From tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Sep 2 11:01:42 2009 From: tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU (tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 09 06:01:42 -0500 Subject: ayurveda etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087524.23782.15575754547443633282.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dom, 1. Thanks for the epilepsy info, you rascal. An Ayurvedic remedy for jet lag would really have been helpful. 2. Today I got an email from Cordelia saying she has become a bass player, with a photo of her and her electric bass. 3. Am I on IndComm duty this week? I thought it was last week. See you around, Gary. From tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Sep 2 11:08:57 2009 From: tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU (tubb at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 09 06:08:57 -0500 Subject: pardon me Message-ID: <161227087527.23782.6569399931752814384.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology List, I apologize for inadvertently sending a personal message to the list. Jet lag and unfamiliar software at the World Sanskrit Conference ganged up on me. --Gary Tubb. From athr at LOC.GOV Wed Sep 2 22:16:31 2009 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 09 18:16:31 -0400 Subject: Journals Message-ID: <161227087533.23782.3621178001559629569.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Mark, Are there any of these you have been unable to examine recent paper volumes of? If so, send me a list and I will see if any information is given in the journals themselves. Allen >>> Mark Allon 9/2/2009 5:35:28 PM >>> Dear List members, Further to a discussion I posted on the list way back in 2007, the Australian Research Council (ARC, our main funding body parallel to American NEH) is instigating a system of rankings for peer-reviewed journals. Leaving aside the problems associated with such a system, could someone please tell me whether the following journals (if still in print) are peer-reviewed and provide a link (if possible) to their editorial standards. The ARC is having difficulty obtaining this info via a web search: Buddhist Studies (Bukkyo Kenkyu) Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute Contributions to Asian Studies (Leiden) Harvard South Asia Journal (Harvard) The Indian Historical Review Journal of Indian History Journal of Sino-Indian Buddhist Studies Journal of the International College for Advanced Buddhist Studies (Tokyo) Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) Nachrichten der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gottingen, I. Philologisch-Historische Klasse Nagoya Studies in Indian Culture and Buddhism South Asia South Asian Studies Sri Lanka Journal of Buddhist Studies Regards Mark Dr Mark Allon Chair, Department of Indian Subcontinental Studies University of Sydney From mark.allon at USYD.EDU.AU Wed Sep 2 21:35:28 2009 From: mark.allon at USYD.EDU.AU (Mark Allon) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 09 07:35:28 +1000 Subject: Journals In-Reply-To: <20090826214104.GG4678@ubuntu> Message-ID: <161227087530.23782.4870218834974329152.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear List members, Further to a discussion I posted on the list way back in 2007, the Australian Research Council (ARC, our main funding body parallel to American NEH) is instigating a system of rankings for peer-reviewed journals. Leaving aside the problems associated with such a system, could someone please tell me whether the following journals (if still in print) are peer-reviewed and provide a link (if possible) to their editorial standards. The ARC is having difficulty obtaining this info via a web search: Buddhist Studies (Bukkyo Kenkyu) Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute Contributions to Asian Studies (Leiden) Harvard South Asia Journal (Harvard) The Indian Historical Review Journal of Indian History Journal of Sino-Indian Buddhist Studies Journal of the International College for Advanced Buddhist Studies (Tokyo) Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) Nachrichten der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gottingen, I. Philologisch-Historische Klasse Nagoya Studies in Indian Culture and Buddhism South Asia South Asian Studies Sri Lanka Journal of Buddhist Studies Regards Mark Dr Mark Allon Chair, Department of Indian Subcontinental Studies University of Sydney From mark.allon at USYD.EDU.AU Wed Sep 2 22:58:49 2009 From: mark.allon at USYD.EDU.AU (Mark Allon) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 09 08:58:49 +1000 Subject: Journals In-Reply-To: <20090902T181631Z_AE4F00170000@loc.gov> Message-ID: <161227087536.23782.2655066437954695366.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Allen, Thanks for your kind offer. The journals that our library does not have and which I don't have paper copies of are the following: Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute Contributions to Asian Studies (Leiden) Harvard South Asia Journal (Harvard) Journal of Sino-Indian Buddhist Studies Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) South Asian Studies Sri Lanka Journal of Buddhist Studies Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Allen W Thrasher Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:17 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Journals Mark, Are there any of these you have been unable to examine recent paper volumes of? If so, send me a list and I will see if any information is given in the journals themselves. Allen >>> Mark Allon 9/2/2009 5:35:28 PM >>> Dear List members, Further to a discussion I posted on the list way back in 2007, the Australian Research Council (ARC, our main funding body parallel to American NEH) is instigating a system of rankings for peer-reviewed journals. Leaving aside the problems associated with such a system, could someone please tell me whether the following journals (if still in print) are peer-reviewed and provide a link (if possible) to their editorial standards. The ARC is having difficulty obtaining this info via a web search: Buddhist Studies (Bukkyo Kenkyu) Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute Contributions to Asian Studies (Leiden) Harvard South Asia Journal (Harvard) The Indian Historical Review Journal of Indian History Journal of Sino-Indian Buddhist Studies Journal of the International College for Advanced Buddhist Studies (Tokyo) Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) Nachrichten der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gottingen, I. Philologisch-Historische Klasse Nagoya Studies in Indian Culture and Buddhism South Asia South Asian Studies Sri Lanka Journal of Buddhist Studies Regards Mark Dr Mark Allon Chair, Department of Indian Subcontinental Studies University of Sydney From athr at LOC.GOV Thu Sep 3 16:24:17 2009 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 09 12:24:17 -0400 Subject: Journals Message-ID: <161227087539.23782.7842892748294600869.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Mark, I will page the latest vol. of each of these after lunch. Allen >>> Mark Allon 9/2/2009 6:58:49 PM >>> Allen, Thanks for your kind offer. The journals that our library does not have and which I don't have paper copies of are the following: Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute Contributions to Asian Studies (Leiden) Harvard South Asia Journal (Harvard) Journal of Sino-Indian Buddhist Studies Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) South Asian Studies Sri Lanka Journal of Buddhist Studies Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Allen W Thrasher Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:17 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Journals Mark, Are there any of these you have been unable to examine recent paper volumes of? If so, send me a list and I will see if any information is given in the journals themselves. Allen >>> Mark Allon 9/2/2009 5:35:28 PM >>> Dear List members, Further to a discussion I posted on the list way back in 2007, the Australian Research Council (ARC, our main funding body parallel to American NEH) is instigating a system of rankings for peer-reviewed journals. Leaving aside the problems associated with such a system, could someone please tell me whether the following journals (if still in print) are peer-reviewed and provide a link (if possible) to their editorial standards. The ARC is having difficulty obtaining this info via a web search: Buddhist Studies (Bukkyo Kenkyu) Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute Contributions to Asian Studies (Leiden) Harvard South Asia Journal (Harvard) The Indian Historical Review Journal of Indian History Journal of Sino-Indian Buddhist Studies Journal of the International College for Advanced Buddhist Studies (Tokyo) Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) Nachrichten der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gottingen, I. Philologisch-Historische Klasse Nagoya Studies in Indian Culture and Buddhism South Asia South Asian Studies Sri Lanka Journal of Buddhist Studies Regards Mark Dr Mark Allon Chair, Department of Indian Subcontinental Studies University of Sydney From james.hartzell at GMAIL.COM Fri Sep 4 01:35:10 2009 From: james.hartzell at GMAIL.COM (James Hartzell) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 09 03:35:10 +0200 Subject: Online Sanskrit, first-year Message-ID: <161227087542.23782.17081049559668944139.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Colleagues During work at the University of Manitoba (Winnipeg, Canada) this past year, I began developing material for an online first year Sanskrit course with the Distance and Online Education Division. We plan to run the course beginning in May 2010. It will be a full six credit (two semester) course, covering the material needed for 1st year Sanskrit credit. Arrangements may be made with the University of Manitoba and the student's home institution for credit transfer (usually by a simple letter of permission from the home institution). Links to the course flyers and further information may be found at http://umanitoba.ca/extended/distance/media/pdfs/09/sanskrit_apr09.pdf http://umanitoba.ca/extended/distance/media/pdfs/09/sanskrit_2_apr09.pdf Please distribute to all interested parties. The likelihood of the course running will be increased with increased enrollment. My best regards to colleagues at Kyoto. We've been busy with a move to Italy, so unable to attend. Cheers James Hartzell Rovereto, Italy From at8u at VIRGINIA.EDU Fri Sep 4 12:58:17 2009 From: at8u at VIRGINIA.EDU (Alberto Todeschini) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 09 08:58:17 -0400 Subject: Online Sanskrit, first-year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087548.23782.16066403924949213910.