From palaniappa at aol.com  Thu Aug  1 00:15:22 2013
From: palaniappa at aol.com (palaniappa at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 13 20:15:22 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
In-Reply-To: <03861D86-0C2B-4013-857B-26D1A1970353@berkeley.edu>
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George,


You may want to check out the following posts discussing this poem and agnicayana several years ago.


http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1998-July/013197.html
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1998-July/013217.html
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1998-July/013285.html
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1998-July/013286.html
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1998-July/013320.html
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1998-July/013321.html


I would like to add two additional points in connection with the poem. At least by the 8th century, we see epigraphic evidence of a member of the brahmin-Vaidya family of high royal officials of the P???iyan kingdom having the name Eyi?a?. The family also had eclectic interests. This high status brahmin family seemed to be well-versed in music too. In contrast, brahmins involved in music in the Cilappatik?ram are shown to be living apart.


Last August when I met Mr. Thottam Krishnan Nambudiri in Panjal in Kerala, I brought up this poem as the earliest mention of agnicayana in Tamil texts. At that time Mr. Nambudiri mentioned a Padma Purana story involving the tortoise and sacrifice. He did not recollect the reference. Seeking the reference, I posted the following message in Indology. http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2013-June/038136.html
Since I did not get any response to the post, I suspect it may not be in the Padma Purana. If it is found in any other Purana, I would appreciate the reference.


Thanks


Regards,
Palaniappan


-----Original Message-----
From: George Hart <glhart at berkeley.edu>
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:04 pm
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?


Akan????u 361 (probably dating to the first 2 centuries CE) mentions a sacrifice 
in which a tortoise is placed in a fiery sacrificial pit (tittiyam) for the gods 
"whose flowers do not fade" to eat.  This is also referred to 5 or 6 centuries 
later in the C?vakacint?ma?i (2878).  I have never heard of such a ritual and am 
wondering whether it is mentioned in Sanskrit.  The poem uses the image quite 
beautifully: a man separated from his beloved as he crosses the wilderness to 
get wealth addresses his heart, telling it that it must not think of her and 
must not be like the tortoise in the sacrificial pit longing for its cool, 
shadowed pond.  George Hart
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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 00:44:27 2013
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 13 17:44:27 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
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Dear George,

As a passing reference to the ritual in story literature, see Jambhala-datta's version of the Vetaala-pa;nca-vi.m;sati, story 5, "Three fastidious young brahmans," pp. 46-47 of Emeneu's edition and translation.

ashok




From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Thu Aug  1 05:01:28 2013
From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 13 10:31:28 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
In-Reply-To: <03861D86-0C2B-4013-857B-26D1A1970353@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <51F9EBA8.3000003@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

Dear George,

when I read such passages,
I feel it impossible not to wonder
whether the poet was ALSO expressing COMPASSION
for the tortoise,
given the fact that the human characters in the poem
are imaginary
(and therefore their suffering is unreal?
and we need not bother about it)
whereas we have to believe
that such CRUEL ACTS
as putting a tortoise in that position
must have been REALLY performed,
at least a few times.

-- Jean-Luc (Pondicherry)



On 01/08/2013 02:34, George Hart wrote:
> Akan????u 361 (probably dating to the first 2 centuries CE) mentions a sacrifice in which a tortoise is placed in a fiery sacrificial pit (tittiyam) for the gods "whose flowers do not fade" to eat.  This is also referred to 5 or 6 centuries later in the C?vakacint?ma?i (2878).  I have never heard of such a ritual and am wondering whether it is mentioned in Sanskrit.  The poem uses the image quite beautifully: a man separated from his beloved as he crosses the wilderness to get wealth addresses his heart, telling it that it must not think of her and must not be like the tortoise in the sacrificial pit longing for its cool, shadowed pond.  George Hart
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From glhart at berkeley.edu  Thu Aug  1 18:44:27 2013
From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 13 11:44:27 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
In-Reply-To: <30EE70C3-A340-458C-A6A9-D7FD1D279C3E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E0E0746-A8AC-487B-80A0-A502A294CF6B@berkeley.edu>

Thanks to everyone for intriguing and useful replies. The poem is interesting enough, I think, to quote in its entirety, along with the text (from Project Madurai). I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out the use of words that is the key to the poem.  The original says "flowers that do not char," not "flowers that do not wither," as the commentators would have it, and the gods are described as periy?r, "great ones," probably with sarcastic intent.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.  It is also notable that the sacrifice is likened to the wilderness, a barren, uncivilized place, while the pond from which the tortoise has been taken is compared to the civilized, family life that the hero has left behind.  I would certainly agree with Jean-Luc that our sympathies are supposed to be with the tortoise.  George

361. P?lai

The hero, who has left (the heroine) to go for wealth, speaks to his heart as he is going.



As they dart on her lovely face, the cool, exuberant eyes of my woman

are like dark-petaled waterlily flowers tied together

over the pure flower of a lotus. Her wrists wear fine bangles, her lips are beautiful.

She gets angry if there is even the distance of a thread separating us

when I embrace her ample breasts encircled by a band.	5

But when I told you kindly that there is nothing more wonderful

than knowing the joy of such great passion, you didn?t agree,

O deluded heart so anxious to acquire wealth!

Now, you must not be like the tortoise longing to go

to its wide, shadowed pond after it?s been put in a fiery sacrificial pit	10

as food for the great beings whose flowers never char in the heat.

You must stop thinking of the arms

of our woman whose words are few,

whose teeth are like thorns,

for we have suffered and crossed into the wide wasteland	15

filled with mountains and burning hills.

Eyi?antai Maka??r I?a?k?ra??r

This poem seems to be a subtle but effective put-down of the Vedic sacrifice, perhaps because its author was influenced by Jaina or Buddhist thought.  It is notable that the sacrificial pit with its fire is compared to the wilderness while the tortoise who is about to be burned alive normally lives in a place likened to civilized, family life.



5. ?Band? is v?r, which was apparently tied around the breasts to keep them from sagging, much like a brassiere.

9. ?You must not be? is added.

11. One of the characteristics of the gods in Hinduism is that their garlands never fade.  ?Great beings? is periy?r, ?great ones,? probably used here with sarcastic intent, and ?never char? is kariy?, which the commentaries take as ?unwithering? (even though that is not one of its meanings).  I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out that the commentators seem to have missed the sarcastic intent here.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.




???????? ????? ?????????? ???? 
??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????? 
?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? 
???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????	 5
????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????? 
??????? ????????????? ???????????? ?????? 
??????? ??????? ??????? ????????
?????????? ????? ????? ??????!-
??????? ?????? ???????? ??	 10
?????? ????????? ?????? ???? 
??????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? 
???????? ???????? ????? ??????????????
???????? ????? ????- ?????? 
??????? ????????? ?????????? 
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From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  2 01:08:42 2013
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 13 18:08:42 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] petition to keep Greek in Swiss secondary schools
Message-ID: <1375405722.94714.YahooMailNeo@web163005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Some of us may be sympathetic to this petition, which I have signed, for another "classical language."
?
I had odd problems copying the message, so I hope it posts clearly.
?
Allen
?
?
?
APA Blog 
?
President?s Message about Greek in Switzerland 
We are posting a call for signatures to a petition launched by our colleagues in Bern, Switzerland, and circulated by Prof. Thomas Sp?th, the President of the Swiss Association of Classical Philologists.  As you will see from the message, the canton of Bern is proposing to abolish the study of Greek (and Russian) in high schools.  This is a bad enough step in itself, but if successful it may start a domino effect and make the other cantons consider the abolition of Greek as well.  We thought this was an important petition to draw to your attention, and we urge members to read the message and to consider signing the petition. 
?
Denis Feeney 
?
Liebe KolligInen, 
?
vor zehn Tagen ist der "Bericht des Regierungsrates an den Grossen Rat" des Kantons Bern ver?ffentlicht worden, der unter dem Titel "Angebots- und Struktur?berpr?fung" ein allgemeines Sparprogramm vorsieht. Vorgesehen ist unter anderem, dass ab 2014 das Schwerpunktfach Griechisch (und im ?brigen auch das Schwerpunktfach Russisch) an den Berner Gymnasien nicht mehr angeboten werden soll -- mit der Streichung der zwei F?cher will der Regierungsrat n?chstes Jahr den l?cherlichen Betrag von CHF 100'000 einsparen. Der Grosse Rat wird im kommenden Herbst ?ber diese Vorlage beraten -- es scheint mir aber wichtig, dass wir unmittelbar darauf reagieren. Der Schweizerische Altphilologenverband hat eine Online-Petition lanciert unter "http://www.philologia.ch/bern/" und ich m?chte Sie gerne bitten, diese Petition zu unterzeichnen und sie in Ihrem Umfeld bekannt zu machen. Das wird ein erster Schritt sein, dem weitere folgen m?ssen -- aber ich erinnere
 gerne daran, dass vor zwei Jahren eine von 17'000 Personen unterzeichnete Petition im Kanton Genf den Lateinunterricht auf der Sekundarstufe erhalten konnte!
?
Mit den besten Gr?ssen 
Thomas Sp?th 
?
Ch?res et chers Coll?gues, 
?
?? il y dix jours, le "Rapport du Consel-ex?cutif au Grand Conseil" du Canton de Berne a ?t? publi? ; sous le titre "Examen des offres et des structures", il propose un programme g?n?ral de r?ductions budg?taires et pr?voit que l'option sp?cifique du grec (et ?galement celle du russe) dans les lyc?es bernois soit supprim?e ? partir de 2014 -- par la suppression des deux langues, le Conseil veut ?conomiser la somme ridicule de CHF 100'000 en 2014. Le Grand Conseil d?lib?rera en automne prochain -- mais il me para?t tr?s important d'y r?agir imm?diatement. L'Association Suisse des Philologues Classiques a lanc? une p?tition en ligne sous l'adresse "http://www.philologia.ch/bern/", et j'aimerais bien vous demander de signer cette p?tition et de la faire circuler dans votre entourage. Cela pourra ?tre un premier pas et nous aurons ? r?fl?chir ? d'autres -- mais rappelons-nous : il y a deux ans, une p?tition sign?
e par 17'000 personnes a r?ussi ? sauver le latin dans le secondaire ? Gen?ve ! 
?
Avec mes salutations tr?s cordiales 
?
Thomas Sp?th 


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From palaniappa at aol.com  Fri Aug  2 03:16:27 2013
From: palaniappa at aol.com (palaniappa at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 13 23:16:27 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
Message-ID: <8D05D45CF75B89D-2164-1BC31@webmail-m248.sysops.aol.com>


George,


There is a fundamental problem with the translation. According to Staal, whom I quoted earlier, (and Mr. Thottam Krishnan Nambudirit, who has participated in Agnicayana) the tortoise is not cooked or burnt as an offering. It is buried under the altar. According to Mr. Nambudiri, the expectation is that the tortoise will burrow out of the earth and go away. Hence we have the story of the tortoise trying to run away from Janaka.


Tortoise are known for their aestivation. They do it when the weather gets unduly hot or cold. In this case, what is different from their natural behavior is that it is buried not of its own volition and possibly out of season. To the extent its bodily mechanisms are not in a mode of hibernation, and it has been captured, separated from its home pond and brought near the sacrificial mound - not pit - it is suffering till it gets out of the burial area, if it manages to do so. But it is not being burnt in the sacrificial fire. So I do not think there is a sarcasm intended here contrasting the uncharred flower against the charred tortoise consumed by the gods.


Tamil commentators who were not familiar with the agnicayana ritual has misinterpreted the poem by having 'tittiyam ma?utta y?mai' instead of 'tittiyam a?utta y?mai'. The tortoise is not 'fed' to the gods, it is only near the sacrificial mound.  


Regards,
Palaniappan




-----Original Message-----
From: George Hart <glhart at berkeley.edu>
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?


Thanks to everyone for intriguing and useful replies. The poem is interesting enough, I think, to quote in its entirety, along with the text (from Project Madurai). I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out the use of words that is the key to the poem.  The original says "flowers that do not char," not "flowers that do not wither," as the commentators would have it, and the gods are described as periy?r, "great ones," probably with sarcastic intent.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.  It is also notable that the sacrifice is likened to the wilderness, a barren, uncivilized place, while the pond from which the tortoise has been taken is compared to the civilized, family life that the hero has left behind.  I would certainly agree with Jean-Luc that our sympathies are supposed to be with the tortoise.  George


361. P?lai
The hero, who has left (the heroine) to go for wealth, speaks to his heart as he is going.


As they dart on her lovely face, the cool, exuberant eyes of my woman
are like dark-petaled waterlily flowers tied together
over the pure flower of a lotus. Her wrists wear fine bangles, her lips are beautiful.
She gets angry if there is even the distance of a thread separating us
when I embrace her ample breasts encircled by a band.	5
But when I told you kindly that there is nothing more wonderful
than knowing the joy of such great passion, you didn?t agree,
O deluded heart so anxious to acquire wealth!
Now, you must not be like the tortoise longing to go
to its wide, shadowed pond after it?s been put in a fiery sacrificial pit	10
as food for the great beings whose flowers never char in the heat.
You must stop thinking of the arms
of our woman whose words are few,
whose teeth are like thorns,
for we have suffered and crossed into the wide wasteland	15
filled with mountains and burning hills.
Eyi?antai Maka??r I?a?k?ra??r
This poem seems to be a subtle but effective put-down of the Vedic sacrifice, perhaps because its author was influenced by Jaina or Buddhist thought.  It is notable that the sacrificial pit with its fire is compared to the wilderness while the tortoise who is about to be burned alive normally lives in a place likened to civilized, family life.


5. ?Band? is v?r, which was apparently tied around the breasts to keep them from sagging, much like a brassiere.
9. ?You must not be? is added.
11. One of the characteristics of the gods in Hinduism is that their garlands never fade.  ?Great beings? is periy?r, ?great ones,? probably used here with sarcastic intent, and ?never char? is kariy?, which the commentaries take as ?unwithering? (even though that is not one of its meanings).  I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out that the commentators seem to have missed the sarcastic intent here.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.







???????? ????? ?????????? ???? 
??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????? 
?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? 
???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????	 5
????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????? 
??????? ????????????? ???????????? ?????? 
??????? ??????? ??????? ????????
?????????? ????? ????? ??????!-
??????? ?????? ???????? ??	 10
?????? ????????? ?????? ???? 
??????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? 
???????? ???????? ????? ??????????????
???????? ????? ????- ?????? 
??????? ????????? ?????????? 
?????? ??? ???????? ????!	 16


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From narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org  Fri Aug  2 07:21:33 2013
From: narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org (Narenderan)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 13 12:51:33 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Study on JAOS
Message-ID: <51FB5DFD.5060004@ifpindia.org>

Dear Sir,

I am interested to study on /indologists impact on Journal of the 
American Oriental Society for the period of 2003 to 2012/.
Apart from WoS, is anybody come across literature on this subject? 
Kindly let me know.

Thanks

-- 
Narenthiran. R
Librarian
French Institute of Pondicherry
11, Saint Louis Street
P.B.33, Pondicherry 605001



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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 08:07:32 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 13 10:07:32 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Why digital humanists should get out of textual	scholarship"
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdiG_Hcw5LvT2VieMvgvUk0oxFAiA40E903niDKwtL_-w@mail.gmail.com>

If you are interested in making critical editions, I warmly recommend the
following conference presentation by Peter Robinson, as an iconoclastic and
stimulating read.  It's only 4.5 pages, but makes crucial points.

"What digital humanists don?t know about scholarly editing; what
scholarly editors
don?t know about the digital world."

   -
   http://www.academia.edu/4124828/SDSE_2013_why_digital_humanists_should_get_out_of_textual_scholarship
   - (the slides:
   http://www.slideshare.net/PeterRobinson10/peter-robinson-24420126)




"An edition is an argument about a text."

Dominik


--
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies<http://stb.univie.ac.at>
,
University of Vienna,
Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1
1090 Vienna, Austria
and
Adjunct Professor,
Division of Health and Humanities,
St. John's Research Institute, <http://www.sjri.res.in/> Bangalore, India.
Project <http://www.istb.univie.ac.at/caraka/> | home
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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Fri Aug  2 08:10:08 2013
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 13 08:10:08 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
In-Reply-To: <6E0E0746-A8AC-487B-80A0-A502A294CF6B@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C6504FC69EA@SPMXM04.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>

Earlier I tried to send the mail below to the list, but I think that it went only to Dr. Palaniappan. Therefore I try again. H.T.

Dear Professor Hart,
I am not sure if you have properly understood Akananuru 361. In paraphrase: in the poem a traveler is speaking to his heart, that is, to himself. When he started on his journey he managed to convince himself that work was more important than love. During his travels, however, his heart/he could think only of his wife. All he wanted was to go back home. Now that he is almost home he can stop wanting and longing for her.

If there is any ?sarcastic intent? involved it concerns the helplessness of the speaker, or rather, the paradoxical situation he finds himself in. As I have argued elsewhere, always look for the paradox (pace the translation of the Sattasa? by Peter Khoroche and me, and my review of Selby's translation of the Ai?ku?un??u; for exact references, go to my website: hermantieken.com). I am unable to follow you where you make the gods (periy?r) the object of sarcasm. Probably, however, that has to do with the fact that you put the Tamil poets and the representatives of the Sanskrit tradition in entirely different, if not opposite, worlds. Poems like the one under discussion only show that this position is untenable. See in this connection my ?Early Tamil poetics between N??ya??stra and R?gam?l?? published in the proceedings of a seminar held a few years back in Cambridge. I am unable to supply the bibliographical details as I have not received ?my? copy of the book as yet.

I am not a specialist of Vedic ritual, but Palaniappan may well be right about the tortoise. Note that according to theN??ya??stra the stage floor, a mimicry of the sacrificial area, may have the form of a tortoise, that is, sloping to the sides. Probably the verb ?ra in the poem does not mean ?eat? but ?be happy, satisfied?, in which case periy?r may well refer to the officiating priests.

Herman Tieken

Herman Tieken
University of Leiden
The Netherlands
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>
________________________________
Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens George Hart [glhart at berkeley.edu]
Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2013 20:44
To: Indology List
Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?

Thanks to everyone for intriguing and useful replies. The poem is interesting enough, I think, to quote in its entirety, along with the text (from Project Madurai). I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out the use of words that is the key to the poem.  The original says "flowers that do not char," not "flowers that do not wither," as the commentators would have it, and the gods are described as periy?r, "great ones," probably with sarcastic intent.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.  It is also notable that the sacrifice is likened to the wilderness, a barren, uncivilized place, while the pond from which the tortoise has been taken is compared to the civilized, family life that the hero has left behind.  I would certainly agree with Jean-Luc that our sympathies are supposed to be with the tortoise.  George


361. P?lai

The hero, who has left (the heroine) to go for wealth, speaks to his heart as he is going.


