharata and Bhagavata Purana, and related manuscripts at the University of Pennsylvania.  The manuscripts were digitized and aligned with the corresponding text in the Pune critical edition so that one can search the critical edition text for passages of interest and link to image files of manuscript pages that contain the corresponding passage in each of the manuscripts in the project.  Please see details here.
> 
> 	A second project beginning in June and running for two years develops automated image-text alignment software.  The project includes a sub-award to IIT Bombay where we have just hired two post-doctoral associates.
> 
> 	The project I announce now catalogs all the Sanskrit manuscripts in the Houghton Library at Harvard University as the first phase of a larger project to catalogue, digitize and integrate them with corresponding digital texts in the Sanskrit Library.  The result serves as a model for collections of Indic materials throughout the U.S. and the world.  We are eager to cooperate with other institutions that house collections of Sanskrit manuscripts to digitize, catalogue and integrate them with corresponding texts.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Peter M. Scharf, President
> The Sanskrit Library
> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
> *************************************************
> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
> Universit? Paris Diderot
> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
> Cedex 13
> 75205 Paris
> France
> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
> *************************************************
> peter.scharf at inria.fr
> 
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Mon May 20 18:40:20 2013
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 20:40:20 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] POLYSEMY IN AIX, 4-6 June 2013
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoB6KKcjFFHdPm-rh5pg0UZCD9vSKa8nzL-bu1ckChaCCw@mail.gmail.com>

Double Entendre and Polysemy: Eastern and Western Perspectives.
Aix-en-Provence, 4-6 June 2013

For further details and updates:
http://polysemie2013.u-grenoble3.fr/

***

This International conference, organised by linguists from Aix-Marseille
University, Grenoble University (France) and Masaryk University (Brno,
Czech Republic), will take place at Aix-en-Provence (France) on 4 ? 6 June
2013.

Double entendre (or multiple meaning), more accurately polysemy in the
semiotic structures of languages, which makes it possible, is an important
issue in any theory of meaning. Indeed, it tests the validity of the sign
theory and also questions the relations between the utterance and its
referential context.

The conference aims to bring together specialists of general linguistics,
more especially semanticists, and specialists of Indian studies and
languages who will debate and express different views on this issue.

Sylvain BROCQUET, Christophe CUSIMANO, Julie SORBA

***
PROGRAMME DU COLLOQUE
***

TUESDAY 4 June 2013

Morning 9:30 - 12:30

Session 1: Chair: S. Brocquet

- Arundhati VIRMANI EHESS
pr?sentation de l'exposition "Cartographier l'histoire de l'Inde"

- (SPECIAL LECTURE) Fran?ois RASTIER, CNRS-INALCO:
La polys?mie existe-t-elle? Propositions pour des doutes constructifs.

- Nalini BALBIR, Paris 3 / EPHE-SHP:
Polys?mie: d'une langue ? l'autre en Inde ancienne.

- Jan HOUBEN, EPHE-SHP:
Bhartrhari, l'unit? de la phrase et la polys?mie des mots.

Afternoon 14:00 - 18:00

Session 2: Chair: F. Rastier

- Nami ARIMITSU, Toyo university, Tokyo:
Polysemy of positive/negative evaluations and degree intensifiers.

- Fran?ois NEMO, Universit? de Orl?ans:
Pluris?mie, int?gration s?mantique, sous-d?termination: rendre compte des
sens multiples en emploi.

- Vannina GOOSSENS, Universit? Lyon 2-ICAR :
La polys?mie r?guli?re existe-t-elle?

Session 3: Chair: J. Sorba and C. Cusimano

- Chantal RITTAUD-HUTINET, Universit? Paris 3-EA 1483: Equivoque
homophonique en fran?ais: polyvalence fortuite et ambiguit? volontaire.

- Fabienne BAIDER and Maria CONSTANTINOU, Universit? de Chypre:
La fureur de gagner, la rage de perdre.

- Alexey YAVETSKYI, Universit? de Psychologie et d'Education de Moscou:
D?composition multimodulaire dans l'?tude de la polys?mie.

WEDNESDAY 5 June 2013

Morning 9:30 - 12:30

Session 4: Chair: J.E.M. Houben

- (SPECIAL LECTURE) Georges-Jean PINAULT, EPHE?SHP : Le double sens en
?tymologie et en po?tique indo-europ?ennes.

- Charlotte SCHMID, EFEO:
Un fer de lance sanskrit en pays tamoul : Siva et son ? fils ?.

- Eva WILDEN, EFEO:
Day-to-Day Polysemy: The Use of slesa in Tamil Satellite Stanzas.

- Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD,CNRS :
Yamaka and matakku in Tamil Literature.

- Fran?ois GRIMAL, EFEO :
D?finition et classification du sle?ala?kara par Udbhatta, Mammata et
Ruyyaka.

Afternoon 14:00 - 18:00

Session 5: Chair: G.-J. PINAULT

- Julie SORBA, Universit? Grenoble-Alpes-LiDiLEM : La polys?mie comme
artefact des po?tes. Le cas de samudra dans la Rksamhita.

- Perrine ESTIENNE, CNRS : ? Mondes iranien et indien ? :
Les doubles sens dans le pan?gyrique royal : l'exemple des inscriptions des
Calukya de Vengi.

- Sylvain BROCQUET,
Universit? d?Aix-Marseille-CPAF : La fabrique du double sens dans la po?sie
sanskrite.

Session 6: chair: F. DOUAY

- Ga?tan PEGNY, Universit? Paris 10-Nanterre :
Polys?mie et ?quivoque, L'exemple du terme Dasein dans la langue
d'Heidegger.

- Alexis PINCHARD, CNRS ?Mondes iranien et indien?: Ni polys?mie ni
monos?mie: l'inqui?tante ?tranget? de l'?tre.

- Soufian AL KARJOUSLY, SUPELEC : La polys?mie et le Coran.

EVENING:

Lecture polyphonique du discours du messager dans le Sisupalavadha de Magha
(XVI, 1-15), par des ?tudiants en sanskrit de l?Universit? d?Aix-Marseille.

THURSDAY 6 June 2013

Morning 9:30 - 12:30

Session 7: Chair: N. BALBIR

- (SPECIAL LECTURE) Yigal BR?NNER, Hebrew University of Jerusalem :
Embrace Takes Center Stage: An Overview of Bitextuality in South Asia.

- Romain LORIOL, Universit? Lyon 3 : Les sens du signe : fonctions de la
polys?mie divinatoire dans le r?cit antique.

- Fran?oise DOUAY, Universit? d?Aix-Marseille-LPL :
Ni propre ni figur?, le troisi?me sens - par extension - dans la
lexicographie des Lumi?res (Dumarsais, Beauz?e, Voltaire, Turgot,
d'Alembert).

- Arezki DERRADJI, Universit? de Tizi-Ouzou (Alg?rie) :
? Forme sch?matique ? et polys?mie.

- Katarzyna WOLOWSKA, Universit? Catholique de Lublin :
La polys?mie et le sens en contexte: entre l?actuel et le virtuel.

CONCLUSION



-- 
Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben,
Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ?
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP,
A la Sorbonne,45-47, rue des Ecoles,
75005 Paris -- France.
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Mon May 20 19:09:58 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 14:09:58 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
Message-ID: <EF9B19D0-65A0-4FFC-B0A7-A8E0EE2F65EF@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

bho? pa??it??!!

I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a compound. 

For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the man if proficient.

This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?

Thanks.


Patrick




From kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de  Mon May 20 19:25:18 2013
From: kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 21:25:18 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <EF9B19D0-65A0-4FFC-B0A7-A8E0EE2F65EF@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <519A789E.4000109@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de>

Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of 
negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one 
that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's 
example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has 
wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope 
(paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think 
of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which 
interpretation is to be preferred.

@ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
   author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
   title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and 
paryud?saprati?edha},
   journal = {Lokapraj?? },
   year = {1987},
   volume = {1/1},
   pages = {81-89},
   }

With best regards,

Birgit Kellner

Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
> bho? pa??it??!!
>
> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a compound.
>
> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the man if proficient.
>
> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Patrick
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>


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Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the 
Dynamics of Transculturality"
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Mon May 20 19:46:17 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 14:46:17 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <519A789E.4000109@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de>
Message-ID: <C008F613-E104-4114-9C20-B785561AFE77@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out this study.

Patrick



On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:

> Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope (paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which interpretation is to be preferred.
> 
> @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
>  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
>  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?saprati?edha},
>  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
>  year = {1987},
>  volume = {1/1},
>  pages = {81-89},
>  }
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> Birgit Kellner
> 
> Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
>> bho? pa??it??!!
>> 
>> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a compound.
>> 
>> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the man if proficient.
>> 
>> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Patrick
>> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon May 20 21:02:35 2013
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 17:02:35 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <C008F613-E104-4114-9C20-B785561AFE77@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzc7yVobppRjL_qOcHNb=+-8X+kbKoOX0OmfQkqZm+h+Lg@mail.gmail.com>

If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give us
the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us
the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on
the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin that
I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave in
unrighteous ways.

Madhav


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>wrote:

> Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out
> this study.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:
>
> > Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of
> negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one that
> accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's example: a
> syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has wide scope
> (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope (paryud?sa) -
> "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think of indicators
> other than context that would allow to determine which interpretation is to
> be preferred.
> >
> > @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
> >  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
> >  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and
> paryud?saprati?edha},
> >  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
> >  year = {1987},
> >  volume = {1/1},
> >  pages = {81-89},
> >  }
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > Birgit Kellner
> >
> > Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
> >> bho? pa??it??!!
> >>
> >> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a
> compound.
> >>
> >> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in
> my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the
> negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi
> commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites
> Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in
> adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of
> adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the
> Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of
> evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets
> a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5
> thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal
> procedures) in which the man if proficient.
> >>
> >> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is
> there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and
> interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > --------
> > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner
> > Chair in Buddhist Studies
> > Principal Investigator
> > Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
> > Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the
> Dynamics of Transculturality"
> > University of Heidelberg
> > Karl Jaspers Centre
> > Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
> > D-69115 Heidelberg
> > P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301
> > F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012
> >
> http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/en/research/cluster-professorships/buddhist-studies.html
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > http://listinfo.indology.info
>
>
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>



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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Mon May 20 21:11:54 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 16:11:54 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzc7yVobppRjL_qOcHNb=+-8X+kbKoOX0OmfQkqZm+h+Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E827802-B90F-4664-ACC1-6B24D980D26F@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Thank you, Madhav and Birgit. I could not find Lokaprj?? in our library. Does anyone happen to have an e-version of the paper by Brendan Gillon that they can share? Thanks.

Patrick






On May 20, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Madhav Deshpande wrote:

> If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give us the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin that I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave in unrighteous ways.  
> 
> Madhav
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
> Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out this study.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:
> 
> > Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope (paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which interpretation is to be preferred.
> >
> > @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
> >  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
> >  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?saprati?edha},
> >  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
> >  year = {1987},
> >  volume = {1/1},
> >  pages = {81-89},
> >  }
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > Birgit Kellner
> >
> > Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
> >> bho? pa??it??!!
> >>
> >> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a compound.
> >>
> >> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the man if proficient.
> >>
> >> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > --------
> > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner
> > Chair in Buddhist Studies
> > Principal Investigator
> > Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
> > Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the Dynamics of Transculturality"
> > University of Heidelberg
> > Karl Jaspers Centre
> > Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
> > D-69115 Heidelberg
> > P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301
> > F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012
> > http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/en/research/cluster-professorships/buddhist-studies.html
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From sellmers at gmx.de  Mon May 20 21:13:32 2013
From: sellmers at gmx.de (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 23:13:32 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <3E827802-B90F-4664-ACC1-6B24D980D26F@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <5E34ACAD-02E5-49C8-A9F2-99CE92D8096A@gmx.de>

I would be also glad to receive it.
Many thanks in advance,
Sven

Am 20.05.2013 um 23:11 schrieb Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:

> Thank you, Madhav and Birgit. I could not find Lokaprj?? in our library. Does anyone happen to have an e-version of the paper by Brendan Gillon that they can share? Thanks.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Madhav Deshpande wrote:
> 
>> If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give us the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin that I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave in unrighteous ways.  
>> 
>> Madhav
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>> Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out this study.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:
>> 
>> > Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope (paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which interpretation is to be preferred.
>> >
>> > @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
>> >  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
>> >  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?saprati?edha},
>> >  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
>> >  year = {1987},
>> >  volume = {1/1},
>> >  pages = {81-89},
>> >  }
>> >
>> > With best regards,
>> >
>> > Birgit Kellner
>> >
>> > Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
>> >> bho? pa??it??!!
>> >>
>> >> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a compound.
>> >>
>> >> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the man if proficient.
>> >>
>> >> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > --------
>> > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner
>> > Chair in Buddhist Studies
>> > Principal Investigator
>> > Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
>> > Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the Dynamics of Transculturality"
>> > University of Heidelberg
>> > Karl Jaspers Centre
>> > Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
>> > D-69115 Heidelberg
>> > P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301
>> > F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012
>> > http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/en/research/cluster-professorships/buddhist-studies.html
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
>> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
>> The University of Michigan
>> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA
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From brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca  Mon May 20 22:54:24 2013
From: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca (Brendan S. Gillon, Prof.)
Date: Mon, 20 May 13 22:54:24 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzc7yVobppRjL_qOcHNb=+-8X+kbKoOX0OmfQkqZm+h+Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9A1F6B7A8B946488C47317AD263FE660483043F@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA>

Thanks to Birgit for referencing my article. The upshot of the article is to argue that the distinction the two forms of negation identified by the grammatical tradition corresponds to what contemporary linguists would characterize as wide and narrow scope negation. The parsing of the compound as (a-dharma)-j~na gives the privative prefix narrow scope, while the parsing as a-(dharma-j~na) gives the privative prefix wide scope.

This ambiguity is exhibited by such English compounds as `un-button-ed'. An `unbuttoned shirt' may be either a shirt which one has never buttoned or shirt which had been buttoned but someone has undone the buttoning.

Such ambiguities are typically decided by context, as Madhav pointed out.

Best wishes,

Brendan Gillon

Brendan S. Gillon                            email: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca
Department of Linguistics
McGill University                             tel.:  001 514 398 4868
1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield
Montreal, Quebec                           fax.:  001 514 398 7088
H3A 1A7  CANADA

webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Madhav Deshpande [mmdesh at umich.edu]
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:02 PM
To: Patrick Olivelle
Cc: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation

If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give us the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin that I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave in unrighteous ways.

Madhav


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu<mailto:jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>> wrote:
Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out this study.

Patrick



On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:

> Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope (paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which interpretation is to be preferred.
>
> @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
>  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
>  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?saprati?edha},
>  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
>  year = {1987},
>  volume = {1/1},
>  pages = {81-89},
>  }
>
> With best regards,
>
> Birgit Kellner
>
> Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
>> bho? pa??it??!!
>>
>> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a compound.
>>
>> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the man if proficient.
>>
>> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Patrick
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>
>
>
> --
> --------
> Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner
> Chair in Buddhist Studies
> Principal Investigator
> Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
> Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the Dynamics of Transculturality"
> University of Heidelberg
> Karl Jaspers Centre
> Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
> D-69115 Heidelberg
> P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301<tel:%2B49%280%296221%20-%2054%204301>
> F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012<tel:%2B49%280%296221%20-%2054%204012>
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 21 05:57:39 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 07:57:39 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <D9A1F6B7A8B946488C47317AD263FE660483043F@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA>
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dear All,

I too would be very curious to read this paper, especially since I had the
idea that the difference between the two forms of negation was rather that
one is implicative and the other not: there is no elephant in the room does
not imply that the elephant is waiting in the corridor, while this elephant
is not white does imply that he is another color. (Probably these are not
perfect examples, so apologies in advance for the imprecision, but I think
the point remains clear--or rather, the question!)

jonathan


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Brendan S. Gillon, Prof. <
brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca> wrote:

>  Thanks to Birgit for referencing my article. The upshot of the article
> is to argue that the distinction the two forms of negation identified by
> the grammatical tradition corresponds to what contemporary linguists would
> characterize as wide and narrow scope negation. The parsing of the compound
> as (a-dharma)-j~na gives the privative prefix narrow scope, while the
> parsing as a-(dharma-j~na) gives the privative prefix wide scope.
>
> This ambiguity is exhibited by such English compounds as `un-button-ed'.
> An `unbuttoned shirt' may be either a shirt which one has never buttoned or
> shirt which had been buttoned but someone has undone the buttoning.
>
> Such ambiguities are typically decided by context, as Madhav pointed out.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Brendan Gillon
>
>  Brendan S. Gillon                            email:
> brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca
> Department of Linguistics
> McGill University                             tel.:  001 514 398 4868
> 1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield
> Montreal, Quebec                           fax.:  001 514 398 7088
> H3A 1A7  CANADA
>
> webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of
> Madhav Deshpande [mmdesh at umich.edu]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2013 5:02 PM
> *To:* Patrick Olivelle
> *Cc:* Indology
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
>
>   If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give
> us the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us
> the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on
> the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin that
> I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave in
> unrighteous ways.
>
>  Madhav
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out
>> this study.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:
>>
>> > Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types
>> of negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one
>> that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's
>> example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has wide
>> scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope (paryud?sa)
>> - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think of indicators
>> other than context that would allow to determine which interpretation is to
>> be preferred.
>> >
>> > @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
>> >  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
>> >  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and
>> paryud?saprati?edha},
>> >  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
>> >  year = {1987},
>> >  volume = {1/1},
>> >  pages = {81-89},
>> >  }
>> >
>> > With best regards,
>> >
>> > Birgit Kellner
>> >
>> > Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
>> >> bho? pa??it??!!
>> >>
>> >> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a
>> compound.
>> >>
>> >> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in
>> my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking the
>> negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au". Medh?tithi
>> commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed. III: 287] cites
>> Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men were proficient in
>> adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the compound would consist of
>> adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of subverting justice. In the
>> Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man who, knowing that other kinds of
>> evidence is valid only for a year (I am not sure how he gets this??), gets
>> a document written with 10 thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5
>> thousand. This is the chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal
>> procedures) in which the man if proficient.
>> >>
>> >> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is
>> there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and
>> interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > --------
>> > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner
>> > Chair in Buddhist Studies
>> > Principal Investigator
>> > Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
>> > Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the
>> Dynamics of Transculturality"
>> > University of Heidelberg
>> > Karl Jaspers Centre
>> > Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
>> > D-69115 Heidelberg
>> > P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301
>> > F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012
>> >
>> http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/en/research/cluster-professorships/buddhist-studies.html
>> >
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>>
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>
>
>
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> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
> The University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA
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From malhar at iitb.ac.in  Tue May 21 07:57:57 2013
From: malhar at iitb.ac.in (Malhar Arvind Kulkarni)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 13:27:57 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <D9A1F6B7A8B946488C47317AD263FE660483043F@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA>
Message-ID: <3e9f72fcacf82536ad75db3cb58cb599.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in>

I would like to point out that the EDSHP, Deccan College, Pune has a
policy of a. recording compounds and b. showing such meaning differences
in such compounds with a cut, an ic (immediate constituent) cut. I believe
they have covered 'adha...'. I do not have the Dictionary with me as I am
travelling but surely the word and the reference, Patrick quotes, may be
referred to there.

Malhar Kulkarni.


> Thanks to Birgit for referencing my article. The upshot of the article is
> to argue that the distinction the two forms of negation identified by the
> grammatical tradition corresponds to what contemporary linguists would
> characterize as wide and narrow scope negation. The parsing of the
> compound as (a-dharma)-j~na gives the privative prefix narrow scope, while
> the parsing as a-(dharma-j~na) gives the privative prefix wide scope.
>
> This ambiguity is exhibited by such English compounds as `un-button-ed'.
> An `unbuttoned shirt' may be either a shirt which one has never buttoned
> or shirt which had been buttoned but someone has undone the buttoning.
>
> Such ambiguities are typically decided by context, as Madhav pointed out.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Brendan Gillon
>
> Brendan S. Gillon                            email:
> brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca
> Department of Linguistics
> McGill University                             tel.:  001 514 398 4868
> 1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield
> Montreal, Quebec                           fax.:  001 514 398 7088
> H3A 1A7  CANADA
>
> webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/
> ________________________________
> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Madhav
> Deshpande [mmdesh at umich.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:02 PM
> To: Patrick Olivelle
> Cc: Indology
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
>
> If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give us
> the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us
> the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on
> the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin
> that I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave
> in unrighteous ways.
>
> Madhav
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle
> <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu<mailto:jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>> wrote:
> Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out
> this study.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:
>
>> Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of
>> negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one
>> that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's
>> example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has
>> wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope
>> (paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think
>> of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which
>> interpretation is to be preferred.
>>
>> @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
>>  author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
>>  title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and
>> paryud?saprati?edha},
>>  journal = {Lokapraj?? },
>>  year = {1987},
>>  volume = {1/1},
>>  pages = {81-89},
>>  }
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Birgit Kellner
>>
>> Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
>>> bho? pa??it??!!
>>>
>>> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a
>>> compound.
>>>
>>> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in
>>> my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking
>>> the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au".
>>> Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed.
>>> III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men
>>> were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the
>>> compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of
>>> subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man
>>> who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I
>>> am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10
>>> thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the
>>> chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the
>>> man if proficient.
>>>
>>> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is
>>> there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and
>>> interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --------
>> Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner
>> Chair in Buddhist Studies
>> Principal Investigator
>> Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
>> Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the
>> Dynamics of Transculturality"
>> University of Heidelberg
>> Karl Jaspers Centre
>> Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
>> D-69115 Heidelberg
>> P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301<tel:%2B49%280%296221%20-%2054%204301>
>> F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012<tel:%2B49%280%296221%20-%2054%204012>
>> http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/en/research/cluster-professorships/buddhist-studies.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
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> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
> The University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 21 10:15:15 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 12:15:15 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4JiidL_m0-7Mzazo6fui=3a3PKwJHmiWeGN0QZ3w5K+xA@mail.gmail.com>

dear Colleagues,

I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear
attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual
debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be
whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the
Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the
origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I
know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!