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear James, I've just seen your post to the Indology list and I wonder if I may be so bold as to inquire about Rovereto. I imagine that you meant the Rovereto that is about 20Km from Trento. My name is Alberto Todeschini and I'm finishing a PhD in Indian Buddhism at the University of Virginia. I'll spend the next few months in Lausanne and Vienna. I'm actually from Trento and I'll be there to see my parents during the second half of this month. Anyway, I was just curious to know about the connection between Rovereto and Sanskrit. I know that occasionally Sanskrit introductions have been taught at the university of Trento, but I don't know by whom. Best, Alberto Todeschini Hartzell wrote: > Colleagues > > During work at the University of Manitoba (Winnipeg, Canada) this past year, > I began developing material for an online first year Sanskrit course with > the Distance and Online Education Division. > > We plan to run the course beginning in May 2010. It will be a full six > credit (two semester) course, covering the material needed for 1st year > Sanskrit credit. Arrangements may be made with the University of Manitoba > and the student's home institution for credit transfer (usually by a simple > letter of permission from the home institution). Links to the course flyers > and further information may be found at > > http://umanitoba.ca/extended/distance/media/pdfs/09/sanskrit_apr09.pdf > http://umanitoba.ca/extended/distance/media/pdfs/09/sanskrit_2_apr09.pdf > > Please distribute to all interested parties. The likelihood of the course > running will be increased with increased enrollment. > > My best regards to colleagues at Kyoto. We've been busy with a move to > Italy, so unable to attend. > > Cheers > James Hartzell > Rovereto, Italy > From at8u at VIRGINIA.EDU Fri Sep 4 12:59:06 2009 From: at8u at VIRGINIA.EDU (Alberto Todeschini) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 09 08:59:06 -0400 Subject: Online Sanskrit, first-year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087552.23782.3839743645219135761.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Apologies for the private message sent to the list. I guess we never learn. Alberto Todeschini From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Fri Sep 4 12:05:02 2009 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 09 14:05:02 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #355 Message-ID: <161227087545.23782.3409461895581394484.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Amrtakara: Catuhstavasamasartha Jayatirtha: Nyayasudha, 1,1 (revised) Jayatirtha: Nyayasudha, 1,2 Jayatirtha: Nyayasudha, 1,3 Vasubandhu: Madhyantavibhagakarikabhasya __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm From karin.preisendanz at UNIVIE.AC.AT Fri Sep 4 14:10:46 2009 From: karin.preisendanz at UNIVIE.AC.AT (Karin.Preisendanz) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 09 16:10:46 +0200 Subject: post doc position Tibetan and Buddhist Studies, Vienna University In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087554.23782.13019219497017871885.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, Please see the advertisement attached below. I would be grateful if you would post it in your Department and bring it to the attention of suitable candidates. With best regards, Karin Preisendanz ----------- An der Universitat Wien ist ab 01.10.2009 die Position einer/eines Wissenschaftlichen Mitarbeiters/in ("post doc") am Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde bis 28.02.2010 zu besetzen. Kennzahl der Ausschreibung: 621 Am Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde der Philologisch-Kulturwissenschaftl. Fakultat der Universitat Wien kann eine Ersatzkraftstelle mit einer Assistentin/einem Assistenten f?r die Zeit vom 1.10.2009 bis 28.2.2010 besetzt werden. Dauer der Befristung: 5 Monat/e Besch?ftigungsausma?: 40 Stunden/Woche. Ihre Aufgaben: Der Aufgabenbereich umfasst neben der Unterst?tzung der Professur im Bereich Tibetologie und Buddhismuskunde in Lehre und Forschung die Beteiligung an der Lehr-, Forschungs-und Institutsverwaltung sowie selbst?ndige Lehre und Forschung. Ihr Profil: Abgeschlossenes Doktorat oder eine dem Doktorat gleichzuwertende wissenschaftliche Bef?higung im Fach Buddhismuskunde, Tibetologie oder einem vergleichbaren Fach mit einem Schwerpunkt auf Philosophie-, Religions- oder Literaturgeschichte; Kenntnisse und Erfahrung in Lehre, Forschung und Verwaltung. Teamf?higkeit, didaktische Qualifikationen und gute fachspezifische EDV-Kenntnisse sowie gute Deutschkenntnisse werden vorausgesetzt. Sehr gute Sanskrit- und Tibetischkenntnisse beim Verstehen von Texten sind Bedingung. Ihre Bewerbung: Wir freuen uns auf Ihre aussagekr?ftige Bewerbung mit Motivationsschreiben unter der Kennzahl 621, welche Sie bis zum 20.09.2009 bevorzugt ?ber unser Job Center (http://jobcenter.univie.ac.at/) an uns ?bermitteln. F?r n?here Ausk?nfte ?ber die ausgeschriebene Position wenden Sie sich bitte an B?ckle, Alexandra +43-1-4277-43501. Die Universitat Wien strebt eine Erh?hung des Frauenanteils insbesondere in Leitungsfunktionen und beim Wissenschaftlichen Personal an und fordert deshalb qualifizierte Frauen ausdr?cklich zur Bewerbung auf. Frauen werden bei gleicher Qualifikation vorrangig aufgenommen. DLE Personalwesen und Frauenforderung der Universitat Wien, Dr.-Karl-Lueger-Ring 1, 1010 Wien Kennzahl der Ausschreibung: 621 Email: jobcenter at univie.ac.at -- Karin Preisendanz Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde Universit?t Wien Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1 A-1090 Wien ?sterreich From indologi at GWDG.DE Sat Sep 5 06:57:01 2009 From: indologi at GWDG.DE (Indologie, Seminar fuer) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 09 08:57:01 +0200 Subject: Professor in ?Indian Religions? (W2), Goettingen (Germany) Message-ID: <161227087557.23782.17461605873924773981.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list members, the Georg-August-University G?ttingen (Germany) is establishing the Centre for Modern Indian Studies (CeMIS) and invites applications for a position of a professor (salary scale W2) in "Indian Religions". The position is available from 1st October 2009. Applications are requested by September 19th, 2009. You'll find complete information below. Kindly forward this mail to suitable candidates. Best regards, Thomas Oberlies -- Prof. Dr. Thomas Oberlies Seminar f?r Indologie und Tibetologie Waldweg 26 D-37073 G?ttingen Tel.: +49-551-39 13301 ----------------------------------------------- The Georg-August-University G?ttingen (Germany) is establishing the Centre for Modern Indian Studies (CeMIS) and invites applications for a position of a - professor in ?Indian Religions? (salary scale W2) ? The CeMIS (www.uni-goettingen.de/cemis) is a new founded institution funded by the Land Niedersachsen (State of Lower Saxony) to foster research and teaching on contemporary India. The Centre?s thematic focus is on economic and political development of modern India and its relation to ethnic, religious and linguistic diversity as well as to social inequalities and political conflicts. Three professorships are being established at present. They are affiliated to the Faculty of Economics and to the Faculty of Philosophy. They will be complemented by two additional social science professorships in the near future and shall cooperate in the framework of an interdisciplinary Centre affiliated to several faculties. The position is available from 1st October 2009. Applications are invited from candidates working on religions in contemporary India from a religious studies perspective. This includes particularly candidates who work on Hindu-Muslim or Hindu-Christian relations and their implications for social conflict and political integration in the modern era. Candidates should work with primary materials in an Indian language. Candidates must have an interest in interdisciplinary cooperation with other social science professors in the newly created Centre. Teaching responsibilities will particularly include contributions to, and further development of, a newly created Bachelor in Modern Indian Studies as well as a Master in Modern Indian Development Studies. Participation in other teaching programmes in the Faculty of Philosophy to which the professorship is affiliated, is encouraged and contribution to PhD training within the G?ttingen Graduate School of Humanities is welcomed. Applications, including pertinent documentation (CV, list of publications, teaching and research track records etc.) are requested by September 19th, 2009 and should be sent to the Dekanin der Philosophischen Fakult?t der Georg-August-Universit?t G?ttingen, Humboldtallee, D-37073 G?ttingen, Germany, email: dekanin at phil.uni-goettingen.de. A previously published application deadline for this position is thereby extended. For further information, please contact vice-president Prof. Casper-Hehne, email: hiltraud.casper-hehne at zvw.uni-goettingen.de. Preconditions for appointment are laid down in ? 25 of the Higher Education Law of Lower Saxony of 26.02.2007 (Official Law Gazette of Lower Saxony, Nds. GVBl. 5/2007 p. 69). As a Public Law Foundation, the University of G?ttingen holds the right of appointment. Further details will be explained on inquiry. We explicitly welcome applications from abroad. Under certain circumstances part-time employment is possible. Disabled persons with corresponding aptitude for the position will be favoured. The University strives to increase its proportion of female staff and specifically encourages qualified women to apply. From pankajaindia at GMAIL.COM Sat Sep 5 15:21:00 2009 From: pankajaindia at GMAIL.COM (Pankaj Jain) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 09 16:21:00 +0100 Subject: Online Sanskrit, first-year Message-ID: <161227087559.23782.1453047487720860936.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am teaching first year Sanskrit as an online and as a on-campus course currently at NC State University in Raleigh. Details at: http://delta.ncsu.edu/apps/coursedetail/index.php?id=FL:295::601:FALL:2009 Next year, I will be offering second year Sanskrit also as an online and as an on-campus course. Regards, Pankaj ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Pankaj Jain ???? ??? Teaching Assistant Professor 204 Withers Hall, (919) 515 9307 Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures Department of Philosophy and Religious Studies Science, Technology & Society Program North Carolina State University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Sep 8 10:32:42 2009 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 09 05:32:42 -0500 Subject: Collective Unconscious In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087564.23782.2429910123317657295.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> William Waldron's book on aalayavij?aana has some things to say about this and very fully documents earlier studies of this concept in yogaacaara Buddhism. If I recall correctly (it's been a really long time), Jeff Masson's not very well received book The Oceanic Feeling proposes some analogies. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:12:15 +0000 >From: Harsha Dehejia >Subject: Collective Unconscious >To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > >Friends: > > > >Individual sub-conscious and collective unconscious are terms in Modern European Psychology. > > > >Are there Indian (Hindu/Buddhist) equivalents for this? > > > >Regards. > > > >Harsha V. Dehejia > >Ottawa, ON., Canada. Matthew T. Kapstein Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies The University of Chicago Divinity School Directeur d'?tudes Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris From harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 8 10:12:15 2009 From: harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 09 10:12:15 +0000 Subject: Collective Unconscious Message-ID: <161227087562.23782.4465772852125480025.