From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Sat May  1 09:01:48 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 01 May 10 11:01:48 +0200
Subject: Manuscript publication finance swindle at Sampurnanand Sanskrit              University, Varanasi
Message-ID: <161227089433.23782.6128342732424749650.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

 Publication scam: Matter recommended to
state<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/Publication-scam-Matter-recommended-to-state/articleshow/5878160.cms>
Times of India
VARANASI: With the exposure of a publication scam of over Rs 10.40 crore,
the Executive Council of Sampurnanand *Sanskrit* University (SSU) has
recommended ...




From veerankp at GMAIL.COM  Sat May  1 12:22:44 2010
From: veerankp at GMAIL.COM (Veeranarayana Pandurangi)
Date: Sat, 01 May 10 17:52:44 +0530
Subject: Manuscript publication finance swindle at Sampurnanand              Sanskrit University, Varanasi
In-Reply-To: <o2nd1c0c7391005010201k69ca3d5fodb1dfea61fde14b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089436.23782.10667024827184790373.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

it is really to be condemned by all
veeranarayana

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Publication scam: Matter recommended to
> state<
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/Publication-scam-Matter-recommended-to-state/articleshow/5878160.cms
> >
> Times of India
> VARANASI: With the exposure of a publication scam of over Rs 10.40 crore,
> the Executive Council of Sampurnanand *Sanskrit* University (SSU) has
> recommended ...
>



-- 
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post
Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.

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??????????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ???????????????
?????? ???????? ??????????? (?.??.)




From ocattedra at YAHOO.COM.AR  Sun May  2 16:43:10 2010
From: ocattedra at YAHOO.COM.AR (olivia cattedra)
Date: Sun, 02 May 10 09:43:10 -0700
Subject: K=?iso-8859-15?Q?=E2thasarits=E2gara?=
In-Reply-To: <x2v965fdc5f1005010522o65241019ha4250313df9f2c28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089439.23782.8136127856249236370.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear 
Colleagues
I am looking for 
information on modern works on the Ocean of Stories, K?thasarits?gara, 
any ideas? thank you very much

  

Dra. Olivia Cattedra

CONICET - FASTA

Mar del Plata - Argentina


      




From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun May  2 16:50:27 2010
From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU)
Date: Sun, 02 May 10 11:50:27 -0500
Subject: K=?iso-8859-15?Q?=E2thasarits=E2gara?=
In-Reply-To: <829792.80894.qm@web113517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227089442.23782.17112627413183657647.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

you might start with the recent French translation,
under the direction of Nalini Balbir,
in the collection of the Pleiades (Paris: Gallimard).

Matthew T. Kapstein
Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies
The University of Chicago Divinity School

Directeur d'?tudes
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris




From adheesh1 at GMAIL.COM  Sun May  2 21:07:49 2010
From: adheesh1 at GMAIL.COM (Adheesh Sathaye)
Date: Sun, 02 May 10 14:07:49 -0700
Subject: Announcement: 3rd Int'l Ramayana Conference,              Northern Illinois Univ. - Sept. 18-19, 2010
In-Reply-To: <A262F74B-8880-4526-8452-1BF01F44EBA8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089448.23782.13924973762477525073.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

I'm forwarding this announcement on behalf of the conference  
organizers. Please do reply to the contact info indicated below!

Best,

Adheesh


----
Adheesh Sathaye
Department of Asian Studies
University of British Columbia


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Northern Illinois University, DeKalb (NIU), University of Illinois at  
Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) and International Ramayana Institute of North  
America (IRINA) are holding the Third International Ramayana  
Conference at the DeKalb campus of NIU in the United States on  
September 18-19, 2010. Scholarly papers are invited for the conference.

We look forward to receiving the paper before Monday, May 17, 2010.

For details on the conference, registration, and abstract submission,  
visit: www.cseas.niu.edu/CSEAS/conferences/Ramayana/

Kindly pass this information on to your colleagues who may be  
interested in this conference.

Please submit the required abstract information to:

Anne M. Petty Johnson, MS Ed Associate
Northern Illinois University
College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
External Programming
Monat Building, Room 152
DeKalb, IL  60115
(815) 753-5200
e-mail: RamayanaConference at niu.edu

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From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Sun May  2 20:53:01 2010
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav)
Date: Sun, 02 May 10 16:53:01 -0400
Subject: pa=?utf-8?Q?=C3=B1cagranth=C4=AB?= brahmin?
Message-ID: <161227089445.23782.3057068837752987132.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

     While the term da?agranth? brahmin is well known and refers to a brahmin who has studied the four Vedas and the six Ved??gas, I have come across the term pa?cagranth? brahmin in one of the sources.  Has anybody encountered this term, and, if so, what might these five granthas be?  Best,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104-1608, USA
________________________________________
From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Deshpande, Madhav [mmdesh at UMICH.EDU]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:59 PM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: contact info for Stephan Hillyer Levitt?

I would appreciate if someone could provide me contact information for Stephan Hillyer Levitt (New York).  He was a class-mate of mine at the University of Pennsylvania.

Madhav M. Deshpande

________________________________________




From h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX  Mon May  3 19:03:59 2010
From: h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Mon, 03 May 10 12:03:59 -0700
Subject: Please Looking for?
In-Reply-To: <d1c0c7391003130756l30627c3cye4a7be8228b9a93f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089451.23782.577700736106149778.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear professors:
Please accept my most sincere greetings. I would ask to you fine persons, your most honest and professional opinion on the information found in Wikepedia, as a reliable source with sufficient academic quality about Indology.
Thanking all of you for your fine generosity.
Your sincere fellow.
Lic. M.A. Horacio Francisco Arganis Ju?rez
Catedr?tico Investigador de la Universidad
Internacional Euroamericana.
Departamento de Filosof?a y Religi?n Comparada.
Miembro del Instituto de Estudios Filos?ficos de Saltillo A. C.
www.uie.edu.es


--- El s?b 13-mar-10, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at GMAIL.COM> escribi?:

> De: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at GMAIL.COM>
> Asunto: Fwd: Sanskrit Manuscripts in South Indian Scripts: the van Manen Collection
> A: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Fecha: s?bado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 15:56
>  ---------- Forwarded message
> ----------
> From: Rath, S. <S.Rath at iias.nl>
> Date: 9 March 2010 00:35
> Subject: Sanskrit Manuscripts in South Indian Scripts: the
> van Manen
> Collection
> 
> Dear Dominik,
> 
> As you know that I have been working on the south indian
> manuscripts of the
> Johan van Manen collection, Leiden. At present I would like
> to make the
> complete list of titles of the texts (588) found in this
> collection
> available to those interested. Several new texts have been
> identified which
> were not in the preliminary hand-list published by H. 't
> Hart in 1992. My
> complete catalogue which gives more detailed information on
> the manuscripts
> is under preparation and will be published soon.
> Could you please forward the following link to the Indology
> List ?
> http://www.iias.nl/profile/saraju-rath
> With thanks and best regards,
> 
> Saraju
> 
> Dr. Saraju Rath
> International Institute for Asian Studies (IIAS)
> Postbox no. 9500
> 2300 RA Leiden
> The Netherlands
> Tel. 0031-71-5274147
> email: s.rath at iias.nl
> 


      




From beitel at GWU.EDU  Tue May  4 15:43:47 2010
From: beitel at GWU.EDU (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Tue, 04 May 10 11:43:47 -0400
Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
In-Reply-To: <4B966F86.9070307@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089457.23782.10862876109194492226.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hi Don. 

I am trying to clean things up (esp. bibliography) to submit the big Dharma book. Do you have a complete (published) reference for your atmatushti article? And if possible an electronic copy of it?

All best,
Alf. 

Alf Hiltebeitel
Professor of Religion and Human Sciences
Department of Religion
2106 G Street, NW
George Washington University
Washington DC 20052

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald R Davis Jr <drdavis at WISC.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:56 am
Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk


> Dear Colleagues,
>  
>  I am pleased to announce the publication of the following book:
>  
>  Donald R. Davis, Jr. The Spirit of Hindu Law. Cambridge: Cambridge 
> UP, 2010.
>  <www.cambridge.org/9780521877046>
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Don Davis
>  Dept of Languages & Cultures of Asia
>  University of Wisconsin-Madison 




From jrasik at COLMEX.MX  Tue May  4 17:14:25 2010
From: jrasik at COLMEX.MX (Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi)
Date: Tue, 04 May 10 12:14:25 -0500
Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
Message-ID: <161227089459.23782.1253324870231155723.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thank you. I have just published "Laksmii-Nrsimha-Sahasra-Nama-Stotra"
in two vlumes with English translation. I will bring a copy for you in
the second week of June 2010. With regatds,
Rasik Vihari Joshi

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] En nombre de Alfred
Hiltebeitel
Enviado el: Martes, 04 de Mayo de 2010 10:44 a.m.
Para: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Asunto: Re: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law


Hi Don. 

I am trying to clean things up (esp. bibliography) to submit the big
Dharma book. Do you have a complete (published) reference for your
atmatushti article? And if possible an electronic copy of it?

All best,
Alf. 

Alf Hiltebeitel
Professor of Religion and Human Sciences
Department of Religion
2106 G Street, NW
George Washington University
Washington DC 20052

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald R Davis Jr <drdavis at WISC.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:56 am
Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk


> Dear Colleagues,
>  
>  I am pleased to announce the publication of the following book:
>  
>  Donald R. Davis, Jr. The Spirit of Hindu Law. Cambridge: Cambridge
> UP, 2010.
>  <www.cambridge.org/9780521877046>
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Don Davis
>  Dept of Languages & Cultures of Asia
>  University of Wisconsin-Madison




From beitel at GWU.EDU  Tue May  4 17:53:53 2010
From: beitel at GWU.EDU (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Tue, 04 May 10 13:53:53 -0400
Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
In-Reply-To: <de9f8ccf10ff6.4be00873@gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089462.23782.2506977108999398656.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My regrets for sending what I thought would be a direct note to all.

Alf Hiltebeitel
Professor of Religion and Human Sciences
Department of Religion
2106 G Street, NW
George Washington University
Washington DC 20052

----- Original Message -----
From: Alfred Hiltebeitel <beitel at gwu.edu>
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:43 am
Subject: Re: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk


> Hi Don. 
>  
>  I am trying to clean things up (esp. bibliography) to submit the big 
> Dharma book. Do you have a complete (published) reference for your 
> atmatushti article? And if possible an electronic copy of it?
>  
>  All best,
>  Alf. 
>  
>  Alf Hiltebeitel
>  Professor of Religion and Human Sciences
>  Department of Religion
>  2106 G Street, NW
>  George Washington University
>  Washington DC 20052
>  
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Donald R Davis Jr <drdavis at WISC.EDU>
>  Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:56 am
>  Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
>  To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>  
>  
>  > Dear Colleagues,
>  >  
>  >  I am pleased to announce the publication of the following book:
>  >  
>  >  Donald R. Davis, Jr. The Spirit of Hindu Law. Cambridge: Cambridge 
> 
>  > UP, 2010.
>  >  <www.cambridge.org/9780521877046>
>  >  
>  >  Best regards,
>  >  
>  >  Don Davis
>  >  Dept of Languages & Cultures of Asia
>  >  University of Wisconsin-Madison  




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Tue May  4 13:41:16 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 04 May 10 15:41:16 +0200
Subject: Job advertisement, Vienna
Message-ID: <161227089454.23782.6155304503588043085.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

All responses to the address below, please.

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From drdavis at WISC.EDU  Tue May  4 20:43:16 2010
From: drdavis at WISC.EDU (Donald R Davis Jr)
Date: Tue, 04 May 10 15:43:16 -0500
Subject: Atmatushti
In-Reply-To: <27616_1273001283_ZZg0Y515PpevI.00_1636508964.19694861273001277173.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <161227089467.23782.12805289686167699126.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear George,

Alf was asking about this article of mine, which I'm happy to send to 
anyone interested.

2007. ?On ?tmatu??i as a Source of Dharma.? Journal of the American 
Oriental Society 127:3, 279-296.

Best, Don

gthomgt at COMCAST.NET wrote:
> Dear List, 
>
>
>
> Would anyone be averse to seeing a full reference to this article or even having access to a pdf of it? 
>
>
>
> Sometimes fortuitous events like this can be for fortunate. 
>
>
>
> George Thompson 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alfred Hiltebeitel" <beitel at GWU.EDU> 
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:53:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law 
>
> My regrets for sending what I thought would be a direct note to all. 
>
> Alf Hiltebeitel 
> Professor of Religion and Human Sciences 
> Department of Religion 
> 2106 G Street, NW 
> George Washington University 
> Washington DC 20052 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Alfred Hiltebeitel <beitel at gwu.edu> 
> Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:43 am 
> Subject: Re: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law 
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 
>
>
>   
>> Hi Don. 
>>   
>>  I am trying to clean things up (esp. bibliography) to submit the big 
>> Dharma book. Do you have a complete (published) reference for your 
>> atmatushti article? And if possible an electronic copy of it? 
>>   
>>  All best, 
>>  Alf. 
>>   
>>  Alf Hiltebeitel 
>>  Professor of Religion and Human Sciences 
>>  Department of Religion 
>>  2106 G Street, NW 
>>  George Washington University 
>>  Washington DC 20052 
>>   
>>  
>>     




From gthomgt at COMCAST.NET  Tue May  4 19:27:57 2010
From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET (gthomgt at COMCAST.NET)
Date: Tue, 04 May 10 19:27:57 +0000
Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law
In-Reply-To: <935784181.19693821273001175929.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <161227089465.23782.762114695749951739.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List, 



Would anyone be averse to seeing a full reference to this article or even having access to a pdf of it? 



Sometimes fortuitous events like this can be for fortunate. 



George Thompson 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alfred Hiltebeitel" <beitel at GWU.EDU> 
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:53:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law 

My regrets for sending what I thought would be a direct note to all. 

Alf Hiltebeitel 
Professor of Religion and Human Sciences 
Department of Religion 
2106 G Street, NW 
George Washington University 
Washington DC 20052 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alfred Hiltebeitel <beitel at gwu.edu> 
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:43 am 
Subject: Re: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law 
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 


> Hi Don. 
> ? 
> ?I am trying to clean things up (esp. bibliography) to submit the big 
> Dharma book. Do you have a complete (published) reference for your 
> atmatushti article? And if possible an electronic copy of it? 
> ? 
> ?All best, 
> ?Alf. 
> ? 
> ?Alf Hiltebeitel 
> ?Professor of Religion and Human Sciences 
> ?Department of Religion 
> ?2106 G Street, NW 
> ?George Washington University 
> ?Washington DC 20052 
> ? 
> ?----- Original Message ----- 
> ?From: Donald R Davis Jr <drdavis at WISC.EDU> 
> ?Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:56 am 
> ?Subject: Publication Announcement-The Spirit of Hindu Law 
> ?To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 
> ? 
> ? 
> ?> Dear Colleagues, 
> ?> ? 
> ?> ?I am pleased to announce the publication of the following book: 
> ?> ? 
> ?> ?Donald R. Davis, Jr. The Spirit of Hindu Law. Cambridge: Cambridge 
> 
> ?> UP, 2010. 
> ?> ?<www.cambridge.org/9780521877046> 
> ?> ? 
> ?> ?Best regards, 
> ?> ? 
> ?> ?Don Davis 
> ?> ?Dept of Languages & Cultures of Asia 
> ?> ?University of Wisconsin-Madison ? 




From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed May  5 06:48:46 2010
From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU)
Date: Wed, 05 May 10 01:48:46 -0500
Subject: K=?iso-8859-15?Q?=E2thasarits=E2gara?=
In-Reply-To: <m2keb9fe2f81005042224k1e394b30n85b68be82a16b641@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089473.23782.16497472294991068963.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


Arshia Sattar's lovely volume is an abridgement intended
for general readers. The Pleiade French addition is
complete, with much of interest to a more specialized
readership.

Matthew T. Kapstein
Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies
The University of Chicago Divinity School

Directeur d'?tudes
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris




From venetia.ansell at GMAIL.COM  Wed May  5 05:24:13 2010
From: venetia.ansell at GMAIL.COM (venetia ansell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 10 10:54:13 +0530
Subject: K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E2thasarits=E2gara?=
In-Reply-To: <20100502115027.CNM14915@m4500-02.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089470.23782.5575392338273120681.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Arshia Sattar brought out a translation a few years ago, Penguin India I
think.

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, <mkapstei at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> you might start with the recent French translation,
> under the direction of Nalini Balbir,
> in the collection of the Pleiades (Paris: Gallimard).
>
> Matthew T. Kapstein
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies
> The University of Chicago Divinity School
>
> Directeur d'?tudes
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
>




From gthomgt at COMCAST.NET  Wed May  5 13:49:25 2010
From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET (gthomgt at COMCAST.NET)
Date: Wed, 05 May 10 13:49:25 +0000
Subject: Atmatushti
In-Reply-To: <4BE086E4.6000702@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089476.23782.7285487686379361558.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Don, 



Thank you very much for your article and your generosity. 



And best wishes to you! 



George 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald R Davis Jr" <drdavis at WISC.EDU> 
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 4:43:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Atmatushti 

Dear George, 

Alf was asking about this article of mine, which I'm happy to send to 
anyone interested. 

2007. ?On ?tmatu??i as a Source of Dharma.? Journal of the American 
Oriental Society 127:3, 279-296. 

Best, Don 




From hwtull at MSN.COM  Thu May  6 10:18:01 2010
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Thu, 06 May 10 06:18:01 -0400
Subject: ramanuja gita bhasya
In-Reply-To: <y2l3bb75afd1005052132t53204e5bgc9fb6cb2abb1df47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089481.23782.6443564446358662544.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

If you go to the "gita supersite" (just do a google search, there is an 
easy-to-use beta: <http://202.3.77.102/acquia/?q=node/69>), you can easily 
generate downloadable pdf files in devanagari of Ramanuja's commentary. 
Just click the necessary boxes.  However, it generates just one chapter per 
file.

Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "patrick mccartney" <hopeforageneration at GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:32 AM
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: ramanuja gita bhasya

> Dear List,
>
> does anyone know where I can find a pdf of Ramanuja's Gita Bhasya in
> Devanagari?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- 
> Patrick McCartney -
> PO Box  704
> Walkerville
> South Australia 5081
> SKYPE:  cranky-mechanic
>
> ?? ????? ???????
> tava hRdayaM anugaccha
> Follow your heart
> 




From hopeforageneration at GMAIL.COM  Thu May  6 04:32:45 2010
From: hopeforageneration at GMAIL.COM (patrick mccartney)
Date: Thu, 06 May 10 14:02:45 +0930
Subject: ramanuja gita bhasya
Message-ID: <161227089479.23782.9542761700298851052.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List,

does anyone know where I can find a pdf of Ramanuja's Gita Bhasya in
Devanagari?

Thanks,

-- 
Patrick McCartney -
PO Box  704
Walkerville
South Australia 5081
SKYPE:  cranky-mechanic

?? ????? ???????
tava hRdayaM anugaccha
Follow your heart




From slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU  Fri May  7 12:32:29 2010
From: slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU (Steven Lindquist)
Date: Fri, 07 May 10 07:32:29 -0500
Subject: Murthy Classical Library Series in Outlook
Message-ID: <161227089484.23782.11754963161153129101.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

FYI:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?265258

--
Steven Lindquist, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies 
Southern Methodist University
Homepage: http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui
--




From tccahill at LOYNO.EDU  Fri May  7 15:43:40 2010
From: tccahill at LOYNO.EDU (tccahill)
Date: Fri, 07 May 10 09:43:40 -0600
Subject: host gift
Message-ID: <161227089489.23782.8334362719109320914.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

... apart
> from dAna and pratidAna, is there any specific term for
> host or hostess gift in Sanskrit? And does anybody know
> (specific!) text references and/or secondary literature
> regarding this topic? I am aware of most dAna literature.

See Ludo Rocher's edition and translation:
*Jiimuutavaahana's Daayabhaaga; The Hindu Law of Inheritance
in Bengal* Oxford, 2002.

On p. 137, n. 9 of the translation he writes: 
"A welcoming present" (maadhuparkika) ... is the present
which some guests receive along with a welcoming madhuparka,
"honey-based mixture." 

On p. 311 of the text, Rocher provides the verse on lines
five and six. The word "maadhuparkika" occurs on line two,
towards the end. After that he includes the reference to
Manu (M. 9.206). This might be useful in case your student
would like to read commentaries on who is deserving of the
madhuparka offering. I'm afraid I can't provide specific
reference to those.