Jonathan

-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Tue May 21 10:32:31 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 10:32:31 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <CAMGmO4JiidL_m0-7Mzazo6fui=3a3PKwJHmiWeGN0QZ3w5K+xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC70016DE2DD@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>



Your student should probably check out Gregory Schopen's article "Dead monks and bad debts: Some provisions of a Buddhist Monastic inheritance law" in _Buddhist Monks and Business Matters_. I don't think the buddhists who wrote the vinayas were in a position to declare a jubilee year. That would be the perogative of the king.

Other than that, I seem to recall the issue of debts only coming up in the Yajnavalkya and Katyayana smrtis, though it might be in Manu as well. I don't have them with me at the moment, but could find references if need be.

Hope this is of some help.



-j



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Jonathan Silk [kauzeya at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:15 AM
To: Indology
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt

dear Colleagues,

I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!

Jonathan

--
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
Doelensteeg 16
2311 VL Leiden
The Netherlands





From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Tue May 21 10:34:39 2013
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Franco)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 12:34:39 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC70016DE2DD@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>
Message-ID: <BE7D885C-71E5-42FD-8783-F96D50626902@uni-leipzig.de>

Dear Jonathan,
See Malamoud, Debts and Debtors. There is also a special issue of purushaartha on this topic.
Best, Eli

Sent from my iPad

On 21.05.2013, at 12:32, "Walser, Joseph" <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu> wrote:

> 
> 
> Your student should probably check out Gregory Schopen's article "Dead monks and bad debts: Some provisions of a Buddhist Monastic inheritance law" in _Buddhist Monks and Business Matters_. I don't think the buddhists who wrote the vinayas were in a position to declare a jubilee year. That would be the perogative of the king.
> 
> Other than that, I seem to recall the issue of debts only coming up in the Yajnavalkya and Katyayana smrtis, though it might be in Manu as well. I don't have them with me at the moment, but could find references if need be.
> 
> Hope this is of some help.
> 
> 
> 
> -j
> 
> 
> 
> Joseph Walser
> 
> Associate Professor
> 
> Department of Religion
> 
> Tufts University
> 
> ________________________________
> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Jonathan Silk [kauzeya at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:15 AM
> To: Indology
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
> 
> dear Colleagues,
> 
> I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
> Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> J. Silk
> Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
> Doelensteeg 16
> 2311 VL Leiden
> The Netherlands
> 
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 21 10:40:03 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 12:40:03 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <BE7D885C-71E5-42FD-8783-F96D50626902@uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4KZTAd3A3u5A5Jy_HjZvxz-SeQaXfA0zsGfOHci=+1yUg@mail.gmail.com>

thank you Eli--it seems like Malamoud's Debts and Debtors _is_ an English
version of the 4th number of Puru??rtha....


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Franco <franco at uni-leipzig.de> wrote:

> Dear Jonathan,
> See Malamoud, Debts and Debtors. There is also a special issue of
> purushaartha on this topic.
> Best, Eli
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 21.05.2013, at 12:32, "Walser, Joseph" <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Your student should probably check out Gregory Schopen's article "Dead
> monks and bad debts: Some provisions of a Buddhist Monastic inheritance
> law" in _Buddhist Monks and Business Matters_. I don't think the buddhists
> who wrote the vinayas were in a position to declare a jubilee year. That
> would be the perogative of the king.
> >
> > Other than that, I seem to recall the issue of debts only coming up in
> the Yajnavalkya and Katyayana smrtis, though it might be in Manu as well. I
> don't have them with me at the moment, but could find references if need be.
> >
> > Hope this is of some help.
> >
> >
> >
> > -j
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph Walser
> >
> > Associate Professor
> >
> > Department of Religion
> >
> > Tufts University
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of
> Jonathan Silk [kauzeya at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:15 AM
> > To: Indology
> > Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
> >
> > dear Colleagues,
> >
> > I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear
> attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual
> debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be
> whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the
> Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the
> origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I
> know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
> > Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > --
> > J. Silk
> > Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
> > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> > Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
> > Doelensteeg 16
> > 2311 VL Leiden
> > The Netherlands
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > http://listinfo.indology.info
>



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From kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de  Tue May 21 10:42:35 2013
From: kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 12:42:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <BE7D885C-71E5-42FD-8783-F96D50626902@uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <519B4F9B.9060409@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de>

There's also a section on the theology of debts in Olivelle's ??rama 
system, and, for Buddhism, there is a conceptually helpful discussion in 
Andy Rotman's "Thus Have I seen - Visualizing Faith in Early Indian 
Buddhism" (Oxford University Press 2009), in connection with pras?da 
(gift/reciprocity/debt - debt as obligation).

With best regards,

Birgit Kellner

Am 21.05.2013 12:34, schrieb Franco:
> Dear Jonathan,
> See Malamoud, Debts and Debtors. There is also a special issue of purushaartha on this topic.
> Best, Eli
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 21.05.2013, at 12:32, "Walser, Joseph" <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Your student should probably check out Gregory Schopen's article "Dead monks and bad debts: Some provisions of a Buddhist Monastic inheritance law" in _Buddhist Monks and Business Matters_. I don't think the buddhists who wrote the vinayas were in a position to declare a jubilee year. That would be the perogative of the king.
>>
>> Other than that, I seem to recall the issue of debts only coming up in the Yajnavalkya and Katyayana smrtis, though it might be in Manu as well. I don't have them with me at the moment, but could find references if need be.
>>
>> Hope this is of some help.
>>
>>
>>
>> -j
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph Walser
>>
>> Associate Professor
>>
>> Department of Religion
>>
>> Tufts University
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Jonathan Silk [kauzeya at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:15 AM
>> To: Indology
>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
>>
>> dear Colleagues,
>>
>> I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
>> Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> --
>> J. Silk
>> Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
>> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
>> Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
>> Doelensteeg 16
>> 2311 VL Leiden
>> The Netherlands
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>
> _______________________________________________
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> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>


-- 
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Chair in Buddhist Studies
Principal Investigator
Deputy Speaker Research Area D "Historicities and Heritage"
Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context - - the 
Dynamics of Transculturality"
University of Heidelberg
Karl Jaspers Centre
Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400
D-69115 Heidelberg
P: +49(0)6221 - 54 4301
F: +49(0)6221 - 54 4012
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 21 10:49:06 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 12:49:06 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <519B4F9B.9060409@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4JZODae8iEsYW2Vz38ou+rBLwH6Mruv-OPQS_43EEZ8WA@mail.gmail.com>

is ti possible that anyone has a pdf of Malamoud's paper in English (not
the whole volume, although if you have it...)? A review of the volume I was
able to read online suggests that for the purposes I need this chapter is
best (and the person who asked me the question doesn't read French, and
frankly, since it already exists in English, I don't feel like translating
it again myself!)  thanks!!


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Birgit Kellner <
kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:

> There's also a section on the theology of debts in Olivelle's ??rama
> system, and, for Buddhism, there is a conceptually helpful discussion in
> Andy Rotman's "Thus Have I seen - Visualizing Faith in Early Indian
> Buddhism" (Oxford University Press 2009), in connection with pras?da
> (gift/reciprocity/debt - debt as obligation).
>
> With best regards,
>
> Birgit Kellner
>
> Am 21.05.2013 12:34, schrieb Franco:
>
>  Dear Jonathan,
>> See Malamoud, Debts and Debtors. There is also a special issue of
>> purushaartha on this topic.
>> Best, Eli
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 21.05.2013, at 12:32, "Walser, Joseph" <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Your student should probably check out Gregory Schopen's article "Dead
>>> monks and bad debts: Some provisions of a Buddhist Monastic inheritance
>>> law" in _Buddhist Monks and Business Matters_. I don't think the buddhists
>>> who wrote the vinayas were in a position to declare a jubilee year. That
>>> would be the perogative of the king.
>>>
>>> Other than that, I seem to recall the issue of debts only coming up in
>>> the Yajnavalkya and Katyayana smrtis, though it might be in Manu as well. I
>>> don't have them with me at the moment, but could find references if need be.
>>>
>>> Hope this is of some help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -j
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Walser
>>>
>>> Associate Professor
>>>
>>> Department of Religion
>>>
>>> Tufts University
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__
>>> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.**indology.info<indology-bounces at list.indology.info>]
>>> on behalf of Jonathan Silk [kauzeya at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:15 AM
>>> To: Indology
>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
>>>
>>> dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear
>>> attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual
>>> debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be
>>> whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the
>>> Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the
>>> origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I
>>> know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
>>> Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Silk
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Tue May 21 13:12:00 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 08:12:00 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
In-Reply-To: <3e9f72fcacf82536ad75db3cb58cb599.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in>
Message-ID: <87CD3A24-907F-47B9-8F9A-80895B7776BC@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Yes, indeed, the Pune dictionary cites adharmaj?a (Manu 8.59), but only as one who does not know dharma. The only example of "one who knows adharma" is, obviously, in the compound dharm?dharmaj?a. But the dictionary does make the useful distinction in the Roman transliteration:

a-dharmaj?a and adharma-j?a.
a-dharmacary? and adharma-cara?a, etc.

Patrick



On May 21, 2013, at 2:57 AM, Malhar Arvind Kulkarni wrote:

> I would like to point out that the EDSHP, Deccan College, Pune has a
> policy of a. recording compounds and b. showing such meaning differences
> in such compounds with a cut, an ic (immediate constituent) cut. I believe
> they have covered 'adha...'. I do not have the Dictionary with me as I am
> travelling but surely the word and the reference, Patrick quotes, may be
> referred to there.
> 
> Malhar Kulkarni.
> 
> 
>> Thanks to Birgit for referencing my article. The upshot of the article is
>> to argue that the distinction the two forms of negation identified by the
>> grammatical tradition corresponds to what contemporary linguists would
>> characterize as wide and narrow scope negation. The parsing of the
>> compound as (a-dharma)-j~na gives the privative prefix narrow scope, while
>> the parsing as a-(dharma-j~na) gives the privative prefix wide scope.
>> 
>> This ambiguity is exhibited by such English compounds as `un-button-ed'.
>> An `unbuttoned shirt' may be either a shirt which one has never buttoned
>> or shirt which had been buttoned but someone has undone the buttoning.
>> 
>> Such ambiguities are typically decided by context, as Madhav pointed out.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Brendan Gillon
>> 
>> Brendan S. Gillon                            email:
>> brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca
>> Department of Linguistics
>> McGill University                             tel.:  001 514 398 4868
>> 1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield
>> Montreal, Quebec                           fax.:  001 514 398 7088
>> H3A 1A7  CANADA
>> 
>> webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/
>> ________________________________
>> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Madhav
>> Deshpande [mmdesh at umich.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:02 PM
>> To: Patrick Olivelle
>> Cc: Indology
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Query on negation
>> 
>> If we are dealing with accented Sanskrit, then adharma+j?a would give us
>> the ud?tta accent on the final syllable, while a+dharmaj?a would give us
>> the initial ud?tta.  But in Sanskrit without accents, we have to rely on
>> the context to make this distinction.  A good case may be adharmac?rin
>> that I have seen in a few places, where it indeed means those who behave
>> in unrighteous ways.
>> 
>> Madhav
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Olivelle
>> <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu<mailto:jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>> wrote:
>> Thank you very much, Birgit. This is very illuminating. I will check out
>> this study.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Birgit Kellner wrote:
>> 
>>> Brendan Gillon once argued that the distinction between the two types of
>>> negation called prasajyaprati?edha and paryud?sa is precisely the one
>>> that accounts for the different interpretations in Patrick Olivelle's
>>> example: a syntactic difference in terms of whether the negation has
>>> wide scope (prasajyap.) - "not knowing the dharma" - or narrow scope
>>> (paryud?sa) - "knowing something that is not dharma". But I can't think
>>> of indicators other than context that would allow to determine which
>>> interpretation is to be preferred.
>>> 
>>> @ARTICLE{Gillon_Brendan_1987,
>>> author = {Gillon, Brendan S.},
>>> title = {Two Forms of Negation in Sanskrit: prasajyaprati?edha and
>>> paryud?saprati?edha},
>>> journal = {Lokapraj?? },
>>> year = {1987},
>>> volume = {1/1},
>>> pages = {81-89},
>>> }
>>> 
>>> With best regards,
>>> 
>>> Birgit Kellner
>>> 
>>> Am 20.05.2013 21:09, schrieb Patrick Olivelle:
>>>> bho? pa??it??!!
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question regarding a negative prefix "a" when used in a
>>>> compound.
>>>> 
>>>> For example, at Manu 8.59 we have the compound "adharmaj?au", which in
>>>> my translation I have rendered as "two men ignorant of the Law" taking
>>>> the negative prefix to apply to the whole compound "dharmaj?au".
>>>> Medh?tithi commenting on this verse (and the Sm?ticandrik? [Mysore ed.
>>>> III: 287] cites Medh approvingly) appears to think that these two men
>>>> were proficient in adharma, that is, in subterfuge (chala). Then the
>>>> compound would consist of adharma and j?a -- adharma being here ways of
>>>> subverting justice. In the Sm?ticandrik? the example given is a man
>>>> who, knowing that other kinds of evidence is valid only for a year (I
>>>> am not sure how he gets this??), gets a document written with 10
>>>> thousand pa?as, when it should have been just 5 thousand. This is the
>>>> chala or adharma (ways of getting around legal procedures) in which the
>>>> man if proficient.
>>>> 
>>>> This sort of ambiguity must occur also in other similar compounds. Is
>>>> there a way to detect that? Or is it just a matter of context and
>>>> interpretation. Have the grammarians talked about this?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick
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>>> 
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>>> Dynamics of Transculturality"
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Tue May 21 13:25:43 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 08:25:43 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <CAMGmO4JiidL_m0-7Mzazo6fui=3a3PKwJHmiWeGN0QZ3w5K+xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E71645-04A2-46AC-BF88-0B0118EEEE17@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Jonathan:

Debt (???d?na) is the first of the so-called Title of Law (vyavah?rapada) -- found in Kau?ilya's Artha??stra and Manu -- this is taken as the standard (prak?ti) legal dispute, and it is within this subject that most early authors (Manu, Y?j?avalkya) present legal procedure (evidence etc.). So debt was a BIG DEAL in Indian thought, and it is from this that the theology of innate debts (Taittir?ya Sa?hit? etc.) arose. But I do not see anywhere a concept of forgiving debts -- such as Jubilee. The only comparable thing is the rule that the interest cannot be reach a level more than the original sum: thus what is ever payable is double what was borrowed. Once the interest reaches that level, the principal ceases to accrue interest. There are ways around this, but that is a whole other story.

Best,

Patrick




On May 21, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote:

> dear Colleagues,
> 
> I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
> Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> -- 
> J. Silk
> Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
> Doelensteeg 16
> 2311 VL Leiden
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From drdavis at wisc.edu  Tue May 21 14:16:18 2013
From: drdavis at wisc.edu (Donald R Davis Jr)
Date: Tue, 21 May 13 09:16:18 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
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From antonio.jardim at gmail.com  Wed May 22 01:57:48 2013
From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 11:57:48 +1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
In-Reply-To: <519B81B2.50606@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGDOqfoj34t3LymVH9abj3eg=2+Lzv+GXsd+W-cdZCC+DJxgLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professor Silk,

Another useful work on debt is Prof HARA Minoru's article in "Langue,
Style et Structure dans le Monde Indien. Centenaire de Louis Renou." -
?d. N. Balbir & G-J Pinault. Paris:BEHE (1996) simply entitled:
?AnR.N.ya" pp.235?261.

Kind regards,
Antonio Ferreira-Jardim

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Donald R Davis Jr <drdavis at wisc.edu> wrote:
> Dear Jonathan,
>
> Charles Malamoud's classic articles on debt also appear in his Cooking the
> World (Oxford, 1996). I will send the "Theology of Debt" piece to you.  For
> the Dharmasastra view, as always, one should begin with Kane, History of
> Dharmasastra, Vol. 3, pp.411ff.  The most thorough Indological treatment of
> debt, however, is Heramba Chatterjee Sastri, The Law of Debt in Ancient
> India (1971).  For what it's worth, I have a chapter on debt in the Spirit
> of Hindu Law (Cambridge, 2010).  Finally, I can't help but mention David
> Graeber's sprawling and wonderfully provocative Debt: A History of the First
> 5,000 Years, which includes ruminations on debt in ancient and medieval
> India.  In all of this, I, like Patrick, have not seen a general forgiveness
> of debt as an act of state or other authority.
>
> Best, Don
>
> On 5/21/2013 8:25 AM, Patrick Olivelle wrote:
>
> Jonathan:
>
> Debt (???d?na) is the first of the so-called Title of Law (vyavah?rapada) --
> found in Kau?ilya's Artha??stra and Manu -- this is taken as the standard
> (prak?ti) legal dispute, and it is within this subject that most early
> authors (Manu, Y?j?avalkya) present legal procedure (evidence etc.). So debt
> was a BIG DEAL in Indian thought, and it is from this that the theology of
> innate debts (Taittir?ya Sa?hit? etc.) arose. But I do not see anywhere a
> concept of forgiving debts -- such as Jubilee. The only comparable thing is
> the rule that the interest cannot be reach a level more than the original
> sum: thus what is ever payable is double what was borrowed. Once the
> interest reaches that level, the principal ceases to accrue interest. There
> are ways around this, but that is a whole other story.
>
> Best,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote:
>
> dear Colleagues,
>
> I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear
> attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual
> debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be
> whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the
> Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the
> origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I
> know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
> Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> J. Silk
> Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
> Doelensteeg 16
> 2311 VL Leiden
> The Netherlands
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>
>
>
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Wed May 22 20:43:06 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 15:43:06 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query
Message-ID: <FEE12469-4607-4540-9746-46F420E7B0E0@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

A colleague who is not a member of Indology asked me to post this. Does anyone know of work done on the term "mata" -- as view, ideology, philosophy, religion (often used this was in 19th century Indian writing). Perhaps you all know a word study on this ubiquitous term. Thanks.

Patrick




From hr at ivs.edu  Wed May 22 21:04:50 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 14:04:50 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
Message-ID: <9EEAE0DB-63E9-4546-B397-94FDCFF18F9F@ivs.edu>

Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA or mAtAji?

Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows: 

mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH

"A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."
 
Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."

Any help with this is sincerely appreciated.

Best,
Howard Resnick




From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Wed May 22 21:27:30 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 16:27:30 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <9EEAE0DB-63E9-4546-B397-94FDCFF18F9F@ivs.edu>
Message-ID: <E38C4872-73B0-49FC-BF1B-A9885113E659@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

I have seen and translated this or similar verse, but cannot put my finger on it. The issue, however, is NOT about speaking about about "seeing"  -- that is regarding. In the verse I have seen the locatives are given as accusatives: m?t?vat parad?ra? ca etc. Also the last p?da, as I remember it runs: ya? pa?yati sa pa?yati -- one who sees (this way), truly sees.

Patrick



On May 22, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Howard Resnick wrote:

> Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA or mAtAji?
> 
> Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows: 
> 
> mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH
> 
> "A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."
> 
> Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."
> 
> Any help with this is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> Howard Resnick
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From hr at ivs.edu  Wed May 22 22:04:09 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 15:04:09 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <E38C4872-73B0-49FC-BF1B-A9885113E659@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <D020117A-B90B-4BA0-BC5E-7390266F2843@ivs.edu>

Thank you for this information. I may not have given the best variant of the text. 
Clearly, as you point out, this statement is literally describing "correct" seeing, rather than mandating a term of address.
That being the case, do we know why and when statements like this were deployed to justify 'mata/mataji' as the appropriate way to address (and think about) a lady, or even a girl in many cases. I wonder if anyone noticed or remarked that this custom was apparently at variance with forms of address found in influential shastras, such as itihasa-purana. 

