From olivia2002 at CIUDAD.COM.AR  Sat Mar  1 10:12:42 2008
From: olivia2002 at CIUDAD.COM.AR (Olivia Cattedra)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 08 11:12:42 +0100
Subject: n=?iso-8859-15?Q?=E2ciketop=E2khy=E2na?=
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Thank all of you very much. I know about the KUp., but in an article of De Vries I came across that there were four versions of Naciketa story, including the change from Naciketa to N?ciketa, and that the last one of this version is developed by the n?ciketop?khy?na of the 5th century AD, which afterwards become melted with other legends and bcame the basis of a wide tradition of fairy tales in eEurope; so I was looking for this source in particular. In another art. I read that this particular version was included in the Brahma Purana, so I would like to check this.  Thank all of you you very much, greetings!!!!!!!!!



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Puranic Encyclopedia of Vettam Mani would be useful in this concern. The famous Kathopanisad contains the story as well.

Thank you

Dr. Nibedita Rout,
EFEO, Pondicherry
India




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Subject: n?ciketop?khy?na

Dear colleagues

I would apreciate some information on this text: n?ciketop?khy?na; 
thank you very much, greetings
Dr Olivia Cattedra
CONICET - FASTA
Argentina
ocattedra at yahoo.com.ar


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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 08 18:27:03 -0500
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From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU  Tue Mar  4 02:38:17 2008
From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 08 18:38:17 -0800
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
Message-ID: <161227082169.23782.9701896147655058261.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in  
Tamil Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be  
conclusively dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  
at this early date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  
confined to a small elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  
to men who died in cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  
several times in Sangam literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  
there are no Prakrit or Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  
extensive trade and connections with North India during this period,  
and it is not surprising that the Brahmi writing system made its way  
down the coast (probably through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  
Nadu in about the the 3rd century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  
to the first two or three centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  
historical, paleographic (inscriptions found with the name of the  
Sangam king Atiyamaan), etc.  It makes perfect sense that this great  
literature was written about 3 centuries after writing was adopted and  
literacy became fairly widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  
5 centuries earlier.

The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History,  
Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in  
International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan. 2007,  
pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man  
and Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)




From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Tue Mar  4 02:49:30 2008
From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 08 18:49:30 -0800
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
Message-ID: <161227082172.23782.14736007836624251473.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in Tamil 
seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil Epigraphy 
(2003), pp. 160-1.

Richard Salomon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu


> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in  Tamil 
> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be  conclusively 
> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this early 
> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a small 
> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who died in 
> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in Sangam 
> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or 
> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and 
> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not surprising 
> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast (probably 
> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the 3rd 
> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or three 
> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical, paleographic 
> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan), etc.  It 
> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3 
> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly 
> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries earlier.
>
> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History, 
> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in 
> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan. 2007, 
> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man  and 
> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
> 




From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU  Tue Mar  4 15:10:06 2008
From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 07:10:06 -0800
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
In-Reply-To: <457E38B03A725942BAB9DFCE581163A31EB81B@VUWVXC01.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227082182.23782.14954504250083450202.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I find this baffling.  1. The order of the words is quite normal --  
kal (stone) is the subject, akol is the predicate nominative.  There  
is nothing strange at all about the order of the words.  I have been  
reading Sangam Tamil intensively, and see nothing at all anomalous  
about this.  2. The poems and the inscriptions indicate that these  
stones were raised to men fallen in a cattle raid.  Obviously, someone  
in this environment knew how to read and write -- is it such a stretch  
to suppose the stone mason could actually read what he was writing?   
The writing system is quite simple and quite logical.  And if writing  
was used by people who lived in marginal areas in the 2nd century BCE,  
it must have been used more widely 3 centuries later (the time of  
Sangam literature).  Are we to suppose that no one could read or  
write, and these illiterate people were engraving stones, somehow  
intuiting how to write the name of the fallen hero, just copying "a  
string of images"?

