From asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI Fri Oct 1 13:01:21 2010 From: asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI (Asko Parpola) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 10 16:01:21 +0300 Subject: New volume of the Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions Message-ID: <161227090341.23782.14390057696450878882.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions (CISI) has as its purpose to make available for research, in as good photographs as possible, all available seals and inscriptions relating to the Indus Civilization, including its Early Harappan and Late Harappan phases of development. This material is fundamental for the research of the poorly understood script, language, and religion of the Indus Civilization, and a major outlet for its art. 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Telephone +358-9-635 177, Fax +358-9-635 017, e-mail: tiedekirja at tsv.fi Webstore: www.tiedekirja.fi From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 1 21:29:59 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 10 23:29:59 +0200 Subject: Google Latin translator Message-ID: <161227090343.23782.3512659482197180930.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Google has just introduced a Latin translator :-) http://translate.google.com/?sl=la&tl=en#la%7Cen DW From avandergeer at PLANET.NL Sat Oct 2 11:35:54 2010 From: avandergeer at PLANET.NL (Alexandra Vandergeer) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 10 13:35:54 +0200 Subject: Google Latin translator Message-ID: <161227090345.23782.9299838438138441936.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> It is a word-by-word translation, not based on grammer: I came, I saw, I conquered -> Veni Vidi Vici I came, I saw, and I conquered -> Veni Vidi Vici et Alexandra van der Geer ________________________________ From: Indology on behalf of Dominik Wujastyk Sent: Sat 2-10-2010 0:29 To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: [INDOLOGY] Google Latin translator Google has just introduced a Latin translator :-) http://translate.google.com/?sl=la&tl=en#la%7Cen DW From avandergeer at PLANET.NL Sat Oct 2 11:40:26 2010 From: avandergeer at PLANET.NL (Alexandra Vandergeer) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 10 13:40:26 +0200 Subject: Google Latin translator Message-ID: <161227090347.23782.12754242518817774113.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Sorry about the 'grammer', lapsus calami ________________________________ From: Indology on behalf of Alexandra Vandergeer Sent: Sat 2-10-2010 14:35 To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Latin translator It is a word-by-word translation, not based on grammer: I came, I saw, I conquered -> Veni Vidi Vici I came, I saw, and I conquered -> Veni Vidi Vici et Alexandra van der Geer From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sun Oct 3 15:08:51 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 10 17:08:51 +0200 Subject: SARIT service faulty Message-ID: <161227090349.23782.2141155209689090282.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> There is currently a fault with the SARIT.indology.info search and indexing service. We are actively investigating the problem and will announce resumed service as soon as possible. In the meantime, my apologies for the loss of service. Dr Dominik Wujastyk SARIT, INDOLOGY. From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sun Oct 3 17:36:27 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 10 19:36:27 +0200 Subject: SARIT service faulty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090352.23782.13038558117000984099.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The SARIT service has been repaired and seems to be working fine again now. Many thanks to Patrick Mc Allister, who sorted the problem out. Dominik On 3 October 2010 17:08, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > There is currently a fault with the SARIT.indology.info search and > indexing service. We are actively investigating the problem and will > announce resumed service as soon as possible. In the meantime, my apologies > for the loss of service. > > Dr Dominik Wujastyk > SARIT, INDOLOGY. > > From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 5 09:52:12 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 10 11:52:12 +0200 Subject: SARIT problems Message-ID: <161227090354.23782.5683418973538094445.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I'm afraid the problems with the SARIT.indology.info web interface have resurfaced. Our apologies. Service will be resumed as soon as possible. Dominik Wujastyk From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 5 17:44:17 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 10 19:44:17 +0200 Subject: SARIT problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090357.23782.7860799937491548952.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The problems with SARIT.indology.info now appear to be solved. Thank you for your patience. On 5 October 2010 11:52, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > I'm afraid the problems with the SARIT.indology.info web interface have > resurfaced. Our apologies. Service will be resumed as soon as possible. > > Dominik Wujastyk > From palaniappa at AOL.COM Wed Oct 6 04:23:21 2010 From: palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 10 00:23:21 -0400 Subject: The significance of "mOci" in the name mOci kIran2Ar, the Classical Tamil poet Message-ID: <161227090360.23782.598556891445488200.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Scholars, There are Classical Tamil poets whose names contain the component 'mOci' and there have been questions about the significance of 'mOci' and the social status of poets like mOci kIran2Ar. The following text in inscription ARE 97/1927-28 in Tiruppukalur shows that most probably mOci was a gotra name and mOci kIran2Ar was a brahmin. ... sabhaiyuLLiruntu [paNittAr] nArAyaNan tirukkaNNapuramuTaiyAn mOci canAttanan tirucciRRampalamuTaiyAn k[A]ciyapan kEcavan tirukkaNNapuramuTaiyAn kAppiyan2 kaNapati paRpanApan [kAciyapan nArAyaNa] paTTan pArattuvAci cEntan cuppiramaNyan?...kATan pAlAciriyan kOvalan tirukaNNapurattammAn uLLittAr paNiyAl piramANam ezutinEn ivvUr karaNattAn2 ... Regards, Palaniappan From christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE Wed Oct 6 09:50:52 2010 From: christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE (Christophe Vielle) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 10 11:50:52 +0200 Subject: Quotation from a metrical ga.napaa.tha In-Reply-To: <8CD3325560F5B2F-1160-A6A1@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <161227090363.23782.16632618564244801678.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, from which metrical ga.napaa.tha could come the following /sloka, related to Paa.nini 5.2.116 (g. vriihyaadi) and quoted with slight variant by two commentators ad Kaalidaasa's Megh. 45 : vriihi.h /sikhaa.s.takaa maalaa pataakaa varmakarma.nii [var. karmavarma.nii] | mekhalaa ba.dabaa vii.naa sa.mj?aa carma valaakayaa [var. chadmabalaakayo.h] || Thank you for your help, remembering the 1940 footnote by Renou (Durgha.tav.rtti 1/1 p. 14): "Une ?dition critique et synoptique des ga.na serait hautement d?sirable" ... Christophe Vielle -- http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle http://belgianindology.blogs.lalibre.be/ -- Sign-up to Dropbox using the following link and get 2.25 gigabytes of storage free. http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTEwOTE3Nzg1OQ From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 6 11:53:15 2010 From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 10 13:53:15 +0200 Subject: Experience with "Critical" edition of Kanjur and Tanjur Message-ID: <161227090366.23782.2476297864737425037.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> My sincere thanks to all who sent such useful advice about the Chinese editions of Kanjur and Tanjur. Unfortunately, our librarian now informs us that the editions cost 20,000 euros (I suspect that this also does not include shipping), so, well, no purchase here I'm afraid. It is however nice to know that it seems to be a useful publication. With thanks, Jonathan Silk -- J. Silk Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 Doelensteeg 16 2311 VL Leiden The Netherlands From athr at LOC.GOV Wed Oct 6 19:18:27 2010 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 10 15:18:27 -0400 Subject: "African Elites in India" - Lecture and Book Signing Message-ID: <161227090371.23782.17646579049399245679.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The African Section African and Middle Eastern Division and the Asian Division Library of Congress in conjunction with the Embassy of India Invite you to a Lecture and Book Signing Free and Open to the Public "African Elites in India" "India is the only place in the world where black African ruled over non-Africans." A new scholarly book African Elites in India edited by Kenneth X. Robbins and John McLeod tells the story of powerful Indo-Africans who were rulers, statesmen, soldiers, and builders of beautiful mosques. Dr. Robbins identified many Africans in the Deccani, Mughal, and Rajput paintings which are reproduced among the almost 350 high quality images in the book. Thursday, October 14, 2010 12 Noon - 1:00 PM African and Middle Eastern Reading Room Thomas Jefferson Building LJ-220 10 First St. S.E. Washington, D.C. 20540 (near Capital South Metro) For additional information contact: Marieta Harper (202) 707-1960 or mhar at loc.gov Please allow time to clear security Request ADA accommodations five business days in advance at (202) 707-6362 (voice/TTY) or email ADA at loc.gov From jemhouben at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 6 14:34:57 2010 From: jemhouben at GMAIL.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 10 16:34:57 +0200 Subject: colloque international en l'honneur de Charles Malamoud Message-ID: <161227090368.23782.10821603425502196225.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Friends, An international seminar "Aux abords de la clairi?re" in honor of Charles Malamoud will start in Paris on 7 October 2010. CdF site: http://www.college-de-france.fr/default/EN/all/act_eve/les_7_et_8_octobre_2010_colloq.htm EPHE site: http://www.ephe.sorbonne.fr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1763&Itemid=31 EHESS site: http://calenda.revues.org/nouvelle17446.html JH -- Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ? Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP, A la Sorbonne,45-47, rue des Ecoles, 75005 Paris -- France. JEMHouben at gmail.com From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Thu Oct 7 14:11:30 2010 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 10 16:11:30 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #378 Message-ID: <161227090374.23782.3662667192537325396.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Mammata: Kavyaprakasa __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm From annamisia at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 8 07:25:22 2010 From: annamisia at YAHOO.COM (Anna A. Slaczka) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 00:25:22 -0700 Subject: help with dates, please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090387.23782.353823528046991799.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Yes, these are bhUtasaMkhyAs. I would suggest searching in the Monier-Williams first. Many bhUtasaMkhyAs are listed there. Then look at glossaries of editions of some zilpazAstras and Agamas where the bhUtasaMkhyAs occur very frequently. See for example the Mayamata edition by Dagens and the publications of the French Institute of Indology in Pondicherry. Best, Anna Slaczka Rijksmuseum Amsterdam The Netherlands --- On Fri, 10/8/10, James Hartzell wrote: > From: James Hartzell > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] help with dates, please > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 8:01 AM > I meant to add, the official name of > this system, as far as I know, is the bhUta-saMkhyA system. > > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:18 AM, McComas Taylor wrote: > > > Dear Colleague, > > > > An excellent student of Sanskrit, Mr Aung Than of > Sydney, has asked for some help with dates: > > > > "I would like to ask you some questions if you can > help me. Some time we can find some writing for year or date > as below, where can I find the information about the numbers > used in the word form. > > sindhu bindu veda candra shAka > > bAna bAna veda candra shAka > > mahi sindhu bhuta indu shAka > > shAka = shakabdA (shAka era) > > I could guess sindhu (sapta sindhu) = 7, bindu (dot) = > 0, veda (catur veda) = 4, bhuta (panca bhuta) = 5, > > indu = candra = ? > > bAna = ? > > mahi = ?" > > > > Is there some kind person out there who can help out? > > > > Yours > > > > McComas > > > > > > > > -- > > =============================== > > Dr McComas Taylor > > Head, South Asia Program > > College of Asia and the Pacific > > The Australian National University > > ACTON ACT 0200 > > > > Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 > > Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 > > > > Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au > > http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n > > Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building > From james.hartzell at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 8 05:56:50 2010 From: james.hartzell at GMAIL.COM (James Hartzell) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 07:56:50 +0200 Subject: help with dates, please In-Reply-To: <4CAEA9BE.7040901@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <161227090380.23782.7124131031613203999.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear MComas Candra is likely = one, since there is one moon. bANa (retroflex n) probably = five, since kAma carries five arrows mahi I'm not sure of; if it's mahI (the earth) it may also = one yours James Hartzell > Dear Colleague, > > An excellent student of Sanskrit, Mr Aung Than of Sydney, has asked for some help with dates: > > "I would like to ask you some questions if you can help me. Some time we can find some writing for year or date as below, where can I find the information about the numbers used in the word form. > sindhu bindu veda candra shAka > bAna bAna veda candra shAka > mahi sindhu bhuta indu shAka > shAka = shakabdA (shAka era) > I could guess sindhu (sapta sindhu) = 7, bindu (dot) = 0, veda (catur veda) = 4, bhuta (panca bhuta) = 5, > indu = candra = ? > bAna = ? > mahi = ?" > > Is there some kind person out there who can help out? > > Yours > > McComas > > > > -- > =============================== > Dr McComas Taylor > Head, South Asia Program > College of Asia and the Pacific > The Australian National University > ACTON ACT 0200 > > Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 > Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 > > Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au > http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n > Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building From james.hartzell at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 8 06:01:04 2010 From: james.hartzell at GMAIL.COM (James Hartzell) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 08:01:04 +0200 Subject: help with dates, please In-Reply-To: <4CAEA9BE.7040901@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <161227090383.23782.14700176673539476721.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I meant to add, the official name of this system, as far as I know, is the bhUta-saMkhyA system. On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:18 AM, McComas Taylor wrote: > Dear Colleague, > > An excellent student of Sanskrit, Mr Aung Than of Sydney, has asked for some help with dates: > > "I would like to ask you some questions if you can help me. Some time we can find some writing for year or date as below, where can I find the information about the numbers used in the word form. > sindhu bindu veda candra shAka > bAna bAna veda candra shAka > mahi sindhu bhuta indu shAka > shAka = shakabdA (shAka era) > I could guess sindhu (sapta sindhu) = 7, bindu (dot) = 0, veda (catur veda) = 4, bhuta (panca bhuta) = 5, > indu = candra = ? > bAna = ? > mahi = ?" > > Is there some kind person out there who can help out? > > Yours > > McComas > > > > -- > =============================== > Dr McComas Taylor > Head, South Asia Program > College of Asia and the Pacific > The Australian National University > ACTON ACT 0200 > > Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 > Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 > > Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au > http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n > Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building From wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 07:39:18 2010 From: wc3 at SOAS.AC.UK (Whitney Cox) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 08:39:18 +0100 Subject: help with dates, please In-Reply-To: <2FE464FD-05C6-4011-B610-18965AF7643D@uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: <161227090393.23782.4881714874149245470.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> There is also a useful list of the more common bh?tasa?khy?-s in an appendix to Tome II of Renou and Filliozat's l'Inde Classique, wc On 8 October 2010 08:36, Peter Wyzlic wrote: > Am 08.10.2010 um 09:25 schrieb Anna A. Slaczka: > > > Yes, these are bhUtasaMkhyAs. > > I would suggest searching in the Monier-Williams first. Many > bhUtasaMkhyAs are listed there. Then look at glossaries of editions of some > zilpazAstras and Agamas where the bhUtasaMkhyAs occur very frequently. See > for example the Mayamata edition by Dagens and the publications of the > French Institute of Indology in Pondicherry. > > > > Another useful publication is D. C. Sircar's "Indian epigraphical glossary" > (Delhi, 1966, maybe there are later reprints). > > Hope it helps > Peter Wyzlic > > -- > Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften > Bibliothek > Universit?t Bonn > Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 > 53113 Bonn > -- Dr. Whitney Cox Department of the Languages and Cultures of South Asia, School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square London WC1H 0XG From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Fri Oct 8 07:36:19 2010 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 09:36:19 +0200 Subject: help with dates, please In-Reply-To: <78365.20132.qm@web55907.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227090390.23782.12826805668761194935.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Am 08.10.2010 um 09:25 schrieb Anna A. Slaczka: > Yes, these are bhUtasaMkhyAs. > I would suggest searching in the Monier-Williams first. Many bhUtasaMkhyAs are listed there. Then look at glossaries of editions of some zilpazAstras and Agamas where the bhUtasaMkhyAs occur very frequently. See for example the Mayamata edition by Dagens and the publications of the French Institute of Indology in Pondicherry. > Another useful publication is D. C. Sircar's "Indian epigraphical glossary" (Delhi, 1966, maybe there are later reprints). Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 53113 Bonn From franco at RZ.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE Fri Oct 8 13:12:13 2010 From: franco at RZ.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE (Eli Franco) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 15:12:13 +0200 Subject: Jayarasi In-Reply-To: <20100204080116.CJF57500@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <161227090398.23782.14098605036780753670.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Matthew, How are you? If it's not too much trouble, I would appreciate an up-date about that volume. All the best, Eli From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 8 10:19:39 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 15:49:39 +0530 Subject: help with dates, please In-Reply-To: <4CAEA9BE.7040901@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <161227090395.23782.4018225576653757845.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> In case?someone has aleady provided the answer off the list please ignore the following. indu=candra=1 bANa =5 mahi= 1 Best DB ? ? --- On Fri, 8/10/10, McComas Taylor wrote: From: McComas Taylor Subject: [INDOLOGY] help with dates, please To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Friday, 8 October, 2010, 5:18 AM Dear Colleague, An excellent student of Sanskrit, Mr Aung Than of Sydney, has asked for some help with dates: "I would like to ask you some questions if you can help me. Some time we can find some writing for year or date as below, where can I find the information about the numbers used in the word form. sindhu bindu veda candra shAka bAna bAna veda candra shAka mahi sindhu bhuta indu shAka shAka = shakabdA (shAka era) I could guess sindhu (sapta sindhu) = 7, bindu (dot) = 0, veda (catur veda) = 4, bhuta (panca bhuta) = 5, indu = candra = ? bAna = ? mahi = ?" Is there some kind person out there who can help out? Yours McComas -- =============================== Dr McComas Taylor Head, South Asia Program College of Asia and the Pacific The Australian National University ACTON ACT 0200 Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building From mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU Fri Oct 8 05:18:54 2010 From: mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 10 16:18:54 +1100 Subject: help with dates, please Message-ID: <161227090377.23782.8686897867576953038.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleague, An excellent student of Sanskrit, Mr Aung Than of Sydney, has asked for some help with dates: "I would like to ask you some questions if you can help me. Some time we can find some writing for year or date as below, where can I find the information about the numbers used in the word form. sindhu bindu veda candra shAka bAna bAna veda candra shAka mahi sindhu bhuta indu shAka shAka = shakabdA (shAka era) I could guess sindhu (sapta sindhu) = 7, bindu (dot) = 0, veda (catur veda) = 4, bhuta (panca bhuta) = 5, indu = candra = ? bAna = ? mahi = ?" Is there some kind person out there who can help out? Yours McComas -- =============================== Dr McComas Taylor Head, South Asia Program College of Asia and the Pacific The Australian National University ACTON ACT 0200 Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Sat Oct 9 09:00:45 2010 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 10 11:00:45 +0200 Subject: Sir Richard Temple's publications In-Reply-To: <646313.35720.qm@web94806.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227090404.23782.11326618147510031053.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Am 09.10.2010 um 07:58 schrieb Dipak Bhattacharya: > Does anyone have a complete list of Sir Richard Temple's (Indian Antiquary) works, particularly his papers? The information may be sent off-list, if so desired. Concerning the contents of Indian Antiquary, there are bibliographies by Sibadas Chaudhuri: Chaudhuri, Sibadas: _Descriptive Index to the Indian Antiquary, Bombay: Vol. 1 to Vol. 62, 1872-1933_. Calcutta: Firma K.L.M. Private [for] Centre for Asian Dokumentation, 1978. (Index Asia series in humanities, 9) and Chaudhuri, Sibadas: Index to the New Indian Antiquary, Bombay, 1938-1947. Calcutta: Centre for Asian Dokumentation, 1977. (Index Asia series in humanities, 8) hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 53113 Bonn From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 9 05:58:40 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 10 11:28:40 +0530 Subject: Sir Richard Temple's publications Message-ID: <161227090401.23782.14519784477699784356.