As they dart on her lovely face, the cool, exuberant eyes of my woman

are like dark-petaled waterlily flowers tied together

over the pure flower of a lotus. Her wrists wear fine bangles, her lips are beautiful.

She gets angry if there is even the distance of a thread separating us

when I embrace her ample breasts encircled by a band. 5

But when I told you kindly that there is nothing more wonderful

than knowing the joy of such great passion, you didn?t agree,

O deluded heart so anxious to acquire wealth!

Now, you must not be like the tortoise longing to go

to its wide, shadowed pond after it?s been put in a fiery sacrificial pit 10

as food for the great beings whose flowers never char in the heat.

You must stop thinking of the arms

of our woman whose words are few,

whose teeth are like thorns,

for we have suffered and crossed into the wide wasteland 15

filled with mountains and burning hills.

Eyi?antai Maka??r I?a?k?ra??r

This poem seems to be a subtle but effective put-down of the Vedic sacrifice, perhaps because its author was influenced by Jaina or Buddhist thought.  It is notable that the sacrificial pit with its fire is compared to the wilderness while the tortoise who is about to be burned alive normally lives in a place likened to civilized, family life.


5. ?Band? is v?r, which was apparently tied around the breasts to keep them from sagging, much like a brassiere.

9. ?You must not be? is added.

11. One of the characteristics of the gods in Hinduism is that their garlands never fade.  ?Great beings? is periy?r, ?great ones,? probably used here with sarcastic intent, and ?never char? is kariy?, which the commentaries take as ?unwithering? (even though that is not one of its meanings).  I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out that the commentators seem to have missed the sarcastic intent here.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.



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??????????? ??????? ???????? ????????
?????? ?????? ?????? ??????
???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????  5
????????????? ??????? ????????? ???????
??????? ????????????? ???????????? ??????
??????? ??????? ??????? ????????
?????????? ????? ????? ??????!-
??????? ?????? ???????? ??  10
?????? ????????? ?????? ????
??????? ?????????? ????????? ???????
???????? ???????? ????? ??????????????
???????? ????? ????- ??????
??????? ????????? ??????????
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From jmdelire at ulb.ac.be  Fri Aug  2 08:58:29 2013
From: jmdelire at ulb.ac.be (Jean-Michel Delire)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 13 10:58:29 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jodhpur RORI
Message-ID: <941451fb74b5e8fae@wm-srv.ulb.ac.be>

Dear members,

I am going to Jodhpur next week in order to consult manuscripts at the RORI. According to the rules, foreign scholars have to be affiliated to an Indian university in order to be authorized to see and copy manuscripts. I have with me an official letter from my university (Brussels) and a letter from my Embassy in Delhi, kindly requesting to allow me access to all documents, museums and observatories in order to make progress in my research about Jai Singh II astronomical achievements. Can anybody with some experience in Jodhpur's RORI give me some advise about this ?

Thanks,

Dr J.M.Delire,
Lecturer on "Science and Civilization in India - Sanskrit Texts", University of Brussels





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Aug  2 11:07:15 2013
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 13 07:07:15 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Two more Sanskritists from Pune passed away
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzds1ASEr873NRaT1UXWhOkvWccNL9FKxoSBsiZ0nMpfaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Besides Professor S.D. Joshi who passed away on July 28, Professor K.S.
Arjunwadkar passed away on July 29 and Professor P.S. Joshi passed away on
July 30.  Most of Arjunwadkar's publications were in Marathi.  Among his
significant contributions of Sanskrit are his masterly edition of the
K?vyaprak??a, and his own Sanskrit poetry, most well known in a collection
called Ka??ak??jali.  He wrote a number of important books on the history
of Marathi grammar.  Prof. P.S. Joshi was an excellent Sanskrit teacher,
principal of the New English School, Ramanbag, in Pune, and later became
Professor of Sanskrit at the Fergusson College in Pune.  In his later life
he wrote an epic length Sanskrit poem Bh?m?yana on the life of Dr. B.R.
Ambedkar.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA


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From jwn3y at cms.mail.virginia.edu  Fri Aug  2 17:37:20 2013
From: jwn3y at cms.mail.virginia.edu (John Nemec)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 13 13:37:20 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jodhpur RORI
In-Reply-To: <941451fb74b5e8fae@wm-srv.ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <web-5345903@neon.mail.virginia.edu>

Dear Jean-Michel Delire,

I worked at RORI in Jodhpur over a somewhat long visit--in 2006, if memory serves.  The library staff members I met there were genial and knowledgeable.  (It can be useful to know Hindi.)  The institute launched its website during my stay, and I thought they had intended to digitize some materials.  The building has a nice room with a long table surrounded by books, and other rooms.  They seemed well equipped, and it is overall a nice place to work.

I had none of the official documents you have--letters from the embassy and home institution--, and a number of state holidays broke up my work there (they closed for Nanak Jayanti, and so on); but RORI overlooked my bureaucratic shortcomings and in the end made physical copies of the manuscripts I requested.  (Digital photography was prohibited.)  There was no mention of the need for a formal affiliation with an Indian University, as I remember it, but it is possible things have changed


You probably already know at least as well as I that the library itself holds an incredibly rich collection.  There are whole academic careers' worth of materials there, and if I am not mistaken it is one of the largest, if not the largest, collection of manuscripts in India.  (Many tantric texts are housed there, but also very many other items.)  I have long thought someone should spend a year or two there looking at the collection, thinking about how it perhaps reflects the Maharajas? influence, medieval bhakti and tantric traditions, and the like: that is, the collection itself is worthy of study, apart from the many individual treasures that it houses.

Good luck there, and I hope many others use this excellent library (and have a look also at the other manuscript library in Jodhpur, in the Mehrangarh Fort itself, which is also a very interesting place).  

Sincerely,
John





On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:58:29 +0200
 Jean-Michel Delire <jmdelire at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>Dear members,
>
>I am going to Jodhpur next week in order to consult manuscripts at the RORI. According to the rules, foreign scholars have to be affiliated to an Indian university in order to be authorized to see and copy manuscripts. I have with me an official letter from my university (Brussels) and a letter from my Embassy in Delhi, kindly requesting to allow me access to all documents, museums and observatories in order to make progress in my research about Jai Singh II astronomical achievements. Can anybody with some experience in Jodhpur's RORI give me some advise about this ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dr J.M.Delire,
>Lecturer on "Science and Civilization in India - Sanskrit Texts", University of Brussels
>
>_______________________________________________
>INDOLOGY mailing list
>INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>http://listinfo.indology.info

__________________________________
John Nemec, Ph.D.
Director of The South Asia Center and
Associate Professor, Indian Religions and South Asian Studies
Department of Religious Studies
University of Virginia
323 Gibson Hall / 1540 Jefferson Park Avenue
Charlottesville, VA 22904 (USA)
nemec at virginia.edu
+1-434-924-6716
http://virginia.academia.edu/JNemec





From glhart at berkeley.edu  Sat Aug  3 23:06:11 2013
From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 13 16:06:11 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
In-Reply-To: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C6504FC69EA@SPMXM04.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <330C623F-C398-4B81-9521-EE2922236E58@berkeley.edu>

In the poems, it is common for the hero to address his heart and blame it for motivating him to leave his woman and go into the wilderness to acquire wealth.  In such poems -- and there are many of them -- the hero and his heart are treated as different beings.  In Akam 9, for example, the hero's heart has already reunited with the heroine while the hero is still on his way home.  In this poem, the hero blames his heart for making him set out, and then, in the middle of the wilderness, tells his heart it must stop thinking of the heroine.  This is all quite clear in the poem.

As for the sacrifice -- what can we say or know?  It is possible the priest Staal spoke to did not want to admit to killing the turtle -- since Nambudris are strict vegetarians and would lose status if people think they roast turtles.  But assuming the agnicayana does not involve actually burning the tortoise, that doesn't tell us what happened in the ritual in this poem, which seems to suggest pretty clearly that it was burned and may not even be referring to the agnicayana.  It's also possible the person who wrote the poem misinterpreted the ritual he saw.  As for the sarcasm I and others see in this poem, obviously there is no way to be absolutely sure.  But there is no question, I think, that our sympathies lie with the tortoise and that the ritual is likened to the burning wilderness.  This would seem to indicate that there is some sarcasm involved.  As for periy?r, we cannot know if it was intended sarcastically or not.  The fact that it is nowhere else used for the gods in the Sangam corpus (to my knowledge) indicates the poet may have have meant it in a sarcastic way.  I've tried to convey that possibility by translating the word as "great beings."

I don't think we can say much more about this poem.  My thanks to Palaniappan, Prof. Tieken, and others for their suggestions.  George Hart 



On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:10 AM, "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at HUM.LEIDENUNIV.NL> wrote:

> Earlier I tried to send the mail below to the list, but I think that it went only to Dr. Palaniappan. Therefore I try again. H.T.
> 
> Dear Professor Hart,
> I am not sure if you have properly understood Akananuru 361. In paraphrase: in the poem a traveler is speaking to his heart, that is, to himself. When he started on his journey he managed to convince himself that work was more important than love. During his travels, however, his heart/he could think only of his wife. All he wanted was to go back home. Now that he is almost home he can stop wanting and longing for her.
> 
> If there is any ?sarcastic intent? involved it concerns the helplessness of the speaker, or rather, the paradoxical situation he finds himself in. As I have argued elsewhere, always look for the paradox (pace the translation of the Sattasa? by Peter Khoroche and me, and my review of Selby's translation of the Ai?ku?un??u; for exact references, go to my website: hermantieken.com). I am unable to follow you where you make the gods (periy?r) the object of sarcasm. Probably, however, that has to do with the fact that you put the Tamil poets and the representatives of the Sanskrit tradition in entirely different, if not opposite, worlds. Poems like the one under discussion only show that this position is untenable. See in this connection my ?Early Tamil poetics between N??ya??stra and R?gam?l?? published in the proceedings of a seminar held a few years back in Cambridge. I am unable to supply the bibliographical details as I have not received ?my? copy of the book as yet.
> 
> I am not a specialist of Vedic ritual, but Palaniappan may well be right about the tortoise. Note that according to theN??ya??stra the stage floor, a mimicry of the sacrificial area, may have the form of a tortoise, that is, sloping to the sides. Probably the verb ?ra in the poem does not mean ?eat? but ?be happy, satisfied?, in which case periy?r may well refer to the officiating priests.
> 
> Herman Tieken 
> 
> Herman Tieken
> University of Leiden
> The Netherlands
> website: hermantieken.com
> Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens George Hart [glhart at berkeley.edu]
> Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2013 20:44
> To: Indology List
> Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
> 
> Thanks to everyone for intriguing and useful replies. The poem is interesting enough, I think, to quote in its entirety, along with the text (from Project Madurai). I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out the use of words that is the key to the poem.  The original says "flowers that do not char," not "flowers that do not wither," as the commentators would have it, and the gods are described as periy?r, "great ones," probably with sarcastic intent.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.  It is also notable that the sacrifice is likened to the wilderness, a barren, uncivilized place, while the pond from which the tortoise has been taken is compared to the civilized, family life that the hero has left behind.  I would certainly agree with Jean-Luc that our sympathies are supposed to be with the tortoise.  George
> 
> 361. P?lai
> 
> The hero, who has left (the heroine) to go for wealth, speaks to his heart as he is going.
> 
> 
> 
> As they dart on her lovely face, the cool, exuberant eyes of my woman
> 
> are like dark-petaled waterlily flowers tied together
> 
> over the pure flower of a lotus. Her wrists wear fine bangles, her lips are beautiful.
> 
> She gets angry if there is even the distance of a thread separating us
> 
> when I embrace her ample breasts encircled by a band.
> 5
> 
> But when I told you kindly that there is nothing more wonderful
> 
> than knowing the joy of such great passion, you didn?t agree,
> 
> O deluded heart so anxious to acquire wealth!
> 
> Now, you must not be like the tortoise longing to go
> 
> to its wide, shadowed pond after it?s been put in a fiery sacrificial pit
> 10
> 
> as food for the great beings whose flowers never char in the heat.
> 
> You must stop thinking of the arms
> 
> of our woman whose words are few,
> 
> whose teeth are like thorns,
> 
> for we have suffered and crossed into the wide wasteland
> 15
> 
> filled with mountains and burning hills.
> 
> Eyi?antai Maka??r I?a?k?ra??r
> 
> This poem seems to be a subtle but effective put-down of the Vedic sacrifice, perhaps because its author was influenced by Jaina or Buddhist thought.  It is notable that the sacrificial pit with its fire is compared to the wilderness while the tortoise who is about to be burned alive normally lives in a place likened to civilized, family life.
> 
> 
> 
> 5. ?Band? is v?r, which was apparently tied around the breasts to keep them from sagging, much like a brassiere.
> 
> 9. ?You must not be? is added.
> 
> 11. One of the characteristics of the gods in Hinduism is that their garlands never fade.  ?Great beings? is periy?r, ?great ones,? probably used here with sarcastic intent, and ?never char? is kariy?, which the commentaries take as ?unwithering? (even though that is not one of its meanings).  I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out that the commentators seem to have missed the sarcastic intent here.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ???????? ????? ?????????? ???? 
> ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????? 
> ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? 
> ???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????
>  5
> ????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????? 
> ??????? ????????????? ???????????? ?????? 
> ??????? ??????? ??????? ????????
> ?????????? ????? ????? ??????!-
> ??????? ?????? ???????? ??   10
> ?????? ????????? ?????? ???? 
> ??????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? 
> ???????? ???????? ????? ??????????????
> ???????? ????? ????- ?????? 
> ??????? ????????? ?????????? 
> ?????? ??? ???????? ????!   16



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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 13:54:48 2013
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 13 15:54:48 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jodhpur RORI
In-Reply-To: <web-5345903@neon.mail.virginia.edu>
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Dear Dr. Delire,

Just to add to Professor Nemec's comments, which I second, having worked
there this past year: it is still not necessary to be affiliated to an
Indian university.  All of the collection has been scanned, but only half
of the scans are available; the rest are caught up in legal proceedings --
for those, you will have to request to see the originals, which is fairly
straightforward.

Nowadays, if a scan is available, you are first allowed to view the scans
on computer terminals, and only if you need to see the original will the
staff take it out.  Scans are available at a very reasonable rate.

However-- a colleague went there a few weeks ago and reported that the
viewing room, including the computer terminals, were closed as they remodel
parts of the building.  I would check with Kamal Sankhla, the very helpful
manager of operations, over the phone before heading there, in order to
save time.  I'm not sure how long the remodeling was supposed to go in.

In any case, the museum is full of beautiful manuscripts.

Best,
Tyler Williams
Columbia University


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:37 PM, John Nemec <jwn3y at cms.mail.virginia.edu>wrote:

> Dear Jean-Michel Delire,
>
> I worked at RORI in Jodhpur over a somewhat long visit--in 2006, if memory
> serves.  The library staff members I met there were genial and
> knowledgeable.  (It can be useful to know Hindi.)  The institute launched
> its website during my stay, and I thought they had intended to digitize
> some materials.  The building has a nice room with a long table surrounded
> by books, and other rooms.  They seemed well equipped, and it is overall a
> nice place to work.
>
> I had none of the official documents you have--letters from the embassy
> and home institution--, and a number of state holidays broke up my work
> there (they closed for Nanak Jayanti, and so on); but RORI overlooked my
> bureaucratic shortcomings and in the end made physical copies of the
> manuscripts I requested.  (Digital photography was prohibited.)  There was
> no mention of the need for a formal affiliation with an Indian University,
> as I remember it, but it is possible things have changed?
>
> You probably already know at least as well as I that the library itself
> holds an incredibly rich collection.  There are whole academic careers'
> worth of materials there, and if I am not mistaken it is one of the
> largest, if not the largest, collection of manuscripts in India.  (Many
> tantric texts are housed there, but also very many other items.)  I have
> long thought someone should spend a year or two there looking at the
> collection, thinking about how it perhaps reflects the Maharajas?
> influence, medieval bhakti and tantric traditions, and the like: that is,
> the collection itself is worthy of study, apart from the many individual
> treasures that it houses.
>
> Good luck there, and I hope many others use this excellent library (and
> have a look also at the other manuscript library in Jodhpur, in the
> Mehrangarh Fort itself, which is also a very interesting place).
>
> Sincerely,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:58:29 +0200
>  Jean-Michel Delire <jmdelire at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> >Dear members,
> >
> >I am going to Jodhpur next week in order to consult manuscripts at the
> RORI. According to the rules, foreign scholars have to be affiliated to an
> Indian university in order to be authorized to see and copy manuscripts. I
> have with me an official letter from my university (Brussels) and a letter
> from my Embassy in Delhi, kindly requesting to allow me access to all
> documents, museums and observatories in order to make progress in my
> research about Jai Singh II astronomical achievements. Can anybody with
> some experience in Jodhpur's RORI give me some advise about this ?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dr J.M.Delire,
> >Lecturer on "Science and Civilization in India - Sanskrit Texts",
> University of Brussels
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >INDOLOGY mailing list
> >INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >http://listinfo.indology.info
>
> __________________________________
> John Nemec, Ph.D.
> Director of The South Asia Center and
> Associate Professor, Indian Religions and South Asian Studies
> Department of Religious Studies
> University of Virginia
> 323 Gibson Hall / 1540 Jefferson Park Avenue
> Charlottesville, VA 22904 (USA)
> nemec at virginia.edu
> +1-434-924-6716
> http://virginia.academia.edu/JNemec
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From rajanawab at comcast.net  Sun Aug  4 15:18:28 2013
From: rajanawab at comcast.net (Ken Robbins)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 13 11:18:28 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7
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> In the poems, it is common for the hero to address his heart and blame it for motivating him to leave his woman and go into the wilderness to acquire wealth.  In such poems -- and there are many of them -- the hero and his heart are treated as different beings.  In Akam 9, for example, the hero's heart has already reunited with the heroine while the hero is still on his way home.  In this poem, the hero blames his heart for making him set out, and then, in the middle of the wilderness, tells his heart it must stop thinking of the heroine.  This is all quite clear in the poem.
> 
> As for the sacrifice -- what can we say or know?  It is possible the priest Staal spoke to did not want to admit to killing the turtle -- since Nambudris are strict vegetarians and would lose status if people think they roast turtles.  But assuming the agnicayana does not involve actually burning the tortoise, that doesn't tell us what happened in the ritual in this poem, which seems to suggest pretty clearly that it was burned and may not even be referring to the agnicayana.  It's also possible the person who wrote the poem misinterpreted the ritual he saw.  As for the sarcasm I and others see in this poem, obviously there is no way to be absolutely sure.  But there is no question, I think, that our sympathies lie with the tortoise and that the ritual is likened to the burning wilderness.  This would seem to indicate that there is some sarcasm involved.  As for periy?r, we cannot know if it was intended sarcastically or not.  The fact that it is nowhere else used for the gods in the Sangam corpus (to my knowledge) indicates the poet may have have meant it in a sarcastic way.  I've tried to convey that possibility by translating the word as "great beings."
> 
> I don't think we can say much more about this poem.  My thanks to Palaniappan, Prof. Tieken, and others for their suggestions.  George Hart 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:10 AM, "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at HUM.LEIDENUNIV.NL> wrote:
> 
>> Earlier I tried to send the mail below to the list, but I think that it went only to Dr. Palaniappan. Therefore I try again. H.T.
>> 
>> Dear Professor Hart,
>> I am not sure if you have properly understood Akananuru 361. In paraphrase: in the poem a traveler is speaking to his heart, that is, to himself. When he started on his journey he managed to convince himself that work was more important than love. During his travels, however, his heart/he could think only of his wife. All he wanted was to go back home. Now that he is almost home he can stop wanting and longing for her.
>> 
>> If there is any ?sarcastic intent? involved it concerns the helplessness of the speaker, or rather, the paradoxical situation he finds himself in. As I have argued elsewhere, always look for the paradox (pace the translation of the Sattasa? by Peter Khoroche and me, and my review of Selby's translation of the Ai?ku?un??u; for exact references, go to my website: hermantieken.com). I am unable to follow you where you make the gods (periy?r) the object of sarcasm. Probably, however, that has to do with the fact that you put the Tamil poets and the representatives of the Sanskrit tradition in entirely different, if not opposite, worlds. Poems like the one under discussion only show that this position is untenable. See in this connection my ?Early Tamil poetics between N??ya??stra and R?gam?l?? published in the proceedings of a seminar held a few years back in Cambridge. I am unable to supply the bibliographical details as I have not received ?my? copy of the book as yet.
>> 
>> I am not a specialist of Vedic ritual, but Palaniappan may well be right about the tortoise. Note that according to theN??ya??stra the stage floor, a mimicry of the sacrificial area, may have the form of a tortoise, that is, sloping to the sides. Probably the verb ?ra in the poem does not mean ?eat? but ?be happy, satisfied?, in which case periy?r may well refer to the officiating priests.
>> 
>> Herman Tieken 
>> 
>> Herman Tieken
>> University of Leiden
>> The Netherlands
>> website: hermantieken.com
>> Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens George Hart [glhart at berkeley.edu]
>> Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2013 20:44
>> To: Indology List
>> Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sacrificial Tortoise?
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone for intriguing and useful replies. The poem is interesting enough, I think, to quote in its entirety, along with the text (from Project Madurai). I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out the use of words that is the key to the poem.  The original says "flowers that do not char," not "flowers that do not wither," as the commentators would have it, and the gods are described as periy?r, "great ones," probably with sarcastic intent.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.  It is also notable that the sacrifice is likened to the wilderness, a barren, uncivilized place, while the pond from which the tortoise has been taken is compared to the civilized, family life that the hero has left behind.  I would certainly agree with Jean-Luc that our sympathies are supposed to be with the tortoise.  George
>> 
>> 361. P?lai
>> 
>> The hero, who has left (the heroine) to go for wealth, speaks to his heart as he is going.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As they dart on her lovely face, the cool, exuberant eyes of my woman
>> 
>> are like dark-petaled waterlily flowers tied together
>> 
>> over the pure flower of a lotus. Her wrists wear fine bangles, her lips are beautiful.
>> 
>> She gets angry if there is even the distance of a thread separating us
>> 
>> when I embrace her ample breasts encircled by a band.
>> 5
>> 
>> But when I told you kindly that there is nothing more wonderful
>> 
>> than knowing the joy of such great passion, you didn?t agree,
>> 
>> O deluded heart so anxious to acquire wealth!
>> 
>> Now, you must not be like the tortoise longing to go
>> 
>> to its wide, shadowed pond after it?s been put in a fiery sacrificial pit
>> 10
>> 
>> as food for the great beings whose flowers never char in the heat.
>> 
>> You must stop thinking of the arms
>> 
>> of our woman whose words are few,
>> 
>> whose teeth are like thorns,
>> 
>> for we have suffered and crossed into the wide wasteland
>> 15
>> 
>> filled with mountains and burning hills.
>> 
>> Eyi?antai Maka??r I?a?k?ra??r
>> 
>> This poem seems to be a subtle but effective put-down of the Vedic sacrifice, perhaps because its author was influenced by Jaina or Buddhist thought.  It is notable that the sacrificial pit with its fire is compared to the wilderness while the tortoise who is about to be burned alive normally lives in a place likened to civilized, family life.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 5. ?Band? is v?r, which was apparently tied around the breasts to keep them from sagging, much like a brassiere.
>> 
>> 9. ?You must not be? is added.
>> 
>> 11. One of the characteristics of the gods in Hinduism is that their garlands never fade.  ?Great beings? is periy?r, ?great ones,? probably used here with sarcastic intent, and ?never char? is kariy?, which the commentaries take as ?unwithering? (even though that is not one of its meanings).  I am grateful to V. S. Rajam for pointing out that the commentators seem to have missed the sarcastic intent here.  One can imagine the gods coming and consuming the poor tortoise that has been cooked alive in the pit without even their flowers getting scorched by the heat.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ???????? ????? ?????????? ???? 
>> ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????? 
>> ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? 
>> ???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????
>> 5
>> ????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????? 
>> ??????? ????????????? ???????????? ?????? 
>> ??????? ??????? ??????? ????????
>> ?????????? ????? ????? ??????!-
>> ??????? ?????? ???????? ??   10
>> ?????? ????????? ?????? ???? 
>> ??????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? 
>> ???????? ???????? ????? ??????????????
>> ???????? ????? ????- ?????? 
>> ??????? ????????? ?????????? 
>> ?????? ??? ???????? ????!   16
> 
> 



From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 19:55:20 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 13 21:55:20 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jodhpur RORI
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy0ZHxNn5QpdJSiwgOznvDwG0E6pQ7QHJxZmgGjR+dc1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeOsajjDh0LpWJSiM14A3zd_3OGKnYbRwqM_9qGpiOMnw@mail.gmail.com>

The RORI in Jodhpur is the centre of the whole web of RORI branches that
are spread across Rajasthan.  From my experience at the Alwar branch, it is
necessary to have a letter of permission from the Jodhpur HQ to access
materials in the branches.

Best,
Dominik


--
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Department of South Asia, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies<http://stb.univie.ac.at>
,
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Spitalgasse 2-4, Courtyard 2, Entrance 2.1
1090 Vienna, Austria
and
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On 4 August 2013 15:54, Tyler Williams <tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Delire,
>
> Just to add to Professor Nemec's comments, which I second, having worked
> there this past year: it is still not necessary to be affiliated to an
> Indian university.  All of the collection has been scanned, but only half
> of the scans are available; the rest are caught up in legal proceedings --
> for those, you will have to request to see the originals, which is fairly
> straightforward.
>
> Nowadays, if a scan is available, you are first allowed to view the scans
> on computer terminals, and only if you need to see the original will the
> staff take it out.  Scans are available at a very reasonable rate.
>
> However-- a colleague went there a few weeks ago and reported that the
> viewing room, including the computer terminals, were closed as they remodel
> parts of the building.  I would check with Kamal Sankhla, the very helpful
> manager of operations, over the phone before heading there, in order to
> save time.  I'm not sure how long the remodeling was supposed to go in.
>
> In any case, the museum is full of beautiful manuscripts.
>
> Best,
> Tyler Williams
> Columbia University
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:37 PM, John Nemec <jwn3y at cms.mail.virginia.edu>wrote:
>
>> Dear Jean-Michel Delire,
>>
>> I worked at RORI in Jodhpur over a somewhat long visit--in 2006, if
>> memory serves.  The library staff members I met there were genial and
>> knowledgeable.  (It can be useful to know Hindi.)  The institute launched
>> its website during my stay, and I thought they had intended to digitize
>> some materials.  The building has a nice room with a long table surrounded
>> by books, and other rooms.  They seemed well equipped, and it is overall a
>> nice place to work.
>>
>> I had none of the official documents you have--letters from the embassy
>> and home institution--, and a number of state holidays broke up my work
>> there (they closed for Nanak Jayanti, and so on); but RORI overlooked my
>> bureaucratic shortcomings and in the end made physical copies of the
>> manuscripts I requested.  (Digital photography was prohibited.)  There was
>> no mention of the need for a formal affiliation with an Indian University,
>> as I remember it, but it is possible things have changed?
>>
>> You probably already know at least as well as I that the library itself
>> holds an incredibly rich collection.  There are whole academic careers'
>> worth of materials there, and if I am not mistaken it is one of the
>> largest, if not the largest, collection of manuscripts in India.  (Many
>> tantric texts are housed there, but also very many other items.)  I have
>> long thought someone should spend a year or two there looking at the
>> collection, thinking about how it perhaps reflects the Maharajas?
>> influence, medieval bhakti and tantric traditions, and the like: that is,
>> the collection itself is worthy of study, apart from the many individual
>> treasures that it houses.
>>
>> Good luck there, and I hope many others use this excellent library (and
>> have a look also at the other manuscript library in Jodhpur, in the
>> Mehrangarh Fort itself, which is also a very interesting place).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:58:29 +0200
>>  Jean-Michel Delire <jmdelire at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> >Dear members,
>> >
>> >I am going to Jodhpur next week in order to consult manuscripts at the
>> RORI. According to the rules, foreign scholars have to be affiliated to an
>> Indian university in order to be authorized to see and copy manuscripts. I
>> have with me an official letter from my university (Brussels) and a letter
>> from my Embassy in Delhi, kindly requesting to allow me access to all
>> documents, museums and observatories in order to make progress in my
>> research about Jai Singh II astronomical achievements. Can anybody with
>> some experience in Jodhpur's RORI give me some advise about this ?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Dr J.M.Delire,
>> >Lecturer on "Science and Civilization in India - Sanskrit Texts",
>> University of Brussels
>> >
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>> Department of Religious Studies
>> University of Virginia
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>> Charlottesville, VA 22904 (USA)
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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Mon Aug  5 14:23:58 2013
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Michael Witzel)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 13 10:23:58 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The 6th International Vedic Workshop
Message-ID: <2DF2F09A-2946-4626-BD1B-684A591A0876@fas.harvard.edu>

Dear All,
 
A gentle reminder that the deadline for the submission of abstracts for the 6th International Vedic Workshop is near: Sept. 1.
For details on the workshop see: www.ivw2014.org 

Apart from the usual paper presentation sessions, the workshop is being planned to be made colorful and rich with Rigveda-Yajurveda-Samaveda chanting sessions, Koodiyaattam (the mode of Sanskrit theatre from Kerala, the oldest performing art form in India and the oldest extant form of theatre in the world today), Kalaripayattu (the traditional martial art form of Kerala), Theyyam (Kerala?s colourful and traditional temple art form), South Indian Classial Karnatic Music, demonstration and show casing of Indian crafts and artistic skills, pedal boating, river boating etc..
 
An (optional) cultural tour following at the end of the workshop will include visits to a number of  traditional villages where the 3 Vedas are taught and recited along with the performance of Vedic rituals. It also includes a visit to an old, large  Nambudiri estate where various arts of Kerala are taught and preserved. 
 
Looking forward to meeting you there.

For the organizers,

M. WItzel


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 10:40:30 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 13 12:40:30 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=E2=80=8B_3_post-doc_research_positions_for_young_researchers_advertised_in_Munich?=
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CekBvw3kQezJcecNR+bj5RF=ePW31KesCLDZsuLEbJGNQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hans van Ess <vaness at ostasien.fak12.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Subject: Grants
To: EMEDCH-L at usc.edu

Dear colleagues,

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?E?
uropean universities with a tradition reaching back more than 500 years.
The university has established the Graduate School "Distant Worlds: Munich
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Successful candidates will conduct an independent research project
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They will collaborate with doctoral students in an interdisciplinary junior
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They will develop new research perspectives in the field of ancient studies
together with the members of the M?nchner Zentrum f?r Antike Welten.


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in the field of ancient studies with outstanding results. Applicants will
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 14:46:53 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 13 16:46:53 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahabharata on Youtube
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CetKuz3AZOeVzV2bpmM7w7-6e=sKAUWm4LhNgih=jyK=A@mail.gmail.com>

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 09:14:54 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 13 11:14:54 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSBGd2Q6IHvgpK3gpL7gpLDgpKTgpYDgpK/gpLXgpL/gpKbgpY3gpLXgpKTgpY3gpKrgpLDgpL/gpLfgpKTgpY19IFB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIG9mIE5ldyBDYXRhbG9ndXMgQ2F0YWxvZ29ydW0gdm9sdW1lcyAyNi0zMg==?=
In-Reply-To: <CABOsyuHzK6qA=4-SbZM=Yg1cTJhuGG41FE+_zyq5R7RUBCpyjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdOd+AzduNyi65tY7xLKDVi_v5rUiKFsF-jrOVxvvURjA@mail.gmail.com>

?Prof. Dash and his team in Chennai continue the astonishing pace of
publication of the NCC with another seven (SEVEN!) volumes.  The end of the
alphabet is heaving into view!


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Siniruddha Dash <siniruddhad at gmail.com>
Date: 8 August 2013 10:44
Subject: Fwd: {???????????????????} Publication of New Catalogus
Catalogorum volumes 26-32

Dear Scholars,
??
This is for your kind information that another seven volumes (XXVI-XXXII)of
the New Catalogus Catalogorum (NCC)  have been published.

Dept. of Sanskrit


For the purchase of NCC volumes, kindly contact:

(1) Registrar, University of Madras, Chepauk, Chennai - 600 005, Tamil Nadu.

(OR)

(2) The Director, Publications Division, University of Madras, Chepauk,
Chennai - 600 005, Tamil Nadu, India.

The correspondence regarding the same may be sent by email to the following

(1)
??
 directorpublications.unom at gmail.com
(2) registrar at unom.ac.in

A copy of the email may be sent to Director, NCC. Project:
? ? <goog_147755605>
siniruddhad at gmail.com

It may be noted that the NCC volumes XV-XIX is out of stock.
-- 
*******************************************
Bholanath Dash
Research Scholar
Department of Sanskrit
University of Madras
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University of Madras
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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Thu Aug  8 14:02:34 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 13 14:02:34 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Renou article?
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB05E7A@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

Does anyone out there have a PDF of Renou's article, "Les pouvoirs de la parole dans les hymnes v?diques" , the 1954 version from Studia Indologica Internationalia vol. I, pp. 1-12 ?

Best,

-j





Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University





From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Thu Aug  8 14:51:21 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 13 14:51:21 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoga book?
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB05ECB@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

One more: does anyone know where I can find a pdf of  J.W. Hauer's 1922 book, Die anfa?nge der Yogapraxis im alten Indien. Eine Untersuchung u?ber die wurzeln der indischen Mystik nach Rgveda und Atharvaveda?

Thanks!

-j



Author: J W Hauer<http://tufts.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AHauer%2C+J.+W.&qt=hot_author>
Publisher:      Berlin [etc.] W. Kohlhammer, 1922.



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University




From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Thu Aug  8 15:25:57 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 13 15:25:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoga book?
In-Reply-To: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB05ECB@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB05F06@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

My thanks to Chris Handy for pointing out that it can be downloaded from archive.org. For some reason, it was not coming up on a google search for me. 
Best,

Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University

________________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Walser, Joseph [Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:51 AM
To: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoga book?

One more: does anyone know where I can find a pdf of  J.W. Hauer's 1922 book, Die anfa?nge der Yogapraxis im alten Indien. Eine Untersuchung u?ber die wurzeln der indischen Mystik nach Rgveda und Atharvaveda?

Thanks!

-j



Author: J W Hauer<http://tufts.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AHauer%2C+J.+W.&qt=hot_author>
Publisher:      Berlin [etc.] W. Kohlhammer, 1922.



Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 17:40:52 2013
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 13 19:40:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Prof. Shivaram Dattatray Joshi, 15-8-1926 - 29-7-2013
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoC-x2Wh13HTUbUo72t81OVR3QNWr5qBjdS=xyXfCWofsg@mail.gmail.com>

On behalf of Dr. J.A.F. Roodbergen,
I attach a personal remembrance of his of Dr. S.D. Joshi.

A personal remembrance.

I met Dr. Joshi for the first time during a train journey from Pune to
Guwahati, Assam, in early January 1965, six weeks after my arrival in India
(Pune, Deccan College) in 1964. An *All India Oriental Conference* had been
planned for January 1965. President of the *Conference* was Dr V.S.
Agrawala. I also met him on that occasion. I had been assigned to a group
of pandits, including Dr. Joshi, working in the Deccan College. Dr. Joshi
had just ended his activities there because of his appointment as a Senior
Lecturer at the *Centre of Advanced Study in Sanskrit, *University of
Poona. The train journey was a long, tedious journey, three nights, four
days, I think, altogether more than 3000 kms. It was halted in Lucknow, due
to a misunderstanding regarding reservation. The result of the
misunderstanding was that our group had no valid ticket for the journey
from Lucknow to Guwahati. By good fortune the Indian Railways assigned us
to a third class, three-tier carriage, unreserved. The carriage soon became
occupied up to the last seat, the corridors and even the floor space within
compartments, not to mention the spaces between the coaches. Toilets were
unusable and inaccessible. One had to avail oneself of the opportunity at
the train stops. Before Lucknow I had already been introcuced to Dr. Joshi.
The conversation somehow turned to a hobby of both of us, chess. Dr. Joshi
had brought a small chess set with him, and so we played chess, two games,
as far as I remember. I lost them both. Later on I heard that Dr. Joshi,
during his stay in the U.S.A., had met another chess player and had played
with him. That was Bobby Fisher. So I felt comforted about losing the two
games.

In Dr. Joshi I have lost my eminent teacher and my best friend for a period
of more than 45 years. In Dr. Joshi, India lost its greatest scholar on Vy?
kara?a since N?ge?a.