   If "host gift" means something to be presented *to* the
host, well, I don't know anything about that.

best,
Tim Cahill

Timothy C. Cahill
Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Religious Studies
Loyola University New Orleans
6363 St. Charles Ave.
New Orleans, LA  70118




From ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA  Fri May  7 17:13:19 2010
From: ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Fri, 07 May 10 10:13:19 -0700
Subject: host gift
In-Reply-To: <16838_1273240794_1273240794_397723.36783.qm@web27303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227089493.23782.10326008132169012756.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The terms upahaara and upaayana would come closest. I did not have time to
check if they occur in Dharma-;saastra literature. In a culture in which the
'senior : junior' relationship element is important in many contexts, the
use of such terms will naturally be nuanced, and we are unlikely to find a
term that fits all contexts (compare the case of 'thank you').

ashok aklujkar


On 10-05-07 6:59 AM, "Axel Michaels" <axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE> wrote:

> host gift ("Gastgeschenk") in the Dharmashastra<




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri May  7 15:52:11 2010
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 07 May 10 10:52:11 -0500
Subject: host gift
In-Reply-To: <397723.36783.qm@web27303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227089491.23782.17972023715410082834.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Axel: one term is "arghya" -- although it refers directly to the water with other stuff that is presented to the honored guest. Whether arghya involved other kinds of gifts at the same time is unclear.

Patrick



On May 7, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Axel Michaels wrote:

> A student of mine wants to do some reserach on the host gift ("Gastgeschenk") in the Dharmashastra. I should know but don't, and would therefore be grateful for help: apart from dAna and pratidAna, is there any specific term for host or hostess gift in Sanskrit? And does anybody know (specific!) text references and/or secondary literature regarding this topic? I am aware of most dAna literature.
> 
> AM
> ------------------------------
> Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
> Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context", Sprecher des SFB 619 ("Ritualdynamik")
> 
> Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut, Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg
> Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 
> http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/ -- www.ritualdynamik.uni-hd.de -- http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.html
> Emails: sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) -- Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) -- michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail)
> 




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri May  7 17:51:59 2010
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 07 May 10 12:51:59 -0500
Subject: host gift
In-Reply-To: <C809983F.4CEC%ashok.aklujkar@ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227089496.23782.18035900746087241252.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Upaayana as a gift is found in Arthasastra 2.8.3 and elsewhere (as also aupaayanika).

Patrick



On May 7, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Ashok Aklujkar wrote:

> The terms upahaara and upaayana would come closest. I did not have time to
> check if they occur in Dharma-;saastra literature. In a culture in which the
> 'senior : junior' relationship element is important in many contexts, the
> use of such terms will naturally be nuanced, and we are unlikely to find a
> term that fits all contexts (compare the case of 'thank you').
> 
> ashok aklujkar
> 
> 
> On 10-05-07 6:59 AM, "Axel Michaels" <axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE> wrote:
> 
>> host gift ("Gastgeschenk") in the Dharmashastra<




From axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE  Fri May  7 13:59:43 2010
From: axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE (Axel Michaels)
Date: Fri, 07 May 10 13:59:43 +0000
Subject: host gift
Message-ID: <161227089486.23782.9206636406927019929.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

A student of mine wants to do some reserach on the host gift ("Gastgeschenk") in the Dharmashastra. I should know but don't, and would therefore be grateful for help: apart from dAna and pratidAna, is there any specific term for host or hostess gift in Sanskrit? And does anybody know (specific!) text references and/or secondary literature regarding this topic? I am aware of most dAna literature.

AM
 ------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context", Sprecher des SFB 619 ("Ritualdynamik")

Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut, Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg
Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 
http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/ -- www.ritualdynamik.uni-hd.de -- http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.html
Emails: sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) -- Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) -- michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail)





From fritsstaal at BERKELEY.EDU  Sat May  8 13:51:29 2010
From: fritsstaal at BERKELEY.EDU (FRITS STAAL)
Date: Sat, 08 May 10 06:51:29 -0700
Subject: Brahmins as Musicians
In-Reply-To: <FA4779D359DE49C59C628480DD386029@SlajePC>
Message-ID: <161227089505.23782.9690674858547192786.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Don't forget that some brahmans - not a large percentage - are
Saamavedins. They do not recite but sing.


> ?r?vara, the Kashmirian court Pandit of Sultan Zayn (r. AD 1418/20-1470),
> was a noted Brahmin musician. His Rajatarangini (ed. Kaul 1966) abounds in
> references to musical performances, of which the one quoted below
> (1.4.34-36) deserves particular attention:
>
> [34][Being myself] an expert in music of all kinds, I took an [ordinary]
> gourd lute in my hand [and] by playing it displayed my skills in new
> musical
> modulations. [35]Others such as ?a?far [joined in] also and sang difficult
> Turkish tunes with me accompanied by the lute, in front of the Sul??n.
> [36]While we were singing a song in twelve [different] modes in the
> assembly, the tones [formed] from strings and voices seemed to reach
> perfect
> harmony out of [mutual] affection.
>
> As to the Gitagovinda, cp. 1.5.99f:
>
> [99]He then embarked on a boat surrounded by five or six boatswains and
> sailed out to Lake [Kramasaras], taking Bha??a Si?ha and me along with
> him.
> [100]When I sang the Sul??n songs from the G?tagovinda [there], he became
> immersed in love for K???a on listening to them, overcome with the
> particular sentiment [corresponding to my recital].
>
> Lake Kramasaras is mod. Konsar Nag (elevation c. 15,000 feet) below
> Naubandha Peak on the Pir Pantsal.
>
> Best, WS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan" <palaniappa at AOL.COM>
> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:50 PM
> Subject: Brahmins as Musicians
>
>
> Dear Indologists,
>
> I am interested in the history of orthodox Brahmins performing as
> musicians.
> Today the field of Carnatic music is dominated by South Indian Brahmins.
> South Indian Brahmins' involvement in music is traceable at least up to
> Madhava Vidyaranya. An early epigraphic record praising the musical
> ability
> of a Brahmin is that of the Western Chalukya king Somesvara of 11th
> century
> in Yewur in Karnataka . However, there does not seem to be any widespread
> brahmin participation in musicmaking at that time. Jayadeva comes a
> century
> later. I would like to know if the Bhagavatapurana and especially the
> Gitagovinda have anything to do with increasing Brahmin participation in
> musicmaking?
>
> Thank you in advance for any comments or references.
>
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
> ------------------------------
> Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
> Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar
> (Germany)
> www.indologie.uni-halle.de
>
> Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
> studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
> non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
> sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
> humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
> Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.
>


Frits Staal

http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/staal




From palaniappa at AOL.COM  Sat May  8 12:50:30 2010
From: palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sat, 08 May 10 07:50:30 -0500
Subject: Brahmins as Musicians
Message-ID: <161227089501.23782.15767017072861104245.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

I am interested in the history of orthodox Brahmins performing as musicians. Today the field of Carnatic music is dominated by South Indian Brahmins. South Indian Brahmins' involvement in music is traceable at least up to Madhava Vidyaranya. An early epigraphic record praising the musical ability of a Brahmin is that of the Western Chalukya king Somesvara of 11th century in Yewur in Karnataka . However, there does not seem to be any widespread brahmin participation in musicmaking at that time. Jayadeva comes a century later. I would like to know if the Bhagavatapurana and especially the Gitagovinda have anything to do with increasing Brahmin participation in musicmaking? 

Thank you in advance for any comments or references.

Regards,
Palaniappan




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Sat May  8 08:12:23 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 08 May 10 10:12:23 +0200
Subject: INDOLOGY list administrative matters
Message-ID: <161227089498.23782.1552428492375908881.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues,

A gentle reminder: please do not write to me personally about INDOLOGY
administrative matters; I am just one member of the committee.  The
appropriate address of the INDOLOGY committee is

   - indologycommittee at liverpool.ac.uk

With thanks,

Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Universit?t Wien
Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
A-1090 Vienna
Austria


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From hwtull at MSN.COM  Sat May  8 14:47:40 2010
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Sat, 08 May 10 10:47:40 -0400
Subject: host gift
In-Reply-To: <4be4352c.d1.34f0d6.17869@loyno.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089508.23782.3734887014777551752.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I would think he/she should be able to get some interesting information by 
looking at the term for "guest" (atithi)--references to the atithi are 
sprinkled throughout Vedic literature.  As Tim says, if it's the other way 
around...? (Maybe a bottle of merlot?)

Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "tccahill" <tccahill at LOYNO.EDU>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: host gift

> ... apart
>> from dAna and pratidAna, is there any specific term for
>> host or hostess gift in Sanskrit? And does anybody know
>> (specific!) text references and/or secondary literature
>> regarding this topic? I am aware of most dAna literature.
>
> See Ludo Rocher's edition and translation:
> *Jiimuutavaahana's Daayabhaaga; The Hindu Law of Inheritance
> in Bengal* Oxford, 2002.
>
> On p. 137, n. 9 of the translation he writes:
> "A welcoming present" (maadhuparkika) ... is the present
> which some guests receive along with a welcoming madhuparka,
> "honey-based mixture."
>
> On p. 311 of the text, Rocher provides the verse on lines
> five and six. The word "maadhuparkika" occurs on line two,
> towards the end. After that he includes the reference to
> Manu (M. 9.206). This might be useful in case your student
> would like to read commentaries on who is deserving of the
> madhuparka offering. I'm afraid I can't provide specific
> reference to those.
>
>   If "host gift" means something to be presented *to* the
> host, well, I don't know anything about that.
>
> best,
> Tim Cahill
>
> Timothy C. Cahill
> Associate Professor and Chair
> Department of Religious Studies
> Loyola University New Orleans
> 6363 St. Charles Ave.
> New Orleans, LA  70118
> 




From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE  Sat May  8 13:24:01 2010
From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sat, 08 May 10 15:24:01 +0200
Subject: Brahmins as Musicians
In-Reply-To: <D268154E-D1F3-469D-BCBF-57D7115F5582@aol.com>
Message-ID: <161227089503.23782.5130250869116693110.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

?r?vara, the Kashmirian court Pandit of Sultan Zayn (r. AD 1418/20-1470), 
was a noted Brahmin musician. His Rajatarangini (ed. Kaul 1966) abounds in 
references to musical performances, of which the one quoted below 
(1.4.34-36) deserves particular attention:

[34][Being myself] an expert in music of all kinds, I took an [ordinary] 
gourd lute in my hand [and] by playing it displayed my skills in new musical 
modulations. [35]Others such as ?a?far [joined in] also and sang difficult 
Turkish tunes with me accompanied by the lute, in front of the Sul??n. 
[36]While we were singing a song in twelve [different] modes in the 
assembly, the tones [formed] from strings and voices seemed to reach perfect 
harmony out of [mutual] affection.

As to the Gitagovinda, cp. 1.5.99f:

[99]He then embarked on a boat surrounded by five or six boatswains and 
sailed out to Lake [Kramasaras], taking Bha??a Si?ha and me along with him. 
[100]When I sang the Sul??n songs from the G?tagovinda [there], he became 
immersed in love for K???a on listening to them, overcome with the 
particular sentiment [corresponding to my recital].

Lake Kramasaras is mod. Konsar Nag (elevation c. 15,000 feet) below 
Naubandha Peak on the Pir Pantsal.

Best, WS


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan" <palaniappa at AOL.COM>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: Brahmins as Musicians


Dear Indologists,

I am interested in the history of orthodox Brahmins performing as musicians. 
Today the field of Carnatic music is dominated by South Indian Brahmins. 
South Indian Brahmins' involvement in music is traceable at least up to 
Madhava Vidyaranya. An early epigraphic record praising the musical ability 
of a Brahmin is that of the Western Chalukya king Somesvara of 11th century 
in Yewur in Karnataka . However, there does not seem to be any widespread 
brahmin participation in musicmaking at that time. Jayadeva comes a century 
later. I would like to know if the Bhagavatapurana and especially the 
Gitagovinda have anything to do with increasing Brahmin participation in 
musicmaking?

Thank you in advance for any comments or references.

Regards,
Palaniappan
------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
(Germany)
www.indologie.uni-halle.de

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. 




From mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM  Sun May  9 03:59:20 2010
From: mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Sat, 08 May 10 23:59:20 -0400
Subject: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in Kashmir"
Message-ID: <161227089510.23782.2737665638392822884.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

THE HARABHATTA SHASTRI 
INDOLOGICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE

# 37/4 Pandoka Colony
Paloura, Jammu - 181121
Jammu & Kashmir, India
email: harbhattashastri at gmail.com



May 08, 2010


Dear Friends,

We are planning to bring out a volume focusing the contribution of Kashmirian Persianists to the Persian literature. This volume, as we are planning it to be, will serve as an encyclopaedic manual on "Kashmiri Persian scholars and their Works". We invite an original and highly critical piece of essay written in English by you to be included in the volume. We also encourage you to circulate this letter amongst your colleagues who you think are capable of contributing to this volume.   

1. The formal deadline for submission is decided to be 31 December 2010. But since I am looking after the project, I would say that I am ready to offer any contributor ample time as far as the contribution is an original research article. The articles should certainly be unpublished.

2. There are no hard and fast rules about the length of contributions. We will not mind a hard core critically researched paper either of one page or hundred pages. I am just concerned about originality and quality.

3. All the papers should be submitted computer typewritten in a proper scholarly format with a detailed bibliography and a personal introduction of the contributor. 

A PDF copy of the letter is enclosed herewith for the circulation in your department, university, institute or scholarly organization. I am quite hopeful that you will try to contribute for the said volume. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. With my best regards.

Yours sincerely,


(Mrinal Kaul)
 
A/p Concordia University
Department of Religion, FA-101
1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
Montreal, Quebec
CANADA H3G 1M8
Cell: +1-514-8028228
e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org 




From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Sun May  9 11:53:06 2010
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Sun, 09 May 10 07:53:06 -0400
Subject: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in              Kashmir"
In-Reply-To: <2DC41CE5-EEAD-4801-9AF1-F7B7ABB4F7E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089512.23782.5835785155918173559.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Mrinal,

many thanks for your kind invitation. Unfortunately, I do not  
specialize in Persian, so I cannot participate.
I still regret very much that we could not accommodate you with us:  
too much competition. But perhaps we can cooperate in the future,  
e.g. on Pandits' rituals:  how do you keep up with them outside  
Kashmir proper?

With my best wishes,

M. WItzel




On May 8, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mrinal Kaul wrote:

> THE HARABHATTA SHASTRI
> INDOLOGICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
>
> # 37/4 Pandoka Colony
> Paloura, Jammu - 181121
> Jammu & Kashmir, India
> email: harbhattashastri at gmail.com
>
>
>
> May 08, 2010
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> We are planning to bring out a volume focusing the contribution of  
> Kashmirian Persianists to the Persian literature. This volume, as  
> we are planning it to be, will serve as an encyclopaedic manual on  
> "Kashmiri Persian scholars and their Works". We invite an original  
> and highly critical piece of essay written in English by you to be  
> included in the volume. We also encourage you to circulate this  
> letter amongst your colleagues who you think are capable of  
> contributing to this volume.
>
> 1. The formal deadline for submission is decided to be 31 December  
> 2010. But since I am looking after the project, I would say that I  
> am ready to offer any contributor ample time as far as the  
> contribution is an original research article. The articles should  
> certainly be unpublished.
>
> 2. There are no hard and fast rules about the length of  
> contributions. We will not mind a hard core critically researched  
> paper either of one page or hundred pages. I am just concerned  
> about originality and quality.
>
> 3. All the papers should be submitted computer typewritten in a  
> proper scholarly format with a detailed bibliography and a personal  
> introduction of the contributor.
>
> A PDF copy of the letter is enclosed herewith for the circulation  
> in your department, university, institute or scholarly  
> organization. I am quite hopeful that you will try to contribute  
> for the said volume. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you  
> have any questions. With my best regards.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> (Mrinal Kaul)
>
> A/p Concordia University
> Department of Religion, FA-101
> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
> Montreal, Quebec
> CANADA H3G 1M8
> Cell: +1-514-8028228
> e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org

============
Michael Witzel
witzel at fas.harvard.edu
<www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>

Dept. of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University
1 Bow Street,
Cambridge MA 02138, USA

phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, 496 8570, fax 617 - 496 8571;
my direct line:  617- 496 2990




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Sun May  9 13:38:00 2010
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Sun, 09 May 10 09:38:00 -0400
Subject: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in              Kashmir"
In-Reply-To: <2DC41CE5-EEAD-4801-9AF1-F7B7ABB4F7E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089514.23782.9711638977031553505.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Mrinal  Kaul,

Thank you very much for your kind invitation to contribute the volume  
on the contribution of Kashmiri Persianists to Persian literature.  
While my work does include the study of some technical morphological  
aspects of "Persian" (Parthian, Sasanian and Early Arabo-Sasanian)  
art, I neither know Persian nor do I have any scholarly interest in  
the literature. Therefore, I have nothing on topic  to contribute.

John C. Huntington


John C. Huntington, Professor
(Buddhist Art and Methodologies)
<http://huntingtonarchive.osu.edu>
Department of the History of Art
The Ohio State University
Columbus, OH, U.S.A.





On May 8, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mrinal Kaul wrote:

> THE HARABHATTA SHASTRI
> INDOLOGICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
>
> # 37/4 Pandoka Colony
> Paloura, Jammu - 181121
> Jammu & Kashmir, India
> email: harbhattashastri at gmail.com
>
>
>
> May 08, 2010
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> We are planning to bring out a volume focusing the contribution of  
> Kashmirian Persianists to the Persian literature. This volume, as we  
> are planning it to be, will serve as an encyclopaedic manual on  
> "Kashmiri Persian scholars and their Works". We invite an original  
> and highly critical piece of essay written in English by you to be  
> included in the volume. We also encourage you to circulate this  
> letter amongst your colleagues who you think are capable of  
> contributing to this volume.
>
> 1. The formal deadline for submission is decided to be 31 December  
> 2010. But since I am looking after the project, I would say that I  
> am ready to offer any contributor ample time as far as the  
> contribution is an original research article. The articles should  
> certainly be unpublished.
>
> 2. There are no hard and fast rules about the length of  
> contributions. We will not mind a hard core critically researched  
> paper either of one page or hundred pages. I am just concerned about  
> originality and quality.
>
> 3. All the papers should be submitted computer typewritten in a  
> proper scholarly format with a detailed bibliography and a personal  
> introduction of the contributor.
>
> A PDF copy of the letter is enclosed herewith for the circulation in  
> your department, university, institute or scholarly organization. I  
> am quite hopeful that you will try to contribute for the said  
> volume. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any  
> questions. With my best regards.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> (Mrinal Kaul)
>
> A/p Concordia University
> Department of Religion, FA-101
> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
> Montreal, Quebec
> CANADA H3G 1M8
> Cell: +1-514-8028228
> e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org
>
>
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From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM  Sun May  9 17:18:21 2010
From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Sun, 09 May 10 10:18:21 -0700
Subject: book request
In-Reply-To: <D4C5B183-E282-404B-B318-E9A18C2E5B5D@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089518.23782.6568673479166516429.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I do not know if the following will be of any help.
I hope the name of the author has been correctly reported. But I know of one Kumudranjan Das who wrote about Maharaja Krishnachandra of Nadia belonging to the middle of the eighteenth century. ?His books should be available at the Bangiya Sahitya Parishat?in?Calcutta. He was associated with the Parishat in the sixties.
If the reported Kumudnath Mallik?belonged to the Mallik family of North Calcutta whose old house still stands on the road linking the R.G. Kar Road and the Bidhan Sarani, the book might exist in the library of the family there which produced some?scholars. I?had a book written and presented by a member of the family but cannot trace it immediately. It was not about Krishnachandra
Best?
DB

--- On Sun, 5/9/10, Joel Bordeaux <jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU> wrote:


From: Joel Bordeaux <jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject: book request
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 1:41 PM


I hope this isn't an inappropriate question, but does anyone have a copy of Kumudnath Mallik's 1923 [Bengali] book Maharaja Krishnacandra?? Or know of a place besides the National Library in Kolkata where it can be found?

Many thanks,
J.

Joel Bordeaux
Ph.D. candidate
Department of Religion
Columbia University
jeb2104 at columbia.edu



      




From jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Sun May  9 13:41:38 2010
From: jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Joel Bordeaux)
Date: Sun, 09 May 10 19:11:38 +0530
Subject: book request
Message-ID: <161227089516.23782.7989079224489149780.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I hope this isn't an inappropriate question, but does anyone have a copy of Kumudnath Mallik's 1923 [Bengali] book Maharaja Krishnacandra?  Or know of a place besides the National Library in Kolkata where it can be found?

Many thanks,
J.

Joel Bordeaux
Ph.D. candidate
Department of Religion
Columbia University
jeb2104 at columbia.edu




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Sun May  9 18:32:20 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 09 May 10 20:32:20 +0200
Subject: More online dictionaries
Message-ID: <161227089521.23782.10116127285979657959.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

http://doc.thanhsiang.org/Online_Dic

DW




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Sun May  9 21:12:57 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 09 May 10 23:12:57 +0200
Subject: book request
In-Reply-To: <D4C5B183-E282-404B-B318-E9A18C2E5B5D@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089523.23782.1247038776867465155.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It's not Maharaja Krishnacandra, but there's a digitized copy of Kumudnath
Mallik's Satidaha in the Digital Library of India.