On Mar 4, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Tieken, H.J.H. wrote:

> Dear Richard,
> Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu should  
> be
> treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
> Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
> pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
> interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor  
> write.
> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the  
> letters
> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for  
> one,
> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and that
> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
> question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
> connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any  
> case,
> his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually, it
> seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan antavan,
> personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
> cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man called
> tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that  
> happened
> at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
> Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does  
> testify
> to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
> voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
> Kind regards
> Herman Tieken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
> Salomon
> Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>
> Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in  
> Tamil
> seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
> Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.
>
> Richard Salomon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
> Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>
>
>> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
> Tamil
>> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
> conclusively
>> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this
> early
>> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a
> small
>> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who died  
>> in
>
>> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in
> Sangam
>> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or
>> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and
>> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not
> surprising
>> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast (probably
>> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the 3rd
>> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or  
>> three
>
>> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical,  
>> paleographic
>
>> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan),  
>> etc.
> It
>> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3
>> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly
>> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries earlier.
>>
>> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History,
>> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in
>> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan.  
>> 2007,
>
>> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man
> and
>> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
>>




From rsriramachandran at YAHOO.COM  Tue Mar  4 16:37:28 2008
From: rsriramachandran at YAHOO.COM (Ravindran Sriramachhandran)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 08:37:28 -0800
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
In-Reply-To: <457E38B03A725942BAB9DFCE581163A31EB81B@VUWVXC01.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227082184.23782.17381092765603876816.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

dear prof. tieken
  i am not sure why the word order is irregular? would it be possible to explain. it seems quite normal to me, and so is the conclusion on cattle raids as almost all sangam literature points to it and if this from 2nd centurey BCE (and sangam literature from 2nd century CE) it seems reasonable to conclude that literacy wasnt all that rare. or am i wrong?
  regards
  ravi

"Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL> wrote:
  Dear Richard,
Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu should be
treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor write.
He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the letters
of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for one,
am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and that
literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any case,
his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually, it
seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan antavan,
personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man called
tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that happened
at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does testify
to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
Kind regards
Herman Tieken

-----Original Message-----
From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
Salomon
Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu

Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in Tamil
seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.

Richard Salomon

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Hart" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu


> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
Tamil 
> Nadu. The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
conclusively 
> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE. They show that even at this
early 
> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not confined to a
small 
> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected to men who died in

> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned several times in
Sangam 
> literature). The language is pure Tamil; there are no Prakrit or 
> Sanskrit words. Archeological evidence shows extensive trade and 
> connections with North India during this period, and it is not
surprising 
> that the Brahmi writing system made its way down the coast (probably 
> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil Nadu in about the the 3rd 
> century BCE. The Sangam poems can be dated to the first two or three

> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic, historical, paleographic

> (inscriptions found with the name of the Sangam king Atiyamaan), etc.
It 
> makes perfect sense that this great literature was written about 3 
> centuries after writing was adopted and literacy became fairly 
> widespread. A similar thing happened in Greek 5 centuries earlier.
>
> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History, 
> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in 
> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan. 2007,

> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man
and 
> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
> 


       
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From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU  Tue Mar  4 17:50:38 2008
From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 09:50:38 -0800
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
In-Reply-To: <20080304224818.at92ki1nccw4kwow@webmail.asianetindia.com>
Message-ID: <161227082190.23782.14152766671753861624.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Would someone explain how this illiterate person knew how to write the  
name of the dead hero?  There are many Tamils, Hindi speakers, English  
speakers who habitually misspell words.  Shakespeare is supposed to  
have spelled his own name many ways.  I don't think he was illiterate.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Maheswaran Nair wrote:

> Hello,
> I agree with Herman Tieken.
>> It would follow that the scibe who was
>> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor  
>> write.
>> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the  
>> letters
>> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for  
>> one,
>> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
>> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and  
>> that
>> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population.
> True. A present evidence to testify:Today, if you travel from north  
> to south through NH 47 of India you can see in the boards on the  
> roadside the name of the place Kanyakumari written as Knyakrmari in  
> Devanagari. The person who wrote it is a painter who is not capable  
> of taking into account such mistakes.
> Regards
> K.Maheswaran Nair
> University of Kerala
> India
>
>
> Quoting "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>:
>
>> Dear Richard,
>> Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu  
>> should be
>> treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
>> Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
>> pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
>> interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
>> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor  
>> write.
>> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the  
>> letters
>> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for  
>> one,
>> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
>> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and  
>> that
>> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
>> question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
>> connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any  
>> case,
>> his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually, it
>> seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan  
>> antavan,
>> personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
>> cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man called
>> tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that  
>> happened
>> at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
>> Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does  
>> testify
>> to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
>> voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
>> Kind regards
>> Herman Tieken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
>> Salomon
>> Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>>
>> Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in  
>> Tamil
>> seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
>> Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.
>>
>> Richard Salomon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
>> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>>
>>
>>> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
>> Tamil
>>> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
>> conclusively
>>> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this
>> early
>>> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a
>> small
>>> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who  
>>> died in
>>
>>> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in
>> Sangam
>>> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or
>>> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and
>>> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not
>> surprising
>>> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast  
>>> (probably
>>> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the 3rd
>>> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or  
>>> three
>>
>>> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical,  
>>> paleographic
>>
>>> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan),  
>>> etc.
>> It
>>> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3
>>> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly
>>> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries earlier.
>>>
>>> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History,
>>> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in
>>> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan.  
>>> 2007,
>>
>>> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man
>> and
>>> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
>>>
>>




From lmfosse at GETMAIL.NO  Tue Mar  4 09:40:42 2008
From: lmfosse at GETMAIL.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 10:40:42 +0100
Subject: Lexical problem
Message-ID: <161227082174.23782.8408920019711317557.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear members of the list:

I am looking for an English translation of the word agnimantha, which in
Latin is "premna spinosa". Does anyone have an English word for this?

Best regards,

Lars Martin Fosse


From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail: lmfosse at getmail.no
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164 




From H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Tue Mar  4 09:46:37 2008
From: H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 10:46:37 +0100
Subject: Lexical problem
Message-ID: <161227082176.23782.10501843708123438913.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

For what it is worth: migraine tree
 
Regards, Herman Tieken

________________________________

From: Indology on behalf of Lars Martin Fosse
Sent: Tue 3/4/2008 10:40 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Lexical problem



Dear members of the list:

I am looking for an English translation of the word agnimantha, which in
Latin is "premna spinosa". Does anyone have an English word for this?

Best regards,

Lars Martin Fosse


From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail: lmfosse at getmail.no
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164




From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU  Tue Mar  4 19:14:49 2008
From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 11:14:49 -0800
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
In-Reply-To: <457E38B03A725942BAB9DFCE581163A3843A65@VUWVXC01.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227082196.23782.14601095112642864086.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Fair enough -- I agree I need to read the review before saying any  
more.  Still, I find it amazing that marginal people such as cattle  
rustlers (to use an Americanism) would have access to writing in any  
way at such an early date, whether the masons were literate or not.  I  
also appreciate your comment about the voiced/unvoiced letters.   
Whoever first adapted the Brahmi alphabet for Tamil had quite  
impressive linguistic insight and realized that two sounds (e.g. t and  
d) that are different in Sanskrit must be written the same in Tamil  
(tt is pronounced tt, while VtCV is has a voiced dental).  In Tamil,  
these are allophones.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Tieken, H.J.H. wrote:

> Dear Professor Hart,
> 1) I think we do well to maintain a distinction between the scribe  
> who composed the text and the stone mason who inscribed the text on  
> the stone.
> 2) If I understand you correctly, you read the inscriptions as  
> follows: "the/this stone is/represents the stealing of cattle  
> by ...". As far as I see it this is something else than "this stone  
> is erected to commemorate the stealing of cattle by ..." But if you  
> say this is a normal sentence in Cankam Tamil literature, then I  
> suppose it is.
> 3) Why don't you read my review first, before reacting.
> With kind regards
> Herman Tieken
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Indology on behalf of George Hart
> Sent: Tue 3/4/2008 6:50 PM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>
>
>
> Would someone explain how this illiterate person knew how to write the
> name of the dead hero?  There are many Tamils, Hindi speakers, English
> speakers who habitually misspell words.  Shakespeare is supposed to
> have spelled his own name many ways.  I don't think he was illiterate.
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Maheswaran Nair wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I agree with Herman Tieken.
>>> It would follow that the scibe who was
>>> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor
>>> write.
>>> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the
>>> letters
>>> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for
>>> one,
>>> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
>>> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and
>>> that
>>> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population.
>> True. A present evidence to testify:Today, if you travel from north
>> to south through NH 47 of India you can see in the boards on the
>> roadside the name of the place Kanyakumari written as Knyakrmari in
>> Devanagari. The person who wrote it is a painter who is not capable
>> of taking into account such mistakes.
>> Regards
>> K.Maheswaran Nair
>> University of Kerala
>> India
>>
>>
>> Quoting "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>:
>>
>>> Dear Richard,
>>> Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu
>>> should be
>>> treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
>>> Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
>>> pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
>>> interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
>>> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor
>>> write.
>>> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the
>>> letters
>>> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for
>>> one,
>>> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
>>> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and
>>> that
>>> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
>>> question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
>>> connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any
>>> case,
>>> his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually,  
>>> it
>>> seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan
>>> antavan,
>>> personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
>>> cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man  
>>> called
>>> tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that
>>> happened
>>> at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
>>> Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does
>>> testify
>>> to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
>>> voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Herman Tieken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of  
>>> Richard
>>> Salomon
>>> Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>> Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>>>
>>> Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in
>>> Tamil
>>> seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
>>> Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.
>>>
>>> Richard Salomon
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
>>> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>>>
>>>
>>>> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
>>> Tamil
>>>> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
>>> conclusively
>>>> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this
>>> early
>>>> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a
>>> small
>>>> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who
>>>> died in
>>>
>>>> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in
>>> Sangam
>>>> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or
>>>> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and
>>>> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not
>>> surprising
>>>> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast
>>>> (probably
>>>> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the  
>>>> 3rd
>>>> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or
>>>> three
>>>
>>>> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical,
>>>> paleographic
>>>
>>>> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan),
>>>> etc.
>>> It
>>>> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3
>>>> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly
>>>> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries  
>>>> earlier.
>>>>
>>>> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History,
>>>> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in
>>>> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan.
>>>> 2007,
>>>
>>>> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in  
>>>> Man
>>> and
>>>> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
>>>>
>>>




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Tue Mar  4 18:10:08 2008
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 12:10:08 -0600
Subject: Lexical problem
In-Reply-To: <004e01c87ddb$d017ce30$69dad054@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227082192.23782.8731181406668185365.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

http://www.ubio.org/browser/details.php?namebankID=8459485

Ubio.org is very helpful on this kind of thing.

And botanicus.org gives references to early botanical literature, 
including digital images of the pages on which the plants are mentioned. 
In the case of premna spinosa, two references are given.

But these sources don't give ordinary English names.

Dominik


On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Lars Martin Fosse wrote:

> Dear members of the list:
>
> I am looking for an English translation of the word agnimantha, which in
> Latin is "premna spinosa". Does anyone have an English word for this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lars Martin Fosse
>
>
> From:
> Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
> Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
> 0674 Oslo - Norway
> Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
> Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
> E-mail: lmfosse at getmail.no
> http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164
>




From H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Tue Mar  4 11:42:28 2008
From: H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 12:42:28 +0100
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
In-Reply-To: <01b301c87da2$5ea00b20$cf565f80@allrsdelld8200>
Message-ID: <161227082179.23782.18388295979601009611.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Richard,
Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu should be
treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor write.
He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the letters
of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for one,
am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and that
literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any case,
his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually, it
seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan antavan,
personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man called
tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that happened
at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does testify
to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
Kind regards
Herman Tieken

-----Original Message-----
From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
Salomon
Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu

Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in Tamil
seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.