Dr. J.A.F. Roodbergen, Amsterdam 31 July 2013



On 29 July 2013 14:30, Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> With sadness we learn of the demise of Prof. Shivaram Dattatray Joshi,
who has been for many decades, in the words of his friend, student and
close collaborator Dr. J.A.F. Roodbergen, ?il maestro di color che sanno in
the field of Sanskrit grammar.? He will live on, to use Brendan Gillon's
terms, in "his published work" and in "his erudite students" (who have
become the teachers of P??ini-students of my own generation).
>
> A bibliography of his publications up to 1989 is found in:
> P??inian Studies - Prof. S.D. Joshi Felicitation Volume
> (ed. by Madhav M. Deshpande, Saroja Bhate)
> Michigan: Univ. of Michigan, Center for South and Southeast Asian
Studies, 1991.
> The same publication contains a Preface by Prof. Madhav Deshpande with
further details about the life and career of Prof. S.D. Joshi (accomplished
vy?kara??c?rya before reaching the age of 20, ?discovered? by Prof. D.H.H.
Ingalls in the early 1950s, Ph.D. at Harvard Univ. in 1960).
>
> After his 65th birthday, from 1991-2011, fourteen volumes on the
A???dhy?y? of P??ini appeared with the Sahitya Akademi in New Delhi.
> Authors: S.D. Joshi and J.A.F. Roodbergen.
>
> Vol. fifteen in the series, prepared by J.A.F. Roodbergen alone (and
dedicated to S.D. Joshi), appeared in Pune at the Vaidika Samshodhana
Mandala in 2011.
>
> Other supplements to the 1991 list of publications (articles by him, by
him together with P. Kiparsky and by him together with J.A.F. Roodbergen)
can be found in the section ?References? in A Dictionary of P??inian
Grammatical Terminology (by J.A.F. Roodbergen),  Pune: Bhandarkar Oriental
Research Institute, 2008.
>
> See also: J.A.F. Roodbergen, ?Suppl[e]ment to Dictionary of P??inian
Grammatical Terminology? in Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research
Institute, vol. 90 (for 2009): 127-151.
>
> One of his last public speeches was probably his Keynote Address in
January 2009 at the Third International Computational Linguistics Symposium
in Hyderabad (see ?Background of the A???dhy?y?? p. 1-5 in Sanskrit
Computational Linguistics : Third International Symposium, Hyderabad,
India, January 2009, Proceedings, Lecture Notes in Artificial Intelligence
5406, ed. by Amba Kulkarni and G?rard Huet, Heidelberg: Springer Verlag,
2009).
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From kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de  Fri Aug  9 09:33:48 2013
From: kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 13 11:33:48 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_5th_International_Dharmak=C4=ABrti_Conference_(Heidelberg,_26-30_August_2014):_website_open_for_registration_and_abstract_submission?=
Message-ID: <5204B77C.9030208@asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de>

Dear colleagues,

(apologies for cross-posting)

the website for registration and abstract submission of the 5th 
International Dharmak?rti Conference, to be held at the Crowne Plaza 
Hotel in Heidelberg, Germany, from 26-30 August 2014, is now open at 
http://idhc5.uni-hd.de.

The deadline for registration and abstract submission has been set at 31 
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From harshadehejia at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  9 11:36:28 2013
From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 13 07:36:28 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Balagopalastuti
Message-ID: <BLU164-W3544AD3F57B0F0CFD2D30BA0580@phx.gbl>

Friends~
Can anyone help me find, either an online or print, version of
Bilvamangalas's Balagopalastuti?
Kind regards.
HarshaOttawa, ON. Canada.

 		 	   		  


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From h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx  Fri Aug  9 12:24:29 2013
From: h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 13 05:24:29 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help me please
In-Reply-To: <E38C4872-73B0-49FC-BF1B-A9885113E659@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
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Dear Indologits.

?I have two questions:
1. - Are there cases in Indian history, that the word prabhu had been used for holy women?
2. - What would be the optimal word in female gender of prabhu in Sanskrit and ?the other vernacular languages ??derived from this?

I will be so thanks for your help.
With my best wishes.

Dr. Horacio Francisco Arganis Ju?rez
Lic. M.A. Ph. D. Catedr?tico Investigador de la Universidad
Internacional Euroamericana.
Departamento de Filosof?a y Religi?n Comparada.
www.uie.edu.es

?

Dear Indologits.

?I have two questions:
1. - Are there cases in Indian history, that the word prabhu had been used for holy women?
2. - What would be the optimal word in female gender of prabhu in Sanskrit and ?the other vernacular languages ??derived from this?

I will be so thanks for your help.
With my best wishes.

Dr. Horacio Francisco Arganis Ju?rez
Lic. M.A. Ph. D. Catedr?tico Investigador de la Universidad
Internacional Euroamericana.
Departamento de Filosof?a y Religi?n Comparada.
www.uie.edu.es



________________________________
 De: Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Para: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> 
CC: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info> 
Enviado: Mi?rcoles, 22 de mayo, 2013 16:27:30
Asunto: Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI
 

I have seen and translated this or similar verse, but cannot put my finger on it. The issue, however, is NOT about speaking about about "seeing"? -- that is regarding. In the verse I have seen the locatives are given as accusatives: m?t?vat parad?ra? ca etc. Also the last p?da, as I remember it runs: ya? pa?yati sa pa?yati -- one who sees (this way), truly sees.

Patrick



On May 22, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Howard Resnick wrote:

> Do we know the history of the Hindu custom of addressing women as? mAtA or mAtAji?
> 
> Some Hindu traditions quote CANakya/KauTilya as follows: 
> 
> mAtRvat para-dAreSu, para-dravyeSu loSTravat, Atmavat sarva-bhUteSu, yaH paZyati sa paNDitaH
> 
> "A pandita is he who sees others' wives as mother, others' property as dirt, all beings as oneself."
> 
> Yet typically itihasa-purana texts do not show men addressing others' wives, and certainly not women in general, as "mother."
> 
> Any help with this is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> Howard Resnick
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 14:22:14 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 13 16:22:14 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd:  Balagopalastuti
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdZaNmAg8o+8e2Yvk1V4ahTHvTx+39V-BV-Zz=-D-x2Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeT_1CXdY4+nHS1c8FNwiWXCH6NO17f4jNzAL1FtD2Qdg@mail.gmail.com>

Frances Wilson is the key person who edited and translated this and related
works.  See also the PhD of Elinor Gadon, and my own Love of K???a
article.  All references in detail in my online
bibliography<http://wujastyk.net/bibtex/>
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From gthomgt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 01:10:13 2013
From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 13 21:10:13 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoga book?
In-Reply-To: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB05F06@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>
Message-ID: <CAP1Y1zuVQ=UnGTufN1ZPeTdzexn1X_w-f2efX33H56JmPA2E1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Joseph and list,

A quick note to your two recent queries to the Indology List:

1.  I have read the 1954 Renou article 25-30 years ago, and I have a
photocopy of it in  a file somewhere.  Unfortunately, I can't find it right
now, because most of my photocopies and offprints are stored away in a
storage unit and I can't find individual papers right now.  However, I can
say this: the most important paper that Renou wrote on les pouvoirs de la
parole dans le RV is in his EVP 1 [1955].  There is, I think, nothing in
the 1954 paper that is not also included in the 1955 paper, which is more
developed and clearer.  The 1955 paper in EVP 1 is one of Renou's most
important papers when it comes to the RV.  Nevertheless, if you are
interested in the development of Renou's thoughts on this issue, I can make
some effort to find the earlier paper if you wish.

2.  Just to let you know that Hauer's book is also available as a
print-on-demand book.  I orefer books to pdf's because I like to be able to
read them anywhere, and I like to make notes in my books.

If you want information on how to order the print-on-demand book [warning:
not at all a high quality reprint, but legible, let me know off-list].

My best to you and to the List.

George Thompson

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>wrote:

> My thanks to Chris Handy for pointing out that it can be downloaded from
> archive.org. For some reason, it was not coming up on a google search for
> me.
> Best,
>
> Joseph Walser
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Department of Religion
>
> Tufts University
>
> ________________________________________
> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Walser,
> Joseph [Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoga book?
>
> One more: does anyone know where I can find a pdf of  J.W. Hauer's 1922
> book, Die anfa?nge der Yogapraxis im alten Indien. Eine Untersuchung u?ber
> die wurzeln der indischen Mystik nach Rgveda und Atharvaveda?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -j
>
>
>
> Author: J W Hauer<
> http://tufts.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AHauer%2C+J.+W.&qt=hot_author>
> Publisher:      Berlin [etc.] W. Kohlhammer, 1922.
>
>
>
> Joseph Walser
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Department of Religion
>
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From andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu  Sat Aug 10 16:16:51 2013
From: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu (Andrew Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 13 12:16:51 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
Message-ID: <CAFZJJzFRjJsNJ2emsu0PgHdZ=Ua9NZ7Cwo3HLNcdydNeZTUP5w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear learned colleagues,

In Kurma Purana 2.7 there is a section praising Siva, in which classes
of beings are named and he is identified with the best in each of
those classes; this is similar to the section extolling Krsna at BhG
10.21-39.

In the final quarter of 2.7.10 is "gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH". Can any of
you help me identify who this "vIraka" (mannikin, little man) is? Is
it a reference to some specific form of Siva, or perhaps to Skanda or
Ganapati himself?

Many thanks for your help.

Andrew
___________________________________
Andrew J. Nicholson
Associate Professor
Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
and Dept. of Philosophy
SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098





From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 10 18:15:07 2013
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 13 19:15:07 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <CAFZJJzFRjJsNJ2emsu0PgHdZ=Ua9NZ7Cwo3HLNcdydNeZTUP5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CCC781E-A64E-43B0-9486-1AA4DE40C8A4@btinternet.com>

I haven't got a reference for it, but I have a distant memory of seeing it used in South Indian iconography as the name of a member of ?iva's entourage - possibly Nandin in human form with a bull's head?

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:16, Andrew Nicholson <andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu> wrote:

> Dear learned colleagues,
> 
> In Kurma Purana 2.7 there is a section praising Siva, in which classes
> of beings are named and he is identified with the best in each of
> those classes; this is similar to the section extolling Krsna at BhG
> 10.21-39.
> 
> In the final quarter of 2.7.10 is "gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH". Can any of
> you help me identify who this "vIraka" (mannikin, little man) is? Is
> it a reference to some specific form of Siva, or perhaps to Skanda or
> Ganapati himself?
> 
> Many thanks for your help.
> 
> Andrew
> ___________________________________
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> Associate Professor
> Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
> and Dept. of Philosophy
> SUNY Stony Brook
> Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
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From corinnawessels at yahoo.de  Sat Aug 10 19:33:37 2013
From: corinnawessels at yahoo.de (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 13 20:33:37 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <4CCC781E-A64E-43B0-9486-1AA4DE40C8A4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1376163217.51894.YahooMailNeo@web171406.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

I can only direct your attention to Don Handelman's and David Shulman's "God Inside Out: ?iva's Game of Dice", New York, etc. 1997, pp. 155-157 (the first two pages are included in books.google), also pp. 128, 129.  A member of ?iva's entourage, V?raka was adopted byP?rvat? as her son (MatsyaP). Regarding the iconographic question, I personally have not come across any character described asV?raka so far.

Corinna Wessels-Mevissen

Berlin, Germany



________________________________
 Von: Valerie J Roebuck <vjroebuck at btinternet.com>
An: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info> 
Gesendet: 20:15 Samstag, 10.August 2013
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
 

I haven't got a reference for it, but I have a distant memory of seeing it used in South Indian iconography as the name of a member of ?iva's entourage - possibly Nandin in human form with a bull's head?

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:16, Andrew Nicholson <andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu> wrote:

> Dear learned colleagues,
> 
> In Kurma Purana 2.7 there is a section praising Siva, in which classes
> of beings are named and he is identified with the best in each of
> those classes; this is similar to the section extolling Krsna at BhG
> 10.21-39.
> 
> In the final quarter of 2.7.10 is "gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH". Can any of
> you help me identify who this "vIraka" (mannikin, little man) is? Is
> it a reference to some specific form of Siva, or perhaps to Skanda or
> Ganapati himself?
> 
> Many thanks for your help.
> 
> Andrew
> ___________________________________
> Andrew J. Nicholson
> Associate Professor
> Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
> and Dept. of Philosophy
> SUNY Stony Brook
> Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343? USA
> Tel: (631) 632-4030? Fax: (631) 632-4098
> 
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From tlsmith at ufl.edu  Sat Aug 10 20:46:29 2013
From: tlsmith at ufl.edu (Smith,Travis LaMar)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 13 20:46:29 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <CAFZJJzFRjJsNJ2emsu0PgHdZ=Ua9NZ7Cwo3HLNcdydNeZTUP5w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Andrew,

I?d wager a guess that V?raka is short for V?rabhadra, who is one of ?iva?s well-known ga?as (though admittedly I hadn?t thought about *when* he enters ?iva?s entourage). If that?s the case bet the ?ka suffix is probably abbreviative, for metrical purposes, rather than diminutive in meaning. :)

All best,
Travis

--
Travis L. Smith
Assistant Professor
Department of Religion
University of Florida


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From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Andrew Nicholson [andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:16 PM
To: Indology List
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"

Dear learned colleagues,

In Kurma Purana 2.7 there is a section praising Siva, in which classes
of beings are named and he is identified with the best in each of
those classes; this is similar to the section extolling Krsna at BhG
10.21-39.

In the final quarter of 2.7.10 is "gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH". Can any of
you help me identify who this "vIraka" (mannikin, little man) is? Is
it a reference to some specific form of Siva, or perhaps to Skanda or
Ganapati himself?

Many thanks for your help.

Andrew
___________________________________
Andrew J. Nicholson
Associate Professor
Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
and Dept. of Philosophy
SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098

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From torzsokjudit at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 10 21:35:10 2013
From: torzsokjudit at hotmail.com (Judit Torzsok)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 13 21:35:10 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <CAFZJJzFRjJsNJ2emsu0PgHdZ=Ua9NZ7Cwo3HLNcdydNeZTUP5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY155-W512428C58509AD1DF37926CD590@phx.gbl>

Viiraka is Nandin/Nandirudra in Jayadratha's Haracaritacintaama.ni (chapter 4). He practices tapas and is then appointed as the first among the ga.nas (pramathaprathama) by "Siva. (The story is longer than this and contains a lot of details of Kashmirian holy places etc)He does not seem to be identified with Ga.ne"sa or Skanda (but is also called "son" by "Siva), nor is he a form of "Siva, although he is given a "Siva-like form by the god (verses 74-75): he becomes a four-faced Rudra with a trident, a bull to ride, a tiger skin to wear etcI hope this helps.

Judit T?rzs?k(Univ. Lille III.)


> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:16:51 -0400
> From: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
> 
> Dear learned colleagues,
> 
> In Kurma Purana 2.7 there is a section praising Siva, in which classes
> of beings are named and he is identified with the best in each of
> those classes; this is similar to the section extolling Krsna at BhG
> 10.21-39.
> 
> In the final quarter of 2.7.10 is "gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH". Can any of
> you help me identify who this "vIraka" (mannikin, little man) is? Is
> it a reference to some specific form of Siva, or perhaps to Skanda or
> Ganapati himself?
> 
> Many thanks for your help.
> 
> Andrew
> ___________________________________
> Andrew J. Nicholson
> Associate Professor
> Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
> and Dept. of Philosophy
> SUNY Stony Brook
> Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
> Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098
> 
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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Sun Aug 11 05:14:09 2013
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 13 05:14:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY]  HARITI
Message-ID: <20130811051409.32359.qmail@f4mail-235-212.rediffmail.com>



 To all,



          I would like to know if there is any equivalent in  Indian mythology to MAHAYANA Buddhist goddess HARITI ?





                                           ALAKENDU  DAS


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From andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu  Sun Aug 11 13:38:09 2013
From: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu (Andrew Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 13 09:38:09 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
Message-ID: <CAFZJJzH44KhKLENLD-oVdKDTo4zq5X+awxe18esOxg7zNxRb_w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all of the Indological sleuths who responded to my query,
both on- and off-list. The collective knowledge of the scholars here
is astounding.

I should have mentioned that Kurma Purana 2.7.7 includes "vIrANAM
vIrabhadro 'haM." It therefore seems a little less likely to me that
"gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH" only three verses later at 2.7.10 would be a
repeated reference to Virabhadra. However, the identification of
Viraka with the half-bull, half-man form of Nandin, suggested by Drs.
Roebuck and T?rzs?k, makes a lot of sense.

Based on your responses, it also seems there is a dissertation waiting
to be written on the mythology and iconography of Nandin/Viraka. If
someone can point me to an article on Nandin that discusses this
humanoid form, I'd be grateful.

My annotated translation of the Isvara Gita (Kurma Purana 2.1-2.11),
including this verse about vIraka, will be available from SUNY Press
in 2014.

All the best,
Andrew
___________________________________
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Associate Professor
Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
and Dept. of Philosophy
SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
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From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 11 14:31:15 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 13 22:31:15 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=EF=BB=BF_HARITI?=
In-Reply-To: <20130811051409.32359.qmail@f4mail-235-212.rediffmail.com>
Message-ID: <1376231475.4870.YahooMailNeo@web193504.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

The following might help.
The Western Kadambas called themselves H?rit?putras.? The Pur??as seem to know them as k?atropet?
dvij?taya?. See ?Introduction? AVP II Skt College edn, Calcutta 1970, partially
repeated in 2011 (AVP III Asiatic Society edn). 
Best
DB



________________________________
 From: alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>
To: indology at list.indology.info 
Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2013 10:44 AM
Subject: [INDOLOGY] ? HARITI
 



To all,

I would like to know if there is any equivalent in  Indian mythology to MAHAYANA Buddhist goddess HARITI ?


ALAKENDU  DAS
 

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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Mon Aug 12 19:55:35 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 13 19:55:35 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB078F8@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus" (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul). The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he is translating?

Cheers,



-j





Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University







From hermantull at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 20:52:39 2013
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 13 16:52:39 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
In-Reply-To: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB078F8@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNgitSxPxGjq1jPqQTmViPJEF01YZKQfHij_LVYVA_KC2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Joseph:

I too recently was looking for information on Caul. The article, according
to Rosane Rocher, is written by Caul, with a commentary by JOnes:I found
just one reference: "Though he [Jones] obtained from Govardhana Caul, the
Kashmiri Brahman newly appointed pandit to the Supreme Court, the brief
account "On the Literature of the Hindus," which he presented to the
Society on the 4 May 1787, in the longer commentary he [Jones] appended..."
(Rocher, ("Weaving Knowledge: Sir William Jones and the Indian Pandits"
1995: 59)

The commentary (Jones's section) begins "The first chapter of a rare
Sanscrit Book, entitled VidyAdersa, or a View of Learnings is written in so
close and concise a style, that some parts of it are very obscure..."

