From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sun Oct 2 20:09:40 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 11 01:39:40 +0530 Subject: What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit Message-ID: <161227093956.23782.6461754505505562569.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I came across this post in a Yahoo site just now. It made me gasp aloud. Jennifer asks, What is the difference between sanskrit and Arabic? > > I wanted to get a tattoo in Arabic because I have an egyptian fascination > and want a consistent flow of relativity on my body seeing as how I already > have an ankh. A friend of mine told me I should get sanskrit because it is > more closely related to egypt. And I think Arabic is prettier. > In fact, Jennifer has received five informative answers, setting her straight, one even explaining Panini and the Astadhyayi. The correspondent "Z" makes an unassailable truth claim by asserting "I am arabic." The conclusion we must draw is that tatoo parlours badly need more Indologists. And Arabists, and Egyptologists. Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athr at LOC.GOV Mon Oct 3 18:42:30 2011 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 11 14:42:30 -0400 Subject: What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227093959.23782.7371028379789423604.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Maybe some unemployed Ph.D.'s could publish an authoritative book of patterns with translations and explanations, and/or set up a site whence once could order transparencies to be used as temporary tattoos or guides for high-quality permanent tattoos. Might be less hassle and more money than being adjust assistant professor at three colleges a hundred miles apart. Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Asian Division, Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4810 The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dominik Wujastyk Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 4:10 PM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: [INDOLOGY] What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit I came across this post in a Yahoo site just now. It made me gasp aloud. Jennifer asks, What is the difference between sanskrit and Arabic? I wanted to get a tattoo in Arabic because I have an egyptian fascination and want a consistent flow of relativity on my body seeing as how I already have an ankh. A friend of mine told me I should get sanskrit because it is more closely related to egypt. And I think Arabic is prettier. In fact, Jennifer has received five informative answers, setting her straight, one even explaining Panini and the Astadhyayi. The correspondent "Z" makes an unassailable truth claim by asserting "I am arabic." The conclusion we must draw is that tatoo parlours badly need more Indologists. And Arabists, and Egyptologists. Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhayes at UNM.EDU Mon Oct 3 22:22:18 2011 From: rhayes at UNM.EDU (Richard Hayes) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 11 16:22:18 -0600 Subject: xindy style file for Sanskrit? Message-ID: <161227093968.23782.16935763298333649612.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Colleagues, I have a need to generate a Sanskrit index for a piece written in xeLaTeX, and am assuming at least one of you has already written an xdy style file for the xindy index generator that would sort the entries in Sanskrit dictionary order. I have looked for such a file in all the usual places without success. I am aware of Yasuhiro Okazaki's SktSortKey program and will use it if necessary, but I thought it might be worth asking whether a sanskrit.xdy file is out there somewhere. Richard Hayes Department of Philosophy University of New Mexico From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Mon Oct 3 19:12:46 2011 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 11 21:12:46 +0200 Subject: What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit Message-ID: <161227093962.23782.8196155877815504536.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Also ... do not forget that it will soon (in one or two years' time) be possible to easily have the equivalent Sanskrit sentences in the GRANTHA script,a very beautiful script !!! It is of course already possible, although tricky, (SEE: "http://www.virtualvinodh.com/download/Grantha%20Script%20Lessons.pdf") and SEE: "http://tamilonline.com/thendral/Auth.aspx?id=131&cid=4&aid=7420&m=m&template=n" (that is a recent interview [in TAMIL] by the (YOUNG) author of the grantha reader, to which the FIRST link points). It will become easy in the future to use grantha, thanks to a few bright people, helped by a few persistent people. Cheers -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Paris/Pondicherry) On 03/10/2011 20:42, Thrasher, Allen wrote: > Maybe some unemployed Ph.D.'s could publish an authoritative book of > patterns with translations and explanations, and/or set up a site whence > once could order transparencies to be used as temporary tattoos or > guides for high-quality permanent tattoos. Might be less hassle and > more money than being adjust assistant professor at three colleges a > hundred miles apart. > > Allen > > Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. > > Asian Division, Library of Congress > > Washington, DC 20540-4810 > > The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library > of Congress. > > *From:*Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dominik > Wujastyk > *Sent:* Sunday, October 02, 2011 4:10 PM > *To:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit > > I came across this post in a Yahoo site just now. It made me gasp aloud. > > Jennifer asks, > > What is the difference between sanskrit and Arabic? > > I wanted to get a tattoo in Arabic because I have an egyptian > fascination and want a consistent flow of relativity on my body seeing > as how I already have an ankh. A friend of mine told me I should get > sanskrit because it is more closely related to egypt. And I think Arabic > is prettier. > > > In fact, Jennifer has received five informative answers, setting her > straight, one even explaining Panini and the Astadhyayi. The > correspondent "Z" makes an unassailable truth claim by asserting "I am > arabic." > > The conclusion we must draw is that tatoo parlours badly need more > Indologists. And Arabists, and Egyptologists. > > Dominik > From will.sweetman at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 3 19:15:57 2011 From: will.sweetman at GMAIL.COM (Will Sweetman) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 08:15:57 +1300 Subject: What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227093965.23782.1016545469693079880.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Jennifer's friend is clearly deeply grounded in the intellectual tradition of the West. As is well known, Egypt is the mother of all idolatry, and the connection between Egypt and "sanskrit" (Jennifer's friend here clearly refers, synecdochically, to what other scholars have recently labelled "the Sanskrit cosmopolis") is firmly established in the work of many learned writers such as Fran?ois Catrou, Pierre Daniel Huet and Mathurin Veyssi?re de la Croze. The connection is also acknowledged by Indian scholars: M.N. Srinivas describes the "Egypt fixation" which his teacher G. S. Ghurye had inherited from W. H. R. Rivers, and which led him to wonder if ancestor shrines among the Coorgs were derived from the pyramids. Jennifer's wrong about Arabic being prettier, however. Will On 3/10/2011, at 9:09 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > I came across this post in a Yahoo site just now. It made me gasp aloud. > > Jennifer asks, > > What is the difference between sanskrit and Arabic? > > I wanted to get a tattoo in Arabic because I have an egyptian fascination and want a consistent flow of relativity on my body seeing as how I already have an ankh. A friend of mine told me I should get sanskrit because it is more closely related to egypt. And I think Arabic is prettier. > > In fact, Jennifer has received five informative answers, setting her straight, one even explaining Panini and the Astadhyayi. The correspondent "Z" makes an unassailable truth claim by asserting "I am arabic." > > The conclusion we must draw is that tatoo parlours badly need more Indologists. And Arabists, and Egyptologists. > > Dominik > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel at DANIELSTENDER.COM Tue Oct 4 07:16:46 2011 From: daniel at DANIELSTENDER.COM (Daniel Stender) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 09:16:46 +0200 Subject: xindy style file for Sanskrit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227093981.23782.993420490143699141.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Prof. Hayes, a Devanagari module for Xindy has been created by Zden?k Wagner, Anshuman Pandey, and Jaya Saraswati. Please cf. http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz/xindy-devanagari/ Greetings, Daniel Stender On 04.10.2011 00:22, Richard Hayes wrote: > Colleagues, I have a need to generate a Sanskrit index for a piece written in xeLaTeX, and am assuming at least one of you has already written an xdy style file for the xindy index generator that would sort the entries in Sanskrit dictionary order. I have looked for such a file in all the usual places without success. I am aware of Yasuhiro Okazaki's SktSortKey program and will use it if necessary, but I thought it might be worth asking whether a sanskrit.xdy file is out there somewhere. > > Richard Hayes > Department of Philosophy > University of New Mexico -- http://www.danielstender.com/granthinam/ GPG key ID: 1654BD9C From viehbeck at ASIA-EUROPE.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Tue Oct 4 08:34:14 2011 From: viehbeck at ASIA-EUROPE.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Viehbeck, Markus) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 10:34:14 +0200 Subject: FASAL_call for papers Message-ID: <161227093984.23782.16285528170050949532.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list, A colleague asked me to spread the word about the following workshop: The Department of Linguistics & Philosophy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) is proud to host the second Formal Approaches to South Asian Languages (FASAL) workshop. The main aim of this workshop is to provide a platform to discuss South Asian Linguistics from the perspective of formal syntax, semantics and morphology. Date: 17-Mar-2012 - 18-Mar-2012 Location: Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA Deadline for submitting proposals: 23-Dez-2011 Please visit the workshop homepage for more information: http://linguistlist.org/callconf/browse-conf-action.cfm?ConfID=138423 Best, Markus Viehbeck Markus Viehbeck Assistant, Buddhist Studies Cluster of Excellence "Asia and Europe in a Global Context" University of Heidelberg Karl Jaspers Centre Vossstra?e 2, Building 4400 D-69115 Heidelberg viehbeck at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 4 06:17:22 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 11:47:22 +0530 Subject: RORI 2007 catalogue of Bharatpur collection Message-ID: <161227093970.23782.15861605647471119277.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, Does anyone happen to have easy access to the RORI MS catalogue of their Bharatpur collection, published in 2007? I wish to know whether the Bharatpur collection contains any MSS of the Carakasamhita, and I'm finding it hard to get that particular catalogue volume. Best wishes, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gthomgt at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 4 18:30:12 2011 From: gthomgt at GMAIL.COM (George Thompson) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 14:30:12 -0400 Subject: What's the difference between Arabic and Sanskrit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227093993.23782.17165049333190057614.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I mistakenly sent this note only to Dominik yesterday. Perhaps it will be of some small interest to others. George On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:44 PM, George Thompson wrote: > Dear Dominik, et al., > > It is worse than you think. ?I have been an occasional visiting > lecturer at a "university" campus in my forlorn New England state. > Over the past few years I have gotten phone calls from students > wanting to study Arabic with me. ?These students were given my phone > number by FACULTY MEMBERS who did not know the difference between > Sanskrit and Arabic! > > It is not just tattoo parlors that badly need our help. ?Other > so-called scholars need us too. ?This is a "university", by the way, > that has no language programs, beyond a little Spanish. ?No French or > German. ?No Latin or Greek. ?No Arabic or Sanskrit. ?Nothing. And yet > it still ?chooses to call itself a university. > > Well, a good sign is that some of the students are starting to > complain. ?I have been helping them. > > George > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: >> I came across this post in a Yahoo site just now.? It made me gasp aloud. >> >> Jennifer asks, >> >>> What is the difference between sanskrit and Arabic? >>> >>> I wanted to get a tattoo in Arabic because I have an egyptian fascination >>> and want a consistent flow of relativity on my body seeing as how I already >>> have an ankh. A friend of mine told me I should get sanskrit because it is >>> more closely related to egypt. And I think Arabic is prettier. >> >> In fact, Jennifer has received five informative answers, setting her >> straight, one even explaining Panini and the Astadhyayi.? The correspondent >> "Z" makes an unassailable truth claim by asserting "I am arabic." >> >> The conclusion we must draw is that tatoo parlours badly need more >> Indologists.? And Arabists, and Egyptologists. >> >> Dominik >> >> > From rospatt at BERKELEY.EDU Tue Oct 4 15:42:49 2011 From: rospatt at BERKELEY.EDU (Alexander von Rospatt) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 17:42:49 +0200 Subject: tenure-track position in South Asian or Southeast Asian Art at UC Berkeley Message-ID: <161227093987.23782.15810003210975497452.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, please make a note of the advertised tenure-track position in South Asian or Southeast Asian Art at UC Berkeley and pass this on to anyone who might be interested in applying. DEPARTMENT OF HISTORY OF ART, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY, seeks to appoint an Assistant Professor of South Asian or Southeast Asian Art (tenure-track), effective July 1, 2012. Ph.D. required. The successful candidate will teach a range of undergraduate and graduate courses. A broad perspective on art of the region in the larger Asian and global context is desirable. Participation in Berkeley's Buddhist Studies Ph.D. Program is expected. The department seeks candidates whose research, teaching, or service has prepared them to contribute to our commitment to diversity and inclusion in higher education. Applications must include CV; two-page statement of research and teaching interests and experience, with brief descriptions of courses offered or proposed; one recent publication or sample of work-in-progress (~30 pages); and three letters of reference. Please refer potential referees to the UC Berkeley statement of confidentiality found at http://apo.chance.berkeley.edu/evalltr.html. Application must be postmarked by December 1, 2011. Mail to: Patricia Berger, Chair of the Search Committee, Department of History of Art, 416 Doe Library, University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720-6020. The University of California, Berkeley, is an Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action Employer and is committed to addressing the family needs of faculty, including dual career couples and single parents (see http://calcierge.berkeley.edu/ for details). ---------------- Alexander von Rospatt, Professor Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies University of California 7233 Dwinelle Hall # 2540 Berkeley, CA 94720-2540 USA Phone: +1-510-6421610 Fax: +1-510-6432959 Email: rospatt at berkeley.edu URL: http://sseas.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/alexander-von-rospatt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.mahoney at INDICA-ET-BUDDHICA.ORG Tue Oct 4 06:34:00 2011 From: r.mahoney at INDICA-ET-BUDDHICA.ORG (Richard MAHONEY) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 19:34:00 +1300 Subject: xindy style file for Sanskrit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227093978.23782.4363877736101223302.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Richard, On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:22:18PM -0600, Richard Hayes wrote: > Colleagues, I have a need to generate a Sanskrit index for a piece > written in xeLaTeX, and am assuming at least one of you has already > written an xdy style file for the xindy index generator that would > sort the entries in Sanskrit dictionary order. I have looked for > such a file in all the usual places without success. I am aware of > Yasuhiro Okazaki's SktSortKey program and will use it if necessary, > but I thought it might be worth asking whether a sanskrit.xdy file > is out there somewhere. `Back in the day' I put together a short xindy file for CSX+. I'm attaching it on the off chance it could be useful. Kind regards, Richard -- Richard MAHONEY - Indica et Buddhica Littledene, Bay Road, OXFORD 7430, NZ Tel.: +64 3 312 1699 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org http://indica-et-buddhica.org http://camera-antipodea.indica-et-buddhica.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: master.xdy URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 4 18:26:04 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 11 23:56:04 +0530 Subject: RORI 2007 catalogue of Bharatpur collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227093989.23782.11397300868654630568.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many thanks indeed to Christophe Vielle and Peter Wyzlic for their responses. I now have the answer I needed. Dominik On 4 October 2011 11:47, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Does anyone happen to have easy access to the RORI MS catalogue of their > Bharatpur collection, published in 2007? I wish to know whether the > Bharatpur collection contains any MSS of the Carakasamhita, and I'm finding > it hard to get that particular catalogue volume. > > Best wishes, > Dominik > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annamisia at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 5 07:22:19 2011 From: annamisia at YAHOO.COM (Anna A. Slaczka) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 11 00:22:19 -0700 Subject: in search of another article! Message-ID: <161227093996.23782.663907339234681646.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Friends and Colleagues, ? Again, I have to ask you for help. I am urgently looking for an article published in the Prof. Krishna Chandra Panigrahi Commemoration Volume, New Delhi, 1994. The book is not available in the Netherlands. The article is by K.K. Dasgupta: "Nataraja images of Bengal and Orissa - a comparative approach". I would be extremely grateful if someone with an easy access to a library housing this volume could scan the article and send it to me off-list. Unfortunately, hundreds of such commemoration volumes is being produced in India containing sometimes?very valuable?articles, but they almost never make it to a Western library... ? With all my best wishes, ? Anna. ? Dr. Anna A. Slaczka The Rijksmuseum Amsterdam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkirk at SPRO.NET Wed Oct 5 16:47:52 2011 From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (Jo) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 11 10:47:52 -0600 Subject: Dancing Shiva tympanum Message-ID: <161227094003.23782.18354576783656685458.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I see this is not from Khuong My-Guimet says it is from Phong Li. (There is a similar one in photo stockimages based on a holding of the DaNang museum) http://www.onasia.com/system/preview.aspx?pvp=wal0002411.48 ---this artifact is in the Guimet- if you search for this as in the DaNang museum this is the only one you get noted as a tympanum. Best wishes Joanna Kirkpatrick ------------------ Maybe this new book could help: It has just appeared noted on another list, as follows: The Cham book is listed on Amazon as a publication of the University of Hawaii Press at $223. However, the University of Hawaii Press offers it directly for only $32-sales restricted to the U.S., its dependencies, Canada, and Mexico. http://tinyurl.com/3sna3ag _The Cham of Vietnam: History, Society, and Art_ Editora: Lockhart, Bruce; Tran Ky Phuong; The Cham people once inhabited and ruled over a large stretch of what is now the central Vietnamese coast. Their Indianized civilization flourished for centuries, and they competed with the Vietnamese and Khmers for influence in mainland Southeast Asia. This book brings together a collection of essays on the Cham by specialists from the fields of history, archaeology, anthropology, art history, and linguistics. It presents a revisionist overview of Cham history and a detailed study of the various ways in which the Cham have been studied by different generations of scholars, as well as chapters on specific aspects of the Cham past. Several pieces focus on recent archaeological work in central Vietnam that positions recent discoveries within the broader framework of Cham history. The book provides a synthesis of work by scholars during the French colonial period and more recent understandings of what "Champa" represented over the centuries of its history. The information presented here is important not only for researchers studying Champa and Vietnam but also for anyone seeking to understand the broader dynamic of Southeast Asian history. From: Indo-Eurasian_research at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Indo-Eurasian_research at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna A. Slaczka Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:41 AM To: Indo-Eurasian_research at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Indo-Eurasia] in search of an article and an image - PS In addition to my previous mail: The article has already been promised to me by some of the colleagues. So it is only the Khuong-my image from Da Nang that I need. Best, Anna. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DancingChamShivaintheMuseeGuimet.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137551 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jkirk at SPRO.NET Wed Oct 5 17:40:43 2011 From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (Jo) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 11 11:40:43 -0600 Subject: Dancing Shiva tympanum--Correction Message-ID: <161227094007.23782.5681650221345545996.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Correction: this item was part of an exhibit at the Guimet in 2005, as its caption states. ------------------------------- I see this is not from Khuong My-Guimet says it is from Phong Li. (There is a similar one in photo stockimages based on a holding of the DaNang museum) http://www.onasia.com/system/preview.aspx?pvp=wal0002411.48 ---this artifact is in the Guimet- if you search for this as in the DaNang museum this is the only one you get noted as a tympanum. Best wishes Joanna Kirkpatrick ------------------ Maybe this new book could help: It has just appeared noted on another list, as follows: The Cham book is listed on Amazon as a publication of the University of Hawaii Press at $223. However, the University of Hawaii Press offers it directly for only $32-sales restricted to the U.S., its dependencies, Canada, and Mexico. http://tinyurl.com/3sna3ag _The Cham of Vietnam: History, Society, and Art_ Editora: Lockhart, Bruce; Tran Ky Phuong; The Cham people once inhabited and ruled over a large stretch of what is now the central Vietnamese coast. Their Indianized civilization flourished for centuries, and they competed with the Vietnamese and Khmers for influence in mainland Southeast Asia. This book brings together a collection of essays on the Cham by specialists from the fields of history, archaeology, anthropology, art history, and linguistics. It presents a revisionist overview of Cham history and a detailed study of the various ways in which the Cham have been studied by different generations of scholars, as well as chapters on specific aspects of the Cham past. Several pieces focus on recent archaeological work in central Vietnam that positions recent discoveries within the broader framework of Cham history. The book provides a synthesis of work by scholars during the French colonial period and more recent understandings of what "Champa" represented over the centuries of its history. The information presented here is important not only for researchers studying Champa and Vietnam but also for anyone seeking to understand the broader dynamic of Southeast Asian history. From: Indo-Eurasian_research at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Indo-Eurasian_research at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna A. Slaczka Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:41 AM To: Indo-Eurasian_research at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Indo-Eurasia] in search of an article and an image - PS In addition to my previous mail: The article has already been promised to me by some of the colleagues. So it is only the Khuong-my image from Da Nang that I need. Best, Anna. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmanring at INDIANA.EDU Wed Oct 5 12:26:32 2011 From: rmanring at INDIANA.EDU (Manring, Rebecca) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 11 12:26:32 +0000 Subject: milk Message-ID: <161227093999.23782.9618109333078471460.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, A anthropologist colleague here at Indiana, who is not on this list and does not know Sanskrit, has asked me the question I paste below. My hunch is that Ayurveda materials may provide an answer for her, but I'm not aware of any difference being made in terms of the source of the milk. Knowing that some of you could probably enlighten her further than I could, I ask your help: I'm working on a section of a chapter on the history of milk consumption in India. In many of the secondary sources I'm using, "milk" is often used without any reference to its source. The assumption seems to be that when the term "milk" is used it's referring to cows' milk, but I wanted to find out if there is a linguistic difference in Sanskrit between milk - or any other dairy product such as curd or ghee - from cows and that from water buffalo (or goats or sheep for that matter). I remain intrigued by the rich descriptions of cows as providers of endless benefits (esp. supplies of milk) in conjunction with seemingly generic references to the uses of milk without regard to whether it's from cows or other dairy animals that were clearly also used. Thank you for your assistance. As I mentioned, she does not know Sanskrit, so references you might provide should be either to secondary sources, or translations, in English. Rebecca J. Manring Associate Professor India Studies and Religious Studies Indiana University-Bloomington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athr at LOC.GOV Wed Oct 5 20:36:47 2011 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 11 16:36:47 -0400 Subject: milk In-Reply-To: <20111005232636.44069mjsbaqlsj98.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <161227094013.23782.4487514786034172087.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The modern stereotype is that cow milk makes one smart but buffalo milk makes one strong but stupid. But I can't give citations. Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian and Team Coordinator South Asia Team Asian Division Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave., S.W. Washington, DC 20540-4810 USA tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. From asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI Wed Oct 5 20:26:36 2011 From: asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI (Asko Parpola) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 11 23:26:36 +0300 Subject: milk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094010.23782.12164230818852323711.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The following papers may be helpful: Simoons, Frederick J., 1970. The traditional limits of milking and milk use in southern Asia. Anthropos 65: 547-581. Simoons, Frederick J., 1979. Dairying, milk use, and lactose malabsorption in Eurasia: A problem in culture history. Anthropos 74: 61-80. Best wishes, Asko Parpola Quoting "Manring, Rebecca" : > Dear Colleagues, > > A anthropologist colleague here at Indiana, who is not on this list > and does not know Sanskrit, has asked me the question I paste below. > My hunch is that Ayurveda materials may provide an answer for her, > but I'm not aware of any difference being made in terms of the > source of the milk. Knowing that some of you could probably > enlighten her further than I could, I ask your help: > > > I'm working on a section of a chapter on the history of > milk consumption in India. In many of the secondary sources I'm > using, "milk" is often used without any reference to its source. > The assumption seems to be that when the term "milk" is used it's > referring to cows' milk, but I wanted to find out if there is a > linguistic difference in Sanskrit between milk - or any other dairy > product such as curd or ghee - from cows and that from water buffalo > (or goats or sheep for that matter). I remain intrigued by the > rich descriptions of cows as providers of endless benefits (esp. > supplies of milk) in conjunction with seemingly generic references > to the uses of milk without regard to whether it's from cows or > other dairy animals that were clearly also used. > > > Thank you for your assistance. As I mentioned, she does not know > Sanskrit, so references you might provide should be either to > secondary sources, or translations, in English. > > Rebecca J. Manring > Associate Professor > India Studies and Religious Studies > Indiana University-Bloomington > > From fleming_b4 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 7 16:01:58 2011 From: fleming_b4 at HOTMAIL.COM (Benjamin Fleming) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 11 12:01:58 -0400 Subject: History and New Technologies in the Study of Asian Manuscript Traditions Message-ID: <161227094015.23782.16659759473644806983.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear members of the list, (sorry for cross-posting) A conference of possible interest going on at the University of Pennsylvania in a couple of weeks: 4th Annual Lawrence J. Schoenberg Symposium on Manuscript Studies in the Digital Age Writing the East: History and New Technologies in the Study of Asian Manuscript Traditions October 21-22, 2011 See the link here: http://www.library.upenn.edu/exhibits/lectures/ljs_symposium4.html There is early registration and registration at the door. Here is the list of participants and their areas of specialization: Adam Gacek, McGill University, Institute of Islamic Studies David Germano, University of Virginia, The Tibetan and Himalayan Library Justin McDaniel, University of Pennsylvania, Thai Digital Monastery Yael Rice, The Philadelphia Museum of Art Peter Scharf, The Sanskrit Library Min Bahadur Shakya, Nagarjuna Institute of Exact Methods Kazuko Tanabe, The Eastern Institute Hiram Woodward, The Walters Art Museum Susan Whitfield, The British Library, The International Dunhuang Project Best, BF -- Benjamin Fleming, Visiting Scholar, Dept. of Religious Studies, University of Pennsylvania 249 S. 36th Street, 201 Claudia Cohen Hall Philadelphia, PA 19104 U.S.A. Telephone - 215-900-5744 http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~bfleming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From utkragh at HUM.KU.DK Fri Oct 7 19:44:07 2011 From: utkragh at HUM.KU.DK (Ulrich T. Kragh) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 11 21:44:07 +0200 Subject: jagadAzvasa Message-ID: <161227094018.23782.3731628195189272314.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list-members, I am currently studying a ca. 10th century Buddhist Tantric text entitled Sahajasiddhipaddhati, which mentions a sage (*RSi, Tib. drang srong) named *jagadAzvasa (Tib. dbugs 'byin pa). There is no extant Sanskrit text, only a Tibetan translation, so the given Sanskrit words are reconstructions. I believe the name *jagadAzvasa is unusual in Buddhist contexts and I am likewise not familiar with an eventual Hindu background for this name. So, my question is: has anyone seen such a name for a RSi or similar in any context? With best regards, Tim Dr. Ulrich Timme Kragh Gonda Fellow, IIAS, Leiden University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pankajaindia at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 7 22:59:51 2011 From: pankajaindia at GMAIL.COM (Pankaj Jain) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 11 23:59:51 +0100 Subject: Postion for PROFESSOR OF SOUTH ASIAN MEDIA, CULTURE & ARTS at Univ. of North Texas Message-ID: <161227094021.23782.15379084717125730524.