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, Does anyone have a complete list of Sir Richard Temple's (Indian Antiquary)?works, particularly his papers? The information may be sent off-list, if so desired. Thanks in advance Best DB From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 9 11:10:43 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 10 16:40:43 +0530 Subject: Sir Richard Temple's publications In-Reply-To: <9FAACB44-125B-4F2C-AF62-6D84F9D6C010@uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: <161227090407.23782.17931643237445278137.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thanks! I think nothing is available online. Our library lacks Choudhury's Biblography. But I will consult at the AS, Kolkata Thanks again in any case. Best DB --- On Sat, 9/10/10, Peter Wyzlic wrote: From: Peter Wyzlic Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sir Richard Temple's publications To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 9:00 AM Am 09.10.2010 um 07:58 schrieb Dipak Bhattacharya: > Does anyone have a complete list of Sir Richard Temple's (Indian Antiquary) works, particularly his papers? The information may be sent off-list, if so desired. Concerning the contents of Indian Antiquary, there are bibliographies by Sibadas Chaudhuri: Chaudhuri, Sibadas: _Descriptive Index to the Indian Antiquary, Bombay: Vol. 1 to Vol. 62, 1872-1933_. Calcutta: Firma K.L.M. Private [for] Centre for Asian Dokumentation, 1978. (Index Asia series in humanities, 9) and Chaudhuri, Sibadas: Index to the New Indian Antiquary, Bombay, 1938-1947. Calcutta: Centre for Asian Dokumentation, 1977. (Index Asia series in humanities, 8) hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 53113 Bonn From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 9 17:42:54 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 10 19:42:54 +0200 Subject: Bhajan Lal MSS dealer Message-ID: <161227090410.23782.2180143141822359848.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Has anyone come across the bookseller and manuscript dealer Bhajan Lal, who was active in Amritsar and Bharatpur in the 1920s-1940s? He sold many manuscripts through Banarsi Das, Lecturer in Hindi at Lahore Oriental College (and colleague of Woolner), both to Lahore and to the Wellcome Library in London. Many MSS in these collections have his distinctive dealers label stuck to their covers. I would be interested to hear whether anyone else has come across this Bhajan Lal. Best, and thanks, Dominik Wujastyk From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Sun Oct 10 06:26:27 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 10 08:26:27 +0200 Subject: Bhajan Lal MSS dealer In-Reply-To: <332214.15175.qm@web94813.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227090417.23782.18332259405738803201.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Are you referring to the MSS that are today in the DAV College, Chandigarh? I am not aware of any VVRI MSS having gone back to Lahore after partition. An important collection of Sarada MSS was given (sold?) to the VVRI in the 1930s by Dr Paira Mall, who lived in Amritsar, and also bought MSS from Bhajan Lal, I believe. Dominik On 10 October 2010 07:16, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > One of the most prominent collectors/preservers at that time was the then > nascent VVRI Institute, Lahore, later shifted to Hosiarpur. They survived > the partition holocaust but, later, many mss had to be given back to the > original proprietors for whom the VVRI had preserved those. > Will this help? > DB > > --- On *Sat, 9/10/10, Dominik Wujastyk * wrote: > > > From: Dominik Wujastyk > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhajan Lal MSS dealer > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > Has anyone come across the bookseller and manuscript dealer Bhajan Lal, who > was active in Amritsar and Bharatpur in the 1920s-1940s? He sold many > manuscripts through Banarsi Das, Lecturer in Hindi at Lahore Oriental > College (and colleague of Woolner), both to Lahore and to the Wellcome > Library in London. Many MSS in these collections have his distinctive > dealers label stuck to their covers. > > I would be interested to hear whether anyone else has come across this > Bhajan Lal. > > Best, and thanks, > Dominik Wujastyk > > > From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sun Oct 10 05:16:28 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 10 10:46:28 +0530 Subject: Bhajan Lal MSS dealer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090414.23782.3133011826659140912.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> One of the most prominent collectors/preservers at that time was the then nascent VVRI Institute, Lahore, later shifted to Hosiarpur. They survived the partition holocaust but, later,?many mss had to be given back to the original proprietors for whom the VVRI had preserved those. Will this help? DB? --- On Sat, 9/10/10, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: From: Dominik Wujastyk Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhajan Lal MSS dealer To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 5:42 PM Has anyone come across the bookseller and manuscript dealer Bhajan Lal, who was active in Amritsar and Bharatpur in the 1920s-1940s?? He sold many manuscripts through Banarsi Das, Lecturer in Hindi at Lahore Oriental College (and colleague of Woolner), both to Lahore and to the Wellcome Library in London.? Many MSS in these collections have his distinctive dealers label stuck to their covers. I would be interested to hear whether anyone else has come across this Bhajan Lal. Best, and thanks, Dominik Wujastyk From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Sun Oct 10 13:51:35 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 10 19:21:35 +0530 Subject: Bhajan Lal MSS dealer Message-ID: <161227090420.23782.17293634624937846139.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: From: Dipak Bhattacharya Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Bhajan Lal MSS dealer To: "Dominik Wujastyk" Date: Sunday, 10 October, 2010, 1:50 PM Not so! One such prprietor who, as I heard,?had kept their mss with the VVRI were the Lal Chand Trust who later took them back?into their own premises at Delhi. VVRI was given?the right to use them. There was no question of anything going back to Lahore.?The entire Hindu population had crossed over to this side of Panjab. As for the said Bhajan Lal I do not know anything. DB --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: From: Dominik Wujastyk Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Bhajan Lal MSS dealer To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Sunday, 10 October, 2010, 6:26 AM Are you referring to the MSS that are today in the DAV College, Chandigarh? I am not aware of any VVRI MSS having gone back to Lahore after partition. An important collection of Sarada MSS was given (sold?) to the VVRI in the 1930s by Dr Paira Mall, who lived in Amritsar, and also bought MSS from Bhajan Lal, I believe. Dominik On 10 October 2010 07:16, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > One of the most prominent collectors/preservers at that time was the then > nascent VVRI Institute, Lahore, later shifted to Hosiarpur. They survived > the partition holocaust but, later, many mss had to be given back to the > original proprietors for whom the VVRI had preserved those. > Will this help? > DB > > --- On *Sat, 9/10/10, Dominik Wujastyk * wrote: > > > From: Dominik Wujastyk > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhajan Lal MSS dealer > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > Has anyone come across the bookseller and manuscript dealer Bhajan Lal, who > was active in Amritsar and Bharatpur in the 1920s-1940s?? He sold many > manuscripts through Banarsi Das, Lecturer in Hindi at Lahore Oriental > College (and colleague of Woolner), both to Lahore and to the Wellcome > Library in London.? Many MSS in these collections have his distinctive > dealers label stuck to their covers. > > I would be interested to hear whether anyone else has come across this > Bhajan Lal. > > Best, and thanks, > Dominik Wujastyk > > > From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 11 12:47:38 2010 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 07:47:38 -0500 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <4CB30753.5070701@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: <161227090429.23782.297631228469624664.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Some of the chapters in The Presence of Light (University of Chicago Press 2004) may be of interest. Matthew T. Kapstein Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies The University of Chicago Divinity School Directeur d'?tudes Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 11 12:01:40 2010 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (J L Brockington) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 13:01:40 +0100 Subject: DK Award for the outstanding doctoral thesis on Sanskrit (IASS) Message-ID: <161227090423.23782.3404339018680958405.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear fellow Indologists, This message is to inform you all about the timetable and conditions for the next DK award for the outstanding doctoral thesis on Sanskrit offered through the International Association of Sanskrit Studies. In the light of the date for the next World Sanskrit Conference (New Delhi, 5th-10th January 2012) having been set so much earlier in the calendar year, some adjustment to the published timetable was necessary. The IASS Board have decided that the deadline for submissions of 31st January 2012 should be retained and Ramesh K. Mittal for DK Agencies has kindly agreed to this. This means, however, that the announcement of the winner cannot be made at the WSC and will be made subsequently. I will add at the end of this message the text of the flier, which gives all the necessary terms and conditions, but let me briefly point out that it is open to doctoral students from outside South Asia only and that the thesis must have been submitted and approved during the three preceding calendars years (i.e. 2009-2011). Do encourage any eligible student that you supervise, or simply know of, to enter; the more entrants the more worthwhile the award will be -- for the winner, for the IASS and for the discipline as a whole. Feel free to forward this text to anyone interested, or I still have copies of the glossy flier produced by DK that I can send, if anyone prefers a paper copy. Yours sincerely John Brockington Professor J. L. Brockington Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies Asian Studies 7-8 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW DK award for the outstanding doctoral thesis on Sanskrit This award will be given every three years to a scholar of Sanskrit, who is based outside South Asia (India, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and the Maldives), since its purpose is to encourage scholarly study of Sanskrit beyond the subcontinent, and it will consist of DK books to the value of US$ 1000. It will be awarded on the basis of the first doctoral dissertation of a postgraduate student on a Sanskrit topic, provided that the dissertation has been accepted and the degree awarded by a university or institution of comparable status outside South Asia during the three calendar years preceding the year in which each World Sanskrit Conference (WSC) is held. The International Association of Sanskrit Studies (IASS) will form an adjudication panel of three to four members to evaluate the dissertations received and to announce its decision at the next WSC. CONDITIONS 1. Scholars interested in this award should first give notice of intention to compete and will then be required to submit one copy of their thesis, together with a photocopy of the degree document and a letter of support from their main supervisor, to the screening panel before the deadline of 31st January of the year in which the WSC will take place; in addition to the paper copy, candidates for the award should also submit the thesis in electronic form, if possible, and should send all documentation to the Secretary General of the IASS. Candidates shall also send their CVs to D.K. Agencies (P) Ltd., New Delhi for their information. 2. A Sanskrit topic is to be understood as one concerned primarily with the Sanskrit language, Sanskrit literature or the subject matter of a text or texts composed in Sanskrit. 3. The IASS will decide and announce the membership of the adjudication panel at each WSC. The adjudication panel will examine all theses so received and decide the name of the award winner before the conference. The decision of the panel shall be treated as final. The name of the award winner will be announced during the conference and a certificate issued to the winner. In the event of the panel deciding that two dissertations tie for first place, there may be a maximum of two joint award winners. The panel (either directly or through the Secretary General of the IASS) will inform D.K. Agencies (P) Ltd., New Delhi about the name and address of the award winner(s). 4. The award will be in the form of books worth US$ 1000.00 (inclusive of postage) to be selected by the awardee either from the DK website or their catalogues at the prices stated therein. The amount of the award cannot be converted or reimbursed in cash or any other form except books and the postage thereon. In the event of a tie, this amount will be divided equally among the two award winners. 5. D.K. Agencies (P) Ltd. do not take responsibility for any expenditures other than the books worth $ 1000.00 (inclusive of postage) to be made available to the award winner(s). D.K. Agencies are simply the sponsors of this award in the form of books. D.K. Agencies (P) Ltd. reserve the right to withdraw this award with effect from a subsequent conference by announcing its withdrawal during any WSC. ----------- -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From kellera at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Mon Oct 11 12:47:15 2010 From: kellera at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Agathe Keller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 14:47:15 +0200 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics Message-ID: <161227090426.23782.13501610480115341769.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear all, A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. yours, Agathe -- Agathe Keller Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 Bureau: 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A Batiment Condorcet 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS Adresse postale: Case 7093 5 rue Thomas Mann 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 Adresse de livraison : Universit? Paris 7 Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS From jwn3y at CMS.MAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU Mon Oct 11 19:04:59 2010 From: jwn3y at CMS.MAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU (John William Nemec) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 15:04:59 -0400 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <155A72C9DC894E0EBF57C028B34C25C3@uni9b34de09f1e> Message-ID: <161227090435.23782.6337400327430279477.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> We have a doctoral student at the University of Virginia who explored this theme in Tibetan Buddhism. His name is Chris Hatchell, and he may be reached at ch5bw at virginia.edu He worked with David Germano on the Ph.D., but I have not seen the thesis, yet. Cheers, John __________________________________ John Nemec, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Indian Religions and South Asian Studies Dept. of Religious Studies University of Virginia 323 Gibson Hall / 1540 Jefferson Park Avenue Charlottesville, VA 22903 (USA) nemec at virginia.edu +1-434-924-6716 From franco at RZ.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE Mon Oct 11 13:08:00 2010 From: franco at RZ.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE (Eli Franco) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 15:08:00 +0200 Subject: AW: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <4CB30753.5070701@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: <161227090432.23782.6604918187591055733.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Agathe, There is an outstanding paper (even if I say so myself) by Karin Preisendanz: "On ?tmendriyamanorthasannikar?a and the Ny?ya-Vai?e?ika Theory of Vision". Berliner Indologische Studien 4/5 (1989), 141-213. It contains much more than the title suggests, e.g., comparisons between Indian and Greek optics. Best wishes, EF -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Agathe Keller Gesendet: Montag, 11. Oktober 2010 14:47 An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics Dear all, A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. yours, Agathe -- Agathe Keller Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 Bureau: 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A Batiment Condorcet 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS Adresse postale: Case 7093 5 rue Thomas Mann 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 Adresse de livraison : Universit? Paris 7 Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS From gthomgt at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 11 21:23:05 2010 From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET (gthomgt at COMCAST.NET) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 21:23:05 +0000 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <1046938637.94920.1286831086613.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <161227090439.23782.13227732246229025913.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> As for early?Vedic, Rainer Stuhrmann's long article?may be of interest: "Capturing the Light in the Rgveda: Soma as seen botanically, pharmologically, and in the eyes of the Kavis" ?[EJVS 13.2, 2006]. Also now see Joanna Jurewicz's new book: *Fire and Cognition in the Rgveda* [Dom Wydawniczy ELIPSA. 2010], which usefully resorts to current cognitive linguistics to 'illuminate' the semantics of light, fire, and cognition in the RV.? These are two important new resources on the topic of light in the RV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agathe Keller" To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:47:15 AM Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics ??Dear all, A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. yours, Agathe -- Agathe Keller Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 Bureau: 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A Batiment Condorcet 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS Adresse postale: Case 7093 5 rue Thomas Mann 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 Adresse de livraison : Universit? Paris 7 Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS From gthomgt at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 11 22:24:28 2010 From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET (gthomgt at COMCAST.NET) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 10 22:24:28 +0000 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <1504744737.98781.1286835767836.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <161227090441.23782.1374458927618630328.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I should have pointed out that Stuhrmann's paper is in German, and?I should have signed my post.? Sorry for my?hastiness. George Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 5:23:05 PM Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics As for early?Vedic, Rainer Stuhrmann's long article?may be of interest: "Capturing the Light in the Rgveda: Soma as seen botanically, pharmologically, and in the eyes of the Kavis" ?[EJVS 13.2, 2006]. Also now see Joanna Jurewicz's new book: *Fire and Cognition in the Rgveda* [Dom Wydawniczy ELIPSA. 2010], which usefully resorts to current cognitive linguistics to 'illuminate' the semantics of light, fire, and cognition in the RV.? These are two important new resources on the topic of light in the RV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agathe Keller" To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:47:15 AM Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics ??Dear all, A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. yours, Agathe -- Agathe Keller Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 Bureau: 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A Batiment Condorcet 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS Adresse postale: Case 7093 5 rue Thomas Mann 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 Adresse de livraison : Universit? Paris 7 Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS From arlogriffiths at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 12 06:25:02 2010 From: arlogriffiths at HOTMAIL.COM (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 06:25:02 +0000 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <4CB30753.5070701@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: <161227090445.23782.4298632322653351914.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> There is a little work by Wilhelm Rau, Die Brennlinse im Alten Indien [The burning lens in ancient India] (1982) that might be useful. Arlo Griffiths, EFEO/Jakarta > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:47:15 +0200 > From: kellera at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > > Dear all, > > A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature > on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. > I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a > Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering > if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in > more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. > > yours, > > Agathe > > -- > Agathe Keller > > Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS > Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 > > 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 > > Bureau: > 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A > Batiment Condorcet > 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > 75013 PARIS > > Adresse postale: > Case 7093 > 5 rue Thomas Mann > 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 > > Adresse de livraison : > Universit? Paris 7 > Laboratoire SPHERE > UMR 7219 > B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A > 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > 75013 PARIS From arlogriffiths at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 12 06:33:00 2010 From: arlogriffiths at HOTMAIL.COM (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 06:33:00 +0000 Subject: o=?utf-8?Q?=E1=B9=83_ye_te_s_v=C4=81h=C4=81?= Message-ID: <161227090448.23782.8962550713620899688.