I presume, then that the title of the book being cited is "Vidyadersa"
(perhaps, "Vidya-darsha" but with Jones's odd orthography, which at the
time was often based on Bengali pronunciation).  He also then quotes the
beginning of the text:
[image: Inline image 1]
(p. 104 of Volume 2, Asiatick Researches, London, 1792 edition)

I have no idea what text this might be, but perhaps others will recognize
it.

Some help, I hope...

Herman


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>wrote:

> I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus"
> (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul).
> The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at
> least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders
> "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he
> is translating?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -j
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Walser
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Department of Religion
>
> Tufts University
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>



-- 
*Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ *


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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Mon Aug 12 21:12:55 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 13 21:12:55 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNgitSxPxGjq1jPqQTmViPJEF01YZKQfHij_LVYVA_KC2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Herman,

Hmmm.... There is a review/summary of Caul's essay in L'Esprit des Journaux (1791) p. 117, in which the author describes Caul's work as a "translation and running commentary." He makes no mention of Jones. The 1805 French version in Recherches Asiatiques vol. 1, 368ff. merely opens with "Memoire traduit du sanskrit, communique par Goverdhan Kal, avec un court Commentaire." Again, no mention of Jones anywhere, even though he is given credit for a number of the other essays in the same volume.

Thanks for the information on Caul, though. This really helps!



Andrew, thank you so much for locating this passage so quickly. Now I just need to figure out where he got the terms "speculative" and "practical" in the Sanskrit.

Best,



-j





Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University

________________________________
From: Herman Tull [hermantull at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 4:52 PM
To: Walser, Joseph; Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?

Joseph:

I too recently was looking for information on Caul. The article, according to Rosane Rocher, is written by Caul, with a commentary by JOnes:I found just one reference: "Though he [Jones] obtained from Govardhana Caul, the Kashmiri Brahman newly appointed pandit to the Supreme Court, the brief account "On the Literature of the Hindus," which he presented to the Society on the 4 May 1787, in the longer commentary he [Jones] appended..." (Rocher, ("Weaving Knowledge: Sir William Jones and the Indian Pandits" 1995: 59)

The commentary (Jones's section) begins "The first chapter of a rare Sanscrit Book, entitled VidyAdersa, or a View of Learnings is written in so close and concise a style, that some parts of it are very obscure..."

I presume, then that the title of the book being cited is "Vidyadersa" (perhaps, "Vidya-darsha" but with Jones's odd orthography, which at the time was often based on Bengali pronunciation).  He also then quotes the beginning of the text:
[Inline image 1]
(p. 104 of Volume 2, Asiatick Researches, London, 1792 edition)

I have no idea what text this might be, but perhaps others will recognize it.

Some help, I hope...

Herman


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu<mailto:Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>> wrote:
I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus" (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul). The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he is translating?

Cheers,



-j





Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University



_______________________________________________
INDOLOGY mailing list
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 21:19:14 2013
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 13 17:19:14 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
In-Reply-To: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB0794E@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>
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I've not read the French versions since the English versions are readily
accessible through google books and archive. org.  However, generally (and
I am not sure where I read this) but when a section from the Jones edited
volumes has "commentary" at the head, the author is Jones (who as president
of the organization and presumably editor-in-chief is sometimes uncredited).


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>wrote:

> Herman,
>
> Hmmm.... There is a review/summary of Caul's essay in L'Esprit des
> Journaux (1791) p. 117, in which the author describes Caul's work as a
> "translation and running commentary." He makes no mention of Jones. The
> 1805 French version in Recherches Asiatiques vol. 1, 368ff. merely opens
> with "Memoire traduit du sanskrit, communique par Goverdhan Kal, avec un
> court Commentaire." Again, no mention of Jones anywhere, even though he is
> given credit for a number of the other essays in the same volume.
>
> Thanks for the information on Caul, though. This really helps!
>
>
>
> Andrew, thank you so much for locating this passage so quickly. Now I just
> need to figure out where he got the terms "speculative" and "practical" in
> the Sanskrit.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> -j
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Walser
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Department of Religion
>
> Tufts University
>
> ________________________________
> From: Herman Tull [hermantull at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 4:52 PM
> To: Walser, Joseph; Indology
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
>
> Joseph:
>
> I too recently was looking for information on Caul. The article, according
> to Rosane Rocher, is written by Caul, with a commentary by JOnes:I found
> just one reference: "Though he [Jones] obtained from Govardhana Caul, the
> Kashmiri Brahman newly appointed pandit to the Supreme Court, the brief
> account "On the Literature of the Hindus," which he presented to the
> Society on the 4 May 1787, in the longer commentary he [Jones] appended..."
> (Rocher, ("Weaving Knowledge: Sir William Jones and the Indian Pandits"
> 1995: 59)
>
> The commentary (Jones's section) begins "The first chapter of a rare
> Sanscrit Book, entitled VidyAdersa, or a View of Learnings is written in so
> close and concise a style, that some parts of it are very obscure..."
>
> I presume, then that the title of the book being cited is "Vidyadersa"
> (perhaps, "Vidya-darsha" but with Jones's odd orthography, which at the
> time was often based on Bengali pronunciation).  He also then quotes the
> beginning of the text:
> [Inline image 1]
> (p. 104 of Volume 2, Asiatick Researches, London, 1792 edition)
>
> I have no idea what text this might be, but perhaps others will recognize
> it.
>
> Some help, I hope...
>
> Herman
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu
> <mailto:Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>> wrote:
> I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus"
> (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul).
> The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at
> least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders
> "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he
> is translating?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -j
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Walser
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Department of Religion
>
> Tufts University
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>
>
>
> --
> Herman Tull
> Princeton, NJ
>



-- 
*Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ *


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From gthomgt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 21:26:24 2013
From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 13 17:26:24 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNgitSxPxGjq1jPqQTmViPJEF01YZKQfHij_LVYVA_KC2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Herman and list,

Looking at my Vedic Concordance, I see a resemblance in this passage to TA
1.11.5a, to the text or translation of which I do not have access right now.

Best,

George T

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Joseph:
>
> I too recently was looking for information on Caul. The article, according
> to Rosane Rocher, is written by Caul, with a commentary by JOnes:I found
> just one reference: "Though he [Jones] obtained from Govardhana Caul, the
> Kashmiri Brahman newly appointed pandit to the Supreme Court, the brief
> account "On the Literature of the Hindus," which he presented to the
> Society on the 4 May 1787, in the longer commentary he [Jones] appended..."
> (Rocher, ("Weaving Knowledge: Sir William Jones and the Indian Pandits"
> 1995: 59)
>
> The commentary (Jones's section) begins "The first chapter of a rare
> Sanscrit Book, entitled VidyAdersa, or a View of Learnings is written in
> so close and concise a style, that some parts of it are very obscure..."
>
> I presume, then that the title of the book being cited is "Vidyadersa"
> (perhaps, "Vidya-darsha" but with Jones's odd orthography, which at the
> time was often based on Bengali pronunciation).  He also then quotes the
> beginning of the text:
> [image: Inline image 1]
> (p. 104 of Volume 2, Asiatick Researches, London, 1792 edition)
>
> I have no idea what text this might be, but perhaps others will recognize
> it.
>
> Some help, I hope...
>
> Herman
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>wrote:
>
>> I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus"
>> (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul).
>> The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at
>> least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders
>> "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he
>> is translating?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> -j
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph Walser
>>
>> Associate Professor
>>
>> Department of Religion
>>
>> Tufts University
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Herman Tull
> Princeton, NJ *
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
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From tlsmith at ufl.edu  Mon Aug 12 21:33:40 2013
From: tlsmith at ufl.edu (Smith,Travis LaMar)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 13 21:33:40 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
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Dear All,

While I can't help with the rest, the quoted text is G?t? 15.1. 

-Travis

--
Travis L. Smith
Assistant Professor
Department of Religion
University of Florida


________________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of George Thompson [gthomgt at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:26 PM
To: Herman Tull
Cc: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?

Dear Herman and list,

Looking at my Vedic Concordance, I see a resemblance in this passage to TA 1.11.5a, to the text or translation of which I do not have access right now.

Best,

George T

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com<mailto:hermantull at gmail.com>> wrote:
Joseph:

I too recently was looking for information on Caul. The article, according to Rosane Rocher, is written by Caul, with a commentary by JOnes:I found just one reference: "Though he [Jones] obtained from Govardhana Caul, the Kashmiri Brahman newly appointed pandit to the Supreme Court, the brief account "On the Literature of the Hindus," which he presented to the Society on the 4 May 1787, in the longer commentary he [Jones] appended..." (Rocher, ("Weaving Knowledge: Sir William Jones and the Indian Pandits" 1995: 59)

The commentary (Jones's section) begins "The first chapter of a rare Sanscrit Book, entitled VidyAdersa, or a View of Learnings is written in so close and concise a style, that some parts of it are very obscure..."

I presume, then that the title of the book being cited is "Vidyadersa" (perhaps, "Vidya-darsha" but with Jones's odd orthography, which at the time was often based on Bengali pronunciation).  He also then quotes the beginning of the text:
[Inline image 1]
(p. 104 of Volume 2, Asiatick Researches, London, 1792 edition)

I have no idea what text this might be, but perhaps others will recognize it.

Some help, I hope...

Herman


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu<mailto:Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>> wrote:
I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus" (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul). The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he is translating?

Cheers,



-j





Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University



_______________________________________________
INDOLOGY mailing list
INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
http://listinfo.indology.info



--
Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ

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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 14:59:50 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 13 16:59:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Post-doc position in Leiden: Buddhism and Social Justice
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4L1gckFRznJs3m4fi+j-9iQsLsQYMGwttZvFghw=dHeYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for cross-posting:

http://werkenbij.leidenuniv.nl/vacatures/wetenschappelijke-functies/13-249-postdoc-position-in-the-nwo-project-buddhism-and-social-justice.html


Post-Doctoral Fellow Position in the NWO project Buddhism and Social Justice

The Faculty of Humanities, vacancy 13-249
The Leiden University Institute for Area Studies

The Leiden University Institute for Area Studies (LIAS) of the Faculty of
Humanities at Leiden University invites applications for a One Year
full-time position (Post-doctoral Fellow) in the field of Buddhist Studies,
to begin as soon as possible.

*One Year Post-Doctoral Fellow Position in the NWO Project Buddhism and
Social Justice (1.0 fte)
Vacancy number: 13-249*

Since its foundation in 1575, Leiden University, with around 17,000
students and 4,000 staff, has built an internationally recognized record of
excellence in teaching and research. The Faculty of Humanities consists of
the Institutes for Area Studies, Creative & Performing Arts, Cultural
Disciplines, History, Linguistics, Philosophy, and Religious Studies. It
has about 4,500 students and 900 staff from around the world. The faculty
offers about 30 BA and 45 MA programs. The Graduate School has an annual
output of about 50 PhDs.

The Leiden University Institute for Area Studies (
http://www.hum.leiden.edu/lias/), which comprises the Schools of Asian
Studies and Middle Eastern Studies, is committed to the integration of
disciplinary and regional-historical perspectives, and has as its aim the
advancement of teaching and research of Area Studies at Leiden University
and in the wider academic community. Area specializations in Asian Studies
include Chinese, Japanese, Korean, South- & Southeast Asian, and Tibetan
Studies.

Duties and responsibilities

We seek a Post-Doctoral Fellow with excellent qualifications to work in the
NWO Project Buddhism and Social Justice. Specialization is open, but the
applicant should focus her/his work on the general subject area of the
project. The project is ongoing (see http://www.BuddhismAndSocialJustice.com),
with the One Year vacancy made possible by the departure of a present
Post-doc fellow for a tenured appointment elsewhere.

Applicants should  have a demonstrably excellent academic track record in
Buddhist Studies, and hold a PhD in Buddhist Studies or a related field, or
its equivalent. They should have an excellent command of English and be
prepared to present their research results in English. Within the one year
time frame, the successful candidate should engage in research, prepare at
least one article for publication, and participate in the project?s
upcoming international conference.

What we offer

The position is for one year with a full-time appointment. The salary is
determined in accordance with the current scales as set out in the
collective labour agreement for the Dutch universities (CAO): min. ? 2.427,
max. ? 3.491, with additional holiday and end-of-year bonuses. Candidates
from outside the Netherlands may be eligible for a substantial tax break.
Further information

For more information about the position please contact Prof. dr. J.A Silk,
tel. +31-71-527-2510, email j.a.silk at hum.leidenuniv.nl. Please note that
applications should not be sent directly to Prof. Silk.
How to apply

Candidates please send your application (in English), including:
? a cover letter stating your motivation for this position, and proposed
project
? a CV,
? copies of your academic transcripts,
? a copy of your PhD thesis and other relevant publications,
? the names and contact information for three referees.

These items should preferably be submitted in a single PDF document called
?Family Name-Given Name-13-249.?

Review of applications will commence immediately and continue until the
position is filled or this call is closed.

Please *send your application* electronically, indicating the vacancy
number to:  vacatureslias at hum.leidenuniv.nl
All application materials should be sent in pdf format.

If it is not possible for you to submit an electronic application, you may
mail your materials, citing the vacancy number, to:

M. van Asperen
Leiden University
P&O FGW
PO Box 9515
2300 RA Leiden
The Netherlands

A telephone (or Skype) interview may be part of the selection procedure.

-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
Doelensteeg 16
2311 VL Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html


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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Tue Aug 13 16:10:17 2013
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 13 16:10:17 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] HARITI
Message-ID: <20130813161017.4540.qmail@f4mail-235-233.rediffmail.com>





 To All,

         Thanks everybody for enlightening me on Hariti.

                                                        In fact it is fascinating to think of how  Buddhism,  setting off as a new religion,  completed a full circle and left influences on Hinduism.

  

                                               ALAKENDU DAS

                                                  India

                                              Post-Graduate, INDOLOGY

                                                


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From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu  Tue Aug 13 18:00:22 2013
From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 13 18:00:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?
In-Reply-To: <967B8B1729D3284EAD6142D165B602EA2208D7A2@UFEXCH-MBXN02.ad.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <E5F571B94D36DB4AA048E0CF279CFC700BB08C7B@SSVMEXDAG01MB01.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>

My thanks to all who have responded to my query, both publically and privately.
-j

Joseph Walser
Associate Professor
Department of Religion
Tufts University

________________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of Smith,Travis LaMar [tlsmith at ufl.edu]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:33 PM
Cc: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?

Dear All,

While I can't help with the rest, the quoted text is G?t? 15.1.

-Travis

--
Travis L. Smith
Assistant Professor
Department of Religion
University of Florida


________________________________________
From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of George Thompson [gthomgt at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:26 PM
To: Herman Tull
Cc: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "On the Literature of the Hindus" ?

Dear Herman and list,

Looking at my Vedic Concordance, I see a resemblance in this passage to TA 1.11.5a, to the text or translation of which I do not have access right now.

Best,

George T

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com<mailto:hermantull at gmail.com>> wrote:
Joseph:

I too recently was looking for information on Caul. The article, according to Rosane Rocher, is written by Caul, with a commentary by JOnes:I found just one reference: "Though he [Jones] obtained from Govardhana Caul, the Kashmiri Brahman newly appointed pandit to the Supreme Court, the brief account "On the Literature of the Hindus," which he presented to the Society on the 4 May 1787, in the longer commentary he [Jones] appended..." (Rocher, ("Weaving Knowledge: Sir William Jones and the Indian Pandits" 1995: 59)

The commentary (Jones's section) begins "The first chapter of a rare Sanscrit Book, entitled VidyAdersa, or a View of Learnings is written in so close and concise a style, that some parts of it are very obscure..."

I presume, then that the title of the book being cited is "Vidyadersa" (perhaps, "Vidya-darsha" but with Jones's odd orthography, which at the time was often based on Bengali pronunciation).  He also then quotes the beginning of the text:
[Inline image 1]
(p. 104 of Volume 2, Asiatick Researches, London, 1792 edition)

I have no idea what text this might be, but perhaps others will recognize it.

Some help, I hope...

Herman


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu<mailto:Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>> wrote:
I have been reading the 1791 essay "On the Literature of the Hindus" (sometimes attributed to Wiliam Jones, but seems to be by Govardhan Caul). The first part of it seems to be a translation of a Sanskrit text that, at least in the French version of the same essay, the translator renders "Science universelle pratique & speculative." Does anyone know what text he is translating?

Cheers,



-j





Joseph Walser

Associate Professor

Department of Religion

Tufts University



_______________________________________________
INDOLOGY mailing list
INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
http://listinfo.indology.info



--
Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ

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From jim at khecari.com  Wed Aug 14 12:21:41 2013
From: jim at khecari.com (Jim Mallinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 13:21:41 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_gajag=C4=81min=C4=AB_and_other_elephant_similes_in_early_k=C4=81vya?=
Message-ID: <8964AF5C-8CE3-4A45-8DF7-AE95DEC97309@khecari.com>

Dear All,

A colleague not on the list has asked me to post the following:

The comparison of a woman's walk to that of an elephant was celebrated in MF Husain's film 'Gajagamini'.  The expression is usually thought to come from Kalidasa but I've not found it in a cursory search of his work.  The earliest occurrences seem to be in the Mahabharata.  Any confirmation of texts using gajagamini and details of elephant similes in kavya would be welcome e.g.  women's thighs like elephant trunks, breasts like elephants' bosses.

Yours, with best wishes,

Jim Mallinson


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 12:25:38 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 14:25:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Job advertisement: Head of the Institute of South and Central Asia of the Faculty of Arts of Charles University in Prague
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeOb4qp_nMKvPnA0U_KukKNqCfmJUNxAvmPMq+BYka3VA@mail.gmail.com>

!!! CLOSING DATE FOR APPLICATION: 18 AUGUST 2013  (sic) !!!

The Dean of the Faculty of Arts of Charles University in Prague hereby
announces a selection procedure for the position of Head of the Institute
of South and Central Asia of the Faculty of Arts of Charles University in
Prague

Requirements:

   - University degree in humanities (in a field related to South or
   Central Asia)
   - Ph.D. or CSc. degree or an equivalent or higher degree
   - Curriculum Vitae, including bibliography (in English)
   - Strategy for the development of the Institute and the field of study
   (drawn up for at least the next 3 years, maximum length 10 pages, in
   English)

The strategy must include in particular:

   - Personnel development
   - Development of teaching and the strategy for the study programme
   - Development of science and research, including specific fields of
   development
   - Outline of other possibilities for development of the Institute

Earliest possible appointment date: 1 October 2013.