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Friends: Individual sub-conscious and collective unconscious are terms in Modern European Psychology. Are there Indian (Hindu/Buddhist) equivalents for this? Regards. Harsha V. Dehejia Ottawa, ON., Canada. From e.ciurtin at GMAIL.COM Tue Sep 8 12:00:07 2009 From: e.ciurtin at GMAIL.COM (Eugen Ciurtin) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 09 15:00:07 +0300 Subject: Collective Unconscious In-Reply-To: <20090908053242.CCD89264@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <161227087566.23782.10566755329448263.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Jean Filliozat discussed such parallelisms (having also a medical training) already in the 1940s. See e.g. "L?inconscient dans la psychologie indienne", *Proceedings of the Xth International Congress of Philosophy*, Amsterdam, 1948, t. 1, 267-269 = 1974: 167-169; "The psychological discoveries of Buddhism", *University of Ceylon Review* 13 (1955), nos. 2-3, 69-82 = 1974: 143-156, and also some other contributions from his kleine Schriften: his teaching reports in *Annuaire du Coll?ge de France* during the 1960-1970s); *Laghu-prabandh?**?. Choix d?articles d?indologie*, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1974, and especially *Religion Philosophy Yoga: a selection of articles*, translated by Maurice Shukla,* *Delhi: MLBD, 1991; Colette CAILLAT, Pierre-Sylvain FILLIOZAT, "Jean Filliozat (1906-1982)", *JA* 271 (1983): 1-4, and "Bibliographie des travaux de Jean Filliozat", 5-24. More recently, and in a somewhat different vein, could be of much help the synthesis of Fran?ois C HENET, "*Bh?van?* et cr?ativit? de la conscience", *Numen* 34 (1987), no. 1, 45-96. If you don't have the first papers, I can send you a scan. with kind regards E. Ciurtin Indology 2009/9/8 > William Waldron's book on aalayavij?aana has some things to say about this > and very fully documents earlier studies of this concept in yogaacaara > Buddhism. > > If I recall correctly (it's been a really long time), Jeff Masson's not > very well > received book The Oceanic Feeling proposes some analogies. > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:12:15 +0000 > >From: Harsha Dehejia > >Subject: Collective Unconscious > >To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > > > >Friends: > > > > > > > >Individual sub-conscious and collective unconscious are terms in Modern > European Psychology. > > > > > > > >Are there Indian (Hindu/Buddhist) equivalents for this? > > > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > > >Harsha V. Dehejia > > > >Ottawa, ON., Canada. > > Matthew T. Kapstein > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies > The University of Chicago Divinity School > > Directeur d'?tudes > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris > -- Dr E. Ciurtin Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions www.rahr.ro Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions www.easr.eu Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711 Phone: 00 40 733 951 953 www.ihr-acad.ro From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Thu Sep 10 08:03:27 2009 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 09 10:03:27 +0200 Subject: Publication announcement: Collection Indo logie n=?UTF-8?Q?=C2=B0109,?= IFP / EFEO (memorial volume for T .V. Gopal Iyer) Message-ID: <161227087569.23782.8085703866770397685.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology List members, Please find below information concerning a new publication, URL: ******************* Between Preservation and Recreation: Tamil Traditions of Commentary. Proceedings of a Workshop in Honour of T.V. Gopal Iyer [22/01/1926 -- 01/04/2007] Edited by Eva Wilden, Collection Indologie n?109, IFP / EFEO, 2009, xiv, 319 p. Language: English (except 2 articles in Tamil). 600 Rs (26 ?) ISBN (IFP): 978-81-8470-173-9. ISBN (EFEO): 978-2-85539-674-3 The seed from which this book germinated was a workshop entitled ?Between Preservation and Recreation: Tamil Traditions of Commentary in Pursuit of the Ca?kam Era?, held in the Pondicherry Centre of the EFEO in July 2006 in honour of the late and much lamented Pandit T.V. Gopal Iyer. A presentation of the life and work of T.V. Gopal Iyer, along with his bibliography, is followed by essays. After a general introduction by Eva Wilden, Thomas Lehmann gives a survey of the types of commentary found in Tamil. Jean-Luc Chevillard addresses the interaction between scholastic Sanskrit and Tamil. G. Vijayavenugopal, Eva Wilden and A. Dhamodharan deal with the genre of grammatical and poetological commentaries. Martine Gestin explores the possibilities of retrieving social and anthropological information from a poetological commentary. T.V. Gopal Iyer (?2007), T.S. Gangadharan and T. Rajeswari write about literary commentaries. R. Varadadesikan introduces the genre of Vaishnava theological exegesis and, finally, Sascha Ebeling characterises the ?neo-commentaries? of the 19th century. Keywords: Tamil literature, exegesis, philology ******************** Order form available from: ******************* TABLE OF CONTENTS *Preface* E. WILDEN: Remembering T.V. GOPAL IYER ix S. EBELING: The Death of a Discipline: In memoriam T.V. Gopal Iyer xi *Biography of T.V.G.* T.V. GOPAL IYER: tami? pa?utta u??am [in Tamil] 1 R. ILAKKUVAN: A Life-time for the Cause of Tamil 13 R. ILAKKUVAN: Bibliography of T.V. GOPAL IYER 23 C.V. of T.V. GOPAL IYER 35 *Introduction* E. WILDEN: Between Preservation and Recreation -- Tamil Traditions of commentary 37 *General outlines* T. LEHMANN: A Survey of Classical Tamil Commentary Literature 55 J.-L. CHEVILLARD: The Meta-grammatical Vocabulary inside the Lists of 32 tantrayuktis and Its Adaptation to Tamil -- Towards a Sanskrit-Tamil Dictionary 71 *On Grammar and Poetics* G. VIJAYAVENUGOPAL: Tolk?ppiyam -- A Treatise on the Semiotics of Ancient Tamil Poetry 133 E. WILDEN: Canonisation of Classical Tamil Texts in the Mirror of the Poetological Commentaries 145 A. DHAMODHARAN: ka?aviyal uraiyi? na?ai [in Tamil] 167 M. GESTIN: A Brilliant Gloss for Tamil Social History: Pre-marital Courtship and Marriage at the Time of Nakk?rar 183 *On Poetry* T.V. GOPAL IYER: Our Debt of Gratitude to the Commentators 227 T.S. GANGADHARAN: The Commentator?s Interpretation Illumines Our Illusive Attempt to Give a Verbatim Meaning -- Parim?la?akar?s Commentary on the Ku?a? 237 T. RAJESWARI: P?laikkali Verses and Their Authors 255 *On Theology* R. VARADA DESIKAN: The Influence of Society, Religion and Politics on the Vai??ava Ma?ippirav??am Commentaries between the 11th and 15th c. A.D. 269 *On the Revival of the 19th century* S. EBELING: Tamil or ?Incomprehensible Scribble?? The Tamil Philological Commentary (urai) in the 19th Century 281 *Notes on the Authors* 313 *French R?sum?s* 317 From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Thu Sep 10 15:34:07 2009 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 09 17:34:07 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #356 Message-ID: <161227087571.23782.16052085077477331444.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Gopatha-Brahmana (revised) Jitari: Hetutattvopadesa [alternative version] Kambalapada: Navasloki [on Astasahasrika Prajnaparamita] Mahasudarsanavadana (revised) Manjusrimulakalpa (corrections) __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Sat Sep 12 00:22:33 2009 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 09 01:22:33 +0100 Subject: Hindu Studies Position at the University of Michigan Message-ID: <161227087574.23782.6148103222956706756.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Please forward this information to all those who may be interested. Madhav Deshpande UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, Department of Asian Languages and Cultures invites applications for a tenure-track position in HINDU STUDIES, beginning September 2010. This university-year appointment is possible at any rank. Ph.D. is required prior to appointment. Applicants from a wide variety of periods and fields within Hindu Studies will be considered. All applicants should possess a high level of proficiency in one or more South Asian languages. The successful candidate is expected to teach a range of courses in Hindu Studies from introductory undergraduate lecture courses through graduate seminars; to supervise doctoral dissertations; and to participate actively in the programs of the department as well as in area studies initiatives within a larger university community that encourages interdisciplinary efforts. Evidence of excellent teaching and research abilities is essential. Please submit a letter of application, CV, statement of teaching philosophy and experience, evidence of teaching excellence (if any), and a statement of current and future research plans. Junior candidates may submit a placement dossier with representative publications or writing sample and at least three letters of recommendation. Senior candidates should send the names of suggested reviewers. Please send applications to Hindu Studies Search, Department of Asian Languages and Cultures, 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608 (email chair?s assistant: kjmunson at umich.edu). To be assured consideration, applications must be received by October 15, 2009. The University of Michigan is an Equal Opportunity/ Affirmative Action Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. The University is supportive of the needs of dual career couples. All applications will be acknowledged. From rmanring at INDIANA.EDU Mon Sep 14 13:34:54 2009 From: rmanring at INDIANA.EDU (Manring, Rebecca) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 09 09:34:54 -0400 Subject: Subhadra Kumar Sen, July 3, 1939- September 5, 2009 Message-ID: <161227087577.23782.18007739520435146811.