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, There is a substantial number of (clay, metal) artefacts from ancient Java and Bali that bear, alone or with other mantric material, the words o? ye te sv?h?. These have been interpreted, convincingly it seems to me, as abbreviation for the ye dharm? formula (the Prat?tyasamutp?dag?th?). Having read Boucher's, Skilling's and some other relevant publications of the last two decades, I am starting to get the impression that this abbreviation was only used in Indonesia, not elsewhere in the Buddhist world. But perhaps some of you can correct me if this impression is wrong? References to non-Indonesian cases of this or other abbreviated forms of the formula will be much appreciated. Arlo Griffiths, EFEO/Jakarta From phmaas at ARCOR.DE Tue Oct 12 06:51:08 2010 From: phmaas at ARCOR.DE (Philipp Maas) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 08:51:08 +0200 Subject: Aw: Re: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090451.23782.1813036688306895350.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The following monograph could also be of interest: Ulrike Roesler, Licht und Leuchten im Rgveda. Untersuchungen zum Wortfeld des Leuchtens und zur Bedeutung des Lichts. Swisttal-Odendorf: Indica-et-Tibetica-Verl., 1997 (Indica et Tibetica 32). Philipp Maas ISTB, Vienna From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 12 09:20:56 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 11:20:56 +0200 Subject: Bharat Itihas Sanshodhak Mandal to digitise manuscripts Message-ID: <161227090454.23782.4631415868283195483.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Bharat-Itihas-Sanshodhak-Mandal-to-digitise-manuscripts/696174/ Posted: Tue Oct 12 2010, 05:52 hrs The Bharat Itihas Sanshodhak Mandal (BISM) has got approval from the National Manuscript Mission to digitise nearly eight lakh manuscripts in the coming year. Having completed its 100 years, the BISM is now awaiting funds to be released to undertake the mammoth task. President Pratibha Patil will attend the concluding ceremony at Balgandharva Rangmandir on Tuesday to mark the centenary year of the institute. At the function, a souvenir on 100 years of the institute will be release and historian Babasaheb Purandare will be felicitated. One-line indexing of manuscripts and digitising Sanskrit manuscipts are being done by the institute, said Dr Anuradha Kulkarni, secretary of BISM. The institute provides resources and training for historical researchers and was founded in 1910 by Indian historian V K Rajwade and Sardar KC Mehendale. The institute at present houses nearly 40,000 Sanskrit manuscripts and 1,100 miniature paintings, which will be undertaken for restoration. From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Oct 12 17:13:57 2010 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 13:13:57 -0400 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <4CB30753.5070701@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: <161227090460.23782.16417550333918242082.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I don't have any positive suggestions, but do have a negative one. Warn him against Bharadvaja Rishi, Amsu Bodhini Shastra, Bangalore: V.B. Soobbiah, 1931. (In WorldCat with OCLC numbers 557431896 and 317341229.) It purports to be an ancient work on optics lost and recovered in the twentieth century by yogic insight, and is one of several similar works published around the same time, the most notable being the Brhadvimanasastra on flying machines attributed to the same sage, whence von Daniken, et hinc illae lacrimae. I have been gradually putting together a dossier on these publications. Allen -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Agathe Keller Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:47 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics Dear all, A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. yours, Agathe -- Agathe Keller Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 Bureau: 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A Batiment Condorcet 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS Adresse postale: Case 7093 5 rue Thomas Mann 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 Adresse de livraison : Universit? Paris 7 Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Oct 12 17:15:10 2010 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 13:15:10 -0400 Subject: Bhajan Lal MSS dealer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090463.23782.15431251155788674945.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dominik, I have not heard of him, and certainly LOC has no MSS with his label, but if you or anyone has a sample of his handwriting I would appreciate a scan. It might help to identify the dealer from whom Horace Poleman bought a large collection of Indo-Aryan mss in 1941, by comparison with a card index and the titles on brown paper wrappers. Probsthain's rediscovered a cache of Indo-Aryan mss five years ago or so, along with others in other Asian languages. The Sanskrit etc. ones had a printed label on the covers which was then filled in with particulars of each ms. LOC just missed getting them with end-of-the-fiscal-year money, alas. Anyway, I can't remember whether Probsthain's name, that of an Indian dealer, or nobody's was on the labels. Did you examine these? LOC did get succeed in getting some Chinese and Persian mss from the same cache. I will ask my colleagues if these have printed labels in English on them and if so examine them and report back. Allen -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dominik Wujastyk Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:43 PM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhajan Lal MSS dealer Has anyone come across the bookseller and manuscript dealer Bhajan Lal, who was active in Amritsar and Bharatpur in the 1920s-1940s? He sold many manuscripts through Banarsi Das, Lecturer in Hindi at Lahore Oriental College (and colleague of Woolner), both to Lahore and to the Wellcome Library in London. Many MSS in these collections have his distinctive dealers label stuck to their covers. I would be interested to hear whether anyone else has come across this Bhajan Lal. Best, and thanks, Dominik Wujastyk From reimann at BERKELEY.EDU Tue Oct 12 21:17:43 2010 From: reimann at BERKELEY.EDU (Luis Gonzalez-Reimann) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 14:17:43 -0700 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <1D525027B29706438707F336D75A279F15135F2CC4@LCXCLMB03.LCDS.LOC.GOV> Message-ID: <161227090466.23782.16697109937521665352.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Allen, Please let us know when you have completed the dossier. Luis _____ on 10/12/2010 10:13 AM Thrasher, Allen wrote: > I don't have any positive suggestions, but do have a negative one. Warn him against Bharadvaja Rishi, Amsu Bodhini Shastra, Bangalore: V.B. Soobbiah, 1931. (In WorldCat with OCLC numbers 557431896 and 317341229.) It purports to be an ancient work on optics lost and recovered in the twentieth century by yogic insight, and is one of several similar works published around the same time, the most notable being the Brhadvimanasastra on flying machines attributed to the same sage, whence von Daniken, et hinc illae lacrimae. I have been gradually putting together a dossier on these publications. > > Allen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Agathe Keller > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:47 AM > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics > > Dear all, > > A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. > I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. > > yours, > > Agathe > > -- > Agathe Keller > > Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS > Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 > > 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 > > Bureau: > 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A > Batiment Condorcet > 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > 75013 PARIS > > Adresse postale: > Case 7093 > 5 rue Thomas Mann > 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 > > Adresse de livraison : > Universit? Paris 7 > Laboratoire SPHERE > UMR 7219 > B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A > 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > 75013 PARIS > From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 12 13:48:47 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 15:48:47 +0200 Subject: Bharat Itihas Sanshodhak Mandal to digitise manuscripts In-Reply-To: <79FCCAF7C75EB045B63C1FDFDB0E38B2133EFCA1C2@post> Message-ID: <161227090457.23782.12952544026616669456.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Yes, the BISM is a major repository of MSS in Pune, along with the BORI, Deccan College, Anandashram Sanstha and Vaidik Samsodhan Mandal collections. The there are smaller, departmental-level collections at the university and colleges (IGNCA's list ). And in many private households! DW On 12 October 2010 13:13, Hartmut Buescher wrote: > Dear Dominik, > > thanks for the information on project of the Bharat Itihas Sanshodhak > Mandal (BISM), > an institution, which, embarrassingly enough, I had previously only all too > vaguely > been aware of. That led me to find out, where it actually is located, hence > recognized > that the short article you sent continued below the ads as follows: > > ?With Pune Municipal Corporation also allocating Rs 15 lakh in their budget > for a new building, > Kulkarni said they are hopeful of shifting to the new building which will > give them more space to > house the manuscripts. > The institute maintains over 1,500,000 historical papers and 30,000 scripts > mainly in Marathi, Modi, > Persian, Portuguese and English, preserves over 4,000 coins, 1,000 > paintings and few sculptures and > inscriptions in their museum. The library has 27,000 books mainly in > Marathi and English.? > > Its strange that they do not seem to maintain a website, as Amit > Paranjape?s Blog > (http://tinyurl.com/33suh2m) seems to confirm. Anyway, if time allows, > I'll try to > see that place next time when passing through Pune. > By the way, when the article speaks about digitising ?nearly eight lakh > manuscripts?, what they mean, I venture to guess, is not ?manuscripts?, but > perhaps ?manuscript folios? (which still would be quite an ambitious > project). > > Best regards, > > Hartmut > (Copenhagen) > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > Fra: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] På vegne af Dominik Wujastyk > [wujastyk at GMAIL.COM] > Sendt: 12. oktober 2010 11:20 > Til: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Emne: [INDOLOGY] Bharat Itihas Sanshodhak Mandal to digitise manuscripts > > > http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Bharat-Itihas-Sanshodhak-Mandal-to-digitise-manuscripts/696174/ > > Posted: Tue Oct 12 2010, 05:52 hrs > > The Bharat Itihas Sanshodhak Mandal (BISM) has got approval from the > National Manuscript Mission to digitise nearly eight lakh manuscripts in > the > coming year. Having completed its 100 years, the BISM is now awaiting funds > to be released to undertake the mammoth task. President Pratibha Patil will > attend the concluding ceremony at Balgandharva Rangmandir on Tuesday to > mark > the centenary year of the institute. At the function, a souvenir on 100 > years of the institute will be release and historian Babasaheb Purandare > will be felicitated. > > One-line indexing of manuscripts and digitising Sanskrit manuscipts are > being done by the institute, said Dr Anuradha Kulkarni, secretary of BISM. > The institute provides resources and training for historical researchers > and > was founded in 1910 by Indian historian V K Rajwade and Sardar KC > Mehendale. > > > The institute at present houses nearly 40,000 Sanskrit manuscripts and > 1,100 > miniature paintings, which will be undertaken for restoration. > From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Oct 12 21:38:06 2010 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 10 17:38:06 -0400 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics In-Reply-To: <4CB4D077.1060100@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <161227090468.23782.1420969421544300197.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I was getting together some materials for Indo-Eurasian. It won't cover everything but when I post it there I'll also post it here. Allen -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Luis Gonzalez-Reimann Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:18 PM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics Allen, Please let us know when you have completed the dossier. Luis _____ on 10/12/2010 10:13 AM Thrasher, Allen wrote: > I don't have any positive suggestions, but do have a negative one. Warn him against Bharadvaja Rishi, Amsu Bodhini Shastra, Bangalore: V.B. Soobbiah, 1931. (In WorldCat with OCLC numbers 557431896 and 317341229.) It purports to be an ancient work on optics lost and recovered in the twentieth century by yogic insight, and is one of several similar works published around the same time, the most notable being the Brhadvimanasastra on flying machines attributed to the same sage, whence von Daniken, et hinc illae lacrimae. I have been gradually putting together a dossier on these publications. > > Allen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Agathe > Keller > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:47 AM > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics > > Dear all, > > A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. > I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. > > yours, > > Agathe > > -- > Agathe Keller > > Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS > Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 > > 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 > > Bureau: > 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A > Batiment Condorcet > 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > 75013 PARIS > > Adresse postale: > Case 7093 > 5 rue Thomas Mann > 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 > > Adresse de livraison : > Universit? Paris 7 > Laboratoire SPHERE > UMR 7219 > B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > 75013 PARIS > From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 12 22:14:03 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 10 00:14:03 +0200 Subject: Email attachments (was Re: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics) Message-ID: <161227090470.23782.9645569690238092964.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> This seems an opportune moment to raise a point that was discussed in the INDOLOGY committee a few months ago, but that we haven't yet acted upon. The committee wishes to allow attachments to postings in this forum, at least for a trial period. Times have changed, disks are bigger, and INDOLOGY's members are now selected, which should prevent giant postings from advertisers. Job postings are welcome, and no longer have to be converted to unformatted text. Images can be posted. And we can all enjoy the benefit of seeing Allen's intriguing bibliography! As of now, therefore, attachments are permitted. Dominik On 12 October 2010 23:38, Thrasher, Allen wrote: > I was getting together some materials for Indo-Eurasian. It won't cover > everything but when I post it there I'll also post it here. > > Allen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Luis > Gonzalez-Reimann > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:18 PM > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics > > Allen, > > Please let us know when you have completed the dossier. > > Luis > _____ > > on 10/12/2010 10:13 AM Thrasher, Allen wrote: > > I don't have any positive suggestions, but do have a negative one. Warn > him against Bharadvaja Rishi, Amsu Bodhini Shastra, Bangalore: V.B. > Soobbiah, 1931. (In WorldCat with OCLC numbers 557431896 and 317341229.) It > purports to be an ancient work on optics lost and recovered in the twentieth > century by yogic insight, and is one of several similar works published > around the same time, the most notable being the Brhadvimanasastra on flying > machines attributed to the same sage, whence von Daniken, et hinc illae > lacrimae. I have been gradually putting together a dossier on these > publications. > > > > Allen > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Agathe > > Keller > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:47 AM > > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Theories of light, vision or optics > > > > Dear all, > > > > A colleague historian of physics asks me for good secondary literature on > theories of light, vision or optics, in ancient and medieval India. > > I've copied for him Subbarayapa's chapter on the history of physics in a > Concise History of Science, INSA, 1971, for starters, but was wondering if > were available more recent and detailed studies on such topics in more > specific nyayavaizesika, buddhist or ayurvedic texts for example. > > > > yours, > > > > Agathe > > > > -- > > Agathe Keller > > > > Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS > > Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 > > > > 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 > > > > Bureau: > > 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A > > Batiment Condorcet > > 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > > 75013 PARIS > > > > Adresse postale: > > Case 7093 > > 5 rue Thomas Mann > > 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 > > > > Adresse de livraison : > > Universit? Paris 7 > > Laboratoire SPHERE > > UMR 7219 > > B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet > > 75013 PARIS > > > From kellera at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Wed Oct 13 12:38:24 2010 From: kellera at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Agathe Keller) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 10 14:38:24 +0200 Subject: Theories of light, vision or optics Message-ID: <161227090473.23782.4645140426175553766.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear all, thanks indeed for all references and warnings! Agathe -- Agathe Keller Universit? PARIS 7 - CNRS Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 00 33 1 57 27 68 87 Bureau: 6 ?me ?tate 688/690 A Batiment Condorcet 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS Adresse postale: Case 7093 5 rue Thomas Mann 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13 Adresse de livraison : Universit? Paris 7 Laboratoire SPHERE UMR 7219 B?timent Condorcet 3? ?tage bureau 387A 10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet 75013 PARIS From jneelis at WLU.CA Wed Oct 13 15:37:00 2010 From: jneelis at WLU.CA (Jason Neelis) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 10 16:37:00 +0100 Subject: Research position at Ruhr-Universit=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E4t?= Bochum Message-ID: <161227090476.23782.14272605333897640151.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology listmembers, Could you please make this advertisement (available online at: http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/php-bin/stellen/stellen.htm) known to potentially interested applicants. Thank you, Jason Neelis Wilfrid Laurier University The Center for Religious Studies (CERES) at Ruhr- Universitaet Bochum invites applications for a researcher position in Indology (full-time, TV-L E13, open from Dec 1, 2010, presently limited to two years) in the interdisciplinary project "Dynamics of text corpora and image programs: Representations of Buddhist narrative along the Silk Road" (funded by the Mercator Research Initiative Ruhr (MERCUR)). Based on textual and visual representations of Buddhist narratives on the various lives of the Buddha (especially avadānas and jātakas) from Gandhara, Bamiyan, Khotan, Kucha, Turfan and Dunhuang dating from the 3rd to 10th century, the project team will conduct an exemplary study on the role of the interaction of text corpora and image programs within cross-regional religious contact. The main responsiblity of the successful applicant will be the processing of relevant materials in Sanskrit, Pali and Gandhari, and the joint production of a monograph together with her/his sinological co-worker. The ability to perform academic work should be documented by a PhD / Dr. Phil degree. An Indological or equivalent education, excellent knowledge of Buddhist Sanskrit, Pali, preferably also of Gandhari, experience in dealing with manuscripts (especially from Central Asia) and interest in interdisciplinary cooperation in an international research environment are presupposed, additional knowledge of visual narratives is desirable. Applications should be sent no later than October 21, 2010 by email to joerg.plassen at rub.de. Im Rahmen der Duchf?hrung des interdisziplin?ren Projektes "Dynamiken von Textkorpora und Bildprogrammen: Repr?sentationen buddhistischer Narrative entlang der Seidenstra?e" (gef?rdert durch die Stiftung Mercator mit der Initiative Mercator Research Center Ruhr (MERCUR)) ist am Centrum f?r Religionswissenschaftliche Forschung (CERES) zum 1.12.2010 die Position einer indologischen Projektmitarbeiterin / eines indologischen Projektmitarbeiters (Vollzeit, Verg?tung nach TV-L E 13, ggw. befristet auf zwei Jahre) zu besetzen. Anhand von aus dem 3.-10. Jahrhundert datierenden textlichen und visuellen Darstellungen buddhistischer Narrative zu den verschiedenen Leben der Buddhas (vor allem avadānas und jātakas) aus Gandhāra, Bamiyan, Khotan, Kucha, Turfan und Dunhuang soll exemplarisch die Bedeutung des Zusammenwirkens von Textkorpora und Bildprogrammen im ?berregionalen Religionskontakt untersucht werden. 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From jneelis at WLU.CA Wed Oct 13 21:10:35 2010 From: jneelis at WLU.CA (Jason Neelis) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 10 17:10:35 -0400 Subject: Research position at Ruh r-Universit=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E4t?= Bochum Message-ID: <161227090478.23782.13465359796481363412.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology listmembers, The correct url for the Indology research position in Bochum is: http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/php-bin/stellen/stellen.html. The advertisement was filed 11.10.2010 under "CERES." With apologies for any confusion, Jason Neelis Wilfrid Laurier University From dominic.goodall at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 14 05:03:35 2010 From: dominic.goodall at GMAIL.COM (Dominic Goodall) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 10 10:33:35 +0530 Subject: OtuvArs and Zaiva Agamas In-Reply-To: <16F84E1E-9369-4A7A-B78B-2718E2D83B13@aol.com> Message-ID: <161227090481.23782.16929737533721015262.