!!! CLOSING DATE FOR APPLICATION: 18 AUGUST 2013  (sic) !!!

Applications in hard copies with CVs, certified evidence of education,
qualification and
experience, overview of research, teaching and publication activity
attached are to be sent within
30 days of this announcement (18 July 2013)  to the following address:

Filozofick? fakulta UK v Praze,
doc. PhDr. Michal Stehl?k, Ph.D., d?kan,
N?m. Jana Palacha 2, 116 38,
Praha 1.

Please indicate KONKURZ ? ?STAV JI?N? A CENTR?LN? ASIE (?SELECTION
PROCEDURE ? INSTITUTE
OF SOUTH AND CENTRAL ASIA?) visibly on the envelope.

Applications may also be submitted via email to:  Michal Stehlik <
Michal.Stehlik at ff.cuni.cz>


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From klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi  Wed Aug 14 12:45:31 2013
From: klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi (Klaus Karttunen)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 15:45:31 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_gajag=C4=81min=C4=AB_and_other_elephant_similes_in_early_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <8964AF5C-8CE3-4A45-8DF7-AE95DEC97309@khecari.com>
Message-ID: <8CFF042D-45DD-4278-8EC2-C045E4E38C53@helsinki.fi>

Dear Jim,
according to my notes, some early references about female gait resembling that of an elephant include Bhavabh?ti MM 9, 27, Dh?rtavi?asa?v?da after 16, P?dat??itaka 88, Kum?rad?sa J?nak?h. 1, 29, and Manu 3, 10. For male, princely gait already in the R?m?ya?a (e.g. 1, 47, 2 and 2, 38, 6). In 3, 44, 18f.  S?t??s thigh is smooth as an elephant?s trunk.  

Best,
Klaus

Klaus Karttunen
South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies
Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures
PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
Tel +358-(0)9-191 22674
Fax +358-(0)9-191 22094
Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi





On Aug 14, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Jim Mallinson wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> A colleague not on the list has asked me to post the following:
> 
> The comparison of a woman's walk to that of an elephant was celebrated in MF Husain's film 'Gajagamini'.  The expression is usually thought to come from Kalidasa but I've not found it in a cursory search of his work.  The earliest occurrences seem to be in the Mahabharata.  Any confirmation of texts using gajagamini and details of elephant similes in kavya would be welcome e.g.  women's thighs like elephant trunks, breasts like elephants' bosses.
> 
> Yours, with best wishes,
> 
> Jim Mallinson
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info



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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 13:16:57 2013
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 15:16:57 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09gajag=C4=81min=C4=AB_and_other_elephant_similes_in_early_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <8CFF042D-45DD-4278-8EC2-C045E4E38C53@helsinki.fi>
Message-ID: <CAKA8X43zKrTJ9+QbadxZNai8X23tSfx-a2W4dn299sLTWHD6TA@mail.gmail.com>

HI Jim

Thought perhaps not directly relevant, Apte's Dictionary lists under
Hastini a quote from the Ratimanjari, a text from the Kamashastra tradition
which includes a description of the classic types of women lovers.
Ratimanjari 8 describes the 'elephant-like' woman.  Here's a possible
translation of the quote:  "With thick womb, thick buttocks and lips, thick
fingers, thick breasts, amiable, eager for love, delighting in intense
sexual passion, a tremendous eater, (unusually short), indeed the hastini
is, she is considered the female elephant."
The other three classic Kamashastra types are Shankini, Citrini and
Rupini.

These same typologies appear in some of the Buddhist tantras, with
sometimes amusing, relatively unflattering male yogi versions to match.
See for example Kalacakratantra/Vimalaprabha, Abhishekapatala vss 138-144,
wherein the 'Elephant' yogi is described as a passionate lover who also
moves slowly, is extremely foolish, and has a putrid smell.

Cheers


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Klaus Karttunen <
klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi> wrote:

> Dear Jim,
> according to my notes, some early references about female gait resembling
> that of an elephant include Bhavabh?ti MM 9, 27, Dh?rtavi?asa?v?da after
> 16, P?dat??itaka 88, Kum?rad?sa J?nak?h. 1, 29, and Manu 3, 10. For male,
> princely gait already in the R?m?ya?a (e.g. 1, 47, 2 and 2, 38, 6). In 3,
> 44, 18f.  S?t??s thigh is smooth as an elephant?s trunk.
>
> Best,
> Klaus
>
> Klaus Karttunen
> South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies
> Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures
> PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
> 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
> Tel +358-(0)9-191 22674
> Fax +358-(0)9-191 22094
> Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Jim Mallinson wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> A colleague not on the list has asked me to post the following:
>
> The comparison of a woman's walk to that of an elephant was celebrated in
> MF Husain's film 'Gajagamini'.  The expression is usually thought to come
> from Kalidasa but I've not found it in a cursory search of his work.  The
> earliest occurrences seem to be in the Mahabharata.  Any confirmation of
> texts using gajagamini and details of elephant similes in kavya would be
> welcome e.g.  women's thighs like elephant trunks, breasts like elephants'
> bosses.
>
>
> Yours, with best wishes,
>
> Jim Mallinson
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
>



-- 
James Hartzell, PhD
Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC)
The University of Trento, Italy


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From hr at ivs.edu  Wed Aug 14 14:08:27 2013
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 07:08:27 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_gajag=C4=81min=C4=AB_and_other_elephant_similes_in_early_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKA8X43zKrTJ9+QbadxZNai8X23tSfx-a2W4dn299sLTWHD6TA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63D420D7-29AD-4C65-810E-765FE4FEFC62@ivs.edu>

We also have Bhagavata-purana 4.25.24: gaja-gAmiNI.

Best,
Howard



On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:16 AM, James Hartzell <james.hartzell at gmail.com> wrote:

> HI Jim
> 
> Thought perhaps not directly relevant, Apte's Dictionary lists under Hastini a quote from the Ratimanjari, a text from the Kamashastra tradition which includes a description of the classic types of women lovers.  Ratimanjari 8 describes the 'elephant-like' woman.  Here's a possible translation of the quote:  "With thick womb, thick buttocks and lips, thick fingers, thick breasts, amiable, eager for love, delighting in intense sexual passion, a tremendous eater, (unusually short), indeed the hastini is, she is considered the female elephant."
> The other three classic Kamashastra types are Shankini, Citrini and Rupini.  
> 
> These same typologies appear in some of the Buddhist tantras, with sometimes amusing, relatively unflattering male yogi versions to match.  See for example Kalacakratantra/Vimalaprabha, Abhishekapatala vss 138-144, wherein the 'Elephant' yogi is described as a passionate lover who also moves slowly, is extremely foolish, and has a putrid smell.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Klaus Karttunen <klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Dear Jim,
> according to my notes, some early references about female gait resembling that of an elephant include Bhavabh?ti MM 9, 27, Dh?rtavi?asa?v?da after 16, P?dat??itaka 88, Kum?rad?sa J?nak?h. 1, 29, and Manu 3, 10. For male, princely gait already in the R?m?ya?a (e.g. 1, 47, 2 and 2, 38, 6). In 3, 44, 18f.  S?t??s thigh is smooth as an elephant?s trunk.  
> 
> Best,
> Klaus
> 
> Klaus Karttunen
> South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and African Studies, Department of World CulturesPL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLANDTel +358-(0)9-191 22674 Fax +358-(0)9-191 22094
> Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Jim Mallinson wrote:
> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> A colleague not on the list has asked me to post the following:
>> 
>> The comparison of a woman's walk to that of an elephant was celebrated in MF Husain's film 'Gajagamini'.  The expression is usually thought to come from Kalidasa but I've not found it in a cursory search of his work.  The earliest occurrences seem to be in the Mahabharata.  Any confirmation of texts using gajagamini and details of elephant similes in kavya would be welcome e.g.  women's thighs like elephant trunks, breasts like elephants' bosses.
>> 
>> Yours, with best wishes,
>> 
>> Jim Mallinson
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> http://listinfo.indology.info
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Hartzell, PhD
> Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC)
> The University of Trento, Italy
> _______________________________________________
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From sellmers at gmx.de  Wed Aug 14 20:18:06 2013
From: sellmers at gmx.de (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 22:18:06 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] vidhya?
Message-ID: <C70C189B-55BF-425A-9C9A-5CF05462D29F@gmx.de>

Dear Colleagues!
Just a minor query. A student of mine noticed that in India, the word vidy? not infrequently is spelled "vidhya" (in Roman transcription). Does anyone have an idea what may be the reason for this strange spelling? Is it restricted to certain areas? 
Best wishes,
Sven Sellmer




From hhhock at illinois.edu  Wed Aug 14 20:28:18 2013
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 20:28:18 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] vidhya?
In-Reply-To: <C70C189B-55BF-425A-9C9A-5CF05462D29F@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <24813ACCC4FD7E4BA49C84D3751BCCDE966DD0F5@CHIMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu>

In the Dravidian South the spellings th, dh are quite common to indicate dental, rather than retroflex pronunciation. Since Dravidian languages do not have aspirates natively (with possibly some minor exceptions in some numerals), English th [?], which is dental, would be rendered as dental [t], while post-dental Engl. t was identified as retroflex [?] and hence could be used to spell the retroflex voiceless stop. The pattern evidently was extended to the voiced stops in order to make the same distinction. (The use of th, dh to indicate dental stops is not employed systematically; so a fair amount of spelling variation occurs.)

Cheers,

Hans Henrich Hock






On 14 Aug 2013, at 15:18, Sven Sellmer wrote:

Dear Colleagues!
Just a minor query. A student of mine noticed that in India, the word vidy? not infrequently is spelled "vidhya" (in Roman transcription). Does anyone have an idea what may be the reason for this strange spelling? Is it restricted to certain areas?
Best wishes,
Sven Sellmer
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From sellmers at gmx.de  Wed Aug 14 20:59:00 2013
From: sellmers at gmx.de (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 22:59:00 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] vidhya?
In-Reply-To: <24813ACCC4FD7E4BA49C84D3751BCCDE966DD0F5@CHIMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <0E882CA5-BDFB-42D4-A66D-1F903EA2DF7D@gmx.de>

Thanks a lot for all your quick responses!

Actually, I had come across spellings like "sathya" and thought that it might have something to do with Dravidian languages. Now I understand the logic behind it. What still puzzles me are examples from further North like:

Gujarat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_Vidhya_Sabha
Madhya Pradesh: Vidhya Sagar Secondary School in Bhopal (http://www.justdial.com/Bhopal/vidhya-sagar-higher-secondary-school-%3Cnear%3E-Bhanpur/0755P755STD71001_BZDET) etc.

But perhaps this is just the influence of South Indian transcription styles.

All the best,
Sven

Am 14.08.2013 um 22:28 schrieb "Hock, Hans Henrich" <hhhock at illinois.edu>:

> In the Dravidian South the spellings th, dh are quite common to indicate dental, rather than retroflex pronunciation. Since Dravidian languages do not have aspirates natively (with possibly some minor exceptions in some numerals), English th [?], which is dental, would be rendered as dental [t], while post-dental Engl. t was identified as retroflex [?] and hence could be used to spell the retroflex voiceless stop. The pattern evidently was extended to the voiced stops in order to make the same distinction. (The use of th, dh to indicate dental stops is not employed systematically; so a fair amount of spelling variation occurs.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Hans Henrich Hock
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 Aug 2013, at 15:18, Sven Sellmer wrote:
> 
>> Dear Colleagues!
>> Just a minor query. A student of mine noticed that in India, the word vidy? not infrequently is spelled "vidhya" (in Roman transcription). Does anyone have an idea what may be the reason for this strange spelling? Is it restricted to certain areas? 
>> Best wishes,
>> Sven Sellmer
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> http://listinfo.indology.info
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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 05:37:25 2013
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 13 22:37:25 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit radio started
Message-ID: <B14B6DED-E798-482F-9756-2A0721096941@gmail.com>

Something that should make this Independence Day of India especially memorable:

Divyavani
Online Sanskrit Radio


Dear Friends,

Divyavani - The online Sanskrit Radio will be launched at 11am (IST) on 15th August 2013. You can experience it by visitingwww.divyavani.aurosociety.org.

It's a twenty-four hours online radio through which one can listen to a variety of programs in Sanskrit, including Songs and shlokas, Sanskrit plays, Sanskrit conversations, Interviews with renowned people, Talks and Speeches, Stories, Jokes and humorous anecdotes, Nursery Rhymes, Children's programs and much more.

This Radio is accessible through Windows, Mac and iPhone/iPad.

Click Here for  the detailed current program schedule after the Launch.

Please send your feedback to divyavani at aurosociety.org

If you would like to participate or contribute to this program please contact us.
 friend on Facebook | forward to a friend 
Sri Aurobindo Foundation for Indian Culture (SAFIC)
Sri Aurobindo Soceity
11, Saint Martin Street
Puducherry -605001
India
www.aurosociety.org



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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 13:53:04 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 13 15:53:04 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Is it possible someone has a copy of Harry Falk's "Goodies for India" paper to share with me? thanks!
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4L-mb3ObSAnh81gdYOZB-LC4QTVsDiC+K9vSZPLPKhQSA@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
Doelensteeg 16
2311 VL Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 15:25:44 2013
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 13 17:25:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] the wonders of this list and generous colleagues!! I have already received Harry Falk's paper, with great thanks! :-)
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4L+EiL6-MKGmVDym8662qNVQGi8-+dkUqBnaaE9x+rS-w@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37
Doelensteeg 16
2311 VL Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
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From jmdelire at ulb.ac.be  Fri Aug 16 13:54:16 2013
From: jmdelire at ulb.ac.be (Jean-Michel Delire)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 13 15:54:16 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] RORI, Jodhpur
Message-ID: <4102520e2f084c9e9@wm-srv.ulb.ac.be>

Many thanks to Jason, John, Tim, Tyler, Dominik and Andrey for their valuable help about RORI, Jodhpur.
Actually, the RORI doesn't follow strictly its own written rules, happily. Some sort of janitor lady (usually staying in the hall or watching series in the computer room) asked for a PhD number or something, but a letter from my University was finally sufficient. It is true that many Mss. have been digitalized, but, if not, you are not allowed to use your own camera. There was a problem with a CD bearing one of the Mss. I asked for. They found the original and just took photographs of the Ms. again for me. Unhappily, two of the Mss. I wanted to see were not digitalized and under the responsibility of a lady who was on medical leave, and apparently nobody else would take the risk to replace her. This is quite common in Indian Mss. libraries. Some years ago, in Varanasi, the librarian was missing, and the day after, the key was missing. Usually somebody is missing (the person in charge of Xeroxing in Baroda, the person in charge of the Sanskrit Mss. in Hyderabad) but he/she can often be replaced (by going to a private Xerox shop in Baroda, by the person in charge of Arabic Mss. in Hyderabad) when you insist. Hindi is a must at the RORI (happily, I was there with a friend to help me) for most of the staff does not (want to ?) understand English. Even the nodal officer, Mrs Vastumati Sharma, who is very nice and the first person to meet in order to facilitate the following steps, had some problems to talk with me directly. I didn't have the opportunity to meet Dr Kamal-ji.

Regards,

Jean Michel Delire





From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Fri Aug 16 16:44:04 2013
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 13 18:44:04 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit radio started
In-Reply-To: <B14B6DED-E798-482F-9756-2A0721096941@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520E56D4.6080809@uni-muenchen.de>

Dear Ashok,

The subject line reads "Sanskrit radio started" -- but is it a one-day 
pilot project, or the start of something more lasting? I tried to listen 
in, but I get redirected.

Robert

Ashok Aklujkar wrote:
> Something that should make this Independence Day of India especially
> memorable:
>
> Divyavani
> Online Sanskrit Radio
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Divyavani - The online Sanskrit Radio will be launched at 11am (IST) on
> 15th August 2013. You can experience it by
> visitingwww.divyavani.aurosociety.org
> <http://aurosociety.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=50dd3f350d016c151c35d7844&id=3ada3e3bab&e=29e16a2b8d>.





From jacob at fabularasa.dk  Sun Aug 18 16:25:21 2013
From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 13 18:25:21 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Email for Rangachar Vasantha?
Message-ID: <8c78278c16fbf7fea11e3f13f3a3bf03@fabularasa.dk>

Dear list,

I am trying to contact art and board game historian Rangachar Vasantha. 
The only email I can find for her is venkata at hd2.dot.net.in which 
apparently is not in use anymore.

Does anyone here have a more recent email address for her?

Kind regards,
Jacob

Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
Teaching Assistant
Department of Indology
University of Copenhagen





From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au  Mon Aug 19 18:14:38 2013
From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 13 18:14:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Two quotes
Message-ID: <A7CD55931B98B242BDABC1918FD296E0037FB8FE@SIXPRD0610MB384.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Colleagues

There are two fine quotations that I have in my mind, but I cannot locate the original sources. The sense of the quotes is as follows:

1. an English quote: to be Hindu is to be pur??ic (i.e. pur??ic discourses are at the heart of contemporary Hindu beliefs and practices)

2. a Sanskrit ?loka:  worms/bugs/grubs/insects (which consume MSS) have a great appetite for Sanskrit literature

Any responses offline to mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au<mailto:mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au>  would be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance

McComas


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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 01:27:00 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 13 18:27:00 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] White Article
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN_uQav=9XYsW5hxU8XErS7a2cSVPTtNJiULyTS6QbZ1wA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

does anyone have a copy of the rather hard to get hold of David White
article, "Early Understandings of Yoga in the Light of Three Aphorisms from
the Yoga Sutras of Pata?jali" ? It appeared in a French volume some years
ago...

thanks!