See the link here: http://tinyurl.com/3663smc

Sincerely,

Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Universit?t Wien
Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
A-1090 Vienna
Austria


On 9 May 2010 15:41, Joel Bordeaux <jeb2104 at columbia.edu> wrote:

> I hope this isn't an inappropriate question, but does anyone have a copy of
> Kumudnath Mallik's 1923 [Bengali] book Maharaja Krishnacandra?  Or know of a
> place besides the National Library in Kolkata where it can be found?
>
> Many thanks,
> J.
>
> Joel Bordeaux
> Ph.D. candidate
> Department of Religion
> Columbia University
> jeb2104 at columbia.edu
>




From fmgerety at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Mon May 10 15:09:29 2010
From: fmgerety at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Finnian Moore Gerety)
Date: Mon, 10 May 10 11:09:29 -0400
Subject: host gift
In-Reply-To: <COL103-DS2183308EAE6D1C36D73FA6DBF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227089527.23782.5011477874600605612.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Regarding atithi in Vedic literature: I recall an interesting (and
funny!) narrative in which Indra advises Manu on how to be a proper
"host" (atithi-pati) for two visiting Asura-priests.  See Mait.S.
4.8.1 and Katha S. 30.1.

Finn

graduate student
Dept. Sanskrit & Indian Studies
Harvard University

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Herman Tull <hwtull at msn.com> wrote:
> I would think he/she should be able to get some interesting information by
> looking at the term for "guest" (atithi)--references to the atithi are
> sprinkled throughout Vedic literature. ?As Tim says, if it's the other way
> around...? (Maybe a bottle of merlot?)
>
> Herman Tull
> Princeton, NJ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "tccahill" <tccahill at LOYNO.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: host gift
>
>> ... apart
>>>
>>> from dAna and pratidAna, is there any specific term for
>>> host or hostess gift in Sanskrit? And does anybody know
>>> (specific!) text references and/or secondary literature
>>> regarding this topic? I am aware of most dAna literature.
>>
>> See Ludo Rocher's edition and translation:
>> *Jiimuutavaahana's Daayabhaaga; The Hindu Law of Inheritance
>> in Bengal* Oxford, 2002.
>>
>> On p. 137, n. 9 of the translation he writes:
>> "A welcoming present" (maadhuparkika) ... is the present
>> which some guests receive along with a welcoming madhuparka,
>> "honey-based mixture."
>>
>> On p. 311 of the text, Rocher provides the verse on lines
>> five and six. The word "maadhuparkika" occurs on line two,
>> towards the end. After that he includes the reference to
>> Manu (M. 9.206). This might be useful in case your student
>> would like to read commentaries on who is deserving of the
>> madhuparka offering. I'm afraid I can't provide specific
>> reference to those.
>>
>> ?If "host gift" means something to be presented *to* the
>> host, well, I don't know anything about that.
>>
>> best,
>> Tim Cahill
>>
>> Timothy C. Cahill
>> Associate Professor and Chair
>> Department of Religious Studies
>> Loyola University New Orleans
>> 6363 St. Charles Ave.
>> New Orleans, LA ?70118
>>
>
>




From christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE  Mon May 10 11:05:43 2010
From: christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 10 May 10 13:05:43 +0200
Subject: History of Tamil Studies (in Belgium)
Message-ID: <161227089525.23782.6676372300503648998.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

dear colleagues,

If somebody has access to:

Xavier S.Thani Nayagam (ed.): Tamil studies 
abroad: a Symposium. [vii] 269 pp. [Kuala 
Lumpur]: International Association of Tamil 
Research, 1968 (with papers by  J. Filliozat, 
"Tamil Studies in French Indology"; F.B.J. 
Kuiper, "Dutch Studies of Tamil"8; A. Wetzler, 
"German Dravidology Past and Present"; A. 
Lehmann, "German Contribute to Tamil Studies"; 
R.E. Asher, "The Contribution of Scholars of 
British Origin to Tamil Scholarship and the Study 
of Tamil in Britain", etc.)

May I ask him to check if the name of Philippe 
Vander Haeghen is somewhere quoted ?

Philippe Vander Haeghen is a Belgian scholar who 
published a paper "De l'?tude du tamoul", in 
Bulletins de l'Acad?mie royale des Sciences, des 
Lettres et des Beaux-Arts de Belgique, vol. xxii, 
1855, pp. 285-304, and then in 1858 a series of
Maximes populaires de l'Inde m?ridionale, Paris - Bruxelles - Leipzig
http://books.google.be/books?id=yMITAAAAQAAJ
(Tamil proverbs in Tamil script)
The book was published "sous la protection de 
(...) M. le Docteur Charles Graul, un des hommes 
les plus vers?s dans la litt?rature tamoule"

For the 4 vols of the Bibliotheca Tamulica (1854-1865) by Karl Graul, see:
http://books.google.be/books?id=pnUIAAAAQAAJ
http://books.google.be/books?id=4qY-AAAAcAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=dFIIAAAAQAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/kuraltiruvalluv00germgoog

Thank you very much,
With best wishes,

Christophe Vielle
-- 
http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle
http://belgianindology.blogs.lalibre.be/




From mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM  Mon May 10 20:45:22 2010
From: mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Mon, 10 May 10 16:45:22 -0400
Subject: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in              Kashmir"
In-Reply-To: <B8EAF7FE-6883-4A9F-BACB-38573343C7E2@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089529.23782.4664515983263159893.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Prof Witzel,

Thank you very much for your nice message. I am aware that you do not specialize in Persian studies, but since the mail went to the Indology common group, it was bound to come to you as well. At the same time I would like to add that if you know some potential Persianists, please forward the email to them. I shall be really grateful if you can do that for me.

Yes, after I continuously rejected three D.Phil. offers from Oxford for lack of funding, I was very much looking forward to get into some good graduate school in the States where I could learn in an intellectually elite atmosphere. But unfortunately, I finally joined Concordia University in Montreal and doing Indology at this place continues to be a worst experience ever in my life. In fact I am not sure if I would be continuing here or not. But I do welcome your offer and I do look forward cooperating with you in future even if I ultimately have to quit Indology because of lack of favourable opportunities. With my best regards.

Yours sincerely,

Mrinal Kaul   


************************
Mrinal Kaul
Concordia University, 
Department of Religion, FA-101
1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
Montreal, Quebec
CANADA H3G 1M8
*************************
Cell: +1-514-8028228
e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org 
www.mrinalkaul.art.officelive.com

On 2010-05-09, at 7:53 AM, Michael Witzel wrote:

> Dear Mrinal,
> 
> many thanks for your kind invitation. Unfortunately, I do not specialize in Persian, so I cannot participate.
> I still regret very much that we could not accommodate you with us: too much competition. But perhaps we can cooperate in the future, e.g. on Pandits' rituals:  how do you keep up with them outside Kashmir proper?
> 
> With my best wishes,
> 
> M. WItzel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mrinal Kaul wrote:
> 
>> THE HARABHATTA SHASTRI
>> INDOLOGICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
>> 
>> # 37/4 Pandoka Colony
>> Paloura, Jammu - 181121
>> Jammu & Kashmir, India
>> email: harbhattashastri at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> May 08, 2010
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> We are planning to bring out a volume focusing the contribution of Kashmirian Persianists to the Persian literature. This volume, as we are planning it to be, will serve as an encyclopaedic manual on "Kashmiri Persian scholars and their Works". We invite an original and highly critical piece of essay written in English by you to be included in the volume. We also encourage you to circulate this letter amongst your colleagues who you think are capable of contributing to this volume.
>> 
>> 1. The formal deadline for submission is decided to be 31 December 2010. But since I am looking after the project, I would say that I am ready to offer any contributor ample time as far as the contribution is an original research article. The articles should certainly be unpublished.
>> 
>> 2. There are no hard and fast rules about the length of contributions. We will not mind a hard core critically researched paper either of one page or hundred pages. I am just concerned about originality and quality.
>> 
>> 3. All the papers should be submitted computer typewritten in a proper scholarly format with a detailed bibliography and a personal introduction of the contributor.
>> 
>> A PDF copy of the letter is enclosed herewith for the circulation in your department, university, institute or scholarly organization. I am quite hopeful that you will try to contribute for the said volume. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. With my best regards.
>> 
>> Yours sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> (Mrinal Kaul)
>> 
>> A/p Concordia University
>> Department of Religion, FA-101
>> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
>> Montreal, Quebec
>> CANADA H3G 1M8
>> Cell: +1-514-8028228
>> e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org
> 
> ============
> Michael Witzel
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
> 
> Dept. of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University
> 1 Bow Street,
> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
> 
> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, 496 8570, fax 617 - 496 8571;
> my direct line:  617- 496 2990




From mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM  Mon May 10 23:16:06 2010
From: mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Mon, 10 May 10 19:16:06 -0400
Subject: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in              Kashmir"
In-Reply-To: <B8EAF7FE-6883-4A9F-BACB-38573343C7E2@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089531.23782.6179491105128699706.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I deeply apologize for sending in a personal message to the Indology group. Please ignore it. MK

************************
Mrinal Kaul
Concordia University, 
Department of Religion, FA-101
1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
Montreal, Quebec
CANADA H3G 1M8
*************************
Cell: +1-514-8028228
e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org 
www.mrinalkaul.art.officelive.com

On 2010-05-09, at 7:53 AM, Michael Witzel wrote:

> Dear Mrinal,
> 
> many thanks for your kind invitation. Unfortunately, I do not specialize in Persian, so I cannot participate.
> I still regret very much that we could not accommodate you with us: too much competition. But perhaps we can cooperate in the future, e.g. on Pandits' rituals:  how do you keep up with them outside Kashmir proper?
> 
> With my best wishes,
> 
> M. WItzel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mrinal Kaul wrote:
> 
>> THE HARABHATTA SHASTRI
>> INDOLOGICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
>> 
>> # 37/4 Pandoka Colony
>> Paloura, Jammu - 181121
>> Jammu & Kashmir, India
>> email: harbhattashastri at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> May 08, 2010
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> We are planning to bring out a volume focusing the contribution of Kashmirian Persianists to the Persian literature. This volume, as we are planning it to be, will serve as an encyclopaedic manual on "Kashmiri Persian scholars and their Works". We invite an original and highly critical piece of essay written in English by you to be included in the volume. We also encourage you to circulate this letter amongst your colleagues who you think are capable of contributing to this volume.
>> 
>> 1. The formal deadline for submission is decided to be 31 December 2010. But since I am looking after the project, I would say that I am ready to offer any contributor ample time as far as the contribution is an original research article. The articles should certainly be unpublished.
>> 
>> 2. There are no hard and fast rules about the length of contributions. We will not mind a hard core critically researched paper either of one page or hundred pages. I am just concerned about originality and quality.
>> 
>> 3. All the papers should be submitted computer typewritten in a proper scholarly format with a detailed bibliography and a personal introduction of the contributor.
>> 
>> A PDF copy of the letter is enclosed herewith for the circulation in your department, university, institute or scholarly organization. I am quite hopeful that you will try to contribute for the said volume. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. With my best regards.
>> 
>> Yours sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> (Mrinal Kaul)
>> 
>> A/p Concordia University
>> Department of Religion, FA-101
>> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
>> Montreal, Quebec
>> CANADA H3G 1M8
>> Cell: +1-514-8028228
>> e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org
> 
> ============
> Michael Witzel
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
> 
> Dept. of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University
> 1 Bow Street,
> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
> 
> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, 496 8570, fax 617 - 496 8571;
> my direct line:  617- 496 2990




From cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET  Mon May 10 23:44:34 2010
From: cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET (George Cardona)
Date: Mon, 10 May 10 19:44:34 -0400
Subject: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in              Kashmir"
Message-ID: <161227089533.23782.13443401968600871022.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Mrinal, Sorry to intrude on a person correspondence, but I'm curious about your bad experience at Concordia.  If you feel you can share with me, I'd like to know what makes it so bad, since one of our former students at U of Penn. is on the faculty there.  Incidentally, he was not my proper student, just took a few courses with me.  I hope things get better for you.  With regards, George Cardona


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mrinal Kaul <mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM>
>Sent: May 10, 2010 4:45 PM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Invitation for Contribution in the Volume on "Persian in Kashmir"
>
>Dear Prof Witzel,
>
>Thank you very much for your nice message. I am aware that you do not specialize in Persian studies, but since the mail went to the Indology common group, it was bound to come to you as well. At the same time I would like to add that if you know some potential Persianists, please forward the email to them. I shall be really grateful if you can do that for me.
>
>Yes, after I continuously rejected three D.Phil. offers from Oxford for lack of funding, I was very much looking forward to get into some good graduate school in the States where I could learn in an intellectually elite atmosphere. But unfortunately, I finally joined Concordia University in Montreal and doing Indology at this place continues to be a worst experience ever in my life. In fact I am not sure if I would be continuing here or not. But I do welcome your offer and I do look forward cooperating with you in future even if I ultimately have to quit Indology because of lack of favourable opportunities. With my best regards.
>
>Yours sincerely,
>
>Mrinal Kaul   
>
>
>************************
>Mrinal Kaul
>Concordia University, 
>Department of Religion, FA-101
>1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
>Montreal, Quebec
>CANADA H3G 1M8
>*************************
>Cell: +1-514-8028228
>e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org 
>www.mrinalkaul.art.officelive.com
>
>On 2010-05-09, at 7:53 AM, Michael Witzel wrote:
>
>> Dear Mrinal,
>> 
>> many thanks for your kind invitation. Unfortunately, I do not specialize in Persian, so I cannot participate.
>> I still regret very much that we could not accommodate you with us: too much competition. But perhaps we can cooperate in the future, e.g. on Pandits' rituals:  how do you keep up with them outside Kashmir proper?
>> 
>> With my best wishes,
>> 
>> M. WItzel
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mrinal Kaul wrote:
>> 
>>> THE HARABHATTA SHASTRI
>>> INDOLOGICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
>>> 
>>> # 37/4 Pandoka Colony
>>> Paloura, Jammu - 181121
>>> Jammu & Kashmir, India
>>> email: harbhattashastri at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> May 08, 2010
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Friends,
>>> 
>>> We are planning to bring out a volume focusing the contribution of Kashmirian Persianists to the Persian literature. This volume, as we are planning it to be, will serve as an encyclopaedic manual on "Kashmiri Persian scholars and their Works". We invite an original and highly critical piece of essay written in English by you to be included in the volume. We also encourage you to circulate this letter amongst your colleagues who you think are capable of contributing to this volume.
>>> 
>>> 1. The formal deadline for submission is decided to be 31 December 2010. But since I am looking after the project, I would say that I am ready to offer any contributor ample time as far as the contribution is an original research article. The articles should certainly be unpublished.
>>> 
>>> 2. There are no hard and fast rules about the length of contributions. We will not mind a hard core critically researched paper either of one page or hundred pages. I am just concerned about originality and quality.
>>> 
>>> 3. All the papers should be submitted computer typewritten in a proper scholarly format with a detailed bibliography and a personal introduction of the contributor.
>>> 
>>> A PDF copy of the letter is enclosed herewith for the circulation in your department, university, institute or scholarly organization. I am quite hopeful that you will try to contribute for the said volume. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. With my best regards.
>>> 
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Mrinal Kaul)
>>> 
>>> A/p Concordia University
>>> Department of Religion, FA-101
>>> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
>>> Montreal, Quebec
>>> CANADA H3G 1M8
>>> Cell: +1-514-8028228
>>> e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org
>> 
>> ============
>> Michael Witzel
>> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
>> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
>> 
>> Dept. of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University
>> 1 Bow Street,
>> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
>> 
>> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, 496 8570, fax 617 - 496 8571;
>> my direct line:  617- 496 2990




From cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET  Mon May 10 23:45:51 2010
From: cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET (George Cardona)
Date: Mon, 10 May 10 19:45:51 -0400
Subject: apology
Message-ID: <161227089536.23782.4724340309314149064.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My apology for accidentally sending a personal message to the list.  GC




From rhayes at UNM.EDU  Tue May 11 14:45:13 2010
From: rhayes at UNM.EDU (Richard Hayes)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 08:45:13 -0600
Subject: apology
In-Reply-To: <A291CA6C-C71C-4404-85E4-143FF6C160AC@mail.smu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089544.23782.5581092279019526307.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On May 11, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Steven Lindquist wrote:

> That said, I think we all need to remember that we have all, at one point or another, voiced subjective opinions (in the heat of the moment, out of legitimate frustration, etc.) aloud or in emails that would horrify us if they were made public.

I started using e-mail so long ago that new users were then given courses by the IT department at my University on how to use this new tchnology. One piece of advice has always stuck with me (even though I have occasionally failed to observe it): "Never say anything in an e-mail that you would not wish to appear on the front page of the NY Times."

> I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to change the format of list emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by individuals, but then they "reply to" the group.

I strongly second Professor Lindquist's strong urging. Of the many lists I receive, this Indology list results in by far the most red-faced apologies for messages sent here by mistake. (By the way, Steven, are we still on for lunch today?)

Richard Hayes
Department of Philosophy
MSC03 2140
1 University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001




From slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU  Tue May 11 14:21:16 2010
From: slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU (Steven Lindquist)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 09:21:16 -0500
Subject: apology
In-Reply-To: <1476168720-1273583841-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1847924272-@bda382.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <161227089541.23782.17777071095791221130.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I would like to strongly second this sentiment.  I worked in this department at Concordia for three years and found the faculty there (S. Asia and otherwise) to be collegial, supportive, and actively engaged researchers of exceptionally strong caliber.

That said, I think we all need to remember that we have all, at one point or another, voiced subjective opinions (in the heat of the moment, out of legitimate frustration, etc.) aloud or in emails that would horrify us if they were made public.  We should do everyone the courtesy (those who posted and also the faculty at Concordia) of remembering that it could be any of us on the giving or receiving end of such communications (indeed, it most certainly has been, but just not publicly).  Best to forget about it completely (except as a cautionary tale).

I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to change the format of list emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by individuals, but then they "reply to" the group.  This is clearly the reason for such errors (at least, it was in the case in my own misposting in the not too distant past).  I have myself set up email rules to shuffle list emails into a special folder to try to avoid this problem, but this should be unnecessary (I have no such issues with any other list).

Best,

Steven

--
Steven Lindquist, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies 
Southern Methodist University
Homepage: http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui
--

On May 11, 2010, at 8:17 AM, christoph.emmrich at UTORONTO.CA wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> We would like to voice our displeasure about the recent exchange on this list regarding the Department of Religion at Concordia University and express our support and our deepest appreciation of the work both in research and in teaching which has been and continues to be done by our colleagues in South Asian Studies at our fellow Canadian intitution. 
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
> Christoph Emmrich, Buddhist Studies, University of Toronto
> 
> Srilata Raman, Hinduism, University of Toronto
> 
> ----
> 
> Christoph Emmrich
> Assistant Professor, Buddhist Studies
> Coordinator, Numata Program
> University of Toronto, UTM
> 
> christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca
> www.religion.utoronto.ca/people/facultyl/emmrich.htm
> 
> Department and Centre for the Study of Religion
> University of Toronto
> Jackman Humanities Building, Room 303
> 170 St. George Street
> Toronto, Ontario M5R 2M8, Canada
> +1-416-918-5939 (o)
> +1-416-978-1610 (f)
> 
> Department of Historical Studies
> University of Toronto, Mississauga
> North Building, Room 148
> 3359 Mississauga Road North
> Mississauga, ON L5L 1C6, Canada
> +1-905-828-3744 (o)
> +1-905-569-4412 (f)
> 




From slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU  Tue May 11 15:57:09 2010
From: slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU (Steven Lindquist)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 10:57:09 -0500
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVXraNueSRasKPLfkAhznS-DSl4Iv_8yc8dlK1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089549.23782.8871546908354220000.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

An alternative might be to have all list emails come automatically tagged with "INDOLOGY" at the start of the subject line.  At least then there is an immediate visual cue that it is not a personal message (something similar has worked well, but not flawlessly, on certain others lists I use).