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> 􀀁 􀀂􀀁 PROFESSOR OF SOUTH ASIAN MEDIA, CULTURE & ARTS Position: The University of North Texas invites applications for a tenured appointment at the rank of Professor to begin Fall 2012. The successful candidate will lead a university-wide research collaborative in South Asian Media, Culture & Arts. The primary appointment may be in the Mayborn School of Journalism (http://journalism.unt.edu), which consists of the departments of News and Strategic Communications and the Frank W. Mayborn Graduate Institute of Journalism, but primary or secondary appointments are also possible in related departments depending upon the appointee?s expertise and interests. Rank and Salary: Professor. Salary is competitive, commensurate with experience and background. Responsibilities: The successful candidate will play a key role in establishing a multidisciplinary research collaborative in South Asian Media, Culture & Arts at the University of North Texas. He or she will be expected to organize and lead colleagues in various disciplines of South Asian studies, and spearhead projects that include interdisciplinary faculty. Qualifications: An earned Ph.D. in journalism, communications or related field is required, as is a record of publication related to South Asia. Candidates will have a distinguished record of publication and other accomplishments to merit appointment at a rank of full professor with tenure. The following additional accomplishments are preferred: (1) Peer-reviewed publications focused on South Asia in one or more of the following areas: Media studies, media performance, media production, media criticism, legal studies, political communication, government, entertainment studies, religion studies, culture studies, linguistics, literature, journalism, philosophy, history, art, sociology, anthropology, music, and classical or modern South Asian languages relevant to research area; (2) Institutional connections or collaborations in one or more of the following nations: India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Myanmar; and (3) Professional experience, or a highly visible profile, in the news, advertising, marketing, or public relations industries. The University: The University of North Texas has embarked on a major multi-year university initiative to hire new faculty and make significant infrastructure changes to enhance and expand research. UNT is seeking to fill multiple faculty positions, largely at the senior level, to join with existing faculty to build new and existing cross-disciplinary research collaboratives in strategically selected areas (http://research.unt.edu/clusters). The new faculty members will have significant opportunities to 􀀁 􀀂􀀁 shape expansion and growth of the research initiatives. The University of North Texas is located 35 miles North of Dallas and Fort Worth. It is the fourth largest university in Texas with approximately 36,000 students registered in 97 bachelors, 88 masters, and 40 doctoral degree programs. Application: Applications must be submitted electronically via the UNT faculty career site at: http://facultyjobs.unt.edu. A cover letter that includes a statement of research interest, a CV, and names and contact information of at least three references are required. Questions about the position may be directed to: Nikhil Moro, Ph.D. Chair, Search Committee 940-565-2268 (voice); Nikhil.Moro at unt.edu Review: Review of applications will begin immediately, and continue until the search is closed. References will be contacted in an advanced stage of screening. Appointment could begin as early as Fall 2012. The University of North Texas is an AA/ADA/EOE committed to diversity in its educational programs. * * * From slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU Sat Oct 8 10:52:19 2011 From: slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU (Lindquist, Steven) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 11 10:52:19 +0000 Subject: working emails for BORI, Baroda? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094025.23782.7928405776497026836.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The most recent email for BORI, given to me by Dr. GU Thite this past summer, is: bori at dataone.in My best, Steven STEVEN LINDQUIST, PH.D. ASSISTANT PROFESSOR DIRECTOR OF ASIAN STUDIES _____________ Department of Religious Studies Southern Methodist University PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275 http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui From: Dominik Wujastyk > Reply-To: Dominik Wujastyk > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:18:32 +0530 To: Indology > Subject: [INDOLOGY] working emails for BORI, Baroda? Dear all, The email address on BORI's website, bori1 at vsnl.net, doesn't work. Similarly, most parts of the website of the Oriental Institute in Baroda do not function. Nor does the email for its director, Professor Wadekar, mlwadekar at hotmail.com. Does anyone have confirmed, recent contact email details for these two august institutions? Thanks, Dominik From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 8 10:48:32 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 11 16:18:32 +0530 Subject: working emails for BORI, Baroda? Message-ID: <161227094023.23782.11662818160709830965.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear all, The email address on BORI's website , bori1 at vsnl.net, doesn't work. Similarly, most parts of the website of the Oriental Institute in Baroda do not function. Nor does the email for its director, Professor Wadekar, mlwadekar at hotmail.com. Does anyone have confirmed, recent contact email details for these two august institutions? Thanks, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 8 21:24:04 2011 From: mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 11 17:24:04 -0400 Subject: working emails for BORI, Baroda? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094028.23782.1620606905355666988.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The present secretary of BORI is Dr Maitreyee Deshpande. I do not have her personal email address, but I have her Facebook email: Alternately, one can contact Dr Shreenanda Bapat who is the assistant curator in BORI, on his email: BORI Contact numbers are: 020-25661363 (Secretary) 020-25656932 (Office) Dr Mukund Wadekar's recent email is: I hope that helps. Best wishes. Mrinal Kaul On 2011-10-08, at 6:52 AM, Lindquist, Steven wrote: > The most recent email for BORI, given to me by Dr. GU Thite this past summer, is: bori at dataone.in > > My best, > > Steven > > > STEVEN LINDQUIST, PH.D. > ASSISTANT PROFESSOR > DIRECTOR OF ASIAN STUDIES > _____________ > Department of Religious Studies > Southern Methodist University > PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275 > http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui > > > From: Dominik Wujastyk > > Reply-To: Dominik Wujastyk > > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:18:32 +0530 > To: Indology > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] working emails for BORI, Baroda? > > Dear all, > > The email address on BORI's website, bori1 at vsnl.net, doesn't work. > > Similarly, most parts of the website of the Oriental Institute in Baroda do not function. Nor does the email for its director, Professor Wadekar, mlwadekar at hotmail.com. > > Does anyone have confirmed, recent contact email details for these two august institutions? > > Thanks, > Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sun Oct 9 03:02:07 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 11 08:32:07 +0530 Subject: working emails for BORI, Baroda? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094031.23782.15977385233665970595.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many thanks indeed to everyone who has helped with the query! The email address on BORI's website , > bori1 at vsnl.net, doesn't work. > Recently given by Prof. Thite: bori at dataone.in This doesn't cause email errors, at least. > Similarly, most parts of the website of the Oriental Institute in Baroda > do not function. Nor does the email > for its director, Professor Wadekar, mlwadekar at hotmail.com. > Prof. M L Wadekar: mlwadekar2008 at hotmail.com This works. Prof. Wadekar and I are in communication. Many thanks! Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From malhar at IITB.AC.IN Sun Oct 9 07:01:40 2011 From: malhar at IITB.AC.IN (Malhar Arvind Kulkarni) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 11 12:31:40 +0530 Subject: working emails for BORI, Baroda? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094033.23782.8837674317179421911.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The new email address of BORI is the following- bori at dataone.in I received an email from this address on 6th September 2011. with thanks. > The present secretary of BORI is Dr Maitreyee Deshpande. I do not have her > personal email address, but I have her Facebook email: > > > > Alternately, one can contact Dr Shreenanda Bapat who is the assistant > curator in BORI, on his email: > > BORI Contact numbers are: > > 020-25661363 (Secretary) > 020-25656932 (Office) > > Dr Mukund Wadekar's recent email is: > > I hope that helps. > > Best wishes. > Mrinal Kaul > > > On 2011-10-08, at 6:52 AM, Lindquist, Steven wrote: > >> The most recent email for BORI, given to me by Dr. GU Thite this past >> summer, is: bori at dataone.in >> >> My best, >> >> Steven >> >> >> STEVEN LINDQUIST, PH.D. >> ASSISTANT PROFESSOR >> DIRECTOR OF ASIAN STUDIES >> _____________ >> Department of Religious Studies >> Southern Methodist University >> PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275 >> http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui >> >> >> From: Dominik Wujastyk > >> Reply-To: Dominik Wujastyk >> > >> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:18:32 +0530 >> To: Indology > >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] working emails for BORI, Baroda? >> >> Dear all, >> >> The email address on BORI's website, >> bori1 at vsnl.net, doesn't work. >> >> Similarly, most parts of the website of the Oriental Institute in Baroda >> do not function. Nor does the >> email for its director, Professor Wadekar, >> mlwadekar at hotmail.com. >> >> Does anyone have confirmed, recent contact email details for these two >> august institutions? >> >> Thanks, >> Dominik > > From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sun Oct 9 09:29:47 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 11 14:59:47 +0530 Subject: working emails for BORI, Baroda? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094036.23782.8574387123625915578.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> As an experiment in using our FAQ, I summarized the recent email/website exchange here: - http://faq.indology.info/wiki/Contact_details_for_libraries_and_institutions Feel free to add to this FAQ page, if you think it is worthwhile, or if you have details that are not on the DSAL pages. The DSAL pages may also be edited anonymously, so there's an argument for making that *the* place for maintaining this kind of information. I leave this open for discussion. (Also as an experiment, I updated the DSAL pages to match the INDOLOGY faq.) Dominik On 9 October 2011 08:32, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Many thanks indeed to everyone who has helped with the query! > > The email address on BORI's website , >> bori1 at vsnl.net, doesn't work. >> > > Recently given by Prof. Thite: bori at dataone.in > This doesn't cause email errors, at least. > > >> Similarly, most parts of the website of the Oriental Institute in Baroda >> do not function. Nor does the >> email for its director, Professor Wadekar, mlwadekar at hotmail.com. >> > > Prof. M L Wadekar: mlwadekar2008 at hotmail.com > > This works. Prof. Wadekar and I are in communication. > > Many thanks! > > Dominik > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From palaniappa at AOL.COM Sun Oct 9 21:11:58 2011 From: palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 11 16:11:58 -0500 Subject: tantuv=?utf-8?Q?=C4=81ya?= as tailor Message-ID: <161227094044.23782.13446367870613082192.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> According to K. V. Subrahmanya Aiyar (Travancore Archaeological Series vol. 4, p.109), in the Sanskrit work B?lar?ma Bh?ratam, the author B?lar?mavarman Kula?ekhara-Perum?? uses the word 'tantuv?ya' in the sense of 'tailor'. (See attachment). Has the word 'tantuv?ya' been used in the meaning of 'tailor' anywhere else in Sanskrit? A related question is: what is the etymology of Skt. tunnav?ya? Thanks in advance. Regards, Palaniappan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tantuvaya.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 637382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU Mon Oct 10 11:55:11 2011 From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 06:55:11 -0500 Subject: tantuv=?utf-8?Q?=C4=81ya?= as tailor In-Reply-To: <844884A0-219B-48F9-898B-5C711DE95F8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <161227094054.23782.16659156213461335866.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dominic is absolutely right. See tunnav?ya also at Artha??stra 4.1.8, which clearly means weaver; and tunnav?ya, compared to wahermen/dyers, at 4.1.25. Patrick On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Dominic Goodall wrote: > Perhaps tantuv?ya here in the English text is simply a mistake? The first verse quoted in the footnote uses rather the expression tunnav?ya. > > Both words seem to be common and old, but while one expects tunnav?ya to refer to a ?tailor? (see, e.g., Manusm?ti 2.214 and commentaries), one expects tantuv?ya to refer to a weaver (see, e.g., Manusm?ti 8.397 and commentaries). > > Dominic Goodall > ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient > > On 10-Oct-2011, at 2:41 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote: > >> According to K. V. Subrahmanya Aiyar (Travancore Archaeological Series vol. 4, p.109), in the Sanskrit work B?lar?ma Bh?ratam, the author B?lar?mavarman Kula?ekhara-Perum?? uses the word 'tantuv?ya' in the sense of 'tailor'. (See attachment). Has the word 'tantuv?ya' been used in the meaning of 'tailor' anywhere else in Sanskrit? >> >> A related question is: what is the etymology of Skt. tunnav?ya? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards, >> Palaniappan >> From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Oct 10 15:34:43 2011 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 08:34:43 -0700 Subject: Sad news about Greg Possehl, with his bibliography In-Reply-To: <20111010155801.64624ru01e8qjl5l.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <161227094066.23782.6827344918300264444.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Truly sad. When I was teaching at Penn, Greg was one of the strong supporters of the Tamil program. Regards, Rajam On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:58 AM, Asko Parpola wrote: > From: "Sinopoli, Carla" Date: October 9, 2011 > 11:56: 13 AM CDT Subject: Sad news: Greg Possehl. Dear all, You may > have already heard this news, but I just learned that Greg passed > away last night -- from a heart attack and/or stroke. A sad loss > for our South Asian community, for Greg?s many friends, and for all > of us he has mentored and supported over the years. Regards, Carla > > I HAVE RECEIVED THIS SAD NEWS WHILE IN OMAN, WORKING TO ASSIST THE > MINISTRY OF HERITAGE AND CULTURE TO DEVELOP AND EXPAND THE > ARCHAEOLOGY IN THE SULTANATE.I HAD BROUGHT GREG HERE IN 2004 IN > RELATION TO THE MAGAN BOAT PROJECT, AND WE DECIDED HE SHOULD > ESTABLISH A PROJECT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ARABIAN SEA AS WELL: A NEW > ADVENTURE TO SHARE, ALONG WITH SERGE CLEUZIOU. GIVEN HIS HIGHEST > CREDENTIALS THE MINISTRY OFFERED HIM TO EXPLORE BAT, THE MOST > IMPORTANT SITE IN THE HEARTLAND OF OMAN, LISTED IN THE UNESCO > WORLD HERITAGE....... WHAT TO DO NOW. I HOPE CHRIS, CHARLOTTE AND > OTHERS WILL CONTINUE, WHILE I KEEP ON TRACKING ON A LONESOME > PATH..... SOMETIME I WISH I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING BEYOND DEATH, BUT > I CAN TRUST ONLY THE MEMORY OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. GREG WILL LIVE > THERE, WITH MANY OTHER GOOD MEN AND WOMEN. MAURIZIO TOSI > > -------------------------- > > After the above sad news reached me this morning, I have been > working on the following provisional bibliography of my respected > colleague and friend, offered here in appreciation of his lifework > devoted to the study of the Indus Civilization. I am sending this > to the INDOLOGY and RISA -lists and to colleagues who may not be > receiving these lists. > > Asko Parpola > > GREGORY L. POSSEHL (23? July 1941 - 8 or 9 Oct 2011) was Professor > emeritus of Archaeology at the Department of Anthropology, > University of Pennsylvania, and Curator of the Asian Section, > University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1967. The Mohenjo-daro floods: A reply. > American Anthropologist 69: 32-40. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1974. Variation and change in the Indus > Civilization: A study of prehistoric Gujarat with special reference > to the post-urban Harappan. Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, The > University of Chicago. x, 302 pp., ill. [Revised version published > in 1980 as "Indus Civilization in Saurashtra".] > > Dhavalikar, M. K., and Gregory L. Possehl, 1974. Subsistence > pattern of an early farming community of western India. Puratattva > (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 7: 39-46. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1975. The chronology of gabarbands and palas > in western South Asia. Expedition 17 (2): 33-37. > > Kennedy, Kenneth A.R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), 1976. > Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. Symposium > convened at the seventy-second annual meeting of the American > Anthropological Association, December 2, 1973, New Orleans. (South > Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca NY: South Asia > Program, Cornell University. 28 cm, vi, 236 pp., ill., maps. Pb > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1976. Lothal: A gateway settlement of the > Harappan Civilization. Pp. 198-131 in: Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and > Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), Ecological backgrounds of South Asian > prehistory. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca: > South Asia Program, Cornell University. Reprinted, pp. 212-218 in: > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. Ancient cities of the Indus. New > Delhi. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1977. The end of a state and continuity of a > tradition: A discussion of the Late Harappan. Pp. 234-254 in: Fox, > Richard G. (ed.), Realm and region in traditional India. New Delhi: > Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. ANCIENT CITIES OF THE INDUS. Durham > NC: Carolina Academic Press & New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House > Pvt. Ltd. 27 cm, xv, 422 pp., 8 pl., ill. Hb ISBN 0890890935 & > 0-7069-0781-7. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Introduction. Pp. vii-xv in: Possehl, > Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Radiocarbon dates for the Indus > Civilization and related sites. Pp. 358-360 in: Possehl, Gregory L. > (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. An extensive bibliography of the Indus > Civilization including references cited in the text. Pp. 361-422 > in: Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. (Ed.) Ancient cities of the Indus. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Pastoral nomadism in the Indus > Civilization: An hypothesis. Pp. 537-551 in: Taddei, Maurizio > (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1977, vol. I. (Istituto > Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici, Series minor, > 6: I.) Naples: Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi > Asiatici. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1979. Hunter- > gatherer/agriculturalist exchange in prehistory: An Indian example. > Current Anthropology 20 (3): 592-593. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1980. INDUS CIVILIZATION IN SAURASHTRA. New > Delhi: Published on behalf of Indian Archaeological Society by B.R. > Publishing Corporation. 29 cm, xvi, 264 pp., ill., maps. Hb > [Revised version of the author's Ph.D. dissertation, The University > of Chicago, 1974.] > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1981. Cambay bead-making: An ancient craft in > modern India. Expedition 23 (4): 39-46. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1982. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A > CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. > Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; Warminster: > Aris & Phillips in cooperation with American Institute of Indian > Studies. 28 cm xiii, 440 pp., 93 pl., maps. Hb > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. The Harappan Civilization: A > contemporary perspective. Pp. 15-28 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), > Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. Discovering ancient India's earliest > cities: The first phase of research. Pp. 405-413 in: Possehl, > Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. > > Possehl. Gregory L., 1984. Archaeological terminology and the > Harappan Civilization. Pp. 27-36 in: Lal, B.B., and S.P. Gupta > (eds.), Frontiers of the Indus Civilization: Sir Mortimer Wheeler > Commemoration Volume. New Delhi: Indian Archaeological Society. > > Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.) 1984. STUDIES > IN THE ARCHAEOLOGY AND PALAEOANTHROPOLOGY OF SOUTH ASIA. New > Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American > Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, viii, 144 pp., ill., maps. > > Lyons, Elizabeth, and Heather Peters, 1985. Buddhism: History and > diversity of a great tradition. With contributions by Chang Ch'eng- > mei & Gregory L. Possehl. Philadelphia: University Museum, > University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm, 64 pp., ill., map. ISBN 0934718768. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. KULLI: AN EXPLORATION OF AN ANCIENT > CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH ASIA. (Centers of Civilization, 1.) Durham, > NC: Carolina Academic Press. 29 cm, viii, 168 pp., ill. Hb ISBN > 0890891737. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. African millets in South Asian > prehistory. Pp. 237-256 in: Jerome Jacobson (ed.), Studies in the > archaeology of India and Pakistan. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH > Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1987-1988. Indian Archaeology, A Review: Guide > to excavated sites 1953-54 through 1983-84. Puratattva (Bulletin of > the Indian Archaeological Society) 18: 113-172. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1989. RADIOCARBON DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN > ARCHAEOLOGY. (Occasional publication of the Asian Section.) > Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm. > 60 pp. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and M. H. Raval, 1989. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION > AND ROJDI. With contributions from Y. M. Chitalwala et al. Leiden > and New York: E. J. Brill; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. > Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 29 cm, xv, 197 > pp., 46 pl., 80 ill., 5 maps. ISBN 9004091572 & 81-204-0404-1. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1990. Revolution in the urban revolution: The > emergence of Indus urbanization. Annual Review of Anthropology 19: > 261-282. > > Possehl. Gregory L., 1990. An archaeological adventurer in > Afghanistan: Charles Masson. South Asian Studies 6: 111-124. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Charles Frank Herman, 1990. The Sorath > Harappan: A new regional manifestation of the Indus urban phase. > Pp. 295-319 in: Taddei, Maurizio, with P. Callieri (ed.), South > Asian Archaeology 1987, vol. I. (Serie Orientale Roma 66: I.) > Roma: Istituto per il Medio ed Estremo Oriente. > > Rissman, Paul C., and Y. M. Chitalwala, 1990. Harappan Civilization > and Oriyo Timbo. With contributions from Gregory L. Possehl et al. > New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American > Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, xi, 155 pp., ill. ISBN > 81-204-0484-X. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1990. Hasmukh > Dhirajlal Sankalia (1908-1989). American Anthropologist 92: 1006-1010. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and M.H. Raval, 1991. A report on the > excavations at Babar Kot: 1990-91. S.l. 16 p. Submitted to the ASI. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Paul C. Rissman, 1992. The chronology of > prehistoric India: From earliest times to the Iron Age. Pp. 465-490 > in vol. I and pp. 447-474 (Fig. 1-13, tables 1-14 and References) > in vol. II of: Ehrich, Robert W. (ed.), Chronologies in Old World > archaeology, 3rd ed. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan cultural mosaic: Ecology > revisited. Pp. 237-244 in vol. I of: Jarrige, Catherine (ed.), > South Asian Archaeology 1989. (Monographs in World Archaeology, > 14.) Madison WI: Prehistory Press. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan Civilization in Gujarat: > The Sorath and Sindhi Harappans. The Eastern Anthropologist 45 > (1-2): 117-154. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. A short history of archaeological > discovery at Harappa. In: Meadow 1992a: 5-11. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1992. SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY STUDIES. > New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American > Institute of Indian Studies; New York: International Science > Publisher (1993). 24 cm, x, 266 pp., ill., map. Hb ISBN > 81-204-0734-2 & 1881570177. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Walter Ashlin Fairservis, Jr. Pp. 1-12 > in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Toymakers and trade: A notice of early > twentieth century commerce between Philadelphia and India. Pp. > 261-266 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology > studies. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1993. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A RECENT > PERSPECTIVE. 2nd revised ed. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. > Pvt. Ltd. an American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm, xv, 595 > pp., 120 pl., maps, index. Hb ISBN 81-204-0779-2. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1993. The date of Indus urbanization: A > proposed chronology for the Pre-Urban and Urban Harappan phases. > Pp. 231-249 in: Gail, Adalbert J., and G. R. Mevissen (eds.), South > Asian Archaeology 1991. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Maurizio Tosi (eds.) 1993. HARAPPAN > STUDIES, Vol. 1. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. > 71 pp. Pb INR 395. ISBN 81-204-0819-5. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. The Indus Civilisation. Man and > Environment 19 (1-2): 103-113. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. Of men. Pp. 179-186 in: Kenoyer, > Jonathan Mark (ed.), From Sumer to Meluhha: Contributions to the > archaeology of South and West Asia in memory of George F. Dales, > Jr. (Wisconsin Archaeological Reports, 3.) Madison, WI: Department > of Anthropology, University of Wisconsin at Madison. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. RADIOMETRIC DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN > ARCHAEOLOGY. (An occasional publication of the Asia Section.) > Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Museum. 122 pp. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Dinker P. Mehta, 1994. Excavations at > Rojdi, 1992-93. Pp. 603-614 in: Parpola, Asko, and Petteri > Koskikallio (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1993, vol. II. (Annales > Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae B 271: II.) Helsinki: Suomalainen > Tiedeakatemia. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Meluhha. Pp. 133-208 in: Reade, Julian > (ed.), The Indian Ocean in antiquity. London: Kegan Paul > International in association with the British Museum. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Climate and the eclipse of the ancient > cities of the Indus. Pp. 193-244 in: Dalfes, H. N?zhet, George > Kukla and Harvey Weiss (eds.), Third millennium BC climate change > and Old World collapse. (NATO ASI, Series 1: Global Environment > Change, vol. 49.) Berlin & New York: Springer. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. INDUS AGE: THE WRITING SYSTEM. > Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford > IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xiv, 244 pp., 16 pl. Hb ISBN > 0-8122-3345-X & 81-204-1083-1. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The transformation of the Indus > Civilization. Journal of World Prehistory 11 (4): 425-472. > Reprinted in Man and Environment 24 (2), 1999: 1-33. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The date of the Surkotada cemetery: A > reassessment in light of recent archaeological work in Gujarat. Pp. > 81-87 in: Joshi, Jagat Pati (ed.), Facets of Indian Civilization: > Recent perspectives. Essays in honour of Professor B. B. Lal. New > Delhi: Aryan Books International. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. Seafaring merchants of Meluhha. Pp. > 87-100 in: Allchin, Bridget (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1995. > Cambridge: Ancient India and Iran Trust; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH > Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997-1998. An Harappan outpost on the Amu > Darya: Shortughai, Why was it there? Indologica Taurinensia 23-24: > 57-70, 1 fig. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Sociocultural complexity without the > state: The Indus Civilization. Pp. 261-291 in: Feinman, Gary M., > and Joyce Marcus (eds.), The archaic states. Santa Fe, NM: School > of American Research. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Did the Sarasvati ever flow to the sea? > Pp. 339-354 in: Philips, C. S., D. T. Potts and S. Searight (eds.), > Arabia and its neighbours: Essays on prehistorical and historical > developments presented in honour of Beatric de Cardi. Brussels: > Brepols. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Introduction of African millets to the > Indian subcontinent. Pp. 107-121 in: Pendergast, H. D. V., N. L., > Etkin, D. R. Harris and P. J. Houghton (eds.), Plants for food and > medicine. Kew: The Royal Botanic Gardens. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1999. INDUS AGE: THE BEGINNINGS. Philadelphia: > University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH > Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xxxvi, 1063 pp., 580 b/w ill. Hb > ISBN 0-8122-3417-0. > Reviewed: Asko Parpola, The Times Higher Education Supplement, 3 > Dec 1999, p. 24. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Praveena Gullapalli, 1999. The Early Iron > Age in South Asia. Pp. 153-175 in: Pigott, Vincent C. (ed.), The > archaeometallurgy of the Asian Old World. (MASCA Research Papers > in Science and Archaeology, University Museum Monograph, volume > 16.) Philadelphia: The University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2000. Harappan beginnings. Pp. 99-112 in: > Lamberg-Karlovsky, Martha (ed.), The breakout: The origins of > civilization. (Peabody Museum Monographs, 9.) Cambridge, MA: > Peabody Museum, Harvard University. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Early Harapopan phase. Bulletin > of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: > 227-241, 10 figs. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Mature Harapopan phase. > Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute > 60-61: 243-251, 2 figs. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. THE INDUS CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY > PERSPECTIVE. Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press. 29 cm, xi, 276 pp., > ill., maps. Pb ISBN 0-7591-0172-8. Hb ISBN 0-7591-0171-X. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Fifty years of Harappan archaeology: The > study of the Indus Civilization since Indian independence. Pp. 1-46 > in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.), Protohistory: > Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in > retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical > Research & Manohar. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Archaeology of the Harappan > Civilization: An annotated list of excavations and surveys. Pp. > 421-482 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.) Protohistory: > Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in > retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical > Research & Manohar. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Indus-Mesopotamian trade: The record in > the Indus. Iranica Antiqua 37: 322-340. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2003. The Indus Civilization: An introduction > to environment, subsistence, and cultural history. Pp. 1-20 in: > Weber, Steven A., and William R. Belcher (eds.), Indus > ethnobiology: New perspectives from the field. Lanham MD: Lexington > Books. > > Shinde, V., G. L. Possehl and M. Ameri, 2005. Excavations at Gilund > 2001-2003: The seal impressions and other finds. Pp. 159-169 in: > Franke-Vogt, Ute, & Hans-Joachim Weisshaar (eds.), South Asian > Archaeology 2003. (Forschungen zur Arch?ologie aussereurop?ischer > Kulturen, 1.) Aachen: Linden Soft Verlag e. K. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2007. The Indus Civilization. Chapter 9 in: > Hinnells, John R. (ed.), Handbook of ancient religions. Cambridge: > Cambridge University Press. > > Joshi, Jagat Pati, 2008. Harappan architecture and civil > engineering. Foreword by Gregory L. Possehl. (Infinity Foundation > series.) New Delhi: Rupa & Co., in association with Infinity > Foundation. ISBN 978-81-291-1183-8. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2010. Review of: Parpola, Asko, B. M. Pande > and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), 2010. Corpus of Indus Seals and > Inscriptions, Volume 3: New material, untraced objects, and > collections outside India and Pakistan. Part 1: Mohenjo-daro and > Harappa, in collaboration with Richard H. Meadow and J. Mark > Kenoyer. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae, Humaniora 359; > Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, No. 96.) Helsinki: > Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Journal of the American Oriental Society > 130 (2). From dominic.goodall at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 10 04:24:57 2011 From: dominic.goodall at GMAIL.COM (Dominic Goodall) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 09:54:57 +0530 Subject: tantuv=?utf-8?Q?=C4=81ya?= as tailor In-Reply-To: <3B09EAA7-2EA4-4B3A-82CC-EAD2786A2421@aol.com> Message-ID: <161227094051.23782.12265741534414756503.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Perhaps tantuv?ya here in the English text is simply a mistake? The first verse quoted in the footnote uses rather the expression tunnav?ya. Both words seem to be common and old, but while one expects tunnav?ya to refer to a ?tailor? (see, e.g., Manusm?ti 2.214 and commentaries), one expects tantuv?ya to refer to a weaver (see, e.g., Manusm?ti 8.397 and commentaries). Dominic Goodall ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient On 10-Oct-2011, at 2:41 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote: > According to K. V. Subrahmanya Aiyar (Travancore Archaeological Series vol. 4, p.109), in the Sanskrit work B?lar?ma Bh?ratam, the author B?lar?mavarman Kula?ekhara-Perum?? uses the word 'tantuv?ya' in the sense of 'tailor'. (See attachment). Has the word 'tantuv?ya' been used in the meaning of 'tailor' anywhere else in Sanskrit? > > A related question is: what is the etymology of Skt. tunnav?ya? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > Palaniappan > From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Mon Oct 10 16:14:11 2011 From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 12:14:11 -0400 Subject: Sad news about Greg Possehl In-Reply-To: <20111010164305.16783m1us7niomll.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <161227094069.23782.15410380725128953884.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> To Greg's publication list we can add: Possehl, G. and M. Witzel. Vedic. In: P.N. Peregrine and M. Ember, eds., Encyclopedia of Prehistory, Volume 8: South and Southwest Asia. Published in conjunction with the Human Relations Area Files at Yale University. Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, New York New York 2003: 391-396. On his invitation, I spent some very fruitful and congenial days in his house some 10 years ago. He wanted to know more about the unique features of the strict Vedic oral tradition (as compared to the always shifting, bardic Epics). Michael Witzel On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:43 AM, asko.parpola at helsinki.fi wrote: >>> provisional bibliography of my respected colleague and friend, offered here in appreciation of his lifework devoted to the study of the Indus Civilization. I am sending this to the INDOLOGY and RISA -lists and to colleagues who may not be receiving these lists. Asko Parpola > > > GREGORY L. POSSEHL (23? July 1941 - 8 or 9 Oct 2011) was Professor emeritus of Archaeology at the Department of Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, and Curator of the Asian Section, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1967. The Mohenjo-daro floods: A reply. American Anthropologist 69: 32-40. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1974. Variation and change in the Indus Civilization: A study of prehistoric Gujarat with special reference to the post-urban Harappan. Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago. x, 302 pp., ill. [Revised version published in 1980 as "Indus Civilization in Saurashtra".] > > Dhavalikar, M. K., and Gregory L. Possehl, 1974. Subsistence pattern of an early farming community of western India. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 7: 39-46. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1975. The chronology of gabarbands and palas in western South Asia. Expedition 17 (2): 33-37. > > Kennedy, Kenneth A.R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), 1976. Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. Symposium convened at the seventy-second annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association, December 2, 1973, New Orleans. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca NY: South Asia Program, Cornell University. 28 cm, vi, 236 pp., ill., maps. Pb > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1976. Lothal: A gateway settlement of the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 198-131 in: Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca: South Asia Program, Cornell University. Reprinted, pp. 212-218 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. Ancient cities of the Indus. New Delhi. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1977. The end of a state and continuity of a tradition: A discussion of the Late Harappan. Pp. 234-254 in: Fox, Richard G. (ed.), Realm and region in traditional India. New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. ANCIENT CITIES OF THE INDUS. Durham NC: Carolina Academic Press & New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. 27 cm, xv, 422 pp., 8 pl., ill. Hb ISBN 0890890935 & 0-7069-0781-7. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Introduction. Pp. vii-xv in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Radiocarbon dates for the Indus Civilization and related sites. Pp. 358-360 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. An extensive bibliography of the Indus Civilization including references cited in the text. Pp. 361-422 in: Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. (Ed.) Ancient cities of the Indus. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Pastoral nomadism in the Indus Civilization: An hypothesis. Pp. 537-551 in: Taddei, Maurizio (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1977, vol. I. (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici, Series minor, 6: I.) Naples: Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1979. Hunter-gatherer/agriculturalist exchange in prehistory: An Indian example. Current Anthropology 20 (3): 592-593. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1980. INDUS CIVILIZATION IN SAURASHTRA. New Delhi: Published on behalf of Indian Archaeological Society by B.R. Publishing Corporation. 29 cm, xvi, 264 pp., ill., maps. Hb [Revised version of the author's Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago, 1974.] > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. Cambay bead-making: An ancient craft in modern India. Expedition 23 4): 39-47. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1982. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; Warminster: Aris & Phillips in cooperation with American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm xiii, 440 pp., 93 pl., maps. Hb > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. The Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Pp. 15-28 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. Discovering ancient India's earliest cities: The first phase of research. Pp. 405-413 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. > > Possehl. Gregory L., 1984. Archaeological terminology and the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 27-36 in: Lal, B.B., and S.P. Gupta (eds.), Frontiers of the Indus Civilization: Sir Mortimer Wheeler Commemoration Volume. New Delhi: Indian Archaeological Society. > > Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.) 1984. STUDIES IN THE ARCHAEOLOGY AND PALAEOANTHROPOLOGY OF SOUTH ASIA. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, viii, 144 pp., ill., maps. > > Lyons, Elizabeth, and Heather Peters, 1985. Buddhism: History and diversity of a great tradition. With contributions by Chang Ch'eng-mei & Gregory L. Possehl. Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm, 64 pp., ill., map. ISBN 0934718768. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. KULLI: AN EXPLORATION OF AN ANCIENT CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH ASIA. (Centers of Civilization, 1.) Durham, NC: Carolina Academic Press. 29 cm, viii, 168 pp., ill. Hb ISBN 0890891737. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. African millets in South Asian prehistory. Pp. 237-256 in: Jerome Jacobson (ed.), Studies in the archaeology of India and Pakistan. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1987-1988. Indian Archaeology, A Review: Guide to excavated sites 1953-54 through 1983-84. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 18: 113-172. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1989. RADIOCARBON DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY. (Occasional publication of the Asian Section.) Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm. 60 pp. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and M. H. Raval, 1989. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION AND ROJDI. With contributions from Y. M. Chitalwala et al. Leiden and New York: E. J. Brill; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 29 cm, xv, 197 pp., 46 pl., 80 ill., 5 maps. ISBN 9004091572 & 81-204-0404-1. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1990. Revolution in the urban revolution: The emergence of Indus urbanization. Annual Review of Anthropology 19: 261-282. > > Possehl. Gregory L., 1990. An archaeological adventurer in Afghanistan: Charles Masson. South Asian Studies 6: 111-124. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Charles Frank Herman, 1990. The Sorath Harappan: A new regional manifestation of the Indus urban phase. Pp. 295-319 in: Taddei, Maurizio, with P. Callieri (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1987, vol. I. (Serie Orientale Roma 66: I.) Roma: Istituto per il Medio ed Estremo Oriente. > > Rissman, Paul C., and Y. M. Chitalwala, 1990. Harappan Civilization and Oriyo Timbo. With contributions from Gregory L. Possehl et al. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, xi, 155 pp., ill. ISBN 81-204-0484-X. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1990. Hasmukh Dhirajlal Sankalia (1908-1989). American Anthropologist 92: 1006-1010. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and M.H. Raval, 1991. A report on the excavations at Babar Kot: 1990-91. S.l. 16 p. Submitted to the ASI. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Paul C. Rissman, 1992. The chronology of prehistoric India: From earliest times to the Iron Age. Pp. 465-490 in vol. I and pp. 447-474 (Fig. 1-13, tables 1-14 and References) in vol. II of: Ehrich, Robert W. (ed.), Chronologies in Old World archaeology, 3rd ed. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan cultural mosaic: Ecology revisited. Pp. 237-244 in vol. I of: Jarrige, Catherine (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1989. (Monographs in World Archaeology, 14.) Madison WI: Prehistory Press. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan Civilization in Gujarat: The Sorath and Sindhi Harappans. The Eastern Anthropologist 45 (1-2): 117-154. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. A short history of archaeological discovery at Harappa. Pp. 5-11 in: Meadow, Richard H. (ed.), Harappa excavations 1986-1990: Amultidisciplinary approach to third millennium urbanism. (Monographs in World Archaeology, 3.) Madison, WI. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1992. SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY STUDIES. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; New York: International Science Publisher (1993). 24 cm, x, 266 pp., ill., map. Hb ISBN 81-204-0734-2 & 1881570177. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Walter Ashlin Fairservis, Jr. Pp. 1-12 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Toymakers and trade: A notice of early twentieth century commerce between Philadelphia and India. Pp. 261-266 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. > > Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1993. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A RECENT PERSPECTIVE. 2nd revised ed. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. an American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm, xv, 595 pp., 120 pl., maps, index. Hb ISBN 81-204-0779-2. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1993. The date of Indus urbanization: A proposed chronology for the Pre-Urban and Urban Harappan phases. Pp. 231-249 in: Gail, Adalbert J., and G. R. Mevissen (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1991. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Maurizio Tosi (eds.) 1993. HARAPPAN STUDIES, Vol. 1. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 71 pp. Pb INR 395. ISBN 81-204-0819-5. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. The Indus Civilisation. Man and Environment 19 (1-2): 103-113. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. Of men. Pp. 179-186 in: Kenoyer, Jonathan Mark (ed.), From Sumer to Meluhha: Contributions to the archaeology of South and West Asia in memory of George F. Dales, Jr. (Wisconsin Archaeological Reports, 3.) Madison, WI: Department of Anthropology, University of Wisconsin at Madison. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. RADIOMETRIC DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY. (An occasional publication of the Asia Section.) Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Museum. 122 pp. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Dinker P. Mehta, 1994. Excavations at Rojdi, 1992-93. Pp. 603-614 in: Parpola, Asko, and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1993, vol. II. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae B 271: II.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Meluhha. Pp. 133-208 in: Reade, Julian (ed.), The Indian Ocean in antiquity. London: Kegan Paul International in association with the British Museum. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Climate and the eclipse of the ancient cities of the Indus. Pp. 193-244 in: Dalfes, H. N?zhet, George Kukla and Harvey Weiss (eds.), Third millennium BC climate change and Old World collapse. (NATO ASI, Series 1: Global Environment Change, vol. 49.) Berlin & New York: Springer. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. INDUS AGE: THE WRITING SYSTEM. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xiv, 244 pp., 16 pl. Hb ISBN 0-8122-3345-X & 81-204-1083-1. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The transformation of the Indus Civilization. Journal of World Prehistory 11 (4): 425-472. Reprinted in Man and Environment 24 (2), 1999: 1-33. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The date of the Surkotada cemetery: A reassessment in light of recent archaeological work in Gujarat. Pp. 81-87 in: Joshi, Jagat Pati (ed.), Facets of Indian Civilization: Recent perspectives. Essays in honour of Professor B. B. Lal. New Delhi: Aryan Books International. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. Seafaring merchants of Meluhha. Pp. 87-100 in: Allchin, Bridget (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1995. Cambridge: Ancient India and Iran Trust; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1997-1998. An Harappan outpost on the Amu Darya: Shortughai, Why was it there? Indologica Taurinensia 23-24: 57-70, 1 fig. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Sociocultural complexity without the state: The Indus Civilization. Pp. 261-291 in: Feinman, Gary M., and Joyce Marcus (eds.), The archaic states. Santa Fe, NM: School of American Research. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Did the Sarasvati ever flow to the sea? Pp. 339-354 in: Philips, C. S., D. T. Potts and S. Searight (eds.), Arabia and its neighbours: Essays on prehistorical and historical developments presented in honour of Beatrice de Cardi. Brussels: Brepols. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Introduction of African millets to the Indian subcontinent. Pp. 107-121 in: Pendergast, H. D. V., N. L. Etkin, D. R. Harris and P. J. Houghton (eds.), Plants for food and medicine. Kew: The Royal Botanic Gardens. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 1999. INDUS AGE: THE BEGINNINGS. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xxxvi, 1063 pp., 580 b/w ill. Hb ISBN 0-8122-3417-0. > Reviewed: Asko Parpola, The Times Higher Education Supplement, 3 Dec 1999, p. 24. > > Possehl, Gregory L., and Praveena Gullapalli, 1999. The Early Iron Age in South Asia. Pp. 153-175 in: Pigott, Vincent C. (ed.), The archaeometallurgy of the Asian Old World. (MASCA Research Papers in Science and Archaeology, University Museum Monograph, volume 16.) Philadelphia: The University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2000. Harappan beginnings. Pp. 99-112 in: Lamberg-Karlovsky, Martha (ed.), The breakout: The origins of civilization. (Peabody Museum Monographs, 9.) Cambridge, MA: Peabody Museum, Harvard University. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Early Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 227-241, 10 figs. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Mature Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 243-251, 2 figs. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. THE INDUS CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press. 29 cm, xi, 276 pp., ill., maps. Pb ISBN 0-7591-0172-8. Hb ISBN 0-7591-0171-X. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Fifty years of Harappan archaeology: The study of the Indus Civilization since Indian independence. Pp. 1-46 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.), Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization: An annotated list of excavations and surveys. Pp. 421-482 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.) Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. > > Possehl, gregory L., 2002. Indus-Mesopotamian trade: The record in the indus. Iranica Antiqua 37: 322-340. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2003. The Indus Civilization: An introduction to environment, subsistence, and cultural history. Pp. 1-20 in: Weber, Steven A., and William R. Belcher (eds.), Indus ethnobiology: New perspectives from the field. Lanham MD: Lexington Books. > > Shinde, V., G. L. Possehl and M. Ameri, 2005. Excavations at Gilund 2001-2003: The seal impressions and other finds. Pp. 159-169 in: Franke-Vogt, Ute, & Hans-Joachim Weisshaar (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 2003. (Forschungen zur Arch?ologie aussereurop?ischer Kulturen, 1.) Aachen: Linden Soft Verlag e. K. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2007. The Indus Civilization. Chapter 9 in: Hinnells, John R. (ed.), Handbook of ancient religions. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. > > Joshi, Jagat Pati, 2008. Harappan architecture and civil engineering. Foreword by Gregory L. Possehl. (Infinity Foundation series.) New Delhi: Rupa & Co., in association with Infinity Foundation. ISBN 978-81-291-1183-8. > > Possehl, Gregory L., 2010. Review of: Parpola, Asko, B. M. Pande and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), 2010. Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions, Volume 3: New material, untraced objects, and collections outside India and Pakistan. Part 1: Mohenjo-daro and Harappa, in collaboration with Richard H. Meadow and J. Mark Kenoyer. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae, Humaniora 359; Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, No. 96.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Journal of the American Oriental Society 130 (2). > ============ > Michael Witzel > witzel at fas.harvard.edu > > Wales Prof. of Sanskrit & > Director of Graduate Studies, > Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University > 1 Bow Street, > Cambridge MA 02138, USA > > phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, 496 8570, fax 617 - 496 8571; > my direct line: 617- 496 2990 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI Mon Oct 10 12:58:01 2011 From: asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI (Asko Parpola) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 15:58:01 +0300 Subject: Sad news about Greg Possehl, with his bibliography Message-ID: <161227094057.23782.12064898390259954859.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> From: "Sinopoli, Carla" Date: October 9, 2011 11:56: 13 AM CDT Subject: Sad news: Greg Possehl. Dear all, You may have already heard this news, but I just learned that Greg passed away last night -- from a heart attack and/or stroke. A sad loss for our South Asian community, for Greg?s many friends, and for all of us he has mentored and supported over the years. Regards, Carla I HAVE RECEIVED THIS SAD NEWS WHILE IN OMAN, WORKING TO ASSIST THE MINISTRY OF HERITAGE AND CULTURE TO DEVELOP AND EXPAND THE ARCHAEOLOGY IN THE SULTANATE.I HAD BROUGHT GREG HERE IN 2004 IN RELATION TO THE MAGAN BOAT PROJECT, AND WE DECIDED HE SHOULD ESTABLISH A PROJECT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ARABIAN SEA AS WELL: A NEW ADVENTURE TO SHARE, ALONG WITH SERGE CLEUZIOU. GIVEN HIS HIGHEST CREDENTIALS THE MINISTRY OFFERED HIM TO EXPLORE BAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT SITE IN THE HEARTLAND OF OMAN, LISTED IN THE UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE....... WHAT TO DO NOW. I HOPE CHRIS, CHARLOTTE AND OTHERS WILL CONTINUE, WHILE I KEEP ON TRACKING ON A LONESOME PATH..... SOMETIME I WISH I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING BEYOND DEATH, BUT I CAN TRUST ONLY THE MEMORY OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. GREG WILL LIVE THERE, WITH MANY OTHER GOOD MEN AND WOMEN. MAURIZIO TOSI -------------------------- After the above sad news reached me this morning, I have been working on the following provisional bibliography of my respected colleague and friend, offered here in appreciation of his lifework devoted to the study of the Indus Civilization. I am sending this to the INDOLOGY and RISA -lists and to colleagues who may not be receiving these lists. Asko Parpola GREGORY L. POSSEHL (23? July 1941 - 8 or 9 Oct 2011) was Professor emeritus of Archaeology at the Department of Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, and Curator of the Asian Section, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. Possehl, Gregory L., 1967. The Mohenjo-daro floods: A reply. American Anthropologist 69: 32-40. Possehl, Gregory L., 1974. Variation and change in the Indus Civilization: A study of prehistoric Gujarat with special reference to the post-urban Harappan. Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago. x, 302 pp., ill. [Revised version published in 1980 as "Indus Civilization in Saurashtra".] Dhavalikar, M. K., and Gregory L. Possehl, 1974. Subsistence pattern of an early farming community of western India. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 7: 39-46. Possehl, Gregory L., 1975. The chronology of gabarbands and palas in western South Asia. Expedition 17 (2): 33-37. Kennedy, Kenneth A.R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), 1976. Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. Symposium convened at the seventy-second annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association, December 2, 1973, New Orleans. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca NY: South Asia Program, Cornell University. 28 cm, vi, 236 pp., ill., maps. Pb Possehl, Gregory L., 1976. Lothal: A gateway settlement of the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 198-131 in: Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca: South Asia Program, Cornell University. Reprinted, pp. 212-218 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. Ancient cities of the Indus. New Delhi. Possehl, Gregory L., 1977. The end of a state and continuity of a tradition: A discussion of the Late Harappan. Pp. 234-254 in: Fox, Richard G. (ed.), Realm and region in traditional India. New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. ANCIENT CITIES OF THE INDUS. Durham NC: Carolina Academic Press & New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. 27 cm, xv, 422 pp., 8 pl., ill. Hb ISBN 0890890935 & 0-7069-0781-7. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Introduction. Pp. vii-xv in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Radiocarbon dates for the Indus Civilization and related sites. Pp. 358-360 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. An extensive bibliography of the Indus Civilization including references cited in the text. Pp. 361-422 in: Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. (Ed.) Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Pastoral nomadism in the Indus Civilization: An hypothesis. Pp. 537-551 in: Taddei, Maurizio (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1977, vol. I. (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici, Series minor, 6: I.) Naples: Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici. Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1979. Hunter-gatherer/agriculturalist exchange in prehistory: An Indian example. Current Anthropology 20 (3): 592-593. Possehl, Gregory L., 1980. INDUS CIVILIZATION IN SAURASHTRA. New Delhi: Published on behalf of Indian Archaeological Society by B.R. Publishing Corporation. 29 cm, xvi, 264 pp., ill., maps. Hb [Revised version of the author's Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago, 1974.] Possehl, Gregory L., 1981. Cambay bead-making: An ancient craft in modern India. Expedition 23 (4): 39-46. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1982. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; Warminster: Aris & Phillips in cooperation with American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm xiii, 440 pp., 93 pl., maps. Hb Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. The Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Pp. 15-28 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. Discovering ancient India's earliest cities: The first phase of research. Pp. 405-413 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Possehl. Gregory L., 1984. Archaeological terminology and the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 27-36 in: Lal, B.B., and S.P. Gupta (eds.), Frontiers of the Indus Civilization: Sir Mortimer Wheeler Commemoration Volume. New Delhi: Indian Archaeological Society. Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.) 1984. STUDIES IN THE ARCHAEOLOGY AND PALAEOANTHROPOLOGY OF SOUTH ASIA. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, viii, 144 pp., ill., maps. Lyons, Elizabeth, and Heather Peters, 1985. Buddhism: History and diversity of a great tradition. With contributions by Chang Ch'eng-mei & Gregory L. Possehl. Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm, 64 pp., ill., map. ISBN 0934718768. Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. KULLI: AN EXPLORATION OF AN ANCIENT CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH ASIA. (Centers of Civilization, 1.) Durham, NC: Carolina Academic Press. 29 cm, viii, 168 pp., ill. Hb ISBN 0890891737. Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. African millets in South Asian prehistory. Pp. 237-256 in: Jerome Jacobson (ed.), Studies in the archaeology of India and Pakistan. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. Possehl, Gregory L., 1987-1988. Indian Archaeology, A Review: Guide to excavated sites 1953-54 through 1983-84. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 18: 113-172. Possehl, Gregory L., 1989. RADIOCARBON DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY. (Occasional publication of the Asian Section.) Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm. 60 pp. Possehl, Gregory L., and M. H. Raval, 1989. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION AND ROJDI. With contributions from Y. M. Chitalwala et al. Leiden and New York: E. J. Brill; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 29 cm, xv, 197 pp., 46 pl., 80 ill., 5 maps. ISBN 9004091572 & 81-204-0404-1. Possehl, Gregory L., 1990. Revolution in the urban revolution: The emergence of Indus urbanization. Annual Review of Anthropology 19: 261-282. Possehl. Gregory L., 1990. An archaeological adventurer in Afghanistan: Charles Masson. South Asian Studies 6: 111-124. Possehl, Gregory L., and Charles Frank Herman, 1990. The Sorath Harappan: A new regional manifestation of the Indus urban phase. Pp. 295-319 in: Taddei, Maurizio, with P. Callieri (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1987, vol. I. (Serie Orientale Roma 66: I.) Roma: Istituto per il Medio ed Estremo Oriente. Rissman, Paul C., and Y. M. Chitalwala, 1990. Harappan Civilization and Oriyo Timbo. With contributions from Gregory L. Possehl et al. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, xi, 155 pp., ill. ISBN 81-204-0484-X. Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1990. Hasmukh Dhirajlal Sankalia (1908-1989). American Anthropologist 92: 1006-1010. Possehl, Gregory L., and M.H. Raval, 1991. A report on the excavations at Babar Kot: 1990-91. S.l. 16 p. Submitted to the ASI. Possehl, Gregory L., and Paul C. Rissman, 1992. The chronology of prehistoric India: From earliest times to the Iron Age. Pp. 465-490 in vol. I and pp. 447-474 (Fig. 1-13, tables 1-14 and References) in vol. II of: Ehrich, Robert W. (ed.), Chronologies in Old World archaeology, 3rd ed. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan cultural mosaic: Ecology revisited. Pp. 237-244 in vol. I of: Jarrige, Catherine (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1989. (Monographs in World Archaeology, 14.) Madison WI: Prehistory Press. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan Civilization in Gujarat: The Sorath and Sindhi Harappans. The Eastern Anthropologist 45 (1-2): 117-154. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. A short history of archaeological discovery at Harappa. In: Meadow 1992a: 5-11. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1992. SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY STUDIES. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; New York: International Science Publisher (1993). 24 cm, x, 266 pp., ill., map. Hb ISBN 81-204-0734-2 & 1881570177. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Walter Ashlin Fairservis, Jr. Pp. 1-12 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Toymakers and trade: A notice of early twentieth century commerce between Philadelphia and India. Pp. 261-266 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1993. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A RECENT PERSPECTIVE. 2nd revised ed. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. an American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm, xv, 595 pp., 120 pl., maps, index. Hb ISBN 81-204-0779-2. Possehl, Gregory L., 1993. The date of Indus urbanization: A proposed chronology for the Pre-Urban and Urban Harappan phases. Pp. 231-249 in: Gail, Adalbert J., and G. R. Mevissen (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1991. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. Possehl, Gregory L., and Maurizio Tosi (eds.) 1993. HARAPPAN STUDIES, Vol. 1. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 71 pp. Pb INR 395. ISBN 81-204-0819-5. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. The Indus Civilisation. Man and Environment 19 (1-2): 103-113. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. Of men. Pp. 179-186 in: Kenoyer, Jonathan Mark (ed.), From Sumer to Meluhha: Contributions to the archaeology of South and West Asia in memory of George F. Dales, Jr. (Wisconsin Archaeological Reports, 3.) Madison, WI: Department of Anthropology, University of Wisconsin at Madison. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. RADIOMETRIC DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY. (An occasional publication of the Asia Section.) Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Museum. 122 pp. Possehl, Gregory L., and Dinker P. Mehta, 1994. Excavations at Rojdi, 1992-93. Pp. 603-614 in: Parpola, Asko, and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1993, vol. II. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae B 271: II.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Meluhha. Pp. 133-208 in: Reade, Julian (ed.), The Indian Ocean in antiquity. London: Kegan Paul International in association with the British Museum. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Climate and the eclipse of the ancient cities of the Indus. Pp. 193-244 in: Dalfes, H. N?zhet, George Kukla and Harvey Weiss (eds.), Third millennium BC climate change and Old World collapse. (NATO ASI, Series 1: Global Environment Change, vol. 49.) Berlin & New York: Springer. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. INDUS AGE: THE WRITING SYSTEM. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xiv, 244 pp., 16 pl. Hb ISBN 0-8122-3345-X & 81-204-1083-1. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The transformation of the Indus Civilization. Journal of World Prehistory 11 (4): 425-472. Reprinted in Man and Environment 24 (2), 1999: 1-33. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The date of the Surkotada cemetery: A reassessment in light of recent archaeological work in Gujarat. Pp. 81-87 in: Joshi, Jagat Pati (ed.), Facets of Indian Civilization: Recent perspectives. Essays in honour of Professor B. B. Lal. New Delhi: Aryan Books International. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. Seafaring merchants of Meluhha. Pp. 87-100 in: Allchin, Bridget (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1995. Cambridge: Ancient India and Iran Trust; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997-1998. An Harappan outpost on the Amu Darya: Shortughai, Why was it there? Indologica Taurinensia 23-24: 57-70, 1 fig. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Sociocultural complexity without the state: The Indus Civilization. Pp. 261-291 in: Feinman, Gary M., and Joyce Marcus (eds.), The archaic states. Santa Fe, NM: School of American Research. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Did the Sarasvati ever flow to the sea? Pp. 339-354 in: Philips, C. S., D. T. Potts and S. Searight (eds.), Arabia and its neighbours: Essays on prehistorical and historical developments presented in honour of Beatric de Cardi. Brussels: Brepols. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Introduction of African millets to the Indian subcontinent. Pp. 107-121 in: Pendergast, H. D. V., N. L., Etkin, D. R. Harris and P. J. Houghton (eds.), Plants for food and medicine. Kew: The Royal Botanic Gardens. Possehl, Gregory L., 1999. INDUS AGE: THE BEGINNINGS. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xxxvi, 1063 pp., 580 b/w ill. Hb ISBN 0-8122-3417-0. Reviewed: Asko Parpola, The Times Higher Education Supplement, 3 Dec 1999, p. 24. Possehl, Gregory L., and Praveena Gullapalli, 1999. The Early Iron Age in South Asia. Pp. 153-175 in: Pigott, Vincent C. (ed.), The archaeometallurgy of the Asian Old World. (MASCA Research Papers in Science and Archaeology, University Museum Monograph, volume 16.) Philadelphia: The University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000. Harappan beginnings. Pp. 99-112 in: Lamberg-Karlovsky, Martha (ed.), The breakout: The origins of civilization. (Peabody Museum Monographs, 9.) Cambridge, MA: Peabody Museum, Harvard University. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Early Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 227-241, 10 figs. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Mature Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 243-251, 2 figs. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. THE INDUS CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press. 29 cm, xi, 276 pp., ill., maps. Pb ISBN 0-7591-0172-8. Hb ISBN 0-7591-0171-X. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Fifty years of Harappan archaeology: The study of the Indus Civilization since Indian independence. Pp. 1-46 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.), Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization: An annotated list of excavations and surveys. Pp. 421-482 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.) Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Indus-Mesopotamian trade: The record in the Indus. Iranica Antiqua 37: 322-340. Possehl, Gregory L., 2003. The Indus Civilization: An introduction to environment, subsistence, and cultural history. Pp. 1-20 in: Weber, Steven A., and William R. Belcher (eds.), Indus ethnobiology: New perspectives from the field. Lanham MD: Lexington Books. Shinde, V., G. L. Possehl and M. Ameri, 2005. Excavations at Gilund 2001-2003: The seal impressions and other finds. Pp. 159-169 in: Franke-Vogt, Ute, & Hans-Joachim Weisshaar (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 2003. (Forschungen zur Arch?ologie aussereurop?ischer Kulturen, 1.) Aachen: Linden Soft Verlag e. K. Possehl, Gregory L., 2007. The Indus Civilization. Chapter 9 in: Hinnells, John R. (ed.), Handbook of ancient religions. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Joshi, Jagat Pati, 2008. Harappan architecture and civil engineering. Foreword by Gregory L. Possehl. (Infinity Foundation series.) New Delhi: Rupa & Co., in association with Infinity Foundation. ISBN 978-81-291-1183-8. Possehl, Gregory L., 2010. Review of: Parpola, Asko, B. M. Pande and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), 2010. Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions, Volume 3: New material, untraced objects, and collections outside India and Pakistan. Part 1: Mohenjo-daro and Harappa, in collaboration with Richard H. Meadow and J. Mark Kenoyer. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae, Humaniora 359; Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, No. 96.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Journal of the American Oriental Society 130 (2). From Loriliai.Biernacki at COLORADO.EDU Mon Oct 10 23:22:07 2011 From: Loriliai.Biernacki at COLORADO.EDU (Loriliai Biernacki) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 17:22:07 -0600 Subject: FW: Hindi-Urdu instructor search at CU Boulder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094077.23782.249136938163325786.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear folks, Please forward this job opening advertisement to anyone who may be interested in applying. Thanks, Loriliai -- Loriliai Biernacki Associate Professor, Religious Studies Associate Chair and Director of Graduate Studies University of Colorado at Boulder UCB 292 Boulder, CO 80309 303-735-4730 Loriliai.Biernacki at colorado.edu http://www.colorado.edu/ReligiousStudies/faculty/loriliai.biernacki.html The Department of Asian Languages and Civilizations at the University of > Colorado Boulder invites applications for a non-tenure-track appointment as > Instructor in Hindi language to begin August 2012. Requirements include at > least the MA in Hindi applied linguistics, language pedagogy, or other > related discipline; ability to teach all levels of Hindi language; and > experience teaching Hindi at the university level. Ability to > teach/knowledge of basic Urdu preferred. Teaching load is three courses per > semester. To apply, applicants must submit a letter of application, a > current CV, copies of syllabi of courses taught or proposed, and three > letters of recommendation. Applications are accepted electronically at >?https://www.jobsatcu.com , posting 814257. Review of applications will begin > on November 15, 2011. Applications will be accepted until the position is > filled. The University of Colorado is an Equal Opportunity Employer > committed to building a diverse workforce. We encourage applications from > women, racial and ethnic minorities, individuals with disabilities and > veterans. Alternative formats of this?ad?can be provided upon request for > individuals with disabilities by contacting the ADA Coordinator at (303) > 492-1334. See?www.Colorado.edu/ArtsSciences/Jobs/ >???for full?job?description. - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Mon Oct 10 19:53:47 2011 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 19:53:47 +0000 Subject: South Asian Art position at the University of Michigan Message-ID: <161227094072.23782.11812173414879449387.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, Please circulate to interested individuals the attached ad relating to the open position in South Asian Art at the University of Michigan. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104-1608, USA From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 10 14:34:38 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 20:04:38 +0530 Subject: Sad news about Greg Possehl, with his bibliography In-Reply-To: <20111010155801.64624ru01e8qjl5l.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <161227094063.23782.16398922100842774428.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> What a sad news! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Asko Parpola To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Cc: Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 6:28 PM Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sad news about Greg Possehl, with his bibliography From: "Sinopoli, Carla" Date: October 9, 2011 11:56: 13 AM CDT Subject: Sad news: Greg Possehl. Dear all, You may have already heard this news, but I just learned that Greg passed away last night -- from a heart attack and/or stroke. A sad loss for our South Asian community, for Greg?s many friends, and for all of us he has mentored and supported over the years. Regards, Carla I HAVE RECEIVED THIS SAD NEWS WHILE IN OMAN, WORKING TO ASSIST THE MINISTRY OF HERITAGE AND CULTURE TO DEVELOP AND EXPAND THE ARCHAEOLOGY IN THE SULTANATE.I HAD BROUGHT GREG HERE IN 2004 IN RELATION TO THE MAGAN BOAT PROJECT, AND WE DECIDED HE SHOULD ESTABLISH A PROJECT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ARABIAN SEA AS WELL: A NEW ADVENTURE TO SHARE, ALONG WITH SERGE CLEUZIOU. GIVEN HIS HIGHEST CREDENTIALS THE MINISTRY OFFERED HIM TO EXPLORE BAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT SITE IN THE HEARTLAND OF OMAN,? LISTED IN THE UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE....... WHAT TO DO NOW. I HOPE CHRIS, CHARLOTTE AND OTHERS WILL CONTINUE, WHILE I KEEP ON TRACKING ON A LONESOME PATH..... SOMETIME I WISH I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING BEYOND DEATH, BUT I CAN TRUST ONLY THE MEMORY OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. GREG WILL LIVE THERE, WITH MANY OTHER GOOD MEN AND WOMEN. MAURIZIO TOSI -------------------------- After the above sad news reached me this morning, I have been working on the following provisional bibliography of my respected colleague and friend, offered here in appreciation of his lifework devoted to the study of the Indus Civilization. I am sending this to the INDOLOGY and RISA -lists and to colleagues who may not be receiving these lists. Asko Parpola GREGORY L. POSSEHL (23? July 1941 - 8 or 9 Oct 2011) was Professor emeritus of Archaeology at the Department of Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, and Curator of the Asian Section, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. Possehl, Gregory L., 1967. The Mohenjo-daro floods: A reply. American Anthropologist 69: 32-40. Possehl, Gregory L., 1974. Variation and change in the Indus Civilization: A study of prehistoric Gujarat with special reference to the post-urban Harappan. Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago. x, 302 pp., ill. [Revised version published in 1980 as "Indus Civilization in Saurashtra".] Dhavalikar, M. K., and Gregory L. Possehl, 1974. Subsistence pattern of an early farming community of western India. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 7: 39-46. Possehl, Gregory L., 1975. The chronology of gabarbands and palas in western South Asia. Expedition 17 (2): 33-37. Kennedy, Kenneth A.R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), 1976.? Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. Symposium convened at the seventy-second annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association, December 2, 1973, New Orleans. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca NY: South Asia Program, Cornell University. 28 cm, vi, 236 pp., ill., maps. Pb Possehl, Gregory L., 1976. Lothal: A gateway settlement of the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 198-131 in: Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca: South Asia Program, Cornell University. Reprinted, pp. 212-218 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. Ancient cities of the Indus. New Delhi. Possehl, Gregory L., 1977. The end of a state and continuity of a tradition: A discussion of the Late Harappan. Pp. 234-254 in: Fox, Richard G. (ed.), Realm and region in traditional India. New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. ANCIENT CITIES OF THE INDUS. Durham NC: Carolina Academic Press & New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. 27 cm, xv, 422 pp., 8 pl., ill. Hb ISBN 0890890935 & 0-7069-0781-7. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Introduction. Pp.? vii-xv in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Radiocarbon dates for the Indus Civilization and related sites. Pp. 358-360 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. An extensive bibliography of the Indus Civilization including references cited in the text. Pp. 361-422 in: Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. (Ed.) Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Pastoral nomadism in the Indus Civilization: An hypothesis. Pp. 537-551 in: Taddei, Maurizio (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1977, vol. I. (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici, Series minor, 6: I.) Naples: Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici. Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1979. Hunter-gatherer/agriculturalist exchange in prehistory: An Indian example. Current Anthropology 20 (3): 592-593. Possehl, Gregory L., 1980. INDUS CIVILIZATION IN SAURASHTRA. New Delhi: Published on behalf of Indian Archaeological Society by B.R. Publishing Corporation. 29 cm, xvi, 264 pp., ill., maps. Hb [Revised version of the author's Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago, 1974.] Possehl, Gregory L., 1981. Cambay bead-making: An ancient craft in modern India. Expedition 23 (4): 39-46. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1982. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; Warminster: Aris & Phillips in cooperation with American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm xiii, 440 pp., 93 pl., maps. Hb Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. The Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Pp. 15-28 in:? Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. Discovering ancient India's earliest cities: The first phase of research. Pp. 405-413 in:? Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Possehl. Gregory L., 1984. Archaeological terminology and the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 27-36 in: Lal, B.B., and S.P. Gupta (eds.), Frontiers of the Indus Civilization: Sir Mortimer Wheeler Commemoration Volume. New Delhi: Indian Archaeological Society. Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.) 1984. STUDIES IN THE ARCHAEOLOGY AND PALAEOANTHROPOLOGY OF SOUTH ASIA.? New Delhi:? Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, viii, 144 pp., ill., maps. Lyons, Elizabeth, and Heather Peters, 1985. Buddhism: History and diversity of a great tradition. With contributions by Chang Ch'eng-mei & Gregory L. Possehl. Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm, 64 pp., ill., map. ISBN 0934718768. Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. KULLI: AN EXPLORATION OF AN ANCIENT CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH ASIA. (Centers of Civilization, 1.) Durham, NC: Carolina Academic Press. 29 cm, viii, 168 pp., ill. Hb ISBN 0890891737. Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. African millets in South Asian prehistory. Pp. 237-256 in: Jerome Jacobson (ed.), Studies in the archaeology of India and Pakistan. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. Possehl, Gregory L., 1987-1988. Indian Archaeology, A Review: Guide to excavated sites 1953-54 through 1983-84. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 18: 113-172. Possehl, Gregory L., 1989. RADIOCARBON DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY.? (Occasional publication of the Asian Section.) Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm. 60 pp. Possehl, Gregory L., and M. H. Raval, 1989. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION AND ROJDI. With contributions from Y. M. Chitalwala et al. Leiden and New York: E. J. Brill; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 29 cm, xv, 197 pp., 46 pl., 80 ill., 5 maps. ISBN 9004091572 & 81-204-0404-1. Possehl, Gregory L., 1990. Revolution in the urban revolution: The emergence of Indus urbanization. Annual Review of Anthropology 19: 261-282. Possehl. Gregory L., 1990. An archaeological adventurer in Afghanistan: Charles Masson. South Asian Studies 6: 111-124. Possehl, Gregory L., and Charles Frank Herman, 1990. The Sorath Harappan: A new regional manifestation of the Indus urban phase. Pp. 295-319 in: Taddei, Maurizio, with P. Callieri (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1987, vol. I.? (Serie Orientale Roma 66: I.) Roma: Istituto per il Medio ed Estremo Oriente. Rissman, Paul C., and Y. M. Chitalwala, 1990. Harappan Civilization and Oriyo Timbo. With contributions from Gregory L. Possehl et al. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, xi, 155 pp., ill. ISBN 81-204-0484-X. Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1990. Hasmukh Dhirajlal Sankalia (1908-1989). American Anthropologist 92: 1006-1010. Possehl, Gregory L., and M.H. Raval, 1991. A report on the excavations at Babar Kot: 1990-91. S.l. 16 p.? Submitted to the ASI. Possehl, Gregory L., and Paul C. Rissman, 1992. The chronology of prehistoric India: From earliest times to the Iron Age. Pp. 465-490 in vol. I and pp. 447-474 (Fig. 1-13, tables 1-14 and References) in vol. II of: Ehrich, Robert W. (ed.), Chronologies in Old World archaeology, 3rd ed.? Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan cultural mosaic: Ecology revisited. Pp. 237-244 in vol. I of: Jarrige, Catherine (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1989. (Monographs in World Archaeology, 14.) Madison WI: Prehistory Press. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan Civilization in Gujarat: The Sorath and Sindhi Harappans. The Eastern Anthropologist 45 (1-2): 117-154. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. A short history of archaeological discovery at Harappa. In: Meadow 1992a: 5-11. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1992. SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY STUDIES. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; New York: International Science Publisher (1993). 24 cm, x, 266 pp., ill., map. Hb ISBN 81-204-0734-2 & 1881570177. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Walter Ashlin Fairservis, Jr. Pp. 1-12 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Toymakers and trade: A notice of early twentieth century commerce between Philadelphia and India. Pp. 261-266 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1993. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A RECENT PERSPECTIVE. 2nd revised ed. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. an American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm, xv, 595 pp., 120 pl., maps, index. Hb ISBN 81-204-0779-2. Possehl, Gregory L., 1993. The date of Indus urbanization: A proposed chronology for the Pre-Urban and Urban Harappan phases. Pp. 231-249 in: Gail, Adalbert J., and G. R. Mevissen (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1991. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. Possehl, Gregory L., and Maurizio Tosi (eds.) 1993. HARAPPAN STUDIES, Vol. 1. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 71 pp. Pb INR 395. ISBN 81-204-0819-5. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. The Indus Civilisation. Man and Environment 19 (1-2): 103-113. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. Of men. Pp. 179-186 in: Kenoyer, Jonathan Mark (ed.), From Sumer to Meluhha: Contributions to the archaeology of South and West Asia in memory of George F. Dales, Jr. (Wisconsin Archaeological Reports, 3.) Madison, WI: Department of Anthropology, University of Wisconsin at Madison. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. RADIOMETRIC DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY.? (An occasional publication of the Asia Section.) Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Museum. 122 pp. Possehl, Gregory L., and Dinker P. Mehta, 1994. Excavations at Rojdi, 1992-93. Pp. 603-614 in:? Parpola, Asko, and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1993, vol. II. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae B 271: II.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Meluhha. Pp. 133-208 in: Reade, Julian (ed.), The Indian Ocean in antiquity.? London: Kegan Paul International in association with the British Museum. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Climate and the eclipse of the ancient cities of the Indus. Pp. 193-244 in: Dalfes, H. N?zhet, George Kukla and Harvey Weiss (eds.), Third millennium BC climate change and Old World collapse. (NATO ASI, Series 1: Global Environment Change, vol. 49.) Berlin & New York: Springer. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. INDUS AGE: THE WRITING SYSTEM. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xiv, 244 pp., 16 pl. Hb? ISBN 0-8122-3345-X & 81-204-1083-1. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997.? The transformation of the Indus Civilization.? Journal of World Prehistory 11 (4): 425-472. Reprinted in Man and Environment 24 (2), 1999: 1-33. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The date of the Surkotada cemetery: A reassessment in light of recent archaeological work in Gujarat. Pp. 81-87 in: Joshi, Jagat Pati (ed.), Facets of Indian Civilization: Recent perspectives. Essays in honour of Professor B. B. Lal. New Delhi: Aryan Books International. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. Seafaring merchants of Meluhha. Pp. 87-100 in: Allchin, Bridget (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1995. Cambridge: Ancient India and Iran Trust; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997-1998. An Harappan outpost on the Amu Darya: Shortughai, Why was it there? Indologica Taurinensia 23-24: 57-70, 1 fig. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Sociocultural complexity without the state: The Indus Civilization. Pp. 261-291 in: Feinman, Gary M., and Joyce Marcus (eds.), The archaic states. Santa Fe, NM: School of American Research. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Did the Sarasvati ever flow to the sea? Pp. 339-354 in: Philips, C. S., D. T. Potts and S. Searight (eds.), Arabia and its neighbours: Essays on prehistorical and historical developments presented in honour of Beatric de Cardi. Brussels: Brepols. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Introduction of African millets to the Indian subcontinent. Pp. 107-121 in: Pendergast, H. D. V., N. L., Etkin, D. R. Harris and P. J. Houghton (eds.), Plants for food and medicine. Kew: The Royal Botanic Gardens. Possehl, Gregory L., 1999. INDUS AGE: THE BEGINNINGS. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xxxvi, 1063 pp., 580 b/w ill. Hb ISBN 0-8122-3417-0. Reviewed: Asko Parpola, The Times Higher Education Supplement, 3 Dec 1999, p. 24. Possehl, Gregory L., and Praveena Gullapalli, 1999. The Early Iron Age in South Asia. Pp. 153-175 in: Pigott, Vincent C. (ed.), The archaeometallurgy of the Asian Old World.? (MASCA Research Papers in Science and Archaeology, University Museum Monograph, volume 16.) Philadelphia: The University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000. Harappan beginnings. Pp. 99-112 in: Lamberg-Karlovsky, Martha (ed.), The breakout: The origins of civilization.? (Peabody Museum Monographs, 9.) Cambridge, MA: Peabody Museum, Harvard University. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Early Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 227-241, 10 figs. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Mature Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 243-251, 2 figs. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. THE INDUS CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE.? Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press. 29 cm, xi, 276 pp., ill., maps. Pb ISBN 0-7591-0172-8. Hb ISBN 0-7591-0171-X. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Fifty years of Harappan archaeology: The study of the Indus Civilization since Indian independence. Pp. 1-46 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.), Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization: An annotated list of excavations and surveys. Pp. 421-482 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.) Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Indus-Mesopotamian trade: The record in the Indus. Iranica Antiqua 37: 322-340. Possehl, Gregory L., 2003. The Indus Civilization: An introduction to environment, subsistence, and cultural history. Pp. 1-20 in: Weber, Steven A., and William R. Belcher (eds.), Indus ethnobiology: New perspectives from the field. Lanham MD: Lexington Books. Shinde, V., G. L. Possehl and M. Ameri, 2005. Excavations at Gilund 2001-2003: The seal impressions and other finds. Pp. 159-169 in: Franke-Vogt, Ute, & Hans-Joachim Weisshaar (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 2003. (Forschungen zur Arch?ologie aussereurop?ischer Kulturen, 1.) Aachen: Linden Soft Verlag e. K. Possehl, Gregory L., 2007. The Indus Civilization. Chapter 9 in: Hinnells, John R. (ed.), Handbook of ancient religions. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Joshi, Jagat Pati, 2008. Harappan architecture and civil engineering. Foreword by Gregory L. Possehl. (Infinity Foundation series.) New Delhi: Rupa & Co., in association with Infinity Foundation. ISBN 978-81-291-1183-8. Possehl, Gregory L., 2010. Review of: Parpola, Asko, B. M. Pande and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), 2010. Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions, Volume 3: New material, untraced objects, and collections outside India and Pakistan. Part 1: Mohenjo-daro and Harappa, in collaboration with Richard H. Meadow and J. Mark Kenoyer. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae, Humaniora 359; Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, No. 96.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Journal of the American Oriental Society 130 (2). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Mon Oct 10 20:07:52 2011 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 20:07:52 +0000 Subject: South Asian Art position at the University of Michigan In-Reply-To: <1A6D14A87B9BB84D9BFBF8AE65CA1DE41436FE34@its-embx-02.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu> Message-ID: <161227094074.23782.16447051919513141726.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, Evidently, the ad for the South Asian Art at Michigan that I sent a few minutes ago as an email attachment went out as a blank. I don't know why. But here is the full text of the relevant ad: The Department of Asian Languages and Cultures and the Department of the History of Art at University of Michigan invite applications for a tenure-track position in South Asian Art and Visual Culture, at the rank of assistant professor, beginning September 2012. Ph.D. is required prior to appointment and a high level of proficiency in relevant languages is essential. Specialization is open, but the committee expects successful candidates to be committed to interdisciplinary or cross-cultural investigation. The appointee will be expected to teach a broad range of undergraduate courses and graduate seminars on the arts and visual cultures of South Asia, including both the pre-modern and modern periods, as well as, on occasion, a survey course on Arts of Asia; to supervise doctoral dissertations; and to participate actively in departmental and area studies initiatives within a large university community that encourages interdepartmental dialogue. Applicants should provide a letter of application, CV, a statement of teaching philosophy and experience, a statement of current and future research plans, evidence of teaching excellence (if available), representative publications or a writing sample, and at least three letters of recommendation. Applications must be received by November 1, 2011. The University of Michigan is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer and is supportive of the needs of dual career couples. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. Email kjmunson at umich.edu with questions. Application materials, except letters of recommendation, must be submitted electronically. Please submit your materials as email attachments to southasianart at sharepoint.umich.edu. The subject of your email must appear as follows: ?Last name, First name?. For example: Doe, Jane. Letters of recommendation should be sent as PDF files to kjmunson at umich.edu. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104-1608, USA ________________________________________ From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] on behalf of Deshpande, Madhav [mmdesh at UMICH.EDU] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:53 PM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asian Art position at the University of Michigan Dear Indologists, Please circulate to interested individuals the attached ad relating to the open position in South Asian Art at the University of Michigan. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104-1608, USA From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 10 14:44:30 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 11 20:14:30 +0530 Subject: Sad news about Greg Possehl, with his bibliography In-Reply-To: <20111010155801.64624ru01e8qjl5l.aparpola@webmail.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <161227094059.23782.2469456757950964864.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Sad news indeed! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Asko Parpola To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Cc: Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 6:28 PM Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sad news about Greg Possehl, with his bibliography From: "Sinopoli, Carla" Date: October 9, 2011 11:56: 13 AM CDT Subject: Sad news: Greg Possehl. Dear all, You may have already heard this news, but I just learned that Greg passed away last night -- from a heart attack and/or stroke. A sad loss for our South Asian community, for Greg?s many friends, and for all of us he has mentored and supported over the years. Regards, Carla I HAVE RECEIVED THIS SAD NEWS WHILE IN OMAN, WORKING TO ASSIST THE MINISTRY OF HERITAGE AND CULTURE TO DEVELOP AND EXPAND THE ARCHAEOLOGY IN THE SULTANATE.I HAD BROUGHT GREG HERE IN 2004 IN RELATION TO THE MAGAN BOAT PROJECT, AND WE DECIDED HE SHOULD ESTABLISH A PROJECT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ARABIAN SEA AS WELL: A NEW ADVENTURE TO SHARE, ALONG WITH SERGE CLEUZIOU. GIVEN HIS HIGHEST CREDENTIALS THE MINISTRY OFFERED HIM TO EXPLORE BAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT SITE IN THE HEARTLAND OF OMAN,? LISTED IN THE UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE....... WHAT TO DO NOW. I HOPE CHRIS, CHARLOTTE AND OTHERS WILL CONTINUE, WHILE I KEEP ON TRACKING ON A LONESOME PATH..... SOMETIME I WISH I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING BEYOND DEATH, BUT I CAN TRUST ONLY THE MEMORY OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. GREG WILL LIVE THERE, WITH MANY OTHER GOOD MEN AND WOMEN. MAURIZIO TOSI -------------------------- After the above sad news reached me this morning, I have been working on the following provisional bibliography of my respected colleague and friend, offered here in appreciation of his lifework devoted to the study of the Indus Civilization. I am sending this to the INDOLOGY and RISA -lists and to colleagues who may not be receiving these lists. Asko Parpola GREGORY L. POSSEHL (23? July 1941 - 8 or 9 Oct 2011) was Professor emeritus of Archaeology at the Department of Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, and Curator of the Asian Section, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. Possehl, Gregory L., 1967. The Mohenjo-daro floods: A reply. American Anthropologist 69: 32-40. Possehl, Gregory L., 1974. Variation and change in the Indus Civilization: A study of prehistoric Gujarat with special reference to the post-urban Harappan. Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago. x, 302 pp., ill. [Revised version published in 1980 as "Indus Civilization in Saurashtra".] Dhavalikar, M. K., and Gregory L. Possehl, 1974. Subsistence pattern of an early farming community of western India. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 7: 39-46. Possehl, Gregory L., 1975. The chronology of gabarbands and palas in western South Asia. Expedition 17 (2): 33-37. Kennedy, Kenneth A.R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), 1976.? Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. Symposium convened at the seventy-second annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association, December 2, 1973, New Orleans. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca NY: South Asia Program, Cornell University. 28 cm, vi, 236 pp., ill., maps. Pb Possehl, Gregory L., 1976. Lothal: A gateway settlement of the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 198-131 in: Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.), Ecological backgrounds of South Asian prehistory. (South Asia Occasional Papers and Theses, 4.) Ithaca: South Asia Program, Cornell University. Reprinted, pp. 212-218 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. Ancient cities of the Indus. New Delhi. Possehl, Gregory L., 1977. The end of a state and continuity of a tradition: A discussion of the Late Harappan. Pp. 234-254 in: Fox, Richard G. (ed.), Realm and region in traditional India. New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1979. ANCIENT CITIES OF THE INDUS. Durham NC: Carolina Academic Press & New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House Pvt. Ltd. 27 cm, xv, 422 pp., 8 pl., ill. Hb ISBN 0890890935 & 0-7069-0781-7. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Introduction. Pp.? vii-xv in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Radiocarbon dates for the Indus Civilization and related sites. Pp. 358-360 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. An extensive bibliography of the Indus Civilization including references cited in the text. Pp. 361-422 in: Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. (Ed.) Ancient cities of the Indus. Possehl, Gregory L., 1979. Pastoral nomadism in the Indus Civilization: An hypothesis. Pp. 537-551 in: Taddei, Maurizio (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1977, vol. I. (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici, Series minor, 6: I.) Naples: Istituto Universitario Orientale, Seminario di Studi Asiatici. Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1979. Hunter-gatherer/agriculturalist exchange in prehistory: An Indian example. Current Anthropology 20 (3): 592-593. Possehl, Gregory L., 1980. INDUS CIVILIZATION IN SAURASHTRA. New Delhi: Published on behalf of Indian Archaeological Society by B.R. Publishing Corporation. 29 cm, xvi, 264 pp., ill., maps. Hb [Revised version of the author's Ph.D. dissertation, The University of Chicago, 1974.] Possehl, Gregory L., 1981. Cambay bead-making: An ancient craft in modern India. Expedition 23 (4): 39-46. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1982. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; Warminster: Aris & Phillips in cooperation with American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm xiii, 440 pp., 93 pl., maps. Hb Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. The Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Pp. 15-28 in:? Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Possehl, Gregory L., 1982. Discovering ancient India's earliest cities: The first phase of research. Pp. 405-413 in:? Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), Harappan Civilization: A contemporary perspective. Possehl. Gregory L., 1984. Archaeological terminology and the Harappan Civilization. Pp. 27-36 in: Lal, B.B., and S.P. Gupta (eds.), Frontiers of the Indus Civilization: Sir Mortimer Wheeler Commemoration Volume. New Delhi: Indian Archaeological Society. Kennedy, Kenneth A. R., and Gregory L. Possehl (eds.) 1984. STUDIES IN THE ARCHAEOLOGY AND PALAEOANTHROPOLOGY OF SOUTH ASIA.? New Delhi:? Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, viii, 144 pp., ill., maps. Lyons, Elizabeth, and Heather Peters, 1985. Buddhism: History and diversity of a great tradition. With contributions by Chang Ch'eng-mei & Gregory L. Possehl. Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm, 64 pp., ill., map. ISBN 0934718768. Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. KULLI: AN EXPLORATION OF AN ANCIENT CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH ASIA. (Centers of Civilization, 1.) Durham, NC: Carolina Academic Press. 29 cm, viii, 168 pp., ill. Hb ISBN 0890891737. Possehl, Gregory L., 1986. African millets in South Asian prehistory. Pp. 237-256 in: Jerome Jacobson (ed.), Studies in the archaeology of India and Pakistan. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. Possehl, Gregory L., 1987-1988. Indian Archaeology, A Review: Guide to excavated sites 1953-54 through 1983-84. Puratattva (Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society) 18: 113-172. Possehl, Gregory L., 1989. RADIOCARBON DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY.? (Occasional publication of the Asian Section.) Philadelphia: University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. 28 cm. 60 pp. Possehl, Gregory L., and M. H. Raval, 1989. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION AND ROJDI. With contributions from Y. M. Chitalwala et al. Leiden and New York: E. J. Brill; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 29 cm, xv, 197 pp., 46 pl., 80 ill., 5 maps. ISBN 9004091572 & 81-204-0404-1. Possehl, Gregory L., 1990. Revolution in the urban revolution: The emergence of Indus urbanization. Annual Review of Anthropology 19: 261-282. Possehl. Gregory L., 1990. An archaeological adventurer in Afghanistan: Charles Masson. South Asian Studies 6: 111-124. Possehl, Gregory L., and Charles Frank Herman, 1990. The Sorath Harappan: A new regional manifestation of the Indus urban phase. Pp. 295-319 in: Taddei, Maurizio, with P. Callieri (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1987, vol. I.? (Serie Orientale Roma 66: I.) Roma: Istituto per il Medio ed Estremo Oriente. Rissman, Paul C., and Y. M. Chitalwala, 1990. Harappan Civilization and Oriyo Timbo. With contributions from Gregory L. Possehl et al. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies. 25 cm, xi, 155 pp., ill. ISBN 81-204-0484-X. Possehl, Gregory L., and Kenneth A. R. Kennedy, 1990. Hasmukh Dhirajlal Sankalia (1908-1989). American Anthropologist 92: 1006-1010. Possehl, Gregory L., and M.H. Raval, 1991. A report on the excavations at Babar Kot: 1990-91. S.l. 16 p.? Submitted to the ASI. Possehl, Gregory L., and Paul C. Rissman, 1992. The chronology of prehistoric India: From earliest times to the Iron Age. Pp. 465-490 in vol. I and pp. 447-474 (Fig. 1-13, tables 1-14 and References) in vol. II of: Ehrich, Robert W. (ed.), Chronologies in Old World archaeology, 3rd ed.? Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan cultural mosaic: Ecology revisited. Pp. 237-244 in vol. I of: Jarrige, Catherine (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1989. (Monographs in World Archaeology, 14.) Madison WI: Prehistory Press. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. The Harappan Civilization in Gujarat: The Sorath and Sindhi Harappans. The Eastern Anthropologist 45 (1-2): 117-154. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. A short history of archaeological discovery at Harappa. In: Meadow 1992a: 5-11. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1992. SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY STUDIES. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. and American Institute of Indian Studies; New York: International Science Publisher (1993). 24 cm, x, 266 pp., ill., map. Hb ISBN 81-204-0734-2 & 1881570177. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Walter Ashlin Fairservis, Jr. Pp. 1-12 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. Possehl, Gregory L., 1992. Toymakers and trade: A notice of early twentieth century commerce between Philadelphia and India. Pp. 261-266 in: Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.), South Asian archaeology studies. Possehl, Gregory L. (ed.) 1993. HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION: A RECENT PERSPECTIVE. 2nd revised ed. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. an American Institute of Indian Studies. 28 cm, xv, 595 pp., 120 pl., maps, index. Hb ISBN 81-204-0779-2. Possehl, Gregory L., 1993. The date of Indus urbanization: A proposed chronology for the Pre-Urban and Urban Harappan phases. Pp. 231-249 in: Gail, Adalbert J., and G. R. Mevissen (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1991. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag. Possehl, Gregory L., and Maurizio Tosi (eds.) 1993. HARAPPAN STUDIES, Vol. 1. New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 71 pp. Pb INR 395. ISBN 81-204-0819-5. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. The Indus Civilisation. Man and Environment 19 (1-2): 103-113. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. Of men. Pp. 179-186 in: Kenoyer, Jonathan Mark (ed.), From Sumer to Meluhha: Contributions to the archaeology of South and West Asia in memory of George F. Dales, Jr. (Wisconsin Archaeological Reports, 3.) Madison, WI: Department of Anthropology, University of Wisconsin at Madison. Possehl, Gregory L., 1994. RADIOMETRIC DATES FOR SOUTH ASIAN ARCHAEOLOGY.? (An occasional publication of the Asia Section.) Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Museum. 122 pp. Possehl, Gregory L., and Dinker P. Mehta, 1994. Excavations at Rojdi, 1992-93. Pp. 603-614 in:? Parpola, Asko, and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 1993, vol. II. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae B 271: II.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Meluhha. Pp. 133-208 in: Reade, Julian (ed.), The Indian Ocean in antiquity.? London: Kegan Paul International in association with the British Museum. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. Climate and the eclipse of the ancient cities of the Indus. Pp. 193-244 in: Dalfes, H. N?zhet, George Kukla and Harvey Weiss (eds.), Third millennium BC climate change and Old World collapse. (NATO ASI, Series 1: Global Environment Change, vol. 49.) Berlin & New York: Springer. Possehl, Gregory L., 1996. INDUS AGE: THE WRITING SYSTEM. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xiv, 244 pp., 16 pl. Hb? ISBN 0-8122-3345-X & 81-204-1083-1. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997.? The transformation of the Indus Civilization.? Journal of World Prehistory 11 (4): 425-472. Reprinted in Man and Environment 24 (2), 1999: 1-33. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. The date of the Surkotada cemetery: A reassessment in light of recent archaeological work in Gujarat. Pp. 81-87 in: Joshi, Jagat Pati (ed.), Facets of Indian Civilization: Recent perspectives. Essays in honour of Professor B. B. Lal. New Delhi: Aryan Books International. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997. Seafaring merchants of Meluhha. Pp. 87-100 in: Allchin, Bridget (ed.), South Asian Archaeology 1995. Cambridge: Ancient India and Iran Trust; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. Possehl, Gregory L., 1997-1998. An Harappan outpost on the Amu Darya: Shortughai, Why was it there? Indologica Taurinensia 23-24: 57-70, 1 fig. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Sociocultural complexity without the state: The Indus Civilization. Pp. 261-291 in: Feinman, Gary M., and Joyce Marcus (eds.), The archaic states. Santa Fe, NM: School of American Research. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Did the Sarasvati ever flow to the sea? Pp. 339-354 in: Philips, C. S., D. T. Potts and S. Searight (eds.), Arabia and its neighbours: Essays on prehistorical and historical developments presented in honour of Beatric de Cardi. Brussels: Brepols. Possehl, Gregory L., 1998. Introduction of African millets to the Indian subcontinent. Pp. 107-121 in: Pendergast, H. D. V., N. L., Etkin, D. R. Harris and P. J. Houghton (eds.), Plants for food and medicine. Kew: The Royal Botanic Gardens. Possehl, Gregory L., 1999. INDUS AGE: THE BEGINNINGS. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press; New Delhi: Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. Pvt. Ltd. 29 cm, xxxvi, 1063 pp., 580 b/w ill. Hb ISBN 0-8122-3417-0. Reviewed: Asko Parpola, The Times Higher Education Supplement, 3 Dec 1999, p. 24. Possehl, Gregory L., and Praveena Gullapalli, 1999. The Early Iron Age in South Asia. Pp. 153-175 in: Pigott, Vincent C. (ed.), The archaeometallurgy of the Asian Old World.? (MASCA Research Papers in Science and Archaeology, University Museum Monograph, volume 16.) Philadelphia: The University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000. Harappan beginnings. Pp. 99-112 in: Lamberg-Karlovsky, Martha (ed.), The breakout: The origins of civilization.? (Peabody Museum Monographs, 9.) Cambridge, MA: Peabody Museum, Harvard University. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Early Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 227-241, 10 figs. Possehl, Gregory L., 2000-2001. The Mature Harapopan phase. Bulletin of the Deccan College Post-Graduate and Research Institute 60-61: 243-251, 2 figs. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. THE INDUS CIVILIZATION: A CONTEMPORARY PERSPECTIVE.? Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press. 29 cm, xi, 276 pp., ill., maps. Pb ISBN 0-7591-0172-8. Hb ISBN 0-7591-0171-X. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Fifty years of Harappan archaeology: The study of the Indus Civilization since Indian independence. Pp. 1-46 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.), Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization: An annotated list of excavations and surveys. Pp. 421-482 in: Settar, S., and Ravi Korisettar (eds.) Protohistory: Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization. (Indian archaeology in retrospect, vol. II.) New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research & Manohar. Possehl, Gregory L., 2002. Indus-Mesopotamian trade: The record in the Indus. Iranica Antiqua 37: 322-340. Possehl, Gregory L., 2003. The Indus Civilization: An introduction to environment, subsistence, and cultural history. Pp. 1-20 in: Weber, Steven A., and William R. Belcher (eds.), Indus ethnobiology: New perspectives from the field. Lanham MD: Lexington Books. Shinde, V., G. L. Possehl and M. Ameri, 2005. Excavations at Gilund 2001-2003: The seal impressions and other finds. Pp. 159-169 in: Franke-Vogt, Ute, & Hans-Joachim Weisshaar (eds.), South Asian Archaeology 2003. (Forschungen zur Arch?ologie aussereurop?ischer Kulturen, 1.) Aachen: Linden Soft Verlag e. K. Possehl, Gregory L., 2007. The Indus Civilization. Chapter 9 in: Hinnells, John R. (ed.), Handbook of ancient religions. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Joshi, Jagat Pati, 2008. Harappan architecture and civil engineering. Foreword by Gregory L. Possehl. (Infinity Foundation series.) New Delhi: Rupa & Co., in association with Infinity Foundation. ISBN 978-81-291-1183-8. Possehl, Gregory L., 2010. Review of: Parpola, Asko, B. M. Pande and Petteri Koskikallio (eds.), 2010. Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions, Volume 3: New material, untraced objects, and collections outside India and Pakistan. Part 1: Mohenjo-daro and Harappa, in collaboration with Richard H. Meadow and J. Mark Kenoyer. (Annales Academiae Scientiarum Fennicae, Humaniora 359; Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, No. 96.) Helsinki: Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia. Journal of the American Oriental Society 130 (2). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK Tue Oct 11 17:41:50 2011 From: wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK (Whitney Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 11 12:41:50 -0500 Subject: Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school Message-ID: <161227094083.23782.253907896180984524.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear all, I am forwarding this on behalf of the school's head of Sanskrit; please follow the link for more information, best, Whitney Cox St James Senior Boys? School in Ashford, to the west of London, UK, are advertising a position for a Sanskrit teacher. Applications can be made directly through the TES website: http://www.tes.co.uk/JobDetailsgold.aspx?ac=3020782&qry=parametrics%3DJOBCATEGORYCODE%7C10804%26SortOrder%3Dsaveddate%26PageNo%3D1&cur=5&rslt=1009&UK=true -- Dr. Whitney Cox Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H 0XG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU Tue Oct 11 03:56:04 2011 From: McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 11 14:56:04 +1100 Subject: Second Notice: Spoken Sanskrit Summer School, Feb 2012 - applications closing soon In-Reply-To: <77c0f8dd2d8f3.4e93be4f@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <161227094079.23782.17355400718951402946.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Applications for the Third Australian Spoken Sanskrit Summer School close on 31 October 2011. Numbers are strictly limited, so please book now to reserve a place. The Summer School will run from 5-19 Feb 2012. The cost for bed, board, three meals and morning and afternoon teas, tuition and materials will be approximately A$1700. For details and for booking, please visit our website: https://sites.google.com/site/spokensansrit12/ This is a wonderful opportunity to learn Spoken Sanskrit with Dr Sadananada Das in a beautiful, coastal environment. Where else can you combine sun, surf and Sanskrit? Please circulate this notice as widely as possible. (Students can take this course SKRT2201 for credit at any Australian university. Please contact Harriette.Wilson at anu.edu.au for details) -- McComas Taylor Head, South Asia Program ANU College of Asia and the Pacific Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 Location: Baldessin Precinct Building, 4.24 Website: McComas Taylor(http://arktos.anu.edu.au/chill/index.php/mct)Courses: Learn about some of my courses:? Sanskrit 1(http://www.screenr.com/NSBs)? |? Indian Epics(http://screenr.com/uUBs) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK Tue Oct 11 21:02:14 2011 From: wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK (Whitney Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 11 16:02:14 -0500 Subject: Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094088.23782.1423503547160328581.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dominik is quite right to point this out; I passed along the message because I was asked to, and did not mean to imply any endorsement of the school, its policies, or its management. Also, apologies for my as-ever execrable spelling in my subject line, wc On 11 October 2011 15:05, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > It may bear noting, for those not familiar with the London Sanskrit scene, > that the St James school was founded by members of, and with organisational > backing from the School of Economic Science (not the London School of > Economics). The SES has roots in the thinking of Henry George and G. I. > Ouspensky, but was influenced from the 1960s by ??nt?nanda Sarasvat?, ?a?kar?c?rya > of Jyotirmath. Hence the Sanskrit. See the historical sketch on the SES's > website and the SES's > own statement > in > answer to some of its critics. In 2005, the St James school was the subject > of a formal enquiry relating to its disciplinary > practices. > > Best, > Dominik > > > > > On 11 October 2011 23:11, Whitney Cox wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> >> I am forwarding this on behalf of the school's head of Sanskrit; please >> follow the link for more information, >> >> >> best, >> >> >> Whitney Cox >> >> >> St James Senior Boys? School in Ashford, to the west of London, UK, are >> advertising a position for a Sanskrit teacher. Applications can be made >> directly through the TES website: >> http://www.tes.co.uk/JobDetailsgold.aspx?ac=3020782&qry=parametrics%3DJOBCATEGORYCODE%7C10804%26SortOrder%3Dsaveddate%26PageNo%3D1&cur=5&rslt=1009&UK=true >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Dr. Whitney Cox >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit >> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, >> School of Oriental and African Studies >> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square >> London WC1H 0XG >> > > > -- Dr. Whitney Cox Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H 0XG -- Dr. Whitney Cox Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H 0XG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 11 20:05:51 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 11 01:35:51 +0530 Subject: Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094085.23782.5410072299413960221.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> It may bear noting, for those not familiar with the London Sanskrit scene, that the St James school was founded by members of, and with organisational backing from the School of Economic Science (not the London School of Economics). The SES has roots in the thinking of Henry George and G. I. Ouspensky, but was influenced from the 1960s by ??nt?nanda Sarasvat?, ?a?kar?c?rya of Jyotirmath. Hence the Sanskrit. See the historical sketch on the SES's website and the SES's own statement in answer to some of its critics. In 2005, the St James school was the subject of a formal enquiry relating to its disciplinary practices. Best, Dominik On 11 October 2011 23:11, Whitney Cox wrote: > Dear all, > > > I am forwarding this on behalf of the school's head of Sanskrit; please > follow the link for more information, > > > best, > > > Whitney Cox > > > St James Senior Boys? School in Ashford, to the west of London, UK, are > advertising a position for a Sanskrit teacher. Applications can be made > directly through the TES website: > http://www.tes.co.uk/JobDetailsgold.aspx?ac=3020782&qry=parametrics%3DJOBCATEGORYCODE%7C10804%26SortOrder%3Dsaveddate%26PageNo%3D1&cur=5&rslt=1009&UK=true > > > > -- > > > Dr. Whitney Cox > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit > Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, > School of Oriental and African Studies > Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square > London WC1H 0XG > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Wed Oct 12 15:12:30 2011 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 11 17:12:30 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #394 Message-ID: <161227094090.23782.7033046888945510825.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Haribhatta: Jatakamala : revised and enlarged (plain text / text with pada markers / pada index) __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm From palaniappa at AOL.COM Thu Oct 13 04:16:54 2011 From: palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 11 00:16:54 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_tantuv_=C4=81ya_as_tailor?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094093.23782.3547010607815480559.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many thanks to Dominic and Patrick. Regards, Palaniappan -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Olivelle To: INDOLOGY Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 2:55 am Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tantuv?ya as tailor Dominic is absolutely right. See tunnav?ya also at Artha??stra 4.1.8, which clearly means weaver; and tunnav?ya, compared to wahermen/dyers, at 4.1.25. Patrick On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Dominic Goodall wrote: > Perhaps tantuv?ya here in the English text is simply a mistake? The first verse quoted in the footnote uses rather the expression tunnav?ya. > > Both words seem to be common and old, but while one expects tunnav?ya to refer to a ?tailor? (see, e.g., Manusm?ti 2.214 and commentaries), one expects tantuv?ya to refer to a weaver (see, e.g., Manusm?ti 8.397 and commentaries). > > Dominic Goodall > ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient > > On 10-Oct-2011, at 2:41 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote: > >> According to K. V. Subrahmanya Aiyar (Travancore Archaeological Series vol. 4, p.109), in the Sanskrit work B?lar?ma Bh?ratam, the author B?lar?mavarman Kula?ekhara-Perum?? uses the word 'tantuv?ya' in the sense of 'tailor'. (See attachment). Has the word 'tantuv?ya' been used in the meaning of 'tailor' anywhere else in Sanskrit? >> >> A related question is: what is the etymology of Skt. tunnav?ya? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards, >> Palaniappan >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Thu Oct 13 16:55:47 2011 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 11 18:55:47 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #395 Message-ID: <161227094096.23782.11914626727893369259.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Haribhatta: Jatakamala : content data corrected Yama-Smrti: South Indian recension Yama-Smrti: Pada index of all four versions Cumulative pada index of metric Dharma texts : one version of Yama-Smrti added Yogasataka : title corrected __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm From gthomgt at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 14 17:21:24 2011 From: gthomgt at GMAIL.COM (George Thompson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 11 13:21:24 -0400 Subject: Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094100.23782.15584065989914875504.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hello Dominik, It puzzles me that a School of Economic Science would have been influenced by such sources. Is there evidence that these sources had any interest in economic science? I'm not very well informed about them. I'm just curious. Thanks for passing this on. George On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > It may bear noting, for those not familiar with the London Sanskrit scene, > that the St James school was founded by members of, and with organisational > backing from the School of Economic Science (not the London School of > Economics).? The SES has roots in the thinking of Henry George and G. I. > Ouspensky, but was influenced from the 1960s by? ??nt?nanda Sarasvat?, > ?a?kar?c?rya of Jyotirmath.? Hence the Sanskrit.? See the historical sketch > on the SES's website and the SES's own statement in answer to some of its > critics.? In 2005, the St James school was the subject of a formal enquiry > relating to its disciplinary practices. > > Best, > Dominik > > > > On 11 October 2011 23:11, Whitney Cox wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I am forwarding this on behalf of the school's head of Sanskrit; please >> follow the link for more information, >> >> best, >> >> Whitney Cox >> >> St James Senior Boys? School in Ashford, to the west of London, UK, are >> advertising a position for a Sanskrit teacher.? Applications can be made >> directly through the TES >> website:?http://www.tes.co.uk/JobDetailsgold.aspx?ac=3020782&qry=parametrics%3DJOBCATEGORYCODE%7C10804%26SortOrder%3Dsaveddate%26PageNo%3D1&cur=5&rslt=1009&UK=true >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Dr. Whitney Cox >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit >> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, >> School of Oriental and African Studies >> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square >> London WC1H 0XG > > > From klaus.karttunen at HELSINKI.FI Fri Oct 14 11:35:28 2011 From: klaus.karttunen at HELSINKI.FI (Klaus Karttunen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 11 14:35:28 +0300 Subject: Query Message-ID: <161227094098.23782.4670750473112932710.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, one of the irritating gaps in our libraries is the Bibliotheque bouddhique (though I know it from other libraries). Could anybody look at vol. 7-8 (1934-36) and tell what pages takes the Indes prepared by Nadine Stchoupak. Thanks Klaus Klaus Karttunen Professor of South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND Tel +358-(0)9-191 22674 Fax +358-(0)9-191 22094 Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vjroebuck at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Oct 15 08:27:54 2011 From: vjroebuck at BTINTERNET.COM (Valerie ROEBUCK) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 09:27:54 +0100 Subject: Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094106.23782.10715421054082354008.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The SES is a cult/NRM, I think with Gurjieffian links. I've no idea why it has that name, but they are quite keen on Sanskrit. ? Valerie J Roebuck ? ________________________________ From: George Thompson To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011, 18:21 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school Hello Dominik, It puzzles me that a School of Economic Science would have been influenced by such sources.? Is there evidence that these sources had any interest in economic science?? I'm not very well informed about them. I'm just curious. Thanks for passing this on. George On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > It may bear noting, for those not familiar with the London Sanskrit scene, > that the St James school was founded by members of, and with organisational > backing from the School of Economic Science (not the London School of > Economics).? The SES has roots in the thinking of Henry George and G. I. > Ouspensky, but was influenced from the 1960s by? ??nt?nanda Sarasvat?, > ?a?kar?c?rya of Jyotirmath.? Hence the Sanskrit.? See the historical sketch > on the SES's website and the SES's own statement in answer to some of its > critics.? In 2005, the St James school was the subject of a formal enquiry > relating to its disciplinary practices. > > Best, > Dominik > > > > On 11 October 2011 23:11, Whitney Cox wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I am forwarding this on behalf of the school's head of Sanskrit; please >> follow the link for more information, >> >> best, >> >> Whitney Cox >> >> St James Senior Boys? School in Ashford, to the west of London, UK, are >> advertising a position for a Sanskrit teacher.? Applications can be made >> directly through the TES >> website:?http://www.tes.co.uk/JobDetailsgold.aspx?ac=3020782&qry=parametrics%3DJOBCATEGORYCODE%7C10804%26SortOrder%3Dsaveddate%26PageNo%3D1&cur=5&rslt=1009&UK=true >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Dr. Whitney Cox >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit >> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, >> School of Oriental and African Studies >> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square >> London WC1H 0XG > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Sat Oct 15 09:14:33 2011 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 11:14:33 +0200 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Message-ID: <161227094109.23782.6547130677750459281.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The members of this list may have heard of the following news item "http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2538550.ece?homepage=true" It is often said that the "letters" found are to be deciphered as "va-ya-ra". In Tamil discussion lists they are often presented as the equivalent of வயர (or வய்ர). One of the points which is discussed is which language this might belong to. I would be interested in comments by those who can provide additional light on this discovery, as I feel quite ignorant in these matters. Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) ******************************* 15 10 2011 * New results from the analysis of paddy grains found in the Porunthal graveyard archaeological site prove that writing systems in India were in existence in the 5th Century BC, predating the arrival of Asoka, according to history professor at the Pondicherry University and director of the excavation project at Porunthal K. Rajan. Rice paddy samples that were contained in an engraved pot found inside one of the graves were found to be from 450 BC when analysed using Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS) by the Beta Analytic Lab, USA, he said, addressing a private gathering organised by the Manarkeni journal. Earlier, paddy sample from another grave was dated at 490 BC, but many scholars were unwilling to accept evidence obtained from only one sample. The analysis of the second sample proved that Tamil-Brahmi writing existed in the 5th century BC and was not invented in the 3rd century BC as was previously believed by scholars, he said. This was also the first time anyone had discovered Tamil-Brahmi script along with rice in any archaeological site. Scholars were still debating on the exact letters that were written and its meaning, he said. Another significant discovery from the gravesite is that the paddy samples obtained in the graves in Porunthal were cultivated paddy of the Orissa Satvaika variety, he said. The Porunthal site is located 12 km South West of Palani and was discovered to have archaeological value in 2006. In 2009-2010, Mr. Rajan and his team of 80 students started excavation at the site, which was divided into two sections ? one area for habitation and one area with a graveyard. There were over 100 graves in the region, but with modernisation of the area, several graves have been destroyed and now only 30 graves are still intact, he said. In the graves that were studied, it was found that while most of the containers found in the graves were made after the person's death, there was one container that showed signs of use. The team also found a pot with around 2 kilos of rice paddy, which had been sealed in airtight containers. These graves also contained a large number of beads, which were predominantly glass. The pottery in the grave was also engraved with Tamil-Brahmi script, he said. In two of the graves, the team found over 11,000 beads, which were made from glass or paste. The beads were originally made in the Vidarbha region, indicating a trade relationship between the two regions, he said. The team had also unearthed a skeleton adorned with a necklace of beads in one of the graves, but they had not yet analysed the bones, he said. The excavation team also found pottery with a peacock design on it. In his speech at the event, editor of the Manarkeni journal D. Ravikumar expressed distress at the destruction of various archaeological sites in the Porunthal region by quarries. History scholars T. Subramaniam, K. Vijayavenugopal and Raj Gouthaman spoke. Retrieved from http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2538550.ece?homepage=true Copyright & Thanks to The Hindu Update 15 10 2011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TamilNadu_PorunthalexcavationsproveexistenceofIndianscriptsin5thcenturyBC_expert.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 65890 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Oct 15 19:20:45 2011 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 12:20:45 -0700 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: <1318705242.354.YahooMailNeo@web28608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094145.23782.9816739155149700796.