Howard


On May 22, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:

> I have seen and translated this or similar verse, but cannot put my finger on it. The issue, however, is NOT about speaking about about "seeing"  -- that is regarding. In the verse I have seen the locatives are given as accusatives: m?t?vat parad?ra? ca etc. Also the last p?da, as I remember it runs: ya? pa?yati sa pa?yati -- one who sees (this way), truly sees.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Howard Resnick wrote:
> 
>> Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA or mAtAji?
>> 
>> Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows: 
>> 
>> mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH
>> 
>> "A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."
>> 
>> Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."
>> 
>> Any help with this is sincerely appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Howard Resnick
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 






From hr at ivs.edu  Wed May 22 22:16:09 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 15:16:09 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <E38C4872-73B0-49FC-BF1B-A9885113E659@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <956CCEC9-2BA4-4EA4-A751-C71374DF3A60@ivs.edu>

I will add that even CANakya's statement, that "one who sees other's wives as mother, truly sees," seems rather "innovative" in comparison with itihasa-purana customs.

Howard

On May 22, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:

> I have seen and translated this or similar verse, but cannot put my finger on it. The issue, however, is NOT about speaking about about "seeing"  -- that is regarding. In the verse I have seen the locatives are given as accusatives: m?t?vat parad?ra? ca etc. Also the last p?da, as I remember it runs: ya? pa?yati sa pa?yati -- one who sees (this way), truly sees.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Howard Resnick wrote:
> 
>> Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA or mAtAji?
>> 
>> Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows: 
>> 
>> mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH
>> 
>> "A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."
>> 
>> Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."
>> 
>> Any help with this is sincerely appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Howard Resnick
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Wed May 22 22:30:23 2013
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 22:30:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <D020117A-B90B-4BA0-BC5E-7390266F2843@ivs.edu>
Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED07AFFD7@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu>

Is there really such a generalized "Hindu custom"? My impression is that in many regions other
familial relations are often used as terms of address to women who are not relatives:
(older or younger) sister, aunt, even, in some contexts, daughter. And sometimes mother
seems to be used to address women who are in fact mothers. Might the usage in this case not
stem from the shortening of formulae meaning "mother of so and so"? But see too what MW says sub "amb?".

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

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From hr at ivs.edu  Thu May 23 01:19:45 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 18:19:45 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <076501ce573b$e5922410$b0b66c30$@spro.net>
Message-ID: <C661ED78-7C62-4EA6-B58D-21FCA570CDF7@ivs.edu>

Thanks. The use of mother-terms is fairly widespread in Hinduism.

On May 22, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Jo <ugg-5 at spro.net> wrote:

> Well, if anyone would like contemporary usage, in Bengal girls are addressed by their fathers as Ma. At least they were last time I was there.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info] On Behalf Of Howard Resnick
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:04 PM
> To: Patrick Olivelle
> Cc: Indology List
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
> 
> Thank you for this information. I may not have given the best variant of the text. 
> Clearly, as you point out, this statement is literally describing "correct" seeing, rather than mandating a term of address.
> That being the case, do we know why and when statements like this were deployed to justify 'mata/mataji' as the appropriate way to address (and think about) a lady, or even a girl in many cases. I wonder if anyone noticed or remarked that this custom was apparently at variance with forms of address found in influential shastras, such as itihasa-purana. 
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
> 
>> I have seen and translated this or similar verse, but cannot put my finger on it. The issue, however, is NOT about speaking about about "seeing"  -- that is regarding. In the verse I have seen the locatives are given as accusatives: m?t?vat parad?ra? ca etc. Also the last p?da, as I remember it runs: ya? pa?yati sa pa?yati -- one who sees (this way), truly sees.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Howard Resnick wrote:
>> 
>>> Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA or mAtAji?
>>> 
>>> Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows: 
>>> 
>>> mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH
>>> 
>>> "A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."
>>> 
>>> Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."
>>> 
>>> Any help with this is sincerely appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Howard Resnick
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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Thu May 23 01:51:15 2013
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Wed, 22 May 13 18:51:15 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query re mata
In-Reply-To: <FEE12469-4607-4540-9746-46F420E7B0E0@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
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See Halbfass, India and Europe p. 265 etc. 


On 2013-05-22, at 1:43 PM, Patrick Olivelle wrote:

Does anyone know of work done on the term "mata" -- as view, ideology, philosophy, religion (often used this was in 19th century Indian writing). Perhaps you all know a word study on this ubiquitous term. 






From kiepue at t-online.de  Thu May 23 07:09:31 2013
From: kiepue at t-online.de (=?utf-8?Q?petra_kieffer-p=C3=BClz?=)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 09:09:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query re mata
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Message-ID: <B8DF659E-2959-4B9E-80A3-9A1CC7FBBBDE@t-online.de>

I do not know a word study, but mata nt. in the sense "opinion" is used several times in P?li (noted also in Childers s.v. mato, with references exclusively  from the Mah?va?sa) in the Samantap?s?dik? (Sp II 413,1), in Vajirabuddhi|s Anuga??hipada (6th-10th cent. AD; Vjb 157,5; 242,22), and  in the Vajirabuddhi??k? (10th cent.; Vjb 307,13), in V?cissara's S?m?la?k?rasa?gaha (13th cent. AD; Vss. 25, 95, 96, 97), and in Chapa?a Saddhammajotip?la's S?m?la?k?rasa?gahava??an? (15th cent. AD), in the commentary on vss. 23, 24, 25, 26, 43, , 47, 76, 78, 79, 80, 95, 96, 97). 

Petra Kieffer-Puelz


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Am 23.05.2013 um 03:51 schrieb Ashok Aklujkar:

> See Halbfass, India and Europe p. 265 etc. 
> 
> 
> On 2013-05-22, at 1:43 PM, Patrick Olivelle wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of work done on the term "mata" -- as view, ideology, philosophy, religion (often used this was in 19th century Indian writing). Perhaps you all know a word study on this ubiquitous term. 
> 
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From michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de  Thu May 23 10:38:49 2013
From: michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Michaels, Axel)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 12:38:49 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] debt
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Dear Jonathan,

here two more titles on debt:


Chatterjee ??stri, Heramba. 1971. The Law of Debt in Ancient India. Calcutta, Sanskrit College Calcutta. (Calcutta Sanskrit College Research Series, LXXV)

Derrett, J. Duncan M. 1962. The Development of the Concept of Property in India c. A.D. 800-1800. Zeitschrift f?r vergleichende Rechtswissenschaft 64 ,15-130, elaborating on the RNadAnavidhi chapter in the 14th cent. VivAdaratnAkara


Best wishes, Axel

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From: Antonio Ferreira-Jardim <antonio.jardim at gmail.com<mailto:antonio.jardim at gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:57 AM
To: <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] debt

Dear Professor Silk,

Another useful work on debt is Prof HARA Minoru's article in "Langue,
Style et Structure dans le Monde Indien. Centenaire de Louis Renou." -
?d. N. Balbir & G-J Pinault. Paris:BEHE (1996) simply entitled:
?AnR.N.ya" pp.235?261.

Kind regards,
Antonio Ferreira-Jardim

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Donald R Davis Jr <drdavis at wisc.edu<mailto:drdavis at wisc.edu>> wrote:
Dear Jonathan,

Charles Malamoud's classic articles on debt also appear in his Cooking the
World (Oxford, 1996). I will send the "Theology of Debt" piece to you.  For
the Dharmasastra view, as always, one should begin with Kane, History of
Dharmasastra, Vol. 3, pp.411ff.  The most thorough Indological treatment of
debt, however, is Heramba Chatterjee Sastri, The Law of Debt in Ancient
India (1971).  For what it's worth, I have a chapter on debt in the Spirit
of Hindu Law (Cambridge, 2010).  Finally, I can't help but mention David
Graeber's sprawling and wonderfully provocative Debt: A History of the First
5,000 Years, which includes ruminations on debt in ancient and medieval
India.  In all of this, I, like Patrick, have not seen a general forgiveness
of debt as an act of state or other authority.

Best, Don

On 5/21/2013 8:25 AM, Patrick Olivelle wrote:

Jonathan:

Debt (???d?na) is the first of the so-called Title of Law (vyavah?rapada) --
found in Kau?ilya's Artha??stra and Manu -- this is taken as the standard
(prak?ti) legal dispute, and it is within this subject that most early
authors (Manu, Y?j?avalkya) present legal procedure (evidence etc.). So debt
was a BIG DEAL in Indian thought, and it is from this that the theology of
innate debts (Taittir?ya Sa?hit? etc.) arose. But I do not see anywhere a
concept of forgiving debts -- such as Jubilee. The only comparable thing is
the rule that the interest cannot be reach a level more than the original
sum: thus what is ever payable is double what was borrowed. Once the
interest reaches that level, the principal ceases to accrue interest. There
are ways around this, but that is a whole other story.

Best,

Patrick




On May 21, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote:

dear Colleagues,

I've been asked whether (tout court) Buddhism or Hinduism have any clear
attitudes toward debt. I understand the question not to refer to spiritual
debt, but to monetary debt, and the origins of the questions to probably be
whether we find things comparable to the idea of the Jubilee, or the
Biblical necessity to release Hebrew slaves after 7 years of service (the
origin of the Sabbatical, by the way!), and the like (at least as far as I
know, there is no such provision in pre-modern India for manumission).
Any advice would be most welcome, thanks!

Jonathan

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From somadevah at mac.com  Thu May 23 11:01:16 2013
From: somadevah at mac.com (SOMDEV VASUDEVA)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 20:01:16 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
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It is probably worth noting that the N??ya??stra?s chapter 19.21?29, which lists stereotypically acceptable terms of address for women, does not include m?t?. It does include amb?, but only to address an elderly lady (v?ddh?).

Best 
Somadeva Vasudeva 


On May 23, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at IVS.EDU> wrote:

> Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA or mAtAji?






From kauzeya at gmail.com  Thu May 23 11:14:50 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 13:14:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <2B37A72C-674B-48BE-AF1D-FEEBFD46689C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4Ksk5eS3pCAYNquJ=puEU-jXaLG7djqaWJmKLgNc00GEA@mail.gmail.com>

I find an old note that

Karve 1943-1944: 71 has remarked on the uses of *m?t?* and *amb?* for both
natural mother and step-mother in the *Mah?bh?rata*

Karve, Irawati. 1943-1944. ?Kinship Terms and the Family Organization as
Found in the Critical Edition of the Mah?bh?rata.? *Bulletin of the Deccan
College Research Institute* 5: 61-148..





On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:01 PM, SOMDEV VASUDEVA <somadevah at mac.com> wrote:

> It is probably worth noting that the N??ya??stra?s chapter 19.21?29, which
> lists stereotypically acceptable terms of address for women, does not
> include m?t?. It does include amb?, but only to address an elderly lady
> (v?ddh?).
>
> Best
> Somadeva Vasudeva
>
>
> On May 23, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at IVS.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as  mAtA
> or mAtAji?
>
>
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Thu May 23 11:33:45 2013
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 11:33:45 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
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This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.

Two questions:

Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?

Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be 
considered 'Hindu' usage?

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago





From hr at ivs.edu  Thu May 23 13:31:51 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 06:31:51 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED07B0150@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <64807FD9-4C9E-4522-BC34-21BFC5EA69B9@ivs.edu>

Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.'  Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian? 
	Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information. 

Howard


On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:

> This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
> Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?
> 
> Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be 
> considered 'Hindu' usage?
> 
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
> 
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> 
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From suresh.kolichala at gmail.com  Thu May 23 13:58:12 2013
From: suresh.kolichala at gmail.com (Suresh Kolichala)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 09:58:12 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <64807FD9-4C9E-4522-BC34-21BFC5EA69B9@ivs.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOXgvip6gcBptaZsQhWsLeAAJW639+A4qgmgaeQUJkXE2=bJTw@mail.gmail.com>

This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as
'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is
also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters
endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.

Suresh.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:

> Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali]
> Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and
> teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.'  Are they merely
> propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is
> the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>         Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>
> Howard
>
>
> On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU>
> wrote:
>
> > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their
> daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
> > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among
> Muslims as well?
> >
> > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of
> whether or not this should be
> > considered 'Hindu' usage?
> >
> > Matthew Kapstein
> > Directeur d'?tudes,
> > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
> >
> > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> > The University of Chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > http://listinfo.indology.info
> >
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From hr at ivs.edu  Thu May 23 14:16:08 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 07:16:08 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <CAOXgvip6gcBptaZsQhWsLeAAJW639+A4qgmgaeQUJkXE2=bJTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2B28E69-D598-4C2F-AE59-84EFF4DAD7C6@ivs.edu>

Thank you, Suresh. In saying that the custom is pan-South Asian, may we assume this includes Muslims? Jains? Indian Christians? Others? 
Thanks again,
Howard

On May 23, 2013, at 6:58 AM, Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com> wrote:

> This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.
> 
> Suresh.
> 
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
> Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.'  Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>         Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:
> 
> > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
> > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?
> >
> > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be
> > considered 'Hindu' usage?
> >
> > Matthew Kapstein
> > Directeur d'?tudes,
> > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
> >
> > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> > The University of Chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > http://listinfo.indology.info
> >
> >
> 
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From h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx  Thu May 23 15:00:04 2013
From: h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 08:00:04 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <C2B28E69-D598-4C2F-AE59-84EFF4DAD7C6@ivs.edu>
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Here, Dr. Resnick arise a very important point: let me try to help below:"Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as? mAtA or?mAtAji?
Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows:?

mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH

"A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."

Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."In my sincere attempt to investigate the actual age of the Bhagavata tradition I can ?find as a possible ??intertextuality?source of this ?Canakya verse, the follow Bhagavatam sloka, that tends to show the social use of "mother" word ?in the puranic tradition.(See Arganis, (2001) Rescantado el Srimada Bhagavatam de las obras de Chankya. Consejo Editorial del Estado. Saltillo, Coah. M?xico. p. 66)??r?mad Bh?gavatam?4.16.17m?tr?-bhaktih??para-str?s?upatny?m?ardha?iv?tmanah?praj?su?pitr?vat?snigdhah?ki?karo?brahma-v?din?mSYNONYMSm?tr?-bhaktih????as?respectful?as?one is?to?his mother;?para-str?s?u???to?other women;?patny?m??to?his own wife;?ardhah??? half;?iva?? like;??tmanah??? of his body;?praj?su?? unto the citizens;pitr?-vat??
 like?a?father;?snigdhah??? affectionate;?ki?karah??? servant;?brahma-v?din?m?? of the devotees who preach the glories of the Lord.TRANSLATIONThe King will respect all women as if they were his own mother, and he will treat his own wife as the other half of his body. He will be just like an affectionate father to his citizens, and he will treat himself as the most obedient servant of the devotees, who always preach the glories of the Lord.Regards
Dr. Horacio Francisco Arganis Ju?rez
Lic. M.A. Ph. D. Catedr?tico Investigador de la Universidad

Internacional Euroamericana.

Departamento de Filosof?a y Religi?n Comparada.

www.uie.edu.es

--- El jue 23-may-13, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> escribi?:

De: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
Asunto: Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
A: "Suresh Kolichala" <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
Cc: "Indology List" <indology at list.indology.info>
Fecha: jueves, 23 de mayo de 2013, 14:16

Thank you, Suresh. In saying that the custom is pan-South Asian, may we assume this includes Muslims? Jains? Indian Christians? Others??Thanks again,Howard

On May 23, 2013, at 6:58 AM, Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com> wrote:
This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.

Suresh.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:

Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.' ?Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?


? ? ? ? Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.



Howard





On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:



> This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.

>

> Two questions:

>

> Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?

> Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?

>

> Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be

> considered 'Hindu' usage?

>

> Matthew Kapstein

> Directeur d'?tudes,

> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

>

> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,

> The University of Chicago

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu May 23 15:11:25 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 17:11:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Balrampur
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CckXB8USDMc9=QyOnCZg+OxYaqhuW8ZwR9dU0Y++c37Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Has anyone been to Balrampur <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balrampur> in
UP?  I am interested in possible Sanskrit MS collections there.  There's a
famous list of manuscripts made in about 1880 by Rajarama Shastri of the
2744 manuscripts belonging formerly to Pandit Radhakrishna of Lahore.
Aufrecht's "*R?dh*."  There's some
evidence<http://www.istb.univie.ac.at/nyaya/materials/45>that these
manuscripts may have moved to the Maharaja's collection in
Balrampur.

Can anyone throw any light on Balrampur, from personal experience?

Does anyone have a connection to the present Maharaja, who is, I believe,
Maharaja Dharmendra Pratap Singh?

Many thanks,
Dominik


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From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Thu May 23 16:53:08 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Fri, 24 May 13 00:53:08 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
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Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh batchmate 
asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or girls of their 
daughter's age 'Ma!' 
Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an 
honour as well as sign of responsibility of protection. This is 
characteristic of Bengali Muslims too. I have pleasant experience of 
that. Long ago travelling for a night in the Madras Mail I got an 
'Instant ticket'. An 'Instant ticket' at that time assured entry without
 the guarantee of a berth. A Muslim gentleman watched us checking from 
berth to berth and at last assured my daughter on his own, 'For mother 
there will be no problem of a berth'. To me he said, 'Why! Your daughter
 is not my daughter?' 
There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman was captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.' That guaranteed protection. 
Best 
DB 



________________________________
 From: Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
To: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> 
Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info> 
Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
 


This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.

Suresh.


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:

Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.' ?Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>? ? ? ? Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>
>Howard
>
>
>
>On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:
>
>> This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
>> Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?
>>
>> Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be
>> considered 'Hindu' usage?
>>
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'?tudes,
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>>
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From rsalomon at u.washington.edu  Thu May 23 17:12:02 2013
From: rsalomon at u.washington.edu (Richard Salomon)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 10:12:02 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <1369327988.49029.YahooMailNeo@web193505.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <519E4DE2.3010100@u.washington.edu>

On the other hand, this usage is not /exclusively /South Asian. For 
instance, in Yiddish a little girl is referred to/addressed as "mamele" 
= "little mother." I would imagine there are (many?) other such 
casesfrom other languages/cultures.

Rich Salomon

On 5/23/2013 9:53 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:
> Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh batchmate 
> asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or girls of their 
> daughter's age 'Ma!'
> Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an honour as well as sign of 
> responsibility of protection. This is characteristic of Bengali 
> Muslims too. I have pleasant experience of that. Long ago travelling 
> for a night in the Madras Mail I got an 'Instant ticket'. An 'Instant 
> ticket' at that time assured entry without the guarantee of a berth. A 
> Muslim gentleman watched us checking from berth to berth and at last 
> assured my daughter on his own, 'For mother there will be no problem 
> of a berth'. To me he said, 'Why! Your daughter is not my daughter?'
> There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman was 
> captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
> 'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.' That 
> guaranteed protection.
> Best
> DB
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
> *To:* Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
> *Cc:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
>
> This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women 
> as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. 
> It is also common across linguistic families to address sons and 
> daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.
>
> Suresh.
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu 
> <mailto:hr at ivs.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya
>     [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world,
>     typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as
>     'mother.'  Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or
>     does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree,
>     pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>             Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>
>     Howard
>
>
>     On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein
>     <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU <mailto:mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU>> wrote:
>
>     > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even
>     their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
>     >
>     > Two questions:
>     >
>     > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
>     > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current
>     among Muslims as well?
>     >
>     > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue
>     of whether or not this should be
>     > considered 'Hindu' usage?
>     >
>     > Matthew Kapstein
>     > Directeur d'?tudes,
>     > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>     >
>     > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>     > The University of Chicago
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From andrew.ollett at gmail.com  Thu May 23 17:30:23 2013
From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 19:30:23 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <519E4DE2.3010100@u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <CAANHO14WyWJT37817fxOntQ9LavGwYjzBMMPWEpHM3No-t6iEA@mail.gmail.com>

calling a younger person "mama" or "papa" is very common in latin american
communities, at least in new york.

prakrit m?mi (whatever its connection to hindi m?m?/m?m?) is taught by
hemacandra (8.2.195 m?mi hal? hale sakhy? v?) as a term of address for a
female friend.