Richard Salomon

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu


> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
Tamil 
> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
conclusively 
> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this
early 
> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a
small 
> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who died in

> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in
Sangam 
> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or 
> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and 
> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not
surprising 
> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast (probably 
> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the 3rd 
> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or three

> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical, paleographic

> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan), etc.
It 
> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3 
> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly 
> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries earlier.
>
> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History, 
> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in 
> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan. 2007,

> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man
and 
> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
> 




From H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Tue Mar  4 18:11:42 2008
From: H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 19:11:42 +0100
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
Message-ID: <161227082194.23782.15637314421820885629.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Professor Hart,
1) I think we do well to maintain a distinction between the scribe who composed the text and the stone mason who inscribed the text on the stone.
2) If I understand you correctly, you read the inscriptions as follows: "the/this stone is/represents the stealing of cattle by ...". As far as I see it this is something else than "this stone is erected to commemorate the stealing of cattle by ..." But if you say this is a normal sentence in Cankam Tamil literature, then I suppose it is.
3) Why don't you read my review first, before reacting.
With kind regards
Herman Tieken
 

________________________________

From: Indology on behalf of George Hart
Sent: Tue 3/4/2008 6:50 PM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu



Would someone explain how this illiterate person knew how to write the 
name of the dead hero?  There are many Tamils, Hindi speakers, English 
speakers who habitually misspell words.  Shakespeare is supposed to 
have spelled his own name many ways.  I don't think he was illiterate.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Maheswaran Nair wrote:

> Hello,
> I agree with Herman Tieken.
>> It would follow that the scibe who was
>> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor 
>> write.
>> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the 
>> letters
>> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for 
>> one,
>> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
>> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and 
>> that
>> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population.
> True. A present evidence to testify:Today, if you travel from north 
> to south through NH 47 of India you can see in the boards on the 
> roadside the name of the place Kanyakumari written as Knyakrmari in 
> Devanagari. The person who wrote it is a painter who is not capable 
> of taking into account such mistakes.
> Regards
> K.Maheswaran Nair
> University of Kerala
> India
>
>
> Quoting "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>:
>
>> Dear Richard,
>> Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu 
>> should be
>> treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
>> Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
>> pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
>> interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
>> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor 
>> write.
>> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the 
>> letters
>> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for 
>> one,
>> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
>> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and 
>> that
>> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
>> question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
>> connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any 
>> case,
>> his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually, it
>> seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan 
>> antavan,
>> personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
>> cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man called
>> tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that 
>> happened
>> at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
>> Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does 
>> testify
>> to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
>> voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
>> Kind regards
>> Herman Tieken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
>> Salomon
>> Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>>
>> Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in 
>> Tamil
>> seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
>> Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.
>>
>> Richard Salomon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
>> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>>
>>
>>> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
>> Tamil
>>> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
>> conclusively
>>> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this
>> early
>>> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a
>> small
>>> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who 
>>> died in
>>
>>> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in
>> Sangam
>>> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or
>>> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and
>>> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not
>> surprising
>>> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast 
>>> (probably
>>> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the 3rd
>>> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or 
>>> three
>>
>>> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical, 
>>> paleographic
>>
>>> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan), 
>>> etc.
>> It
>>> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3
>>> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly
>>> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries earlier.
>>>
>>> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History,
>>> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in
>>> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan. 
>>> 2007,
>>
>>> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man
>> and
>>> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
>>>
>>




From lmfosse at GETMAIL.NO  Tue Mar  4 20:01:08 2008
From: lmfosse at GETMAIL.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 21:01:08 +0100
Subject: Lexical problem
Message-ID: <161227082199.23782.3056439765362617338.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I would like to thank those of you who helped me with this botanical
problem. 

It would seem that reclassification is part of the problem. Here is a
summary of the relevant information:

According to the Pandanus database, agnimantha is the equivalent of premna
obtusifolia, also known as premna serratifolia. This tree/shrub was formerly
known as premna spinosa and is mentioned as such by Monier-Williams. The
tree/shrub should in principle belong to the Verbena family, but according
to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamiaceae

several members of this family have recently been reclassified as members of
the Lamiaceae, which may explain why the premna is classified under both
family names. Furthermore, several members of both families have medicinal
properties. 