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, I am NOT an archeologist, nor an expert on paleography or whatever ... . However, the statement, "Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various attempts." needs some attention and substantiation. I wish genuine and serious scholars would stop making such flippant remarks! :-) Tamils, as being one myself, have to go through a long way to prove ourselves to be worthy of something in a heavily non-Tamil oriented culture, anywhere in the world! That being the case, it is also worth demanding precise statements about our culture, I think. Thanks and regards, V.S. Rajam (www.letsgrammar.org) On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical > "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period > pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been > known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or > intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, > but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such > ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen scores > of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) > Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even > suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into the > matter very closely. Actually, the original article should have > illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, > particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of > pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established > dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. > With best wishes, > Corinna Wessels-Mevissen > > Von: Dipak Bhattacharya > An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Gesendet: 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 > Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th > century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the > history of writing in India > > Dear Colleagues, > My apology that this is no additional light but the most common and > inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the dark > gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 > century BCE ph?nician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase legend > as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got universal > acceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and open up new > problems. If the claimed date is true it should represent an > intermediate stage which cannot be without visible signs. > Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is proved to be > intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE > ph?nician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be proved. I > tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as > intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern > Tamil vayara. I would have been glad to paste an image of the same > word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be said > with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the inital > diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no specimen. > The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre evidence, I think. > ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? > starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least > the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I keep my > fingers crossed. I wish I am proved wrong. > Best wishes > DB > ??? (or ????). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Oct 15 19:25:17 2011 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 12:25:17 -0700 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094150.23782.4231200555502502978.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> More than that ... Dear JLC, The statement, "Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various attempts." needs some attention and substantiation. I wish genuine and serious scholars would stop making such flippant remarks! :-) Best wishes, V.S. Rajam (www.letsgrammar.org) On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: > Dear Corinna Wessels-Mevissen, > > can you explain more in details > why you are sceptical with the decipherment > "va-y(a)-ra". > > Every comment is important, at this stage, ... > > Best wishes > > -- jlc > > > > On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: >> Dear Colleagues, >> What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical >> "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period >> pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been >> known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or >> intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, >> but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such >> ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen scores >> of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) >> Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even >> suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into the >> matter very closely. Actually, the original article should have >> illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, >> particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of >> pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established >> dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. >> With best wishes, >> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> *Von:* Dipak Bhattacharya >> *An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >> *Gesendet:* 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 >> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th >> century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the >> history of writing in India >> Dear Colleagues, >> My apology that this is no additional light but the most common >> and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the >> dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 >> century BCE phɶnician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase >> legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got >> universal ac-ra"ceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and >> open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should >> represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible >> signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is proved to >> be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE >> phɶnician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be >> proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as >> intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern >> Tamil /vayara/. I would have been glad to paste an image of the >> same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be >> said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the >> inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no >> specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre >> evidence, I think. >> ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? starting >> with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least the late >> twentieth century. Going by previous experience I keep my fingers >> crossed.I wish I am proved wrong. >> Best wishes >> DB >> வயர (or வய்ர). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Oct 15 20:21:42 2011 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 13:21:42 -0700 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: <1318707661.96279.YahooMailNeo@web28604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094156.23782.14984066870659699093.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Respected Colleagues, Yes, please ... whether you are an old timer or a "new kid on the block" ... kindly avoid making sweeping, flippant, unsubstantiated remarks about any culture/language you study, especially when it is not pertinent to the topic under focus. Thanks and regards, V.S. Rajam (www.letsgrammar.org) On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Respected Colleagues, > I had apologized beforehand ("sorry to say...") and will do this > once more. This was a general statement not immediately connected > with the decipherment of "va-y(a)-ra", but drawn from my own - > quite recent - experience, when a well-known archaeologist (not to > name here) had even given my name in support of an - in my view - > untenable new dating attempt. (In this case, Brahmi was not involved.) > But please excuse me, I should better not have conflated these > matters! > Best wishes, > Corinna > > Von: rajam > An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Gesendet: 21:25 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 > Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th > century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the > history of writing in India > > More than that ... Dear JLC, > > The statement, "Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to > be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push > back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various > attempts." needs some attention and substantiation. I wish genuine > and serious scholars would stop making such flippant remarks! :-) > > Best wishes, > V.S. Rajam > (www.letsgrammar.org) > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: > >> Dear Corinna Wessels-Mevissen, >> >> can you explain more in details >> why you are sceptical with the decipherment >> "va-y(a)-ra". >> >> Every comment is important, at this stage, ... >> >> Best wishes >> >> -- jlc >> >> >> >> On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical >>> "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period >>> pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been >>> known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or >>> intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, >>> but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such >>> ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen >>> scores of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) >>> Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even >>> suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into >>> the matter very closely. Actually, the original article should >>> have illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, >>> particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of >>> pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established >>> dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. >>> With best wishes, >>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> *Von:* Dipak Bhattacharya >>> *An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >>> *Gesendet:* 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 >>> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th >>> century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the >>> history of writing in India >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> My apology that this is no additional light but the most common >>> and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the >>> dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 >>> century BCE phɶnician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase >>> legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got >>> universal ac-ra"ceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and >>> open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should >>> represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible >>> signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is proved to >>> be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE >>> phɶnician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be >>> proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded >>> as intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern >>> Tamil /vayara/. I would have been glad to paste an image of the >>> same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be >>> said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the >>> inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no >>> specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre >>> evidence, I think. >>> ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? >>> starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at >>> least the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I >>> keep my fingers crossed.I wish I am proved wrong. >>> Best wishes >>> DB >>> வயர (or வய்ர). > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 15 08:02:13 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 13:32:13 +0530 Subject: Sanskrit teachign post in British secondary school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094103.23782.4427019803558559363.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The history of the SES is reasonably well documented on their own websites, though perhaps with different emphases than we would put on matters. Very much condensed, the Scottish politician Andrew Maclarenstarted the groups that became the SES. His son, the barrister Leon Maclaren, inherited his father's passionate devotion to the causes of social justice, and took over the SES discussion groups, extending the courses from just economics to wider philosophical issues. The Wikipedia page (on 15 Oct 2011) on Leon Maclaren , says most of what there is to be said from there on, I think. In answer to your question, George, no, Leon Maclaren wasn't interested in vedanta as a source of economic ideas. His personal trajectory, or quest, evolved from economics and social issues to soteriological matters, and he was interested in vedanta in its own terms, as a source of spiritual ideas that he taught in London, where the SES continued (and perhaps continues?) to teach economics alongside the more soteriological materials that they call "practical philosophy." They advertise quite widely in the tube and elsewhere in London (like this, which is from Dublin). The SES took up Krishna Tirthaji Maharaj's book, Vedic Mathematics, in a big way, many years ago, taking it completely at face value as a vedic revelation. Largely as a result of the SES's championing this material in their schools, a mini industry has grown of books for kids teaching these methods of mental arithmetic, and this has been very well received and extended in India (though there is also a literature of opposition and debunking). Motilal Banarsidas' shop in Delhi has a couple of shelves of "vedic maths" books. Best, Dominik On 14 October 2011 22:51, George Thompson wrote: > Hello Dominik, > > It puzzles me that a School of Economic Science would have been > influenced by such sources. Is there evidence that these sources had > any interest in economic science? I'm not very well informed about > them. I'm just curious. > > Thanks for passing this on. > > George > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > > > > It may bear noting, for those not familiar with the London Sanskrit > scene, > > that the St James school was founded by members of, and with > organisational > > backing from the School of Economic Science (not the London School of > > Economics). The SES has roots in the thinking of Henry George and G. I. > > Ouspensky, but was influenced from the 1960s by ??nt?nanda Sarasvat?, > > ?a?kar?c?rya of Jyotirmath. Hence the Sanskrit. See the historical > sketch > > on the SES's website and the SES's own statement in answer to some of its > > critics. In 2005, the St James school was the subject of a formal > enquiry > > relating to its disciplinary practices. > > > > Best, > > Dominik > > > > > > > > On 11 October 2011 23:11, Whitney Cox wrote: > >> > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I am forwarding this on behalf of the school's head of Sanskrit; please > >> follow the link for more information, > >> > >> best, > >> > >> Whitney Cox > >> > >> St James Senior Boys? School in Ashford, to the west of London, UK, are > >> advertising a position for a Sanskrit teacher. Applications can be made > >> directly through the TES > >> website: > http://www.tes.co.uk/JobDetailsgold.aspx?ac=3020782&qry=parametrics%3DJOBCATEGORYCODE%7C10804%26SortOrder%3Dsaveddate%26PageNo%3D1&cur=5&rslt=1009&UK=true > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> Dr. Whitney Cox > >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit > >> Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, > >> School of Oriental and African Studies > >> Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square > >> London WC1H 0XG > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Oct 15 21:01:55 2011 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 14:01:55 -0700 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: <1318707661.96279.YahooMailNeo@web28604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094159.23782.8946390287993734732.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I add ... Dear Ms. Wessels-Mevissen, AND .... You should have the courage to challenge that "well known archeologist" ... if you felt that his belief in your support of his research was fake/unfair. :-) ++++++++++++++++++++++ Respected Colleagues, Yes, please ... whether you are an old timer or a "new kid on the block" ... kindly avoid making sweeping, flippant, unsubstantiated remarks about any culture/language you study, especially when it is not pertinent to the topic under focus. Thanks and regards, V.S. Rajam (www.letsgrammar.org) On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Respected Colleagues, > I had apologized beforehand ("sorry to say...") and will do this > once more. This was a general statement not immediately connected > with the decipherment of "va-y(a)-ra", but drawn from my own - > quite recent - experience, when a well-known archaeologist (not to > name here) had even given my name in support of an - in my view - > untenable new dating attempt. (In this case, Brahmi was not involved.) > But please excuse me, I should better not have conflated these > matters! > Best wishes, > Corinna > > Von: rajam > An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Gesendet: 21:25 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 > Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th > century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the > history of writing in India > > More than that ... Dear JLC, > > The statement, "Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to > be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push > back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various > attempts." needs some attention and substantiation. I wish genuine > and serious scholars would stop making such flippant remarks! :-) > > Best wishes, > V.S. Rajam > (www.letsgrammar.org) > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: > >> Dear Corinna Wessels-Mevissen, >> >> can you explain more in details >> why you are sceptical with the decipherment >> "va-y(a)-ra". >> >> Every comment is important, at this stage, ... >> >> Best wishes >> >> -- jlc >> >> >> >> On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical >>> "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period >>> pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been >>> known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or >>> intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, >>> but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such >>> ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen >>> scores of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) >>> Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even >>> suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into >>> the matter very closely. Actually, the original article should >>> have illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, >>> particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of >>> pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established >>> dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. >>> With best wishes, >>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> *Von:* Dipak Bhattacharya >>> *An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >>> *Gesendet:* 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 >>> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th >>> century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the >>> history of writing in India >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> My apology that this is no additional light but the most common >>> and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the >>> dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 >>> century BCE phɶnician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase >>> legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got >>> universal ac-ra"ceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and >>> open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should >>> represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible >>> signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is proved to >>> be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE >>> phɶnician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be >>> proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded >>> as intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern >>> Tamil /vayara/. I would have been glad to paste an image of the >>> same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be >>> said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the >>> inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no >>> specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre >>> evidence, I think. >>> ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? >>> starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at >>> least the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I >>> keep my fingers crossed.I wish I am proved wrong. >>> Best wishes >>> DB >>> வயர (or வய்ர). > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE Sat Oct 15 19:00:42 2011 From: corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 20:00:42 +0100 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: <1318694798.83915.YahooMailNeo@web94814.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094142.23782.187492500101183456.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into the matter very closely. Actually, the original article should have illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. With best wishes, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen ________________________________ Von: Dipak Bhattacharya An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Gesendet: 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Dear Colleagues, My apology that this is no additional light but the most common and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 century BCE ph?nician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got universal acceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. ?But unless it is proved to be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE ph?nician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern Tamil vayara. I would have been glad to paste an image of the same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre evidence, I think. ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I keep my fingers crossed.? I wish I am proved wrong. Best wishes DB ??? (or ????). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE Sat Oct 15 19:41:01 2011 From: corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 20:41:01 +0100 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094153.23782.7866713799201886531.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Respected Colleagues, I had apologized beforehand ("sorry to say...") and will do this once more. This was a general statement not immediately connected with the decipherment of "va-y(a)-ra", but drawn from my own - quite recent - experience, when a well-known archaeologist (not to name here) had even given my name in support of an - in my view - untenable new dating attempt. (In this case, Brahmi was not involved.) But please excuse me, I should better not have conflated these matters! Best wishes, Corinna ________________________________ Von: rajam An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Gesendet: 21:25 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India More than that ... Dear JLC,? The statement, "Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various attempts." needs some attention and substantiation. I wish genuine and serious scholars would stop making such flippant remarks! :-) Best wishes, V.S. Rajam (www.letsgrammar.org)? On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: Dear Corinna Wessels-Mevissen, > > >can you explain more in details >why you are sceptical with the decipherment >"va-y(a)-ra". > > >Every comment is important, at this stage, ... > > >Best wishes > > >-- jlc > > > > > > >On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: >Dear Colleagues, >>What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) >>Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into the matter very closely. Actually, the original article should have illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. >>With best wishes, >>Corinna Wessels-Mevissen >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*Von:* Dipak Bhattacharya >>*An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >>*Gesendet:* 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 >>*Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India >>Dear Colleagues, >>My apology that this is no additional light but the most common and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 century BCE phɶnician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got universal ac-ra"ceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is proved to be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE phɶnician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern Tamil /vayara/. I would have been glad to paste an image of the same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre evidence, I think. >>?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I keep my fingers crossed.I wish I am proved wrong. >>Best wishes >>DB >>வயர (or வய்ர). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Sat Oct 15 19:21:02 2011 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 21:21:02 +0200 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Message-ID: <161227094148.23782.11831855380748679904.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Corinna Wessels-Mevissen, can you explain more in details why you are sceptical with the decipherment "va-y(a)-ra". Every comment is important, at this stage, ... Best wishes -- jlc On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" we > are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves > (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th > century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One > should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough > in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the > 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without > Brahmi writing.) > Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even suspicious, > believing this kind of "news" without looking into the matter very > closely. Actually, the original article should have illustrated the > example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, > seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to > "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with > various attempts. > With best wishes, > Corinna Wessels-Mevissen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Von:* Dipak Bhattacharya > *An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > *Gesendet:* 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 > *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century > B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of > writing in India > > Dear Colleagues, > My apology that this is no additional light but the most common and > inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the dark gap > between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 century BCE > phɶnician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase legend as representing a > pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got universal ac-ra"ceptance. The > Porunthal relic too may offer and open up new problems. If the claimed > date is true it should represent an intermediate stage which cannot be > without visible signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is > proved to be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE > phɶnician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be proved. I > tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as intermediate. I > paste below the original legend and the modern Tamil /vayara/. I would > have been glad to paste an image of the same word in ancient Tamil. In > spite of my inability, it can be said with confidence that Raja Raja > Chola's va is not like the inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba > of which I have no specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from > this meagre evidence, I think. > ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? starting with > at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least the late twentieth > century. Going by previous experience I keep my fingers crossed.I wish I > am proved wrong. > Best wishes > DB > வயர (or வய்ர). From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 15 16:06:38 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 21:36:38 +0530 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094120.23782.5966703803011729885.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, My apology that this is no additional light but the most common and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 century BCE ph?nician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got universal acceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. ?But unless it is proved to be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE ph?nician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern Tamil vayara. I would have been glad to paste an image of the same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre evidence, I think. ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I keep my fingers crossed.? I wish I am proved wrong. Best wishes DB ??? (or ????). ? ________________________________ From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India The members of this list may have heard of the following news item "http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2538550.ece?homepage=true" It is often said that the "letters" found are to be deciphered as "va-ya-ra". In Tamil discussion lists they are often presented as the equivalent of ??? (or ????). One of the points which is discussed is which language this might belong to. I would be interested in comments by those who can provide additional light on this discovery, as I feel quite ignorant in these matters. Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) ******************************* 15 10 2011 * New results from the analysis of paddy grains found in the Porunthal graveyard archaeological site prove that writing systems in India were in existence in the 5th Century BC, predating the arrival of Asoka, according to history professor at the Pondicherry University and director of the excavation project at Porunthal K. Rajan. Rice paddy samples that were contained in an engraved pot found inside one of the graves were found to be from 450 BC when analysed using Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS) by the Beta Analytic Lab, USA, he said, addressing a private gathering organised by the Manarkeni journal. Earlier, paddy sample from another grave was dated at 490 BC, but many scholars were unwilling to accept evidence obtained from only one sample. The analysis of the second sample proved that Tamil-Brahmi writing existed in the 5th century BC and was not invented in the 3rd century BC as was previously believed by scholars, he said. This was also the first time anyone had discovered Tamil-Brahmi script along with rice in any archaeological site. Scholars were still debating on the exact letters that were written and its meaning, he said. Another significant discovery from the gravesite is that the paddy samples obtained in the graves in Porunthal were cultivated paddy of the Orissa Satvaika variety, he said. The Porunthal site is located 12 km South West of Palani and was discovered to have archaeological value in 2006. In 2009-2010, Mr. Rajan and his team of 80 students started excavation at the site, which was divided into two sections ? one area for habitation and one area with a graveyard. There were over 100 graves in the region, but with modernisation of the area, several graves have been destroyed and now only 30 graves are still intact, he said. In the graves that were studied, it was found that while most of the containers found in the graves were made after the person's death, there was one container that showed signs of use. The team also found a pot with around 2 kilos of rice paddy, which had been sealed in airtight containers. These graves also contained a large number of beads, which were predominantly glass. The pottery in the grave was also engraved with Tamil-Brahmi script, he said. In two of the graves, the team found over 11,000 beads, which were made from glass or paste. The beads were originally made in the Vidarbha region, indicating a trade relationship between the two regions, he said. The team had also unearthed a skeleton adorned with a necklace of beads in one of the graves, but they had not yet analysed the bones, he said. The excavation team also found pottery with a peacock design on it. In his speech at the event, editor of the Manarkeni journal D. Ravikumar expressed distress at the destruction of various archaeological sites in the Porunthal region by quarries. History scholars T. Subramaniam, K. Vijayavenugopal and Raj Gouthaman spoke. Retrieved from http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2538550.ece?homepage=true Copyright & Thanks to The Hindu Update 15 10 2011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 15 16:39:04 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 22:09:04 +0530 Subject: Truncated message Message-ID: <161227094134.23782.4821011700253012453.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The message was truncated. The attachment might do. DB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: porunthalimage.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 520060 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcoleman at COLORADOCOLLEGE.EDU Sat Oct 15 22:53:07 2011 From: tcoleman at COLORADOCOLLEGE.EDU (Tracy Coleman) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 11 22:53:07 +0000 Subject: Indian Astrology Bibliography Message-ID: <161227094162.23782.16797234798738179193.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Indologists-- Below is a (rough) bibliography that my student compiled from all your suggestions long ago! Thanks to many who responded, and to some (including Tim C. and Amy A.) who sent lengthy lists. This is not in perfect bibliographic form, and references are listed as they were given, so I can't guarantee that everything is accurate. --Tracy Coleman, Colorado College BIBLIOGRAPHY HINDU ASTROLOGY 1) Hart Defouw and Robert Svoboda. Light on life: an introduction to the astrology of India. (New Delhi: Penguin Books, 1996). 2) Evans, Robert. "The Glance of Sani: Aspects of the Cult of Sanaiscara in Bengal." Paper presented at the Bengal Studies Conference, Oakland University, 22 June 1980. 