--
Steven Lindquist, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies 
Southern Methodist University
Homepage: http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui
--

On May 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> I've just switched the list's default behaviour to "Reply to Sender" rather
> than "Reply to List".  Let's see how we like it.
> 
> In the 20-year history of this INDOLOGY list, this topic has of course come
> up before.  In the past, the consensus has been that "reply to list" is a
> greater convenience, and "reply to sender" is not what most people want for
> most postings.
> 
> Anyhow, let's see.  Times change.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik Wujastyk
> 
> INDOLOGY duty committee member
> 
> 
> On 11 May 2010 16:21, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to change the format of list
>> emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by individuals, but then they "reply
>> to" the group.  This is clearly the reason for such errors (at least, it was
>> in the case in my own misposting in the not too distant past).  I have
>> myself set up email rules to shuffle list emails into a special folder to
>> try to avoid this problem, but this should be unnecessary (I have no such
>> issues with any other list).
>> 
>> 




From christoph.emmrich at UTORONTO.CA  Tue May 11 13:17:21 2010
From: christoph.emmrich at UTORONTO.CA (christoph.emmrich at UTORONTO.CA)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 13:17:21 +0000
Subject: apology
In-Reply-To: <4574268.1273535151555.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <161227089539.23782.5116316807939421432.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

We would like to voice our displeasure about the recent exchange on this list regarding the Department of Religion at Concordia University and express our support and our deepest appreciation of the work both in research and in teaching which has been and continues to be done by our colleagues in South Asian Studies at our fellow Canadian intitution. 

Yours sincerely,

Christoph Emmrich, Buddhist Studies, University of Toronto

Srilata Raman, Hinduism, University of Toronto

----

Christoph Emmrich
Assistant Professor, Buddhist Studies
Coordinator, Numata Program
University of Toronto, UTM

christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca
www.religion.utoronto.ca/people/facultyl/emmrich.htm

Department and Centre for the Study of Religion
University of Toronto
Jackman Humanities Building, Room 303
170 St. George Street
Toronto, Ontario M5R 2M8, Canada
 +1-416-918-5939 (o)
 +1-416-978-1610 (f)

Department of Historical Studies
University of Toronto, Mississauga
North Building, Room 148
3359 Mississauga Road North
Mississauga, ON L5L 1C6, Canada
 +1-905-828-3744 (o)
 +1-905-569-4412 (f)

 
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

-----Original Message-----
From:	George Cardona <cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET>
Date:	      Mon, 10 May 2010 19:45:51 
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: apology

My apology for accidentally sending a personal message to the list.  GC




From mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 19:21:46 2010
From: mrinalkaul81 at GMAIL.COM (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 15:21:46 -0400
Subject: Apology
In-Reply-To: <B8EAF7FE-6883-4A9F-BACB-38573343C7E2@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089564.23782.16391258007372622345.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

The responses to my too broadly worded posting have been kinder than it deserved. Upon reflection, I find myself surprised by the understanding some senior scholars such as Dr. Dominik Wujastyk have displayed of why I, a graduate student, could have written the way I wrote. I made a mistake not just in posting a private message to the entire list but also in expressing myself the way I did, as well as in arriving at the view I expressed. I am sorry. 

After some persons who care for me questioned me privately, I realise that I should have critically examined my own assumptions and expectations and that I should not have used such a broad brush in speaking of my experience at Concordia. Having recently come from India to North America, I should spent more time to understand the differences between university systems, particularly the differences between their philosophies of education and organizations, and the changes that are taking place in Western universities. My phrase "doing Indology in Concordia" should have been accompanied by a statement on university experience in general and on some aspects of studying Indology in North America.

I am NOT dissatisfied with the professors in the Department of Religion at Concordia. I am at Concordia because of Professor Shaman Hatley who, besides being a wonderful man, is a very good specialist of the field that interests me and is a meticulous Sanskritist. As my advisor, he has been extremely supportive all the time. I obviously do not have any complaints about Dr T.S. Rukmani. Many of you must be aware of her scholarly achievements and her prolific research output in the field of Yoga in particular. Also, I know that the work done by Dr Leslie Orr on Tamil inscriptions is viewed as original and highly significant.

Again, my apologies for the time I made you spend because of my mistake and for the damage I might have caused to the image of the Department of Religion at Concordia. In the future I will try to express myself more carefully.

Yours sincerely,

Mrinal Kaul


************************
Mrinal Kaul
Concordia University, 
Department of Religion, FA-101
1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd West
Montreal, Quebec
CANADA H3G 1M8
*************************
Cell: +1-514-8028228
e-mail: mrinal.kaul at stx.oxon.org 
www.mrinalkaul.art.officelive.com




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 15:43:56 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 17:43:56 +0200
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
Message-ID: <161227089547.23782.10763787203593172800.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I've just switched the list's default behaviour to "Reply to Sender" rather
than "Reply to List".  Let's see how we like it.

In the 20-year history of this INDOLOGY list, this topic has of course come
up before.  In the past, the consensus has been that "reply to list" is a
greater convenience, and "reply to sender" is not what most people want for
most postings.

Anyhow, let's see.  Times change.

Best,
Dominik Wujastyk

INDOLOGY duty committee member


On 11 May 2010 16:21, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:

> I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to change the format of list
> emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by individuals, but then they "reply
> to" the group.  This is clearly the reason for such errors (at least, it was
> in the case in my own misposting in the not too distant past).  I have
> myself set up email rules to shuffle list emails into a special folder to
> try to avoid this problem, but this should be unnecessary (I have no such
> issues with any other list).
>
>




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 15:56:40 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 17:56:40 +0200
Subject: apology
In-Reply-To: <A291CA6C-C71C-4404-85E4-143FF6C160AC@mail.smu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089552.23782.6013782307678628240.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It is generous and courteous of colleagues at Toronto to publicly support
their colleagues at Concordia.

I also think that it is not particularly improper for a grad student to
complain publicly about their experiences.  I'm sure none of us wants to
mute the grad students, and it's important to know if things aren't right
either from the teachers' or the students' point of view.  Of course there
is the question of the appropriateness of such a posting in a public
academic forum like this, but really since the creation of the many websites
like ratemyprofessors.com, and the rise of social networking, we know that
edgy student opinion is a matter of very public record.  And we all also
know that official channels of complaint don't always work as well as we
would all like.

I think Steven has said it best.

Dominik


On 11 May 2010 16:21, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:

>
> That said, I think we all need to remember that we have all, at one point
> or another, voiced subjective opinions (in the heat of the moment, out of
> legitimate frustration, etc.) aloud or in emails that would horrify us if
> they were made public.  We should do everyone the courtesy (those who posted
> and also the faculty at Concordia) of remembering that it could be any of us
> on the giving or receiving end of such communications (indeed, it most
> certainly has been, but just not publicly).  Best to forget about it
> completely (except as a cautionary tale).
>




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 16:03:57 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 18:03:57 +0200
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
In-Reply-To: <3E2F5F44-4B01-480C-BF67-B56903978B1A@mail.smu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089555.23782.5017101585890159054.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Okay, I've done this too ("[INDOLOGY]" in the subject header).

Incidentally, all members of this forum can tweak these kinds of setting for
themselves, individually, if they wish.

And I had to replace "Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu>" in the reply
field of this email with the INDOLOGY address.  So it's working.

Best,
Dominik
INDOLOGY list duty committee member

On 11 May 2010 17:57, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:

> An alternative might be to have all list emails come automatically tagged
> with "INDOLOGY" at the start of the subject line.  At least then there is an
> immediate visual cue that it is not a personal message (something similar
> has worked well, but not flawlessly, on certain others lists I use).
>
> --
> Steven Lindquist, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Religious Studies
> Southern Methodist University
> Homepage: http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui
> --
>
> On May 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>
> > I've just switched the list's default behaviour to "Reply to Sender"
> rather
> > than "Reply to List".  Let's see how we like it.
> >
> > In the 20-year history of this INDOLOGY list, this topic has of course
> come
> > up before.  In the past, the consensus has been that "reply to list" is a
> > greater convenience, and "reply to sender" is not what most people want
> for
> > most postings.
> >
> > Anyhow, let's see.  Times change.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dominik Wujastyk
> >
> > INDOLOGY duty committee member
> >
> >
> > On 11 May 2010 16:21, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to change the format of
> list
> >> emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by individuals, but then they
> "reply
> >> to" the group.  This is clearly the reason for such errors (at least, it
> was
> >> in the case in my own misposting in the not too distant past).  I have
> >> myself set up email rules to shuffle list emails into a special folder
> to
> >> try to avoid this problem, but this should be unnecessary (I have no
> such
> >> issues with any other list).
> >>
> >>
>




From Loriliai.Biernacki at COLORADO.EDU  Wed May 12 01:11:53 2010
From: Loriliai.Biernacki at COLORADO.EDU (Loriliai Biernacki)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 19:11:53 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVXraNueSRasKPLfkAhznS-DSl4Iv_8yc8dlK1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089569.23782.9752545948662693233.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This seems like a good option. Folks can hit "reply all" to send to the
whole list, still only one stroke, and just hit "reply" if they want the
reply to go to only the sender.
All best,
Loriliai


> I've just switched the list's default behaviour to "Reply to Sender" rather
> than "Reply to List".  Let's see how we like it.
> 
> In the 20-year history of this INDOLOGY list, this topic has of course come
> up before.  In the past, the consensus has been that "reply to list" is a
> greater convenience, and "reply to sender" is not what most people want for
> most postings.
> 
> Anyhow, let's see.  Times change.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik Wujastyk
> 
> INDOLOGY duty committee member
> 
> 
> On 11 May 2010 16:21, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to change the format of list
>> emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by individuals, but then they "reply
>> to" the group.  This is clearly the reason for such errors (at least, it was
>> in the case in my own misposting in the not too distant past).  I have
>> myself set up email rules to shuffle list emails into a special folder to
>> try to avoid this problem, but this should be unnecessary (I have no such
>> issues with any other list).
>> 
>> 

Best wishes,
Dr. Biernacki
-- 
Prof. Biernacki
Associate Professor, Religious Studies
Associate Chair of Undergraduate Studies
University of Colorado at Boulder
UCB 292
Boulder, CO 80309
303-735-4730
Loriliai.Biernacki at colorado.edu
http://www.colorado.edu/ReligiousStudies/faculty/loriliai.biernacki.html




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed May 12 01:22:25 2010
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (JKirkpatrick)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 19:22:25 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
In-Reply-To: <C80F5C79.1F3E3%loriliai.biernacki@colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089572.23782.6331542808168912273.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Wicked good! 
Thanks for the change.
Joanna K.  
______________


This seems like a good option. Folks can hit "reply all" to send
to the whole list, still only one stroke, and just hit "reply" if
they want the reply to go to only the sender.
All best,
Loriliai




From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 17:34:41 2010
From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 19:34:41 +0200
Subject: Extended deadline for PhD and Post-doc positions: Buddhism and              Social Justice
Message-ID: <161227089558.23782.4587050756399897867.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues:

This was sent out some time ago, but  the deadline has been extended, and I
have made explicit the flexibility in the positions.

I have been fortunate enough to receive funding from the Dutch National
Science Foundation (NWO) for a project on "Buddhism and Social Justice." Now
comes the task of finding PhD students and a post-doc to collaborate in this
project.

Since the fields range from Sri Lanka to Japan to Tibet to Korea, I truly
need the help of colleagues and friends to make known these opportunities
and to bring them to the attention of qualified candidates. May I ask your
help in this?

Here are two web links with the shorter and then the full project
information:

http://www.hum.leiden.edu/lias/highlights/phd-vacancies-silk.html
http://www.hum.leiden.edu/lias/research/sas/vici-project-silk.html

If you know of anyone who might be qualified, or have suggestions of names
of those to whom I should send this information, I would be very much in
your debt!

It is also possible that a project not exactly outlined in this proposal,
but that would fit with it, could be considered for any of the positions
(e.g., a Chinese project instead of Korea, Thailand or Burma instead of Sri
Lanka). It is also possible that a post-doc work in a PhD area and vice
versa.

very best thanks in advance, Jonathan

PS:  please ignore the deadline date of 23 April which may still be on the
website--it has been updated to June 1st.


-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden
Netherlands




From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 18:36:46 2010
From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 20:36:46 +0200
Subject: correction
Message-ID: <161227089561.23782.12470404481029002158.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It appears that one of the links in my earlier post was defective. Sorry!


http://hum.leiden.edu/lias/research/news/phd-vacancies-silk.html

-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden
Netherlands




From will.sweetman at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 11 21:22:32 2010
From: will.sweetman at GMAIL.COM (Will Sweetman)
Date: Tue, 11 May 10 22:22:32 +0100
Subject: History of Tamil Studies (in Belgium)
In-Reply-To: <a06240826c80d94b876fc@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <161227089567.23782.4200134568372587307.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Christophe,

So far as I can tell, there is no mention of Philippe Vander Haeghen in the book. The final chapter by the editor has brief notes on several other European countries, but Belgium is not among them.

Best wishes

Will Sweetman

On 10/05/2010, at 12:05 PM, Christophe Vielle wrote:

> dear colleagues,
> 
> If somebody has access to:
> 
> Xavier S.Thani Nayagam (ed.): Tamil studies abroad: a Symposium. [vii] 269 pp. [Kuala Lumpur]: International Association of Tamil Research, 1968 (with papers by  J. Filliozat, "Tamil Studies in French Indology"; F.B.J. Kuiper, "Dutch Studies of Tamil"8; A. Wetzler, "German Dravidology Past and Present"; A. Lehmann, "German Contribute to Tamil Studies"; R.E. Asher, "The Contribution of Scholars of British Origin to Tamil Scholarship and the Study of Tamil in Britain", etc.)
> 
> May I ask him to check if the name of Philippe Vander Haeghen is somewhere quoted ?
> 
> Philippe Vander Haeghen is a Belgian scholar who published a paper "De l'?tude du tamoul", in Bulletins de l'Acad?mie royale des Sciences, des Lettres et des Beaux-Arts de Belgique, vol. xxii, 1855, pp. 285-304, and then in 1858 a series of
> Maximes populaires de l'Inde m?ridionale, Paris - Bruxelles - Leipzig
> http://books.google.be/books?id=yMITAAAAQAAJ
> (Tamil proverbs in Tamil script)
> The book was published "sous la protection de (...) M. le Docteur Charles Graul, un des hommes les plus vers?s dans la litt?rature tamoule"
> 
> For the 4 vols of the Bibliotheca Tamulica (1854-1865) by Karl Graul, see:
> http://books.google.be/books?id=pnUIAAAAQAAJ
> http://books.google.be/books?id=4qY-AAAAcAAJ
> http://books.google.com/books?id=dFIIAAAAQAAJ
> http://www.archive.org/details/kuraltiruvalluv00germgoog
> 
> Thank you very much,
> With best wishes,
> 
> Christophe Vielle
> --
> http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle
> http://belgianindology.blogs.lalibre.be/




From annamisia at YAHOO.COM  Wed May 12 07:04:50 2010
From: annamisia at YAHOO.COM (Anna A. Slaczka)
Date: Wed, 12 May 10 00:04:50 -0700
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
In-Reply-To: <3E2F5F44-4B01-480C-BF67-B56903978B1A@mail.smu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089574.23782.9648715630089773819.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

I understand that in our busy times one may read an email too quickly but nobody so far remarked that the emails sent to Indology are clearly marked TO: INDOLOGY and not TO: Anna Slaczka, for example.
[reading emails too quickly is a mistake I commited right now sending my (first) reply to Steve instead of Indology List :-)]

Cheers,

Anna Slaczka,

Curator South Asian Art
Rijksmuseum
Amsterdam.


--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU> wrote:

> From: Steven Lindquist <slindqui at MAIL.SMU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 5:57 PM
> An alternative might be to have all
> list emails come automatically tagged with "INDOLOGY" at the
> start of the subject line.? At least then there is an
> immediate visual cue that it is not a personal message
> (something similar has worked well, but not flawlessly, on
> certain others lists I use).
> 
> --
> Steven Lindquist, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Religious Studies 
> Southern Methodist University
> Homepage: http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui
> --
> 
> On May 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> 
> > I've just switched the list's default behaviour to
> "Reply to Sender" rather
> > than "Reply to List".? Let's see how we like it.
> > 
> > In the 20-year history of this INDOLOGY list, this
> topic has of course come
> > up before.? In the past, the consensus has been
> that "reply to list" is a
> > greater convenience, and "reply to sender" is not what
> most people want for
> > most postings.
> > 
> > Anyhow, let's see.? Times change.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Dominik Wujastyk
> > 
> > INDOLOGY duty committee member
> > 
> > 
> > On 11 May 2010 16:21, Steven Lindquist <slindqui at mail.smu.edu>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> I strongly urge the moderators to find a way to
> change the format of list
> >> emails: they appear in inboxes as sent by
> individuals, but then they "reply
> >> to" the group.? This is clearly the reason
> for such errors (at least, it was
> >> in the case in my own misposting in the not too
> distant past).? I have
> >> myself set up email rules to shuffle list emails
> into a special folder to
> >> try to avoid this problem, but this should be
> unnecessary (I have no such
> >> issues with any other list).
> >> 
> >> 
> 


      




From peter_scharf at BROWN.EDU  Thu May 13 20:09:16 2010
From: peter_scharf at BROWN.EDU (Peter Scharf)
Date: Thu, 13 May 10 16:09:16 -0400
Subject: ADMIN: Change in the "reply" function of INDOLOGY
In-Reply-To: <776723.73323.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227089576.23782.6152566877196494333.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,
	I am happy to announce that we have hired Dr. Matthias Ahlborn of  
Cologne, Germany in the position of post-doctoral research associate  
in the Sankrit library project in the Classics Department at Brown  
University.  Dr. Ahlborn comes to us with a unique combination of  
expertise in Sanskrit and computational skills.  He obtained his  
doctorate in Indology at the University of W?rzurg with a computer  
aided Critical Edition and Translation of the  
Pratij??yaugandhar?ya?a in 2007 and has since then taught Sanskrit  
and Indian Philosophy there.  He worked for several years on the Bh?sa- 
Project, properly titled, "W?rzburger Multimediale Datenbank zum  
Sanskrit-Schauspiel."
	I am very pleased to have him join the Sanskrit library project at  
Brown.
	Yours,
	Peter Scharf


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From frederick-smith at UIOWA.EDU  Fri May 14 01:26:55 2010
From: frederick-smith at UIOWA.EDU (Smith, Frederick M)
Date: Thu, 13 May 10 20:26:55 -0500
Subject: Putrikaa
Message-ID: <161227089579.23782.3632307720028289946.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On behalf of someone who does not subscribe to Indology, I submit the
following query:



Dear group, I am seeking the precise text and addresses of two verses
imperfectly remembered. ?The first is a verse that I am sure is in
Shantiparva, but which I have never been able to locate again, not
even with the pratika index nor by searching the electronic text. ?The
first half verse goes something like this:

????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????

Or maybe:

?????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????????

Anyway, the original will be very like this.

The second verse, I remember only in sense, and I am not sure if it is
also to be found in Mahabharata: probably, but I remember it from
elsewhere, some other dharmashastra. ?The verse tells that an
adulteress is purified by the next menstruation following her crime,
and after that is fit to be touched by her husband again. ?I am sure
the verse must be notorious, perhaps common in dharmashastras.

Phillip
Naganathapura, Bengaluru






From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Sat May 15 15:06:29 2010
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sat, 15 May 10 10:06:29 -0500
Subject: Reference
In-Reply-To: <C812110F.8286%frederick-smith@uiowa.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089581.23782.4456603777044016762.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Pa??itasabh?!:

Could a generous soul provide me with the reference to this verse that I have simply as from Hemacandra:

Kytoto transliteration:

zuzruuSaa zravaNaM caiva grahaNaM dhaaraNaa tathaa | uuho 'poho 'rthavijJaanaM tattvajJaanaM ca dhiiguNaaH ||

Thank you very much.

Patrick




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Sat May 15 18:39:15 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 10 20:39:15 +0200
Subject: Reference
In-Reply-To: <C0EE823F-B2E3-47EC-A44A-B06E430ED895@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089584.23782.6696613254629931599.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It's in the Mahabharata, Aranyakaparvan, Patrick.

See online,

http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil/1_sanskr/2_epic/mbh/mbh_03_u.htm

and here are the verse references from the above link:

03,002.017d*0007_01 ?u?r??? ?rava?a? caiva graha?a? dh?ra?a? tath?
03,002.017d*0007_02 ?h?poho 'pi vij??na? tattvaj??na? ca dh?gu???

All the best,
Dominik

Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Universit?t Wien
Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
A-1090 Vienna
Austria
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On 15 May 2010 17:06, Patrick Olivelle <jpo at uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:

> Dear Pa??itasabh?!:
>
> Could a generous soul provide me with the reference to this verse that I
> have simply as from Hemacandra:
>
> Kytoto transliteration:
>
> zuzruuSaa zravaNaM caiva grahaNaM dhaaraNaa tathaa | uuho 'poho
> 'rthavijJaanaM tattvajJaanaM ca dhiiguNaaH ||
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Patrick




From Harunaga.Isaacson at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Sat May 15 19:04:22 2010
From: Harunaga.Isaacson at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Harunaga Isaacson)
Date: Sat, 15 May 10 21:04:22 +0200
Subject: Reference
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbxnMBmUSgAjx-aw1m-QoERbGtafMKyW0tn4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089587.23782.6082347008076443185.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> It's in the Mahabharata, Aranyakaparvan, Patrick.
>
> See online,
>
> http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil/1_sanskr/2_epic/mbh/mbh_03_u.htm
>
> and here are the verse references from the above link:
>
> 03,002.017d*0007_01 ?u?r??? ?rava?a? caiva graha?a? dh?ra?a? tath?
> 03,002.017d*0007_02 ?h?poho 'pi vij??na? tattvaj??na? ca dh?gu???
>   

This is of course a starred passage (as your excerpt from the e-text 
shows), and it is only in three of the
MSS collated by the editors of the MBh CE.