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Subhadra Kumar Sen, July 3, 1939- September 5, 2009 It is my sad duty to report that Subhadra Kumar Sen, retired Khaira Professor of Phonetics and Linguistics at Calcutta University, died in Kolkata on Saturday, September 5. Professor Sen graduated from Calcutta University in 1961 and earned his PhD in 1973 from the same institution under the supervision of Prof Suniti Kumar Chatterji. His doctoral dissertation was entitled "Proto New Indo-Aryan that is Avahattha." He married Krishna in 1967. Their daughter Sunritavari (Nupur) Sen was born in 1970, and their son Sunanda Kumar (Som) Sen, in 1976. Both are continuing the family tradition of academic careers. His service to the profession included serving as Treasurer of the Asiatic Society in Kolkata; Vice-President, Sahitya Parisad; President, International School of Dravidian Linguistics, Executive Committee Member, Paschim Banga Bangla Academy, Honorary Member, Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur, Honorary Secretary, Federation Hall. If I may be permitted personal comments...I first met Professor Sen in 1992 while I was trying to find some manuscripts I needed for my dissertation research, that I learned were in Sukumar Sen's private manuscript collection. My own scholarly career began just too late for me to have met Sukumar Sen himself, who had died only a few years prior to my visit, but armed with letters of introduction from my University of Washington gurus Carol and Richard Salomon, and from Dr. Uma Das Gupta, then Eastern Regional Director of the U.S.Educational Foundation in India (the Fulbright Foundation), under whose auspices I was conducting my research, I went to North Kolkata to meet his son, Professor Subhadra Kumar Sen. Like his father, this Professor Sen held the Khaira Professorship of Indian Linguistics and Phonetics at Calcutta University and shared all of his father=s other interests as well (including an abiding passion for early to mid twentieth century American detective fiction). After an initial meeting, Professor Sen invited me to lunch with his family in the old home in Barddhaman, which had remained closed since his father's death a few years previously. We spent much of that visit hauling stacks of manuscripts out of the library and into a room with better light, where we could peruse them. "We" here means ABahadur,@ the caretaker of the house; Professor Sen; and his son and daughter, both then university students following the family academic tradition. Each stack was thickly coated with dust, cobwebs, crumbled bits of paper, and the like, and very few of the materials were labeled. It was heartbreaking to think of all the time and effort, and thought, that Sukumar Sen had originally put into that library, as we looked at these mountains and mountains of deteriorating and apparently unindexed materials. We went through every piece we could find, and since they were unlabeled, we had to try to guess the titles of the works by skimming a few folios. At the very least we could usually tell what sort of work a manuscript was. But even though we were unable to locate the pieces I had hoped to find, the opportunity to see exactly what was in the collection, to find intricately carved wooden book covers, and block-print-illustrated manuscripts, and sketches drawn in margins by scribes working years ago, made for a very exciting day. Later, back in Kolkata, Subhadra Kumar Sen and I began to talk about what might be done to save his father=s collection from complete oblivion. We wanted first of all (lacking his father=s own handlist) to have some sort of record of what was contained therein, and secondly, we wanted other scholars to be able to have access, with the family's permission, to any of the materials they might need for their own research. For many reasons, the Sen project required eight years to complete. Although at times annoying, this proved a blessing, as we all became close friends over the course of my many visits during that time. In 1998 I brought a team of Indiana colleagues to Kolkata, and Prof. Sen generously gave us a great deal of his time, showing us the Ashutosh Museum at Calcutta University, as well as classroom buildings and the beautiful murals in the halls of the Ashutosh building where he had his office. It was largely out of respect for this generation=s Professor Sen that I came to want to see his father=s place in academic history firmly secured with the microfilming of the manuscript collection. As will be apparent from the incomplete bibliography below, SK Sen was an accomplished scholar in his own right, a very active member of the Kolkata academic community and of the smaller group of Indo-European scholars throughout the world. My last visit with the family was on what I now realize was Prof. Sen's (I would never dare to address him any other way, though I thought of him as a favourite uncle) 70th birthday. I met his first grandchild, Anasmita, clearly the pride and joy of her grandparents and the entire family. As his name indicates, Subhadra Kumar Sen was both a scholar and a gentleman, and those who knew him will miss him very much. Professor Sen's publications include Monographs A Gothic Primer. Calcutta: Eastern Publishers, 1979. Muhammad Shahidullah. New Delhi: Sahitya Akademi, 1998. Old Bengali Syntax. Thiruvananthapuram: International School of Dravidian Linguistics, 2007. Proto New Indo-Aryan. Calcutta: Eastern Publishers, 1973 and reissued by Shree Balaram Prakasani, 2007. (with Taracarana Sikadara) Kasiramadasa's Bhadrarjuna: 1852 Khrishtabde prakasita nataka. Kolkata: Eastern Publishers, 1966. (with Irach J.S. Taraporewala) Hanjamana. Calcutta: Calcutta University, 1989. Articles "Formation of Personal Names in Indo-European." International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics 34.2(2005):153-158. "Old Persian Notes." Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute 51-52(1991-1992):357-359. "On *pius." General Linguistics 41.1(2001):265. "Suniti Kumar Chatterji's Contribution to Linguistics." Asian Studies (Calcutta) 8.1(1990):13-23. "There is a similar reason..." Indo-Iranica 41.1-4(1988):91-96. "Unrequited Love: East and West." Journal of Indo-European Studies 25.4(1997):417. "Word Ordering in the Astadhyahi." Journal of Indo-European Studies 27.1-2(1999):101-103. "Wulfila and Indo-European Literary Tradition. Journal of the Asiatic Society (Calcutta) 27.4(1985):121-124. (with E.P. Hamp, W.P. Lehman, M. Mayrhofer, J. Puhvel and W. Winter) "Proto-Indo-European: A multiangular view. Journal of Indo-European Studies 22.1-2(1994):67-89. Rebecca J. Manring Associate Professor India Studies and Religious Studies Indiana University-Bloomington From vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Sep 14 17:06:19 2009 From: vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 09 13:06:19 -0400 Subject: GRETIL update #357 Message-ID: <161227087585.23782.16015709079505896582.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The links to Asanga: Trisatikayah Prajnaparamitayah Karikasaptatih do not appear to be working. One gets a "404 File not found", whether looking for the html, csx or ree version. I'm sure this is just a simple oversight that can be easily remedied. Thank you wonderful work. Dan Lusthaus From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Sep 14 21:07:03 2009 From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 09 14:07:03 -0700 Subject: Festschrift? Message-ID: <161227087588.23782.4567726921281821626.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Petteri, I seem to remember receiving a message from you some time ago about a proposed Festschrift for Klaus Karttunen; but I can't find any record of it. Is my memory correct, or just fantasy? In any case, if there is such a project, and if it is not too late to submit something, I do have a short article which would be appropriate for it. Please let me know about this, Thanks Richard From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Sep 14 21:08:54 2009 From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 09 14:08:54 -0700 Subject: Festschrift? Message-ID: <161227087591.23782.4327505625811294448.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Sorry, please ignore this message -- it was supposed to be personal. R. Salomon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Salomon" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Festschrift? > Dear Petteri, > > I seem to remember receiving a message from you some time ago about a > proposed Festschrift for Klaus Karttunen; but I can't find any record of > it. Is my memory correct, or just fantasy? > > In any case, if there is such a project, and if it is not too late to > submit something, I do have a short article which would be appropriate for > it. Please let me know about this, > > Thanks > > Richard > From jim at KHECARI.COM Mon Sep 14 15:33:20 2009 From: jim at KHECARI.COM (james mallinson) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 09 16:33:20 +0100 Subject: Sri Lankan Ayurveda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087579.23782.15959303924926013349.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology List members, After reading Dominik's fine essay I followed up his reference to Vaidya Bhagwan Dash's Fundamentals of Ayurvedic Medicine (Delhi: Bansal and Co. 1980), which has a chapter (pp.141-157) entitled "Cannabis in Ancient Medical Texts". It includes a list of 51 formulations containing cannabis which have been described in a dozen ayurvedic works. One of the 11 varieties of modaka ("formulations used in round bollus form") is madana modaka (p.155). Unfortunately Dash does not say which texts contain details of which formulations. Yours, with best wishes, Jim Mallinson On 17 Aug 2009, at 23:56, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > No, I'm afraid I haven't heard of Modana modaka. Wouldn't that just > be a sweet? What is the evidence for it being cannabis or an > opiate? (Very different substances?) Are the effects described, > especially heightened appetite? Is the plant described? Are the > distinct male and female plants of cannabis distinguished (as in the > Anandakanda, for instance). > > -- > Dr Dominik Wujastyk > International Institute of Asian Studies > http://iias.nl > > long term email address: wujastyk at gmail.com > > > > > On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, Osto, Douglas wrote: > >> Thank you and others for your references to Sri Lankan Ayurveda. In >> reference to your above mentioned article, I have come across a >> herbal medicine mentioned in Sri Lankan Ayurveda called "Modana >> Modaka". Have you heard of this? I suspected that it might be >> either cannabis or some opiate. >> >> d.o. >> >> Dr. Douglas Osto >> Religious Studies and Philosophy Programmes >> School of History, Philosophy and Classics >> Massey University >> Private Bag 11 222 >> Palmerston North >> New Zealand >> ph: +64 6 356 9099 ex. 7608 >> http://www.douglasosto.com > From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Mon Sep 14 16:44:53 2009 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 09 18:44:53 +0200 Subject: GRETIL update #357 Message-ID: <161227087582.23782.17413381712915763134.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Asanga: Trisatikayah Prajnaparamitayah Karikasaptatih Dasabalasutra 1-4 Vidyakarasanti: Tarkasopana __________________________________________________________________________ "GRETIL is intended as a cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts in Indian languages." (from the 2001 "mission statement") GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm From gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Tue Sep 15 07:06:40 2009 From: gruenen at SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 09 09:06:40 +0200 Subject: AW: GRETIL update #357 Message-ID: <161227087593.23782.261379501294675525.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ________________________________ Von: Indology im Auftrag von Dan Lusthaus Gesendet: Mo 14.09.2009 19:06 An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Betreff: Re: GRETIL update #357 The links to Asanga: Trisatikayah Prajnaparamitayah Karikasaptatih do not appear to be working. ___________________________________ Now they do. Thanks for the hint. R. Gr?nendahl From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM Fri Sep 18 20:12:39 2009 From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM (Stephen Hodge) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 09 21:12:39 +0100 Subject: Contact sought Message-ID: <161227087596.23782.9638278104256552987.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear friends, Does anybody have an email contact for Dr Akira Shimada, who has worked on the history of the Amaravati Stupa. Replies off-list please. Many thanks, Stephen Hodge From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM Sat Sep 19 16:17:33 2009 From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM (Stephen Hodge) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 09 17:17:33 +0100 Subject: Contact sought Message-ID: <161227087599.23782.8045905224782705754.