3) Friedman, Barry Steven. Negotiating Destiny: The Astrologer and his Art in Bengali Cultural History. Ph.D. dissertation, Univ. of Chicago, June, 1986. 4) C.J. Fuller. The Camphor Flame: Popular Hinduism and Society in India, Princeton 1992. 5) Gansten, Martin. Primary Directions: Astrology's Old Master Technique. The Wessex Astrologer Ltd, 2009. 6) Gansten, Martin. Patterns of Destiny: Hindu Nadi Astrology (Lund Studies in History of Religions) Publisher: Almquiest & Wiksell Intl 2003. 7) Inden, Ronald B. "Kings and Omens." Journal of Developing Societies 1 (1985), pp. 30-40. 8) N.P. Subramania Iyer. Kalaprakasika, Madras 1991. 9) Karin Kapadia: Siva and Her Sisters: Gender, Caste, and Class in Rural South India, Boulder 1995. 10) Kar, Kalyan. "The Stars in Our Lives." The Economic Times (Calcutta), 11 September 1983, Sunday Magazine, p. 6. 11) Kaye, G. R. "Hindu Astronomical Deities." Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, n.s. 16 (1920), pp. 57-75. 12) Kemper, Steven. "Sinhalese Astrology, South Asian Caste Systems, and the Notion of Individuality." Journal of Asian Studies 38 (May 1979), pp. 477-497. 13) Knipe, David M.: Softening the cruelty of God: In: FS V. N. Rao 1995, S. pp. 206-248. 14) Krishan, Y.: The astronomical revolution in India about A.D. 400 and its implications. In: Vishveshvaranand indological journal 15, 2 (Sept.1977), S. 265-284. 15) Krishnamurthi, K. R. Indian astronomers / K.R. Krishnamurthi; gen. ed., N. Mahalingam. Madras: International Society for the Investigation of Ancient Civilizations, 1991. 16) Kuepferle, Paul. FILM: "An Appointment with the Astrologer," available through the Wisconsin South Asia Center. 17) Lishk, Sajjan Singh; Sharma, S. D.: Season determination through the science of sciatherics in Jaina school of astronomy. Indian Journal of History of Science 12, 1 (May 1977), S. 33-44. 18) Markel, Stephen. 1995. Origins of the Indian Planetary Deities. Lewsiton: The Edwin Mellen Press. 19) McGee, Mary and Gary Tubb, "Mirror of the sky?: Almanacs and the study of Hindu religion." RSR 13 (1987): 10-17. 20) Minkowski, Christopher Z.: The Pandit as Public Intellectual In: The Pandit. Traditional Scholarship in India. Edited by Axel Michaels. New Delhi 2001 S. 79-96 21) Minkowski, Christopher: Astronomers and their Reasons In: Journal of Indian Philosophy 30 S. 495-514. 22) Mitra, Debala. "A Study of Some Graha-Images of India and Their Possible Bearing on the Nava-Devas of Cambodia." Journal of the Asiatic Society 7 (1965), pp. 13-37. 23) Narlikar, J. V.: Four questions that history might answer. In: Science, philosophy and culture 1 (1996), S. 178-184. 24) Ojha, Gopesh Kumar. Predictive Astrology of the Hindus. Bombay: D.B. Taraporevala Sons & Co., 1977. [Reprint: Asia Book Corp of Amer (June 1988). 25) Ojha, Gopesh Kumar: Why jyotisha is a vedanga. In: FS Chandrasekhara 1990, S. pp. 147-154. [Mahamahopadhyaya Samanta Chandrasekhara commemoration volume] 26) Padhye, K. A. "The Anthropological Aspect of Astrology among the Hindus." Journal of the Anthropological Society of Bombay 15 (1940), pp. 631-641. 27) Parpola, Asko: Astral proper names in India: In: Adyar Library Bulletin 53 (1989), S. 1-53. 28) Perinbanayagam, R. S. The Karmic Theater: Self, Society, and Astrology in Jaffna. University of Massachusetts Press, 1982. 29) Peterson, Indira Viswanathan. "Science in the Tanquebar Mission Curriculum: Natural Theology and Indian Responses." In: Michael Bergunder (ed.), Missionsberichte aus Indien im 18. Jahrhundert, Halle (1999), pp. 175-219. 30) Pingree, David. "Astronomy and Astrology in India and Iran." ISIS 54 (June 1963), pp. 229-246. 31) Pingree, David. "History of Mathematical Astronomy in India." In: C. Gillespie (ed.), Dictionary of Scientific Biography, Vol. 15, New York, 1977, pp. 533-633. 32) Pingree, David. "Hellenophilia versus the History of Science." ISIS 83 (1992), pp. 554-563. 33) Pingree, David. "Mesopatamian and Greek Astronomy in India." In: Karin Preisendanz (ed.), Expanding and Merging Horizons: Contributions to South Asian and Cross-Cultural Studies in Commemoration of Wilhelm Halbfass, Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, 2007, pp. 41-50. 34) Pingree, David. Jyoti???stra: astral and mathematical literature. History of Indian Literature series. 35) Pingree, David. "The Yavanajataka of Sphujidhvaja", Harvard Oriental Series, 1978. 36) Plofker, Kim. Mathematics in India. Princeton University Press, 2008. 37) Pugh, Judy F. "Person and Experience: The Astrological System of North India." Ph.D. dissertation, University of Chicago, 1980 38) Pugh, Judy F. "Astrological Counseling in Contemporary India." Culture, Medicine, and Psychiatry 7 (September 1983), pp. 279-299. 39) Judy F. Pugh, "Into the Almanac: Time, Meaning and Action in North Indian Society" CIS 17 (1983), 27-49. 40) Pugh, Judy F. "Concepts of Person and Situation in North Indian Counseling." Contributions to Asian Studies 18 (1984), pp. 85-105. 41) Pugh, Judy F. "Astrology and Fate: Hindu and Muslim Experiences " In Karma: An Anthropological Inquiry. Ed. by Charles F. Keyes and E. Valentine Daniel. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1983, pp. 131-146. 42) Pugh, Judy F. ?Celestial destiny: popular art and personal crisis? India International Centre Quarterly (New Delhi) 13, no.1 (Mar 1986) 54-69. 43) Bangalore Venkata Raman. Prasna Tantra, Bangalore 1984. 44) Razaullah Ansari, S. M.: The establishment of observatories and the socio-economic conditions of scientific work in nineteenth century India. In: Indian Journal of History of Science 13, 1 (May 1978), S. 62-71. 45) Roebuck, Valerie J. The Circle of Stars: An Introduction to Indian Astrology (Paperback) Element Books (March 1992, pp. 178). 46) Edward C. Sachau: Alberuni's India, Delhi 1964 [1888]. 47) Rangachari Santhanam. Horasara, Delhi 1995. 48) Sarma, Sreeramula Rajeswara. "Sanskrit as Vehicle for Modern Science: Lancelot Wilkinson's Efforts in the 1830's" Studies in History of Medicine and Science 14 (N.S.) (1995-1996b), pp. 189-199. 49) Sircar, D. C. "The Astrologer at the Village and the Court." Indian Historical Quarterly 28 (Dec. 1952), pp. 342-349. 50) Sivapriyananda, Swami. Astrology and religion in Indian art. New Delhi: Abhinav Publications, 1990. [148 p.: ill.; 25 cm.] 51) Sullivan, Lawrence E. "Astral Myths Rise Again: Interpreting Religious Astronomy." Criterion 22 (Winter, 1983), pp. 12-17. 52) Sundaramoorthy, G.: The contribution of the cult of sacrifice to the development of Indian astronomy. In: Indian Journal of History of Science 9, 1 (May 1974), S. 100-106. 53) B. Suryanarain Rao. Stri Jataka or Female Horoscopy, Bangalore 1984. 54) Giuseppe Tucci: 'A Visit to an "Astronomical" Temple in India.' Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (1929). 55) T?rstig, Hans-Georg. Jyotisa: Das System Der Indischen Astrologie. Wiesbaden: Franz Steiner, 1980. 56) Vogel, Claus. The Propitiation of the Planets in Indian Ritual and Allied Literature with Special Reference to Colours and Flowers" In: Konrad Klaus & Jens-Uwe Hartmann (eds): "Indica et Tibetica. Festschrift f?r Michael Hahn, zum 65. Geburtstag von Freunden und Sch?lern ?berreicht" (2007), pp. 587-606. 57) Yano, Michio: Knowledge of astronomy in Sanskrit texts of architecture. Indo-Iranian Journal 29, 1(Jan.1986), S. 17-29. 58) Yano, Michio. Calendar, Astrology, and Astronomy (ch. 18) In: The Blackwell Companion to Hinduism, ed. G. Flood, pp. 376-392. Blackwell Publishing, 2003 (paperback, 2005)] 59) Young, Richard Fox. "Receding from Antiquity: Hindu Responses to Science and Christianity on the Margins of Empire, 1800-1850." In: Robert E. Frykenberg (ed.), Christians and Missionarie in India: Cross-Cultural Communications since 1500 (2002), Grand Rapids, MI, pp. 183-222. 60) Young, Richard Fox. "Receding from Antiquity (II): Somanath Vyas and the Failure of the Second Sanskritization of Science in Malwa, ca. 1850." In: Karin Preisendanz (ed.), Expanding and Merging Horizons: Contributions to South Asian and Cross-Cultural Studies in Commemoration of Wilhelm Halbfass, Wien: Verlag der Osterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, 2007, pp. 83-98. From fritsstaal at BERKELEY.EDU Sun Oct 16 15:19:53 2011 From: fritsstaal at BERKELEY.EDU (Frits STAAL) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 08:19:53 -0700 Subject: WWW.STANLEYGIBBONS.COM SALE NO.24: CLOSING DATE 16TH NOVEMBER 2011 Message-ID: <161227094186.23782.4463256794155663854.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> SALE 224 NUMBER 2032 KELANTAN 1928-35 SULTAN ISMAIL PERF.14, #1 BLUE, VERY FRESH, LARGE PART OG (SG 39A) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sun Oct 16 03:08:29 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 08:38:29 +0530 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094166.23782.17109585560232134385.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dr. Chevillard, I submit this with hesitation and prior apology because I am no expert on ancient Tamil scripts. But in the few specimens I have (like A.H.Dani Oxford 1963 whose 'plates' are printed on horribly poor quality papers, V.Kannaiyan and a few like material) the early Tamil va is not a diamond . It may be a sharp triangle or triangle with round edge and an antenna. Do we have evidence to identify the initial sign as a va? Best DB ________________________________ From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Sunday, 16 October 2011 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Dear Corinna Wessels-Mevissen, can you explain more in details why you are sceptical with the decipherment "va-y(a)-ra". Every comment is important, at this stage, ... Best wishes -- jlc On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) > Sorry to say this, but I would be always very careful, even suspicious, believing this kind of "news" without looking into the matter very closely. Actually, the original article should have illustrated the example for everyone to see. Archaeologists, particularly in Tamilnadu, seem to be under a constant kind of pressure (or is it a mindset?) to "push back" so far established dates. They regularly come up with various attempts. > With best wishes, > Corinna Wessels-Mevissen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Von:* Dipak Bhattacharya > *An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > *Gesendet:* 18:06 Samstag, 15.Oktober 2011 > *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India > > Dear Colleagues, > My apology that this is no additional light but the most common and inevitable queries. Will the Porunthal discovery shorten the dark gap between Asokan Brahmi and its supposed origin in the 800 century BCE ph?nician script? The claim of the Piprawa vase legend as representing a pre-Asokan stage of Brahmi has not got universal ac-ra"ceptance. The Porunthal relic too may offer and open up new problems. If the claimed date is true it should represent an intermediate stage which cannot be without visible signs. Apparently it is ancient Tamil. But unless it is proved to be intermediate between Asokan Brahmi and the 800 century BCE ph?nician script, the mostly accepted theory shall not be proved. I tried but could not be sure that it could be regarded as intermediate. I paste below the original legend and the modern Tamil /vayara/. I would have been glad to paste an image of the same word in ancient Tamil. In spite of my inability, it can be said with confidence that Raja Raja Chola's va is not like the inital diamond. I have no idea about RRC's ba of which I have no specimen. The basic problem may be attempted from this meagre evidence, I think. > ?Evidences? and views on pre-Asokan Brahmi are a legion ? starting with at least K.P. Jayaswal and stretching up to at least the late twentieth century. Going by previous experience I keep my fingers crossed.I wish I am proved wrong. > Best wishes > DB > ??? (or ????). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at UW.EDU.PL Sun Oct 16 07:09:07 2011 From: karp at UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 09:09:07 +0200 Subject: Porunthal dating In-Reply-To: <1318745944.41198.YahooMailNeo@web94802.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094173.23782.16826163811943327188.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Prof. Bhattacharya, While sharing your concerns, I'd like to ask you whether you'd want me to translate the quoted fragment from Dutch to Polish. Cheers, Artur Karp Poland From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sun Oct 16 06:19:04 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 11:49:04 +0530 Subject: Porunthal dating Message-ID: <161227094170.23782.6976150912023185931.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk ? 16 10 11 Dear Colleagues, Regarding the debate generated on dating I strongly disapprove of chauvinism but cannot deny the xiatence of animosity between Western and Indian Indologists as an unwelcome and unfortunate reality. Indian Indology began with Raja Ram Mohan Roy but gained visibility in the West later. In the early twentieth century and in the heyday of the nationalist movement one read the frequent admonition of the ?misplaced patriotism? of Indian Indologists. ?Such admonition continued throughout the century and after. The following is from Mare 31, Leids Universitair Weekbald, 23 mei, 2002, Pagina 11, Column 4, Paragraph 2: ? Het politike klimaat in India stimuleert geen kritische houding in de wetenschap die de eigen cultuur bestudeert. Zodra een westerse wetenschapper beweert dat iets misschien toch welhondered jaar ouder is dan gedacht werd, dan wordt dat gelijk geciteerd. Maar als je zegt dat iets duizend jaar minder oud is, dan wordt je gelijk verketterd, en wordt je ontdekking genegeend.? Apparently the speaker has not heard of S. K. Chatterji, B. M. Barua, H. C. Raychaudhuri, R. C. Majumdar, B. K. Ghosh, R. G. Bhandarkar and scores of other Indologists who tried to be accurate about the date and/or authenticity of texts. The speaker also misses the universality of the phenomenon. The Piltdown man was a ?westers? affair. I also remember (I shall have to find out the exact reference) Keith?s strong disapproval of any attempt to place Homer after 800 BC. Can?t we get rid of such heedless attitude/pronouncements? Best DB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Sun Oct 16 09:49:27 2011 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 11:49:27 +0200 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Message-ID: <161227094177.23782.4616769520800243078.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Corinna, are you perhaps referring to the kind of "signs" which are discussed by K.Rajan in a 2001 article (in a volume edited by ye.cupparAyalu and Ce. irAvu) The title of the article is "paNTai kuRiyITukaLum eZuttukkaLum" (ancient signs/symbols and letters) I attach it as a scanned PDF (it seems to fall within fair use, because the volume is difficult to find) Since, obviously, K.Rajan knows the difference between symbols and letters, I wonder why he decided in this case (in Porunthal) that we have "letters" and not "symbols" (or potters' marks). Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" we > are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves > (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th > century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One > should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough > in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the > 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without > Brahmi writing.) [.....] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: K_Rajan2001.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 324850 bytes Desc: not available URL: From corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE Sun Oct 16 11:08:54 2011 From: corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 12:08:54 +0100 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094182.23782.1251147548687562069.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Jean-Luc, Thank you very much (I had already replied to you offlist), I shall go through this publication. Of course, I am greatly looking forward to know the argument of the eminent archaeologist Prof. K. Rajan in favour of distinguishing this particular piece of evidence from so-called "potter's marks" (which is not a very suitable term since we do not know whether it was really the potter who has applied them). Best wishes, Corinna ________________________________ Von: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Gesendet: 11:49 Sonntag, 16.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Dear Corinna, are you perhaps referring to the kind of "signs" which are discussed by K.Rajan in a 2001 article (in a volume edited by ye.cupparAyalu and Ce. irAvu) The title of the article is "paNTai kuRiyITukaLum eZuttukkaLum" (ancient signs/symbols and letters) I attach it as a scanned PDF (it seems to fall within fair use, because the volume is difficult to find) Since, obviously, K.Rajan knows the difference between symbols and letters, I wonder why he decided in this case (in Porunthal) that we have "letters" and not "symbols" (or potters' marks). Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without Brahmi writing.) [.....] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Sun Oct 16 16:34:59 2011 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 18:34:59 +0200 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India Message-ID: <161227094189.23782.826108506486397658.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Corinna, you might be interested in seeing what the newspaper wrote in june 2009, when the discovery was made. If you examine what K.Rajan said to the newspapers 2 years ago (in june 2009), "http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/28/stories/2009062854701600.htm" you can see that at the time, he thought that the grave was dated much later. You can read in The Hindu what he wrote at the time K. Rajan, Head of the Department of History, Pondicherry University, who directed the excavation, about 12 km from Palani in Tamil Nadu, called the discovery of Tamil-Brahmi script ?very important? because it had been found in a remote village and goes to show that literacy had spread to even far-flung villages during the early Christian era. On palaeographical grounds, the script could be dated between the first century B.C. and the first century A.D., he said. Regarding the nature of the artefact, it was written in the same article that: Opinion is, however, divided on whether the three letters are in Tamil-Brahmi or they are graffiti marks. Dr. Rajan quoted Y. Subbarayalu, Head of the Department of Indology, the French Institute of Pondicherry, and epigraphist S. Rajagopal as saying they were graffiti marks. However, V. Vedachalam, retired senior epigraphist, Tamil Nadu Archaeology Department, and S. Rajavelu, senior epigraphist, Archaeological Survey of India, agreed with Mr. Mahadevan that it was Tamil-Brahmi. Dr. Vedachalam said the symbol of the bead had been found on every pot found in the cist-burial. See also some comments on INDOLOGY at that time See for instance: "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0906&L=indology&D=1&O=D&F=P&P=11690" "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0906&L=indology&D=1&O=D&F=P&P=11790" "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0906&L=indology&D=0&F=P&O=D&P=13101" One of the things which seems clear is that K.Rajan was taken by surprise by the dating (in the 5th century BC). Cheers -- Jean-Luc On 16/10/2011 16:38, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: > Dear Jean-Luc, > > Thank you very much (I had already replied to you offlist), I shall go > through this publication. > > Of course, I am greatly looking forward to know the argument of the > eminent archaeologist Prof. K. Rajan in favour of distinguishing this > particular piece of evidence from so-called "potter's marks" (which is > not a very suitable term since we do not know whether it was really the > potter who has applied them). > > Best wishes, > Corinna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Von:* Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD > *An:* INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > *Gesendet:* 11:49 Sonntag, 16.Oktober 2011 > *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century > B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of > writing in India > > Dear Corinna, > > are you perhaps referring to the kind of "signs" > which are discussed by K.Rajan in a 2001 article > (in a volume edited by ye.cupparAyalu and Ce. irAvu) > > The title of the article is > "paNTai kuRiyITukaLum eZuttukkaLum" > (ancient signs/symbols and letters) > > I attach it as a scanned PDF > (it seems to fall within fair use, > because the volume is difficult to find) > > Since, obviously, > K.Rajan knows the difference > between symbols and letters, > I wonder why he decided in this case (in Porunthal) > that we have "letters" and not "symbols" (or potters' marks). > > Best wishes > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) > > > > On 16/10/2011 00:30, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen wrote: >> Dear Colleagues, >> What I have seen in the circulated picture is just typical "graffiti" > we are getting on Iron Age to Early Historical Period pottery in graves > (urn burial and/or "Megalithic"). It has been known since the 19th > century. Sometimes it comes like a "code" or intentional sequence. One > should, of course, analyse it further, but I fail to see a breakthrough > in this one. (I had studied such ceramics for my M.A. thesis back in the > 80ies and have seen scores of the typical pottery items, all without > Brahmi writing.) > [.....] > > From corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE Sun Oct 16 17:55:51 2011 From: corinnawessels at YAHOO.DE (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 18:55:51 +0100 Subject: Porunthal: dating of paddy in the 5th century B.C. and possible consequences on the evaluation of the history of writing in India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094196.23782.17622113364366547307.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Jean-Luc, Thank you, and also Val?rie, for making available this information. (Regarding the postings, 2009 falls in the gap when I was not on the Indology list.) I am glad that the 'Hindu' article of 2009 refers to a discussion amongst specialists regarding the interpretation of the signs. This is the right approach. Everyone should also bear in mind that scientific dating is not sacrosanct and that there could be many possible sources of error (contamination of the material, measuring fault, etc.). While looking into the general topic in the internet, I found mention of an interesting piece of Brahmi with an admixture of graffiti marks, which is really remarkable, as it points to a transition between both "systems": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tissamaharama_Tamil_Brahmi_inscription For a photograph see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brahmi_potsherd_Tissamaharama.jpeg The sherd is reported to be missing in the meantime. I know the excavator and shall get in touch with him. I was pondering about the matter during the whole day and it occurred to me that the graver the consequences of a discovery, the more reliable the interpretation of a certain fact should be. A sudden pushing back of a date (or, for that matter, an alleged predating) should not lead to a neglect of the discussion whether we are dealing with Tamil Brahmi or just graffiti marks accidentally resembling them. Best, Corinna ________________________________ Von: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD Dear Corinna, you might be interested in seeing what the newspaper wrote in june 2009, when the discovery was made. If you examine what K.Rajan said to the newspapers 2 years ago (in june 2009), "http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/28/stories/2009062854701600.htm" you can see that at the time, he thought that the grave was dated much later. You can read in The Hindu what he wrote at the time K. Rajan, Head of the Department of History, Pondicherry University, who directed the excavation, about 12 km from Palani in Tamil Nadu, called the discovery of Tamil-Brahmi script ?very important? because it had been found in a remote village and goes to show that literacy had spread to even far-flung villages during the early Christian era. On palaeographical grounds, the script could be dated between the first century B.C. and the first century A.D., he said. Regarding the nature of the artefact, it was written in the same article that: Opinion is, however, divided on whether the three letters are in Tamil-Brahmi or they are graffiti marks. Dr. Rajan quoted Y. Subbarayalu, Head of the Department of Indology, the French Institute of Pondicherry, and epigraphist S. Rajagopal as saying they were graffiti marks. However, V. Vedachalam, retired senior epigraphist, Tamil Nadu Archaeology Department, and S. Rajavelu, senior epigraphist, Archaeological Survey of India, agreed with Mr. Mahadevan that it was Tamil-Brahmi. Dr. Vedachalam said the symbol of the bead had been found on every pot found in the cist-burial. See also some comments on INDOLOGY at that time See for instance: "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0906&L=indology&D=1&O=D&F=P&P=11690" "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0906&L=indology&D=1&O=D&F=P&P=11790" "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0906&L=indology&D=0&F=P&O=D&P=13101" One of the things which seems clear is that K.Rajan was taken by surprise by the dating (in the 5th century BC). Cheers -- Jean-Luc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at UW.EDU.PL Sun Oct 16 16:56:54 2011 From: karp at UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 11 18:56:54 +0200 Subject: WWW.STANLEYGIBBONS.COM SALE NO.24: CLOSING DATE 16TH NOVEMBER 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094192.23782.15138185664932018752.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Sorry, Prof. Staal --- What's this news about? Regards, Artur Karp Poland 2011/10/16 Frits STAAL > *auctions at stanleygibbons.co.uk* > > *Sale 224* > > *Number 2032* > > *KELANTAN 1928-35* > > *SULTAN ISMAIL* > > *PERF.14, #1 BLUE, VERY FRESH, LARGE PART og* > > *(SG 39A)* > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 17 00:59:00 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 11 06:29:00 +0530 Subject: Porunthal dating In-Reply-To: <1318745944.41198.YahooMailNeo@web94802.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094200.23782.9188365878834748890.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I'm sorry you cannot deny it. I find I can, quite easily. Best wishes to all, from Jamnagar, Dominik On 16 October 2011 11:49, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > > 16 10 11 > Dear Colleagues, > > Regarding the debate generated on dating I strongly disapprove of > chauvinism but cannot deny the xiatence of animosity between Western and > Indian Indologists as an unwelcome and unfortunate reality. Indian Indology > began with Raja Ram Mohan Roy but gained visibility in the West later. In > the early twentieth century and in the heyday of the nationalist movement > one read the frequent admonition of the ?misplaced patriotism? of Indian > Indologists. Such admonition continued throughout the century and after. > The following is from Mare 31, Leids Universitair Weekbald, 23 mei, 2002, > Pagina 11, Column 4, Paragraph 2: > ? Het politike klimaat in India stimuleert geen kritische houding in de > wetenschap die de eigen cultuur bestudeert. Zodra een westerse wetenschapper > beweert dat iets misschien toch welhondered jaar ouder is dan gedacht werd, > dan wordt dat gelijk geciteerd. Maar als je zegt dat iets duizend jaar > minder oud is, dan wordt je gelijk verketterd, en wordt je ontdekking > genegeend.? > > Apparently the speaker has not heard of S. K. Chatterji, B. M. Barua, H. C. > Raychaudhuri, R. C. Majumdar, B. K. Ghosh, R. G. Bhandarkar and scores of > other Indologists who tried to be accurate about the date and/or > authenticity of texts. The speaker also misses the universality of the > phenomenon. The Piltdown man was a ?westers? affair. I also remember (I > shall have to find out the exact reference) Keith?s strong disapproval of > any attempt to place Homer after 800 BC. > Can?t we get rid of such heedless attitude/pronouncements? > > Best > > DB > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 17 03:07:03 2011 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 11 08:37:03 +0530 Subject: Porunthal dating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094204.23782.10044337824467640416.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Mere assertions will not do. I gave evidences. More can be given. The fault is on both sides.? Best DB ________________________________ From: Dominik Wujastyk To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Porunthal dating I'm sorry you cannot deny it. I find I can, quite easily.? Best wishes to all, from Jamnagar, Dominik On 16 October 2011 11:49, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >? >16 10 11 >Dear Colleagues, > > >Regarding the debate generated on dating I strongly disapprove of chauvinism but cannot deny the xiatence of animosity between Western and Indian Indologists as an unwelcome and unfortunate reality. Indian Indology began with Raja Ram Mohan Roy but gained visibility in the West later. In the early twentieth century and in the heyday of the nationalist movement one read the frequent admonition of the ?misplaced patriotism? of Indian Indologists. ?Such admonition continued throughout the century and after. The following is from Mare 31, Leids Universitair Weekbald, 23 mei, 2002, Pagina 11, Column 4, Paragraph 2: >? Het politike klimaat in India stimuleert geen kritische houding in de wetenschap die de eigen cultuur bestudeert. Zodra een westerse wetenschapper beweert dat iets misschien toch welhondered jaar ouder is dan gedacht werd, dan wordt dat gelijk geciteerd. Maar als je zegt dat iets duizend jaar minder oud is, dan wordt je gelijk verketterd, en wordt je ontdekking genegeend.? > > > >Apparently the speaker has not heard of S. K. Chatterji, B. M. Barua, H. C. Raychaudhuri, R. C. Majumdar, B. K. Ghosh, R. G. Bhandarkar and scores of other Indologists who tried to be accurate about the date and/or authenticity of texts. The speaker also misses the universality of the phenomenon. The Piltdown man was a ?westers? affair. I also remember (I shall have to find out the exact reference) Keith?s strong disapproval of any attempt to place Homer after 800 BC. >Can?t we get rid of such heedless attitude/pronouncements? > > >Best > >DB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 18 08:52:09 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 11 14:22:09 +0530 Subject: TeX in Indological studies Message-ID: <161227094208.23782.10383808298591860091.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, A friend of mine, Kaveh Bazargan, is giving a paper at a conference tomorrow called "*Why TeX is more relevant now than ever". *He is interesting in fields outside his own of which it might be said that TeX is important, or even more important than in the past. It's my subjective impression that the use of TeX in our field has grown in recent years. Several of us have produced critical editions using TeX, in Hamburg, Groningen, and Pondichery, for example. I believe the Clay Sanskrit Library was typeset with TeX (Somdev?). I'd like to give Kaveh some sort of feeling for the growth of TeX use in Indology, if there is indeed growth. Does anyone have any comments, examples? Best, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Oct 18 18:58:39 2011 From: zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE (Robert Zydenbos) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 11 20:58:39 +0200 Subject: TeX in Indological studies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094212.23782.17758984819658080340.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Not very long ago my wife and I started our own little publishing enterprise for Indological (and related) work (www.manyaverlag.de). My translation of a modern Kannada novel (Vikshepa by Shantinath Desai) was done in (La)TeX, and we're about to bring out a study of the Jaina pilgrimage centre ?atru?jaya by a T?bingen anthropologist, also in LaTeX. Our main reasons for using LaTeX are the near total transparency of the commands you are giving the computer to carry out, the ease (or perhaps rather: trustworthiness) of using diacritics and the ease of maintaining a uniformity of formatting in large documents. I also regularly use LaTeX and ConTeXt for preparing shorter documents for use in my classes, but that's probably not the sort of use Mr Bazargan was thinking of. RZ Am 18.10.2011, 10:52 Uhr, schrieb Dominik Wujastyk : > Dear colleagues, > > A friend of mine, Kaveh Bazargan, is giving a paper at a conference tomorrow > called "*Why TeX is more relevant now than > ever". > [...] > I'd like to give Kaveh some sort of feeling for the growth of TeX use in > Indology, if there is indeed growth. Does anyone have any comments, > examples? -- Prof. Dr. Robert Zydenbos Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie Universit?t M?nchen Tel. (+49-89-) 2180-5782 Fax (+49-89-) 2180-5827 Web http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~zydenbos From slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU Thu Oct 20 19:48:44 2011 From: slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU (Lindquist, Steven) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 11 19:48:44 +0000 Subject: pub announcement Message-ID: <161227094215.23782.10387489088837076185.