When this verse is cited by commentators on literary works (as it is 
quite a few times) it is sometimes
attributed to K?mandaka. It is indeed found in the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra; 
it is 4.21 in
the Trivandrum Sanskrit Series edition (ed. T Ganapati Sastri, 
Trivandrum 1912). The numbering differs
in other editions, but this verse is I think present in all of them.

But it is quite likely that it can be found in some other sources too, 
perhaps even in one
of Hemacandra's works (presumably Patrick has a quotation with 
attribution to Hemacandra?),
though I can't supply a reference to such an occurrence at present.

Harunaga Isaacson

-- 
Prof. Dr. Harunaga Isaacson
Universit?t Hamburg
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Alsterterrasse 1
D-20354
Hamburg
Germany
tel. +49 (0)40 42838-3382
Alternative email: harunagaisaacson at gmail.com




From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET  Mon May 17 04:18:59 2010
From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam)
Date: Sun, 16 May 10 21:18:59 -0700
Subject: Contact info for Patrick A. Roche?
Message-ID: <161227089590.23782.7073450026926480725.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I would appreciate any contact information for Patrick A. Roche,  
author of the book "Fishermen of the Coromandel" (Published in 1984,  
by Monohar Publications, New Delhi).

Thanks,
V.S. Rajam




From hwtull at MSN.COM  Mon May 17 21:46:31 2010
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Mon, 17 May 10 17:46:31 -0400
Subject: Help with keyboard
In-Reply-To: <op.vcva1qnhcvbgtz@tapti>
Message-ID: <161227089599.23782.11282102328019528742.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am a big fan of Baraha.  When I first made the shift to Windows 7, Baraha 
produced the infamous boxes, etc.  However, I think I caused the problem by 
changing the settings in the "Region and Language" area of the control panel 
(something that I think was required in XP, but apparently not in Windows 
7).  I set everything back to default, and Baraha started to work. 
Incidentally, I use Baraha Direct, and type directly into Word 2007.

I realize Windows and Word are for those of us trapped in this world of 
nescience, but they do have great utility, and I find that with them (and 
Baraha) I am able to easily produce serviceable devanagari.

Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "J?rgen Neuss" <juergen.neuss at FU-BERLIN.DE>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:54 PM
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Help with keyboard

> dear kenneth and others,
>
> i recently tried to install anything i know regarding diacritics, from
> gandhari-unicode to baraha, on the windows 7 computer of one of my
> students. I learned, to my surprise, that nothing worked at all with w7,
> even though different programs use different approaches to override the
> standard windows keyboard layout. i could neither find a solution nor the
> reason for this, nor any kind of workaround. i simply failed. i decided to
> avoid w7 for myaself, [as long as possible] and told my student to do the
> same. she now uses xp again - and no problem at all with either of the
> approaches tried in vain on w7.
> so i can only recommend to downgrade to xp, as long as one cannot use
> another os with suitable software available.
> if anyone has a solution for the w7 problem, i also would be grateful for
> detailed information.
>
> sorry, if some of you find this response lengthy and useless, what it in
> fact is.
>
> cheers
>
> juergen
>
>
>
> Am Mon, 17 May 2010 20:56:07 +0200 hat Kenneth Zysk <zysk at hum.ku.dk>
> geschrieben:
>
>> I just acquired a new computer with Windows 7. I downloaded Gandhari 
>> Unicode fonts and tried, but failed, to download the Keyman keyboard 
>> layout. Can someone kindly tell me how to acquire the necessary keyboard 
>> accessory for the Gandhari Unicode fonts with Windows 7.
>> Many thanks in advance.
>> Best,
>> Ken
>> Kenneth Zysk
>> Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
>> University of Copenhagen
>> Artillerivej 86
>> DK-2300 Copenhagen S    Denmark
>>  Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk
>>
>
>
> -- 
> __________
> J?rgen Neu?
>
> http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~jneuss/
> 




From zysk at HUM.KU.DK  Mon May 17 18:56:07 2010
From: zysk at HUM.KU.DK (Kenneth Zysk)
Date: Mon, 17 May 10 20:56:07 +0200
Subject: Help with keyboard
Message-ID: <161227089592.23782.1325706137886933567.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I just acquired a new computer with Windows 7. I downloaded Gandhari Unicode fonts and tried, but failed, to download the Keyman keyboard layout. Can someone kindly tell me how to acquire the necessary keyboard accessory for the Gandhari Unicode fonts with Windows 7.
 
Many thanks in advance.
 
Best,
Ken
 
Kenneth Zysk
Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
University of Copenhagen
Artillerivej 86    
DK-2300 Copenhagen S    Denmark
 Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk




From zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE  Mon May 17 19:21:12 2010
From: zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE (Prof. Robert J. Zydenbos)
Date: Mon, 17 May 10 21:21:12 +0200
Subject: Help with keyboard
In-Reply-To: <92CFF9099CAE6A489B45DCBF475C3226106591@exchangesrv1.hum2005.hum.ku.dk>
Message-ID: <161227089594.23782.91952796121268512.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I avoid Windows in all its varieties as much as possible and know nothing about Windows7; but rather than using Keyman, you might consider using Dr. Smith's keyboard layout (at http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html), or the Europatastatur (http://www.europatastatur.de/), which makes typing just about any Latin-based Unicode character easy.

RZ

Op Mon, 17 May 2010 20:56:07 +0200 schreef Kenneth Zysk <zysk at hum.ku.dk>:

> I just acquired a new computer with Windows 7. I downloaded Gandhari Unicode fonts and tried, but failed, to download the Keyman keyboard layout. Can someone kindly tell me how to acquire the necessary keyboard accessory for the Gandhari Unicode fonts with Windows 7.
>Many thanks in advance.


-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
Institute of Indology and Tibetology
Department of Asian Studies
University of Munich
Germany
Tel. (+49-89-) 2180-5782
Fax  (+49-89-) 2180-5827
Web  http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~zydenbos




From juergen.neuss at FU-BERLIN.DE  Mon May 17 20:54:53 2010
From: juergen.neuss at FU-BERLIN.DE (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Neuss?=)
Date: Mon, 17 May 10 22:54:53 +0200
Subject: Help with keyboard
In-Reply-To: <92CFF9099CAE6A489B45DCBF475C3226106591@exchangesrv1.hum2005.hum.ku.dk>
Message-ID: <161227089597.23782.15917619183197734943.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

dear kenneth and others,

i recently tried to install anything i know regarding diacritics, from
gandhari-unicode to baraha, on the windows 7 computer of one of my
students. I learned, to my surprise, that nothing worked at all with w7,
even though different programs use different approaches to override the
standard windows keyboard layout. i could neither find a solution nor the
reason for this, nor any kind of workaround. i simply failed. i decided to
avoid w7 for myaself, [as long as possible] and told my student to do the
same. she now uses xp again - and no problem at all with either of the
approaches tried in vain on w7.
so i can only recommend to downgrade to xp, as long as one cannot use
another os with suitable software available.
if anyone has a solution for the w7 problem, i also would be grateful for
detailed information.

sorry, if some of you find this response lengthy and useless, what it in
fact is.

cheers

juergen



Am Mon, 17 May 2010 20:56:07 +0200 hat Kenneth Zysk <zysk at hum.ku.dk>
geschrieben:

> I just acquired a new computer with Windows 7. I downloaded Gandhari  
> Unicode fonts and tried, but failed, to download the Keyman keyboard  
> layout. Can someone kindly tell me how to acquire the necessary keyboard  
> accessory for the Gandhari Unicode fonts with Windows 7.
> Many thanks in advance.
> Best,
> Ken
> Kenneth Zysk
> Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
> University of Copenhagen
> Artillerivej 86
> DK-2300 Copenhagen S    Denmark
>  Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk
>


-- 
__________
J?rgen Neu?

http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~jneuss/




From KiePue at T-ONLINE.DE  Tue May 18 06:56:14 2010
From: KiePue at T-ONLINE.DE (=?utf-8?Q?petra_kieffer-P=C3=BClz?=)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 08:56:14 +0200
Subject: ku=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=ADik=C4=81?=
Message-ID: <161227089601.23782.13298557125735393246.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear All,

in an old commentary (from a Buddhist context) of about the first  
century AD, and probably of South Indian origin, i.e. in the  
Andhaka??hakath?, I have the statement that after burning a  
corpse a hut (ku?ik?) is erected (kar?yati) for the ashes and the  
bones.

Does anybody know whether this is some general habit or perhaps a  
local custom or perhaps restricted to a specific time.

Any suggestions are welcome,
Petra

***************************
Dr. Petra Kieffer-P?lz
Wilhelm-K?lz-Str. 2
99423 Weimar
Germany
Tel. 03643/770447

email:
kiepue at t-online.de
petra.kieffer-puelz at adwmainz.de




From rospatt at BERKELEY.EDU  Tue May 18 16:14:05 2010
From: rospatt at BERKELEY.EDU (Alexander von Rospatt)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 09:14:05 -0700
Subject: OCR for Romanized Sanskrit with Diacritics
Message-ID: <161227089608.23782.8515374627063031149.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Computer-Literati, 

I have been in contact with Dominik Wujastyk regarding the application of OCR to romanized Sanskrit.

Dominik responded: 

Several software packages will do that quite well, even Acrobat 9.  It's critical that the exemplar is good and that the scan is not a too low a resolution.  300dpi minimum, 400dpi+ better.  ...
If you choose one of the better contemporary OCR packages, and really learn how to use it, I believe you can get good results even for romanized Sanskrit.  The advent of Unicode has changed everything, and many software packages are now more or less obliged to be strongly multilingual and recognise a wide range of diacritcal marks...
Acrobat is the only one with Clearscan font technology, I believe, which is very good it you can use it.

I wonder about others' experiences in using OCR for this purpose. Which programs are most user-friendly, and which programs did you have the best results with?


Many thanks,

Alex Rospatt




----------------
Alexander von Rospatt, Professor and Chair
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies
Head Graduate Adviser of the Group in Buddhist Studies 
University of California 
7233 Dwinelle Hall # 2540
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
USA
 
Phone: +1-510-6421610
Fax: +1-510-6432959
Email:  rospatt at berkeley.edu




From ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA  Tue May 18 19:11:04 2010
From: ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 12:11:04 -0700
Subject: ku=?utf-8?Q?=E1=B9=ADik=C4=81?=
In-Reply-To: <1302_1274165788_1274165788_4C873B97-0F7D-4CE7-A576-67DE806D131F@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <161227089613.23782.3937944997484868600.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am not informed well enough to answer your particular question. However, it may be helpful to you to know that a detail *partially* similar to the one you mention is found in: Jambhala-datta's Version of the Vetaala-pa;nca-vi.m;sati, ed and tr by M.B. Emeneau, New Haven, Connecticut: American Oriental Society, 1934, A.O.Series vol. 4, p. 26: aparo braahma.nas tasyaa;s citaa-bhasmani g.rha.m k.rtvaa tatraiva parih.rta-sukhas tasthau.


Ashok Aklujkar
Professor Emeritus
University of British Columbia



On 2010-05-17, at 11:56 PM, petra kieffer-P?lz wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> in an old commentary (from a Buddhist context) of about the first century AD, and probably of South Indian origin, i.e. in the Andhaka??hakath?, I have the statement that after burning a corpse a hut (ku?ik?) is erected (kar?yati) for the ashes and the bones.
> 
> Does anybody know whether this is some general habit or perhaps a local custom or perhaps restricted to a specific time.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome,
> Petra
> 
> ***************************
> Dr. Petra Kieffer-P?lz
> Wilhelm-K?lz-Str. 2
> 99423 Weimar
> Germany
> Tel. 03643/770447
> 
> email:
> kiepue at t-online.de
> petra.kieffer-puelz at adwmainz.de




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Tue May 18 14:39:46 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 16:39:46 +0200
Subject: Help with keyboard
In-Reply-To: <414326.65727.qm@web94801.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227089606.23782.2198155290846210126.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

If you have Windows 7, you can still use www.Virtualbox.org to run a genuine
WinXP session in a window on the Windows 7 desktop.   You'll need the
original WinXP installation disks, and 10GB or so of disk space.  Then you
can - in your WinXP window - run all your familiar stuff.

John Smith's Windows keyboard handler for Indic Unicode has been mentioned a
couple of times.  It's here:

   - http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html

It works with Windows 7.  In his README.txt file, he says,

(On Vista or Windows 7 systems, if clicking on setup.exe fails to
> install the layout, you may need to disable Microsoft's User Account
> Control mechanism (UAC). Go into the Control Panel and type "UAC" into
> the search box. Follow the link that appears to "Turn User Account
> Control (UAC) on or off", and then uncheck the box for "Use User
> Account Control (UAC) to help protect your computer", and click "OK".
> You will have to reboot for the change to come into effect.)


It's possible that these instructions may help with other keyboard-handlers
too, I don't know.

Dominik


Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Universit?t Wien
Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
A-1090 Vienna
Austria




From kellner at ASIA-EUROPE.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Tue May 18 16:32:50 2010
From: kellner at ASIA-EUROPE.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Kellner, Birgit)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 18:32:50 +0200
Subject: AW: [INDOLOGY] OCR for Romanized Sanskrit with Diacritics
In-Reply-To: <ECA4D788-B1CC-4E4C-9C43-53FB4128F270@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089611.23782.11555267895045924017.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

ABBYY finereader, though not cheap, is the best product I know (http://www.abbyy.com/). I use it regularly to produce searchable PDFs from scanned secondary literature, with the text underlying the image (this can also be done with Acrobat, but ABBYY is more accurate). 

It needs to be trained, though, to recognize romanized Sanskrit, and one probably has to define different training patterns depending on the typeface of the original (older books with "typewriter diacriticals" are a nightmare). But the training capacity is in ABBYY without limitations (whereas other products that come bundled with scanners sometimes allow you to only store up to a certain number of custom characters in a training file - last time I checked). 

I am wondering whether Acrobat recognizes diacritics like ?, ?, ? or ? and properly selects the fitting Unicode letters. I've never tried - does it, Dominik? 

Best, 

Birgit
________________________________________
Von: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] im Auftrag von Alexander von Rospatt [rospatt at BERKELEY.EDU]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2010 18:14
An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] OCR for Romanized Sanskrit with Diacritics

Dear Computer-Literati,

I have been in contact with Dominik Wujastyk regarding the application of OCR to romanized Sanskrit.

Dominik responded:

Several software packages will do that quite well, even Acrobat 9.  It's critical that the exemplar is good and that the scan is not a too low a resolution.  300dpi minimum, 400dpi+ better.  ...
If you choose one of the better contemporary OCR packages, and really learn how to use it, I believe you can get good results even for romanized Sanskrit.  The advent of Unicode has changed everything, and many software packages are now more or less obliged to be strongly multilingual and recognise a wide range of diacritcal marks...
Acrobat is the only one with Clearscan font technology, I believe, which is very good it you can use it.

I wonder about others' experiences in using OCR for this purpose. Which programs are most user-friendly, and which programs did you have the best results with?


Many thanks,

Alex Rospatt




----------------
Alexander von Rospatt, Professor and Chair
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies
Head Graduate Adviser of the Group in Buddhist Studies
University of California
7233 Dwinelle Hall # 2540
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
USA

Phone: +1-510-6421610
Fax: +1-510-6432959
Email:  rospatt at berkeley.edu




From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM  Tue May 18 13:26:53 2010
From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 18:56:53 +0530
Subject: Help with keyboard
In-Reply-To: <COL103-DS67BD88D555DD27B830088DBE00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227089604.23782.3308391296988490848.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,
Baraha worked with my Windows 7. iLEAP did not work. But it accepted a new non-unicode inscript processor similar to iLEAP. But otherwise my experience with Windows 7 has not been happy. It does not accept the old DOS based conventional programming languages. 
I do not know if I have read it correctly but It seems that Windows aims at keeping its users? more and more dependent on it by withdrawing the opportunities of independent programming. My vendor advised me to instal the new?Windows based?Visual Basic Studio (Visual Studio 2008)to do programming as one formerly did with TC or QB. The Acrobat writer began to function only after that. It has some user friendly packages. That may be useful for commercial users. And, apparently, things are better.?But, perhaps, freedom is curtailed.? For me it?may take time to get used to the new set up.?To make things as good as with the previous version, it seems advisable to keep a Windows?XP ready.? However since I am no expert more knowledgeable colleagues may kindly comment.
Best for all
DB?

--- On Mon, 17/5/10, Herman Tull <hwtull at MSN.COM> wrote:


From: Herman Tull <hwtull at MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Help with keyboard
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Date: Monday, 17 May, 2010, 9:46 PM


I am a big fan of Baraha.? When I first made the shift to Windows 7, Baraha produced the infamous boxes, etc.? However, I think I caused the problem by changing the settings in the "Region and Language" area of the control panel (something that I think was required in XP, but apparently not in Windows 7).? I set everything back to default, and Baraha started to work. Incidentally, I use Baraha Direct, and type directly into Word 2007.

I realize Windows and Word are for those of us trapped in this world of nescience, but they do have great utility, and I find that with them (and Baraha) I am able to easily produce serviceable devanagari.

Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "J?rgen Neuss" <juergen.neuss at FU-BERLIN.DE>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:54 PM
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Help with keyboard

> dear kenneth and others,
> 
> i recently tried to install anything i know regarding diacritics, from
> gandhari-unicode to baraha, on the windows 7 computer of one of my
> students. I learned, to my surprise, that nothing worked at all with w7,
> even though different programs use different approaches to override the
> standard windows keyboard layout. i could neither find a solution nor the
> reason for this, nor any kind of workaround. i simply failed. i decided to
> avoid w7 for myaself, [as long as possible] and told my student to do the
> same. she now uses xp again - and no problem at all with either of the
> approaches tried in vain on w7.
> so i can only recommend to downgrade to xp, as long as one cannot use
> another os with suitable software available.
> if anyone has a solution for the w7 problem, i also would be grateful for
> detailed information.
> 
> sorry, if some of you find this response lengthy and useless, what it in
> fact is.
> 
> cheers
> 
> juergen
> 
> 
> 
> Am Mon, 17 May 2010 20:56:07 +0200 hat Kenneth Zysk <zysk at hum.ku.dk>
> geschrieben:
> 
>> I just acquired a new computer with Windows 7. I downloaded Gandhari Unicode fonts and tried, but failed, to download the Keyman keyboard layout. Can someone kindly tell me how to acquire the necessary keyboard accessory for the Gandhari Unicode fonts with Windows 7.
>> Many thanks in advance.
>> Best,
>> Ken
>> Kenneth Zysk
>> Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
>> University of Copenhagen
>> Artillerivej 86
>> DK-2300 Copenhagen S? ? Denmark
>>? Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk
>> 
> 
> 
> -- __________
> J?rgen Neu?
> 
> http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~jneuss/
> 







From xadxura at LIVE.COM  Wed May 19 04:22:23 2010
From: xadxura at LIVE.COM (Andrew Glass)
Date: Tue, 18 May 10 21:22:23 -0700
Subject: Help with keyboard
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinahQhfqDZWqYOrFSE44wBwOAp3R3E4JE-kUg5s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089618.23782.4871191874517967835.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> It's possible that these instructions may help with other keyboard-handlers too, I don't know.

Dominik is correct about this, the UAC controls in Vista and Windows 7 block some keyboard handlers from reaching into the text stack to intercept key strokes - this is for a good reason, key logging malware can be used to record a user's password and report it to a remote machine so that someone can hack into your bank account. Therefore I wouldn't recommend turning this protection off.

