Re: [INDOLOGY] question on Bṛhat sāman

[George Thompson]

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:54 PM, George Thompson <gthomgt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Howard,
>
> There are some useful, non-technical discussions of the brhat and
> rathankara samans in Frits Staal's last book : Discovering the Vedas.
> These samans are prominent in the late RV hymn 1.164, the riddle hymn of
> Dirghatamas, a great late-Vedic poet.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> George
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>> Best
>> Howard
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Dipak Bhattacharya <
>> dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. Resnick,
>> I am sorry that I forgot to reply to your second query. I planned a
>> reply but found little time and then the matter slipped from my mind.. It
>> is more regrettable because in 1984 I had raised the issue of a Brahmana
>> based interpretation of the Vedic ritual against one based on the mantras
>> cited in the Srautasuutras. The Brhat and Rathantara were the illustrations
>> where a Brahmana based interpretation could be misleading. Please see
>> Mythological and ritual symbolism SPB Calcutta 1984:137-138. I caution you
>> that Klaus Mylius wrongly remarked that I had taken the idea of a sutra
>> based interpretation from Renou. You will yourself see the difference from
>> Renou. I have no hesitation in saying that both Mylius (JIP 1989) and Karel
>> Werner (JRAS 1987) were disappointed that they could not determine what I
>> my intention was. I admit my short comings, but your question will be
>> answered.
>> Best
>> DB
>>    *From:* Howard Resnick <hr at IVS.EDU>
>> *To:* "Moore Gerety, Finnian" <fmgerety at fas.harvard.edu>
>> *Cc:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 20 July 2013 4:04 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] question on Bṛhat sāman
>>
>> Finn,
>> Thank you very much for this valuable information. I appreciate it.
>> Best wishes,
>> Howard
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:35 PM, "Moore Gerety, Finnian" <
>> fmgerety at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  Howard--
>> Thanks to the Brāhmaṇa obsession with making
>> correlations/identifications/correspondences, you can get some idea of what
>> the Bṛhat represents in the Veda by examining the entities with which it is
>> correlated. The Bṛhat and Rathantara are treated as a pair in some of these
>> passages, so that you also get an idea of the entities to which each is
>> opposed. For example (PB 7.6.17, trans. Caland): B is the mind, R  voice; B
>> is the melody, R the verse; B is expiration, R is inspiration; B is yonder
>> world, R is this world.
>> Caland's translation of the Pañcaviṃśa-Brāhmaṇa has an index of sāman
>> names, so you can easily find all the passages that mention Bṛhat. The
>> Jaiminīya-Brāhmaṇa also has a lot to say about the Bṛhat; an accessible
>> example is in Caland's *Das Jaiminīya-Brāhmaṇa in Auswahl *§ 25 (p32).
>>
>>  yours,
>> Finn
>>
>>  Finnian Moore Gerety
>> Doctoral Candidate
>> Department of South Asian Studies
>> Harvard University
>>
>>  On 16-Jul-2013, at 3:53 PM, Howard Resnick wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you very much. Do you know why these verses were called the
>> "Great Saman", brhat-saman?
>> Best,
>> Howard
>>
>>  On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya <
>> dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Bṛhat and Rathantara are considered two important sāmans in the Pañcavi
>> ṃśabrāhmaṇa. Bṛhat is based on RV.6.46.1,2. See PB 5.1.10ff,
>> 5.2.1,8.9.11 etc.
>> Best
>>  DB
>>
>>
>>    *From:* Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
>> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 July 2013 3:42 AM
>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] question
>>
>> In Bhagavad-gita 10.35, Krsna says, "Of sAmans, I am bRhat-sAman…"
>>
>> Could someone kindly explain exactly what the bRhat-sAman is?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Howard
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