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Richard Salomon
<rsalomon at u.washington.edu>wrote:

>  On the other hand, this usage is not *exclusively *South Asian. For
> instance, in Yiddish a little girl is referred to/addressed as "mamele" =
> "little mother." I would imagine there are (many?) other such cases from
> other languages/cultures.
>
> Rich Salomon
>
>  On 5/23/2013 9:53 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh batchmate
> asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or girls of their
> daughter's age 'Ma!'
> Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an honour as well as sign of
> responsibility of protection. This is characteristic of Bengali Muslims
> too. I have pleasant experience of that. Long ago travelling for a night in
> the Madras Mail I got an 'Instant ticket'. An 'Instant ticket' at that time
> assured entry without the guarantee of a berth. A Muslim gentleman watched
> us checking from berth to berth and at last assured my daughter on his own,
> 'For mother there will be no problem of a berth'. To me he said, 'Why! Your
> daughter is not my daughter?'
> There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman was
> captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
> 'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.' That
> guaranteed protection.
> Best
> DB
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com><suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
> *To:* Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> <hr at ivs.edu>
> *Cc:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info><indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
>
> This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as
> 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is
> also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters
> endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.
>
>  Suresh.
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali]
> Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and
> teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.'  Are they merely
> propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is
> the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>         Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>
> Howard
>
>
> On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU>
> wrote:
>
> > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their
> daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
> > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among
> Muslims as well?
> >
> > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of
> whether or not this should be
> > considered 'Hindu' usage?
> >
> > Matthew Kapstein
> > Directeur d'?tudes,
> > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
> >
> > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> > The University of Chicago
> >
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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Thu May 23 18:16:58 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 13:16:58 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query
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The term is very frequently used in Tantric ?aiva literature, often as an
equivalent for "tantra" amongst Kaula works. I don't know of a word study
on it though.

best,
Chris


On 22 May 2013 15:43, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:

> A colleague who is not a member of Indology asked me to post this. Does
> anyone know of work done on the term "mata" -- as view, ideology,
> philosophy, religion (often used this was in 19th century Indian writing).
> Perhaps you all know a word study on this ubiquitous term. Thanks.
>
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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Thu May 23 19:03:00 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 14:03:00 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <10D46E75-07F8-4B84-9C6D-12424658BD6E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN9mbVnf9bGsMwcoHGdt23zQcv2ve+FTqdChyKNguN2xKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,

Does anyone know whether Speier's original *Sanskrit Syntax *has been
re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems quite worthwhile.

best,
Chris Wallis


On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
> The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the University of Paris 7, Denis
> Diderot, will host a seminar on Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program
> begins with a keynote address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986
> edited the volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
> *Sanskrit Syntax*.  The second day of the program begins with a special
> lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of Paninian grammar
> to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th will include several
> presentations on the state of image-text alignment for Sanskrit
> manuscripts.  Please see the announcement<http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/BC?name=SyntaxParis/announce&context=~Events&title=Syntax%20Seminar> of
> the seminar and the full program<http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/BC?name=SyntaxParis/program&context=~Events&title=Syntax%20Seminar> under
> Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
> Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the seminar
> website.
> The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire Internationale de Recherche Blaise
> Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la
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> Yours sincerely,
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From reimann at berkeley.edu  Thu May 23 19:27:57 2013
From: reimann at berkeley.edu (Luis Gonzalez-Reimann)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 12:27:57 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO14WyWJT37817fxOntQ9LavGwYjzBMMPWEpHM3No-t6iEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519E6DBD.6@berkeley.edu>

on 5/23/2013 10:30 AM Andrew Ollett wrote:
> calling a younger person "mama" or "papa" is very common in latin 
> american communities, at least in new york.

This is very common in Mexico, where it is often used in the diminutive: 
"mamita," "papito."

Luis Gonz?lez-Reimann
_____

>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Richard Salomon 
> <rsalomon at u.washington.edu <mailto:rsalomon at u.washington.edu>> wrote:
>
>     On the other hand, this usage is not /exclusively /South Asian.
>     For instance, in Yiddish a little girl is referred to/addressed as
>     "mamele" = "little mother." I would imagine there are (many?)
>     other such casesfrom other languages/cultures.
>
>     Rich Salomon
>
>     On 5/23/2013 9:53 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:
>>     Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh
>>     batchmate asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or
>>     girls of their daughter's age 'Ma!'
>>     Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an honour as well as sign
>>     of responsibility of protection. This is characteristic of
>>     Bengali Muslims too. I have pleasant experience of that. Long ago
>>     travelling for a night in the Madras Mail I got an 'Instant
>>     ticket'. An 'Instant ticket' at that time assured entry without
>>     the guarantee of a berth. A Muslim gentleman watched us checking
>>     from berth to berth and at last assured my daughter on his own,
>>     'For mother there will be no problem of a berth'. To me he said,
>>     'Why! Your daughter is not my daughter?'
>>     There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman
>>     was captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
>>     'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.'
>>     That guaranteed protection.
>>     Best
>>     DB
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:* Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
>>     *To:* Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> <mailto:hr at ivs.edu>
>>     *Cc:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
>>     <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
>>
>>     This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address
>>     women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu,
>>     ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to
>>     address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.
>>
>>     Suresh.
>>
>>     On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu
>>     <mailto:hr at ivs.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya
>>         [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world,
>>         typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as
>>         'mother.'  Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu
>>         custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to
>>         any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>>                 Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>>
>>         Howard
>>
>>
>>         On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein
>>         <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU <mailto:mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU>> wrote:
>>
>>         > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address
>>         even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is
>>         indeed the case.
>>         >
>>         > Two questions:
>>         >
>>         > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
>>         > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it
>>         current among Muslims as well?
>>         >
>>         > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the
>>         issue of whether or not this should be
>>         > considered 'Hindu' usage?
>>         >
>>         > Matthew Kapstein
>>         > Directeur d'?tudes,
>>         > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>         >
>>         > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>>         > The University of Chicago
>>         >
>>         > _______________________________________________
>>         > INDOLOGY mailing list
>>         > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>         <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
>>         > http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/>
>>         >
>>         >
>>
>>
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>     Seattle WA 98195-3521
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From ph2046 at columbia.edu  Thu May 23 20:16:01 2013
From: ph2046 at columbia.edu (Paul Hackett)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 16:16:01 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN9mbVnf9bGsMwcoHGdt23zQcv2ve+FTqdChyKNguN2xKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73C70987-A43A-4CC3-8DDD-0AD1C66CFC6C@columbia.edu>

Dear Chris and others,

  I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that give the impression of a new edition.  I discovered this when attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin notes, etc.) of many books (including Speijer's) through a print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.

  I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and readable.

best,

Paul Hackett
Columbia University


On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:

> Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
> 
> Does anyone know whether Speier's original Sanskrit Syntax has been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems quite worthwhile.
> 
> best, 
> Chris Wallis
> 
> 
> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 	The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's Sanskrit Syntax.  The second day of the program begins with a special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th will include several presentations on the state of image-text alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts.  Please see the announcement of the seminar and the full program under Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
> 	Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the seminar website.
> 	The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la Fondation de l?Ecole Normale Sup?rieure.
> 	Yours sincerely,
> 	Peter
> 
> Peter M. Scharf, President
> The Sanskrit Library
> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
> *************************************************
> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
> Universit? Paris Diderot
> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
> Cedex 13
> 75205 Paris
> France
> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
> *************************************************
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From wc3 at soas.ac.uk  Thu May 23 20:43:44 2013
From: wc3 at soas.ac.uk (Whitney Cox)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 15:43:44 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <73C70987-A43A-4CC3-8DDD-0AD1C66CFC6C@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMg1_hMN3egFLVCtoJewydwTh5BrWu9J=_gEiMkivC5J_gUGGA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn something
new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do agree with Chris
that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in which the N?gar? text
is set can make for hard reading for those who aren't used to it: there are
many times that I've strongly recommended it to intermediate students who
have found it difficult to make sense of.  Also, Speyer doesn't always
translate his examples: this isn't a problem for those with more experience
in the language, but the target audience of language learners are sometimes
at a disadvantage, which is a real shame.


On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:

> Dear Chris and others,
>
>   I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has been
> re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that give the
> impression of a new edition.  I discovered this when attempting to purchase
> a copy a couple of years ago only to discover that some "enterprising"
> individuals have been data mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI)
> and selling exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
> notes, etc.) of many books (including Speijer's) through a print-on-demand
> service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
>
>   I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
> readable.
>
> best,
>
> Paul Hackett
> Columbia University
>
>
> On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
>
> Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
>
> Does anyone know whether Speier's original *Sanskrit Syntax *has been
> re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems quite worthwhile.
>
> best,
> Chris Wallis
>
>
> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>> The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the University of Paris 7, Denis
>> Diderot, will host a seminar on Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program
>> begins with a keynote address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986
>> edited the volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
>> *Sanskrit Syntax*.  The second day of the program begins with a special
>> lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of Paninian grammar
>> to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th will include several
>> presentations on the state of image-text alignment for Sanskrit
>> manuscripts.  Please see the announcement<http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/BC?name=SyntaxParis/announce&context=~Events&title=Syntax%20Seminar> of
>> the seminar and the full program<http://sanskritlibrary.org/tomcat/sl/BC?name=SyntaxParis/program&context=~Events&title=Syntax%20Seminar> under
>> Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
>>  Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the
>> seminar website.
>> The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire Internationale de Recherche Blaise
>> Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la
>> Fondation de l?Ecole Normale Sup?rieure.
>>  Yours sincerely,
>> Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Scharf, President
>> The Sanskrit Library
>> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
>>  *************************************************
>> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
>> Universit? Paris Diderot
>> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
>> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
>> Cedex 13
>> 75205 Paris
>> France
>> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
>> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
>> *************************************************
>> peter.scharf at inria.fr
>>
>>
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Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
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From h.t.bakker at rug.nl  Thu May 23 21:38:30 2013
From: h.t.bakker at rug.nl (hans bakker)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 23:38:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit in Groningen
Message-ID: <519E8C56.6090100@rug.nl>

Dear Colleagues,
After a long uphill struggle, we have finally lost. The board of the 
Faculty of Religious Studies,  backed  by the Board of the University of
Groningen and supported by the chairman of my department, has decided to 
close the Institute of Indian Studies.
The tradition of the study of Sanskrit  of more than a hundred years  in 
the Groningen University,
which was inaugurated by Jacob Samuel Speyer,  will come to an end by 1 
August 2013.
I have little hope that protests will make any difference. If you feel 
inclined to react, though, this reaction could  be sent to the following 
addresses.

President of the Board of the University of Groningen, S. Poppema:    
s.poppema at rug.nl

Dean of the Faculty of Religious Studies, G. H. van Kooten: 
g.h.van.kooten at rug.nl

Chairman of The Department of  Comparative and Historical Study of 
Religion, Kocku Von Stuckradt:    c.k.m.von.stuckrad at rug.nl

Hans Bakker

-- 

Prof Hans T. Bakker
Institute of Indian Studies
University of Groningen
Oude Boteringestraat 23
9712 GC Groningen
the Netherlands
tel: +31.(0)50.363.5819
www.rug.nl/india







From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Thu May 23 23:50:47 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Thu, 23 May 13 18:50:47 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit in Groningen
In-Reply-To: <519E8C56.6090100@rug.nl>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN8zVA1qYfvasHjJ2=HzePwwtvpqM3eQmk-Q4pzdBBFuCg@mail.gmail.com>

This is truly sad, Dr. Bakker, and shocking.  I hope this does not also
entail the elimination or attenuation of your position?

sincerely,
Chris Wallis



On 23 May 2013 16:38, hans bakker <h.t.bakker at rug.nl> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> After a long uphill struggle, we have finally lost. The board of the
> Faculty of Religious Studies,  backed  by the Board of the University of
> Groningen and supported by the chairman of my department, has decided to
> close the Institute of Indian Studies.
> The tradition of the study of Sanskrit  of more than a hundred years  in
> the Groningen University,
> which was inaugurated by Jacob Samuel Speyer,  will come to an end by 1
> August 2013.
> I have little hope that protests will make any difference. If you feel
> inclined to react, though, this reaction could  be sent to the following
> addresses.
>
> President of the Board of the University of Groningen, S. Poppema:
> s.poppema at rug.nl
>
> Dean of the Faculty of Religious Studies, G. H. van Kooten:
> g.h.van.kooten at rug.nl
>
> Chairman of The Department of  Comparative and Historical Study of
> Religion, Kocku Von Stuckradt:    c.k.m.von.stuckrad at rug.nl
>
> Hans Bakker
>
> --
>
> Prof Hans T. Bakker
> Institute of Indian Studies
> University of Groningen
> Oude Boteringestraat 23
> 9712 GC Groningen
> the Netherlands
> tel: +31.(0)50.363.5819
> www.rug.nl/india
>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May 24 11:11:32 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 13 13:11:32 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAMg1_hMN3egFLVCtoJewydwTh5BrWu9J=_gEiMkivC5J_gUGGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfNmKvzyyMFB4FXzNTY1krRaPnj-D7buH_ZDuRAknYdbQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 May 2013 22:43, Whitney Cox <wc3 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:

> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do agree
> with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in which the
> N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who aren't used to
> it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended it to intermediate
> students who have found it difficult to make sense of.  Also, Speyer
> doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a problem for those with
> more experience in the language, but the target audience of language
> learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which is a real shame.
>
>
I
? completely agree about the admiration for Speyer's book.  It's really
quite extraordinary.  Deeply laced throughout with Paninian references
(fully understood for their linguistic meaning) and showing a sensitive and
original flair for translation and understanding of his examples.  Amazing
book.

Dominik?


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From rsalomon at u.washington.edu  Fri May 24 16:45:44 2013
From: rsalomon at u.washington.edu (Richard Salomon)
Date: Fri, 24 May 13 09:45:44 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <519E6DBD.6@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <519F9938.4090903@u.washington.edu>

Getting back to Indology and India(the detourwas my fault!): Skt. tata 
works the same way: originally "dad," butalso used by a father to 
address his son.

RS

On 5/23/2013 12:27 PM, Luis Gonzalez-Reimann wrote:
> on 5/23/2013 10:30 AM Andrew Ollett wrote:
>> calling a younger person "mama" or "papa" is very common in latin 
>> american communities, at least in new york.
>
> This is very common in Mexico, where it is often used in the 
> diminutive: "mamita," "papito."
>
> Luis Gonz?lez-Reimann
> _____
>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Richard Salomon 
>> <rsalomon at u.washington.edu <mailto:rsalomon at u.washington.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     On the other hand, this usage is not /exclusively /South Asian.
>>     For instance, in Yiddish a little girl is referred to/addressed
>>     as "mamele" = "little mother." I would imagine there are (many?)
>>     other such casesfrom other languages/cultures.
>>
>>     Rich Salomon
>>
>>     On 5/23/2013 9:53 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:
>>>     Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh
>>>     batchmate asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or
>>>     girls of their daughter's age 'Ma!'
>>>     Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an honour as well as
>>>     sign of responsibility of protection. This is characteristic of
>>>     Bengali Muslims too. I have pleasant experience of that. Long
>>>     ago travelling for a night in the Madras Mail I got an 'Instant
>>>     ticket'. An 'Instant ticket' at that time assured entry without
>>>     the guarantee of a berth. A Muslim gentleman watched us checking
>>>     from berth to berth and at last assured my daughter on his own,
>>>     'For mother there will be no problem of a berth'. To me he said,
>>>     'Why! Your daughter is not my daughter?'
>>>     There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman
>>>     was captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
>>>     'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.'
>>>     That guaranteed protection.
>>>     Best
>>>     DB
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
>>>     <mailto:suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
>>>     *To:* Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> <mailto:hr at ivs.edu>
>>>     *Cc:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>     <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
>>>
>>>     This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address
>>>     women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu,
>>>     ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to
>>>     address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.
>>>
>>>     Suresh.
>>>
>>>     On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu
>>>     <mailto:hr at ivs.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya
>>>         [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world,
>>>         typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women
>>>         as 'mother.'  Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu
>>>         custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom,
>>>         to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>>>                 Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>>>
>>>         Howard
>>>
>>>
>>>         On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein
>>>         <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU <mailto:mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men
>>>         address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know
>>>         this is indeed the case.
>>>         >
>>>         > Two questions:
>>>         >
>>>         > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
>>>         > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it
>>>         current among Muslims as well?
>>>         >
>>>         > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the
>>>         issue of whether or not this should be
>>>         > considered 'Hindu' usage?
>>>         >
>>>         > Matthew Kapstein
>>>         > Directeur d'?tudes,
>>>         > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>>         >
>>>         > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>>>         > The University of Chicago
>>>         >
>>>         > _______________________________________________
>>>         > INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>         > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>         <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
>>>         > http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/>
>>>         >
>>>         >
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>     Department of Asian Languages and Literature
>>     University of Washington, Box 353521
>>     Seattle WA 98195-3521
>>     USA
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From hr at ivs.edu  Fri May 24 17:10:50 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Fri, 24 May 13 10:10:50 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
In-Reply-To: <519F9938.4090903@u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <FACF37B5-0B6E-40F2-BC93-A802C7D91C8F@ivs.edu>

tAta is quite interesting as a term of affection, including for father (elder), or for son or other junior.

Examples:
Gita 6.40 - Krishna calls Arjuna tAta (they are roughly the same age).
BhP 1.13.11 Yudhisthira to his uncle Vidura
BhP 1.14.15 Yudhisthira to his younger brother Bhima
BhP 1.14.39 Yudhisthira to his younger brother Arjuna
BhP 2.6.1    BrahmA to his mental son NArada.
etc.

Best,
Howard

On May 24, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Richard Salomon <rsalomon at u.washington.edu> wrote:

> Getting back to Indology and India (the detour was my fault!): Skt. tata works the same way: originally "dad," but also used by a father to address his son.
> 
> RS
> 
> On 5/23/2013 12:27 PM, Luis Gonzalez-Reimann wrote:
>> on 5/23/2013 10:30 AM Andrew Ollett wrote:
>>> calling a younger person "mama" or "papa" is very common in latin american communities, at least in new york. 
>> 
>> This is very common in Mexico, where it is often used in the diminutive: "mamita," "papito."
>> 
>> Luis Gonz?lez-Reimann
>> _____
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Richard Salomon <rsalomon at u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>> On the other hand, this usage is not exclusively South Asian. For instance, in Yiddish a little girl is referred to/addressed as "mamele" = "little mother." I would imagine there are (many?) other such cases from other languages/cultures.
>>> 
>>> Rich Salomon  
>>> 
>>> On 5/23/2013 9:53 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:
>>>> Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh batchmate asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or girls of their daughter's age 'Ma!' 
>>>> Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an honour as well as sign of responsibility of protection. This is characteristic of Bengali Muslims too. I have pleasant experience of that. Long ago travelling for a night in the Madras Mail I got an 'Instant ticket'. An 'Instant ticket' at that time assured entry without the guarantee of a berth. A Muslim gentleman watched us checking from berth to berth and at last assured my daughter on his own, 'For mother there will be no problem of a berth'. To me he said, 'Why! Your daughter is not my daughter?' 
>>>> There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman was captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
>>>> 'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.' That guaranteed protection. 
>>>> Best 
>>>> DB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> 
>>>> Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info> 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
>>>> 
>>>> This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.
>>>> 
>>>> Suresh.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.'  Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
>>>>         Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.
>>>> 
>>>> Howard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
>>>> >
>>>> > Two questions:
>>>> >
>>>> > Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
>>>> > Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?
>>>> >
>>>> > Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be
>>>> > considered 'Hindu' usage?
>>>> >
>>>> > Matthew Kapstein
>>>> > Directeur d'?tudes,
>>>> > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>>> >
>>>> > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>>>> > The University of Chicago
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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Fri May 24 17:53:38 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Fri, 24 May 13 12:53:38 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CfNmKvzyyMFB4FXzNTY1krRaPnj-D7buH_ZDuRAknYdbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm thinking, it wouldn't be expensive at all to pay someone in India to
re-typeset it in an easy-to-read form that is more appealing for students.
Since it's out of copyright, we could then publish it (print-on-demand) and
recoup our investment. Anyone interested in making this happen?  Whitney?
Dominik?

best,
Chris


On 24 May 2013 06:11, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23 May 2013 22:43, Whitney Cox <wc3 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
>> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do agree
>> with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in which the
>> N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who aren't used to
>> it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended it to intermediate
>> students who have found it difficult to make sense of.  Also, Speyer
>> doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a problem for those with
>> more experience in the language, but the target audience of language
>> learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which is a real shame.
>>
>>
> I
> ? completely agree about the admiration for Speyer's book.  It's really
> quite extraordinary.  Deeply laced throughout with Paninian references
> (fully understood for their linguistic meaning) and showing a sensitive and
> original flair for translation and understanding of his examples.  Amazing
> book.
>
> Dominik?
>
>
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From rajam at earthlink.net  Fri May 24 18:23:51 2013
From: rajam at earthlink.net (Rajam)
Date: Fri, 24 May 13 11:23:51 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN-gDgjx3jz=jayb+sEDFA-kgtJiOepe8p1gP556ZBg-Wg@mail.gmail.com>
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Depending upon how much the payment would be and other details, I can contact some folks in the South and find out if they'd be interested in this assignment. If interested, please send me email off list. 