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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Wed Aug 21 13:51:38 2013
From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 13 13:51:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #421
Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D943FC56881@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de>

GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection:


Isvarakrsna: Samkhyakarika, with Yuktidipika commentary: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm#IkSkarYuktidip


__________________________________________________________________________

"GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement")

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages:

http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm





From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 22:57:02 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 13 15:57:02 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <CAFZJJzH44KhKLENLD-oVdKDTo4zq5X+awxe18esOxg7zNxRb_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN8JSWcZv96Ppn2jiz+E4KxTL1ooZXJzUN53Ds5hoDNmNg@mail.gmail.com>

If I understand Judit correctly, the Nandirudra which Jayaratha writes of
is not half-bull half-man. Identification of Nandin as ?iva's bull is a
recent phenomenon; in the pre-modern period, the bull vehicle was just
called V??abha while Nandin/Nandirudra was a ga?a and one of ?iva's
dv?rap?las.

best, C


On 11 August 2013 06:38, Andrew Nicholson
<andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu>wrote:

> Thanks to all of the Indological sleuths who responded to my query,
> both on- and off-list. The collective knowledge of the scholars here
> is astounding.
>
> I should have mentioned that Kurma Purana 2.7.7 includes "vIrANAM
> vIrabhadro 'haM." It therefore seems a little less likely to me that
> "gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH" only three verses later at 2.7.10 would be a
> repeated reference to Virabhadra. However, the identification of
> Viraka with the half-bull, half-man form of Nandin, suggested by Drs.
> Roebuck and T?rzs?k, makes a lot of sense.
>
> Based on your responses, it also seems there is a dissertation waiting
> to be written on the mythology and iconography of Nandin/Viraka. If
> someone can point me to an article on Nandin that discusses this
> humanoid form, I'd be grateful.
>
> My annotated translation of the Isvara Gita (Kurma Purana 2.1-2.11),
> including this verse about vIraka, will be available from SUNY Press
> in 2014.
>
> All the best,
> Andrew
> ___________________________________
> Andrew J. Nicholson
> Associate Professor
> Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies
> and Dept. of Philosophy
> SUNY Stony Brook
> Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
> Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://listinfo.indology.info
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*?iv?s te panth?na? santu* = May there be blessings on your journey.
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From andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu  Thu Aug 22 17:02:52 2013
From: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu (Andrew Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 13 12:02:52 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Job Announcement, University of Pennsylvania
Message-ID: <CAFZJJzEKL3wr=q=zum7t2Pgk4fXCf+S7jk9dKw42BusELBxE4g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Indology-L members,

I have been asked to post a job announcement (below) to the list on
behalf of the University of Pennsylvania's South Asia Studies
Department.

Best,
Andrew
_________________________________
Andrew J. Nicholson
Associate Professor
SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA
Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098

--------

The South Asia Studies Department at the University of Pennsylvania
invites applications for a full-time appointment as Lecturer in
Sanskrit. The appointment will begin in August 2014 and includes
teaching six courses per academic year. This appointment will be for
one academic year with the possibility of annual renewal for up to an
additional two years, contingent upon a satisfactory performance
review and approval of the Dean.

The appointee will be expected to contribute to the long-term quality,
stability and development of the Sanskrit program at Penn. Candidates
must have research and teaching experience in Sanskrit. A PhD or
near-PhD is strongly preferred. Preference will be given to candidates
with proven creativity and pedagogical success in the design and
delivery of courses, particularly at the elementary and intermediate
levels of instruction.

Submit a cover letter, CV, and a statement of teaching philosophy and
methods via the University job search web site at:
https://pa443.peopleadmin.com/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=1377110686018.
Also submit the names and contact information of three referees who
have agreed to provide letters of reference. The University will
contact the referees with instructions on how to submit their letters.
Review of applications will begin immediately and the process will
continue until the position is filled.

https://pa443.peopleadmin.com/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=1377110686018





From torzsokjudit at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 22 20:37:57 2013
From: torzsokjudit at hotmail.com (Judit Torzsok)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 13 20:37:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN8JSWcZv96Ppn2jiz+E4KxTL1ooZXJzUN53Ds5hoDNmNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W4B3B0153745AA88E23A35CD4D0@phx.gbl>

Indeed, Nandirudra is not a bull in the Haracaritacintaama.ni, nor in a lot of places elsewhere. For a recent discussion in the Tantric context, see the entry Nandin in the 3rd volume of the T?ntrik?bhidh?nako

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:57:02 -0700
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com
To: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu
CC: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"

If I understand Judit correctly, the Nandirudra which Jayaratha writes of is not half-bull half-man. Identification of Nandin as ?iva's bull is a recent phenomenon; in the pre-modern period, the bull vehicle was just called V??abha while Nandin/Nandirudra was a ga?a and one of ?iva's dv?rap?las.


best, C


On 11 August 2013 06:38, Andrew Nicholson <andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu> wrote:

Thanks to all of the Indological sleuths who responded to my query,

both on- and off-list. The collective knowledge of the scholars here

is astounding.



I should have mentioned that Kurma Purana 2.7.7 includes "vIrANAM

vIrabhadro 'haM." It therefore seems a little less likely to me that

"gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH" only three verses later at 2.7.10 would be a

repeated reference to Virabhadra. However, the identification of

Viraka with the half-bull, half-man form of Nandin, suggested by Drs.

Roebuck and T?rzs?k, makes a lot of sense.



Based on your responses, it also seems there is a dissertation waiting

to be written on the mythology and iconography of Nandin/Viraka. If

someone can point me to an article on Nandin that discusses this

humanoid form, I'd be grateful.



My annotated translation of the Isvara Gita (Kurma Purana 2.1-2.11),

including this verse about vIraka, will be available from SUNY Press

in 2014.



All the best,

Andrew

___________________________________

Andrew J. Nicholson

Associate Professor

Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies

and Dept. of Philosophy

SUNY Stony Brook

Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA

Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098



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?iv?s te panth?na? santu = May
there be blessings on your journey.

______________________________________
















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From torzsokjudit at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 22 20:40:24 2013
From: torzsokjudit at hotmail.com (Judit Torzsok)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 13 20:40:24 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN8JSWcZv96Ppn2jiz+E4KxTL1ooZXJzUN53Ds5hoDNmNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W332C514BCB6DA9758AE3E6CD4D0@phx.gbl>

Sorry, my last mail went off by accident before finishing.
So: please see Dominic Goodall?s entry on Nandin in the Taantrikaabhidhaanako"sa, referring also to GOURISWAR BHATTACHARYA, Nandin and Vr?s?abha. ZDMG Suppl. 3,2
(1977) 1545-1567.
best, 
JT
		
	
	
		 

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:57:02 -0700
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com
To: andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu
CC: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] "vIraka"

If I understand Judit correctly, the Nandirudra which Jayaratha writes of is not half-bull half-man. Identification of Nandin as ?iva's bull is a recent phenomenon; in the pre-modern period, the bull vehicle was just called V??abha while Nandin/Nandirudra was a ga?a and one of ?iva's dv?rap?las.


best, C


On 11 August 2013 06:38, Andrew Nicholson <andrew.nicholson at stonybrook.edu> wrote:

Thanks to all of the Indological sleuths who responded to my query,

both on- and off-list. The collective knowledge of the scholars here

is astounding.



I should have mentioned that Kurma Purana 2.7.7 includes "vIrANAM

vIrabhadro 'haM." It therefore seems a little less likely to me that

"gaNeSAnAM ca vIrakaH" only three verses later at 2.7.10 would be a

repeated reference to Virabhadra. However, the identification of

Viraka with the half-bull, half-man form of Nandin, suggested by Drs.

Roebuck and T?rzs?k, makes a lot of sense.



Based on your responses, it also seems there is a dissertation waiting

to be written on the mythology and iconography of Nandin/Viraka. If

someone can point me to an article on Nandin that discusses this

humanoid form, I'd be grateful.



My annotated translation of the Isvara Gita (Kurma Purana 2.1-2.11),

including this verse about vIraka, will be available from SUNY Press

in 2014.



All the best,

Andrew

___________________________________

Andrew J. Nicholson

Associate Professor

Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies

and Dept. of Philosophy

SUNY Stony Brook

Stony Brook, NY 11794-5343  USA

Tel: (631) 632-4030  Fax: (631) 632-4098



_______________________________________________

INDOLOGY mailing list

INDOLOGY at list.indology.info

http://listinfo.indology.info



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?iv?s te panth?na? santu = May
there be blessings on your journey.

______________________________________
















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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 18:59:55 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 13 11:59:55 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9A=C4=81rad=C4=81-sahasran=C4=81ma=3F?=
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN8oyAPsK3bK3emyxu7Tzu-ksAphcrQDs7OkJJDAQw9c1A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Is anyone aware of a published ??rad?-sahasran?ma?  My colleague
Christopher Tompkins has found a MS of a ??rad?-sahasran?ma in Kashm?r, and
is editing it. There has been rumour of a published version from south
India, but I haven't been able to locate it.  Can anyone help?

best,
Chris Wallis
UC Berkeley


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From h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx  Sun Aug 25 02:17:47 2013
From: h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 13 19:17:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] quest
Message-ID: <1377397067.69975.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dear colleagues:
Can you help me find out. Well, according to the ?Sanskrit used in srutis as smritis,Prabhu is the term typically used in the masculine or it can be feminine too? There are instances of this word applied to a woman in this sastras? What classical dictionaries say about this?
Thanking so much for your help let me stay as your server.
Sincerily
?
Dr. Horacio Francisco Arganis Ju?rez
Lic. M.A. Ph. D. Catedr?tico Investigador de la Universidad
Internacional Euroamericana.
Departamento de Filosof?a y Religi?n Comparada.
www.uie.edu.es


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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Mon Aug 26 16:56:08 2013
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 13 18:56:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication Announcement
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nUZv_tTNLrQM2WZuW_tw4efNCFb5mpuWDz2=ystgR2vBA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

I am pleased to announce the publication of a work left unpublished by Marc
Aurel Stein, in which he critically reconsiders his edition and translation
of Kalha?a's R?jatara?gi?? more than fourty years after their first
publication. This volume contains also Stein's photographic documentation
of historical sites and realia referred to by the outstanding poet and
which Stein intended to publish under the title of "Illustrated
R?jatara?gi??", a project that he - despite many attempts - could not bring
to fruition during the last years of his life.

Obrock, Luther (ed.)
Marc Aurel Stein ? Illustrated R?jatara?gi??. Together with Eugen
Hultzsch?s Critical Notes and Stein?s Maps. Edited by Luther Obrock
in Collaboration with Katrin Einicke. [Studia Indologica Universitatis
Halensis 6]. Halle: Universit?tsverlag Halle-Wittenberg 2013.
248 pp. 82 photographs, 2 folding maps.
EUR 78,00 ISBN 978-3-86977-077-2

For details and placement of orders, see
http://www.universitaetsverlag-halle-wittenberg.de/default/studia-indologica/marc-aurel-stein-illustrated-rajatara-gi-i.html


-----------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.


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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Tue Aug 27 05:51:24 2013
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 13 07:51:24 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication Announcement (addendum)
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nW-es3+knn55DP8CKKL=3v68McpQ_ncxOiQ=9ENGK84xQ@mail.gmail.com>

As an additional note on the nature of the illustrations ("Please post if
the illustrations are in color or black and white. The website does not
say"), let me add that taken by Stein himself on the spot in October and
November 1940, the captions are in black and white only and had to be
reproduced for the announced publication from Stein's original, 73 years
old prints bequested by him to the Hungarian Academy of Sciences and to the
British Academy respectively.

Kindly regarding,
WS

-----------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.


2013/8/26 Walter Slaje <slaje at kabelmail.de>

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I am pleased to announce the publication of a work left unpublished by
> Marc Aurel Stein, in which he critically reconsiders his edition and
> translation of Kalha?a's R?jatara?gi?? more than fourty years after their
> first publication. This volume contains also Stein's photographic
> documentation of historical sites and realia referred to by the outstanding
> poet and which Stein intended to publish under the title of "Illustrated
> R?jatara?gi??", a project that he - despite many attempts - could not bring
> to fruition during the last years of his life.
>
> Obrock, Luther (ed.)
> Marc Aurel Stein ? Illustrated R?jatara?gi??. Together with Eugen
> Hultzsch?s Critical Notes and Stein?s Maps. Edited by Luther Obrock
> in Collaboration with Katrin Einicke. [Studia Indologica Universitatis
> Halensis 6]. Halle: Universit?tsverlag Halle-Wittenberg 2013.
> 248 pp. 82 photographs, 2 folding maps.
> EUR 78,00 ISBN 978-3-86977-077-2
>
> For details and placement of orders, see
>
> http://www.universitaetsverlag-halle-wittenberg.de/default/studia-indologica/marc-aurel-stein-illustrated-rajatara-gi-i.html
>
>
> -----------------------------
> Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
> Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar
> Deutschland
>
> Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
> studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
> non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
> sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
> humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
> Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.
>


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From tccahill at loyno.edu  Tue Aug 27 16:47:43 2013
From: tccahill at loyno.edu (Tim Cahill)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 13 11:47:43 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] American Institute of Indian Studies book prizes
Message-ID: <521CD82F.7050203@loyno.edu>


I've been asked to post the announcement below.
Please address your queries to Professor Hatcher.
-T.C.

Brian A. Hatcher
Professor and Packard Chair of Theology
Chair, Department of Religion
314 Eaton Hall
Tufts University
Medford, MA 02155

For those who may be working on their first book manuscript, this is a reminder about the AIIS BOOK PRIZE:

In order to promote scholarship in South Asian Studies, the American Institute of Indian Studies (AIIS) announces the award of two prizes each year for the best unpublished book manuscript on an Indian subject, one in the humanities, ?The Edward Cameron Dimock, Jr. Prize in the Indian Humanities? and one in the social sciences,  ?The Joseph W. Elder Prize in the Indian Social Sciences?. Only junior scholars who have received the PhD within the last eight years (2005 and after)  are eligible. This must be the first book by the author.

A prize committee will determine the yearly winners, though the committee may choose not to award prizes for any year in which worthy submissions are lacking.  The prize will include a subvention of $2500 for the press publishing the manuscript. There is no designated press for publication. Authors are advised to submit their manuscript for publication at the most appropriate press; concurrent submission to multiple presses is recommended. Manuscripts under contract at the time of application are not eligible.

Unrevised dissertations are not accepted. Applicants must demonstrate they have revised the original dissertation.

Manuscripts are due October 1st, with an announcement of the awardees in the winter of 2013-14 . Send TWO copies of your manuscript, postmarked no later than October 1, 2013, to the Publications Committee Chair, Brian Hatcher, Dept of Religion, Tufts University, 314 Eaton Hall, Medford, MA 02144. Queries can be addressed tobrian.hatcher at tufts.edu.











From jacob at fabularasa.dk  Tue Aug 27 19:14:49 2013
From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 13 21:14:49 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Kr=C4=AB=E1=B8=8D=C4=81kau=C5=9Balya?=
Message-ID: <e3b54555ff3045a4b13e82e219ba32d6@fabularasa.dk>

Dear list,

I am searching for a copy of the Kr???kau?alya section (6.20) of 
Harik???a Vyan?kat?ara?ma S?arma?'s Br?hajjyotis?a?rn?ava from 1871. The 
entire work was published by Venkateshwar Steam Press in 1900, and a 
Sanskrit/Hindi version of the Kr???kau?alya section was published by Nag 
Publishers in 1982, but I have been unable to procure copies - digital 
or otherwise - of any of them.

Any help in locating this work will be much appreciated.

Kind regards,
Jacob





From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 07:51:01 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 13 09:51:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] looking for digital resources: where have I already	looked?
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcVZAOMtmKZzo-AxoHc_0rcUrBcmGU=20wgTPKgSV+bRA@mail.gmail.com>

D
?ear colleagues,

These days, we often post queries to each other on the INDOLOGY list asking
whether someone has an e-text or digtized book, etc.  That's fine, no
problem.

But it would be helpful to the list members if such queries also included a
sentence saying where we have already looked.  As in, "I've checked the DLI
and Archive.org, and found nothing."

Best,
Dominik
INDOLOGY committee member.


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From practicesyoga at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 11:33:23 2013
From: practicesyoga at gmail.com (Charlie Higgins)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 13 07:33:23 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pandey's "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda"
Message-ID: <CAB1WPk_UTyjw9ECYRstnU9P2DOt3gdD+-2kD_e+wKRXf=fNWuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a pdf of this paper: Pandey, R.  "Conception of a House
and Domestic Facilities in the Atharvaveda," MadhyabhAratI 3, no. 3 (1965):
14-18.

My ILL department recently sent me an email back saying the article was
unattainable, although I notice that numerous libraries possess the
journal.  A pdf can be sent to: charlie_higgins at hotmail.com.

Thank you!!

Charlie


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From francois.voegeli at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 11:44:40 2013
From: francois.voegeli at gmail.com (Francois Voegeli)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 13 13:44:40 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pandey's "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda"
In-Reply-To: <CAB1WPk_UTyjw9ECYRstnU9P2DOt3gdD+-2kD_e+wKRXf=fNWuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD3B24FC-6E4B-4EB7-9B7D-755C7A6403D0@gmail.com>

I am very interested by this article too, and would be glad to receive the pdf also.

Thanks in advance,

F. Voegeli


On 28 ao?t 2013, at 13:33, Charlie Higgins <practicesyoga at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a pdf of this paper: Pandey, R.  "Conception of a House and Domestic Facilities in the Atharvaveda," MadhyabhAratI 3, no. 3 (1965): 14-18.
> 
> My ILL department recently sent me an email back saying the article was unattainable, although I notice that numerous libraries possess the journal.  A pdf can be sent to: charlie_higgins at hotmail.com.
> 
> Thank you!!
> 
> Charlie
> _______________________________________________
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Senior FNS Researcher
Institut d'Arch?ologie et des Sciences de l'Antiquit?
Anthropole, bureau 4018
Facult? des Lettres
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From mkmfolk at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 13:37:49 2013
From: mkmfolk at gmail.com (Mahendra Kumar Mishra)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 13 19:07:49 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY]	<http://www.oralliterature.org/collections/partnerships.html>olklore	Foundat
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 18:26:33 2013
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 13 14:26:33 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Follow up to Lanman question
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNi0tdEcy_GNjPRXoUTDyyPzPLcih4BL7vokAjdpEtpFWA@mail.gmail.com>

As a follow-up to the Lanman question, I asked a few months back, I would
like to ask now about the extent to which Whitney's Grammar is used,
particularly outside the USA.  From my experience in American classrooms,
and among American Sanskritists, Whitney clearly has primacy as a reference
text.  Is it the same among Europeans?  (Whitney's grammar was published
simultaneously in 1879 in English and in German as Indische Grammatik
Umfassend die klassische Sprache und die a?lteren Dialekte
Sanskrit [translated by Zimmer].)

Thanks for your patience with (and your answers to) my terribly pedestrian
questions!

with regards,

Herman

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From baums at lmu.de  Wed Aug 28 19:07:16 2013
From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 13 21:07:16 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Follow up to Lanman question
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNi0tdEcy_GNjPRXoUTDyyPzPLcih4BL7vokAjdpEtpFWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130828190716.GG9578@deepthought>

Dear Herman,

Whitney certainly served as the first?stop reference grammar in
the European contexts that I have worked in (in Germany, England
and Denmark). Wackernagel is just to bulky and expensive (and of
course incomplete) to always have by one?s side. And even in
Germany, the English original of Whitney?s second edition (1889),
readily available in Indian reprints, is the version commonly used
(rather than the German translation of the first edition).