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thank you everybody who responded ~ I now have Dr Shimada's contact details in full. Stephen Hodge From jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM Mon Sep 21 14:01:55 2009 From: jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM (girish jha) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 09 07:01:55 -0700 Subject: Happy Navaratra-Durga Puja Message-ID: <161227087601.23782.16949697923147636567.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, ? ?Sattvodrekakaram? sadyao jn?navijn?navardhanam?. Navar?tram idam? bh?y?t ?r?devyanukampay?. Regards, Sincerely GIRISH K. JHA, DEPT OF SANSKRIT,PATNA UNIV.,INDIA ? From jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM Mon Sep 21 15:02:39 2009 From: jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM (girish jha) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 09 08:02:39 -0700 Subject: Happy Navaratra-Durga Puja Message-ID: <161227087604.23782.12366403102538779807.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, ? Sattvodrekakaram? sadyao jn?navijn?navardhanam?. Navar?tram idam? bh?y?t ?r?devyanukampay?. Regards, Sincerely GIRISH K. JHA DEPT OF SANSKRIT,PATNA UNIV.,INDIA ? From axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE Tue Sep 22 08:15:11 2009 From: axel.michaels at YAHOO.DE (Axel Michaels) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 09 01:15:11 -0700 Subject: New publication (sorry for cross-mailing) Message-ID: <161227087608.23782.1700964616382964190.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The Body in India: Ritual, Transgression, Performativity ed. by Axel Michaels and Christoph Wulf Berlin: Akademie Verlag, 2009 (= Paragrana ? Internationale Zeitschrift f?r Historische Anthropologie, vol. 18.1 (2009)) 323 pp., 28,- Euro Contents Axel Michaels and Christoph Wulf: Rethinking the Body: An Introduction 1. The body in religious and philosophical texts Francis Zimmermann A Hindu to His Body: The Reinscription of Traditional Representations Charles Malamoud The Skin and the Self: A Note on the Limits of The Body in Brahmanic India Gerad Colas God?s Body: Epistemic and Ritual Conceptions from Sanskrit Texts of Logic David Gordon White Yogic Rays: The Self-Externaliziation of the Yogi in Ritual, Narrative and Philosophy Gavin Flood Body, Breath, Representation in Shaiva Tantrism Fabrizia Baldissera Telling Bodies: The Uncanny Images of Hypocrits, Bawda, Drunkards and Fake Gurus in Sanskrit Satirical Works Margrit Pernau The Indian Body and Unani Medicine: Body History as Entangled History Arno B?hler Open Bodies 2. The body in narratives and ritual performances Rich Freeman Untouchable Bodies of Knowledge in the Spirit Possesion of Malabar William Sax Performing God?s Body Cornelia Schnepel Bodies field with Divine Energy: The Indian Dance Odissi Ute H?sken Ritual Competence as Embodied Knowledge S. Simon John, Human Body, Folk Narratives and Rituals 3. The body in visualisations and images Monica Juneja Translating the Body into Image: The Body Politic and Visual Practice at the Mughal Court During the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries Christiane Brosius The Multiple Bodies of the Bride: Ritualising ?World Class? at Elite Weddings in Urban India Rekha Menon The Politics of the Sensous and the Sacre Body in India Iris Clemens Lost in Translation? Managing Paradoxical Situations by Inventing Identities From jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 22 09:08:34 2009 From: jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM (girish jha) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 09 02:08:34 -0700 Subject: Happy Navaratra repeated due to metric drawback. Message-ID: <161227087611.23782.12174466491170464183.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, ? Sattvodrekakaram? sadyo jn?navijn?navardhanam?. Navar?tram idam? bh?y?t ?r?devy?? anukampay?. Regards, Sincerely GIRISH K. JHA DEPT OF SANSKRIT,PATNA UNIV. INDIA ? From nina.mirnig at UNIV.OX.AC.UK Tue Sep 22 08:07:37 2009 From: nina.mirnig at UNIV.OX.AC.UK (Nina Mirnig) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 09 09:07:37 +0100 Subject: IIGRS - final reminder Message-ID: <161227087606.23782.17900785088560704228.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list members, This is a final reminder that the first International Indology Graduate Research Symposium (IIGRS) will be held at St.Hilda?s College, Oxford University, from the 28th ? 29th September. Please find the programme at http://iigrs.byethost17.com/programme/ , and contact me directly at nina.mirnig(at)univ.ox.ac.uk should you be interested in attending. The IIGRS is possible thanks to the generous financial support of the Arts and Humanities Research Council (AHRC), UK, and the Faculty of Oriental Studies, University of Oxford. With best wishes, Nina Mirnig, on behalf of the Organizing Committee Candidate for the D.phil in Oriental Studies University of Oxford From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Sep 22 17:44:35 2009 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 09 13:44:35 -0400 Subject: India, Raj and Empire database available at Library of Congress Message-ID: <161227087613.23782.17604014982952012097.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The Library of Congress has just instituted a permanent subscription to this database from Adam Mathew Digital. India, Raj and Empire Manuscript Collections from the National Library of Scotland On-Site Access Only Description: Provides historical material from the manuscript collections of the National Library of Scotland covering South Asia between the foundation of the East India Company in 1615 and the granting of independence to India and Pakistan in 1947. India, Raj and Empire traces social and urban history, Indian politics, the growth of Nationalism, and colonial administration. The Raj typically refers to areas directly administered by the United Kingdom, as well as the princely states ruled by individual rulers under the paramountcy of the British Crown - which in this resource includes Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Malaysia and Singapore. Thematic areas that can be browsed: * The East India Company: Government and Administration c.1750-1857 * Agriculture and Trade c.1750-1857 * Society, Travel and Leisure c.1750-1857 * The Mysore and Maratha Wars * Indian Uprising 1857-58 * The Raj: British Government and Administration of India after 1858 * Agriculture and Trade after 1858 * Society, Travel and Leisure after 1858 * India: Literature, History and Culture List of Sources from the National Library of Scotland Coverage: 1615 - 1947 Subject(s) Asian Studies History, Genealogy & Archives Politics & Government Subscription Database List Allen Thrasher Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian Team Coordinator South Asia Team, Asian Division Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150 101 Independence Ave., S.E. Washington, DC 20540-4810 tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Sep 23 12:37:42 2009 From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 09 14:37:42 +0200 Subject: Publication Announcement Message-ID: <161227087616.23782.16492768837979265862.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Upanischaden - Arkanum des Veda. Walter Slaje. Frankfurt /M: Verlag der Weltreligionen 2009. pp. 654. 42,00 ? ISBN: 978-3-458-70020-3 Contents: Annotated German translation with introduction and exhaustive indexes. Rgveda: (1) Aitareya, (2) Kausitaki Black Yajurveda: (3) Taittiriya, (4) Svetasvatara, (5) Katha White Yajurveda: (6) Brhadaranyaka(Madhyandina), (7) Isa(Madhyandina) Samaveda: (8) Chandogya, (9) Kena Atharvaveda (10) Mundaka, (11) Prasna, (12) Mandukya Kindly regarding, WS ------------------------------ Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar (Germany) www.indologie.uni-halle.de Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. From James_Fitzgerald at BROWN.EDU Thu Sep 24 10:12:53 2009 From: James_Fitzgerald at BROWN.EDU (Fitzgerald, James) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 09 06:12:53 -0400 Subject: New Ph.D. programs in Sanskrit/Indian Religions at Brown University Message-ID: <161227087618.23782.14494606438400841449.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, Please pass the following two announcements along to wherever it may be of interest to qualified applicants. Brown University is now accepting applications for Fall 2010 for a new Ph.D. track in Sanskrit in its Department of Classics. Information is available at http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Sanskrit_in_Classics_at_Brown/SanskritP rogram/ . The Department of Religious Studies at Brown (http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Religious_Studies/ ) has also recently approved a Ph.D. program in South Asian Religions as part of a new Asian Religions Track. It too is accepting applications for graduate study to begin in the Fall of 2010. Thank you, James L. Fitzgerald Das Professor of Sanskrit Department of Classics Brown University From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU Fri Sep 25 20:15:02 2009 From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 09 13:15:02 -0700 Subject: Indian Roman Keyboard for Mac In-Reply-To: <49FA01725B5DCC4D9F91524E8DC478AE01B401A8@VS2.exc.top.gwdg.de> Message-ID: <161227087621.23782.12351289894040953759.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I have made a unicode keyboard driver for the Mac (OS X -- I'm using Snow leopard, but it should run on earlier versions of OS X) that uses the forward slash as a dead key and enables easy input of the diacriticals for Tamil and Sanskrit (and most other South Asian languages). It is available at http://tamil.berkeley.edu/software. The software is in the public domain. I did this because I suddenly realized that all the diacriticals needed for Sanskrit and Tamil are already in unicode and there is no need for a special font -- I have used the TimesIndian font for years. I have developed a Nisus macro, also available from the above website, that converts from TimesIndian to unicode for Indian diacriticals. Hope this proves useful to some. George Hart From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU Fri Sep 25 20:18:57 2009 From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 09 13:18:57 -0700 Subject: Indian Roman Keyboard for Mac (Corrected URL) In-Reply-To: <49FA01725B5DCC4D9F91524E8DC478AE01B401A8@VS2.exc.top.gwdg.de> Message-ID: <161227087623.23782.12478457163601559185.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> (Note the correction: the website is http://tamil.berkeley.edu and then you choose software). I have made a unicode keyboard driver for the Mac (OS X -- I'm using Snow leopard, but it should run on earlier versions of OS X) that uses the forward slash as a dead key and enables easy input of the diacriticals for Tamil and Sanskrit (and most other South Asian languages). It is available at http://tamil.berkeley.edu (choose software). The software is in the public domain. I did this because I suddenly realized that all the diacriticals needed for Sanskrit and Tamil are already in unicode and there is no need for a special font -- I have used the TimesIndian font for years. I have developed a Nisus macro, also available from the above website, that converts from TimesIndian to unicode for Indian diacriticals. Hope this proves useful to some. George Hart From tmahadevan at HOWARD.EDU Sun Sep 27 19:29:39 2009 From: tmahadevan at HOWARD.EDU (Mahadevan, Thennilapuram) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 09 15:29:39 -0400 Subject: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087626.23782.6548914284910653919.