Rather one can right click on the installation file and select "Run as administrator". I have used this technique to successfully install the Keyman software (version 5) that Ken reported having problems with. One caveat is that this software is 32 bit and will not work on 64 bit versions of Windows even with the above technique. You can check which version of Windows you have by looking in the control panel:
Control Panel\System and Security\System


Andrew




From arlogriffiths at HOTMAIL.COM  Wed May 19 01:25:45 2010
From: arlogriffiths at HOTMAIL.COM (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 01:25:45 +0000
Subject: [INDOL OGY] ku=?utf-8?Q?=E1=B9=ADik_=C4=81?=
In-Reply-To: <19F59185-896B-4D07-817C-132A3A5B515F@ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227089615.23782.17330379899988960364.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


I think here a few glances in Caland's Altindische Toten- und Bestattungsgebr?uche may yield some useful information. I do not have the mentioned work at hand to check, but have a recollection of having read something similar.
Arlo GriffithsEFEO / Jakarta
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:11:04 -0700
> From: ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] ku?ik?
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>
> I am not informed well enough to answer your particular question. However, it may be helpful to you to know that a detail *partially* similar to the one you mention is found in: Jambhala-datta's Version of the Vetaala-pa;nca-vi.m;sati, ed and tr by M.B. Emeneau, New Haven, Connecticut: American Oriental Society, 1934, A.O.Series vol. 4, p. 26: aparo braahma.nas tasyaa;s citaa-bhasmani g.rha.m k.rtvaa tatraiva parih.rta-sukhas tasthau.
>
>
> Ashok Aklujkar
> Professor Emeritus
> University of British Columbia
>
>
>
> On 2010-05-17, at 11:56 PM, petra kieffer-P?lz wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> in an old commentary (from a Buddhist context) of about the first century AD, and probably of South Indian origin, i.e. in the Andhaka??hakath?, I have the statement that after burning a corpse a hut (ku?ik?) is erected (kar?yati) for the ashes and the bones.
>>
>> Does anybody know whether this is some general habit or perhaps a local custom or perhaps restricted to a specific time.
>>
>> Any suggestions are welcome,
>> Petra
>>
>> ***************************
>> Dr. Petra Kieffer-P?lz
>> Wilhelm-K?lz-Str. 2
>> 99423 Weimar
>> Germany
>> Tel. 03643/770447
>>
>> email:
>> kiepue at t-online.de
>> petra.kieffer-puelz at adwmainz.de
 		 	   		  
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From ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed May 19 11:21:23 2010
From: ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul G. Hackett)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 07:21:23 -0400
Subject: wget (was: Re: Abhandlungen der K=?iso-8859-15?Q?=F6nigliche?=              n Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu Berli)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTineXq36EeEhmoFDwKi-9AlyWAuHM9cSmzpQmFg3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089629.23782.6631699928047766627.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I recommend "BatchDownload" -- a Firefox plugin.  It allows you to 
specify a base URL and auto-increment image numbers.  It works on 
complex URLs and allow for file renaming (necessary if the image 
files are being served from a script). See:

http://panshisoft.cn/batchdownload.htm

It works on both Mac & PC platforms.

Best,

Paul Hackett
Columbia University


At 12:49 PM +0200 5/19/10, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>I was recently trying to help a colleague with the bash script below for
>fetching entire books from the Digital Library of India.  He had Windows, so
>we installed CygWin, in order to get bash and wget.  However, the script
>wouldn't work.
>
>I finally discovered that the essential syntax I'm using below, "for i in
>{X..Y..Z}", works with bash version 4, but not earlier.  And CygWin's bash
>is still at version 3 (so in MinGW's).
>
>When I type "bash --version", I get this:
>
>$ bash --version
>>  GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
>>  Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>>  License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
>>  http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
>>
>
>Sorry, Windows users, it looks like you'll have to wait until bash 4 gets
>into CygWin or MinGW.
>
>Best,
>Dominik
>
>2010/1/14 Dominik Wujastyk <ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk>
>
>>  Birgit is quite right about the value of wget.  It's an amazing little
>>  tool.  I use it routinely to get books from the Digital Library of India,
>>  where texts are presented only as individual pages.
>>
>>  Until about a year ago, one could use the "-r" recursion setting of wget
>>  to fetch a whole directory-full of files in one go.  Then the DLI disabled
>>  that feature.  So now one has to issue a wget command for each page.
>>  But it's easy to do with a small bash script like this:
>>
>>  ---------- cut here -----------
>>  #!/bin/bash
>>
>>  # fetch Kapadia_Desc.Cat.Govt.Colls.MSS.BORI-Jaina
>>  # Literature and Philosophy XIX.1 Svetambara Works_1957
>>
>>  for i in {00000001..397..1}
>>         do
>>                 wget
>>  http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/$i.tif
>>         done
>>  ---------- cut here -----------
>>
>>  The magic number "371" is the number of pages in the book, which DLI tells
>>  you.  In Firefox, you can find out the directory in which a book's TIFF
>>  files live by loading a page of the book and then hitting Tools/Page Info
>>  and selecting "media".
>>
>>  Bash is the default shell in Linux; it's also available to Windows users
>>  by installing the excellent Cygwin.
>>
>>  Best,
>>  Dominik
>>
>>




From ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed May 19 11:32:31 2010
From: ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul G. Hackett)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 07:32:31 -0400
Subject: AW: [INDOLOGY] OCR for Romanized Sanskrit with Diacritics
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikegzH2oKHe_9cLsj7vrcVMI4916txjzUXALQSo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089632.23782.8275732768012626613.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At 6:32 PM +0200 5/18/10, Kellner, Birgit wrote:
>
>ABBYY finereader, though not cheap, is the best product I know 
>(http://www.abbyy.com/). I use it regularly to produce searchable 
>PDFs from scanned secondary literature, with the text underlying the 
>image (this can also be done with Acrobat, but ABBYY is more 
>accurate).

I would agree with Birgit on this point.  I have had great succes 
with ABBYY working with diacritic characters and, most recently, with 
Devanagari -- see:

http://www.columbia.edu/~ph2046/RnD/Hackett/SktComp.html

Eventually, it is my hope to make both my diacritic & Devanagari 
recognition files for ABBYY freely available for others to use.

also, at 10:59 AM +0200 5/19/10, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>I did some simple tests this morning, and I was startled at how bad the
>results were.  I scanned a page of a Brill book on indology at 300dpi.
...
>After selecting and copying all the text from the resulting PDFs, and
>examining them in a plain-text editor (UTF8-aware), the results were
>dreadful.  Many, many errors, and certainly no diacritcal marks.

Part of the problem with the poor results that you experienced is 
certainly due to the fact that you were working with 300 dpi scans. 
This is too low of a resolution for OCR.  You need a minimum of 400 
dpi for decent OCR accuracy.

Best,

Paul Hackett
Columbia University




From ebashir at UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed May 19 14:02:07 2010
From: ebashir at UCHICAGO.EDU (Elena Bashir)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 09:02:07 -0500
Subject: order of letters
In-Reply-To: <COL103-DS11F823BE6AEBEFD59EC111DBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227089641.23782.11253532460254609616.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This would seem to be an important issue for electronic dictionaries - 
in connection sorting and searching.


On 5/19/2010 8:38 AM, Herman Tull wrote:
> I am putting together some simple rules for first year students.  In 
> dealing with the order of the letters, there is the ever present 
> confusion over the placement of anusvAra and visarga.  I notice that 
> Monier Williams and Macdonell are consistent in their placement of the 
> anusvara (placing it after the vowels when it precedes the semi-vowels 
> or the sibilants).  But, they seem not to agree on the placement of 
> the visarga.  Macdonell follows the rule that he states in his student 
> grammar (p. 3), that the visarga follows the vowels when it precedes 
> "k" and "p" and that it when it precedes a sibilant it is placed in 
> the consonantal order of the sibilants.  E.g., on p. 17 of his 
> dictionary he has an article for antaH-ka... and then on p. 18 he has 
> the article for antaH-sa...
>
> Monier-Williams, on the other hand, combines this all into one article 
> (p. 43, "antaH"), and so does not distinguish between visarga before 
> "k" and "p" on the one hand, and before the sibilants on the other, 
> treating all of it as if it precedes "antar" (which seems incorrect, 
> since antaH-sa would not precede antar according to the rule).
>
> A small matter (especially with the advent of the electronic 
> dictionary), perhaps, but can anyone shed light on this?
>
> Herman Tull 

-- 
E. Bashir, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer in Urdu
Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations
The University of Chicago, Foster 212
1130 E. 59th St.
Chicago, IL 60637
Phone:  773-702-8632
Fax:    773-834-3254




From hwtull at MSN.COM  Wed May 19 13:38:36 2010
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 09:38:36 -0400
Subject: order of letters
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUwPTbin2wB_yGYQ49Sv59mgBhqzJ2Bih4wkUp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089638.23782.18214756087941650514.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am putting together some simple rules for first year students.  In dealing 
with the order of the letters, there is the ever present confusion over the 
placement of anusvAra and visarga.  I notice that Monier Williams and 
Macdonell are consistent in their placement of the anusvara (placing it 
after the vowels when it precedes the semi-vowels or the sibilants).  But, 
they seem not to agree on the placement of the visarga.  Macdonell follows 
the rule that he states in his student grammar (p. 3), that the visarga 
follows the vowels when it precedes "k" and "p" and that it when it precedes 
a sibilant it is placed in the consonantal order of the sibilants.  E.g., on 
p. 17 of his dictionary he has an article for antaH-ka... and then on p. 18 
he has the article for antaH-sa...

Monier-Williams, on the other hand, combines this all into one article (p. 
43, "antaH"), and so does not distinguish between visarga before "k" and "p" 
on the one hand, and before the sibilants on the other, treating all of it 
as if it precedes "antar" (which seems incorrect, since antaH-sa would not 
precede antar according to the rule).

A small matter (especially with the advent of the electronic dictionary), 
perhaps, but can anyone shed light on this?

Herman Tull 




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Wed May 19 08:59:55 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 10:59:55 +0200
Subject: AW: [INDOLOGY] OCR for Romanized Sanskrit with Diacritics
In-Reply-To: <1ED2F08480CEB74FB91BD2BC070F8E013766904BEB@MBX02.ad.uni-heidelberg.de>
Message-ID: <161227089620.23782.13937209579798531367.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On 18 May 2010 18:32, Kellner, Birgit <kellner at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de
> wrote:

>
> I am wondering whether Acrobat recognizes diacritics like ?, ?, ? or ? and
> properly selects the fitting Unicode letters. I've never tried - does it,
> Dominik?
>
> Best,
>
> Birgit
>


I did some simple tests this morning, and I was startled at how bad the
results were.  I scanned a page of a Brill book on indology at 300dpi.  I
then ran the resulting jpeg through the ORC of Acrobat 9, using both "exact
image" and "Clearscan".  (The latter creates vector fonts on the fly,
matching the look of the fonts in the document. Very clever.)

After selecting and copying all the text from the resulting PDFs, and
examining them in a plain-text editor (UTF8-aware), the results were
dreadful.  Many, many errors, and certainly no diacritcal marks.

So my earlier impression that current off-the-shelf OCR was mature in
recognising accented characters was completely wrong.  And I was rather
shocked at how bad the OCR was even for non-accented text.

Acrobat 9 is quite a complicated product, and it is possible that there are
settings I am not aware of that could improve the OCR.  I had a quick search
through the Preferences to see if one could set character sets for the OCR,
but I couldn't find anything relevant.  The basic OCR menu contains a single
language setting, which I had set appropriately.

I think my "residual memory" of OCR being good on diacritics was a
mis-remembering based on  the scenario that when I copy and paste text from
the PDFs produced by my TeX system, as I occasionally do, all the diacritics
are correct, and properly coded in UTF8.  I'm using XeLaTeX (with the
xunicode package).

Best,
Dominik




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Wed May 19 15:26:12 2010
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 11:26:12 -0400
Subject: FW: [INDOLOGY] order of letters
In-Reply-To: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D713E319AE64@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089646.23782.2141920618294240133.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

Even the great Panini did not include the sounds (anusv?ra, visarga, jihv?m?l?ya, upadhm?n?ya and the so-called yamas) in his ?ivas?tras.  They are called ayogav?ha sounds.  The tradition incorporates them in two places in the ?ivas?tras (so that they can be included in the two separate praty?h?ras: a? and ?al).  The jihv?m?l?ya and upadhm?n?ya are lost in most common writing forms, and are expressly lost in some Vedic schools like the M?dhyandina Yajurveda.  The two surviving sounds, the anusv?ra and visarga are conventionally accommodated at the end of vowels and represented as a? and a?.   This lack of a fixed location for these sounds has created a free-for-all pattern in modern dictionaries.

Madhav M. Deshpande

________________________________________
From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Elena Bashir [ebashir at UCHICAGO.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:02 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] order of letters

This would seem to be an important issue for electronic dictionaries -
in connection sorting and searching.


On 5/19/2010 8:38 AM, Herman Tull wrote:
> I am putting together some simple rules for first year students.  In
> dealing with the order of the letters, there is the ever present
> confusion over the placement of anusvAra and visarga.  I notice that
> Monier Williams and Macdonell are consistent in their placement of the
> anusvara (placing it after the vowels when it precedes the semi-vowels
> or the sibilants).  But, they seem not to agree on the placement of
> the visarga.  Macdonell follows the rule that he states in his student
> grammar (p. 3), that the visarga follows the vowels when it precedes
> "k" and "p" and that it when it precedes a sibilant it is placed in
> the consonantal order of the sibilants.  E.g., on p. 17 of his
> dictionary he has an article for antaH-ka... and then on p. 18 he has
> the article for antaH-sa...
>
> Monier-Williams, on the other hand, combines this all into one article
> (p. 43, "antaH"), and so does not distinguish between visarga before
> "k" and "p" on the one hand, and before the sibilants on the other,
> treating all of it as if it precedes "antar" (which seems incorrect,
> since antaH-sa would not precede antar according to the rule).
>
> A small matter (especially with the advent of the electronic
> dictionary), perhaps, but can anyone shed light on this?
>
> Herman Tull

--
E. Bashir, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer in Urdu
Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations
The University of Chicago, Foster 212
1130 E. 59th St.
Chicago, IL 60637
Phone:  773-702-8632
Fax:    773-834-3254




From kellner at ASIA-EUROPE.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Wed May 19 09:44:26 2010
From: kellner at ASIA-EUROPE.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 11:44:26 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Workshop "Modern Formalisms for Pre-Modern Indian Logic and              Epistemology"
Message-ID: <161227089622.23782.16550663801705111677.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear fellow list-members,

find attached the announcement of a workshop at the University of 
Hamburg, June 4-6, 2010.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Workshop "Modern Formalisms for Pre-Modern Indian Logic and
Epistemology"
Date: 	Wed, 19 May 2010 09:58:08 +0200
From: 	Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse <mhgorisse at gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	Indology Committee <INDOLOGYCOMMITTEE at liverpool.ac.uk>
To: 	INDOLOGYCOMMITTEE at liverpool.ac.uk <INDOLOGYCOMMITTEE at liverpool.ac.uk>



Dear members of the Indology list,
I am really please to announce the following workshop:

*Modern Formalisms for Pre-Modern Indian Logic and Epistemology*
to be held in Hamburg (Germany)
from the 4th to the 6th of June 2010

Please find below a descriptive of the project and at the following
adress schedule and abstracts of the talks:
*http://www.math.uni-hamburg.de/home/loewe/MoFPILE/*

Hoping to meet you there,
Best regards,
Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse
<http://stl.recherche.univ-lille3.fr/sitespersonnels/rahman/rahmanequipegorisse2006.html>
Phd-student on Jain philosophy and philosophy of logic
University of Lille (France)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/Modern Formalisms for Pre-Modern Indian Logic and Epistemology/

The Indian traditions of logic and epistemology do not fit into the
deductive paradigm of mathematical logic which forms the foundations of
a large part of current philosophical logic. Instead, intersubjectivity
and interaction play an important role in it. In this respect, they are
similar to large parts of the Western medieval and early modern logic
traditions (e.g., the /obligationes/ or the /Logique de Port Royal/).
In the past decades, logicians focused on the interactive paradigm and
investigated logics of knowledge, belief and communication. These logics
have been successfully used in the formalization of Western medieval
texts. We expect that similar successes are possible in the field of
Indian logic and epistemology. Our workshop will be an encounter between
the two relevant research communities.

/Die indischen Traditionen der Logik und Erkenntnistheorie f?gen sich
nicht dem deduktiven Paradigma der mathematischen Logik, welches dem
Gro?teil der zeitgen?ssischen philosophischen Logik zugrundeliegt.
Stattdessen spielen Intersubjektivit?t und Interaktion eine gro?e Rolle.
In dieser Hinsicht ?hneln sie vielen Teilen der westlichen
mittelalterlichen und fr?hneuzeitlichen Logik (z.B. die
//obligationes-Tradition oder die //Logique de Port Royal)/.
/In den letzten Jahrzehnten haben Logiker sich st?rker dem interaktiven
Paradigma zugewandt und Logiken des Wissens, des Glaubens, und der
Kommunikation untersucht. Diese Logiken sind sind erfolgreich bei der
Formalisierung westlicher mittelalterlicher Texte eingesetzt worden und
es ist zu erwarten, dass ?hnliche Erfolge auch im Bereich der indischen
Logik und Erkenntnistheorie m?glich sind. Unser Workshop wird eine
Ann?herung der beiden beteiligten Forschungsgemeinschaften sein. /




From dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM  Wed May 19 18:56:14 2010
From: dbhattacharya200498 at YAHOO.COM (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 11:56:14 -0700
Subject: order of letters
Message-ID: <161227089656.23782.7581249423322841507.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The chart of sounds called the M?he?varasutras that will be found at the beginning of P??ini?s grammar is no paradigmatic structure of Sanskrit or NIA phonemes. The Rik-Pr?ti??khya is more systematic and is followed even in the alphabet charts for children in most of the NIA primers. Its arrangement and logic is clear and may be taken as an authentic chart of the original sounds. 
There are four blocks of consonants. In the first block of five series of what the grammarians call spar?as, the series - velar, palatal, retroflex, dental and labial - are arranged according to the place of articulation and the individual consonants in each series according to what the grammarians call prayatna ?effort?. The non-spar?a anta?sthas (semivowels and liquids) y,r,l,v follow the first block. They too are arranged according to their place of articulation. So are the sibilants h, ?, ? and s forming the third block. The spirants ?, the jihv?m?l?ya, the upadhm?n?ya form the fourth block. They too are arranged according to their place of articulation. The anusv?ra that has both vocalic and consonantal character stands alone without a place of utterance. ?The logic behind keeping the spirants apart is most probably their inability to form an ak?ara with a following vowel. In normal Sanskrit the ? too does not form an ak?ara
 with its following vowel. But improvised words like ya?i in P??ini?s grammar shows the theoretical possibility to form such a syllable. This becomes a living reality in some NIA languages. But this is not possible with ?, ? or ? even in NIA. 
Best 
DB






From hwtull at MSN.COM  Wed May 19 16:47:22 2010
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 12:47:22 -0400
Subject: FW: [INDOLOGY] order of letters
In-Reply-To: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D713E319AE65@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
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Dear Prof. Deshpande:
Thank you for this information; it is extremely helpful.  Most modern 
grammars simply ignore this.
Herman Tull

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Deshpande, Madhav" <mmdesh at UMICH.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:26 AM
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] FW: [INDOLOGY] order of letters

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Even the great Panini did not include the sounds (anusv?ra, visarga, 
> jihv?m?l?ya, upadhm?n?ya and the so-called yamas) in his ?ivas?tras.  They 
> are called ayogav?ha sounds.  The tradition incorporates them in two 
> places in the ?ivas?tras (so that they can be included in the two separate 
> praty?h?ras: a? and ?al).  The jihv?m?l?ya and upadhm?n?ya are lost in 
> most common writing forms, and are expressly lost in some Vedic schools 
> like the M?dhyandina Yajurveda.  The two surviving sounds, the anusv?ra 
> and visarga are conventionally accommodated at the end of vowels and 
> represented as a? and a?.   This lack of a fixed location for these sounds 
> has created a free-for-all pattern in modern dictionaries.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Elena Bashir 
> [ebashir at UCHICAGO.EDU]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:02 AM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] order of letters
>
> This would seem to be an important issue for electronic dictionaries -
> in connection sorting and searching.
>
>
> On 5/19/2010 8:38 AM, Herman Tull wrote:
>> I am putting together some simple rules for first year students.  In
>> dealing with the order of the letters, there is the ever present
>> confusion over the placement of anusvAra and visarga.  I notice that
>> Monier Williams and Macdonell are consistent in their placement of the
>> anusvara (placing it after the vowels when it precedes the semi-vowels
>> or the sibilants).  But, they seem not to agree on the placement of
>> the visarga.  Macdonell follows the rule that he states in his student
>> grammar (p. 3), that the visarga follows the vowels when it precedes
>> "k" and "p" and that it when it precedes a sibilant it is placed in
>> the consonantal order of the sibilants.  E.g., on p. 17 of his
>> dictionary he has an article for antaH-ka... and then on p. 18 he has
>> the article for antaH-sa...
>>
>> Monier-Williams, on the other hand, combines this all into one article
>> (p. 43, "antaH"), and so does not distinguish between visarga before
>> "k" and "p" on the one hand, and before the sibilants on the other,
>> treating all of it as if it precedes "antar" (which seems incorrect,
>> since antaH-sa would not precede antar according to the rule).
>>
>> A small matter (especially with the advent of the electronic
>> dictionary), perhaps, but can anyone shed light on this?
>>
>> Herman Tull
>
> --
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> Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations
> The University of Chicago, Foster 212
> 1130 E. 59th St.
> Chicago, IL 60637
> Phone:  773-702-8632
> Fax:    773-834-3254
> 




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Wed May 19 10:49:35 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 12:49:35 +0200
Subject: wget (was: Re: Abhandlungen der K=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=B6nigliche?= n              Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu Berli)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.1001141118380.12704@socrates-a.ucl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <161227089624.23782.14348255353471372622.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I was recently trying to help a colleague with the bash script below for
fetching entire books from the Digital Library of India.  He had Windows, so
we installed CygWin, in order to get bash and wget.  However, the script
wouldn't work.