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Palaniappan, I don't think that scriptures of the ?aivasiddh?nta say anything about this, just as they don't typically comment on which particular caste-groups can penetrate into which bit of the temple. Statements of such a kind tend to be given only in relatively late works that claim to be based on or quoting from ?gamas. So, for instance, on p. 313 of the Kriy?s?ra (the same passage is also to be found in another sixteenth-century work which often either copies the Kriy?s?ra or has been copied from it : Appayad?k?ita?s ?iv?rcanacandrik?, on p.110) we find the positions in the temple in which different groups should place themselves : tatr?c?ryasyaiva garbhag?ha? pravi?ya sev? | itare??? br?hma??n?m ardhama??apa? pravi?ya | k?atriy???m ardhama??apadv?ramukhe ?vasth?ya | vai?y?n?? v???gre | ??dr???? v??ap???he | Immediately before that we find the following instruction: ?deva? namask?tya mastake h?daye v??jali? baddhv? yath?dhik?ra? vaidik?gamikalaukikapaur??ikadr?vi??distotrai? stuv?ta | ??having worshipped the Lord while clasping the hands to the head or the heart, one should praise him with Vedic, ?gamic, worldly, Pur??ic, Dravidian or other hymns in accordance with one?s entitlement.? One of the earliest mentions in scripture of the singing of Dravidian-language hymns as part of regular worship, may be that in the P?rva-K?mika 6.438, where it follows immediately upon the singing of hymns in Bengali and other languages (gau?abh???dyair g?nam, 6.437). There is no mention of var?a or j?ti in this context. As for the date of the P?rva-K?mika, there is reason to believe it may belong to the twelfth century, before which it is apparently not quoted. The most specific statement I can find of the type you are looking for is in verse 35 of a work attributed to R?maka??ha called the J?tinir?ayap?rvak?layaprave?avidhi, published by Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat in Journal Asiatique 263 (1975) 103?117. The claim there is that av?ntara-sacch?dras may sing ?aiva hymns in Tamil in the mah?ma??apa up to the bull. ma??ape mahatp?rve nandiparyantam antata? dr?vidai? stotrapa?alai? sacch?dr?v?ntar??| iti The claim seems to be attributed to the Sv?yambhuva and is followed by a supporting quotation attributed to the Kira?a, but like all the quotations in that small work about caste, they have not been traced, and a natural conclusion seems to me that they are fabrications of the author. (The use of the word Nandi here to refer to the bull suggests, quite apart from other factors, that this verse is not scriptural.) The ascription of a work about South Indian castes and temple life to a tenth-century Kashmirian theologian is, by the way, also not remotely credible to me. There may of course be other passages that I am not aware of, but it is clear to me in any case that the subject is not one commonly dealt with in ?aiva scriptures. Yours, with best wishes, Dominic Goodall On 30-Sep-2010, at 9:52 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote: > Dear Indologists, > > Tamil uvaccars are known as a non-brahmin caste in modern times. But medieval inscriptions show that uvaccar represented merely an occupational category and both brahmins and non-brahmins have received uvaccakkANi. I have a question in connection with a similar group involved in Zaiva temples. What do the zaiva Agamas say about the caste of those who sing the tEvAram hymns in the Zaiva temples? What are the dates of these Agamas? > > Thanks in advance > > Regards, > Palaniappan Dominic Goodall ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient, Pondich?ry From jemhouben at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 15 06:08:50 2010 From: jemhouben at GMAIL.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 10 08:08:50 +0200 Subject: article with picture re: archeology on Babri masjid site Message-ID: <161227090485.23782.10414718425066006945.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dominik, let's try, here an article with image. Jan This seems an opportune moment to raise a point that was discussed in the INDOLOGY committee a few months ago, but that we haven't yet acted upon. The committee wishes to allow attachments to postings in this forum, at least for a trial period. Times have changed, disks are bigger, and INDOLOGY's members are now selected, which should prevent giant postings from advertisers. Job postings are welcome, and no longer have to be converted to unformatted text. Images can be posted. And we can all enjoy the benefit of seeing Allen's intriguing bibliography! As of now, therefore, attachments are permitted. Dominik [image: Print] [image: Maximize] ------------------------------ TRENCH WARFARE *Writing on the WALL * Two archaeologists have had a run-in with the law for their book on the Babri masjid site *Pronoti Datta | TNN * In 1968,archaeologist Shereen Ratnagar travelled to Ashvan in Turkey to participate in an excavation.Her professor pointed to a wall and a floor and instructed the nervous young woman to identify which was older.On hindsight,the moment seems prophetic.In 2003,when Ratnagar and fellow archaeologist D Mandal surveyed the Archaeological Survey of Indias (ASI) excavation of the Babri Masjid site,one of their most significant discoveries involved the vintage of a wall and a floor. The two archaeologists spent a day examining the site in order to verify the ASI report on behalf of the Sunni Waqf Board in 2003.Four years later,they published a highly critical appraisal of the ASIs work in a book titled Ayodhya: Archaeology After Excavation.In April 2010,three years after the publication of the book,the Allahabad high court considered the authors and their publisher Tulika Books in contempt of court.The court objected to the authors,who are also witnesses in the case,expressing their opinion on a matter that was still being tried.The judges also verbally ordered the publisher to recall all unsold copies of the book.I feel there has been an injustice, says Ratnagar,a specialist in the Harappan civilisation who taught archaeology at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) for 22 years before retiring in 2000.But I respect judicial procedure and I have to be silent till the case comes to a resolution. Shes frustrated that as the case continues to hang in the balance,she cant express her views on Ayodhya as freely as her peers. It was recently reported that Sudhir Agarwal,one of the judges at the Allahabad high court,criticised some of witnesses for the Waqf Board.Ratnagar,it was said,admitted not having any experience on the field.However the archaeologist says that she has participated in excavations in India,England,Iraq and Bahrain. Before tearing into the ASI report,the book outlines the history of the dispute.Its a context that has always been politically charged,right from 1853 when records show that Hindu ascetics captured the premises of the mosque declaring that it stood on Rams birthplace.Colonial records from the mid- and late-nineteenth century,in what was perhaps a political move,support the Hindu claim that Baburs general Mir Baqi destroyed a temple to build the mosque.In 1949,the controversy flared up afresh when idols of Ram and Sita were secretly installed inside the mosque.The district magistrate insisted the idols remain and ordered the mosque shut.In 1986,Rajiv Gandhi controversially opened the locks and allowed a shilanyas on the premises of the mosque.Four years later,L K Advanis rath yatra for the construction of a temple led to the mosques demolition in 1992. Mandal and Ratnagar have criticised both the ASIs methods of working and the conclusions it has drawn.The authors have found fault with the way the ASI established the chronology of the successive periods of habitation on the site.Archaeological finds such as pieces of pottery were not classified correctly and the site itself was strewn with debris.They write that finds such as glazed tiles and animal bones were not correctly tabled.A number of verdict critics believe that the presence of bones suggests that the excavated structure was not a temple.The writers argue that the bones were part of landfills.If it was a temple,then the soil would have been sieved and the bones removed.But since there is no proof of this,the site cannot be a temple.Its also possible that the inhabitants were non-vegetarian.Yet,some people seem to be rather opposed to acknowledging this fact.This might be one of the reasons for the suppression of details in the (ASI) Report pertaining to the recovery of animal bones, Mandal and Ratnagar write. The fifty pillars bases have also been widely debated.Supporters of the temple theory believe that the bases suggest the presence of a temple.However,Vidula Jayaswal,a professor in Benares Hindu Universitys department of ancient Indian history,culture and archaeology,who reviewed Ayodhya agrees with the ASIs interpretation.Its an architectural feature of the Gupta period, she points out.Pillars were put above brick cushions. But,archaeologically one cannot prove that it was Ram Janmabhoomi.Mandal and Ratnagar assert that the pillar bases are clumps of bricks that are too feeble to support the weight of pillars and their view is widely supported by archaeologists and historians who reject the temple theory.In a review of the book,M S Mate,a former professor of archaeology at Deccan College,points out that the layout of the pillar bases are not at all conducive to temple rituals. One of the duos most important discoveries was that the floor of the purported temple was actually of the same age as the mosque,as it ran up to the face of the mosque wall.Theres also no evidence that the mosque was built on the foundations of a structure that had been destroyed.This leads the authors to vociferously conclude that the site bears evidence not of a destruction that took place in the 16th century,but of vandalism in the 20th century. ** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: print.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1171 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: maximise.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 607 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pc0060500.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 55532 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pc12c26036484c3c4c5c6c15cj1.a Type: application/octet-stream Size: 43 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jemhouben at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 15 07:17:27 2010 From: jemhouben at GMAIL.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 10 09:17:27 +0200 Subject: New Publication: Abhinavagupta's Paramarthasara and comm. of Yogaraja Message-ID: <161227090490.23782.6848724337635892276.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, A new work on Abhinavagupta's Paramarthasara, or ?Essence of Ultimate Reality?, by Lyne Bansat-Boudon appeared recently (with critically revised Sanskrit text, and first annotated English translation of both Abhinavagupta?s PAS and Yogaraja?s commentary). Contents: 1. Introduction 2. Annotated translation of PAS with comm. of Yogaraja 3. Sanskrit text 4. Glossary. See: www.routledge.com/9780415346696 NB discount: "For online ordering, please enter discount code *ITPAS10* at the checkout to receive a 20% discount", and the link for ordering is: * *http://www.routledge.com/9780415346696 Jan Houben Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ? Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP, A la Sorbonne,45-47, rue des Ecoles, 75005 Paris -- France. JEMHouben at gmail.com www.jyotistoma.nl From jemhouben at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 15 07:38:02 2010 From: jemhouben at GMAIL.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 10 09:38:02 +0200 Subject: New Publication: Abhinavagupta's Paramarthasara and comm. of Yogaraja In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090495.23782.600274027828221849.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> authors are Lyne Bansat-Boudon and Kamaleshwar Tripathi On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jan E.M. Houben wrote: > Dear All, > > A new work on Abhinavagupta's Paramarthasara, or ?Essence of Ultimate > Reality?, by Lyne Bansat-Boudon appeared recently (with critically revised > Sanskrit text, and first annotated English translation of both > Abhinavagupta?s PAS and Yogaraja?s commentary). > > Contents: > > 1. Introduction > > 2. Annotated translation of PAS with comm. of Yogaraja > > 3. Sanskrit text > > 4. Glossary. > > See: www.routledge.com/9780415346696 > > NB discount: > > "For online ordering, please enter discount code *ITPAS10* at the > checkout to receive a 20% discount", > and the link for ordering is: * *http://www.routledge.com/9780415346696 > > Jan Houben > Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, > Directeur d Etudes ? Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite ? > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, SHP, > A la Sorbonne,45-47, rue des Ecoles, > 75005 Paris -- France. > JEMHouben at gmail.com > www.jyotistoma.nl > > From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 15 12:15:43 2010 From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 10 14:15:43 +0200 Subject: Position for PhD student or Post-doc Message-ID: <161227090498.23782.3372732264378791860.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> dear Colleagues, I would appreciate your assistance in making known the following opportunity. ** Starting September 2011 the Leiden Institute for Area Studies has one full time (38 hrs) vacancy, available as a 4 year PhD position *or* 3 year Post-Doctoral fellowship, in the VICI project "Buddhism and Social Justice: Doctrine, Ideology and Discrimination in Tension," headed by Prof dr. Jonathan A. Silk. Project description Buddhism is widely perceived to be, and Buddhist sources themselves promote the tradition as, a philosophy of liberation. Yet, as perhaps everywhere, Buddhist societies, both ancient and modern, not only evidence, but indeed seem to promote, social inequalities. The project ?Buddhism and Social Justice? explores the inner tensions in Buddhist cultures between inherited core values and social realities, with specific foci on questions of labor (e.g., slavery and forced labor, serfdom) and social status (e.g., caste and discrimination). The project as originally conceived consisted of five studies: a core investigation of slavery and caste in India, and studies on slavery in Korea, burakumin (?outcastes?) in Japan, ?serfdom? and monastic economy in Tibet, and ethnicity and Buddhism in Sri Lanka. At present members of the project will study slavery and caste in India, slavery in Korea, ?serfdom? and monastic economy in Tibet, and ethnicity and Buddhism in Bhutan. These are approached through text-historical, historical and a socio-anthropological methods. The synergy between the projects lies in the question of how Buddhist ways of thinking and acting inform and structure historically Buddhist Asian societies, and how, correspondingly, Buddhist ideologies and dogmas were transformed in historical contexts. This study seeks therefore to uncover the links between the ancient and the modern and the theoretical and the real-world, thereby leading both to a deeper appreciation of how religious systems function in societies in general, and to a more nuanced appreciation of the dynamics of historically Buddhist societies in general, particularly with respect to questions of social justice. As such, the work is situated not only within the realms of Buddhist Studies and Asian History, but also at the juncture of Religious Studies, Political Science and Anthropology, as it engages issues of Church and Society, Slavery Studies, and the study of Race, Ethnicity and Caste. *The available position is for a scholar interested in investigating, from the viewpoint of Buddhist Studies, some aspect of Buddhism and Social Justice not currently covered in the project. Because the focus of the study is Buddhism, familiarity with the history, doctrine and relevant original languages of Buddhist traditions is essential*. Tasks - The writing of a PhD dissertation; - publishing research results in the form of (an) article(s) and/or books; - presenting papers at (international) conferences, including the final conference of the project; - participation in local research meetings and PhD teaching; - organizing roundtable meetings and conferences in the framework of the research project. Requirements - an MA, M.Phil or equivalent degree in a relevant field; - research knowledge of the language(s) necessary for the project; - fluency in English (spoken and written) and competence in other relevant modern languages; - ability to work independently. *Post-Doctoral Fellowship* applicants should have a demonstrably excellent academic track record in Buddhist Studies, and hold a PhD in Buddhist Studies or a related field, or its equivalent. They should have an excellent command of English and be prepared to present their research results in English. Applicants will teach a small number of courses on topics within their area of specialization, and assistance in guiding the PhD students. Conditions of employment The position of the Postdoctoral fellow is temporary, max. three years with a full-time appointment (38 hours per week). The position of PhD-fellow (?promovendus?) is temporary, max. four years with a full-time appointment, and with an initial 18-month trial period. The salary is determined in accordance with the current scales as set out in the collective labor agreement for the Dutch universities (CAO): Postdoctoral fellow: min. ? 2.379, max. ? 4.374 PhD fellow: min. ? 2.042 - max. ? 2.612 Information For more information about the position please contact Prof. dr. J.A Silk, tel. +31-71-5272510, email j.a.silk [at] hum.leidenuniv.nl, and see the full project description at http://hum.leiden.edu/lias/research/sas/vici-project-silk.html Application PhD candidates please send your application (in English), including: - a cover letter stating your motivation for this position, - a CV - copies of your academic transcripts (or Dutch cijferlijst), - a writing sample (such as your MA thesis), and - two letters of reference. Post-doc candidates please send your application (in English), including: - a cover letter stating your motivation for this position, - a CV, - copies of your academic transcripts, - a printed copy of your PhD thesis and other relevant publications, and - three letters of reference. Please send your application indicating the application number before the deadline of *30 November 2010* to: vacatureslias at hum.leidenuniv.nl -- J. Silk Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Johan Huizinga Building, Room 1.37 Doelensteeg 16 2311 VL Leiden The Netherlands From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Mon Oct 18 01:11:22 2010 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 10 21:11:22 -0400 Subject: E-text of Saddaniti? Message-ID: <161227090500.23782.3145810472984036114.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, I would appreciate if someone has or knows how to access either a pdf or an e-text of Aggavamsa's Saddaniti. Thanks. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics Department of Asian Languages and Cultures 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111 The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104-1608, USA From torella at UNIROMA1.IT Mon Oct 18 07:31:08 2010 From: torella at UNIROMA1.IT (raffaele torella) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 10 09:31:08 +0200 Subject: Sanskrit in Kerala Message-ID: <161227090505.23782.1314452373221029962.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, I am looking for the email address of Sankritists (particularly, vyakarana specialists) in Kerala Universities (Trivandrum, Calicut, etc.). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Raffaele Torella -- Prof. Raffaele Torella Chair of Sanskrit Facolt? di Studi Orientali Universit? di Roma 'La Sapienza' via Principe Amedeo 182b, 00185 Rome (Italy) fax +39 06 49385915 From mark.allon at SYDNEY.EDU.AU Mon Oct 18 01:33:22 2010 From: mark.allon at SYDNEY.EDU.AU (Mark Allon) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 10 12:33:22 +1100 Subject: E-text of Saddaniti? In-Reply-To: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D717C44BE1DB@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu> Message-ID: <161227090502.23782.17766233421438110407.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Madhav, > I would appreciate if someone has or knows how to access either a > pdf or an e-text of Aggavamsa's Saddaniti. Thanks. > > Madhav M. Deshpande This was recently brought to my attention on another list (Pali Study list): Vol. 1: http://asi.nic.in/asi_books/2699.pdf Vol. 2: http://asi.nic.in/asi_books/2700.pdf Vol. 3: http://asi.nic.in/asi_books/2701.pdf Vol. 4: http://asi.nic.in/asi_books/2702.pdf Vol. 5: http://asi.nic.in/asi_books/2665.pdf It appears that Vol. 5: parts 1 and 2 (index of Pali words) are missing. Regards Mark Dr Mark Allon Chair, Department of Indian Subcontinental Studies (http://www.arts.usyd.edu.au/indian/) University of Sydney Woolley Building A20 Sydney NSW 2006, Australia Phone 02-93513891; fax 02-93512319 From hwtull at MSN.COM Mon Oct 18 20:57:20 2010 From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 10 16:57:20 -0400 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: <4C9A9DB1.3030103@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <161227090507.23782.17428852721200755075.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. Herman Tull -------------------------------------------------- From: "McComas Taylor" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:22 PM To: Subject: [INDOLOGY] Student project:Abhij??na?akuntalam > Dear Colleague > > Two fine 3rd year students at the ANU have produced a wonderful > stop-animation of a snippet of Abhij??na?akuntalam > > Please see: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2yHWMS62O0 > > I am sure they would love to hear from you: > > Annie McCarthy > > and > > Patrick McCartney > > Yours > > McComas Taylor > > > -- > =============================== > Dr McComas Taylor > Head, South Asia Program > College of Asia and the Pacific > The Australian National University > ACTON ACT 0200 > > Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 > Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 > > Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au > http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n > Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building From athr at LOC.GOV Mon Oct 18 21:27:02 2010 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 10 17:27:02 -0400 Subject: Bhajan Lal MSS dealer In-Reply-To: <1D525027B29706438707F336D75A279F15135F2D11@LCXCLMB03.LCDS.LOC.GOV> Message-ID: <161227090509.23782.3116849178398666340.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dominik, My colleague Christopher Murphy in the African and Middle Eastern Division has supplied me with a scan, which I am sending you separately, of one of the labels on the Persian and Arabic manuscripts we bought from Probsthain, and they are Bhajan Lal's, not Probsthain's or anyone's else. The labels are all the same. The handwriting appears to me different from that on the mss Horace Poleman bought in 1941 and the card index thereof, and anyway there are no printed labels on those. If you want to discuss them further with Chris, his email is cmur at loc.gov, but please carbon me. Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian and Team Coordinator South Asia Team Asian Division Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4810 USA tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. From lubint at WLU.EDU Tue Oct 19 03:00:21 2010 From: lubint at WLU.EDU (Lubin, Tim) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 10 23:00:21 -0400 Subject: Book announcement: Hinduism and Law Message-ID: <161227090515.23782.14765871271049159360.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Just published (in UK, imminently in US): _Hinduism and Law: An Introduction_ Edited by Timothy Lubin, Donald R. Davis, Jr., and Jayanth K. Krishnan Cambridge University Press, 2010 http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521887861&ss=fro US: http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521716260 http://books.google.com/books?id=MtuhClbfL7EC Contributors:Timothy Lubin, Donald R. Davis, Jr, Jayanth Krishnan, Patrick Olivelle, Axel Michaels, Rosane Rocher, Rachel Sturman, Rina Verma Williams, Lawrence McCrea, Ananya Vajpeyi, Whitney Cox, Robert Yelle, Richard Davis, Aditya Malik, Laura Dudley Jenkins, Smita Narula Best, Tim Lubin From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Mon Oct 18 21:30:21 2010 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 10 23:30:21 +0200 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090512.23782.7088652714862732292.