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hello Palaniappan: I just got back from India by was of Kyoto and World Sanskrit Conference. I find this article very interesting and stimulating. It has helped me clarify the "mUvEndar" idea,in the Sangam period. Would you place the CEras at Karur? Best, TP ________________________________________ From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan [Palaniappa at AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:25 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela Here are some further thoughts on akam 31. At a minimum, akam 31 firmly establishes that the Classical Tamil poems like it are of the pre-Kalabhra and pre-Pallava period since that region was never under the control of the three Tamil dynasties at the same time during and after the Kalabhra period. mAmUlan2Ar did not seem to have been patronized by the Pandyas. Of the 30 poems sung by him, only one mentions Pandyas as a dynasty. It does not even mention a specific Pandya king. If anything, mAmUlan2Ar was probably a resident of northern Tamil Nadu based on the details he gives for various chieftains and areas of the northern Tamil region as well as non-Tamil speaking people in the border regions. Also, as one looks at the textual and epigraphic data, the existence of an earlier Tamil confederacy becomes more and more certain. Consider for example the following Classical Tamil poem. potumai cuTTiya mUvar ulakamum potumai in2Ri ANTicin2Orkkum (puRam 357.2-3) ?Even for kings who ruled alone the land that was said to be (ruled in) common by the three kings?? Another poem says taN tamiz potu en2a poRAan2 ... (puRam 51.5) ?He will not bear (to hear) the saying that the cool Tamil land is ruled in common? The poems clearly point to an earlier view of the Tamil land being shared by the three kings ?mUventar?. In other words, it was a land of three states (or tri-state) in one common Tamil nation. Even though there were chieftains like atiyamAn2 and malaiyamAn2 in the northern regions, the use of mUvar in association with rulers only referred to the three lineages of Chera, Chola, and Pandya. This is also seen in the following puRam lines sung by veLLaikkuTi nAkan2Ar in praise of Chola kiLLivaLavan2.. ?taN tamizk kizavar muracu muzagku tAn2ai mUvar uLLum aracu en2appaTuvatu nin2aE? (puRam 35.3-5) "of (the kingdoms of) the three owners of the cool Tamil land with armies with resounding drums yours alone can be called a real kingdom." Thus ?tamiz kezu mUvar? of mAmUlan2Ar and ?tamizk kizavar?mUvar? of veLLaikkuTi nAkan2Ar refer to the same threeTamil dynasties. mAmUlan2Ar sings about the famous fierce battle between the Chola king KarikAlan2 and Chera king cEralAtan2 as something in the past in akam 55. But he talks about all three kings protecting the northern frontier of Tamil region in the present. It looks as if Tamil confederacy continued even after there were some famous battles among the three kings. There are also occasions -good and bad- when the three kings come together as in puRam 367 when auvaiyAr compares the three kings to three Vedic fires or when kapilar advises them in puRam 110 against their siege of chieftain pAri?s hill. In puRam 58, kArikkaNNan2Ar praises the friendship of the Chola king and Pandya king as following the tradition of the ancient ones and wishes that they incise their symbols of tiger and carp together on the hills of their enemies. Earlier scholars like K. B. Pathak (Epigraphia Indica 9.205) have translated 'trairAjya' in South Indian Sanskrit inscriptions and literary texts as "the confederacy of three kings". Pathak quotes a commentary of Adipurana which explains trairAjya as meaning "Chola , Kerala and Pandya". The fact that the royal officials of Pandya, and Chola continued to be given the title mUvEntavELAn2 as late as 13th century CE (where the prefix mUvEnta- refers to the three Tamil kings), almost a millennium after the three kingdoms ceased to have any semblance of a confederacy, indicates the vestigial notions that must have been developed during the days of the confederacy. Possibly after the Tamil country comes under the rule of Kalabhras, iLaGkO, a Chera prince and the author of cilappatikAram, the famous Tamil epic, seems to look back nostalgically at the bygone era of Tamil confederacy and recreates it in the actions of ceGkuTTuvan2, the Chera king. In patiRRuppattu, a Classical Tamil text dealing with the Chera dynasty, no Chera king is described as having incised all three Tamil emblems (carp, bow, and tiger) on the Himalayas. Only the bow was incised by a Chera king. iLaGko incorporates the spirit of puRam 58 and makes ceGkuTTuvan2 incise all three signs. There are other features in the text which shows that iLaGkO presents a unified Tamil nation and ceGkuTTuvan2 as representing a Tamil ?confederacy.? Kamil Zvelebil calls cilappatikAram ?the first consciously national work of Tamil literature, the literary evidence of the fact that the Tamils had by that time attained nationhood.? Actually this view should be revised to state that it was the last outpouring of the longing for a nation of Tamils ruled in common by the three kings, which had ceased to exist much earlier. Thereafter, the Pandyas and Cholas seem to have ruled as Pandyas and Cholas and not as Tamils sharing a common Tamil realm (even though they patronized Tamil (along with Sanskrit) and Velvikkudi plates praise a post-Kalabhra Pandya king as having incised the carp, tiger, and bow emblems on a tall mountain). Also, when periyapurANam 4169.1 composed by the minister of Kulottunga Chola II of 12th century CE mentions ?mUvEntar tamiz vazagku nATTukku appAl? (?beyond the country where Tamil of the three kings is prevalent? ), we again seem to see a vestigial reference to the earlier confederacy ruling over the common Tamil nation. Regards, S. Palaniappan From Palaniappa at AOL.COM Mon Sep 28 04:45:14 2009 From: Palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 00:45:14 -0400 Subject: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela Message-ID: <161227087628.23782.17891794289772732323.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear TP, Yes, the early capital of the cEra kings was karuvUr/karUr. Regards, Palaniappan In a message dated 9/27/2009 2:34:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tmahadevan at HOWARD.EDU writes: Hello Palaniappan: I just got back from India by was of Kyoto and World Sanskrit Conference. I find this article very interesting and stimulating. It has helped me clarify the "mUvEndar" idea,in the Sangam period. Would you place the CEras at Karur? Best, TP From christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE Mon Sep 28 06:47:56 2009 From: christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 08:47:56 +0200 Subject: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087631.23782.10139630108606478464.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The problem remains the location of this karuvUr/karUr. See K.T. Ravi Varma, On the original home of CEras and the wandering Va?ci, Kottayam, 1998, pp. 103 sq. (at least for the survey of the debate about the location). Christophe Vielle > >Dear TP, > >Yes, the early capital of the cEra kings was karuvUr/karUr. > >Regards, >Palaniappan > > >In a message dated 9/27/2009 2:34:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >tmahadevan at HOWARD.EDU writes: > >Hello Palaniappan: >I just got back from India by was of Kyoto and World Sanskrit Conference. > >I find this article very interesting and stimulating. It has helped me >clarify the "mUvEndar" idea,in the Sangam period. Would you place the CEras >at Karur? > >Best, TP -- http://www.uclouvain.be/christophe.vielle http://belgianindology.lalibreblogs.be From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR Mon Sep 28 07:39:07 2009 From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 09:39:07 +0200 Subject: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087634.23782.14580570340863140839.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Regarding Kar?r, a recent useful book to consult is the two-volume /Catalogue of Archaeological Sites in Tamil Nadu/, K. Rajan, V.P. Yathees Kumar, S. Selvakumar, Heritage India Trust, Thanjavur, 2009. (with a preface by Y. Subbarayalu) ISBN: 978-81-907451-1-6 (Vol.1) ISBN: 978-81-907451-2-3 (Vol. 2) Inside the section "Archaeology of Amaravathi, Noyyal and Bhavani river valley", professor K. Rajan writes (p.30): "This region was under the control of Ch?ras whose first capital Va?ji was on the banks of river Periyar in the district Trichur and the second capital Kar?r was on the left bank of river Amaravathi at its confluence with river Kaveri. Both the capitals were connected with a well-established trade route that connected through Palghat pass on its west and with K?v?ripa??i?am on the east through Ch??a capital U?aiy?r along the river K?v?ri". The book provides a lot of up-to-date information on 1995 sites. For the modern Karur district, 86 sites are listed (site N? 732 to site N? 817) on pp.265-292 (with precise location and bibliography). -- Jean-Luc Chevillard Christophe Vielle a ?crit : > The problem remains the location of this karuvUr/karUr. > See K.T. Ravi Varma, On the original home of CEras and the wandering > Va?ci, Kottayam, 1998, pp. 103 sq. (at least for the survey of the > debate about the location). > Christophe Vielle > > >> >> Dear TP, >> >> Yes, the early capital of the cEra kings was karuvUr/karUr. >> >> Regards, >> Palaniappan >> >> >> In a message dated 9/27/2009 2:34:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> tmahadevan at HOWARD.EDU writes: >> >> Hello Palaniappan: >> I just got back from India by was of Kyoto and World Sanskrit >> Conference. >> >> I find this article very interesting and stimulating. It has helped me >> clarify the "mUvEndar" idea,in the Sangam period. Would you place the >> CEras >> at Karur? >> >> Best, TP > > From beitel at GWU.EDU Mon Sep 28 14:26:14 2009 From: beitel at GWU.EDU (Alfred Hiltebeitel) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 10:26:14 -0400 Subject: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela In-Reply-To: <3F1D433A9F0362458046CF05D2B02A360876A8D0B8@WPDC-EXMB02.howardu.net> Message-ID: <161227087636.23782.935849788154029630.