Regards,
V.S.Rajam 


On May 24, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Wallis wrote:

> I'm thinking, it wouldn't be expensive at all to pay someone in India to re-typeset it in an easy-to-read form that is more appealing for students. Since it's out of copyright, we could then publish it (print-on-demand) and recoup our investment. Anyone interested in making this happen?  Whitney? Dominik?
> 
> best, 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 24 May 2013 06:11, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 May 2013 22:43, Whitney Cox <wc3 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in which the N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense of.  Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which is a real shame.
> 
> 
> I? completely agree about the admiration for Speyer's book.  It's really quite extraordinary.  Deeply laced throughout with Paninian references (fully understood for their linguistic meaning) and showing a sensitive and original flair for translation and understanding of his examples.  Amazing book.  
> 
> Dominik?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Sat May 25 07:17:34 2013
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 09:17:34 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit in Groningen
In-Reply-To: <519E8C56.6090100@rug.nl>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoBKdnyyHAc-GMgDo83h_BKN5GNtUrgx_B1e=9=_HEES+w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Hans,
This is very sad indeed, and it can definitely not be blamed to a lack of
effort and productivity from your side the last so many decades.
I will write to the administrators you mention.
But they too are only reflecting the current Zeitgeist.
How different was the era of Speijer who could "surf" on a widespread wave
of interest (in the world and in the Netherlands) in all things India and
theosophical.
Hence the title of that other book of Speijer's, mainly on Samkhya and
other Indian philosophies:
De Indische theosophie en hare beteekenis voor ons (1910; German
translation in 1914: Die indische Theosophie aus den Quellen dargestellt).
Jan


On 23 May 2013 23:38, hans bakker <h.t.bakker at rug.nl> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> After a long uphill struggle, we have finally lost. The board of the
> Faculty of Religious Studies,  backed  by the Board of the University of
> Groningen and supported by the chairman of my department, has decided to
> close the Institute of Indian Studies.
> The tradition of the study of Sanskrit  of more than a hundred years  in
> the Groningen University,
> which was inaugurated by Jacob Samuel Speyer,  will come to an end by 1
> August 2013.
> I have little hope that protests will make any difference. If you feel
> inclined to react, though, this reaction could  be sent to the following
> addresses.
>
> President of the Board of the University of Groningen, S. Poppema:
> s.poppema at rug.nl
>
> Dean of the Faculty of Religious Studies, G. H. van Kooten:
> g.h.van.kooten at rug.nl
>
> Chairman of The Department of  Comparative and Historical Study of
> Religion, Kocku Von Stuckradt:    c.k.m.von.stuckrad at rug.nl
>
> Hans Bakker
>
> --
>
> Prof Hans T. Bakker
> Institute of Indian Studies
> University of Groningen
> Oude Boteringestraat 23
> 9712 GC Groningen
> the Netherlands
> tel: +31.(0)50.363.5819
> www.rug.nl/india
>
>
>
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Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP,
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From dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk  Sat May 25 10:07:10 2013
From: dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk (dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 11:07:10 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAMg1_hMN3egFLVCtoJewydwTh5BrWu9J=_gEiMkivC5J_gUGGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A09B5E.8662.627A73@localhost>

I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and much used 
Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so methodical 
that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic theory, so long as 
you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances Paninian 
prescriptions with observations of actual texts.

Dermot Killingley
Newcastle

On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:

> 
> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
> agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting. ??The font in
> which the N??gar?? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
> aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
> it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
> of. ??Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
> problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
> audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
> is a real shame.
> 
> 
> On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>     Dear Chris and others,
>     ?? I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
>     been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
>     give the impression of a new edition. ??I discovered this when
>     attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
>     discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
>     mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
>     exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
>     notes, etc.) of many books (including??Speijer's) through a
>     print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
> 
> ?? I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
> readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
>     Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
>     Does anyone know whether??Speier's original??Sanskrit Syntax has
>     been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this? ??It seems
>     quite worthwhile.
> 
> best,??
> Chris Wallis
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
>     University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
>     Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
>     address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
>     volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
>     Sanskrit Syntax. ??The second day of the program begins with a
>     special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
>     Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax. ??The afternoon of the 15th
>     will include several presentations on the state of image-text
>     alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts. ??Please see
>     the??announcement??of the seminar and the??full program??under
>     Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
> Scholars are invited to attend. ??Please register at no cost on the
> seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the??Chaire
> Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ??e par l???Etat et la
> R??gion d'Ile-de-France, g??r??e par la Fondation de l???Ecole Normale
> Sup??rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
> 
> Peter M. Scharf, President
> The Sanskrit Library
> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
> 
> 
> *************************************************
> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
> Universit?? Paris Diderot
> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th??ories Linguistiques
> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
> Cedex 13
> 75205 Paris
> France
> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
> *************************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> peter.scharf at inria.fr
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> Dr. Whitney Cox
> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
> SOAS, University of London
> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
> London WC1H 0XG 







From manufrancis at gmail.com  Sat May 25 11:31:42 2013
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 13:31:42 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <51A09B5E.8662.627A73@localhost>
Message-ID: <CANVHsm5hX973iB0mewF899cAh5oUY+OLhvhWjYNF+UOFf_YPsQ@mail.gmail.com>

For the moment being the following link is to the pdf made from DLI:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7r04djmedy17gu/SPEIJER%201973%20MLBD%20Sanskrit%20Syntax%20reprint%20%5BDLI%204990010197932%5D%20OCR.pdf

This is the MLBD 1973 reprint.
I have OCRised it for English.
Anybody could OCRise it for NAgarI?
Then one just needs to "copy" and "paste".
Suppose all people on this list take time to proof-read 5 or 10 pages out
the approximately 400 pages of the book ...
Best.

PS: Who else than specialists can correctly proof-read this book?
--
Emmanuel Francis
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR
8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
http://ceias.ehess.fr/
http://ceias.ehess.fr/document.php?id=1725
http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/
Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950,
Universit?t Hamburg)
http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html



On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:07 PM, <dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and much
> used
> Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so
> methodical
> that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic theory,
> so long as
> you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances Paninian
> prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
>
> Dermot Killingley
> Newcastle
>
> On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
> > something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
> > agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting. ? The font in
> > which the N? gar?? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
> > aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
> > it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
> > of. ? Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
> > problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
> > audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
> > is a real shame.
> >
> >
> > On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
> >     Dear Chris and others,
> >     ?  I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
> >     been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
> >     give the impression of a new edition. ? I discovered this when
> >     attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
> >     discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
> >     mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
> >     exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
> >     notes, etc.) of many books (including? Speijer's) through a
> >     print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
> >
> > ?  I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
> > readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
> >
> >
> > On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
> >     Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
> >     Does anyone know whether? Speier's original? Sanskrit Syntax has
> >     been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this? ? It seems
> >     quite worthwhile.
> >
> > best,?
> > Chris Wallis
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >     Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
> >     University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
> >     Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
> >     address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
> >     volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
> >     Sanskrit Syntax. ? The second day of the program begins with a
> >     special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
> >     Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax. ? The afternoon of the 15th
> >     will include several presentations on the state of image-text
> >     alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts. ? Please see
> >     the? announcement? of the seminar and the? full program? under
> >     Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
> > Scholars are invited to attend. ? Please register at no cost on the
> > seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the? Chaire
> > Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ??e par l???Etat et la
> > R??gion d'Ile-de-France, g??r??e par la Fondation de l???Ecole Normale
> > Sup??rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
> >
> > Peter M. Scharf, President
> > The Sanskrit Library
> > scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
> >
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
> > Universit?? Paris Diderot
> > Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th??ories Linguistiques
> > 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
> > Cedex 13
> > 75205 Paris
> > France
> > 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
> > peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
> > *************************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > peter.scharf at inria.fr
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
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> > http://listinfo.indology.info
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > Dr. Whitney Cox
> > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
> > Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
> > SOAS, University of London
> > Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
> > London WC1H 0XG
>
>
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Sat May 25 11:49:19 2013
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 07:49:19 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CANVHsm5hX973iB0mewF899cAh5oUY+OLhvhWjYNF+UOFf_YPsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I join others in praising this work, and in suffering owning an edition
from a less than perfect printing.

I, too, was thinking of some sort of joint effort.  In fact, the text could
even be re-keyed by a group of us (say 40 of us, each taking on ten pages).
 If someone is willing to set up a template beforehand, the work will be
that much easier.  Here, we should think about making the text highly
readable for the digital age (format it to the now ubiquitous 16:9 computer
screen).

I do not have the technical skills to set up the template, but I would like
to hear others thoughts on this.

Herman Tull


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com> wrote:

> For the moment being the following link is to the pdf made from DLI:
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7r04djmedy17gu/SPEIJER%201973%20MLBD%20Sanskrit%20Syntax%20reprint%20%5BDLI%204990010197932%5D%20OCR.pdf
>
> This is the MLBD 1973 reprint.
> I have OCRised it for English.
> Anybody could OCRise it for NAgarI?
> Then one just needs to "copy" and "paste".
> Suppose all people on this list take time to proof-read 5 or 10 pages out
> the approximately 400 pages of the book ...
> Best.
>
> PS: Who else than specialists can correctly proof-read this book?
> --
> Emmanuel Francis
> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
> http://ceias.ehess.fr/
> http://ceias.ehess.fr/document.php?id=1725
> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/
> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950,
> Universit?t Hamburg)
> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:07 PM, <dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and
>> much used
>> Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so
>> methodical
>> that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic
>> theory, so long as
>> you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances
>> Paninian
>> prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
>>
>> Dermot Killingley
>> Newcastle
>>
>> On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
>> > something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
>> > agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting. ? The font in
>> > which the N? gar?? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
>> > aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
>> > it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
>> > of. ? Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
>> > problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
>> > audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
>> > is a real shame.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>> >     Dear Chris and others,
>> >     ?  I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
>> >     been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
>> >     give the impression of a new edition. ? I discovered this when
>> >     attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
>> >     discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
>> >     mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
>> >     exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
>> >     notes, etc.) of many books (including? Speijer's) through a
>> >     print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
>> >
>> > ?  I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
>> > readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
>> >     Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
>> >     Does anyone know whether? Speier's original? Sanskrit Syntax has
>> >     been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this? ? It seems
>> >     quite worthwhile.
>> >
>> > best,?
>> > Chris Wallis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >     Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
>> >     University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
>> >     Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
>> >     address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
>> >     volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
>> >     Sanskrit Syntax. ? The second day of the program begins with a
>> >     special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
>> >     Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax. ? The afternoon of the 15th
>> >     will include several presentations on the state of image-text
>> >     alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts. ? Please see
>> >     the? announcement? of the seminar and the? full program? under
>> >     Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
>> > Scholars are invited to attend. ? Please register at no cost on the
>> > seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the? Chaire
>> > Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ??e par l???Etat et la
>> > R??gion d'Ile-de-France, g??r??e par la Fondation de l???Ecole Normale
>> > Sup??rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
>> >
>> > Peter M. Scharf, President
>> > The Sanskrit Library
>> > scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
>> >
>> >
>> > *************************************************
>> > Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
>> > Universit?? Paris Diderot
>> > Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th??ories Linguistiques
>> > 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
>> > Cedex 13
>> > 75205 Paris
>> > France
>> > 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
>> > peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
>> > *************************************************
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > peter.scharf at inria.fr
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. Whitney Cox
>> > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
>> > Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
>> > SOAS, University of London
>> > Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
>> > London WC1H 0XG
>>
>>
>>
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Sat May 25 14:01:41 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 09:01:41 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <51A09B5E.8662.627A73@localhost>
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Let me also -- since we are in the admiring mood -- add my own voice to this. And to think that it was done in 1886!! I am privileged to have the original edition of 1886 published in Leyden (so spelled) by E.J. Brill. It once belonged to Shackleton Bailey and is still in perfect condition, and I really don't have any problems reading the Devanagari, although it is in an old, but beautiful, font.

Patrick



On May 25, 2013, at 5:07 AM, dermot at GREVATT.FORCE9.CO.UK wrote:

> I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and much used 
> Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so methodical 
> that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic theory, so long as 
> you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances Paninian 
> prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
> 
> Dermot Killingley
> Newcastle
> 
> On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
>> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
>> agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in
>> which the N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
>> aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
>> it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
>> of.  Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
>> problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
>> audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
>> is a real shame.
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>    Dear Chris and others,
>>      I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
>>    been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
>>    give the impression of a new edition.  I discovered this when
>>    attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
>>    discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
>>    mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
>>    exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
>>    notes, etc.) of many books (including Speijer's) through a
>>    print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
>> 
>>   I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
>> readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
>> 
>> 
>> On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
>>    Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
>>    Does anyone know whether Speier's original Sanskrit Syntax has
>>    been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems
>>    quite worthwhile.
>> 
>> best, 
>> Chris Wallis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>    Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
>>    University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
>>    Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
>>    address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
>>    volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
>>    Sanskrit Syntax.  The second day of the program begins with a
>>    special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
>>    Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th
>>    will include several presentations on the state of image-text
>>    alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts.  Please see
>>    the announcement of the seminar and the full program under
>>    Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
>> Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the
>> seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire
>> Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la
>> R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la Fondation de l?Ecole Normale
>> Sup?rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Scharf, President
>> The Sanskrit Library
>> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
>> 
>> 
>> *************************************************
>> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
>> Universit? Paris Diderot
>> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
>> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
>> Cedex 13
>> 75205 Paris
>> France
>> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
>> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
>> *************************************************
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> peter.scharf at inria.fr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr. Whitney Cox
>> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
>> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
>> SOAS, University of London
>> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
>> London WC1H 0XG 
> 
> 
> 
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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Sat May 25 14:11:09 2013
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Michael Witzel)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 23:11:09 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <1BD8BA72-2791-4C7C-A49B-B34B0717A875@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <8EF39D17-9815-4771-9FAF-05F345758958@fas.harvard.edu>

Yes, this is the Berlin font, handcast by A.Weber for his edition of the Shatapatha Brahmana etc.; the Leipzig font (Aufrecht etc.) is more commonly used. 

One can get used to the Berlin one easily, just try? This is a far cry for readings manuscripts :-)

MW
 

On May 25, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Patrick Olivelle wrote:

> Let me also -- since we are in the admiring mood -- add my own voice to this. And to think that it was done in 1886!! I am privileged to have the original edition of 1886 published in Leyden (so spelled) by E.J. Brill. It once belonged to Shackleton Bailey and is still in perfect condition, and I really don't have any problems reading the Devanagari, although it is in an old, but beautiful, font.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 5:07 AM, dermot at GREVATT.FORCE9.CO.UK wrote:
> 
>> I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and much used 
>> Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so methodical 
>> that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic theory, so long as 
>> you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances Paninian 
>> prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
>> 
>> Dermot Killingley
>> Newcastle
>> 
>> On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
>>> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
>>> agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in
>>> which the N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
>>> aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
>>> it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
>>> of.  Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
>>> problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
>>> audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
>>> is a real shame.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>   Dear Chris and others,
>>>     I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
>>>   been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
>>>   give the impression of a new edition.  I discovered this when
>>>   attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
>>>   discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
>>>   mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
>>>   exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
>>>   notes, etc.) of many books (including Speijer's) through a
>>>   print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
>>> 
>>>  I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
>>> readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
>>>   Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
>>>   Does anyone know whether Speier's original Sanskrit Syntax has
>>>   been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems
>>>   quite worthwhile.
>>> 
>>> best, 
>>> Chris Wallis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>   Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
>>>   University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
>>>   Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
>>>   address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
>>>   volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
>>>   Sanskrit Syntax.  The second day of the program begins with a
>>>   special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
>>>   Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th
>>>   will include several presentations on the state of image-text
>>>   alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts.  Please see
>>>   the announcement of the seminar and the full program under
>>>   Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
>>> Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the
>>> seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire
>>> Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la
>>> R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la Fondation de l?Ecole Normale
>>> Sup?rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
>>> 
>>> Peter M. Scharf, President
>>> The Sanskrit Library
>>> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *************************************************
>>> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
>>> Universit? Paris Diderot
>>> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
>>> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
>>> Cedex 13
>>> 75205 Paris
>>> France
>>> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
>>> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
>>> *************************************************
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> peter.scharf at inria.fr
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Whitney Cox
>>> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
>>> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
>>> SOAS, University of London
>>> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
>>> London WC1H 0XG 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> ============
> Michael Witzel
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit &
> Director of Graduate Studies,
> Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University
> 1 Bow Street,
> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
> 
> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, fax 617 - 496 8571;
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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Sat May 25 15:02:11 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 10:02:11 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <1BD8BA72-2791-4C7C-A49B-B34B0717A875@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN96OrKZR1hqBjEZxbvWVsEraKLmCChcdoScBTGtF2PK4A@mail.gmail.com>

Certainly everyone on this list can read the N?gar?; our idea was to
retypeset in a readable, modern format to make the book more appealing to
graduate students (who generally don't use it, at least in the U.S.).  A
clean and beautiful edition, print-on-demand, or available as a pdf for
free, with improved index, updated IAST, and other new features.

If the members of Indology pulled this off all by themselves,
collaboratively, what a proof of concept it would be for a new era of
academic publishing!

We are discussing this off-list, please email myself or Dominik to be part
of the discussion.

best,
Chris Wallis
U.C. Berkeley


On 25 May 2013 09:01, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:

> Let me also -- since we are in the admiring mood -- add my own voice to
> this. And to think that it was done in 1886!! I am privileged to have the
> original edition of 1886 published in Leyden (so spelled) by E.J. Brill. It
> once belonged to Shackleton Bailey and is still in perfect condition, and I
> really don't have any problems reading the Devanagari, although it is in an
> old, but beautiful, font.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 5:07 AM, dermot at GREVATT.FORCE9.CO.UK wrote:
>
> > I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and
> much used
> > Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so
> methodical
> > that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic
> theory, so long as
> > you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances
> Paninian
> > prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
> >
> > Dermot Killingley
> > Newcastle
> >
> > On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
> >> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
> >> agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in
> >> which the N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
> >> aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
> >> it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
> >> of.  Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
> >> problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
> >> audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
> >> is a real shame.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
> >>    Dear Chris and others,
> >>      I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
> >>    been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
> >>    give the impression of a new edition.  I discovered this when
> >>    attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
> >>    discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
> >>    mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
> >>    exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
> >>    notes, etc.) of many books (including Speijer's) through a
> >>    print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
> >>
> >>   I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
> >> readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
> >>    Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
> >>    Does anyone know whether Speier's original Sanskrit Syntax has
> >>    been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems
> >>    quite worthwhile.
> >>
> >> best,
> >> Chris Wallis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>    Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
> >>    University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
> >>    Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
> >>    address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
> >>    volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
> >>    Sanskrit Syntax.  The second day of the program begins with a
> >>    special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
> >>    Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th
> >>    will include several presentations on the state of image-text
> >>    alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts.  Please see
> >>    the announcement of the seminar and the full program under
> >>    Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
> >> Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the
> >> seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire
> >> Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la
> >> R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la Fondation de l?Ecole Normale
> >> Sup?rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
> >>
> >> Peter M. Scharf, President
> >> The Sanskrit Library
> >> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
> >>
> >>
> >> *************************************************
> >> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
> >> Universit? Paris Diderot
> >> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
> >> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
> >> Cedex 13
> >> 75205 Paris
> >> France
> >> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
> >> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
> >> *************************************************
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> peter.scharf at inria.fr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr. Whitney Cox
> >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
> >> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
> >> SOAS, University of London
> >> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
> >> London WC1H 0XG
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com  Sat May 25 17:12:05 2013
From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 19:12:05 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_PDF_of_English_Translation_of_the_Ny=C4=81yas=C5=ABtra_and_Bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya?=
Message-ID: <F2CFF826-DFE4-4763-A502-E5316B6F21D5@gmail.com>

Dear All,

I would highly appreciate if someone could share with me the PDFs of the following two titles off-list or send me the links wherefrom I can download them. My efforts have been in vain.

1. Ny?ya Philosophy : literal translation of Gautama's "Ny?ya-s?tra" and V?tsy?yana's bh??ya, along with a free and abridged translation of the "Elucidation" by Mah?mahop?dhy?ya Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g? ?with a free and abridged translation of the "Elucidation" by Mah?mahop?dhy?ya Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g??a, Eds. Mrinalkanti Gangopadhyaya; Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya; Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g??a; Calcutta : R. Maitra, 1967.

2. The Ny?ya-S?tras of Gautama: with the Bh??ya of V?tsyayana and the V?rtika of Udayana. Translated By: Mahamahopadhyaya Ganganatha Jha.

Thanks in advance and best wishes.

Yours,

Mrinal Kaul






From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Sat May 25 17:45:25 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 12:45:25 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help
Message-ID: <7E685F1E-03FF-42DA-BAB3-79612F718B5E@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Friend:

I am trying to identify two citations, one apparently from a sm?ti and the other from a Vedic text. These are found in Vi?var?pa's commentary on the Y?j?avalkya Sm?ti, 1.7 (Trivandrum edition, p. 20). These are cited by an opponent supporting the independent authority of sm?tis: tasm?t sv?tantrya? sm?t?n?m ity uktam. Then follows the citations:

1. tath? c?ha: "agranthak?n?m arth?n?? cak?ropanibandhanam."

2. ?mn?ya? ca "yady ukto bh?r" ity?dy upakramya "yaju??as s?mata" ity uktv?, "yady avij??tam" ity ?ha.

Then he cites a samprad?ya: sm?rta? c?vij??tam iti sa?prad?ya?.

Any help in locating these would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.