I finally discovered that the essential syntax I'm using below, "for i in
{X..Y..Z}", works with bash version 4, but not earlier.  And CygWin's bash
is still at version 3 (so in MinGW's).

When I type "bash --version", I get this:

$ bash --version
> GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
> Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
> http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
>

Sorry, Windows users, it looks like you'll have to wait until bash 4 gets
into CygWin or MinGW.

Best,
Dominik

2010/1/14 Dominik Wujastyk <ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk>

> Birgit is quite right about the value of wget.  It's an amazing little
> tool.  I use it routinely to get books from the Digital Library of India,
> where texts are presented only as individual pages.
>
> Until about a year ago, one could use the "-r" recursion setting of wget
> to fetch a whole directory-full of files in one go.  Then the DLI disabled
> that feature.  So now one has to issue a wget command for each page.
> But it's easy to do with a small bash script like this:
>
> ---------- cut here -----------
> #!/bin/bash
>
> # fetch Kapadia_Desc.Cat.Govt.Colls.MSS.BORI-Jaina
> # Literature and Philosophy XIX.1 Svetambara Works_1957
>
> for i in {00000001..397..1}
>        do
>                wget
> http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/$i.tif
>        done
> ---------- cut here -----------
>
> The magic number "371" is the number of pages in the book, which DLI tells
> you.  In Firefox, you can find out the directory in which a book's TIFF
> files live by loading a page of the book and then hitting Tools/Page Info
> and selecting "media".
>
> Bash is the default shell in Linux; it's also available to Windows users
> by installing the excellent Cygwin.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>




From thomaskintaert at GMAIL.COM  Wed May 19 11:50:26 2010
From: thomaskintaert at GMAIL.COM (Thomas Kintaert)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 12:50:26 +0100
Subject: Help with keyboard
Message-ID: <161227089636.23782.4250955339285567354.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Although I don't use Windows 7 myself, its "Windows XP Mode" might also be 
of help. It is available as a free download, however only for owners of the 
Professional, Ultimate or Enterprise edition of Windows 7. See
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/windows-xp-
mode
and
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2010/01/windows-xp-mode.ars 

Here is some more information including further requirements:

"Microsoft is using its Virtual PC technology to allow Windows 7 users to 
run programs that work in Windows XP but not in Windows Vista. [...] XP Mode 
needs a beefier system than that required to just run Windows 7 or XP alone, 
including at least 2GB of memory and a system that has chip-level 
virtualization from either Intel or AMD." [...] At its core, XP mode 
consists of two things, the Windows Virtual PC engine and a licensed copy of 
Windows XP Service Pack 3 as a packaged virtual machine. [...] One of the 
benefits of XP Mode over Microsoft's existing virtualization products is the 
fact that, after a setup process, the Windows XP virtual machine runs in the 
background so users don't have to manage multiple desktops. [...] Woodgate 
noted that XP Mode isn't a security solution. Indeed, to protect their 
systems, users will need antivirus software running both on their Windows 7 
desktop as well as a copy running inside their Windows XP virtual machine."
(http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10229125-56.html)

Thomas




From kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Wed May 19 11:11:42 2010
From: kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Kengo Harimoto)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 13:11:42 +0200
Subject: wget (was: Re: Abhandlungen der              K=?iso-8859-15?Q?=F6nigliche?= n Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu              B erli)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTineXq36EeEhmoFDwKi-9AlyWAuHM9cSmzpQmFg3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089627.23782.10892649305048451303.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Why not C-like syntax:

for ((i = 1; i <= 397; i++)) do

? bash 3 (default on OS X) accepts this syntax. It works even when bash called as sh. The ksh, too, has that syntax; I wouldn't be surprised if the original bourne shell had it.

I personally use a perl script calling several instances of curl at the same time.

All the best,

-- 
kengo harimoto

On May 19, 2010, at 12:49 , Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> I was recently trying to help a colleague with the bash script below for
> fetching entire books from the Digital Library of India.  He had Windows, so
> we installed CygWin, in order to get bash and wget.  However, the script
> wouldn't work.
> 
> I finally discovered that the essential syntax I'm using below, "for i in
> {X..Y..Z}", works with bash version 4, but not earlier.  And CygWin's bash
> is still at version 3 (so in MinGW's).
> 
> When I type "bash --version", I get this:
> 
> $ bash --version
>> GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
>> Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
>> http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
>> 
> 
> Sorry, Windows users, it looks like you'll have to wait until bash 4 gets
> into CygWin or MinGW.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> 2010/1/14 Dominik Wujastyk <ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk>
> 
>> Birgit is quite right about the value of wget.  It's an amazing little
>> tool.  I use it routinely to get books from the Digital Library of India,
>> where texts are presented only as individual pages.
>> 
>> Until about a year ago, one could use the "-r" recursion setting of wget
>> to fetch a whole directory-full of files in one go.  Then the DLI disabled
>> that feature.  So now one has to issue a wget command for each page.
>> But it's easy to do with a small bash script like this:
>> 
>> ---------- cut here -----------
>> #!/bin/bash
>> 
>> # fetch Kapadia_Desc.Cat.Govt.Colls.MSS.BORI-Jaina
>> # Literature and Philosophy XIX.1 Svetambara Works_1957
>> 
>> for i in {00000001..397..1}
>>       do
>>               wget
>> http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/$i.tif
>>       done
>> ---------- cut here -----------
>> 
>> The magic number "371" is the number of pages in the book, which DLI tells
>> you.  In Firefox, you can find out the directory in which a book's TIFF
>> files live by loading a page of the book and then hitting Tools/Page Info
>> and selecting "media".
>> 
>> Bash is the default shell in Linux; it's also available to Windows users
>> by installing the excellent Cygwin.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>> 
>> 




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Wed May 19 11:48:48 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 13:48:48 +0200
Subject: wget (was: Re: Abhandlungen der K=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=B6ni?= gliche              n Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu Berli)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDQZuy2_NOLGyoaSiGjZp5V7jPZwxzbRhCJkk_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089634.23782.583087837213821176.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The whole difficulty is to get the right number of leading zeros in the tif
filenames (e.g., "00000001.tiff" .. "00009999.tiff").  Your solution doesn't
do this.

D

2010/5/19 amba kulkarni <ambapradeep at gmail.com>

> With bash version 3.1.17
>
> GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (i586-suse-linux-gnu)
> Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>
> for i in {X..Y} works incrementing i by 1 each time.
> So you may try it on CygWin's bash.
>
> -- amba kulkarni
>
> ? ?? ?????: ?????? ????? ??????: ll
> Let noble thoughts come to us from every side.
> - Rig Veda, I-89-i.
>
> Reader and Head
> Department of Sanskrit Studies
> University of Hyderabad
> 040 23133802(off)
>
> http://sanskrit.uohyd.ernet.in
>
>
> 2010/5/19 Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>
> I was recently trying to help a colleague with the bash script below for
>> fetching entire books from the Digital Library of India.  He had Windows,
>> so
>> we installed CygWin, in order to get bash and wget.  However, the script
>> wouldn't work.
>>
>> I finally discovered that the essential syntax I'm using below, "for i in
>> {X..Y..Z}", works with bash version 4, but not earlier.  And CygWin's bash
>> is still at version 3 (so in MinGW's).
>>
>> When I type "bash --version", I get this:
>>
>> $ bash --version
>> > GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
>> > Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>> > License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
>> > http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
>> >
>>
>> Sorry, Windows users, it looks like you'll have to wait until bash 4 gets
>> into CygWin or MinGW.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>> 2010/1/14 Dominik Wujastyk <ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk>
>>
>> > Birgit is quite right about the value of wget.  It's an amazing little
>> > tool.  I use it routinely to get books from the Digital Library of
>> India,
>> > where texts are presented only as individual pages.
>> >
>> > Until about a year ago, one could use the "-r" recursion setting of wget
>> > to fetch a whole directory-full of files in one go.  Then the DLI
>> disabled
>> > that feature.  So now one has to issue a wget command for each page.
>> > But it's easy to do with a small bash script like this:
>> >
>> > ---------- cut here -----------
>> > #!/bin/bash
>> >
>> > # fetch Kapadia_Desc.Cat.Govt.Colls.MSS.BORI-Jaina
>> > # Literature and Philosophy XIX.1 Svetambara Works_1957
>> >
>> > for i in {00000001..397..1}
>> >        do
>> >                wget
>> > http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/$i.tif
>> >        done
>> > ---------- cut here -----------
>> >
>> > The magic number "371" is the number of pages in the book, which DLI
>> tells
>> > you.  In Firefox, you can find out the directory in which a book's TIFF
>> > files live by loading a page of the book and then hitting Tools/Page
>> Info
>> > and selecting "media".
>> >
>> > Bash is the default shell in Linux; it's also available to Windows users
>> > by installing the excellent Cygwin.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Dominik
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>




From James_Fitzgerald at BROWN.EDU  Wed May 19 18:47:15 2010
From: James_Fitzgerald at BROWN.EDU (Fitzgerald, James)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 14:47:15 -0400
Subject: wget (was: Re: Ab handlungen der K=?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6ni?=              gliche n Ak  ademie der Wissensch aften zu B erli)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinpxPpr-kuclp41Y69uX65g8EBDglHIawuN-DnH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089653.23782.17758778877186909238.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Except for grep I don't use cygwin much at all these days and have never heard of "curl" before now. For what it may be worth (NOT a one-line solution, and evidently superceded), the last time I tried to download anything from the DLI I used the technique described below in a note I wrote for a student. The "575" in the third script was determined by manual inspection of the files on the DLI ahead of tiime. Later attempts to download other books from the DLI consistently failed to display even one page in the browser, so I gave up on it completely. I'm glad to hear it's up and "running" again.

Regards, Jim Fitzgerald

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Be in the directory where you want the files to end up.
Prepend c:\cygwin\wget  to the Dos PATH variable

These commands can only be run in sets in which the "width" [=number of decimal places] of the variable are the same [1,2, or 3, or more]
Consequently, must run the command once for the first 9, once for 10-99, then once for 100-999.
The "set" construct [following the "in"] must be altered for each decimal place in the page-number variable; remember to change the number of places in the filename-string for the size of the %P variable.

The URL in the examples below were for vol. 1 of the 1997 Pandurang edition of the Srimad Bhagavatam

for /L %P in (1,1,9) do wget http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0030/525/PTIFF/0000000%P.tif
for /L %P in (10,1,99) do wget http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0030/525/PTIFF/000000%P.tif
for /L %P in (100,1,575) do wget http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0030/525/PTIFF/00000%P.tif


This is the URL that shows up in the browser address bar:

http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/scripts/FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/data/upload/0030/526&first=1&last=526&barcode=1010010030521

Eliminate the "Fullindex..." string.  snip that to /data. . .  cut everything after 526 & append /PTIFF/[filenumber starting from 00000001].tif

But NB, above URL formula is NOT universal.

http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/0095/766/PTIFF/00000012.tif


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of 
> Dominik Wujastyk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:06 PM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] wget (was: Re: Abhandlungen der K?ni 
> gliche n Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu Berli)
> 
> Thank you Patrick!  That's the best yet, I think.  curl is 
> new to me.  I've just checked CygWin, though, and it is 
> indeed included there.  Could be the best answer for everyone.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> 2010/5/19 patrick mc allister <patrick.mcallister at univie.ac.at>
> 
> > * Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at GMAIL.COM> [2010-05-19 13:49]:
> > > The whole difficulty is to get the right number of 
> leading zeros in 
> > > the
> > tif
> > > filenames (e.g., "00000001.tiff" .. "00009999.tiff").  
> Your solution
> > doesn't
> > > do this.
> > >
> >
> > A one line solution is to use curl (using v. 7.20.1 in my case) 
> > itself, saving the files under "img-NUMBER.tif":
> >
> > curl
> > 
> http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/[00000001-397].
> > tif-o img-#1.tif
> >
> > or, to see that the padding of the leading zeros works:
> >
> > curl
> > 
> http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/[00000099-101].
> > tif-o img-#1.tif
> >
> > I'm not sure if curl is included in cygwin, though.
> >
> > --
> > patrick mc allister
> >
> > long term email: pma at rdorte.org
> > current office email: patrick.mcallister at univie.ac.at
> > homepage: http://homepage.univie.ac.at/patrick.mcallister/
> >
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
> >
> > iEYEARECAAYFAkvz9fAACgkQN5RlYmr8acRqvwCeLCYfJfDSDrV8bXZLHCj4tJYA
> > QcEAnRAs8TgKR4lg3E96Um5???
> > =jU9v
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >
> >
> 




From patrick.mcallister at UNIVIE.AC.AT  Wed May 19 14:31:57 2010
From: patrick.mcallister at UNIVIE.AC.AT (patrick mc allister)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 16:31:57 +0200
Subject: wget (was: Re: Ab handlungen der K=?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6n?= i              gliche n Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu Berli)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUwPTbin2wB_yGYQ49Sv59mgBhqzJ2Bih4wkUp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089644.23782.16517777837670381855.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

* Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at GMAIL.COM> [2010-05-19 13:49]:
> The whole difficulty is to get the right number of leading zeros in the tif
> filenames (e.g., "00000001.tiff" .. "00009999.tiff").  Your solution doesn't
> do this.
> 

A one line solution is to use curl (using v. 7.20.1 in my case)
itself, saving the files under "img-NUMBER.tif":

curl http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/[00000001-397].tif -o img-#1.tif

or, to see that the padding of the leading zeros works:

curl http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/[00000099-101].tif -o img-#1.tif

I'm not sure if curl is included in cygwin, though.

-- 
patrick mc allister

long term email: pma at rdorte.org
current office email: patrick.mcallister at univie.ac.at
homepage: http://homepage.univie.ac.at/patrick.mcallister/




From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Wed May 19 16:05:40 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 18:05:40 +0200
Subject: wget (was: Re: Abhandlungen der K=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=B6ni?=  gliche              n Ak ademie der Wissensch aften zu Berli)
In-Reply-To: <20100519143008.GB6807@pmatoe.oeaw.ads>
Message-ID: <161227089648.23782.2314674456153684398.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thank you Patrick!  That's the best yet, I think.  curl is new to me.  I've
just checked CygWin, though, and it is indeed included there.  Could be the
best answer for everyone.

Best,
Dominik

2010/5/19 patrick mc allister <patrick.mcallister at univie.ac.at>

> * Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at GMAIL.COM> [2010-05-19 13:49]:
> > The whole difficulty is to get the right number of leading zeros in the
> tif
> > filenames (e.g., "00000001.tiff" .. "00009999.tiff").  Your solution
> doesn't
> > do this.
> >
>
> A one line solution is to use curl (using v. 7.20.1 in my case)
> itself, saving the files under "img-NUMBER.tif":
>
> curl
> http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/[00000001-397].tif-o img-#1.tif
>
> or, to see that the padding of the leading zeros works:
>
> curl
> http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0048/903/PTIFF/[00000099-101].tif-o img-#1.tif
>
> I'm not sure if curl is included in cygwin, though.
>
> --
> patrick mc allister
>
> long term email: pma at rdorte.org
> current office email: patrick.mcallister at univie.ac.at
> homepage: http://homepage.univie.ac.at/patrick.mcallister/
>
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From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Wed May 19 22:45:40 2010
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav)
Date: Wed, 19 May 10 18:45:40 -0400
Subject: Accessing Journal Asiatique?
Message-ID: <161227089659.23782.17673070743758649396.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Does anyone know of a website that allows downloading individual articles from Journal Asiatique?  Any help will be appreciated.  Best,


Madhav M. Deshpande




From Gerard.Huet at INRIA.FR  Wed May 19 22:48:57 2010
From: Gerard.Huet at INRIA.FR (=?utf-8?Q?G=C3=A9rard_Huet?=)
Date: Thu, 20 May 10 00:48:57 +0200
Subject: order of letters
In-Reply-To: <COL103-DS11F823BE6AEBEFD59EC111DBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227089661.23782.10922411740676018753.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Pr Tull,
This matter is one of those small problems which create lots of  
headaches for the proper design of computer-processing tools
for Sanskrit. One wants to avoid encoding redundancies, in order to  
keep overgeneration low, while preserving completeness.
Also clear consistent rules must be applied concerning lexicographic  
ordering in computerized lexicons.

Here is what I do at present. I normalize non-genuine anusvAra to the  
nasal homophonic to the following nasal. Both in the parsed
input and in the inflected forms databanks. Remark that the inverse  
normalization would be incorrect, since we want to keep
forms of root sa~nj and not turn them to *sa.mj.

Until recently I applied a similar normalization to visarga. When it  
is followed by a sibilant, I would replace it by the same sibilant.  
Thus e.g. a.hsu would normalize to assu. Similarly to the anusvaara  
treatment, such visarga would appear in the alphabetical order
of the corresponding sibilant, and only visarga preceding "k" and "p"  
would be preserved, and be listed just before the consonants.
But recently I noticed an improper side-effect of this normalization,  
in an example such as:
     api tvam adya prAtaH svasuH g.rham agacchaH
since normalizing input prAtaHsvasuH to prAtassvasuH would prevent its  
parsing. Here prAtaH must be preserved, in order for
sandhiviccheda to find the proper solution with prAtar. Because of  
this, I now treat all visargas in the same way, and I do not
replace them before sibilants.

Another place where a similar problem occurs is that words ending in  
"r" such as prAtar, antar, punar, catur but also all the
verbal forms in -ur must be stored intact in the forms databanks, and  
terminal sandhi should not be used.
This is needed to parse chunks such as punarapi, since puna.h+api  
would yield *puno'pi.
This difficulty is discussed nowhere I know of, and pandits protest at  
my listing punar rather than puna.h in tables.

Many other mundane problems arise with avagraha, with marking hiatus  
in words such as pra-ucya or pra-uga, etc.
Another problem which seems to be below the threshold of interest for  
most linguists is the optional gemination/degemination: forms
such as karmma, kiirttyate, vAggmI which are indeed Paninian (the last  
one using the very ad-hoc 5.2.124 sUtra), but also forms such as
chatra, chAtra, patrikA, vArtA, satra, satva, which may not be  
Paninian, but which occur in corpus nonetheless.

Regards
G. Huet

Le 19 mai 10 ? 15:38, Herman Tull a ?crit :

> I am putting together some simple rules for first year students.  In  
> dealing with the order of the letters, there is the ever present  
> confusion over the placement of anusvAra and visarga.  I notice that  
> Monier Williams and Macdonell are consistent in their placement of  
> the anusvara (placing it after the vowels when it precedes the semi- 
> vowels or the sibilants).  But, they seem not to agree on the  
> placement of the visarga.  Macdonell follows the rule that he states  
> in his student grammar (p. 3), that the visarga follows the vowels  
> when it precedes "k" and "p" and that it when it precedes a sibilant  
> it is placed in the consonantal order of the sibilants.  E.g., on p.  
> 17 of his dictionary he has an article for antaH-ka... and then on  
> p. 18 he has the article for antaH-sa...
>
> Monier-Williams, on the other hand, combines this all into one  
> article (p. 43, "antaH"), and so does not distinguish between  
> visarga before "k" and "p" on the one hand, and before the sibilants  
> on the other, treating all of it as if it precedes "antar" (which  
> seems incorrect, since antaH-sa would not precede antar according to  
> the rule).
>
> A small matter (especially with the advent of the electronic  
> dictionary), perhaps, but can anyone shed light on this?
>
> Herman Tull




From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Wed May 19 23:12:15 2010
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Thu, 20 May 10 01:12:15 +0200
Subject: Accessing Journal Asiatique?
In-Reply-To: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D713E319AE69@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089664.23782.12059125180457187372.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Am 20.05.2010 um 00:45 schrieb Deshpande, Madhav:

> Does anyone know of a website that allows downloading individual articles from Journal Asiatique?  Any help will be appreciated.  Best,


Concerning current volumes: the online edition is distributed by the Belgian publisher Peeters
URL: <Indology <http://poj.peeters-leuven.be/content.php?url=journal.php&code=JA>
One needs a subscription, of course, to get the articles.