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> It is my pleasure to announce that Religion and Identity in South Asia and Beyond: Essays in Honor of Patrick Olivelle (New York/London: Anthem Press, 2011) is now available. I refer you to Anthem for the table of contents, etc. http://tinyurl.com/682omgy Very shortly, several other volumes in this same series, including Patrick's collected essays, will be available from Anthem. See: http://tinyurl.com/5wyk5gx My best, Steven STEVEN LINDQUIST, PH.D. DIRECTOR OF ASIAN STUDIES ASSISTANT PROFESSOR _____________ Department of Religious Studies Southern Methodist University PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275 http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui From slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU Thu Oct 20 21:09:12 2011 From: slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU (Lindquist, Steven) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 11 21:09:12 +0000 Subject: repost: pub announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094219.23782.7214032702494347170.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> To my embarrassment, I did not realize that Anthem's page did not list the individual authors. See below for TOC. Steven STEVEN LINDQUIST, PH.D. DIRECTOR OF ASIAN STUDIES ASSISTANT PROFESSOR _____________ Department of Religious Studies Southern Methodist University PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275 http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui --- Religion and Identity in South Asia and Beyond: Essays in Honor of Patrick Olivelle, ed. by Steven E. Lindquist, New York/London: Anthem Press, 2011. CONTENTS STEVEN E. LINDQUIST: Introduction: Patrick Olivelle and Indology 9 Major Publications of Patrick Olivelle 15 I. WORD, TEXT, CONTEXT TIMOTHY LUBIN: The Elusive Sn?taka 23 JARROD L. WHITAKER: Who Gets to Live Forever in Ancient India? Rethinking a??yus (?life?) in the R?gveda 41 STEVEN E. LINDQUIST: One Y?j?avalkya... Two? On the (Questionable) Historicity of a Literary Figure 69 ROBERT A. GOODDING: A Theologian in a South Indian Kingdom: The Historical Context of the J?vanmuktiviveka of Vidy?ra?ya 83 BRIAN BLACK: The Rhetoric of Secrecy in the Upani?ads 101 II. CUSTOM AND LAW ROBERT A. YELLE: Punishing Puns: Etymology as Linguistic Ideology in Hindu and British Traditions 129 DONALD R. DAVIS, JR.: Matrilineal Adoption, Inheritance Law, and Rites for the Dead among Hindus in Medieval Kerala 147 FEDERICO SQUARCINI: Punishing in Public: Imposing Moral Self-Dominance in Normative Sanskrit Sources 165 III. BUDDHISTS AND JAINS AS SELVES AND OTHERS OLIVER FREIBERGER: How the Buddha Dealt with Non-Buddhists 185 DANIEL BOUCHER: Sacrifice and Asceticism in Early Mah?y?na Buddhism 197 LISA N. OWEN: Text and Image: Identifying Ellora?s Jain Deities 225 IV. (RE)CONSIDERING GEOGRAPHICAL AND CONCEPTUAL BOUNDARIES DEVIN DEWEESE: Spiritual Practice and Corporate Identity in Medieval Sufi Communities of Iran, Central Asia, and India: The Khalvat?/?Ishq?/Sha???r? Continuum 251 JASON BEDUHN: Digesting the Sacrifices: Ritual Internalization in Jewish, Hindu, and Manichaean Traditions 301 MANU BHAGAVAN: The Hindutva Underground: Hindu Nationalism and the Indian National Congress in Late Colonial and Early Postcolonial India 321 LAURA R. BRUECK: Marking the Boundaries of a New Literary Identity: The Assertion of ?Dalit Consciousness? in Dalit Literary Criticism 347 KARLINE MCLAIN: Young ?vetaketu in America: Learning to be Hindu in the Diaspora 369 List of Contributors 391 From emstern at VERIZON.NET Fri Oct 21 08:14:04 2011 From: emstern at VERIZON.NET (Elliot M. Stern) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 11 04:14:04 -0400 Subject: J. Ph. Vogel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094228.23782.2692422348920759306.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Jean Philippe Vogel Sent from my iPhone: 267-240-8418 Elliot On Oct 21, 2011, at 2:47, Mahes Raj Pant wrote: > Dear List members > > Could you tell me the full name of J. Ph. Vogel? > > Regards. > > Yours > Mahes Raj Pant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mahesrajpant at MSN.COM Fri Oct 21 06:47:12 2011 From: mahesrajpant at MSN.COM (Mahes Raj Pant) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 11 08:47:12 +0200 Subject: J. Ph. Vogel Message-ID: <161227094225.23782.15062289296366579173.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear List members Could you tell me the full name of J. Ph. Vogel? Regards. Yours Mahes Raj Pant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 21 08:48:00 2011 From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 11 10:48:00 +0200 Subject: J. Ph. Vogel In-Reply-To: <204EBAA0-CF5F-4E53-B257-071BF7C464CD@verizon.net> Message-ID: <161227094232.23782.17448252404075486654.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A propose this question, may I bring to the attention of interested colleagues a lovely and very informative book by my colleague Gerda Theuns-de Boer which, however, may have come in below the radar: A Vision of Splendour, Indian Heritage in the Photographs of Jean Philippe Vogel, 1901- 1913 *ISBN:* 978 094 414 2745 Mapin Publishing, 2008. A summary: ** In January 1901 the Dutch Sanskritist Jean Philippe Vogel (1871 - 1958) entered the Archaeological Survey of India to direct the activities for the Panjab, Baluchistan and Ajmir Circle - later amalgated into the Panjab and United Provinces Circle. An interesting period, as the survey stood on the threshold of renewal. Jean Philippe Vogel proved by personality and scholarship the right man to assist in realizing the gradual professionalization of Indian archaeology. This book highlights Vogel?s contribution to early 20th century archaeology, including an introductory retrospect study on 19th-century Indian archaeology. It provides extensive photographic documentation, prints dating from 1870 to 1920, presented in their art- and photo-historical context. It discusses Vogel?s visionary ideas in the field of preservation and restoration, research and care for museum collections. Vogel?s diaries and letters are valuable resources that allow for an interesting conclusion on social relations within the so-called ?archaeological family?, picturing the Dutch citizen Vogel moving around in India?s colonial society, discussing his thoughts on both ?Englishmen? and ?natives?. With special references to Vogel?s explorations and excavations in Gandhara, The Punjab Hill States (Chamba), Kasia (Kusinagara), Saheth-Maheth (Sravasti) and Mathura; it also includes a chronology on Vogel?s archaeological activities. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Elliot M. Stern wrote: > Jean Philippe Vogel > > Sent from my iPhone: > 267-240-8418 > > Elliot > > > > On Oct 21, 2011, at 2:47, Mahes Raj Pant wrote: > > Dear List members > > Could you tell me the full name of J. Ph. Vogel? > > Regards. > > Yours > Mahes Raj Pant > > -- J. Silk Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 Doelensteeg 16 2311 VL Leiden The Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 21 08:48:42 2011 From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 11 10:48:42 +0200 Subject: J. Ph. Vogel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094236.23782.8369712242510231887.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> sorry, of course 'a propos'! On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote: > A propose this question, may I bring to the attention of interested > colleagues a lovely and very informative book by my colleague Gerda > Theuns-de Boer which, however, may have come in below the radar: > > A Vision of Splendour, Indian Heritage in the Photographs of Jean Philippe > Vogel, 1901- 1913 > *ISBN:* 978 094 414 2745 > Mapin Publishing, 2008. > > A summary: > ** > > In January 1901 the Dutch Sanskritist Jean Philippe Vogel (1871 - 1958) > entered the Archaeological Survey of India to direct the activities for the > Panjab, Baluchistan and Ajmir Circle - later amalgated into the Panjab and > United Provinces Circle. An interesting period, as the survey stood on the > threshold of renewal. Jean Philippe Vogel proved by personality and > scholarship the right man to assist in realizing the gradual > professionalization of Indian archaeology. > > This book highlights Vogel?s contribution to early 20th century > archaeology, including an introductory retrospect study on 19th-century > Indian archaeology. It provides extensive photographic documentation, prints > dating from 1870 to 1920, presented in their art- and photo-historical > context. It discusses Vogel?s visionary ideas in the field of preservation > and restoration, research and care for museum collections. Vogel?s diaries > and letters are valuable resources that allow for an interesting conclusion > on social relations within the so-called ?archaeological family?, picturing > the Dutch citizen Vogel moving around in India?s colonial society, > discussing his thoughts on both ?Englishmen? and ?natives?. With special > references to Vogel?s explorations and excavations in Gandhara, The Punjab > Hill States (Chamba), Kasia (Kusinagara), Saheth-Maheth (Sravasti) and > Mathura; it also includes a chronology on Vogel?s archaeological activities. > > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Elliot M. Stern wrote: > >> Jean Philippe Vogel >> >> Sent from my iPhone: >> 267-240-8418 >> >> Elliot >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2011, at 2:47, Mahes Raj Pant wrote: >> >> Dear List members >> >> Could you tell me the full name of J. Ph. Vogel? >> >> Regards. >> >> Yours >> Mahes Raj Pant >> >> > > > -- > J. Silk > Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS > Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 > Doelensteeg 16 > 2311 VL Leiden > The Netherlands > > -- J. Silk Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 Doelensteeg 16 2311 VL Leiden The Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e.ciurtin at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 21 10:18:13 2011 From: e.ciurtin at GMAIL.COM (Eugen Ciurtin) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 11 13:18:13 +0300 Subject: J. Ph. Vogel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094244.23782.15908058878336334824.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Regarding Professor Silk's helpful message, I would like to add that a wonderful lot of photos of the same and later periods of ASI are still preserved in Paris, in the Soci?t? Asiatique, within the Fonds Alfred Foucher. Some mentions, including some data on Vogel's connections with the French school of Buddhist Studies, are offered in Annick Fenet's recent publications, esp. in her *Arch?ologie militante* on Foucher, DAFA, and the exploration in Buddhist Afghanistan (M?moires de l'Acad?mie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres, 2009), or in the Proceedings of a Journ?e d'?tudes, edited by Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat and the late Jean Leclant (also Paris: AIBL/De Boccard 2009). with kind regards, Eugen 2011/10/21 Jonathan Silk > sorry, of course 'a propos'! > > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Silk wrote: > >> A propose this question, may I bring to the attention of interested >> colleagues a lovely and very informative book by my colleague Gerda >> Theuns-de Boer which, however, may have come in below the radar: >> >> A Vision of Splendour, Indian Heritage in the Photographs of Jean Philippe >> Vogel, 1901- 1913 >> *ISBN:* 978 094 414 2745 >> Mapin Publishing, 2008. >> >> A summary: >> ** >> >> In January 1901 the Dutch Sanskritist Jean Philippe Vogel (1871 - 1958) >> entered the Archaeological Survey of India to direct the activities for the >> Panjab, Baluchistan and Ajmir Circle - later amalgated into the Panjab and >> United Provinces Circle. An interesting period, as the survey stood on the >> threshold of renewal. Jean Philippe Vogel proved by personality and >> scholarship the right man to assist in realizing the gradual >> professionalization of Indian archaeology. >> >> This book highlights Vogel?s contribution to early 20th century >> archaeology, including an introductory retrospect study on 19th-century >> Indian archaeology. It provides extensive photographic documentation, prints >> dating from 1870 to 1920, presented in their art- and photo-historical >> context. It discusses Vogel?s visionary ideas in the field of preservation >> and restoration, research and care for museum collections. Vogel?s diaries >> and letters are valuable resources that allow for an interesting conclusion >> on social relations within the so-called ?archaeological family?, picturing >> the Dutch citizen Vogel moving around in India?s colonial society, >> discussing his thoughts on both ?Englishmen? and ?natives?. With special >> references to Vogel?s explorations and excavations in Gandhara, The Punjab >> Hill States (Chamba), Kasia (Kusinagara), Saheth-Maheth (Sravasti) and >> Mathura; it also includes a chronology on Vogel?s archaeological activities. >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Elliot M. Stern wrote: >> >>> Jean Philippe Vogel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone: >>> 267-240-8418 >>> >>> Elliot >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 2:47, Mahes Raj Pant wrote: >>> >>> Dear List members >>> >>> Could you tell me the full name of J. Ph. Vogel? >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Yours >>> Mahes Raj Pant >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> J. Silk >> Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden >> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS >> Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 >> Doelensteeg 16 >> 2311 VL Leiden >> The Netherlands >> >> > > > -- > J. Silk > Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS > Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 > Doelensteeg 16 > 2311 VL Leiden > The Netherlands > > -- Dr E. Ciurtin Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions www.easr.eu Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711 Phone: 00 40 733 951 953 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 21 10:07:10 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 11 15:37:10 +0530 Subject: TeX in Indological studies In-Reply-To: <39F4097C-FCD2-4961-A7F2-724405A2183F@unm.edu> Message-ID: <161227094240.23782.380483769791200469.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many thanks indeed to all of you who wrote to me about your use of TeX for indological studies. Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gvvajrac at WISC.EDU Sun Oct 23 21:16:59 2011 From: gvvajrac at WISC.EDU (Gautama Vajracharya) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 11 16:16:59 -0500 Subject: Adhara Message-ID: <161227094248.23782.3220416909703523463.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> According to Monier Williasms, _adhara-svastika_ is a compound word given the Maitrayani Samhita. But I cannot find the word in the text. I wonder if any body is familiar with this word. GV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Oct 23 21:41:53 2011 From: vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 11 17:41:53 -0400 Subject: Adhara Message-ID: <161227094252.23782.11226794357271317802.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Actually Monier-Williams simply defines adhara-svastika as "the nadir." The reference to Maitr?ya??-sa?hit? concerns the previous term: adhara-sapatna. See http://tinyurl.com/6fadbuq bottom right. I'm not familiar with the term -- perhaps someone else can help (adhara itself means low, inferior, nadir; not sure what svastika indicates here). Dan Lusthaus ----- Original Message ----- From: Gautama Vajracharya To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: [INDOLOGY] Adhara According to Monier Williasms, adhara-svastika is a compound word given the Maitrayani Samhita. But I cannot find the word in the text. I wonder if any body is familiar with this word. GV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE Mon Oct 24 07:11:58 2011 From: christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 11 09:11:58 +0200 Subject: Fwd: India: Petition against removal of essay from history syllabus Message-ID: <161227094256.23782.14815308792751541822.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > >>De : Network of Concerned Historians >><antoondebaets at concernedhistorians.org> >>Date : 22 octobre 2011 15:17:02 GMT+02:00 >>Objet : India: Petition against removal of essay from history syllabus >> >>network of concerned historians (nch) >> >>Dear colleagues, >> >>On 9 October 2011, Delhi University removed a >>celebrated scholarly essay on the Ramayanas >>from the reading list against the will of the >>history department. Historians from India ask >>us to consider signing a petition to protest >>the removal of this essay. Below you will find: >> >>* a link to the petition; >> >>* a link to the essay; >> >>* a link to two newspaper articles providing background; >> >>* the text of the petition; >> >>* an email by a colleague from Delhi summarizing the case. >> >>We hope that you can sign the petition >>immediately. Please remember to mention your >>professional affiliation and your country. >> >>With best wishes, >> >>Antoon De Baets >> >>(Network of Concerned Historians) >> >>*********** >> >>LINK TO PETITION >> >>http://www.petitiononline.com/ramanuj/petition.html >> >>LINK TO ESSAY >> >>A.K. Ramanujan, "Three Hundred Ramayanas: Five >>Examples and Three Thoughts on Translation," >>The Collected Essays of A.K. Ramanujan, ed. >>Vinay Dharwadker (Delhi: Oxford University >>Press, 1999), 131-160: >>http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40840931/AKRamanujan_ThreeHundredRamayanas.pdf >> >>LINK TO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES PROVIDING BACKGROUND >> >>* S.N. Vijetha, "Historians protest as Delhi >>University purges Ramayana essay from >>syllabus,"The Hindu (15 October 2011): >>http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2538301.ece >> >>* S.N. Vijetha, "Ramayana row: DU Council >>ignored opinion of three experts," The Hindu >>(19 October 2011): >>http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/article2550965.ece >> >>TEXT OF THE PETITION >> >>To: Vice Chancellor, University of Delhi >> >>We express our profound shock that the Delhi >>University Academic Council has decided to drop >>A.K. Ramanujan?'s highly acclaimed essay on >>many Ramayanas from the B.A. History course. >>The late Professor Ramanujan is recognized all >>over the world as one of the most eminent >>authorities on pre-modern literature and >>culture. The essay "Three Hundred Ramayanas: >>Five Examples and Three Thoughts" shows in rich >>detail how Indian culture is constituted of a >>multiplicity of traditions, how it speaks with >>many voices. It is an essay that all young >>people, not just history students, ought to >>read. To delete it from the syllabus is an act >>that is deeply disturbing, an instance of >>thought policing. Such a measure will only >>encourage sectarian groups to try and prevent >>intellectuals from expressing their ideas >>freely. The action of the Vice Chancellor and >>the Academic Council is particularly >>distressing since it overrules the majority >>opinion of the Expert Committee that was set up >>(under the direction of the Supreme Court) to >>look into the controversy. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>EMAIL SUMMARIZING THE CASE >> >>From: Anubhuti Maurya >> >>Date: 21 October 2011 14:46 >> >>Subject: Protest Letter agains the removal of >>AK Ramanujan's essay on the Ramayanas >> >>Dear all, >> >>Many of you may know that for some time now a >>controversy has been brewing in Delhi >>University around Ramanujan's essay on many >>Ramayanas. This essay was part of the readings >>in one of the B.A. history courses. Over a year >>back some Hindutva activists attacked teachers >>in the DU history department and demanded that >>the essay be removed from the reading list. The >>history department teachers, of course, refused >>to comply. The issue ended up in the Supreme >>Court which wanted the opinion of an academic >>expert committee. Three out of the four members >>of the committee stated that the essay ought to >>be read by students. Recently the Vice >>Chancellor and the Academic Council overruled >>the opinion of the history department, as well >>as the expert committee and removed the essay >>from the list of recommended readings. >> >>best, >> >>Anubhuti >> -- http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle http://belgianindology.blogs.lalibre.be/ http://www.uclouvain.be/356389.html -- Sign-up to Dropbox using the following link and get 2.25 gigabytes of storage free. http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTEwOTE3Nzg1OQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 24 19:45:06 2011 From: harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 11 15:45:06 -0400 Subject: FW: Some corrections In-Reply-To: <1319455271.81727.YahooMailNeo@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227094264.23782.127478206394409989.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Mr. Mittal~ I have made comments appropriate comments in the email jointly sent to you and us. NO= stet. leave as is OK= change as requested. Sincerely, Romi Bhatia Editor Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 04:21:11 -0700 From: pahariart at yahoo.com Subject: Some corrections To: indology at dkprintworld.com CC: harshadehejia at hotmail.com Respected Mittal Sahib, I have seen the final version of the MSS and have observed the following corrections. Page number Suggestion 8 & 16 caption on Pink border 20 in caption Sansar Chand should be Maharaja Sansar Chand NO 22 in caption Sansar Chand should be Maharaja Sansar Chand NO 23 in caption Sansar Chand should be Maharaja Sansar Chand NO 25 & 26 in caption Illustration TO [delete of] Illustration of is incorrect usage. 29 crop the border OK 34 In Hindi caption samanya ya should be yaa OK 148 Crop the border of painting from top and bottom OK 116, 118, 120, 130, 148 152 all these images should NOT be in flash cut. Please leave little white space all around and captions must be in the bottom but never on the picture, only on the while space of paper. OK Please feel free to ask for any query. With kind regards and compliments for a Happy Diwali. Yours sincerely, Vijay Sharma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Mon Oct 24 15:21:13 2011 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 11 17:21:13 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #396 Message-ID: <161227094261.23782.17354869000954575272.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Adhyardhasatika Prajnaparamita (alternative version) Kalpabuddha (Old Javanese) Rgveda (improved version) __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm From mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 24 23:21:06 2011 From: mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 11 19:21:06 -0400 Subject: M.Phil./Ph.D. possibilities [with scholarship] in the University of Kashmir, Srinagar Message-ID: <161227094269.23782.15259436448343884596.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am asked to post this notice on the "Indology" group for a wider circulation. Mrinal Kaul Admission Notice Institute of Kashmir Studies, University of Kashmir, Srinagar (Kashmir) The UNESCO Majandeet Singh Institute of Kashmir Studies, Srinagar has sixteen scholarships available, under Madanjeet Singh Scholarship (SAF) scheme for all the eight SAARC countries, for the academic session 2012?2014, divided equally between the two genders. Under the scheme, the Institute offers 15,000 rupees per month besides a suitable field grant and one time to and fro air fare from / to the place of residence of the scholar. Thrust Areas of Research International Relations (SAARC countries and the world) Economics; (Regional) Sociology (Comparative) Comparative Philosophy (Muslim, Indian and Western) Comparative Religion (Buddhism, Saivism and Islam). Literature (Regional / SAARC oriented) Geography (Regional) History (Regional) Environmental Studies ( Regional) Problems and issues concerning SAARC (and South Asia in general) Applications are accordingly invited from the desirous eligible candidates seeking admission to the M.Phil / Ph.D programme session 2012 in their respective subjects with 55% marks in the qualifying examination. However, the admission to M.Phil / Ph.D. programme in concerned discipline is subject to the availability of seats in the Institute. The candidates should approach the chairpersons of their respective countries, whose names and e-mail addresses are given below; the said chairpersons should be contacted well in time, so that the selection process is complete by 15th of November 2011. Afghanistan: Prof. Omara Khan Masoodi, Director of Kabul Museum; chairpersons at safmail.org Bangladesh: Hon? ble Dr. Kamal Hossain, former Minister of Law, Foreign Affairs, Dhaka; chairpersons at safmail.org Bhutan: Hon?ble Lyonpo Sangay Ngedup, Minister of Agriculture, Thimphu; chairpersons at safmail.org India: Mr. Mani Shankar Aiyar, M.P, New Delhi; chairpersons at safmail.org Maldives: Hon?ble Ahmed Shaheed, Foreign Minister, Mal?; chairpersons at safmail.org Nepal: Dr. Rita Thapa, Senior Advisor to the Nepal Ministry of Health, Kathmandu; Pakistan: Prof. Salima Hashmi, Dean, School of Visual Arts, BNU, Lahore; chairpersons at safmail.org Sri Lanka: Hon?ble Chandrika B. Kumaratunga, former President of Sri Lanka, Colombo. chairpersons at safmail.org Research scholars from India are selected through an All India Entrance Test held at Delhi, Jammu and Srinagar. The application forms can be obtained from the Institute on cash payment / DD of Rs: 100/- pledged in favour of Director, Institute of Kashmir Studies, as per the existing norms. The application forms along with the attested relevant documents must reach the office of the undersigned on or before 1st February, 2012. The UGC NET qualified candidates (for lectureship only) shall have to appear in entrance test. Other details could be obtained from the office of the Institute of Kashmir Studies, University of Kashmir. For any details Contact on No:-2420405 Ext.-2253, 2288, E-mail Address: kashmirstudies at gmail.com, meemhaizaffar at yahoo.co.in. Postal Address: Office of the Director, Institute of Kashmir Studies, University Campus, Hazratbal, Srinagar (Kashmir)-190006, India Prof G. M. Khawaja Professor (Research) No. F(Admission)/ IKS / KU / 11 Dated: 26-07-2011 Website: http://iks.uok.edu.in/index.php/admission-notice/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 25 11:58:33 2011 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 11 17:28:33 +0530 Subject: for museum and library curators Message-ID: <161227094273.23782.3827449394212077832.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A fabulous MS for sale in London: - http://www.samfogg.com/catalogue.php?id=83&p=2 DW (I have no affiliation or connection with Sam Fogg.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.Walser at TUFTS.EDU Tue Oct 25 18:09:30 2011 From: Joseph.Walser at TUFTS.EDU (Walser, Joseph) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 11 18:09:30 +0000 Subject: Dvadasaratra? Message-ID: <161227094276.23782.660651369681253721.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Can anyone out there point me to a good discussion of the Dvadasaratra sacrifice? Thanks. -j Joseph Walser Associate Professor Department of Religion Tufts University From wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK Wed Oct 26 15:32:56 2011 From: wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK (Whitney Cox) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 11 10:32:56 -0500 Subject: publication announcement Message-ID: <161227094279.23782.13850197128147061800.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, It gives me great pleasure to announce the appearance of South Asian Texts in History: Critical Engagements with Sheldon Pollock Edited by Yigal Bronner, Whitney Cox, and Lawrence McCrea (Asia Past & Present: New Research from AAS, Number 7). I append the table of contents below, along with a link to the front matter of the volume. Yours, Whitney Cox http://www.asian-studies.org/publications/South-Asian-Texts-TOC.pdf Acknowledgments / ix Contributors / xi Foreword / xiii Nicholas Dirks Introduction / 1 Yigal Bronner, Whitney Cox, and Lawrence McCrea PART ONE: The R?m?ya?a and Its Readers 1. A New Perspective on the Royal R?ma Cult at Vijayanagara / 25 Ajay K. Rao 2. A Text with a Thesis: The R?m?ya?a from Appayya D?k?ita?s Receptive End / 45 Yigal Bronner 3. Expert Nation: An Epic of Antiquity in the World of Modernity / 65 Robert Goldman PART TWO: K?vya: Sanskrit Literary Culture in History 4. The Prose Var?aka in the Lalitavistara / 83 Xi He 5. The Second Mah?bh?rata / 103 Sudipta Kaviraj 6. The Vernacular Cosmopolitan: Jayadeva?s G?tagovinda / 125 Jesse Ross Knutson PART THREE: The Vernacular and the Cosmopolitan 7. Insiders, Outsiders, and the Tamil Tongue / 153 Blake Wentworth 8. Saffron in the Rasam / 177 Whitney Cox 9. Hindi Literary Beginnings / 203 Allison Busch PART FOUR: ??stra: Sanskrit Systems of Knowledge in (and outside) History 10. Standards and Practices: Following, Making, and Breaking the Rules of ??stra / 229 Lawrence McCrea 11. For Whom is the ?Naturalness? of Language a Problem? Thoughts on Reframing a Buddhist-M?m??saka Debate / 245 Dan Arnold 12. The Social in Kashmiri Aesthetics: Suggesting and Speciously Savoring Rasa in ?nandavardhana and Abhinavagupta / 267 Guy Leavitt PART FIVE: Early Modernity 13. The End of the Ends of Man? / 293 Parimal G. Patil 14. The Triumph of Reason: Seventeenth- and Eighteenth-Century Sanskrit Discourse and the Application of Logic to Law / 315 Ethan Kroll 15. The ??dra in History: From Scripture to Segregation / 337 Ananya Vajpeyi 16. This Noble Science: Indo-Persian Comparative Philology, c. 1000?1800 CE / 359 Rajeev Kinra -- Dr. Whitney Cox Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H 0XG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK Wed Oct 26 19:35:27 2011 From: wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK (Whitney Cox) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 11 14:35:27 -0500 Subject: further to my earlier announcement Message-ID: <161227094284.23782.13541111692678016032.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, I neglected to include a link to the publisher for the volume I announced earlier today. https://www.asian-studies.org/publications/cart/Members.aspx?Action=ServiceDetail&productID=419 Best, Whitney -- Dr. Whitney Cox Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H 0XG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.mahoney at INDICA-ET-BUDDHICA.ORG Wed Oct 26 18:48:31 2011 From: r.mahoney at INDICA-ET-BUDDHICA.ORG (Richard MAHONEY) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 11 07:48:31 +1300 Subject: for museum and library curators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227094281.23782.1795406307444082192.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dominik, Thanks very much for your note. I'm in town so will defintiely try to pop in tomorrow. If you'd like me to secure anything for you just say ... this perhaps ;) Medical text on topical ailments http://www.samfogg.com/catalogue.php?id=31&p=1 Kind regards, Richard On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 05:28:33PM +0530, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > A fabulous MS for sale in London: > * [1]http://www.samfogg.com/catalogue.php?id=83&p=2 > > DW > (I have no affiliation or connection with Sam Fogg.) > > References > > 1. http://www.samfogg.com/catalogue.php?id=83&p=2 -- Richard MAHONEY - Indica et Buddhica Littledene, Bay Road, OXFORD 7430, NZ Tel.: +64 3 312 1699 Handheld: +64 210 640 216 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org http://indica-et-buddhica.org http://camera-antipodea.indica-et-buddhica.com From brendan.gillon at MCGILL.CA Fri Oct 28 18:34:28 2011 From: brendan.gillon at MCGILL.CA (Brendan Gillon) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 11 14:34:28 -0400 Subject: doctoral fellowship: Indian Ocean World Message-ID: <161227094287.23782.9681247716448089910.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> McGill University's Indian Ocean World Centre (http://www.indianoceanworldcentre.com/) invites applications for a doctoral fellowship for the study of the transmission of ideas either within the Indian Ocean World (i.e., any region(s) from Africa to the Middle East to South and Southeast Asia to China) or between the Indian Ocean World and other cultures, such as Arabic or Chinese. Among the possible subjects of investigation are: logic and debate, grammar, mathematics and astronomy. The successful candidate is expected to have a good reading knowledge of one or more of the relevant languages. Interested applicants should send Prof. Brendan Gillon (brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca) a two-page outline of a project proposal and a CV. The proposal must make clear how it fits with project and the subjects of investigation listed above. The successful candidate's department of affiliation will depend on his or her project and background. Possible departments of affiliation are: the Department of Philosophy (www.mcgill.ca/philosophy/), the Institute for Islamic Studies (www.mcgill.ca/islamicstudies/, the Department of East Asian Studies (http://www.mcgill.ca/eas/) and the Department of History (www.mcgill.ca/history/). The successful applicant must meet the criteria for admission to the relevant department and complete its degree requirements, but will be working under the partial or complete supervision of Prof. Gillon. The deadline for application is January 15th, 2012 and the fellowship will start in the Fall of 2013. Contact: Brendan Gillon brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca -- Brendan S. Gillon email: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca Department of Linguistics McGill University tel.: 001 514 398 4868 1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield Montreal, Quebec fax.: 001 514 398 7088 H3A 1A7 CANADA webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/