Patrick




From juergen.neuss at fu-berlin.de  Sat May 25 17:44:56 2013
From: juergen.neuss at fu-berlin.de (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Neuss?=)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 19:44:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN96OrKZR1hqBjEZxbvWVsEraKLmCChcdoScBTGtF2PK4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.wxnh86txcvbgtz@tapti.fritz.box>

Dear Chris,

I would like to be part of the discussion. Maybe I can help with the OCR  
part of the Sanskrit portions, if need be.

Best,

J?rgen


On Sat, 25 May 2013 17:02:11 +0200, Christopher Wallis  
<bhairava11 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Certainly everyone on this list can read the N?gar?; our idea was to  
> retypeset in a readable, modern format to make the book more >appealing  
> to graduate students (who generally don't use it, at least in the  
> U.S.).  A clean and beautiful edition, print-on-demand, or >available as  
> a pdf for free, with improved index, updated IAST, and other new  
> features.
>
> If the members of Indology pulled this off all by themselves,  
> collaboratively, what a proof of concept it would be for a new era of  
> >academic publishing!
>
> We are discussing this off-list, please email myself or Dominik to be  
> part of the discussion.
>
> best,Chris Wallis
> U.C. Berkeley
>
>
> On 25 May 2013 09:01, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>> Let me also -- since we are in the admiring mood -- add my own voice to  
>> this. And to think that it was done in 1886!! I am >>privileged to have  
>> the original edition of 1886 published in Leyden (so spelled) by E.J.  
>> Brill. It once belonged to Shackleton Bailey >>and is still in perfect  
>> condition, and I really don't have any problems reading the Devanagari,  
>> although it is in an old, but beautiful, >>font.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2013, at 5:07 AM, dermot at GREVATT.FORCE9.CO.UK wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily bound and  
>>> much used
>>> Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore, Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so  
>>> methodical
>>> that his statements still make sense despite changes in linguistic  
>>> theory, so long as
>>> you understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances  
>>> Paninian
>>> prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
>>>
>>> Dermot Killingley
>>> Newcastle
>>>
>>> On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I learn
>>>> something new and interesting every single time I open it-- but I do
>>>> agree with Chris that it would benefit from re-setting.  The font in
>>>> which the N?gar? text is set can make for hard reading for those who
>>>> aren't used to it: there are many times that I've strongly recommended
>>>> it to intermediate students who have found it difficult to make sense
>>>> of.  Also, Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a
>>>> problem for those with more experience in the language, but the target
>>>> audience of language learners are sometimes at a disadvantage, which
>>>> is a real shame.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 May 2013 15:16, Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>    Dear Chris and others,
>>>>      I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's _Sanskrit Syntax_ has
>>>>    been re-typeset or not, but there are publications for sale that
>>>>    give the impression of a new edition.  I discovered this when
>>>>    attempting to purchase a copy a couple of years ago only to
>>>>    discover that some "enterprising" individuals have been data
>>>>    mining Google books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling
>>>>    exceptionally poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin
>>>>    notes, etc.) of many books (including Speijer's) through a
>>>>    print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
>>>>
>>>>   I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very clean and
>>>> readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote:
>>>>    Dear Peter and fellow Indologists,
>>>>    Does anyone know whether Speier's original Sanskrit Syntax has
>>>>    been re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this?  It seems
>>>>    quite worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Chris Wallis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 May 2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>    Dear colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the
>>>>    University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on
>>>>    Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote
>>>>    address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the
>>>>    volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of Speier's
>>>>    Sanskrit Syntax.  The second day of the program begins with a
>>>>    special lecture by George Cardona concerned with contributions of
>>>>    Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.  The afternoon of the 15th
>>>>    will include several presentations on the state of image-text
>>>>    alignment for Sanskrit manuscripts.  Please see
>>>>    the announcement of the seminar and the full program under
>>>>    Events on the Sanskrit Library website.
>>>> Scholars are invited to attend.  Please register at no cost on the
>>>> seminar website. The seminar is sponsored by the Chaire
>>>> Internationale de Recherche Blaise Pascal financ?e par l?Etat et la
>>>> R?gion d'Ile-de-France, g?r?e par la Fondation de l?Ecole Normale
>>>> Sup?rieure. Yours sincerely,Peter
>>>>
>>>> Peter M. Scharf, President
>>>> The Sanskrit Library
>>>> scharf at sanskritlibrary.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *************************************************
>>>> Peter M. Scharf, Ph.D.
>>>> Universit? Paris Diderot
>>>> Laboratoire d'Histoire des Th?ories Linguistiques
>>>> 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034
>>>> Cedex 13
>>>> 75205 Paris
>>>> France
>>>> 33-1-5727-5742 (phone)
>>>> peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr
>>>> *************************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> peter.scharf at inria.fr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Whitney Cox
>>>> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
>>>> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
>>>> SOAS, University of London
>>>> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
>>>> London WC1H 0XG
>>>
>>>
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From: juergen.neuss at fu-berlin.de (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Neuss?=)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 19:49:02 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sorry....
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Sorry for erroneously sending a private message to the list...

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- - Institute for the Scientific Study of Religion
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From LubinT at wlu.edu  Sat May 25 18:56:30 2013
From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 18:56:30 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_PDF_of_English_Translation_of_the_Ny=C4=81yas=C5=ABtra_and_Bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya?=
In-Reply-To: <CDC67C82.173CE%lubint@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <CDC68165.173F9%lubint@wlu.edu>

Mrinal, I have uploaded what I have at:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5eriw81dh4ua8we/uRBc8REqjI

1. Gautama with Vatsyayana alone (complete).
2. Gautama with Vatsyayana and Udayana, adhy?ya 3 only.

Tim Lubin

From: Mrinal Kaul <mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com<mailto:mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com>>
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 19:12:05 +0200
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of English Translation of the Ny?yas?tra and Bh??ya

Dear All,

I would highly appreciate if someone could share with me the PDFs of the following two titles off-list or send me the links wherefrom I can download them. My efforts have been in vain.

1. Ny?ya Philosophy : literal translation of Gautama's "Ny?ya-s?tra" and V?tsy?yana's bh??ya, along with a free and abridged translation of the "Elucidation" by Mah?mahop?dhy?ya Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g? ?with a free and abridged translation of the "Elucidation" by Mah?mahop?dhy?ya Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g??a, Eds. Mrinalkanti Gangopadhyaya; Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya; Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g??a; Calcutta : R. Maitra, 1967.

2. The Ny?ya-S?tras of Gautama: with the Bh??ya of V?tsyayana and the V?rtika of Udayana. Translated By: Mahamahopadhyaya Ganganatha Jha.

Thanks in advance and best wishes.

Yours,

Mrinal Kaul


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From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com  Sat May 25 19:02:40 2013
From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Sat, 25 May 13 21:02:40 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_PDF_of_English_Translation_of_the_Ny=C4=81yas=C5=ABtra_and_Bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya?=
In-Reply-To: <CDC68165.173F9%lubint@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <04D1EAE4-7B3F-4E9D-9059-A26D56D06AE8@gmail.com>

Dear Tim Lubin,

Thanks very much indeed for sharing this material. I sincerely appreciate your help. Best wishes.

Yours,

Mrinal

On 2013-05-25, at 8:56 PM, Lubin, Tim wrote:

> Mrinal, I have uploaded what I have at:
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5eriw81dh4ua8we/uRBc8REqjI
> 
> 1. Gautama with Vatsyayana alone (complete).
> 2. Gautama with Vatsyayana and Udayana, adhy?ya 3 only.
> 
> Tim Lubin
> 
> From: Mrinal Kaul <mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 19:12:05 +0200
> To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of English Translation of the Ny?yas?tra and Bh??ya
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I would highly appreciate if someone could share with me the PDFs of the following two titles off-list or send me the links wherefrom I can download them. My efforts have been in vain.
> 
> 1. Ny?ya Philosophy : literal translation of Gautama's "Ny?ya-s?tra" and V?tsy?yana's bh??ya, along with a free and abridged translation of the "Elucidation" by Mah?mahop?dhy?ya Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g? ?with a free and abridged translation of the "Elucidation" by Mah?mahop?dhy?ya Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g??a, Eds. Mrinalkanti Gangopadhyaya; Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya; Pha?ibh??a?a Tarkav?g??a; Calcutta : R. Maitra, 1967.
> 
> 2. The Ny?ya-S?tras of Gautama: with the Bh??ya of V?tsyayana and the V?rtika of Udayana. Translated By: Mahamahopadhyaya Ganganatha Jha.
> 
> Thanks in advance and best wishes.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Mrinal Kaul
> 
> 
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From soni at staff.uni-marburg.de  Mon May 27 09:27:47 2013
From: soni at staff.uni-marburg.de (soni at staff.uni-marburg.de)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 11:27:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] 16th WSC in Bangkok 28 June to 02 July 2015
Message-ID: <20130527112747.Horde.g3_ESoecwTlRoycTShQlABA@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,
The First Call for Papers is now on the website of the IASS:

http://www.sanskritassociation.org/images/pdf/16th-WORLD-SANSKRIT-CONFERENCE.pdf

Please do plan to attend.

With best wishes,

Jay Soni


------------------------------
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Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies
http://www.sanskritassociation.org/
Email: jayandra.soni at sanskritassociation.org
Cc: soni at staff.uni-marburg.de






From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Mon May 27 09:42:35 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 11:42:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <20130527112747.Horde.g3_ESoecwTlRoycTShQlABA@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <51A32A8B.106@pbhome.se>

In 'Indische Studien', vol. 2 (1853), p. 245, Albrecht Weber writes 
about a new manuscript in the 'Chambers collection':

[?] ein neues, sehr sch?nes, aber h?ufig fehlerhaftes Mspt der 
Chambers?schen Sammlung nro. 184, welches auf 226 fol. den H?yanaratna 
?Perle des Jahres? enth?lt, und Samvat 1834 ??ka 1699 d. i. 1777 
geschrieben ist. Der Verfasser des Werkes heisst Balabhadra [?]

He adds that the same work is found in 'Fort Will. nr. 262'. Does anyone 
know the collections to which Weber is referring, and where they (in 
particular, the H?yanarantna MS mentioned above) may be found today?

Many thanks in advance,

Martin Gansten





From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Mon May 27 10:01:22 2013
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rosane Rocher)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 06:01:22 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <51A32A8B.106@pbhome.se>
Message-ID: <51A32EF2.30706@sas.upenn.edu>

The collection of Sir Robert Chambers was acquired by the Berlin Library 
in 1843.

After the closing of Fort William College, most of its collection of 
manuscripts remained in Calcutta in the collections of the Asiatic Society.

Rosane Rocher

On 5/27/13 5:42 AM, Martin Gansten wrote:
> In 'Indische Studien', vol. 2 (1853), p. 245, Albrecht Weber writes 
> about a new manuscript in the 'Chambers collection':
>
> [?] ein neues, sehr sch?nes, aber h?ufig fehlerhaftes Mspt der 
> Chambers?schen Sammlung nro. 184, welches auf 226 fol. den H?yanaratna 
> ?Perle des Jahres? enth?lt, und Samvat 1834 ??ka 1699 d. i. 1777 
> geschrieben ist. Der Verfasser des Werkes heisst Balabhadra [?]
>
> He adds that the same work is found in 'Fort Will. nr. 262'. Does 
> anyone know the collections to which Weber is referring, and where 
> they (in particular, the H?yanarantna MS mentioned above) may be found 
> today?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Martin Gansten
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de  Mon May 27 10:09:25 2013
From: kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 12:09:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for copy of Ejima, Text-critical remarks AKBh 9
Message-ID: <51A330D5.3070008@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de>

Dear colleagues,

does anyone by chance have a PDF of Ejima Yasunori's "Textcritical 
Remarks on the Ninth Chapter of the Abhidharmako?abh??ya", published in 
1987? Several moves around the globe have left me with an incomplete 
copy, unfortunately.

With thanks in advance and best regards,

Birgit Kellner
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Chair in Buddhist Studies
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Asymmetries in Cultural Flows"
University of Heidelberg
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D-69115 Heidelberg
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From dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk  Mon May 27 10:20:59 2013
From: dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk (dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 11:20:59 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNjv2sXwA_Pc2zC6m9YEUjmgJYHM6Fg-84_4RODmWP4KMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A3419B.11398.300797@localhost>

Dear Herman,

Thank you. If the idea is to use human hands and eyes rather than entrust it to OCR 
and other forms of magic, I'd be happy to do my bit.

Dermot (Killingley)

On 25 May 2013 at 7:49, Herman Tull wrote:

> 
> I join others in praising this work, and in suffering owning an
> edition from a less than perfect printing.
> 
> I, too, was thinking of some sort of joint effort. ?In fact, the text
> could even be re-keyed by a group of us (say 40 of us, each taking on
> ten pages). ?If someone is willing to set up a template beforehand,
> the work will be that much easier. ?Here, we should think about making
> the text highly readable for the digital age (format it to the now
> ubiquitous 16:9 computer screen). I do not have the technical skills
> to set up the template, but I would like to hear others thoughts on
> this.
> 
> Herman Tull
> 
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>     For the moment being the following link is to the pdf made from
>     DLI:
> 
>     https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7r04djmedy17gu/SPEIJER%201973%20MLBD%20
>     Sanskrit %20Syntax%20reprint%20%5BDLI%204990010197932%5D%20OCR.pdf
> 
>     This is the MLBD 1973 reprint.
>     I have OCRised it for English.
>     Anybody could OCRise it for NAgarI?
>     Then one just needs to "copy" and "paste".
>     Suppose all people on this list take time to proof-read 5 or 10
>     pages out the approximately 400 pages of the book ... Best.
> 
>     PS: Who else than specialists can correctly proof-read this book?
>     --Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de
>     l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
>     http://ceias.ehess.fr/ http://ceias.ehess.fr/document.php?id=1725
>     http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ Associate member, Centre for the Study
>     of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg)
>     http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html
> 
> 
> 
>     On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:07 PM, <dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk>
>     wrote: I'm another admirer. I have a beautifully printed, sturdily
>     bound and much used Japanese reprint (Rinshen-Shoten Bookstore,
>     Kyoto, 1968). Speyer is so methodical that his statements still
>     make sense despite changes in linguistic theory, so long as you
>     understand his dated, Latin-based terminology; and he balances
>     Paninian prescriptions with observations of actual texts.
> 
>     Dermot Killingley
>     Newcastle
> 
>     On 23 May 2013 at 15:43, Whitney Cox wrote:
> 
>     >
>     > I'm a huge admirer of Speyer's book--I honestly feel like I
>     learn > something new and interesting every single time I open
>     it-- but I do > agree with Chris that it would benefit from
>     re-setting. ??The font in > which the N? gar?? text is set can
>     make for hard reading for those who > aren't used to it: there are
>     many times that I've strongly recommended > it to intermediate
>     students who have found it difficult to make sense > of. ??Also,
>     Speyer doesn't always translate his examples: this isn't a >
>     problem for those with more experience in the language, but the
>     target > audience of language learners are sometimes at a
>     disadvantage, which > is a real shame. > > > On 23 May 2013 15:16,
>     Paul Hackett <ph2046 at columbia.edu> wrote: > ? ? Dear Chris and
>     others, > ? ? ?? I do not know if Speier/Speyer/Speijer's
>     _Sanskrit Syntax_ has > ? ? been re-typeset or not, but there are
>     publications for sale that > ? ? give the impression of a new
>     edition. ??I discovered this when > ? ? attempting to purchase a
>     copy a couple of years ago only to > ? ? discover that some
>     "enterprising" individuals have been data > ? ? mining Google
>     books (and/or possibly the DLI) and selling > ? ? exceptionally
>     poor copies (missing pages, underlining, margin > ? ? notes, etc.)
>     of many books (including??Speijer's) through a > ? ?
>     print-on-demand service as "new books". Just a warning to beware.
>     > > ?? I can say that the 2009 paperback from Motilal is very
>     clean and > readable. best, Paul HackettColumbia University > > >
>     On May 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Wallis wrote: > ? ? Dear
>     Peter and fellow Indologists, > ? ? Does anyone know
>     whether??Speier's original??Sanskrit Syntax has > ? ? been
>     re-typeset or if there are any plans to do this? ??It seems > ? ?
>     quite worthwhile. > > best,?? > Chris Wallis > > > > On 20 May
>     2013 10:52, Peter Scharf <scharfpm7 at gmail.com> wrote: > ? ? Dear
>     colleagues,The History of Linguistic Theory lab. at the > ? ?
>     University of Paris 7, Denis Diderot, will host a seminar on > ? ?
>     Sanskrit syntax 13-15 June. The program begins with a keynote > ?
>     ? address by Professor Emeritus Hans Hock who in 1986 edited the >
>     ? ? volume on Sanskrit syntax in honor of the centennial of
>     Speier's > ? ? Sanskrit Syntax. ??The second day of the program
>     begins with a > ? ? special lecture by George Cardona concerned
>     with contributions of > ? ? Paninian grammar to Sanskrit syntax.
>     ??The afternoon of the 15th > ? ? will include several
>     presentations on the state of image-text > ? ? alignment for
>     Sanskrit manuscripts. ??Please see > ? ? the??announcement??of the
>     seminar and the??full program??under > ? ? Events on the Sanskrit
>     Library website. > Scholars are invited to attend. ??Please
>     register at no cost on the > seminar website. The seminar is
>     sponsored by the??Chaire > Internationale de Recherche Blaise
>     Pascal financ??e par l???Etat et la > R??gion d'Ile-de-France,
>     g??r??e par la Fondation de l???Ecole Normale > Sup??rieure. Yours
>     sincerely,Peter > > Peter M. Scharf, President > The Sanskrit
>     Library > scharf at sanskritlibrary.org > > >
>     ************************************************* > Peter M.
>     Scharf, Ph.D. > Universit?? Paris Diderot > Laboratoire d'Histoire
>     des Th??ories Linguistiques > 5 rue Thomas Mann, Case 7034 > Cedex
>     13 > 75205 Paris > France > 33-1-5727-5742 (phone) >
>     peter.scharf at univ-paris-diderot.fr >
>     ************************************************* > > > > > >
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From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at  Mon May 27 11:32:19 2013
From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 11:32:19 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yves Ramseier - a short obituary
Message-ID: <E08F605D13D6B843B9BA8E3F7582ABDA013FC7A7@w07exdb1.oeaw.ads>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,
I am sad to announce the passing of Yves Ramseier in the early hours last Saturday (19 May 2013). Yves Ramseier was born on 26 July 1956 in Lausanne, Switzerland. After studying Greek and Latin at the Gymnase de la Cit? (Lausanne), he became a student at the University of Lausanne, where he studied Oriental languages (mainly Sanskrit) and civilizations under the guidance of Professors Jacques May and Heinz Zimmermann, who exerted a decisive influence on Ramseier?s intellectual development by arousing his interest in Buddhism and Madhyamaka on the one hand, and in the Sanskrit Grammarians on the other hand. These two areas of interest coalesced around 1985 as the recently graduated Ramseier moved to Kyoto, Japan, in order to study Vyaakara.na under Professor Yutaka Ojihara. Besides working on Pata?jali and especially Bhart.rhari, Ramseier enjoyed life in Japan ? and life tout court, as those who knew him can attest. With his friend Hitomi and his first daughter Kyoko, Ramseier left Japan for Lausanne in 1990, where he became the assistant of Professor Johannes Bronkhorst, who had been appointed Heinz Zimmermann?s successor in 1987. Ramseier started working on a PhD thesis on the Jaatisamudde?sa of Bhart.hari?s Vaakyapadiiya, which unfortunately he never completed. As a young doctoral student he also had to teach classes of elementary Sanskrit for undergraduate students (more precisely ?Travaux pratiques de Sanskrit?), which took place on Thursdays from 5 to 7 p.m., after which he and his students enjoyed frequenting the restaurants and bars of Lausanne, which he knew ?intimately. Ramseier?s five years as an assistant of Professor Bronkhorst are marked by his first (and last) publications as an indologist: ?Bhart.rhari et la nescience? (Asiatische Studien/Etudes Asiatiques 48/4 [1994], pp. 1363-1368), a bibliography, ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari? (pp. 235-268 in Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst [ed]: Bhart.rhari, Philosopher and Grammarian. Proceedings of the First International Conference on Bhart.rhari. Delhi 1994 [Bern 1993]: Motilal Banarsidass), and an index (Johannes Bronkhorst and Yves Ramseier: Word index to the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya: A complete word index to the printed editions of the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya. Delhi 1994: Motilal Banarsidass). After leaving his position as an assistant, Ramseier embarked on Johannes Bronkhorst?s ambitious project (Swiss National Science Foundation) of a critical edition of the Kaa?sikaav.rtti. In spite of the significant number of Sanskrit manuscripts of this text that he helped to discover in India, the project was aborted around 1997. From that time on, Yves Ramseier was no longer active in the Indological field but continued to attend international conferences, to update the online version of his ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari,? and to maintain the innumerable friendships he had made in the field. All those who have had the privilege of being his friends will remember his sharp and provocative intelligence and his deep and empathetic love of people. Yves Ramseier leaves two daughters, Kyoko and Aska, to whom I offer my most sincere condolances ? which I also extend to his friend Carole, who remained close to him until he died. Dors bien, Capitaine!
Vincent Eltschinger





From nrttadevi at yahoo.com  Mon May 27 11:53:21 2013
From: nrttadevi at yahoo.com (Katrin Binder)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 04:53:21 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kannada Summer School Sept. 2013
Message-ID: <1369655601.22352.YahooMailNeo@web122205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Dear list members,?

it is with great pleasure that we announce the third Kannada Summer School to be held at the Chair of Indology, Wuerzburg, Germany, this year. In the attachments, you will find a poster advertising the Summer School, as well as a file with more detailed information. Please circulate the information in your departments.?