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Am 18.10.2010 um 22:57 schrieb Herman Tull: > I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. There is an older article by Otto Stein: Stein, Otto: The numeral 18, in: Poona Orientalist 1 (1936), p. 1-37 and a short sequel, Stein, Otto: Additional notes on the numeral 18, in: Poona Orientalist 2 (1937), p. 164-165 (both repr. in Otto Stein: Kleine Schriften / ed. by Friedrich Wilhelm. - Stuttgart : Steiner, 1985, pp. 515 seqq.). Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 53113 Bonn From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 19 08:14:07 2010 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (J L Brockington) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 09:14:07 +0100 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090517.23782.7905199410677883425.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, There is also some treatment of 18 in several articles on numbers as a whole, e.g. Siegfried Lienhard, "Lucky Numbers in Ancient Indian Literature", Langue, style et structure dans le monde indien: Centenaire de Louis Renou, ed. Nalini Balbir et Georges-Jean Pinault, Champion, Paris, 1996, pp. 523-36, and S.S.N. Murthy, "Number Symbolism in the Vedas", Electronic Journalof Vedic Studies 12.3, 2005, pp. 87-99, also my own "Meaningful Numbers?", Research Bulletin, Vishveshvaranand Vedic Research Institute 4 & 5, 2006, pp. 21-64. John Brockington Professor J. L. Brockington Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies Asian Studies 7-8 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW ----- Message from pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE --------- Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:30:21 +0200 From: Peter Wyzlic Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Am 18.10.2010 um 22:57 schrieb Herman Tull: > >> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was >> wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of >> the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the >> Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in >> the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books >> denotation). This has long seemed to me to be some sort of >> convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the >> twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). >> However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and >> was reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I >> started to think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more >> at all). Thanks. > > There is an older article by Otto Stein: > Stein, Otto: The numeral 18, in: Poona Orientalist 1 (1936), p. 1-37 > and a short sequel, Stein, Otto: Additional notes on the numeral > 18, in: Poona Orientalist 2 (1937), p. 164-165 (both repr. in Otto > Stein: Kleine Schriften / ed. by Friedrich Wilhelm. - Stuttgart : > Steiner, 1985, pp. 515 seqq.). > > Hope it helps > Peter Wyzlic > > -- > Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften > Bibliothek > Universit?t Bonn > Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 > 53113 Bonn ----- End message from pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE ----- -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From straube at STAFF.UNI-MARBURG.DE Tue Oct 19 08:53:08 2010 From: straube at STAFF.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Martin Straube) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 10:53:08 +0200 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090519.23782.11008769558913811729.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Also: Lienhard, Siegfried: Lucky Numbers in Ancient Indian Literature, in: Langue, style et structure dans le monde indien. Centenaire de Louis Renou. Actes du Colloque international (Paris, 25 ?27 janvier 1996), ?dit?s par Nalini Balbir et Georges-Jean Pinault avec la collaboration de Jean Fezas. Paris 1996. (Biblioth?que de l??cole des Hautes ?tudes, Sciences Historiques et philologiques, 334), p. 523? 536. Martin Straube Zitat von Peter Wyzlic : > Am 18.10.2010 um 22:57 schrieb Herman Tull: > >> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was >> wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of >> the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the >> Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in >> the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). >> This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction >> used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus >> recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an >> introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the >> famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there >> might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > > There is an older article by Otto Stein: > Stein, Otto: The numeral 18, in: Poona Orientalist 1 (1936), p. 1-37 > and a short sequel, Stein, Otto: Additional notes on the numeral 18, > in: Poona Orientalist 2 (1937), p. 164-165 (both repr. in Otto > Stein: Kleine Schriften / ed. by Friedrich Wilhelm. - Stuttgart : > Steiner, 1985, pp. 515 seqq.). > > Hope it helps > Peter Wyzlic > > -- > Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften > Bibliothek > Universit?t Bonn > Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 > 53113 Bonn > > -- Dr. Martin Straube Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Str. 9 D-06099 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de Philipps-Universit?t Marburg Fachgebiet Indologie und Tibetologie Deutschhausstr. 12 D-35032 Marburg www.uni-marburg.de/indologie From beitel at GWU.EDU Tue Oct 19 15:46:58 2010 From: beitel at GWU.EDU (Alfred Hiltebeitel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 11:46:58 -0400 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: <20101019105308.127610t9lalgfl2o@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <161227090539.23782.1513447928113604372.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> -I see that I mis-addressed this yesterday: On usages of the number 18, see also, for some discussion, Madeleine Biardeau, Le Mahabharata: Un recit fondateur du brahmanisme et son interpretation (Paris: Seuil, 2002), vol. 1, pp. 548-50, 700, 737 and n. 14. Alf Hiltebeitel Professor of Religion and Human Sciences Department of Religion 2106 G Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20052 ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Straube Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:53 am Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Also: > Lienhard, Siegfried: Lucky Numbers in Ancient Indian Literature, in: > > Langue, style et structure dans le monde indien. Centenaire de Louis > > Renou. Actes du Colloque international (Paris, 25 ?27 janvier 1996), > > ?dit?s par Nalini Balbir et Georges-Jean Pinault avec la collaboration > > de Jean Fezas. Paris 1996. (Biblioth?que de l??cole des Hautes ?tudes, > > Sciences Historiques et philologiques, 334), p. 523? 536. > > Martin Straube > > Zitat von Peter Wyzlic : > > > Am 18.10.2010 um 22:57 schrieb Herman Tull: > > > >> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was > > >> wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of > > >> the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the > >> Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in > > >> the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). > > >> This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction > > >> used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus > > >> recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an > >> introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the > >> famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there > > >> might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > > > > There is an older article by Otto Stein: > > Stein, Otto: The numeral 18, in: Poona Orientalist 1 (1936), p. 1-37 > > > and a short sequel, Stein, Otto: Additional notes on the numeral 18, > > > in: Poona Orientalist 2 (1937), p. 164-165 (both repr. in Otto > > Stein: Kleine Schriften / ed. by Friedrich Wilhelm. - Stuttgart : > > Steiner, 1985, pp. 515 seqq.). > > > > Hope it helps > > Peter Wyzlic > > > > -- > > Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften > > Bibliothek > > Universit?t Bonn > > Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 > > 53113 Bonn > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Martin Straube > > Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg > Seminar f?r Indologie > Emil-Abderhalden-Str. 9 > D-06099 Halle (Saale) > www.indologie.uni-halle.de > > Philipps-Universit?t Marburg > Fachgebiet Indologie und Tibetologie > Deutschhausstr. 12 > D-35032 Marburg > www.uni-marburg.de/indologie From andra.kleb at GOOGLEMAIL.COM Tue Oct 19 09:57:15 2010 From: andra.kleb at GOOGLEMAIL.COM (Andrey Klebanov) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 11:57:15 +0200 Subject: pa~ncavidyaa's at the Buddhist monasteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090522.23782.7222682262483078182.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list, I would be thankful for any bibliographical hints on the position of the study of "pa~ncavidyaa's" in the Buddhist monasteries in India and (!) Tibet. So far I could only find some passing references to this matter here and there. Would be grateful for any pointer to a systematic study (or a treatise among primary sources) Best, Andrey Klebanov From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 19 10:53:17 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 12:53:17 +0200 Subject: Bhajan Lal labels Message-ID: <161227090528.23782.8441106868838033022.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Here are images of: 1. a Bhajan Lal MS label from one of the MSS in the Woolner Collection, Lahore. (See http://woolnerproject.org for further background), and 2. a second label from a MS in the Wellcome Library in London ( http://library.wellcome.ac.uk/asian.html or, e.g., their photo library .) Best, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Before purchase they had inspected them carefully for indications that there might be national patrimony issues. The Asian division also had its eye on a collection of Indo-Aryan language manuscripts at a reasonable price, but the money came through just after Probsthain had already sold them. The Chinese section, however, did buy a number of Chinese manuscripts and early printed books. I recall that the Indo-Aryan manuscripts each had a printed label with items to be filled in by hand. I presume they were also Bhajan Lal collections but can't remember and don't have any notes about it, and so can't swear to it. Probsthain at this time offered several collections, of Indo-Aryan, Perso-Arabic, and Chinese raria, which had been mislaid for many decades. My notes from that time mention the attic current owner's grandfather's house, but I remember being told it was a corner of the basement of the store, when I visited London. As I said, Horace Poleman bought a collection of over 400 Sanskrit and other Indo-Aryan manuscripts in 1941. One can tell they are a collection by there being a card index for them, their being numbered consecutively on each ms and on the butcher paper wrappers, and their having the same acquisition date written on all. I have never been able to find from whom he bought them. I hope before long to carve out the time to look in the LOC Archives for information on this purchase; however in general LOC does not keep very good records on purchases. Poleman also bought individual mss from various sources. The handwriting in the card index and on the butcher paper seems quite different from Bhajan Lal's or that of whoever filled in Dominik's or AMED's labels. Notably the t's are crossed on the labels but not in the index. Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian and Team Coordinator South Asia Team Asian Division Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4810 USA tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BhajanLallabelreduced.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 198688 bytes Desc: not available URL: From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 19 15:28:44 2010 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (J L Brockington) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 16:28:44 +0100 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090536.23782.11975364238998602276.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Bussanich, So far as I remember, only tangentially. Here is all that I wrote in my articles: Instances of nine squared, eighty-one, are not particularly frequent and I have already given those that I have noticed. However, eighty-four seems to have been favoured in the heterodox movements. According to Maskarin Gos?la, each individual transmigrates for 84,00,000 mah?kalpas. In Jainism, the lifespan of the first and eleventh t?rtha?karas was eighty-four lakhs and that of the eighteenth Jina Aran?tha was 8400 years, while the interval between Nemin?tha and P?r?van?tha is said to have been 84,000 years. For Buddhism, there is the fact that in the Mah?sudarsana Sutta the palace of king Sudarsana had 84,000 pillars and chambers, his territory had 84,000 cities and palaces, and he had 84,000 wives, chariots and so on; also, traditionally A?oka erected 84,000 st?pas.[63] 63. For 84 as 21 x 4 see Gonda, The Vedic Morning Litany (Pr?taranuv?ka), p. 117 n. 4. Yours John Brockington Professor J. L. Brockington Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies Asian Studies 7-8 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW ----- Message from john.bussanich at gmail.com --------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:30:17 -0600 From: John Bussanich Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: J L Brockington > Do any of these discuss the 84 lakhs of human incarnations often cited as > necessary before the attainment of mok?a? > > Thanks > > Prof. John Bussanich > Philosophy Department MSC03 2140 > University of New Mexico > Albuquerque, NM 87131 > > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:14 AM, J L Brockington > wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> There is also some treatment of 18 in several articles on numbers as a >> whole, e.g. Siegfried Lienhard, "Lucky Numbers in Ancient Indian >> Literature", Langue, style et structure dans le monde indien: Centenaire de >> Louis Renou, ed. Nalini Balbir et Georges-Jean Pinault, Champion, Paris, >> 1996, pp. 523-36, and S.S.N. Murthy, "Number Symbolism in the Vedas", >> Electronic Journalof Vedic Studies 12.3, 2005, pp. 87-99, also my own >> "Meaningful Numbers?", Research Bulletin, Vishveshvaranand Vedic Research >> Institute 4 & 5, 2006, pp. 21-64. >> >> John Brockington >> >> >> Professor J. L. Brockington >> Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies >> Asian Studies >> 7-8 Buccleuch Place >> Edinburgh EH8 9LW >> >> >> ----- Message from pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE --------- >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:30:21 +0200 >> From: Peter Wyzlic >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen >> >> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >> >> >> Am 18.10.2010 um 22:57 schrieb Herman Tull: >>> >>> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was >>>> wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the >>>> significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the >>>> Mahabharata--books, days of >>>> war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called >>>> "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be >>>> some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the >>>> twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of >>>> Israel). However, >>>> as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was >>>> reminded about >>>> the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there >>>> might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. >>>> >>> >>> There is an older article by Otto Stein: >>> Stein, Otto: The numeral 18, in: Poona Orientalist 1 (1936), p. 1-37 and >>> a short sequel, Stein, Otto: Additional notes on the numeral 18, in: Poona >>> Orientalist 2 (1937), p. 164-165 (both repr. in Otto Stein: Kleine >>> Schriften / ed. by Friedrich Wilhelm. - Stuttgart : Steiner, 1985, pp. 515 >>> seqq.). >>> >>> Hope it helps >>> Peter Wyzlic >>> >>> -- >>> Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften >>> Bibliothek >>> Universit?t Bonn >>> Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 >>> 53113 Bonn >>> >> >> ----- End message from pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE ----- ----- End message from john.bussanich at gmail.com ----- -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 19 14:37:50 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 16:37:50 +0200 Subject: The file attachment size-limit for INDOLOGY postings is 1 megabyte Message-ID: <161227090533.23782.10186238006260020653.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The file attachment size-limit for INDOLOGY postings is currently set at 1 megabyte. Dominik INDOLOGY. From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Tue Oct 19 16:05:22 2010 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 18:05:22 +0200 Subject: What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen Message-ID: <161227090542.23782.8078692449678964791.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Since a number of people on this list seem ready to provide pieces of information concerning numbers, I wonder whether today might not be the right/auspicious occasion for finding an answer to a question which I have had for some time. While going through the 2008 volume (/Genesis and Development of Tantrism/) edited by Shingo EINOO my eye was caught by the first words inside footnote 575 [which is on the page 247 of that volume] inside the article by professor A. Sanderson, because they are connected with a number (= "37") in which I have been interested for quite some time. The footnote reads: "Three thousand seven hundred goats and thirty seven buffalos were to be sacrificed: a hundred goats and one buffalo on the first day, two hundred goats and two buffaloes on the second day, three hundred goats and three buffaloes on the third day, and so on, so that nine hundred goats and nine buffaloes were sacrificed on the ninth day (Mahānavamī). ..." The problem is, however, that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = 45 (and not 37) Could it be that this source is based on two contradictory sources, which it tries to reconcile? (this would explain why the calculation is incorrect) I have been intrigued by number 37 ever since I read in the 1967 book, /The Interior Landscape/, by A.K. Ramanujan, commenting on the duration of the "three [Tamil] Sangams" [namely 4,440, 3,700 and 1850 years] that: ** It has been pointed out that these numbers are suspiciously regular multiples of 37; the Jains had a passion for numbers. Does anyone have an explanation for the discrepancy which is found in the text reproduced inside Professor Sanderson's footnote? (and [as a QUESTION SUBSIDIAIRE] for the duration of the Tamil Sangams) Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) P.S. A few people might find it suggestive that according to page 41 inside a 1996 book by John H. Conway & Richard K. Guy (/The book of numbers/, ISBN 0-387-97993-X), the number 37 is the 4th "Hex Number". On 19/10/2010 02:27, Herman Tull wrote: > I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was > wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the > significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the Mahabharata--books, days > of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called > "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be > some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike > the twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). > However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was > reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to > think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > > Herman Tull > > -------------------------------------------------- [...] From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Tue Oct 19 17:44:41 2010 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 19:44:41 +0200 Subject: What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen Message-ID: <161227090548.23782.7499459059805070181.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Dipak Bhattacharya, It is true that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36 and that 36+1 = 37. A historical shift (from 8 to 9) might indeed be an explanation. Of course it is explaining obscure things by making use of obscure things, but such is life for indologists ;-) There are domains in which pretty much everything is obscure. Just in case a few of the members on this list are not terrified by arithmetics (I am not! :-)) and since this list now allows attachments, please find attached to this message an image which is scanned from a page inside /The Book of Numbers/ [1996](by Conway and Guy) which I mentioned earlier). Best wishes to all -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) On 19/10/2010 22:11, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: > From: Dipak Bhattacharya > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen > To: "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" > Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:40 PM > The origin of mythological numbers may lie in the same urge to aver completeness/fullness but post-substratum ramifications may be caused by various and apparently unrelated causes. One possibility might lie in the addition of 1 (Gonda Triads) by way of adding greater weight. 36 is the original number conceived somewhere and sometime as a basic number of completeness got by increasing by 1 from 1 up to 8. 