Older volumes can be fetched completely from the Biblioth?que Nationale (covering 1822 to 1938)
URL: <http://gallica.bnf.fr/> or, more specific, 
URL: <http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34348774p/date.r=journal+asiatique.langFR>

Some volumes, maybe not all from those in the public domain, are also available from Google Books, try
URL: <http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:BSBBSB10248871>

Hope it helps
Peter Wyzlic
--
Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften
Bibliothek
Universit?t Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
53113 Bonn




From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE  Thu May 20 07:04:41 2010
From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje)
Date: Thu, 20 May 10 09:04:41 +0200
Subject: Publication Announcement
Message-ID: <161227089669.23782.5402847899001503965.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hermann Jacobi, Die Entwicklung der Gottesidee bei den Indern und deren Beweise f?r das Dasein Gottes. Hrsg. v. Andreas Pohlus. (Geisteskultur Indiens. 14. Klassiker der Indologie.) Aachen: Shaker 2010. pp. 234. ISBN 978-3-8322-9074-0 EUR 24,80
http://www.shaker-online.com/Online-Gesamtkatalog/Booklist.idc?ID=10314470&CC=42773&Reihe=275.0&ReiheUR=1.0


This re-edition of Jacobi's famous study presents the Sanskrit texts and their German translation on facing pages. A newly prepared index covers the names, subjects, technical terms and text-places referred to by Jacobi. It contains also an updated bibliography (50 pages) of selected works on the various "proofs of the existence of god" as furnished in India and the West.


Kindly,
WS

------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
(Germany)
www.indologie.uni-halle.de

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.




From r.mahoney at INDICA-ET-BUDDHICA.ORG  Thu May 20 01:08:01 2010
From: r.mahoney at INDICA-ET-BUDDHICA.ORG (Richard MAHONEY)
Date: Thu, 20 May 10 13:08:01 +1200
Subject: Accessing Journal Asiatique? (Indica et Buddica - Tabulae)
In-Reply-To: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D713E319AE69@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089666.23782.10540874741741665138.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Mahdav,

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 06:45:40PM -0400, Deshpande, Madhav wrote:

> Does anyone know of a website that allows downloading individual
> articles from Journal Asiatique?  Any help will be appreciated.

For a while now I've been keeping a list of about 180 periodicals with
material on Classical Indian and Buddhist Studies:

 Indica et Buddhica - Tabulae
 Tabulae: Tables of Contents for Indology and Buddhology
 http://tabulae.indica-et-buddhica.org/

Here is the site map:

 Tabulae - Site Map
 http://tabulae.indica-et-buddhica.org/site-map

A few links to material on the Journal Asiatique can be found here:

 Tabulae - Journal Asiatique
 http://tabulae.indica-et-buddhica.org/periodica/j/journal-asiatique



Kind regards,

 Richard


P.S. This listing is incomplete so if anyone knows of material that
isn't included please feel free to suggest it and I put up additonal
pages. This form may be helpful:

 Tabulae - Suggest a New Periodical
 http://indica-et-buddhica.org/sections/tabulae/newjournal-form



-- 
Richard MAHONEY

Littledene, Bay Road, OXFORD 7430, NZ
PO Box 25, OXFORD 7443
+64 3 312 1699 / +64 275 829 986
r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
http://indica-et-buddhica.org




From h.t.bakker at RUG.NL  Thu May 20 14:19:01 2010
From: h.t.bakker at RUG.NL (hans bakker)
Date: Thu, 20 May 10 16:19:01 +0200
Subject: ku=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=ADik=C4=81?=
Message-ID: <161227089671.23782.2159904201004067759.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Dear All,
>
> in an old commentary (from a Buddhist context) of about the first 
> century AD, and probably of South Indian origin, i.e. in the 
> Andhaka??????hakath??, I have the statement that after burning a 
> corpse a hut (ku???ik??) is erected (kar??yati) for the ashes and the 
> bones.
>
> Does anybody know whether this is some general habit or perhaps a 
> local custom or perhaps restricted to a specific time.
>
> Any suggestions are welcome,
> Petra
>
> ***************************
> Dr. Petra Kieffer-P??lz
> Wilhelm-K??lz-Str. 2
> 99423 Weimar
> Germany
> Tel. 03643/770447
>
> email:
> kiepue at t-online.de
> petra.kieffer-puelz at adwmainz.de


In some Gandharan reliefs discussed in:  de Marco, G. (1987). T/he Stupa 
as a funerary monument. New iconographical evidence./ East and West,
37, 191?246,  funerary monuments are depicted that are described as  ` 
hut.'  (p. 232).  The matter is discussed again in my
/Monuments to the Dead in Ancient North India  /in Indo-Iranian Journal  
(2007) 50: 11?47, especially pp. 29f.

-- 

Prof Dr Hans T. Bakker
Institute of Indian Studies
University of Groningen
Oude Boteringestraat 23
9712 GC Groningen
the Netherlands
tel: +31.(0)50.363.5819
fax: +31.(0)50.363.7263
www.rug.nl/india




From alangenberg at MSN.COM  Fri May 21 17:24:09 2010
From: alangenberg at MSN.COM (Amy Langenberg)
Date: Fri, 21 May 10 13:24:09 -0400
Subject: mejor article
Message-ID: <161227089673.23782.11838629665278836696.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


Dear Indologists,
Would anyone be able to send me a pdf of the following article? I have not been able to locate a copy of it.
Mejor, Marek. ?On
K?emendra's Bodhisattv?vad?nakalpalat?.? Cracow Indological Studies. 1 (1995): 199-213.





Thank you in advance!
Amy Paris LangenbergVisiting Assistant ProfessorDepartment of ClassicsBrown University

 		 	   		  




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Sun May 23 13:44:17 2010
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sun, 23 May 10 08:44:17 -0500
Subject: aratni
Message-ID: <161227089677.23782.16699966672647125568.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends: here is a question. I am trying to get the measurement of the Sanskrit aratni. Both M-W and Bohtlingk gives the old measurement "ell" -- which is said to be 45 inches (1.14 meters). This surely cannot be if the measurement is from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Apte gives the measurement as 24 angulas (i.e., about 47 cms.). The latter is also the measurement given by Basham in his Wonder.

Thanks for any comments.

Patrick 




From emstern at VERIZON.NET  Sun May 23 17:28:20 2010
From: emstern at VERIZON.NET (Elliot M. Stern)
Date: Sun, 23 May 10 13:28:20 -0400
Subject: aratni
In-Reply-To: <7110C220-F028-40A8-B70D-4AE58B1CADF5@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089679.23782.11852304225628682816.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick,

Actually, Boehtlingk and Roth says "2) Elle, das Maass vom Ellbogen bis zur Spitze des kleinen Fingers", the shorter Boehtlingk says "2) Elle, die Entfernung vom Ellbogen bis zur Spitze des kleinen Fingers, = 2 Pr?de?a oder 24 A?gula", and Monier-Williams follows this in his definition "a cubit of the middle length, from the elbow to the tip of the little finger". These agree with Apte and Basham. The problem is that the usual term for this measure in English is cubit, while in English the 45 inch measure is an ell. In German , Elle may mean cubit, or ell (if the dictionary I consulted may be trusted).

Elliot


Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
emstern at verizon.net



On 23 May  2010, at 9:44 AM, Patrick Olivelle wrote:

> Friends: here is a question. I am trying to get the measurement of the Sanskrit aratni. Both M-W and Bohtlingk gives the old measurement "ell" -- which is said to be 45 inches (1.14 meters). This surely cannot be if the measurement is from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Apte gives the measurement as 24 angulas (i.e., about 47 cms.). The latter is also the measurement given by Basham in his Wonder.
> 
> Thanks for any comments.
> 
> Patrick 




From mnstorm at MAC.COM  Sun May 23 09:05:18 2010
From: mnstorm at MAC.COM (Mary Storm)
Date: Sun, 23 May 10 14:35:18 +0530
Subject: Illustrated Manuscript of the              Bodhicary=?utf-8?Q?=C4=81vat=C4=81?= ra
Message-ID: <161227089675.23782.14223197632472887524.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

Greetings from Delhi, where it is hot enough to melt a brass door knob.

Benoytosh Bhattacharyya in The Indian Buddhist Iconography, second ed. 1958, refers to the existence of illustrated manuscripts of the Bodhicary?vat?ra (p. 5). Has anyone on this list seen such a text, and if so, do you know where it might be or where a copy might exist?

Thanks so much!
Mary

 
Mary Storm, Ph.D.
Academic Director and Lecturer
India: National Identity and the Arts
and
Himalayan Buddhist Art and Architecture
SIT Study Abroad
http://www.sit.edu/studyabroad
F 301 Lado Sarai
New Delhi 110030 India
Mobile: +91 98106 98003




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Mon May 24 16:21:42 2010
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 24 May 10 11:21:42 -0500
Subject: Fwd: verse
Message-ID: <161227089682.23782.4617412588978251450.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

A friend is trying to trace this verse. Any ideas?

Patrick


>  
> ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? ?
> ?????? ???????, ???????????? ?? ??? ??





From athr at LOC.GOV  Mon May 24 18:22:29 2010
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Thrasher, Allen)
Date: Mon, 24 May 10 14:22:29 -0400
Subject: mejor article
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w22359A129BA73D025E64FAB9E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227089686.23782.11481413029881353748.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I believe this volume is identical with "International Conference on Sanskrit and Related Studies : September 23-26, 1993."  I have paged it from the stacks and if the article is there will send it to you.

Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Amy Langenberg
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:24 PM
To: Thrasher, Allen; INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: [INDOLOGY] mejor article


Dear Indologists,
Would anyone be able to send me a pdf of the following article? I have not been able to locate a copy of it.
Mejor, Marek. ?On
K?emendra's Bodhisattv?vad?nakalpalat?.? Cracow Indological Studies. 1 (1995): 199-213.





Thank you in advance!
Amy Paris LangenbergVisiting Assistant ProfessorDepartment of ClassicsBrown University

 		 	   		  




From kiepue at T-ONLINE.DE  Mon May 24 17:47:37 2010
From: kiepue at T-ONLINE.DE (=?utf-8?Q?petra_kieffer-P=C3=BClz?=)
Date: Mon, 24 May 10 19:47:37 +0200
Subject: paraca.nka-maccha
Message-ID: <161227089684.23782.14055077906564553676.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear All,

Does anybody know what paraca.nka-fishes might be? They seem to be  
put into yaagu, but seem not to be counted as fish or meat in the  
strict sense.

Best,
Petra

***************************
Dr. Petra Kieffer-P?lz
Wilhelm-K?lz-Str. 2
99423 Weimar
Germany
Tel. 03643/770447

email:
kiepue at t-online.de
petra.kieffer-puelz at adwmainz.de




From axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE  Tue May 25 06:47:50 2010
From: axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE (Axel Michaels)
Date: Tue, 25 May 10 06:47:50 +0000
Subject: AW: [INDOLOGY] aratni
In-Reply-To: <7110C220-F028-40A8-B70D-4AE58B1CADF5@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <161227089689.23782.18385869577179103165.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick,
according to Baudh SulvS I.16 together with I.7 and I.3 one aratni would come to 45.7 cm given that the measurement for one angula is 3/4 inch. (c. 1.905 cm). This calculation is based on botanical consideration, i.e. 1 angula = 34 tila (sesam indicum) or 14 aNu (panicum miliaceum). According to my perhaps outdated view (see my Beweisverfahren in der vedischen Sakralgeometrie, 1978, pp. 156-7) the differences depend on whether the seeds are taken with or without husk and measured by breadth or length.
Best wishes, Axel
 ------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context", Sprecher des SFB 619 ("Ritualdynamik")

Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut, Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg
Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 
http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/ -- www.ritualdynamik.uni-hd.de -- http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.html
Emails: sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) -- Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) -- michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail)




________________________________
Von: Patrick Olivelle <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 23. Mai 2010, 15:44:17 Uhr
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] aratni

Friends: here is a question. I am trying to get the measurement of the Sanskrit aratni. Both M-W and Bohtlingk gives the old measurement "ell" -- which is said to be 45 inches (1.14 meters). This surely cannot be if the measurement is from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Apte gives the measurement as 24 angulas (i.e., about 47 cms.). The latter is also the measurement given by Basham in his Wonder.

Thanks for any comments.

Patrick 




From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Tue May 25 14:26:51 2010
From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Tue, 25 May 10 16:26:51 +0200
Subject: GRETIL update #372
Message-ID: <161227089691.23782.7322068815244376077.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its
collection:

 

Pancavimsatisahasrika Prajnaparamita
<http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm#PvsPrp> , Part
1

 

__________________________________________________________________________ 

"GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites
for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission
statement") 

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: 

http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed May 26 09:33:35 2010
From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU)
Date: Wed, 26 May 10 04:33:35 -0500
Subject: chinese epigraphs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilTo3PS-39jC7KDof4l950YzqVnh3yarhuOk-kq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227089695.23782.17822939890504582230.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I believe that you will find a recent article by
Francoise Wang-Toutain in the journal
Arts Asiatiques
concerning in large art the dharanis in Sanskrit
in the tomb of the emperor Qianlong.
Sooner or later I imagine that she will
be publishing a full study of this.


Matthew T. Kapstein
Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies
The University of Chicago Divinity School

Directeur d'?tudes
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris




From jmdelire at ULB.AC.BE  Wed May 26 14:17:46 2010
From: jmdelire at ULB.AC.BE (Jean-Michel Delire)
Date: Wed, 26 May 10 16:17:46 +0200
Subject: AW: [INDOLOGY] aratni
Message-ID: <161227089697.23782.10100010695021149895.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Patrick,

I don't think this botanical explanation by Pr. Michaels is appropriate. Georg Thibaut, who was the first to edit the Baudh.'Sulb., expressed the view that the very peculiar value of 34 tila for an a'ngula is related to the existence of an approximate value to the square root of 2 (Baudh 'Sulb. I.61) which uses the 34th part of an a'ngula (JASB, vol.44, 1875, p.227). In a recent article (Centaurus, vol.47, 2005, p.60), I also showed that the value of 14 a.nu for an a'ngula is related to the unattested approximate value of 7 + 1/14 to the diagonal of a square of side 5 and to the attested common and gross procedure for transforming a circle into a square (Baudh.'Sulb.I.60 for instance).

Best regards,

Jean Michel Delire


>Patrick,
>according to Baudh SulvS I.16 together with I.7 and I.3 one aratni would come to 45.7 cm given that the measurement for one angula is 3/4 inch. (c. 1905 cm). This calculation is based on botanical consideration, i.e. 1 angula = 34 tila (sesam indicum) or 14 aNu (panicum miliaceum). According to my perhaps outdated view (see my Beweisverfahren in der vedischen Sakralgeometrie, 1978, pp. 156-7) the differences depend on whether the seeds are taken with or without husk and measured by breadth or length.
>Best wishes, Axel
> ------------------------------
>Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
>Acting Director Excellence Cluster "Asia and Europe in a Global Context", Sprecher des SFB 619 ("Ritualdynamik")
>
>Universit?t Heidelberg, S?dasien-Institut, Im Neuenheimer Feld 330, D-69120 Heidelberg
>Tel. +49-6221-548917 / Fax +49-6221-546338 
>http://www.asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de/ -- www.ritualdynamik.uni-hd.de -- http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/index.html
>Emails: sek-michaels at uni-heidelberg.de (SAI office) -- Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de (official and personal) -- michaels at asia-europe.uni-heidelberg.de (Cluster mail)
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Von: Patrick Olivelle <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
>An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Gesendet: Sonntag, den 23. Mai 2010, 15:44:17 Uhr
>Betreff: [INDOLOGY] aratni
>
>Friends: here is a question. I am trying to get the measurement of the Sanskrit aratni. Both M-W and Bohtlingk gives the old measurement "ell" -- which is said to be 45 inches (1.14 meters). This surely cannot be if the measurement is from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Apte gives the measurement as 24 angulas (i.e., about 47 cms.). The latter is also the measurement given by Basham in his Wonder.
>
>Thanks for any comments.
>
>Patrick
>
>




From hopeforageneration at GMAIL.COM  Wed May 26 09:13:23 2010
From: hopeforageneration at GMAIL.COM (patrick mccartney)
Date: Wed, 26 May 10 18:43:23 +0930
Subject: chinese epigraphs
Message-ID: <161227089693.23782.9816993970976331640.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List,

I would appreciate any references regarding Sanskrit epigraphs in the
ranjana script with particular reference to China.

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From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Thu May 27 00:09:12 2010
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav)
Date: Wed, 26 May 10 20:09:12 -0400
Subject: Question on behalf of Harry Spier
Message-ID: <161227089699.23782.2152699046452997615.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am forwarding a question on behalf of Harry Spier.  Please respond to him directly.  Best,

Madhav Deshpande

Dear list members,

Would it be possible for a list member to scan the New Catalogus
Catalogorum entry for "gurugItA" and send it to me at
hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com

Many thanks in advance,
Harry Spier




From axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE  Thu May 27 12:39:11 2010
From: axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE (Axel Michaels)
Date: Thu, 27 May 10 12:39:11 +0000
Subject: aratni
Message-ID: <161227089701.23782.15119756742224662227.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My calculation for aratni tries to objectify what is given as a relational measurement in the Sulvasutras. The problem is the one Patrick had: If, for example, we take a'ngula/i as "the thumb's breadth" or "Daumenbreite" and mearure it with approx. 1.905 cm (thus A.K. Bag, The Knowledge of geometrical figures; G. Pillai, The Way of the Silpis, J. Eggeling, SB III, S. 309, et al.), and if we then apply the relational measurements of the Sulvasutras, we get too large measurements: a purusa would be 228 cm; which would be too much even if we consider that this means a man with streched arms. Given the fact that the average male body height in India is c. 167 cm (see Karve Anthropometric Measurements of the Marathas, p. 17), this measurement cannot be realistic. 

The other problem is that in the sacrificial context the measurements are related to the yajamAna, i.e. not standardised. In MAnSulvS 1.4.1, however, it is asked what one should do if the yajamAna is crippled. Then follow standardisations according to botanical criteria, i.e. a.nu, tila, yava etc. If we take these as the standard, we approx. get the measurement I had calculated for aratni.

All this is based on research that I made 30 years ago; perhaps there are better solutions to this problem.

Best,
Axel Michaels

P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.




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Von: Jean-Michel Delire <jmdelire at ULB.AC.BE>
An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 26. Mai 2010, 16:17:46 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] AW: [INDOLOGY] aratni

Dear Patrick,

I don't think this botanical explanation by Pr. Michaels is appropriate. Georg Thibaut, who was the first to edit the Baudh.'Sulb., expressed the view that the very peculiar value of 34 tila for an a'ngula is related to the existence of an approximate value to the square root of 2 (Baudh 'Sulb. I.61) which uses the 34th part of an a'ngula (JASB, vol.44, 1875, p.227). In a recent article (Centaurus, vol.47, 2005, p.60), I also showed that the value of 14 a.nu for an a'ngula is related to the unattested approximate value of 7 + 1/14 to the diagonal of a square of side 5 and to the attested common and gross procedure for transforming a circle into a square (Baudh.'Sulb.I.60 for instance).

Best regards,

Jean Michel Delire


>Patrick,
>according to Baudh SulvS I.16 together with I.7 and I.3 one aratni would come to 45.7 cm given that the measurement for one angula is 3/4 inch. (c. 1905 cm). This calculation is based on botanical consideration, i.e. 1 angula = 34 tila (sesam indicum) or 14 aNu (panicum miliaceum). According to my perhaps outdated view (see my Beweisverfahren in der vedischen Sakralgeometrie, 1978, pp. 156-7) the differences depend on whether the seeds are taken with or without husk and measured by breadth or length.
>Best wishes, Axel
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>________________________________
>Von: Patrick Olivelle <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
>An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Gesendet: Sonntag, den 23. Mai 2010, 15:44:17 Uhr
>Betreff: [INDOLOGY] aratni
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>Friends: here is a question. I am trying to get the measurement of the Sanskrit aratni. Both M-W and Bohtlingk gives the old measurement "ell" -- which is said to be 45 inches (1.14 meters). This surely cannot be if the measurement is from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Apte gives the measurement as 24 angulas (i.e., about 47 cms.). The latter is also the measurement given by Basham in his Wonder.
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>Thanks for any comments.
>
>Patrick
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From wujastyk at GMAIL.COM  Thu May 27 13:51:07 2010
From: wujastyk at GMAIL.COM (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 10 15:51:07 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Correction Re: gurugita
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
Date: 27 May 2010 14:13
Subject: Correction Re: gurugita

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>wrote:

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> Many thanks to:
> Harunaga Isaacson, Dominik Wujastyk, Daniel  Stender for forwarding the NCC
> pages.
>
> Best wishes,
> Harry Spier
>