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Great, circles upon circles, all closing in. Thank god for the Kalabhras!!! Alf Hiltebeitel Professor of Religion and Human Sciences Department of Religion 2106 G Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20052 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mahadevan, Thennilapuram" Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Hello Palaniappan: > I just got back from India by was of Kyoto and World Sanskrit Conference. > > I find this article very interesting and stimulating. It has helped > me clarify the "mUvEndar" idea,in the Sangam period. Would you place > the CEras at Karur? > > Best, TP > ________________________________________ > From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Sudalaimuthu > Palaniappan [Palaniappa at AOL.COM] > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:25 AM > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela > > Here are some further thoughts on akam 31. > At a minimum, akam 31 firmly establishes that the Classical Tamil poems > like it are of the pre-Kalabhra and pre-Pallava period since that > region was > never under the control of the three Tamil dynasties at the same time > during and after the Kalabhra period. mAmUlan2Ar did not seem to > have been > patronized by the Pandyas. Of the 30 poems sung by him, only one mentions > Pandyas as a dynasty. It does not even mention a specific Pandya > king. If > anything, mAmUlan2Ar was probably a resident of northern Tamil Nadu > based on the > details he gives for various chieftains and areas of the northern Tamil > region as well as non-Tamil speaking people in the border regions. > Also, as one looks at the textual and epigraphic data, the existence > of an > earlier Tamil confederacy becomes more and more certain. Consider for > example the following Classical Tamil poem. > potumai cuTTiya mUvar ulakamum > potumai in2Ri ANTicin2Orkkum (puRam 357.2-3) > ?Even for kings who ruled alone the land that was said to be (ruled > in) > common by the three kings?? > Another poem says > taN tamiz potu en2a poRAan2 ... (puRam 51.5) > ?He will not bear (to hear) the saying that the cool Tamil land is ruled > in common? > The poems clearly point to an earlier view of the Tamil land being shared > by the three kings ?mUventar?. In other words, it was a land of three > states (or tri-state) in one common Tamil nation. Even though there > were > chieftains like atiyamAn2 and malaiyamAn2 in the northern regions, > the use of > mUvar in association with rulers only referred to the three lineages > of > Chera, Chola, and Pandya. This is also seen in the following puRam > lines sung > by veLLaikkuTi nAkan2Ar in praise of Chola kiLLivaLavan2.. > ?taN tamizk kizavar > muracu muzagku tAn2ai mUvar uLLum > aracu en2appaTuvatu nin2aE? (puRam 35.3-5) > "of (the kingdoms of) the three owners of the cool Tamil land with armies > with resounding drums yours alone can be called a real kingdom." > Thus ?tamiz kezu mUvar? of mAmUlan2Ar and ?tamizk kizavar?mUvar? of > veLLaikkuTi nAkan2Ar refer to the same threeTamil dynasties. > mAmUlan2Ar sings about the famous fierce battle between the Chola king > KarikAlan2 and Chera king cEralAtan2 as something in the past in > akam 55. But > he talks about all three kings protecting the northern frontier of Tamil > region in the present. It looks as if Tamil confederacy continued > even after > there were some famous battles among the three kings. There are also > occasions -good and bad- when the three kings come together as in > puRam 367 when > auvaiyAr compares the three kings to three Vedic fires or when kapilar > advises them in puRam 110 against their siege of chieftain pAri?s > hill. In > puRam 58, kArikkaNNan2Ar praises the friendship of the Chola king > and Pandya > king as following the tradition of the ancient ones and wishes that > they > incise their symbols of tiger and carp together on the hills of > their enemies. > Earlier scholars like K. B. Pathak (Epigraphia Indica 9.205) have > translated 'trairAjya' in South Indian Sanskrit inscriptions and > literary texts as > "the confederacy of three kings". Pathak quotes a commentary of Adipurana > which explains trairAjya as meaning "Chola , Kerala and Pandya". > The fact > that the royal officials of Pandya, and Chola continued to be given > the > title mUvEntavELAn2 as late as 13th century CE (where the prefix mUvEnta- > refers to the three Tamil kings), almost a millennium after the three > kingdoms > ceased to have any semblance of a confederacy, indicates the vestigial > notions that must have been developed during the days of the confederacy. > Possibly after the Tamil country comes under the rule of Kalabhras, > iLaGkO, a Chera prince and the author of cilappatikAram, the famous > Tamil epic, > seems to look back nostalgically at the bygone era of Tamil > confederacy and > recreates it in the actions of ceGkuTTuvan2, the Chera king. In > patiRRuppattu, a Classical Tamil text dealing with the Chera > dynasty, no Chera king is > described as having incised all three Tamil emblems (carp, bow, and > tiger) > on the Himalayas. Only the bow was incised by a Chera king. iLaGko > incorporates the spirit of puRam 58 and makes ceGkuTTuvan2 incise > all three signs. > There are other features in the text which shows that iLaGkO > presents a > unified Tamil nation and ceGkuTTuvan2 as representing a Tamil ?confederacy.? > > Kamil Zvelebil calls cilappatikAram ?the first consciously national > work > of Tamil literature, the literary evidence of the fact that the > Tamils had > by that time attained nationhood.? Actually this view should be > revised to > state that it was the last outpouring of the longing for a nation of > Tamils > ruled in common by the three kings, which had ceased to exist much earlier. > Thereafter, the Pandyas and Cholas seem to have ruled as Pandyas and > Cholas and not as Tamils sharing a common Tamil realm (even though they > patronized Tamil (along with Sanskrit) and Velvikkudi plates praise > a post-Kalabhra > Pandya king as having incised the carp, tiger, and bow emblems on a > tall > mountain). Also, when periyapurANam 4169.1 composed by the minister > of > Kulottunga Chola II of 12th century CE mentions ?mUvEntar tamiz vazagku > nATTukku appAl? (?beyond the country where Tamil of the three kings > is prevalent? > ), we again seem to see a vestigial reference to the earlier confederacy > ruling over the common Tamil nation. > Regards, > S. Palaniappan From beitel at GWU.EDU Mon Sep 28 14:35:13 2009 From: beitel at GWU.EDU (Alfred Hiltebeitel) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 10:35:13 -0400 Subject: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087638.23782.4380426319240428537.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Sorry, sent inadvertently. Alf Hiltebeitel Professor of Religion and Human Sciences Department of Religion 2106 G Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20052 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfred Hiltebeitel Date: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:26 am Subject: Re: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Great, circles upon circles, all closing in. Thank god for the Kalabhras!!! > > Alf Hiltebeitel > Professor of Religion and Human Sciences > Department of Religion > 2106 G Street, NW > George Washington University > Washington DC 20052 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mahadevan, Thennilapuram" > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:34 pm > Subject: Re: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by Kharavela > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > > > > Hello Palaniappan: > > I just got back from India by was of Kyoto and World Sanskrit Conference. > > > > I find this article very interesting and stimulating. It has > helped > > me clarify the "mUvEndar" idea,in the Sangam period. Would you > place > > the CEras at Karur? > > > > Best, TP > > ________________________________________ > > From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Sudalaimuthu > > Palaniappan [Palaniappa at AOL.COM] > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:25 AM > > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > > Subject: Re: Corroboration for the Tamil Confederacy mentioned by > Kharavela > > > > Here are some further thoughts on akam 31. > > At a minimum, akam 31 firmly establishes that the Classical Tamil > poems > > like it are of the pre-Kalabhra and pre-Pallava period since that > > > region was > > never under the control of the three Tamil dynasties at the same > time > > during and after the Kalabhra period. mAmUlan2Ar did not seem to > > > have been > > patronized by the Pandyas. Of the 30 poems sung by him, only one > mentions > > Pandyas as a dynasty. It does not even mention a specific Pandya > > > king. If > > anything, mAmUlan2Ar was probably a resident of northern Tamil > Nadu > > based on the > > details he gives for various chieftains and areas of the northern > Tamil > > region as well as non-Tamil speaking people in the border regions. > > Also, as one looks at the textual and epigraphic data, the > existence > > of an > > earlier Tamil confederacy becomes more and more certain. Consider > for > > example the following Classical Tamil poem. > > potumai cuTTiya mUvar ulakamum > > potumai in2Ri ANTicin2Orkkum (puRam 357.2-3) > > ?Even for kings who ruled alone the land that was said to be > (ruled > > in) > > common by the three kings?? > > Another poem says > > taN tamiz potu en2a poRAan2 ... (puRam 51.5) > > ?He will not bear (to hear) the saying that the cool Tamil land > is ruled > > in common? > > The poems clearly point to an earlier view of the Tamil land > being shared > > by the three kings ?mUventar?. In other words, it was a land of three > > states (or tri-state) in one common Tamil nation. Even though > there > > were > > chieftains like atiyamAn2 and malaiyamAn2 in the northern > regions, > > the use of > > mUvar in association with rulers only referred to the three > lineages > > of > > Chera, Chola, and Pandya. This is also seen in the following > puRam > > lines sung > > by veLLaikkuTi nAkan2Ar in praise of Chola kiLLivaLavan2.. > > ?taN tamizk kizavar > > muracu muzagku tAn2ai mUvar uLLum > > aracu en2appaTuvatu nin2aE? (puRam 35.3-5) > > "of (the kingdoms of) the three owners of the cool Tamil land > with armies > > with resounding drums yours alone can be called a real kingdom." > > Thus ?tamiz kezu mUvar? of mAmUlan2Ar and ?tamizk kizavar?mUvar? > of > > veLLaikkuTi nAkan2Ar refer to the same threeTamil dynasties. > > mAmUlan2Ar sings about the famous fierce battle between the Chola > king > > KarikAlan2 and Chera king cEralAtan2 as something in the past in > > > akam 55. But > > he talks about all three kings protecting the northern frontier > of Tamil > > region in the present. It looks as if Tamil confederacy continued > > > even after > > there were some famous battles among the three kings. There are also > > occasions -good and bad- when the three kings come together as in > > > puRam 367 when > > auvaiyAr compares the three kings to three Vedic fires or when kapilar > > advises them in puRam 110 against their siege of chieftain pAri?s > > > hill. In > > puRam 58, kArikkaNNan2Ar praises the friendship of the Chola king > > > and Pandya > > king as following the tradition of the ancient ones and wishes > that > > they > > incise their symbols of tiger and carp together on the hills of > > their enemies. > > Earlier scholars like K. B. Pathak (Epigraphia Indica 9.205) have > > translated 'trairAjya' in South Indian Sanskrit inscriptions and > > > literary texts as > > "the confederacy of three kings". Pathak quotes a commentary of Adipurana > > which explains trairAjya as meaning "Chola , Kerala and Pandya". > > > The fact > > that the royal officials of Pandya, and Chola continued to be > given > > the > > title mUvEntavELAn2 as late as 13th century CE (where the prefix mUvEnta- > > refers to the three Tamil kings), almost a millennium after the > three > > kingdoms > > ceased to have any semblance of a confederacy, indicates the vestigial > > notions that must have been developed during the days of the confederacy. > > Possibly after the Tamil country comes under the rule of Kalabhras, > > iLaGkO, a Chera prince and the author of cilappatikAram, the > famous > > Tamil epic, > > seems to look back nostalgically at the bygone era of Tamil > > confederacy and > > recreates it in the actions of ceGkuTTuvan2, the Chera king. In > > patiRRuppattu, a Classical Tamil text dealing with the Chera > > dynasty, no Chera king is > > described as having incised all three Tamil emblems (carp, bow, > and > > tiger) > > on the Himalayas. Only the bow was incised by a Chera king. iLaGko > > incorporates the spirit of puRam 58 and makes ceGkuTTuvan2 incise > > > all three signs. > > There are other features in the text which shows that iLaGkO > > presents a > > unified Tamil nation and ceGkuTTuvan2 as representing a Tamil ?confederacy.? > > > > Kamil Zvelebil calls cilappatikAram ?the first consciously > national > > work > > of Tamil literature, the literary evidence of the fact that the > > Tamils had > > by that time attained nationhood.? Actually this view should be > > revised to > > state that it was the last outpouring of the longing for a nation > of > > Tamils > > ruled in common by the three kings, which had ceased to exist > much earlier. > > Thereafter, the Pandyas and Cholas seem to have ruled as Pandyas > and > > Cholas and not as Tamils sharing a common Tamil realm (even > though they > > patronized Tamil (along with Sanskrit) and Velvikkudi plates > praise > > a post-Kalabhra > > Pandya king as having incised the carp, tiger, and bow emblems on > a > > tall > > mountain). Also, when periyapurANam 4169.1 composed by the > minister > > of > > Kulottunga Chola II of 12th century CE mentions ?mUvEntar tamiz > vazagku > > nATTukku appAl? (?beyond the country where Tamil of the three > kings > > is prevalent? > > ), we again seem to see a vestigial reference to the earlier confederacy > > ruling over the common Tamil nation. > > Regards, > > S. Palaniappan From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Sep 28 19:24:57 2009 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 12:24:57 -0700 Subject: Need references for descriptions of Buddhist nuns in literature Message-ID: <161227087644.23782.5116231832645003415.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, I'm looking for any descriptions of Buddhist nuns in any earliest Buddhist literature. Specifically, I'm interested in understanding whether our literature reflected reality, and if so to what extent. In literature -- How are the Buddhist nuns described? In reality -- How were they officiated? What did they wear? Did they wear any jewelry to adorn themselves? Did they shave their head? What did they eat? Where did they live? Did they maintain their ties with their kin? What did they do on a daily basis -- did they go around and preach, and if so what did they do and preach?, ... , so on and so forth. I would appreciate any informative posting on this list. Please also feel free to contact me directly at: . Thanks and regards, Rajam From rajam at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Sep 28 19:54:56 2009 From: rajam at EARTHLINK.NET (rajam) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 12:54:56 -0700 Subject: Need references for descriptions of Buddhist nuns in literature In-Reply-To: <001201ca4074$d7df9aa0$2101a8c0@Dan> Message-ID: <161227087650.23782.5602032465281300220.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thank you Dan! I'll look into these studies. Regards, Rajam On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Dan Lusthaus wrote: > Rajam, > > If you want to research that thoroughly, you will find a wealth of > material in the Pali Tipitaka, esp, the Vinaya and Nikayas. Women > did preach, DhammadinnA being the most prominent (e.g., Majjhima > NikAya 24). As for what they wore, daily activities, the vinaya is > filled with rules and descriptions of that; there are more rules > for nuns than for more monks. > > Aside from working through the Vinaya yourself (which I recommend), > see also: > > Chatsumarn Kabilsingh, _A Comparative Study of BhikkhunI > pATimokkha_ Varnasi and Delhi: Chaukhambha Orientalia, 1994. > > _Women in the Footsteps of the Buddha: Struggle for Liberation in > the Therigatha_ by Kathryn R. Blackstone. Motilal Banarsidass; 1st > Indian ed edition (2000). > > Others can provide additional reading. > > Dan Lusthaus > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I'm looking for any descriptions of Buddhist nuns in any earliest >> Buddhist literature. > >> Rajam From jkirk at SPRO.NET Mon Sep 28 20:11:11 2009 From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (JKirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 14:11:11 -0600 Subject: Need references for descriptions of Buddhist nuns in literature In-Reply-To: <001201ca4074$d7df9aa0$2101a8c0@Dan> Message-ID: <161227087653.23782.14804378099070924768.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> You might also check the Therigatha online here: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/thig/index.html J. Kirkpatrick From vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Sep 28 19:49:51 2009 From: vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 15:49:51 -0400 Subject: Need references for descriptions of Buddhist nuns in literature Message-ID: <161227087647.23782.3416292427402462763.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Rajam, If you want to research that thoroughly, you will find a wealth of material in the Pali Tipitaka, esp, the Vinaya and Nikayas. Women did preach, DhammadinnA being the most prominent (e.g., Majjhima NikAya 24). As for what they wore, daily activities, the vinaya is filled with rules and descriptions of that; there are more rules for nuns than for more monks. Aside from working through the Vinaya yourself (which I recommend), see also: Chatsumarn Kabilsingh, _A Comparative Study of BhikkhunI pATimokkha_ Varnasi and Delhi: Chaukhambha Orientalia, 1994. _Women in the Footsteps of the Buddha: Struggle for Liberation in the Therigatha_ by Kathryn R. Blackstone. Motilal Banarsidass; 1st Indian ed edition (2000). Others can provide additional reading. Dan Lusthaus ----- Original Message ----- > I'm looking for any descriptions of Buddhist nuns in any earliest > Buddhist literature. > Rajam > From joseph.walser at TUFTS.EDU Mon Sep 28 20:28:15 2009 From: joseph.walser at TUFTS.EDU (Joseph Walser) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 16:28:15 -0400 Subject: Need references for descriptions of Buddhist nuns in literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087656.23782.15715813423920142981.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Rajam, You may also want to look at: Rules for Nuns According to the Dharmaguptakavinaya: The Discipline in Four Parts (3 Book Set from Motilal Banarsidass) by Ann Heirman . -j rajam wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm looking for any descriptions of Buddhist nuns in any earliest > Buddhist literature. > > Specifically, I'm interested in understanding whether our literature > reflected reality, and if so to what extent. > > In literature -- How are the Buddhist nuns described? > > In reality -- How were they officiated? What did they wear? Did they > wear any jewelry to adorn themselves? Did they shave their head? What > did they eat? Where did they live? Did they maintain their ties with > their kin? What did they do on a daily basis -- did they go around and > preach, and if so what did they do and preach?, ... , so on and so forth. > > I would appreciate any informative posting on this list. Please also > feel free to contact me directly at: . > > Thanks and regards, > Rajam -- Joseph Walser Associate Professor Department of Religion Tufts University 126 Curtis Street Medford, MA 02155 Office: 617 627-2322 From e.ciurtin at GMAIL.COM Mon Sep 28 17:58:02 2009 From: e.ciurtin at GMAIL.COM (Eugen Ciurtin) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 09 20:58:02 +0300 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227087641.23782.6562515202838107306.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Members, Does anybody have a recent email contact of Dr Guillaume Ducoeur (Universit? de Strasbourg). An offlist reply will be highly appreciated. thank you EC -- Dr E. Ciurtin Secretary of the Romanian Association for the History of Religions www.rahr.ro Publications Officer of the European Association for the Study of Religions www.easr.eu Lecturer & Secretary of the Scientific Council Institute for the History of Religions, Romanian Academy Calea 13 Septembrie no. 13 sect. 5, Bucharest 050711 Phone: 00 40 733 951 953 www.ihr-acad.ro From tcoleman at COLORADOCOLLEGE.EDU Wed Sep 30 14:30:01 2009 From: tcoleman at COLORADOCOLLEGE.EDU (Tracy Coleman) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 09 08:30:01 -0600 Subject: Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism, volume 1 Message-ID: <161227087662.23782.1216522611779237127.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> What is the publication schedule for the entire set? -----Original Message----- From: Indology on behalf of Ute Huesken Sent: Wed 9/30/2009 7:20 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism, volume 1 Dear list members, Professor Knut A. Jacobsen asked me to forward the following message to the list: Greetings All, The first volume of the five volume Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism has now been published. See http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=210&pid=27775 for price and ordering information and the home page of the Encyclopedia http://www.brill.nl/encyclopediahinduism for table of contents, list of contributors, etc. Please recommend it to your library. Yours, Knut A. Jacobsen Editor-in-Chief, Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism Prof. Dr. Knut A. Jacobsen AHKR, History of Religions University of Bergen P.O. 7805? 5020 Bergen Norway Phone: 47 91133020 Knut.Jacobsen at ahkr.uib.no http://www.hf.uib.no/i/religion/tilsette/jacobsen2.html From ute.huesken at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Wed Sep 30 13:20:16 2009 From: ute.huesken at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Ute Huesken) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 09 15:20:16 +0200 Subject: Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism, volume 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227087659.23782.12101231081380806044.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list members, Professor Knut A. Jacobsen asked me to forward the following message to the list: Greetings All, The first volume of the five volume Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism has now been published. See http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=210&pid=27775 for price and ordering information and the home page of the Encyclopedia http://www.brill.nl/encyclopediahinduism for table of contents, list of contributors, etc. Please recommend it to your library. Yours, Knut A. Jacobsen Editor-in-Chief, Brill?s Encyclopedia of Hinduism Prof. Dr. Knut A. Jacobsen AHKR, History of Religions University of Bergen P.O. 7805? 5020 Bergen Norway Phone: 47 91133020 Knut.Jacobsen at ahkr.uib.no http://www.hf.uib.no/i/religion/tilsette/jacobsen2.html