37 is just greater. The cakras are 7 in the Śākta tantras but are termed Ṣaṭcakra - the original appellation in the Buddhist tantras where they are actually six in number (D.Bh.1979) to which 1 is added in the Śākta tantras. The retained appellation shows the origin. > Best > DB > --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: > From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD > Subject: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:05 PM > Since a number of people on this list seem ready to provide pieces of information concerning numbers, I wonder whether today might not be the right/auspicious occasion for finding an answer to a question which I have had for some time. > While going through the 2008 volume > (/Genesis and Development of Tantrism/) > edited by Shingo EINOO > my eye was caught by the first words inside > footnote 575 > [which is on the page 247 of that volume] > inside the article by professor A. Sanderson, > because they are connected with a number (= "37") > in which I have been > interested for quite some time. > The footnote reads: > > "Three thousand seven hundred goats and thirty seven buffalos were to > be sacrificed: > a hundred goats and one buffalo on the first day, > two hundred goats and two buffaloes on the second day, > three hundred goats and three buffaloes on the third day, > and so on, so that > nine hundred goats and nine buffaloes were sacrificed on the ninth day > (Mahānavamī). ..." > > The problem is, however, > that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = 45 (and not 37) > Could it be that this source is based on two contradictory sources, > which it tries to reconcile? > (this would explain why the calculation is incorrect) > I have been intrigued by number 37 > ever since I read in the 1967 book, /The Interior Landscape/, > by A.K. Ramanujan, > commenting on the duration of the "three [Tamil] Sangams" > [namely 4,440, 3,700 and 1850 years] > that: > > ** It has been pointed out that these numbers are suspiciously regular > multiples of 37; > the Jains had a passion for numbers. > > Does anyone have an explanation for the discrepancy > which is found in the text reproduced inside Professor Sanderson's footnote? (and [as a QUESTION SUBSIDIAIRE] for the duration of the Tamil Sangams) > Best wishes > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) > P.S. A few people might find it suggestive > that according to page 41 inside a 1996 book > by John H. Conway& Richard K. Guy > (/The book of numbers/, ISBN 0-387-97993-X), > the number 37 is the 4th "Hex Number". > On 19/10/2010 02:27, Herman Tull wrote: >> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. >> >> Herman Tull >> -------------------------------------------------- > [...] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 37_as_the_4th_Hex_numberConway_et_alii_1996.a Type: application/octet-stream Size: 90301 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Tue Oct 19 18:47:20 2010 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 20:47:20 +0200 Subject: Post-Scriptum [=wishful thinking] (Re: What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090552.23782.541598808167627748.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Post-Scriptum: Of course, since I personally find the idea that anyone might want to slaughter "Three thousand seven hundred goats" AND/OR "thirty seven buffaloes" UNBEARABLE, I have to make the assumption that MY HIDDEN INTENTION in making this post is to prove that the mistake in the addition (/id est/ the fact that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 and 37 are NOT EQUAL) definitely PROVES that such sacrifices never took place (otherwise they would have noticed that there was a mistake in the addition). But unfortunately, I know that this is just wishful thinking :-(( -- jlc On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:44:41 +0200 "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" wrote: > Dear Professor Dipak Bhattacharya, > It is true that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36 > and that 36+1 = 37. > A historical shift (from 8 to 9) might indeed be an explanation. > Of course it is explaining obscure things by making use of obscure >things, but such is life for indologists ;-) > There are domains in which pretty much everything is obscure. > Just in case a few of the members on this list are not terrified by >arithmetics (I am not! :-)) and since this list now allows >attachments, please find attached to this message an image which is >scanned from a page inside /The Book of Numbers/ [1996](by Conway and >Guy) which I mentioned earlier). > Best wishes to all > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) > On 19/10/2010 22:11, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: >> --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Dipak >>Bhattacharya wrote: >> From: Dipak Bhattacharya >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL >>to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen >> To: "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" >> Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:40 PM >> The origin of mythological numbers may lie in the same urge to aver >>completeness/fullness but post-substratum ramifications may be caused >>by various and apparently unrelated causes. One possibility might lie >>in the addition of 1 (Gonda Triads) by way of adding greater weight. >>36 is the original number conceived somewhere and sometime as a basic >>number of completeness got by increasing by 1 from 1 up to 8. 37 is >>just greater. The cakras are 7 in the Śākta tantras but >>are termed Ṣaṭcakra - the original appellation in the >>Buddhist tantras where they are actually six in number (D.Bh.1979) to >>which 1 is added in the Śākta tantras. The retained >>appellation shows the origin. >> Best >> DB >> --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Jean-Luc >>CHEVILLARD wrote: >> From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to >>1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen >> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >> Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:05 PM >> Since a number of people on this list seem ready to provide pieces >>of information concerning numbers, I wonder whether today might not >>be the right/auspicious occasion for finding an answer to a question >>which I have had for some time. >> While going through the 2008 volume >> (/Genesis and Development of Tantrism/) >> edited by Shingo EINOO >> my eye was caught by the first words inside >> footnote 575 >> [which is on the page 247 of that volume] >> inside the article by professor A. Sanderson, >> because they are connected with a number (= "37") >> in which I have been >> interested for quite some time. >> The footnote reads: >> >> "Three thousand seven hundred goats and thirty seven buffalos were >>to >> be sacrificed: >> a hundred goats and one buffalo on the first day, >> two hundred goats and two buffaloes on the second day, >> three hundred goats and three buffaloes on the third day, >> and so on, so that >> nine hundred goats and nine buffaloes were sacrificed on the ninth >>day >> (Mahānavamī). ..." >> >> The problem is, however, >> that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = 45 (and not 37) >> Could it be that this source is based on two contradictory sources, >> which it tries to reconcile? >> (this would explain why the calculation is incorrect) >> I have been intrigued by number 37 >> ever since I read in the 1967 book, /The Interior Landscape/, >> by A.K. Ramanujan, >> commenting on the duration of the "three [Tamil] Sangams" >> [namely 4,440, 3,700 and 1850 years] >> that: >> >> ** It has been pointed out that these numbers are suspiciously >>regular >> multiples of 37; >> the Jains had a passion for numbers. >> >> Does anyone have an explanation for the discrepancy >> which is found in the text reproduced inside Professor Sanderson's >>footnote? (and [as a QUESTION SUBSIDIAIRE] for the duration of the >>Tamil Sangams) >> Best wishes >> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) >> P.S. A few people might find it suggestive >> that according to page 41 inside a 1996 book >> by John H. Conway& Richard K. Guy >> (/The book of numbers/, ISBN 0-387-97993-X), >> the number 37 is the 4th "Hex Number". >> On 19/10/2010 02:27, Herman Tull wrote: >>> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was >>>wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of >>>the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the >>>Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in >>>the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). >>>This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction used >>>to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus >>>recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an >>>introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the famed >>>18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be >>>a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > >>> >>> Herman Tull >>> -------------------------------------------------- >> [...] From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 19 16:41:58 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 10 22:11:58 +0530 Subject: Fw: Re: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen Message-ID: <161227090545.23782.2959602340921396280.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: From: Dipak Bhattacharya Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:40 PM The origin of mythological numbers may lie in the same urge to aver completeness/fullness but?post-substratum ramifications may be caused by various and apparently unrelated causes. One possibility might lie in the addition of 1 (Gonda Triads) by way of adding greater weight. 36 is the original number conceived somewhere and sometime as a basic number of completeness got by increasing by 1 from 1 up to 8. 37 is just greater. ?The cakras are 7 in the ??kta tantras but are termed ?a?cakra - the original appellation in the Buddhist tantras where they are actually six in number (D.Bh.1979) to which 1 is added in the ??kta tantras. The retained appellation shows the origin. Best DB --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD Subject: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:05 PM Since a number of people on this list seem ready to provide pieces of information concerning numbers, I wonder whether today might not be the right/auspicious occasion for finding an answer to a question which I have had for some time. While going through the 2008 volume (/Genesis and Development of Tantrism/) edited by Shingo EINOO my eye was caught by the first words inside footnote 575 [which is on the page 247 of that volume] inside the article by professor A. Sanderson, because they are connected with a number (= "37") in which I have been interested for quite some time. The footnote reads: "Three thousand seven hundred goats and thirty seven buffalos were to be sacrificed: a hundred goats and one buffalo on the first day, two hundred goats and two buffaloes on the second day, three hundred goats and three buffaloes on the third day, and so on, so that nine hundred goats and nine buffaloes were sacrificed on the ninth day (Mah?navam?). ..." The problem is, however, that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = 45 (and not 37) Could it be that this source is based on two contradictory sources, which it tries to reconcile? (this would explain why the calculation is incorrect) I have been intrigued by number 37 ever since I read in the 1967 book, /The Interior Landscape/, by A.K. Ramanujan, commenting on the duration of the "three [Tamil] Sangams" [namely 4,440, 3,700 and 1850 years] that: ** It has been pointed out that these numbers are suspiciously regular multiples of 37; the Jains had a passion for numbers. Does anyone have an explanation for the discrepancy which is found in the text reproduced inside Professor Sanderson's footnote? (and [as a QUESTION SUBSIDIAIRE] for the duration of the Tamil Sangams) Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) P.S. A few people might find it suggestive that according to page 41 inside a 1996 book by? John H. Conway & Richard K. Guy (/The book of numbers/, ISBN 0-387-97993-X), the number 37 is the 4th "Hex Number". On 19/10/2010 02:27, Herman Tull wrote: > I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > > Herman Tull > > -------------------------------------------------- [...] From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 20 08:29:11 2010 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 10 03:29:11 -0500 Subject: What about thirty-seven? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090565.23782.4185320183506999904.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The late Alex Wayman once wrote a piece in which he sought to explain the 37 Buddhas of the Mahaayaana rite of contrition as an originally astral grouping. I am sorry that I do not have the precise reference at hand just now, but it's in one of his volumes on the tantras. Matthew T. Kapstein Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies The University of Chicago Divinity School Directeur d'?tudes Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 20 09:27:23 2010 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 10 04:27:23 -0500 Subject: correction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090568.23782.7378856123812437492.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> In my recent posting on 37 I was subject to an error of memory (thanks to Jonathan Silk for discretely pointing it out to me). The group of Buddhas of contrition according to the Triskandhakasuutra numbers 35, not 37, and it was this that Wayman sought to explain. 37 is nevertheless numerologically important in Buddhism: it is the number of the bodhipak.sadharma-s, the "factors allied with awakening." Matthew T. Kapstein Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies The University of Chicago Divinity School Directeur d'?tudes Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 20 05:07:26 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 10 10:37:26 +0530 Subject: Fw: Re: [INDOLOGY] Post-Scriptum [=wishful thinking] (Re: What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen Message-ID: <161227090562.23782.1712150511773542789.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> --- On Wed, 20/10/10, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: From: Dipak Bhattacharya Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Post-Scriptum [=wishful thinking] (Re: What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 5:04 AM Dear Professor Chevillard, Of course you are rightt in both postings. No rigid framework was claimed by me. That is dangerous in mythological enquiry. Moreover, to the proponents the original number may be real. See Mao-Tse Tung, how he has tried to prove the universality of duality with opposing or complementing components. And Gonda - in his zeal to disprove Dumezil's idea of the reflection of social reality he saw triads as universal and self existent. They work in fields where these are real and the detached reasearcher cannot penetrate into that. I hope the lecture has not been too long. Best DB --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD wrote: From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD Subject: [INDOLOGY] Post-Scriptum [=wishful thinking] (Re: What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 6:47 PM Post-Scriptum: Of course, since I personally find the idea that anyone might want to slaughter "Three thousand seven hundred goats" AND/OR "thirty seven buffaloes" UNBEARABLE, I have to make the assumption that MY HIDDEN INTENTION in making this post is to prove that the mistake in the addition (/id est/ the fact that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 and 37 are NOT EQUAL) definitely PROVES that such sacrifices never took place (otherwise they would have noticed that there was a mistake in the addition). But unfortunately, I know that this is just wishful thinking :-(( -- jlc On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:44:41 +0200 "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" wrote: > Dear Professor Dipak Bhattacharya, > It is true that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36 > and that 36+1 = 37. > A historical shift (from 8 to 9) might indeed be an explanation. > Of course it is explaining obscure things by making use of obscure things, but such is life for indologists ;-) > There are domains in which pretty much everything is obscure. > Just in case a few of the members on this list are not terrified by arithmetics (I am not! :-)) and since this list now allows attachments, please find attached to this message an image which is scanned from a page inside /The Book of Numbers/ [1996](by Conway and Guy) which I mentioned earlier). > Best wishes to all > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) > On 19/10/2010 22:11, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: >> --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Dipak Bhattacharya? wrote: >> From: Dipak Bhattacharya >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen >> To: "Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD" >> Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:40 PM >> The origin of mythological numbers may lie in the same urge to aver completeness/fullness but post-substratum ramifications may be caused by various and apparently unrelated causes. One possibility might lie in the addition of 1 (Gonda Triads) by way of adding greater weight. 36 is the original number conceived somewhere and sometime as a basic number of completeness got by increasing by 1 from 1 up to 8. 37 is just greater.? The cakras are 7 in the ??kta tantras but are termed ?a?cakra - the original appellation in the Buddhist tantras where they are actually six in number (D.Bh.1979) to which 1 is added in the ??kta tantras. The retained appellation shows the origin. >> Best >> DB >> --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD? wrote: >> From: Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? [why is it UNEQUAL to 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9] (Re: [INDOLOGY] eighteen >> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >> Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 4:05 PM >> Since a number of people on this list seem ready to provide pieces of information concerning numbers, I wonder whether today might not be the right/auspicious occasion for finding an answer to a question which I have had for some time. >> While going through the 2008 volume >> (/Genesis and Development of Tantrism/) >> edited by Shingo EINOO >> my eye was caught by the first words inside >> footnote 575 >> [which is on the page 247 of that volume] >> inside the article by professor A. Sanderson, >> because they are connected with a number (= "37") >> in which I have been >> interested for quite some time. >> The footnote reads: >> >> "Three thousand seven hundred goats and thirty seven buffalos were to >> be sacrificed: >> a hundred goats and one buffalo on the first day, >> two hundred goats and two buffaloes on the second day, >> three hundred goats and three buffaloes on the third day, >> and so on, so that >> nine hundred goats and nine buffaloes were sacrificed on the ninth day >> (Mah?navam?). ..." >> >> The problem is, however, >> that 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = 45 (and not 37) >> Could it be that this source is based on two contradictory sources, >> which it tries to reconcile? >> (this would explain why the calculation is incorrect) >> I have been intrigued by number 37 >> ever since I read in the 1967 book, /The Interior Landscape/, >> by A.K. Ramanujan, >> commenting on the duration of the "three [Tamil] Sangams" >> [namely 4,440, 3,700 and 1850 years] >> that: >> >> ** It has been pointed out that these numbers are suspiciously regular >> multiples of 37; >> the Jains had a passion for numbers. >> >> Does anyone have an explanation for the discrepancy >> which is found in the text reproduced inside Professor Sanderson's footnote? (and [as a QUESTION SUBSIDIAIRE] for the duration of the Tamil Sangams) >> Best wishes >> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Pondicherry) >> P.S. A few people might find it suggestive >> that according to page 41 inside a 1996 book >> by? John H. Conway&? Richard K. Guy >> (/The book of numbers/, ISBN 0-387-97993-X), >> the number 37 is the 4th "Hex Number". >> On 19/10/2010 02:27, Herman Tull wrote: >>> I apologize if this question is a terribly ignorant one, but I was wondering if there is any scholarly literature or any discussion of the significance of the Indic "18" (dominant in the Mahabharata--books, days of war, etc., etc., and then reiterated in the Puranas in the so-called "major" and "minor" books denotation). This has long seemed to me to be some sort of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > >>> >>> Herman Tull >>> -------------------------------------------------- >> [...] From tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 20 15:42:05 2010 From: tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU (Gary Tubb) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 10 10:42:05 -0500 Subject: Hindi position at University of Chicago Message-ID: <161227090573.23782.7054623948332793627.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Attached is the posting for a tenure-track opening in Hindi at the University of Chicago. -- Gary Tubb, Professor Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations The University of Chicago -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This has long seemed to me to be some sort > of convenient fiction used to tie up loose ends (not unlike the twelve > disciples of Jesus recalling the twelve tribes of Israel). However, as I > sat in an introductory Buddhism lecture today, and was reminded about the > famed 18 schools of the Mahasanghika(s), I started to think, there might be > a bit more (or, perhaps no more at all). Thanks. > > Herman Tull > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "McComas Taylor" > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:22 PM > To: > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Student project:Abhij??na?akuntalam > > Dear Colleague >> >> Two fine 3rd year students at the ANU have produced a wonderful >> stop-animation of a snippet of Abhij??na?akuntalam >> >> Please see: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2yHWMS62O0 >> >> I am sure they would love to hear from you: >> >> Annie McCarthy >> >> and >> >> Patrick McCartney >> >> Yours >> >> McComas Taylor >> >> >> -- >> =============================== >> Dr McComas Taylor >> Head, South Asia Program >> College of Asia and the Pacific >> The Australian National University >> ACTON ACT 0200 >> >> Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 >> Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 >> >> Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au >> http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n >> Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building >> > -- Dr E. Ciurtin Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions www.easr.eu Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711 Phone: 00 40 733 951 953 From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Wed Oct 20 17:10:26 2010 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc CHEVILLARD) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 10 19:10:26 +0200 Subject: NS? (Re: [INDOLOGY] What about thirty-seven? Message-ID: <161227090579.23782.3731504569289364318.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Matthew Kapstein, thanks for your comment (and thanks for forwarding Jonathan Silk's comment) Adding one more brain-storming style question, I would be interested in hearing from you or from others about the logic hidden behind the division of the /Nātyaśāstra/ into 36 chapters or into 37 chapters. Is it known who preferred having 36 chapters and who preferred having 37? Did the preferrence have anything to do with the religion of the "editor/transmitter"? Sorry if all these questions appear idle but I believe that in some contexts the only way to (discreetly) "make a statement" was to chose a different number :-) -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (planet Earth) On 20/10/2010 14:57, mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU wrote: > In my recent posting on 37 I was subject to > an error of memory (thanks to Jonathan Silk for > discretely pointing it out to me). The group > of Buddhas of contrition according to the > Triskandhakasuutra numbers 35, not 37, and it > was this that Wayman sought to explain. > > 37 is nevertheless numerologically important > in Buddhism: it is the number of the > bodhipak.sadharma-s, the "factors allied with > awakening." > > Matthew T. Kapstein > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies > The University of Chicago Divinity School > Directeur d'?tudes > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris > From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 19:19:07 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 10 21:19:07 +0200 Subject: INDOLOGY and SARIT server migration Message-ID: <161227090581.23782.17189008966193449919.