Kannada Summer School 2013:
Language and Culture of Karnataka (South India)

The course will provide an introduction into the Kannada Language through an
extensive program combining spoken Kannada with reading, writing and grammar
skills and offers an introduction to the history and culture of the
Kannada-speaking areas of the Indian subcontinent.


The course is taught by experts in
Kannada language and culture: Prof. Dr. Viveka Rai, Dr. Katrin Binder and Sarah
Merkle, M.A.

Date:02. - 14. September
2013
Venue:W?rzburg,
Germany
Cost: There is no course fee. Participants need to cover their travel, accommodation and food costs by themselves. A small donation towards the cost of materials will be expected.

 Please register until 28.07.2013
Contact:
Sarah Merkle, M.A.
Tel.: 0931-31-89924,email: sarah.merkle at uni-wuerzburg.de??


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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Mon May 27 16:53:12 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 11:53:12 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Speijer's Sanskrit Syntax -- the INDOLOGY edition
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN8uf-njtcPQtB-BFLp1Qim-yUSR0+1Mm2wh5wLZQQrx1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

I am pleased to announce the moving forward of the first publication
produced by the members of the INDOLOGY list, the re-formatted version of
Speijer's classic Sanskrit Syntax. This project is, as Dr Wujastyk
suggested, a "proof of concept" for a new era in book publication. We
propose to bring out this publication entirely through our own efforts,
utilizing the resources that have become available in the 21st century
(OCR, cloud computing, affordable print-on-demand, etc.). This experiment
may be a harbinger for the possibility of an "INDOLOGY Press" -- in-house
publications of the work of list members or other scholars approved by list
members (who perform the function of "gatekeeping"). I see no reason why
such a press could not acquire the prestige of any other academic press,
and instead of selling our rights to profit-making entities (e.g.
Springer), we retain our rights and whatever revenues come from our
publications, if any. With print-on-demand, we need not worry about losses,
other than the time we spend, which in a collaborative model will not be an
unreasonable investment.

Our plan is to produce a version of Speijer appealing to graduate students
today and useful for linguists generally. The book will be offered for free
in soft copy and for a reasonable price through print-on-demand. We have
received offers of help with proofreading etc. that are much appreciated,
and we are happy to receive more such offers, especially from those versed
with solving the technical challenges that may crop up.

If I may offer an optimistic benediction: May the success of this
experiment contribute to a revolution in academic publishing that benefits
all us!

best wishes,
Chris Wallis
UC Berkeley


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon May 27 22:22:39 2013
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 27 May 13 18:22:39 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yves Ramseier - a short obituary
In-Reply-To: <E08F605D13D6B843B9BA8E3F7582ABDA013FC7A7@w07exdb1.oeaw.ads>
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This is a very sad news indeed!  ?????????? ??????.

Madhav Deshpande


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Eltschinger, Vincent <
Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at> wrote:

> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
> I am sad to announce the passing of Yves Ramseier in the early hours last
> Saturday (19 May 2013). Yves Ramseier was born on 26 July 1956 in Lausanne,
> Switzerland. After studying Greek and Latin at the Gymnase de la Cit?
> (Lausanne), he became a student at the University of Lausanne, where he
> studied Oriental languages (mainly Sanskrit) and civilizations under the
> guidance of Professors Jacques May and Heinz Zimmermann, who exerted a
> decisive influence on Ramseier?s intellectual development by arousing his
> interest in Buddhism and Madhyamaka on the one hand, and in the Sanskrit
> Grammarians on the other hand. These two areas of interest coalesced around
> 1985 as the recently graduated Ramseier moved to Kyoto, Japan, in order to
> study Vyaakara.na under Professor Yutaka Ojihara. Besides working on
> Pata?jali and especially Bhart.rhari, Ramseier enjoyed life in Japan ? and
> life tout court, as those who knew him can attest. With his friend Hitomi
> and his first daughter Kyoko, Ramseier left Japan for Lausanne in 1990,
> where he became the assistant of Professor Johannes Bronkhorst, who had
> been appointed Heinz Zimmermann?s successor in 1987. Ramseier started
> working on a PhD thesis on the Jaatisamudde?sa of Bhart.hari?s
> Vaakyapadiiya, which unfortunately he never completed. As a young doctoral
> student he also had to teach classes of elementary Sanskrit for
> undergraduate students (more precisely ?Travaux pratiques de Sanskrit?),
> which took place on Thursdays from 5 to 7 p.m., after which he and his
> students enjoyed frequenting the restaurants and bars of Lausanne, which he
> knew  intimately. Ramseier?s five years as an assistant of Professor
> Bronkhorst are marked by his first (and last) publications as an
> indologist: ?Bhart.rhari et la nescience? (Asiatische Studien/Etudes
> Asiatiques 48/4 [1994], pp. 1363-1368), a bibliography, ?Bibliography on
> Bhart.rhari? (pp. 235-268 in Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst [ed]:
> Bhart.rhari, Philosopher and Grammarian. Proceedings of the First
> International Conference on Bhart.rhari. Delhi 1994 [Bern 1993]: Motilal
> Banarsidass), and an index (Johannes Bronkhorst and Yves Ramseier: Word
> index to the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya: A complete word index to the printed
> editions of the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya. Delhi 1994: Motilal Banarsidass).
> After leaving his position as an assistant, Ramseier embarked on Johannes
> Bronkhorst?s ambitious project (Swiss National Science Foundation) of a
> critical edition of the Kaa?sikaav.rtti. In spite of the significant number
> of Sanskrit manuscripts of this text that he helped to discover in India,
> the project was aborted around 1997. From that time on, Yves Ramseier was
> no longer active in the Indological field but continued to attend
> international conferences, to update the online version of his
> ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari,? and to maintain the innumerable friendships
> he had made in the field. All those who have had the privilege of being his
> friends will remember his sharp and provocative intelligence and his deep
> and empathetic love of people. Yves Ramseier leaves two daughters, Kyoko
> and Aska, to whom I offer my most sincere condolances ? which I also extend
> to his friend Carole, who remained close to him until he died. Dors bien,
> Capitaine!
> Vincent Eltschinger
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>



-- 
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA


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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Mon May 27 23:13:13 2013
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Tue, 28 May 13 01:13:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yves Ramseier - a short obituary
In-Reply-To: <E08F605D13D6B843B9BA8E3F7582ABDA013FC7A7@w07exdb1.oeaw.ads>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoC_5mnPiXuWY-BePFJJ+SURiYWm5jPMeTYY_CQvAnC03Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am deeply shocked to learn about the early disappearance of Yves, this
most sympathetic and remarkable personality whom I first got to know when
he was scientific assistant at the Universit? de Lausanne during my stay
there (as PhD student) in 1990-91.

Later on we met again in India when he had already come to Pune to help
prepare "the first international conference on Bhartrhari" organised by
Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst. Apart from practical matters in
connection with the conference he was much occupied with perfecting his
Bibliography on Bhartrhari and tried to make full use of the occasion of
being now in India and finding perhaps rare and unexpected references.

One place, he insisted, was particularly important to check out, and he
wanted me to come with him on this mission: he wanted to know whether
Rajneesh (who had died a few years earlier under the name Osho) had perhaps
occasionally in one of his numerous books referred to Bhartrhari. After
all, Rajneesh had always claimed to have had a good training in philosophy
and his books and speeches were teeming with references to Jesus, Shankara,
Mahatma Gandhi, Gorakhnath, Kabir, Gurdjeff and also Patanjali [but this
must be not the grammarian but the one involved in yoga]. When we finally
found a moment to go the Osho ashram in the Koregaon area of Pune we were
well received in the ashram -- full of "western" followers -- but soon
found out that even the most literary minded among Rajneesh' disciples
could not confirm he had ever read a reference to Bhartrhari. We were ready
to believe him on his word (rather than starting to sift through the pile
of Rajneesh's books that had been made available) and politely declined the
offer to see a filmed speech of Rajneesh on imminent nuclear disasters that
would destroy the world. The end conclusion was that the Bibliography on
Bhartrhari did not need to mention any book of Rajneesh (or Osho).

After the first version of 1993 Yves Ramseier produced an updated and much
extended bibliography on Bhartrhari which was published in Bhartrhari:
Language, Thought and Reality (ed. Mithilesh Chaturvedi), Delhi, 2009.

The Word Index to the Prasastapadabhasya (Delhi, 1994) already mentioned
also contains an "edition" based on 12 existing editions of the
Prasastapadabhasya.

Jan Houben



On 27 May 2013 13:32, Eltschinger, Vincent
<Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at>wrote:

> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
> I am sad to announce the passing of Yves Ramseier in the early hours last
> Saturday (19 May 2013). Yves Ramseier was born on 26 July 1956 in Lausanne,
> Switzerland. After studying Greek and Latin at the Gymnase de la Cit?
> (Lausanne), he became a student at the University of Lausanne, where he
> studied Oriental languages (mainly Sanskrit) and civilizations under the
> guidance of Professors Jacques May and Heinz Zimmermann, who exerted a
> decisive influence on Ramseier?s intellectual development by arousing his
> interest in Buddhism and Madhyamaka on the one hand, and in the Sanskrit
> Grammarians on the other hand. These two areas of interest coalesced around
> 1985 as the recently graduated Ramseier moved to Kyoto, Japan, in order to
> study Vyaakara.na under Professor Yutaka Ojihara. Besides working on
> Pata?jali and especially Bhart.rhari, Ramseier enjoyed life in Japan ? and
> life tout court, as those who knew him can attest. With his friend Hitomi
> and his first daughter Kyoko, Ramseier left Japan for Lausanne in 1990,
> where he became the assistant of Professor Johannes Bronkhorst, who had
> been appointed Heinz Zimmermann?s successor in 1987. Ramseier started
> working on a PhD thesis on the Jaatisamudde?sa of Bhart.hari?s
> Vaakyapadiiya, which unfortunately he never completed. As a young doctoral
> student he also had to teach classes of elementary Sanskrit for
> undergraduate students (more precisely ?Travaux pratiques de Sanskrit?),
> which took place on Thursdays from 5 to 7 p.m., after which he and his
> students enjoyed frequenting the restaurants and bars of Lausanne, which he
> knew  intimately. Ramseier?s five years as an assistant of Professor
> Bronkhorst are marked by his first (and last) publications as an
> indologist: ?Bhart.rhari et la nescience? (Asiatische Studien/Etudes
> Asiatiques 48/4 [1994], pp. 1363-1368), a bibliography, ?Bibliography on
> Bhart.rhari? (pp. 235-268 in Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst [ed]:
> Bhart.rhari, Philosopher and Grammarian. Proceedings of the First
> International Conference on Bhart.rhari. Delhi 1994 [Bern 1993]: Motilal
> Banarsidass), and an index (Johannes Bronkhorst and Yves Ramseier: Word
> index to the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya: A complete word index to the printed
> editions of the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya. Delhi 1994: Motilal Banarsidass).
> After leaving his position as an assistant, Ramseier embarked on Johannes
> Bronkhorst?s ambitious project (Swiss National Science Foundation) of a
> critical edition of the Kaa?sikaav.rtti. In spite of the significant number
> of Sanskrit manuscripts of this text that he helped to discover in India,
> the project was aborted around 1997. From that time on, Yves Ramseier was
> no longer active in the Indological field but continued to attend
> international conferences, to update the online version of his
> ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari,? and to maintain the innumerable friendships
> he had made in the field. All those who have had the privilege of being his
> friends will remember his sharp and provocative intelligence and his deep
> and empathetic love of people. Yves Ramseier leaves two daughters, Kyoko
> and Aska, to whom I offer my most sincere condolances ? which I also extend
> to his friend Carole, who remained close to him until he died. Dors bien,
> Capitaine!
> Vincent Eltschinger
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>



-- 
Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben,
Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ?
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP,
A la Sorbonne,45-47, rue des Ecoles,
75005 Paris -- France.
JEMHouben at gmail.com
www.jyotistoma.nl


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From asko.parpola at helsinki.fi  Tue May 28 07:55:37 2013
From: asko.parpola at helsinki.fi (asko.parpola at helsinki.fi)
Date: Tue, 28 May 13 10:55:37 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help
In-Reply-To: <7E685F1E-03FF-42DA-BAB3-79612F718B5E@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <20130528105537.Horde.VF03cg36K-qNjZ7vLEySKQ1.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi>


Dear Patrick, in the second quote, read ?kto instead of ukto. I could  
not trace the exact source, but this is about the pr?ya?citta mantras,  
bh?r in the case of the RV, bhuva? in the case of the YV, svar in the  
case of the SV, and bh?r bhuva? svar if it not known which Veda is  
concerned. Cf. AB 5,32; KB 6,12; ??S 3,21,1-6; ??v?S 1,12,31-33. Best  
regards, Asko

Quoting Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:

> Friend:
>
> I am trying to identify two citations, one apparently from a sm?ti  
> and the other from a Vedic text. These are found in Vi?var?pa's  
> commentary on the Y?j?avalkya Sm?ti, 1.7 (Trivandrum edition, p.  
> 20). These are cited by an opponent supporting the independent  
> authority of sm?tis: tasm?t sv?tantrya? sm?t?n?m ity uktam. Then  
> follows the citations:
>
> 1. tath? c?ha: "agranthak?n?m arth?n?? cak?ropanibandhanam."
>
> 2. ?mn?ya? ca "yady ukto bh?r" ity?dy upakramya "yaju??as s?mata"  
> ity uktv?, "yady avij??tam" ity ?ha.
>
> Then he cites a samprad?ya: sm?rta? c?vij??tam iti sa?prad?ya?.
>
> Any help in locating these would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Patrick
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info








From malhar at iitb.ac.in  Tue May 28 09:57:12 2013
From: malhar at iitb.ac.in (Malhar Arvind Kulkarni)
Date: Tue, 28 May 13 15:27:12 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yves Ramseier - a short obituary
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoC_5mnPiXuWY-BePFJJ+SURiYWm5jPMeTYY_CQvAnC03Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f64af3473759c1b1505e2c55f8bd720.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in>

Very sad indeed. I met him last in 2010 in Lausanne, when he invited me to
his residence near Boston.

I remember, in 1995, we had jointly started keying in the text of the
Kasikavrtti, I to start from the beginning, he to start from the end. He
said "Let us see where we meet." We met around the beginning of the 5th
chapter.

Malhar Kulkarni.



> I am deeply shocked to learn about the early disappearance of Yves, this
> most sympathetic and remarkable personality whom I first got to know when
> he was scientific assistant at the Universit? de Lausanne during my stay
> there (as PhD student) in 1990-91.
>
> Later on we met again in India when he had already come to Pune to help
> prepare "the first international conference on Bhartrhari" organised by
> Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst. Apart from practical matters in
> connection with the conference he was much occupied with perfecting his
> Bibliography on Bhartrhari and tried to make full use of the occasion of
> being now in India and finding perhaps rare and unexpected references.
>
> One place, he insisted, was particularly important to check out, and he
> wanted me to come with him on this mission: he wanted to know whether
> Rajneesh (who had died a few years earlier under the name Osho) had
> perhaps
> occasionally in one of his numerous books referred to Bhartrhari. After
> all, Rajneesh had always claimed to have had a good training in philosophy
> and his books and speeches were teeming with references to Jesus,
> Shankara,
> Mahatma Gandhi, Gorakhnath, Kabir, Gurdjeff and also Patanjali [but this
> must be not the grammarian but the one involved in yoga]. When we finally
> found a moment to go the Osho ashram in the Koregaon area of Pune we were
> well received in the ashram -- full of "western" followers -- but soon
> found out that even the most literary minded among Rajneesh' disciples
> could not confirm he had ever read a reference to Bhartrhari. We were
> ready
> to believe him on his word (rather than starting to sift through the pile
> of Rajneesh's books that had been made available) and politely declined
> the
> offer to see a filmed speech of Rajneesh on imminent nuclear disasters
> that
> would destroy the world. The end conclusion was that the Bibliography on
> Bhartrhari did not need to mention any book of Rajneesh (or Osho).
>
> After the first version of 1993 Yves Ramseier produced an updated and much
> extended bibliography on Bhartrhari which was published in Bhartrhari:
> Language, Thought and Reality (ed. Mithilesh Chaturvedi), Delhi, 2009.
>
> The Word Index to the Prasastapadabhasya (Delhi, 1994) already mentioned
> also contains an "edition" based on 12 existing editions of the
> Prasastapadabhasya.
>
> Jan Houben
>
>
>
> On 27 May 2013 13:32, Eltschinger, Vincent
> <Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at>wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>> I am sad to announce the passing of Yves Ramseier in the early hours
>> last
>> Saturday (19 May 2013). Yves Ramseier was born on 26 July 1956 in
>> Lausanne,
>> Switzerland. After studying Greek and Latin at the Gymnase de la Cit?
>> (Lausanne), he became a student at the University of Lausanne, where he
>> studied Oriental languages (mainly Sanskrit) and civilizations under the
>> guidance of Professors Jacques May and Heinz Zimmermann, who exerted a
>> decisive influence on Ramseier?s intellectual development by arousing
>> his
>> interest in Buddhism and Madhyamaka on the one hand, and in the Sanskrit
>> Grammarians on the other hand. These two areas of interest coalesced
>> around
>> 1985 as the recently graduated Ramseier moved to Kyoto, Japan, in order
>> to
>> study Vyaakara.na under Professor Yutaka Ojihara. Besides working on
>> Pata?jali and especially Bhart.rhari, Ramseier enjoyed life in Japan ?
>> and
>> life tout court, as those who knew him can attest. With his friend
>> Hitomi
>> and his first daughter Kyoko, Ramseier left Japan for Lausanne in 1990,
>> where he became the assistant of Professor Johannes Bronkhorst, who had
>> been appointed Heinz Zimmermann?s successor in 1987. Ramseier started
>> working on a PhD thesis on the Jaatisamudde?sa of Bhart.hari?s
>> Vaakyapadiiya, which unfortunately he never completed. As a young
>> doctoral
>> student he also had to teach classes of elementary Sanskrit for
>> undergraduate students (more precisely ?Travaux pratiques de Sanskrit?),
>> which took place on Thursdays from 5 to 7 p.m., after which he and his
>> students enjoyed frequenting the restaurants and bars of Lausanne, which
>> he
>> knew  intimately. Ramseier?s five years as an assistant of Professor
>> Bronkhorst are marked by his first (and last) publications as an
>> indologist: ?Bhart.rhari et la nescience? (Asiatische Studien/Etudes
>> Asiatiques 48/4 [1994], pp. 1363-1368), a bibliography, ?Bibliography on
>> Bhart.rhari? (pp. 235-268 in Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst [ed]:
>> Bhart.rhari, Philosopher and Grammarian. Proceedings of the First
>> International Conference on Bhart.rhari. Delhi 1994 [Bern 1993]: Motilal
>> Banarsidass), and an index (Johannes Bronkhorst and Yves Ramseier: Word
>> index to the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya: A complete word index to the
>> printed
>> editions of the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya. Delhi 1994: Motilal
>> Banarsidass).
>> After leaving his position as an assistant, Ramseier embarked on
>> Johannes
>> Bronkhorst?s ambitious project (Swiss National Science Foundation) of a
>> critical edition of the Kaa?sikaav.rtti. In spite of the significant
>> number
>> of Sanskrit manuscripts of this text that he helped to discover in
>> India,
>> the project was aborted around 1997. From that time on, Yves Ramseier
>> was
>> no longer active in the Indological field but continued to attend
>> international conferences, to update the online version of his
>> ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari,? and to maintain the innumerable
>> friendships
>> he had made in the field. All those who have had the privilege of being
>> his
>> friends will remember his sharp and provocative intelligence and his
>> deep
>> and empathetic love of people. Yves Ramseier leaves two daughters, Kyoko
>> and Aska, to whom I offer my most sincere condolances ? which I also
>> extend
>> to his friend Carole, who remained close to him until he died. Dors
>> bien,
>> Capitaine!
>> Vincent Eltschinger
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>
>
>
>
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> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP,
> A la Sorbonne,45-47, rue des Ecoles,
> 75005 Paris -- France.
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From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Tue May 28 19:52:08 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Tue, 28 May 13 21:52:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <51A32EF2.30706@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <51A50AE8.8020800@pbhome.se>

Thank you, Rosane. Would you, or any other list member, happen to know 
who would be the best person in Berlin to contact for help with locating 
a particular MS from the Chambers collection? A web search left me clueless.