All best,
Stefan

-- 
Dr. Stefan Baums
Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies
Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich





From dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 29 09:55:10 2013
From: dbhattacharya200498 at yahoo.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 13 17:55:10 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Follow up to Lanman question
In-Reply-To: <20130828190716.GG9578@deepthought>
Message-ID: <1377770110.62474.YahooMailNeo@web193501.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>



I am sorry for the long lecture that follows. Particularly because Sanskrit
philology is still fast changing and my ideas, written from India, may sound
outdated. Still I put it here just because I am interested in it for bread and
butter.

Whitney?s
grammar is often outdated with older points of views like the disappearance of
m of ?m ending roots like ?gam in the
weak grade. This is the P??inian norm. Even the concept of the thematic stem was
less developed than in Macdonell?s Vedic grammar.
Whitney is more useful - I should say the best like every work by him - as a
norm setting grammar than as a historical one. Macdonell?s is better but also
outdated as it has no idea of the laryngeal. 
Burrow?s Sanskrit Language is more advanced and
really looks fresh as he has accepted the laryngeal theory and some other ideas
of Kurylowicz and even of Kuiper. But Burrow?s idea of the suffixal ?i- in, say, sthita is unacceptable. But he is not
more faulty than the strongest upholders of the laryngeal theory. ?In fact the common explanation of it (mainly
from the Leiden school) as the replacement of a consonant is itself
unsatisfactory and inconsistently upheld by some celebrities whom I need not
name. ??The contested idea of Schwebeablaut too will
be found not disapproved by Burrow.
I think that
the outline can be best known from Burrow (1973), the details (excepting of the
verb) from Wackernagel-Debrunner. For verb one should update Macdonell mainly with
help from Hoffmann and Narten and partly Kuiper for his general conception,
controversial and improved by Hoffmann, of morphophnology. I cannot tell about
Werba whose work I could not collect. But there is a great desideratum, among
many, in the study of adverbs, particularly the declensional ones.
So much
on conventional study. Structural study of Sanskrit grammar, barring what is
incipient in Renou, is almost nil.
Sorry again
for a long lecture
Best
DB



________________________________
 From: Stefan Baums <baums at lmu.de>
To: indology at list.indology.info 
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Follow up to Lanman question
 

Dear Herman,

Whitney certainly served as the first?stop reference grammar in
the European contexts that I have worked in (in Germany, England
and Denmark). Wackernagel is just to bulky and expensive (and of
course incomplete) to always have by one?s side. And even in
Germany, the English original of Whitney?s second edition (1889),
readily available in Indian reprints, is the version commonly used
(rather than the German translation of the first edition).

All best,
Stefan

-- 
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Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies
Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 14:09:05 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 13 16:09:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] International Journal of Hindu Studies
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcAPJb7PAv1Vw4JvhajyhSq4Uj77Q_55uOqyQ_npSXwgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am an advisory editor for the
IJHS<http://www.springer.com/social+sciences/religious+studies/journal/11407>,
and as such I would like to encourage members of the INDOLOGY forum to
think about submitting articles to the IJHS for publication, and to think
about whether they might like to guest-edit a thematic issue of the journal.

Some selected articles from the journal are available as free
samples<http://www.springer.com/social+sciences/religious+studies/journal/11407?hideChart=1#realtime>
.

If you want to follow up on these ideas, please contact the editor of the
IJHS, Prof. Sushil
Mittal<http://www.jmu.edu/philrel/people/faculty/mittal-sushil.shtml>
.

Best,
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Advisory Editor,
Int. J. Hindu Studies (ed. Sushil Mittal).
http://www.springer.com/social+sciences/religious+studies/journal/11407


--
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,
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Adjunct Professor,
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From christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca  Thu Aug 29 18:37:02 2013
From: christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca (christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 13 14:37:02 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] extended deadline,	2nd Biennial University of Toronto Graduate	Student Conference on	South Asian Religions
Message-ID: <20130829143702.ibz7hfcdck4wgg0g@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Dear Colleagues,

On behalf of the organizers Arun Brahmbhatt and Eric Steinschneider, I  
would like to draw your attention to the extended deadline of  
September 15, 2013 for paper proposals to participate in the 2nd  
Biennial University of Toronto Graduate Student Conference on South  
Asian Religions.

Please distribute this call widely. Apologies for cross-posting.

Warm regards,
Christoph Emmrich

_____

2nd Biennial University of Toronto Graduate Student

Conference on South Asian Religions:

The Methods of Memory

November 1-2, 2013



We extend a cordial call to graduate students for papers exploring the  
nature, scope, and practice of memory in South Asian religious  
traditions.


While memory is often popularly conceived as the act of recollection  
or as a mental storage space, recent theorizations encourage a much  
more diverse and dynamic understanding of memory and its role in  
cultural phenomena. Scholars of South Asia in particular, including  
Christian Lee Novetzke, Prachi Deshpande and Ramya Sreenivasan, have  
highlighted memory?s role in the formation of public spheres, the  
emergence of regional identities, and the authorizing of particular  
discourses about the past. This conference seeks to continue and  
expand this ongoing conversation on memory with respect to a wide  
range of South Asian religious phenomena including, but not limited  
to, the engagement with sacred texts, the creation and veneration of  
sacred figures and places, the design and performance of rituals, and  
the projection and transmission of visualized and embodied aesthetic  
forms.


In doing so, we hope to raise questions such as the following:

What is memory, or rather, when is memory, and how and at which  
temporal junctures is it evoked in South Asian religious traditions?

How are memories transmitted and enacted, performed and deployed,  
encouraged and suppressed? How reliable are these archives?

What role does remembering ? or forgetting ? play in the construction  
of identities and in the negotiation of sacred time and space?

How is the past imagined and realized through memory, and what part  
does memory play in the envisioning of competing futures?

What is the role of memory in historiography and what are the  
opportunities memory offers for an alternative understanding of history?

How useful is memory as an analytic category in the study of South  
Asian religious traditions?


Proposals broadly addressing themes such as these are welcomed from  
graduate students engaged in original research in any field related to  
the study of South Asian religious traditions (e.g. Religion,  
Philosophy, Anthropology, History, Art History, Sociology, South Asian  
Studies, Diaspora and Transnational Studies, Women and Gender Studies,  
Linguistics, etc.). This conference will offer a congenial platform  
for graduate students to present, discuss, and receive feedback on  
their work from both their peers and faculty in related disciplines.


It gives us great pleasure to announce that Vasudha Dalmia, Chandrika  
and Ranjan Tandon Professor of Hindu Studies at Yale University, will  
be delivering the conference?s keynote address.


Proposals of no more than 300 words, a list of five keywords, and a CV  
should be sent to TorontoCSAR at gmail.com by September 15, 2013. For  
further enquiries, please contact arun.brahmbhatt at mail.utoronto.ca or  
eric.steinschneider at mail.utoronto.ca.


----

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Associate Professor, Buddhist Studies
Chair, Numata Program UofT/McMaster
University of Toronto, UTM

http://www.religion.utoronto.ca/people/faculty/christoph-emmrich/

Department of Historical Studies
University of Toronto, Mississauga
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Mississauga, ON, L5L 1C6, Canada
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Private:
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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 20:30:26 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 13 13:30:26 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Goudriaan article
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN-QnCU9BXxfvPykesGsfyp_8brm=O3pwc+coeoRQ2cOig@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have a copy of Goudriaan's article "The Pluriform ?tman",
published in 1992 in Wiener Zeitschrift fur die Kunde Sudasiens 36?

gratefully,

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From bhairava11 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 23:23:28 2013
From: bhairava11 at gmail.com (Christopher Wallis)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 13 16:23:28 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Goudriaan article
In-Reply-To: <CAM3HWN-QnCU9BXxfvPykesGsfyp_8brm=O3pwc+coeoRQ2cOig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM3HWN-SEPe+Rk0K=ct8uiOaS6+06eTf=GUgwDAggLPK8ZgpmA@mail.gmail.com>

I have received it, thank you!

CW

On 29 August 2013 13:30, Christopher Wallis <bhairava11 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of Goudriaan's article "The Pluriform ?tman",
> published in 1992 in Wiener Zeitschrift fur die Kunde Sudasiens 36?
>
> gratefully,
>
> Chris Wallis
>


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From gayathrigrdevi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 06:26:06 2013
From: gayathrigrdevi at gmail.com (gayathri)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 13 11:56:06 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAMoOoXEN2wFR8o-sZbprfHOw=RbRLbeXewVWJLD6ngs98C1Akg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,
I wish to contact the Great Sanskrit Grammarian Prof.George Cardona.Please
help me by sending Cardona's contact number or mail id. I will be very much
thankful to you if i  I get the same.


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 08:29:47 2013
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 13 10:29:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAMoOoXEN2wFR8o-sZbprfHOw=RbRLbeXewVWJLD6ngs98C1Akg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd_JkxZTz44U0e0hw=2GRCrGzuFFptic3=LEzP_ZqGecw@mail.gmail.com>

The correct etiquette in such cases is for a mutual contact to send
Gayathri's note to Cardona, giving him the choice of whether to take up the
conversation. Since George is a member of this forum, it is not necessary
to do anything further.

?Please don't send such enquirers private information ?about other INDOLOGY
members, including their email addresses.  I'm sure such enquiries are
normally well meant, but it's not appropriate to just respond to them
without due care.

?Best,
Dominik
INDOLOGY committee?


On 30 August 2013 08:26, gayathri <gayathrigrdevi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> I wish to contact the Great Sanskrit Grammarian Prof.George Cardona.Please
> help me by sending Cardona's contact number or mail id. I will be very much
> thankful to you if i  I get the same.
>
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 30 10:45:39 2013
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 13 10:45:39 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pandey's "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda"
In-Reply-To: <AD3B24FC-6E4B-4EB7-9B7D-755C7A6403D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W4152D01D7D8A1B72F9EA86A5350@phx.gbl>

This reference had escaped me when I was writing on hymn 7.6 in my 2009 book on k???as 6 and 7 of the Paippal?dasa?hit?. I too would be interested in a pdf.

See also H.W. Bodewitz, "Atharvaveda Sa?hit? 3, 12: The Building of a House," ABORI Diamond Jubilee Volume (1977-78), 59-68.

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths
EFEO/Jakarta



From: francois.voegeli at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:44:40 +0200
To: practicesyoga at gmail.com
CC: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Pandey's "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda"

I am very interested by this article too, and would be glad to receive the pdf also.
Thanks in advance,
F. Voegeli


On 28 ao?t 2013, at 13:33, Charlie Higgins <practicesyoga at gmail.com> wrote:Does anyone have a pdf of this paper: Pandey, R.  "Conception of a House and Domestic Facilities in the Atharvaveda," MadhyabhAratI 3, no. 3 (1965): 14-18.
My ILL department recently sent me an email back saying the article was unattainable, although I notice that numerous libraries possess the journal.  A pdf can be sent to: charlie_higgins at hotmail.com.
Thank you!!Charlie
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From klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi  Fri Aug 30 12:21:19 2013
From: klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi (Klaus Karttunen)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 13 15:21:19 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Follow up to Lanman question
In-Reply-To: <1377770110.62474.YahooMailNeo@web193501.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDF141F9-B33E-408A-8E18-B43BDFD4A43D@helsinki.fi>

Dear colleagues,
Whitney was one of the five first Indological book (soon after Stenzler and Lanman) that I purchased more than 40 years ago and I still use it regularly. But of course, for grammar, not for language history. For this, Burrow, Gonda and many other books were already available. I still recommend Whitney to students as grammar ( with the warning that some of his ideas are antiquated).

Best,
Klaus

Klaus Karttunen
South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies
Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures
PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
Tel +358-(0)9-191 22674
Fax +358-(0)9-191 22094
Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi





On Aug 29, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:

> 
> I am sorry for the long lecture that follows. Particularly because Sanskrit philology is still fast changing and my ideas, written from India, may sound outdated. Still I put it here just because I am interested in it for bread and butter.
> 
> Whitney?s grammar is often outdated with older points of views like the disappearance of m of ?m ending roots like ?gam in the weak grade. This is the P??inian norm. Even the concept of the thematic stem was less developed than in Macdonell?s Vedic grammar. Whitney is more useful - I should say the best like every work by him - as a norm setting grammar than as a historical one. Macdonell?s is better but also outdated as it has no idea of the laryngeal.
> Burrow?s Sanskrit Language is more advanced and really looks fresh as he has accepted the laryngeal theory and some other ideas of Kurylowicz and even of Kuiper. But Burrow?s idea of the suffixal ?i- in, say, sthita is unacceptable. But he is not more faulty than the strongest upholders of the laryngeal theory.  In fact the common explanation of it (mainly from the Leiden school) as the replacement of a consonant is itself unsatisfactory and inconsistently upheld by some celebrities whom I need not name.   The contested idea of Schwebeablaut too will be found not disapproved by Burrow.
> I think that the outline can be best known from Burrow (1973), the details (excepting of the verb) from Wackernagel-Debrunner. For verb one should update Macdonell mainly with help from Hoffmann and Narten and partly Kuiper for his general conception, controversial and improved by Hoffmann, of morphophnology. I cannot tell about Werba whose work I could not collect. But there is a great desideratum, among many, in the study of adverbs, particularly the declensional ones.
> So much on conventional study. Structural study of Sanskrit grammar, barring what is incipient in Renou, is almost nil.
> Sorry again for a long lecture
> Best
> DB
> 
> From: Stefan Baums <baums at lmu.de>
> To: indology at list.indology.info 
> Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Follow up to Lanman question
> 
> Dear Herman,
> 
> Whitney certainly served as the first?stop reference grammar in
> the European contexts that I have worked in (in Germany, England
> and Denmark). Wackernagel is just to bulky and expensive (and of
> course incomplete) to always have by one?s side. And even in
> Germany, the English original of Whitney?s second edition (1889),
> readily available in Indian reprints, is the version commonly used
> (rather than the German translation of the first edition).
> 
> All best,
> Stefan
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Stefan Baums
> Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies
> Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich
> 
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From practicesyoga at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 13:24:52 2013
From: practicesyoga at gmail.com (Charlie Higgins)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 13 09:24:52 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pandey's "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda"
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W4152D01D7D8A1B72F9EA86A5350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAB1WPk9F4EtYNhXQKiwGVEXiEhe=MKdsey_jYaD7t+EwiTYgMg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, Arlo.  I have read the Bodewitz article, which is in fact where I
encountered the Pandey "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda" citation.

I have yet to see the Pandey article referenced in another source, and
potentially this is the reason why my ILL department couldn't find it:
perhaps it is cited incorrectly?  I noticed, for example, a similar
occurance in your and Bisschop's first asterisk from your "The pASupata
Observance," in which an article by Modak was cited by Dandekar as
pertaining to JKU(H) 9 when if fact the article was in JKU(H) 11.  I had
originally sent my ILL a request for the article in volume 9 per Dandekar's
citation, and then later after they had told me they couldn't obtain it, I
saw your asterisk with the correct volume.

Jarrod Whitaker also was interested in the Pandey article, and he mentioned
that he would try to request it via his ILL.  Maybe he or someone else will
have more luck?

See also: Renou, "La maison v?dique," Journal Asiatique 231 (1939) 481-504;
reprinted and translated into English as: "The Vedic House," RES
Anthropology and Aesthetics 34 (1998): 142-161.  The first few footnotes of
this article and its preface by MW Meister list other relevant sources.

Take care,

Charlie


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Arlo Griffiths
<arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>wrote:

> This reference had escaped me when I was writing on hymn 7.6 in my 2009
> book on k???as 6 and 7 of the Paippal?dasa?hit?. I too would be interested
> in a pdf.
>
> See also H.W. Bodewitz, "Atharvaveda Sa?hit? 3, 12: The Building of a
> House," ABORI Diamond Jubilee Volume (1977-78), 59-68.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> EFEO/Jakarta
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: francois.voegeli at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:44:40 +0200
> To: practicesyoga at gmail.com
> CC: indology at list.indology.info
>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Pandey's "Conception of a House in Atharvaveda"
>
> I am very interested by this article too, and would be glad to receive the
> pdf also.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> F. Voegeli
>
>
> On 28 ao?t 2013, at 13:33, Charlie Higgins <practicesyoga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a pdf of this paper: Pandey, R.  "Conception of a House
> and Domestic Facilities in the Atharvaveda," MadhyabhAratI 3, no. 3 (1965):
> 14-18.
>
> My ILL department recently sent me an email back saying the article was
> unattainable, although I notice that numerous libraries possess the
> journal.  A pdf can be sent to: charlie_higgins at hotmail.com.
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Charlie
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca  Fri Aug 30 16:03:51 2013
From: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca (Brendan Gillon)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 13 12:03:51 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] locating a scholar
Message-ID: <5220C267.2080306@mcgill.ca>

Dear colleagues,

A colleague of mine here at McGill University is trying to locate

Dhanesh Jain, co-author with George Cardona of _The Indo-Aryan Languages_:

http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Indo_Aryan_Languages.html?id=C9MPCd6mO6sC&redir_esc=y 


If someone has coordinates (email address or snail mail address), I 
would appreciate receiving it.

Thanks in advance,

Brendan Gillon

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McGill University                       tel.:  001 514 398 4868
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From harshadehejia at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 31 10:39:25 2013
From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 13 06:39:25 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pada and Charan
Message-ID: <BLU179-W1126B5AB25C8DE0E5EABD0A0360@phx.gbl>

Friends~
The word pada and charan is used both for feet as well as a devotional verse.
Is there any reason for this?
Kind regards.
HarshaHarsha V. Dehejia

 		 	   		  


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From ghezziem at tin.it  Sat Aug 31 13:51:55 2013
From: ghezziem at tin.it (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 13 15:51:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pada and Charan
Message-ID: <7B326C57-E869-4DC0-803C-24AEA4BD8A53@tin.it>

Dear Harsha, perhaps because both the poet and the bhakta beat their  
foot on the ground to give themselves the rhythm (this 'beating' is  
the ictus in the Latin metrics, and of course pada is the same of  
Latin pes, pedis). Love, Daniela


Friends~

The word pada and charan is used both for feet as well as a devotional  
verse.

Is there any reason for this?

Kind regards.

Harsha
Harsha V. Dehejia
Daniela Rossella
piazza Buzzati, 5
43122 Parma
0521773854
3383198904
ghezziem at tin.it





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