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The server on which the INDOLOGY.info website is hosted (along with BOMBAY.indology.info, SARIT.indology.info, FAQ.indology.info, etc.) will be changing next week. We're moving from a hosting company in California to one in Austria that offers some advantages. The change will be made at 11am Central European Time, on Wednesday 27th October. If all goes well, the change will not be noticeable. There will be no change in the public addresses (indology.info etc.). The change has no connection with this INDOLOGY discussion forum (which continues to be generously hosted by Liverpool University). However, it seems wise to give notice, in case of the unforeseen. Best, Dominik Wujastyk SARIT, INDOLOGY. From hwtull at MSN.COM Thu Oct 21 10:39:15 2010 From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 10 06:39:15 -0400 Subject: eighteen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090587.23782.7288632936412912006.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thanks to all those who responded to my query regarding "18." Once again, I stand in awe of the collective wisdom of the list members, and the kindness of strangers in taking the time to share their knowledge. Herman Tull From Greg.Bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU Thu Oct 21 04:46:40 2010 From: Greg.Bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU (Gregory Bailey) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 10 15:46:40 +1100 Subject: Artistic Symbols in eighteenth century Maratha Culture Message-ID: <161227090584.23782.11323389929119410459.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, Can anybody suggest some directions pertaining to the e-mail included below? Thanks, Greg Bailey Hello, I am hoping that you can help me - I am researching for a film that depicts Maratha people and places in 1778. We are shooting in Australia and would like to do all we can to be accurate in our depiction. I have noticed on Trove that you have a few books in your library that are relevant to this - these books are not available anywhere else I thought perhaps you had a subject in it? IE:- Maratha confederacy : a study in its origin and development / V.S. Kadam I am looking for 18th Century Maharashtra / Marathi specific:- - Heraldry / Royal symbols of the different clans within the Marathi people of circa 1778? I have found that many clans used the "Nishan" - insignia - of :- Rudra - Shiva :- Sun :- Moon :- Ganapati - Ganesh :- Trishul - Trident :- Hanuman - Hindu Deity :- Serpent but have not been able to find any images of these - are you able to let me know what they would have looked like around 1778 - or do you have any paintings of them or photographs of any surviving insignia from the time? Also do you know if the court of the Peshwar used the same insignia as the court of the Raja or were they different? Other more general research is:- - Symbolism in art - ie deities, sun, moon, etc animals such as the tiger or the peacock etc - which animals were depicted and why? - Sculptures - religious or of the rulers of the time? - Paintings - Architecture - temples / palaces / buildings - Patterns - textiles - clothing - flags - Court Regalia - banners, colours, patterns, objects, etc - Other Objects - Jali Screen patterns - which shapes where used? In the script we see 2 great courts / palaces and also the huts and dwellings of some poorer people. I am wondering how the Maratha symbolism differed from other Hindu symbolism of the time? I would be most appreciative if you could offer me any advice or assistance or let me know the best place to go or person to ask. Do you know of any online resources that I can download pictures from? Or articles that elaborate on the symbolism? Or any books that I may be able to find in Australia? I have found many books on Hindu Art and Architecture - but none specifically show if they were 18th Century Maratha / Maharashtra. Much thanks for your time, I apologies for rushing you as I am sure that you are very busy - but we are shooting very soon and so I would really appreciate any advice that you have as soon as possible! From d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK Thu Oct 21 15:59:46 2010 From: d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 10 17:59:46 +0200 Subject: Ancient Script In-Reply-To: <225318.60582.qm@web45409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227090590.23782.1217016061625885182.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Forwarded message. Replies CC'ed to rahula_80 at yahoo.com please (and the list, if you wish). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 21 October 2010 15:32, Ngawang Dorje wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to ask the experts in the Indology discussion group, but I am not > a member. I wonder if you could help me. > > Thanks, > Rahula > > ---------- > > I would be very grateful if you could transcript and translate the document > that is attached with this email. It is from a rock inscription dated 5th > century AD, found in Penang, Malaysia (if you could read the script). Can > you also let me know if it's Pali or Sanskrit? > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please feel free to email them off-group Yours McComas -- =============================== Dr McComas Taylor Head, South Asia Program College of Asia and the Pacific The Australian National University ACTON ACT 0200 Tel: +61 2 6125 3179 Fax: +61 2 6125 8326 Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au http://tinyurl.com/38cj94n Location: Room E4.24 Baldessin Precinct Building From jemhouben at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 22 16:08:05 2010 From: jemhouben at GMAIL.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 10 18:08:05 +0200 Subject: new issue of eJIM Message-ID: <161227090596.23782.12645156162001000163.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists eJIM, the eJournal of Indian Medicine, has just published its latest issue at http://www.indianmedicine.nl. We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our web site to review articles and items of interest. eJIM is a free journal, and currently has about 625 registered readers. eJIM - eJournal of Indian Medicine Vol 3, No 2 (2010) Table of Contents Articles The Encounter of Medical Traditions in N?r al-D?n ??r?z??s ?Il?j?t-i D?r? ?ik?h? (53-67) Fabrizio Speziale Citations in Jajja?a?s Nirantarapadavy?khy? 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Kirchheim Verlag paperback, 89 pp. ISBN: 978-3-87410-140-0 Price: EUR 24,95 SUMMARY (in German) Viele der kleinen Indologien in Deutschland waren wissenschaftliche Schwergewichte, welche die internationale Forschungslandschaft dominierten. Mit den idealen Betreuungsverh?ltnissen von ?Elite- Universit?ten?, welche geringe Studentenzahlen erm?glichen, konnten sie die n?chste Forschergeneration ausbilden, die enorme Fortschritte in der Erforschung der Geschichte des indischen Kulturraumes erzielten. Dennoch mussten sie immer wieder um die Besetzung der meist einzigen Stelle in einem Institut bangen und sich f?r die kleine Zahl von Studenten oder ihr vermeintlich unbedeutendes, ineffektives Fach rechtfertigen ? daran hat sich bis heute nichts ge?ndert. Indologie im Umbruch: Zur Geschichte des Faches in Marburg 1845?1945 erz?hlt die Geschichte eines dieser Standorte von seiner Gr?ndung im Jahre 1845 bis zum Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs, jedoch mit einem kleinen Ausblick auf j?ngere Entwicklungen. Besonders ber?cksichtigt wird dabei die Entwicklung der Indologie und ihre Inanspruchnahme f?r ideologische Zwecke im Nationalsozialismus. CONTENTS Ein Loch in der Zeit. 7 Wozu indische Philologie? 9 Johannes Gildemeister. 17 Ferdinand Justi und Albert Thumb. 23 Karl Friedrich Geldner. 27 Hanns Oertel und Jacob Wilhelm Hauer. 37 Die Indologie im Nationalsozialismus. 43 Johannes Nobel. 63 Anhang. 73 For more details please see here: http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb10/iksl/indologie/fachgebiet/im ________________________________________ Dr. Dragomir Dimitrov Indologie und Tibetologie Philipps-Universit?t Marburg Deutschhausstr. 12 35032 Marburg Germany Tel.: +49 6421 28 24640, +49 178 9190340 E-mail: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de http://www.uni-marburg.de/indologie ________________________________________ From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU Mon Oct 25 11:41:37 2010 From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 06:41:37 -0500 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature Message-ID: <161227090612.23782.3343959451803926182.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Friends: A colleague without access to Indology and working on trade in India 600 CE onward asks whether there is any Sanskrit textual material that would be useful to her. I think there is some material in the Katha literature -- Pancatantra, Kathasaritsagara, Hitopadesa etc. She also wants to know whether there is any secondary literature dealing with this aspect of the Katha literature. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks. Patrick From ssandahl at SYMPATICO.CA Mon Oct 25 12:08:48 2010 From: ssandahl at SYMPATICO.CA (Stella Sandahl) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 08:08:48 -0400 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090617.23782.2247737479030184180.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Patrick, This is a bit on the side, but there's an article by V.S. Agrawala about a ritual at a well preceding sea voyages for trading purposes in Agrawala, V.S.: ?The Seven-Sea Gift in the Matsya Purana? in Purana . Bulletin of the Purana Department. All India Kashiraja Trust,Vol. 1, No. 2 Feb. 1960, pp. 206-212. Best Stella -- Stella Sandahl ssandahl at sympatico.ca On 25-Oct-10, at 7:41 AM, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > Friends: > > A colleague without access to Indology and working on trade in > India 600 CE onward asks whether there is any Sanskrit textual > material that would be useful to her. I think there is some > material in the Katha literature -- Pancatantra, Kathasaritsagara, > Hitopadesa etc. She also wants to know whether there is any > secondary literature dealing with this aspect of the Katha > literature. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks. > > Patrick From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 25 13:14:29 2010 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 08:14:29 -0500 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090619.23782.2566629467306101432.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Patrick, There's lots scattered around Buddhist sources, very often in Jaataka-s, Avadaana-s, and Mahaayaana suutras such as the Ga.n.davyuuha, where traders figure prominently. As I recall, Geiger's Culture of Ceylon in Mediaeval Times has useful references to the Pali sources on this. I don't know of anything off hand that puts together the Buddhist Sanskrit references to material culture very effectively (does someone want to encourage a great project for a dissertation?) And of course the two great Tamil novels also have much to say of merchants and trade. best, Matthew Matthew T. Kapstein Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies The University of Chicago Divinity School Directeur d'?tudes Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris From rdavidson at FAIRFIELD.EDU Mon Oct 25 13:23:59 2010 From: rdavidson at FAIRFIELD.EDU (Ronald Davidson) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 09:23:59 -0400 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090622.23782.4785980994631348213.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Patrick, Not on Sanskrit literature per se, but a valuable short study of the Samaraichchakah? is Thakur, Vijay Kumar and Jha, Kalpana. 1994. ?Towns and Traide in the Samaraichchakah?: Text and Context.? In N.N. Bhattacharyya, ed. Jainism and Prakrit in Ancient and Medieval India: Essays for Prof. Jagdish Chandra Jain. New Delhi: Manohar Publishers. Pp. 295-324. Both Vijay Thakur and Kalpana Jha have produced subsequent works on early medieval trade, including Jha's Urbanisation in early medieval north India : an analysis of the Samaraichchakaha / Kalpana Jha ; with an introduction by Vijay Kumar Thakur. Patna : Janaki Prakashan, 1990. Siefgried Lienhard's "Avalokite?vara in the Wick of the Night-Lamp," Indo-Iranian Journal 36 (1933): 93-104 is about the S?rthav?ha story in the K?ra??avy?ha, and Himanshu Ray's 1994 Winds of Change: Buddhism and the Maritime Links of Early South Asia (Delhi: OUP) certainly provides many references to Buddhist literature. The more recent histories of R.S. Sharma, especially his Early medieval Indian society : a study in feudalisation, Hyderabad: Orient Longman, 2001, are of some assistance. Best, Ron From w.t.douglas at ABDN.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 13:35:18 2010 From: w.t.douglas at ABDN.AC.UK (Dr. Will Tuladhar-Douglas) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 09:35:18 -0400 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090625.23782.17981233117563654529.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> As others, quicker on the keyboard have already said, combing Buddhist narrative literature (j?taka, avad?na, mah?tmya) will yield troves of useful information about specific commodities, trade routes, and commercial practices and institutions, though establishing useful dating is a different question. The list of fine fabrics in the Svayambh?pur??a is evidence for medieval Newar commodities. For example, in the fore-story of Sudhana and the Kinnari, when the wicked king seeks a n?ga-hunter there is a nice conversation in which the king offers the ?hitu??aka his fee up front and the n?ga-hunter asks the king instead to put the money into a sack at the top of a tall pole, publicly visible: it's a sort of escrow. Given the early date of this story, though, that practise may or may not still exist by Har?a's time. I think much of this material has been combed over in works on Indian Ocean trade. Ray, H.P., 1994, The Winds of Change: Buddhism and the Maritime Links of Early Southeast Asia, Oxford University Press (India), New Delhi. Liu, X., 1998, Silk and Religion: An exploration of material life and the thought of people, AD 600-1200, Oxford University Press (India), New Delhi. Sen, T., 2003, Buddhism, Diplomacy and Trade, University of Hawai`i Press,. Also, see the invaluable _Golden Peaches of Samarkand_, on Tang commodities. Schafer, R., 1963, The Golden Peaches of Samarkand, University of California, Berkeley. Probably least explored, are the materia medica of ?yurveda. A comparison of the items listed with biogeography (where reliable equivalences can be established between the Sanskrit term and a modern species), will rapidly tell you that a number of medicinal plants and substances (e.g., varieties of salt) were traded over long distances from early times; these trade links continue to be important up the modern day. I'm working on Himalayan materials these days but there must be similar regional literatures and practices all around the Indian Ocean and Central Asia. -WBTD. On 25 Oct 2010, at 07:41, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > Friends: > > A colleague without access to Indology and working on trade in India 600 CE onward asks whether there is any Sanskrit textual material that would be useful to her. I think there is some material in the Katha literature -- Pancatantra, Kathasaritsagara, Hitopadesa etc. She also wants to know whether there is any secondary literature dealing with this aspect of the Katha literature. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks. > > Patrick - - -- --- ----- -------- ------------- Will Tuladhar-Douglas Anthropology of Environment and Religions TLKY Distinguished Visiting Professor in Buddhist Studies, University of Toronto, Scarborough. http://tending.to/garden From christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE Mon Oct 25 07:36:12 2010 From: christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 09:36:12 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK: Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae In-Reply-To: <4CC4566B.333.22BDA272@dimitrov.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <161227090604.23782.10622841512018372256.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The vol. 2 of the new series Indologica Marpurgensia looks like also interesting: Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae Drei Biographien ber?hmter Indologen Von Margot Kraatz und Martin Kraatz M?nchen 2010 Indologica Marpurgensia, Band II P. Kirchheim Verlag Broschur, Fadenheftung, viii, 146 S. ISBN: 978-3-87410-141-7 Preis: EUR 29,80 Inhaltsverzeichnis || Bestellen Die hier erstmals vollst?ndig publizierten Biographien belegen als solche die Kontinuit?t indologischer Forschung und Lehre in Marburg. Sie entstanden als Referate von Studenten in den Jahren 1962-64 unter dem auch fachgeschichtlich interessierten Ordinarius Wilhelm Rau. Von drei dieser ber?hmten Indologen zeichnen sie Leben, Werk, wissenschaftliche Verdienste und heute noch aktuellen Wert nach. Carl Cappeller (1840-1925) haben vor allem seine W?rterb?cher neben den Schriften ?ber indische Kunstdichtung bekannt gemacht. Aus dem riesigen Werk von Moriz Winternitz (1863-1937) ist die immer und auch heute unverzichtbare Geschichte der indischen Litteratur hervorzuheben. Sein Werksverzeichnis umfasst ?ber 50 Jahre reichster Ver?ffentlichungst?tigkeit. Auch Theodor Zachariaes (1851-1934) haupts?chliches Forschungsgebiet ist die Lexikographie. Seine ?bedeutendste Publikation" Die indischen W?rterb?cher erschien 1897 in Band I des Grundri? der Indo-Arischen Philologie und Altertumskunde. http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb10/iksl/indologie/fachgebiet/im >NEW BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT > >Indologie im Umbruch >Zur Geschichte des Faches in Marburg 1845-1945 > >Antrittsvorlesung von J?rgen Hanneder > >M?nchen 2010 >Indologica Marpurgensia, vol. I >P. Kirchheim Verlag >paperback, 89 pp. >ISBN: 978-3-87410-140-0 >Price: EUR 24,95 > > >SUMMARY (in German) > >Viele der kleinen Indologien in Deutschland waren wissenschaftliche >Schwergewichte, welche die internationale Forschungslandschaft >dominierten. Mit den idealen Betreuungsverh?ltnissen von ?Elite- >Universit?ten", welche geringe Studentenzahlen erm?glichen, konnten sie die >n?chste Forschergeneration ausbilden, die enorme Fortschritte in der >Erforschung der Geschichte des indischen Kulturraumes erzielten. Dennoch >mussten sie immer wieder um die Besetzung der meist einzigen Stelle in >einem Institut bangen und sich f?r die kleine Zahl von Studenten oder ihr >vermeintlich unbedeutendes, ineffektives Fach rechtfertigen - daran hat sich >bis heute nichts ge?ndert. Indologie im Umbruch: Zur Geschichte des Faches >in Marburg 1845-1945 erz?hlt die Geschichte eines dieser Standorte von >seiner Gr?ndung im Jahre 1845 bis zum Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs, jedoch >mit einem kleinen Ausblick auf j?ngere Entwicklungen. Besonders >ber?cksichtigt wird dabei die Entwicklung der Indologie und ihre >Inanspruchnahme f?r ideologische Zwecke im Nationalsozialismus. > > >CONTENTS >Ein Loch in der Zeit. 7 >Wozu indische Philologie? 9 >Johannes Gildemeister. 17 >Ferdinand Justi und Albert Thumb. 23 >Karl Friedrich Geldner. 27 >Hanns Oertel und Jacob Wilhelm Hauer. 37 >Die Indologie im Nationalsozialismus. 43 >Johannes Nobel. 63 >Anhang. 73 > > >For more details please see here: >http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb10/iksl/indologie/fachgebiet/im > > >________________________________________ > > Dr. Dragomir Dimitrov > Indologie und Tibetologie > Philipps-Universit?t Marburg > Deutschhausstr. 12 > 35032 Marburg > Germany > > Tel.: +49 6421 28 24640, +49 178 9190340 > E-mail: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de > http://www.uni-marburg.de/indologie >________________________________________ -- http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle http://belgianindology.blogs.lalibre.be/ -- Sign-up to Dropbox using the following link and get 2.25 gigabytes of storage free. http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTEwOTE3Nzg1OQ From dimitrov at STAFF.UNI-MARBURG.DE Mon Oct 25 07:49:24 2010 From: dimitrov at STAFF.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Dragomir Dimitrov) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 09:49:24 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK: Drei Biographien ber=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=BChmter?= Indologen Message-ID: <161227090607.23782.13751129272945810818.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> NEW BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae Drei Biographien ber?hmter Indologen Von Margot Kraatz und Martin Kraatz M?nchen 2010 Indologica Marpurgensia, vol. II P. Kirchheim Verlag paperback, viii, 146 pp. ISBN: 978-3-87410-141-7 Price: EUR 29,80 SUMMARY (in German) Die hier erstmals vollst?ndig publizierten Biographien belegen als solche die Kontinuit?t indologischer Forschung und Lehre in Marburg. Sie entstanden als Referate von Studenten in den Jahren 1962?64 unter dem auch fachgeschichtlich interessierten Ordinarius Wilhelm Rau. Von drei dieser ber?hmten Indologen zeichnen sie Leben, Werk, wissenschaftliche Verdienste und heute noch aktuellen Wert nach. Carl Cappeller (1840?1925) haben vor allem seine W?rterb?cher neben den Schriften ?ber indische Kunstdichtung bekannt gemacht. Aus dem riesigen Werk von Moriz Winternitz (1863?1937) ist die immer und auch heute unverzichtbare Geschichte der indischen Litteratur hervorzuheben. Sein Werksverzeichnis umfasst ?ber 50 Jahre reichster Ver?ffentlichungst?tigkeit. Auch Theodor Zachariaes (1851?1934) haupts?chliches Forschungsgebiet ist die Lexikographie. Seine ?bedeutendste Publikation? Die indischen W?rterb?cher erschien 1897 in Band I des Grundri? der Indo-Arischen Philologie und Altertumskunde. CONTENTS Vorwort. VII Carl Cappeller. 1 Moriz Winternitz. 35 Theodor Zachariae. 101 For more details please see here: http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb10/iksl/indologie/fachgebiet/im ________________________________________ Dr. Dragomir Dimitrov Indologie und Tibetologie Philipps-Universit?t Marburg Deutschhausstr. 12 35032 Marburg Germany Tel.: +49 6421 28 24640, +49 178 9190340 E-mail: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de http://www.uni-marburg.de/indologie ________________________________________ From jneelis at WLU.CA Mon Oct 25 15:08:17 2010 From: jneelis at WLU.CA (Jason Neelis) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 11:08:17 -0400 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature Message-ID: <161227090627.23782.5202370678209447194.