Thanks,
Martin


Rosane Rocher skrev 2013-05-27 12:01:
> The collection of Sir Robert Chambers was acquired by the Berlin Library
> in 1843.
>
> After the closing of Fort William College, most of its collection of
> manuscripts remained in Calcutta in the collections of the Asiatic Society.
>
> Rosane Rocher






From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Tue May 28 23:24:44 2013
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rosane Rocher)
Date: Tue, 28 May 13 19:24:44 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <51A50AE8.8020800@pbhome.se>
Message-ID: <51A53CBC.6070702@sas.upenn.edu>

I am sorry.  I only know the history of the collection.  I have had 
occasion to read former Fort William College Sanskrit MSS in the Asiatic 
Society in Calcutta, but not Chambers or any other MSS in Berlin.

Best wishes for success,
Rosane

On 5/28/13 3:52 PM, Martin Gansten wrote:
> Thank you, Rosane. Would you, or any other list member, happen to know 
> who would be the best person in Berlin to contact for help with 
> locating a particular MS from the Chambers collection? A web search 
> left me clueless.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin
>
>
> Rosane Rocher skrev 2013-05-27 12:01:
>> The collection of Sir Robert Chambers was acquired by the Berlin Library
>> in 1843.
>>
>> After the closing of Fort William College, most of its collection of
>> manuscripts remained in Calcutta in the collections of the Asiatic 
>> Society.
>>
>> Rosane Rocher
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>






From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue May 28 23:30:57 2013
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 28 May 13 19:30:57 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <51A53CBC.6070702@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd2pavEVxSeq6jJC=sgE77tn=0H3iC54M+92oVQBXbLkA@mail.gmail.com>

If I remember correctly, I obtained photographs of a manuscript of the
?aunak?ya Catur?dhy?yik? from the Chambers' Collection from
Staatsbibliothek Prussischer Kulturbesitz in Berlin.  This happened
probably some thirty years ago, but I am sure you can contact them to find
out about the current availability of manuscript-photographs.

Madhav Deshpande


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Rosane Rocher <rrocher at sas.upenn.edu>wrote:

> I am sorry.  I only know the history of the collection.  I have had
> occasion to read former Fort William College Sanskrit MSS in the Asiatic
> Society in Calcutta, but not Chambers or any other MSS in Berlin.
>
> Best wishes for success,
> Rosane
>
> On 5/28/13 3:52 PM, Martin Gansten wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Rosane. Would you, or any other list member, happen to know
>> who would be the best person in Berlin to contact for help with locating a
>> particular MS from the Chambers collection? A web search left me clueless.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Rosane Rocher skrev 2013-05-27 12:01:
>>
>>> The collection of Sir Robert Chambers was acquired by the Berlin Library
>>> in 1843.
>>>
>>> After the closing of Fort William College, most of its collection of
>>> manuscripts remained in Calcutta in the collections of the Asiatic
>>> Society.
>>>
>>> Rosane Rocher
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
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From vglyssenko at yandex.ru  Wed May 29 05:40:02 2013
From: vglyssenko at yandex.ru (Viktoria Lyssenko)
Date: Wed, 29 May 13 09:40:02 +0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd:  Yves Ramseier - a short obituary
In-Reply-To: <711511369719281@web24d.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <719901369806002@web29f.yandex.ru>




Yves was a true erudite, a perfectionist in his research and a helpful friend. His contribution to the Vaisheshika and Bhartrhari Studies is not so voluminous but ?very significant. We met in Paris and after that corresponded for some years. It is ?sad that he passed away so early!
Victoria Lysenko
Institute of Philosophy
Russian Academy of Sciences

28.05.2013, 01:20, "Eltschinger, Vincent" <Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at>:

> ?Dear Friends and Colleagues,
> ?I am sad to announce the passing of Yves Ramseier in the early hours last Saturday (19 May 2013). Yves Ramseier was born on 26 July 1956 in Lausanne, Switzerland. After studying Greek and Latin at the Gymnase de la Cit? (Lausanne), he became a student at the University of Lausanne, where he studied Oriental languages (mainly Sanskrit) and civilizations under the guidance of Professors Jacques May and Heinz Zimmermann, who exerted a decisive influence on Ramseier?s intellectual development by arousing his interest in Buddhism and Madhyamaka on the one hand, and in the Sanskrit Grammarians on the other hand. These two areas of interest coalesced around 1985 as the recently graduated Ramseier moved to Kyoto, Japan, in order to study Vyaakara.na under Professor Yutaka Ojihara. Besides working on Pata?jali and especially Bhart.rhari, Ramseier enjoyed life in Japan ? and life tout court, as those who knew him can attest. With his friend Hitomi and his first daughter Kyoko, Ramseier left Japan for Lausanne in 1990, where he became the assistant of Professor Johannes Bronkhorst, who had been appointed Heinz Zimmermann?s successor in 1987. Ramseier started working on a PhD thesis on the Jaatisamudde?sa of Bhart.hari?s Vaakyapadiiya, which unfortunately he never completed. As a young doctoral student he also had to teach classes of elementary Sanskrit for undergraduate students (more precisely ?Travaux pratiques de Sanskrit?), which took place on Thursdays from 5 to 7 p.m., after which he and his students enjoyed frequenting the restaurants and bars of Lausanne, which he knew ?intimately. Ramseier?s five years as an assistant of Professor Bronkhorst are marked by his first (and last) publications as an indologist: ?Bhart.rhari et la nescience? (Asiatische Studien/Etudes Asiatiques 48/4 [1994], pp. 1363-1368), a bibliography, ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari? (pp. 235-268 in Saroja Bhate and Johannes Bronkhorst [ed]: Bhart.rhari, Philosopher and Grammarian. Proceedings of the First International Conference on Bhart.rhari. Delhi 1994 [Bern 1993]: Motilal Banarsidass), and an index (Johannes Bronkhorst and Yves Ramseier: Word index to the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya: A complete word index to the printed editions of the Pra?sastapaadabhaa.sya. Delhi 1994: Motilal Banarsidass). After leaving his position as an assistant, Ramseier embarked on Johannes Bronkhorst?s ambitious project (Swiss National Science Foundation) of a critical edition of the Kaa?sikaav.rtti. In spite of the significant number of Sanskrit manuscripts of this text that he helped to discover in India, the project was aborted around 1997. From that time on, Yves Ramseier was no longer active in the Indological field but continued to attend international conferences, to update the online version of his ?Bibliography on Bhart.rhari,? and to maintain the innumerable friendships he had made in the field. All those who have had the privilege of being his friends will remember his sharp and provocative intelligence and his deep and empathetic love of people. Yves Ramseier leaves two daughters, Kyoko and Aska, to whom I offer my most sincere condolances ? which I also extend to his friend Carole, who remained close to him until he died. Dors bien, Capitaine!
> ?Vincent Eltschinger
>
> ?_______________________________________________
> ?INDOLOGY mailing list
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-------- ?????????? ????????????? ????????? --------



From tautaatita at s8.spaaqs.ne.jp  Wed May 29 10:23:07 2013
From: tautaatita at s8.spaaqs.ne.jp (tautaatita at s8.spaaqs.ne.jp)
Date: Wed, 29 May 13 19:23:07 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help
In-Reply-To: <20130528105537.Horde.VF03cg36K-qNjZ7vLEySKQ1.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi>
Message-ID: <20130529102307.00007D68.0150@s8.spaaqs.ne.jp>


;Sabarasvaamin quotes ?yady .rkto yaj;na aartim iyaat, bhuu.h svaaheti 
gaarhapatye juhuyaat, ? yady avij;naato bhuur bhuva.h sva.h svaahety 
aahavaniiya eva? in his commentary on Mimamsasutra 12.3.16: ?praaya;
scitte.su ca??

James Benson collects several ;sruti-sources of this quotation in his 
marvelous work,  Mahadeva Vedantin, Mimamsanyayasamgraha, Harrassowitz 
Verlag: Wiesbaden 2010, p.317, n. 73. In particular, he refers to AB 5.
34.4, which is more approximate than AB 5.32.5.

Best regards

Kiyotaka Yoshimizu

Faculty of Arts and Letters
Tohoku University, Japan
<tantris at sal.tohoku.ac.jp>

----- Original Message -----
> 
> Dear Patrick, in the second quote, read ?kto instead of ukto. I could  
> not trace the exact source, but this is about the pr?ya?citta mantras, 
 
> bh?r in the case of the RV, bhuva? in the case of the YV, svar in the  
> case of the SV, and bh?r bhuva? svar if it not known which Veda is  
> concerned. Cf. AB 5,32; KB 6,12; ??S 3,21,1-6; ??v?S 1,12,31-33. Best  
> regards, Asko
> 
> Quoting Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:
> 
> > Friend:
> >
> > I am trying to identify two citations, one apparently from a sm?ti  
> > and the other from a Vedic text. These are found in Vi?var?pa's  
> > commentary on the Y?j?avalkya Sm?ti, 1.7 (Trivandrum edition, p.  
> > 20). These are cited by an opponent supporting the independent  
> > authority of sm?tis: tasm?t sv?tantrya? sm?t?n?m ity uktam. Then  
> > follows the citations:
> >
> > 1. tath? c?ha: "agranthak?n?m arth?n?? cak?ropanibandhanam."
> >
> > 2. ?mn?ya? ca "yady ukto bh?r" ity?dy upakramya "yaju??as s?mata"  
> > ity uktv?, "yady avij??tam" ity ?ha.
> >
> > Then he cites a samprad?ya: sm?rta? c?vij??tam iti sa?prad?ya?.
> >
> > Any help in locating these would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > Patrick
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 
> 
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From jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu  Wed May 29 12:25:59 2013
From: jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Wed, 29 May 13 07:25:59 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help
In-Reply-To: <20130529102307.00007D68.0150@s8.spaaqs.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <3C7AC27D-C1A7-409E-9F36-DA99CF783B11@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

Thank you, Kiytaka, for this reference. I will check out Jim's entries. With thanks and best wishes,


Patrick



On May 29, 2013, at 5:23 AM, <tautaatita at s8.spaaqs.ne.jp> wrote:

> 
> ;Sabarasvaamin quotes ?yady .rkto yaj;na aartim iyaat, bhuu.h svaaheti 
> gaarhapatye juhuyaat, ? yady avij;naato bhuur bhuva.h sva.h svaahety 
> aahavaniiya eva? in his commentary on Mimamsasutra 12.3.16: ?praaya;
> scitte.su ca??
> 
> James Benson collects several ;sruti-sources of this quotation in his 
> marvelous work,  Mahadeva Vedantin, Mimamsanyayasamgraha, Harrassowitz 
> Verlag: Wiesbaden 2010, p.317, n. 73. In particular, he refers to AB 5.
> 34.4, which is more approximate than AB 5.32.5.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Kiyotaka Yoshimizu
> 
> Faculty of Arts and Letters
> Tohoku University, Japan
> <tantris at sal.tohoku.ac.jp>
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> Dear Patrick, in the second quote, read ?kto instead of ukto. I could  
>> not trace the exact source, but this is about the pr?ya?citta mantras, 
> 
>> bh?r in the case of the RV, bhuva? in the case of the YV, svar in the  
>> case of the SV, and bh?r bhuva? svar if it not known which Veda is  
>> concerned. Cf. AB 5,32; KB 6,12; ??S 3,21,1-6; ??v?S 1,12,31-33. Best  
>> regards, Asko
>> 
>> Quoting Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>:
>> 
>>> Friend:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to identify two citations, one apparently from a sm?ti  
>>> and the other from a Vedic text. These are found in Vi?var?pa's  
>>> commentary on the Y?j?avalkya Sm?ti, 1.7 (Trivandrum edition, p.  
>>> 20). These are cited by an opponent supporting the independent  
>>> authority of sm?tis: tasm?t sv?tantrya? sm?t?n?m ity uktam. Then  
>>> follows the citations:
>>> 
>>> 1. tath? c?ha: "agranthak?n?m arth?n?? cak?ropanibandhanam."
>>> 
>>> 2. ?mn?ya? ca "yady ukto bh?r" ity?dy upakramya "yaju??as s?mata"  
>>> ity uktv?, "yady avij??tam" ity ?ha.
>>> 
>>> Then he cites a samprad?ya: sm?rta? c?vij??tam iti sa?prad?ya?.
>>> 
>>> Any help in locating these would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Patrick
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
> _______________________________________________
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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Wed May 29 22:04:53 2013
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Michael Witzel)
Date: Thu, 30 May 13 07:04:53 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd2pavEVxSeq6jJC=sgE77tn=0H3iC54M+92oVQBXbLkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEC9B733-780D-41EF-8AA7-1B0F9E210D74@fas.harvard.edu>

You can try with the director of the Orient section of the Staatsbibliothek (former Royal Prussian Library), 
Hartmut-Ortwin Feistel, but I think he has since retired:

h-o.feistel AT sbb.spk-berlin.de

Or, perhaps better, try Gerhard Ehlers at the Academy; he is heavily involved with the description ofStaatsbibliotkek's Staatsbibliotek's Indian MSS:

Gerhard Ehlers <gerhard.ehlers  AT sbb.spk-berlin.de>


M.WItzel

On May 29, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Madhav Deshpande wrote:

> If I remember correctly, I obtained photographs of a manuscript of the ?aunak?ya Catur?dhy?yik? from the Chambers' Collection from Staatsbibliothek Prussischer Kulturbesitz in Berlin.  This happened probably some thirty years ago, but I am sure you can contact them to find out about the current availability of manuscript-photographs.
> 
> Madhav Deshpande
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Rosane Rocher <rrocher at sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
> I am sorry.  I only know the history of the collection.  I have had occasion to read former Fort William College Sanskrit MSS in the Asiatic Society in Calcutta, but not Chambers or any other MSS in Berlin.
> 
> Best wishes for success,
> Rosane
> 
> On 5/28/13 3:52 PM, Martin Gansten wrote:
> Thank you, Rosane. Would you, or any other list member, happen to know who would be the best person in Berlin to contact for help with locating a particular MS from the Chambers collection? A web search left me clueless.
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin
> 
> 
> Rosane Rocher skrev 2013-05-27 12:01:
> The collection of Sir Robert Chambers was acquired by the Berlin Library
> in 1843.
> 
> After the closing of Fort William College, most of its collection of
> manuscripts remained in Calcutta in the collections of the Asiatic Society.
> 
> Rosane Rocher
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
> The University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> http://listinfo.indology.info

> ============
> Michael Witzel
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit &
> Director of Graduate Studies,
> Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University
> 1 Bow Street,
> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
> 
> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, fax 617 - 496 8571;
> my direct line:  617- 496 2990










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From martin.gansten at pbhome.se  Thu May 30 06:15:36 2013
From: martin.gansten at pbhome.se (Martin Gansten)
Date: Thu, 30 May 13 08:15:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <EEC9B733-780D-41EF-8AA7-1B0F9E210D74@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <51A6EE88.4060003@pbhome.se>

Many thanks to all who replied, on and off the list, with helpful 
advice. I have tried a couple of the addresses mentioned and am waiting 
for a response.

Incidentally, the replies of Madhav Deshpande and Rosane Rocher below 
never reached me: I became aware of them only through their being quoted 
in Michael Witzel's post. I don't know why this should be -- could list 
administrators shed any light? Perhaps there have been other replies, 
too, that I have missed?

Martin Gansten


Michael Witzel skrev 2013-05-30 00:04:
> You can try with the director of the Orient section of the
> Staatsbibliothek (former Royal Prussian Library),
> Hartmut-Ortwin Feistel, but I think he has since retired:
>
> h-o.feistel AT sbb.spk-berlin.de <http://sbb.spk-berlin.de>
>
> Or, perhaps better, try Gerhard Ehlers at the Academy; he is heavily
> involved with the description ofStaatsbibliotkek's Staatsbibliotek's
> Indian MSS:
>
> Gerhard Ehlers <gerhard.ehlers  AT sbb.spk-berlin.de
> <http://sbb.spk-berlin.de>>
>
>
> M.WItzel
>
> On May 29, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Madhav Deshpande wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly, I obtained photographs of a manuscript of the
>> ?aunak?ya Catur?dhy?yik? from the Chambers' Collection from
>> Staatsbibliothek Prussischer Kulturbesitz in Berlin.  This happened
>> probably some thirty years ago, but I am sure you can contact them to
>> find out about the current availability of manuscript-photographs.
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Rosane Rocher <rrocher at sas.upenn.edu
>> <mailto:rrocher at sas.upenn.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     I am sorry.  I only know the history of the collection.  I have
>>     had occasion to read former Fort William College Sanskrit MSS in
>>     the Asiatic Society in Calcutta, but not Chambers or any other MSS
>>     in Berlin.
>>
>>     Best wishes for success,
>>     Rosane







From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May 31 14:37:31 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 31 May 13 16:37:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chambers MS collection?
In-Reply-To: <51A6EE88.4060003@pbhome.se>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdkwZkg80md6qdgvVSqJ60O8GO_EFu6tP3+Q-3fFMwALA@mail.gmail.com>

On 30 May 2013 08:15, Martin Gansten <martin.gansten at pbhome.se> wrote:


> Incidentally, the replies of Madhav Deshpande and Rosane Rocher below
> never reached me: I became aware of them only through their being quoted in
> Michael Witzel's post. I don't know why this should be -- could list
> administrators shed any light? Perhaps there have been other replies, too,
> that I have missed?
>

This is an issue with your email client or local mail delivery system.

Anyone in doubt about what is being posted to the list can simply check the
public list archive.

Best,
Dominik
INDOLOGY committee.
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From wc3 at soas.ac.uk  Fri May 31 15:01:01 2013
From: wc3 at soas.ac.uk (Whitney Cox)
Date: Fri, 31 May 13 10:01:01 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] publication announcement
Message-ID: <CAMg1_hORfoKW1gA04tPjm42dAf=91iUEPY1pWYmgpOLLT5vr7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends and colleagues,

I would like to draw your attention to the most recent number (vol. 50, no.
2) of the Indian Economic and Social History Review, a special issue
devoted to Kalha?a's R?jatara?gi?? and its successors.   It may be of
interest to some members of the list,

Yours, with best wishes,

Whitney

http://ier.sagepub.com/content/current

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Dr. Whitney Cox
Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
SOAS, University of London
Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
London WC1H 0XG


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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Fri May 31 15:54:04 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Fri, 31 May 13 10:54:04 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] publication announcement
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Message-ID: <CAM3HWN9-Z0QfRN_evszxcDUR7_EVJ8JVSJCwjMFu+LDcvxWXFw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, that looks great!  Too bad I can't afford $25 per article.

best,
Chris


On 31 May 2013 10:01, Whitney Cox <wc3 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear friends and colleagues,
>
> I would like to draw your attention to the most recent number (vol. 50,
> no. 2) of the Indian Economic and Social History Review, a special issue
> devoted to Kalha?a's R?jatara?gi?? and its successors.   It may be of
> interest to some members of the list,
>
> Yours, with best wishes,
>
> Whitney
>
> http://ier.sagepub.com/content/current
>
> --
>
>
> Dr. Whitney Cox
> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit
> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia,
> SOAS, University of London
> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square
> London WC1H 0XG
>
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> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Fri May 31 16:27:35 2013
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Fri, 31 May 13 18:27:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Madhva / Mbh
In-Reply-To: <51A8CF23.6000503@uni-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <51A8CF77.7090504@uni-muenchen.de>

[Sorry for this belated response, which I apparently never sent.] I 
haven?t made any thorough comparative study of the two redactions of 
Madhva?s Sarvam?lagranthas, but repeatedly in my reading I noticed that 
when Madhva?s text in its pracalitap??ha form looks self-contradictory, 
the m?lap??ha does not contain the contradiction. The differences can be 
small but dramatic (like not omitting a ?na?, or having the verb in the 
passive instead of the active mode). I remember how in some places the 
one or the other p??ha would contain words or phrases which the other 
one did not have.

Foolishly, I did not note down any of these details; I merely decided 
that the m?lap??ha is the better (i.e., more straightforward and less 
confusing) version and stuck to that one. But the m?lap??ha edition by 
Bannanje Govindacharya does contain a critical apparatus with frequent 
references to the pracalitap??ha. (N.B.: some university libraries, such 
as the Univ. of Toronto, are fortunate enough to possess a copy of this 
set, but the author is mentioned in the catalogue under the name 
??nandat?rtha?, Madhva?s earlier name, as given on the title pages of 
these volumes, and not under ?Madhva?.)

Howard Resnick wrote:

> Thank you Robert for this valuable information. Perhaps you could
> explain a bit about the type and quality of evidence we have pointing
> to the correct state of the mulapatha and the corrupted state of the
> pracalitapatha.

> Many thanks,

> Howard Resnick