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, My forthcoming book (expected to appear late next month - with apologies for self-promotion) examines Indian Buddhist literary sources, inscriptions, and archaeological materials which illustrate links between long-distance trade and institutional expansion: Early Buddhist Transmission and Trade Networks: Mobility and Exchange within and beyond the Northwestern Borderlands of South Asia. Dynamics in the History of Religions, vol. 2. Brill, Leiden; Boston. In addition to narratives referred to by other contributors to the discussion, vinaya literature (particularly the P?cittiyavagga of the P?li vinaya and the M?lasarv?stiv?da-vinaya) is a rich source for references to merchants involved in trading activities. Regards, Jason Neelis Religion and Culture Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5 On 25 Oct 2010, at 07:41, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > Friends: > > A colleague without access to Indology and working on trade in India 600 CE onward asks whether there is any Sanskrit textual material that would be useful to her. I think there is some material in the Katha literature -- Pancatantra, Kathasaritsagara, Hitopadesa etc. She also wants to know whether there is any secondary literature dealing with this aspect of the Katha literature. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks. > > Patrick - - -- --- ----- -------- ------------- Will Tuladhar-Douglas Anthropology of Environment and Religions TLKY Distinguished Visiting Professor in Buddhist Studies, University of Toronto, Scarborough. http://tending.to/garden From klaus.karttunen at HELSINKI.FI Mon Oct 25 11:56:54 2010 From: klaus.karttunen at HELSINKI.FI (Klaus Karttunen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 14:56:54 +0300 Subject: Trade in Medieval Sanskrit Literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090614.23782.14186361961915026649.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Patrick, especially Kathasaritsagara is important, but also Buddhist narratives (Jataka, Divyavadana) are interesting in this respect and some Jaina texts, too, I think. Klaus Karttunen Professor of South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND Tel +358-(0)9-191 22674 Fax +358-(0)9-191 22094 Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi On Oct 25, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Patrick Olivelle wrote: > Friends: > > A colleague without access to Indology and working on trade in India 600 CE onward asks whether there is any Sanskrit textual material that would be useful to her. I think there is some material in the Katha literature -- Pancatantra, Kathasaritsagara, Hitopadesa etc. She also wants to know whether there is any secondary literature dealing with this aspect of the Katha literature. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks. > > Patrick From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 25 11:39:43 2010 From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 17:09:43 +0530 Subject: Fw: Re: [INDOLOGY] NEW BOOK: Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae Message-ID: <161227090610.23782.15602800765003701878.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> --- On Mon, 25/10/10, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote: From: Dipak Bhattacharya Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] NEW BOOK: Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 11:37 AM The mail below sent to the :List?was received a second time from Dragomir Dimitrov. Another privately sent?mail too was received also from Dragomir Dimitrov. Yahoo relegated those two to the Spam folder! ?Something experienced by others too? Best DB --- On Mon, 25/10/10, Christophe Vielle wrote: From: Christophe Vielle Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] NEW BOOK: Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 7:36 AM The vol. 2 of the new series Indologica Marpurgensia looks like also interesting: Carl Cappeller - Moriz Winternitz - Theodor Zachariae Drei Biographien ber?hmter Indologen Von Margot Kraatz und Martin Kraatz M?nchen 2010 Indologica Marpurgensia, Band II P. Kirchheim Verlag Broschur, Fadenheftung, viii, 146 S. ISBN: 978-3-87410-141-7 Preis: EUR 29,80 Inhaltsverzeichnis || Bestellen Die hier erstmals vollst?ndig publizierten Biographien belegen als solche die Kontinuit?t indologischer Forschung und Lehre in Marburg. Sie entstanden als Referate von Studenten in den Jahren 1962-64 unter dem auch fachgeschichtlich interessierten Ordinarius Wilhelm Rau. Von drei dieser ber?hmten Indologen zeichnen sie Leben, Werk, wissenschaftliche Verdienste und heute noch aktuellen Wert nach. Carl Cappeller (1840-1925) haben vor allem seine W?rterb?cher neben den Schriften ?ber indische Kunstdichtung bekannt gemacht. Aus dem riesigen Werk von Moriz Winternitz (1863-1937) ist die immer und auch heute unverzichtbare Geschichte der indischen Litteratur hervorzuheben. Sein Werksverzeichnis umfasst ?ber 50 Jahre reichster Ver?ffentlichungst?tigkeit. Auch Theodor Zachariaes (1851-1934) haupts?chliches Forschungsgebiet ist die Lexikographie. Seine ?bedeutendste Publikation" Die indischen W?rterb?cher erschien 1897 in Band I des Grundri? der Indo-Arischen Philologie und Altertumskunde. http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb10/iksl/indologie/fachgebiet/im >NEW BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT > >Indologie im Umbruch >Zur Geschichte des Faches in Marburg 1845-1945 > >Antrittsvorlesung von J?rgen Hanneder > >M?nchen 2010 >Indologica Marpurgensia, vol. I >P. Kirchheim Verlag >paperback, 89 pp. >ISBN: 978-3-87410-140-0 >Price: EUR 24,95 > > >SUMMARY (in German) > >Viele der kleinen Indologien in Deutschland waren wissenschaftliche >Schwergewichte, welche die internationale Forschungslandschaft >dominierten. Mit den idealen Betreuungsverh?ltnissen von ?Elite- >Universit?ten", welche geringe Studentenzahlen erm?glichen, konnten sie die >n?chste Forschergeneration ausbilden, die enorme Fortschritte in der >Erforschung der Geschichte des indischen Kulturraumes erzielten. Dennoch >mussten sie immer wieder um die Besetzung der meist einzigen Stelle in >einem Institut bangen und sich f?r die kleine Zahl von Studenten oder ihr >vermeintlich unbedeutendes, ineffektives Fach rechtfertigen - daran hat sich >bis heute nichts ge?ndert. Indologie im Umbruch: Zur Geschichte des Faches >in Marburg 1845-1945 erz?hlt die Geschichte eines dieser Standorte von >seiner Gr?ndung im Jahre 1845 bis zum Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs, jedoch >mit einem kleinen Ausblick auf j?ngere Entwicklungen. Besonders >ber?cksichtigt wird dabei die Entwicklung der Indologie und ihre >Inanspruchnahme f?r ideologische Zwecke im Nationalsozialismus. > > >CONTENTS >Ein Loch in der Zeit. 7 >Wozu indische Philologie? 9 >Johannes Gildemeister. 17 >Ferdinand Justi und Albert Thumb. 23 >Karl Friedrich Geldner. 27 >Hanns Oertel und Jacob Wilhelm Hauer. 37 >Die Indologie im Nationalsozialismus. 43 >Johannes Nobel. 63 >Anhang. 73 > > >For more details please see here: >http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb10/iksl/indologie/fachgebiet/im > > >________________________________________ > >? ? Dr. Dragomir Dimitrov >? ? Indologie und Tibetologie >? ? Philipps-Universit?t Marburg >? ? Deutschhausstr. 12 >? ? 35032 Marburg >? ? Germany > >? ? Tel.: +49 6421 28 24640, +49 178 9190340 >? ? E-mail: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de >? ? http://www.uni-marburg.de/indologie >________________________________________ -- http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle http://belgianindology.blogs.lalibre.be/ -- Sign-up to Dropbox using the following link and get 2.25 gigabytes of storage free. http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTEwOTE3Nzg1OQ From franceschini.marco at FASTWEBNET.IT Mon Oct 25 15:15:40 2010 From: franceschini.marco at FASTWEBNET.IT (Marco Franceschini) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 10 17:15:40 +0200 Subject: Publication announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090630.23782.996417392153560574.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list members, I'm very pleased to announce the publication of my book (in Italian): Buddhaghosa, Padyacudamani (Il diadema dei versi), a cura di Marco Franceschini, Milano, Edizioni Ariele, 2010. Pp. 350, ISBN 978-88-86480-95-6, EUR 26,00. Contents: 1. Introduzione 2. Traduzione e note 3. 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(from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 27 11:17:13 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 10 13:17:13 +0200 Subject: INDOLOGY and SARIT server migration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227090638.23782.2657573886861608403.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The migration of the INDOLOGY.info website, and subdomains, from California to Vienna took place a couple of hours ago, and there have been no problems so far. We have taken the opportunity to upgrade the Philologic sofware that runs the SARIT.indology.info service. Most changes will be invisible (details here ). One cosmetic, but still nice change is that the normal search results are displayed in proportional font, while the KWIC results are displayed in a fixed-width font. This means that the columns line up properly, and the KWIC display makes immediate sense, visually. See attached screenshots. Many thanks to Patrick Mc Allister, for his technical assistance in making this transition successful. Best wishes, Dominik Wujastyk Committee member, SARIT, INDOLOGY On 20 October 2010 21:19, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > The server on which the INDOLOGY.info website is hosted (along with > BOMBAY.indology.info, SARIT.indology.info, FAQ.indology.info, etc.) will > be changing next week. We're moving from a hosting company in California to > one in Austria that offers some advantages. The change will be made at 11am > Central European Time, on Wednesday 27th October. > > If all goes well, the change will not be noticeable. There will be no > change in the public addresses (indology.info etc.). The change has no > connection with this INDOLOGY discussion forum (which continues to be > generously hosted by Liverpool University). However, it seems wise to give > notice, in case of the unforeseen. > > Best, > Dominik Wujastyk > SARIT, INDOLOGY. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sarit-search.png Type: image/png Size: 146304 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sarit-kwic.png Type: image/png Size: 160312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Wed Oct 27 21:11:35 2010 From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 10 17:11:35 -0400 Subject: Gita in Maltese Message-ID: <161227090643.23782.17028924859683677158.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, As my friends in Malta tell me: you will be pleased to hear that the Gita has now also been translated into Maltese, and that into Malti safi "pure Maltese". As many will know, Maltese is a European language derived from Arabic, but due the history of the islands, is has heavily been influenced by Italian and English. The translation by the scholar and poet Michael Zammit studiously avoids such loan words. While it may be beyond most Indologists to understand Arabic and thus Maltese, I recommend to take a listen to the website. Each of the 18 chapters is preceded by about 1/3 of commentary --- and that can be followed due to the many Italian loans. In the early 1980s our colleague W. Callewaert counted 1900 translations of the Gita. How many by now? Cheers, M. WItzel ============ Michael Witzel witzel at fas.harvard.edu Dept. of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University 1 Bow Street, Cambridge MA 02138, USA phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, 496 8570, fax 617 - 496 8571; my direct line: 617- 496 2990 From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Thu Oct 28 08:11:13 2010 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 10 10:11:13 +0200 Subject: Purana/All-India Kashiraj Trust In-Reply-To: <8B1256A9-7E50-436E-9455-1396CBB9ABD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <161227090648.23782.11505333795576985228.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Am 28.10.2010 03:57, schrieb Will Sweetman: > Our serials librarian has asked me to find out whether the All-India Kashiraj Trust is still actively publishing Purana, which our library has not received since 2004. I'd be grateful for any information about the series, or an email address or other recent contact information for the publishers. The last issue in our library is: Vol. 49, Nos. 1-2 [combined], 2007. The only contact address I see is that of the main editor, R. K. Sharma (i.e. R?mkara? ?arm?) printed on the back of the cover. Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 D-53113 Bonn From athr at LOC.GOV Thu Oct 28 17:58:32 2010 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 10 13:58:32 -0400 Subject: Purana/All-India Kashiraj Trust In-Reply-To: <4CC93021.6040406@uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: <161227090650.23782.6989459967623191912.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The last bound vol. in our OPAC is 2005. I have asked the office in New Delhi to tell me if there are more recent issues accumulating for binding, and if we have not been getting it, to enquire why. Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian and Team Coordinator South Asia Team Asian Division Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4810 USA tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Peter Wyzlic Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:11 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Purana/All-India Kashiraj Trust Am 28.10.2010 03:57, schrieb Will Sweetman: > Our serials librarian has asked me to find out whether the All-India Kashiraj Trust is still actively publishing Purana, which our library has not received since 2004. I'd be grateful for any information about the series, or an email address or other recent contact information for the publishers. The last issue in our library is: Vol. 49, Nos. 1-2 [combined], 2007. The only contact address I see is that of the main editor, R. K. Sharma (i.e. R?mkara? ?arm?) printed on the back of the cover. Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 D-53113 Bonn From will.sweetman at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 28 01:57:58 2010 From: will.sweetman at GMAIL.COM (Will Sweetman) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 10 14:57:58 +1300 Subject: Purana/All-India Kashiraj Trust Message-ID: <161227090645.23782.10579670615285164706.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Our serials librarian has asked me to find out whether the All-India Kashiraj Trust is still actively publishing Purana, which our library has not received since 2004. I'd be grateful for any information about the series, or an email address or other recent contact information for the publishers. Thanks, Will -- Will Sweetman University of Otago will.sweetman at gmail.com From filipsky at RZONE.CZ Fri Oct 29 08:41:12 2010 From: filipsky at RZONE.CZ (=?utf-8?Q?Jan_Filipsk=C3=BD?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 10 10:41:12 +0200 Subject: Crows_Ravens in Indian Culture Message-ID: <161227090653.23782.8152642008277776958.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, I already addressed this List some time ago in connection with "crow lore" (divination based on observing the flight of crows - vayasavidya) in India / South Asia and gratefully received several valuable inputs. In continuation of my query, I ask any knowledgeable colleague kindly to supply (perhaps off-list) possible textual references to the crow (raven) bearing the secret of the origin of things (being itself created out of the primeval chaos) and the secret of hell (since it dwelt for many aeons in the infernal realms) - see, B. Walker, Hindu World, MRML 1983. Any visual representations of crows in Indian art? Last but not least, there are 3 references to Kr?he (174, 213, 515) in the Index to the W?rterbuch der mittelalterlichen indischen Alchemie by Oliver Hellwig (eJIM Supplement 2), Barkhuis 2009. Could anybody who has easy access to this resource supply (off-list) the respective extracts. With many thanks, Jan Filipsky From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 29 14:26:45 2010 From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 10 16:26:45 +0200 Subject: Max Planck institute Message-ID: <161227090656.23782.1449499095333016300.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ------------- forwarded message ----------------- From: "Anthony T. Grafton" Date: October 28, 2010 9:27:40 PM EDT To: Sheldon Pollock Subject: max planck institute Dear Shelly, The listing that follows is for a two-year position in a research project that Glenn Most and I will be organizing at the Max Planck Institute for History of Science in Berlin, to examine in a comparative way the history of textual practices in several cultures: http://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/en/news/jobs.html We hope that junior scholars in many fields that have elaborate textual traditions will apply, and were wondering if there is a particular web site where we could have this posted, and where it would be likely to attract the attention of young South Asian scholars. [...] Thanks so much. Yours, Tony Anthony Grafton Department of History Princeton University 129 Dickinson Hall Princeton NJ 08544 tel: 609 258 4182/4159 fax: 609 258 5326 Center Manager: Barbara Leavey tel: 609 258 5893 email: blleavey at princeton.edu From michael.zimmermann at UNI-HAMBURG.DE Fri Oct 29 19:48:59 2010 From: michael.zimmermann at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Michael Zimmermann) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 10 21:48:59 +0200 Subject: New Book: Analayo's "The Genesis of the Bodhisattva Ideal" Message-ID: <161227090658.23782.17060114400744579155.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> New Book Series started by the Center for Buddhist Studies at Hamburg University Buddhism has enjoyed a prominent place in the study of Asian religious ideas at Hamburg University for almost 100 years, ever since the birth of Buddhist Studies in Germany. With the publication series "Hamburg Buddhist Studies," the Center for Buddhist Studies at Hamburg University aims to honor this long-standing commitment to research and share the results of this tradition with the community of scholars and the wider public. The new series of "Hamburg Buddhist Studies" will also contribute to opening up Buddhist Studies to those who are not necessarily trained in the classical languages of the Buddhist traditions but want to approach the field with their own disciplinary interests in mind. Vol 1: Analayo: The Genesis of the Bodhisattva Ideal ( http://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/index.php?id=105&L=1 ) In this book, Bhikkhu Analayo investigates the genesis of the bodhisattva ideal, one of the most important concepts in the history of Buddhist thought. He brings together material from the corpus of the early discourses preserved mainly in Pali and Chinese that appear to have influenced the arising of the bodhisattva ideal. Analayo convincingly shows that the early sources do not present compassionate concern for others as a motivating force for the Buddha's quest for awakening. He further offers an analysis of the only reference to Maitreya in the Pali canon, showing that this reference is most likely a later addition. In sum, Bhikkhu Analayo is able to delineate a gradual genesis of central aspects of the bodhisattva ideal by documenting (1) an evolution in the bodhisattva concept reflected in the early discourses, (2) the emergence of the notion of a vow to pursue the path to buddhahood, and (3) the possible background for the idea of a prediction an aspirant to buddhahood receives from a former buddha. 179 pages, ISBN 978-3-937816-62-3, Hamburg University Press. The volume is freely available online or can be ordered by mail (EUR 22.80). ------------------------------------------ Michael Zimmermann Barbara Schuler Center for Buddhist Studies University of Hamburg Alsterterrasse 1 20354 Hamburg, Germany phone: +49-(0)40-42838-4831 www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de From dimitrov at STAFF.UNI-MARBURG.DE Sat Oct 30 22:08:07 2010 From: dimitrov at STAFF.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Dragomir Dimitrov) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 10 00:08:07 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK: The Bhaik=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=A3uk=C4=AB_Manuscript_of_the_Candr=C4=81la=E1=B9=83k=C4=81ra?= Message-ID: <161227090661.23782.17860679511318800207.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> NEW BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT The Bhaik?uk? Manuscript of the Candr?la?k?ra Study, Script Tables, and Facsimile Edition By Dragomir Dimitrov Cambridge, Mass. 2010 Harvard Oriental Series, Vol. 72 Gebundene Ausgabe, xiv, 196 pp. ISBN: 978-0-674-05138-6 Price: EUR 22.50 / USD 25.00 / GBP 18.95 SUMMARY This volume discusses the Bhaik?uk? manuscript of the Candr?la?k?ra (?Ornament of the Moon?), a commentarial treatise of the twelfth century based on the C?ndravy?kara?a (fifth century), Candragomin?s seminal Buddhist grammar of Sanskrit. The book offers an overview of the discovery of the Bhaik?uk? script, along with a description of all available written sources. The detailed study of the fragmentary codex unicus of the Candr?la?k?ra is accompanied by a facsimile edition and extensive tables of the Bhaik?uk? script. The Buddhist author of the commentary has been identified for the first time, and the nature of his treatise and its position in the C?ndra school of grammar have been expounded. The history of the manuscript and newly discovered traces of the Bhaik?uk? script in Tibet have also been discussed. This publication will serve as a prolegomenon for the preparation of a critical edition of the Candr?la?k?ra, which until now was believed to have been lost irretrievably. The Bhaik?uk? Manuscript of the Candr?la?k?ra will appeal to specialists with interests in a variety of fields such as Indian palaeography, grammar, Buddhism, history, and Indo-Tibetan studies. CONTENTS List of Illustrations. ix Abbreviations. x Acknowledgements. xi CHAPTER ONE: INTRODUCTION. 1 1.1 The Discovery of the Bhaik?uk? script. 3 1.2 The Sindhura Script. 6 1.3 Preliminary Analysis of the Candr?la?k?ra Manuscript. 9 1.4 Inscriptions in the Bhaik?uk? Script. 12 1.5 Manuscripts in the Bhaik?uk? Script. 15 CHAPTER TWO: THE CANDR?LA?K?RA AND ITS MANUSCRIPT. 23 2.1 The Candr?la?k?ra. 25 2.2 Further Traces of the Bhaik?uk? Script in Tibet. 50 2.3 Letter-Numerals in the Bhaik?uk? Script. 53 2.4 The Order of the Folios of the Candr?la?k?ra Manuscript. 61 CHAPTER THREE: SCRIPT TABLES. 71 3.1 Tables of the Bhaik?uk? Script. 73 3.2 Palaeographic peculiarities. 117 3.3 Conclusion. 119 APPENDIX: Facsimile Edition of the Candr?la?k?ra Manuscript. 121 BIBLIOGRAPHY. 181 INDEX. 193 For further details see here: http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674051386 ________________________________________ Dr. Dragomir Dimitrov Indologie und Tibetologie Philipps-Universit?t Marburg Deutschhausstr. 12 35032 Marburg Germany Tel.: +49 6421 28 24640, +49 178 9190340 E-mail: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de http://www.uni-marburg.de/indologie ________________________________________