Australian toothed premnas are used as firesticks by aboriginals, and the
Indian premna may well have been used in the same capacity. This web site
shows pictures of the obtusifolia:

http://www.comfsm.fm/~dleeling/angio/premna_obtusifolia.html

As seen, this is now classified as a Lamiacea, whereas it used to be
classified as a Verbenacea. Klaus Mylius gives agnimantha as clerodendron
phlomoides, which in Skt. is maruvaka/marubaka. This is a small tree with
aromatic leaves. The following web site gives support for such an
identification:

http://www.frlht.org.in/meta/index.php?plantid=584&calledFrom=VIEW_ALL_SPECI
ES&sortBy=A&gPAGE_NO=41&gLOWER_LIMIT=800

It would, however, seem that Mylius' identification is wrong, although the
clerodendron belongs to the Verbena family. 

Wendy Doniger translates it as "glory-tree", which puts it in a different
plant family altogether, the Melastome family. 

In the Kamasutra, seeds of agnimantha should be collected by the mistress of
the house together with other seeds. 

It would seem that the premna serratifolia/obtusifolia fits both the herbal
and physical properties best. The Skt. name would indicate that the
tree/shrub was used to provide firesticks, just as the Australian toothed
premnas. At the same time, the premna has medicinal qualities, which would
make it meaningful to collect its seeds. (Presumably, one did not collect
seeds to grow firesticks). 

Best regards,

Lars Martin


From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail: lmfosse at getmail.no
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164 




From swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM  Tue Mar  4 17:18:18 2008
From: swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM (Maheswaran Nair)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 08 22:48:18 +0530
Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
In-Reply-To: <457E38B03A725942BAB9DFCE581163A31EB81B@VUWVXC01.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227082187.23782.6751957957164668110.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hello,
I agree with Herman Tieken.
> It would follow that the scibe who was
> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor write.
> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the letters
> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for one,
> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and that
> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population.
True. A present evidence to testify:Today, if you travel from north to  
south through NH 47 of India you can see in the boards on the roadside  
the name of the place Kanyakumari written as Knyakrmari in Devanagari.  
The person who wrote it is a painter who is not capable of taking into  
account such mistakes.
Regards
K.Maheswaran Nair
University of Kerala
India


Quoting "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>:

> Dear Richard,
> Mahadevan's conclusions regarding literacy in early Tamilnadu should be
> treated carefully. See my review of Mahadevan's edition of the Tamil
> Brahmi inscriptions, which has appeared in ZDMG 157/2 (2007),
> pp.507-511. In it I discuss, among other inscriptions, no. 54. If my
> interpretation is correct, it would follow that the scibe who was
> responsible for engraving the text could himself neither read nor write.
> He was a stone mason, whose job consisted mainly in copying the letters
> of his examplar, which for him was just a string of images. I, for one,
> am unable to follow Mahadevan where he argues that the inscriptions
> testify to the widespread literacy in Tamilnadu at the period and that
> literacy had spread to all strata (sic) of the population. The same
> question, namely if the stone mason could read or write, arises in
> connection with one of the inscriptions discussed by Rajan. In any case,
> his inscription no. 1 shows a highly curious word order. Actually, it
> seems to consist of three parts: 1. kal "stone", 2. petutiyan antavan,
> personal name, 3. kutal ur a kol, "of kutal ur" and "stealing of
> cattle". Rajan translates: "This hero stone is raised to a man called
> tiyan antavan of petu village who died in the cattle raid that happened
> at kudal ur", ignoring the irregular word order.
> Apart from all this, the use of the northern Brahmi script does testify
> to an amazingly sharp observation of Tamil phonology, in which the
> voiceless and voiced plosives are allophones.
> Kind regards
> Herman Tieken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
> Salomon
> Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 3:50
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>
> Interesting discovery. George Hart's comments on early literacy in Tamil
> seem to accord well with those of I. Mahadevan in his Early Tamil
> Epigraphy (2003), pp. 160-1.
>
> Richard Salomon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Hart" <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
> To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:38 PM
> Subject: Early Inscribed Hero Stones in Tamil Nadu
>
>
>> Recently, 4 inscribed hero stones (naTu kal) have been unearthed in
> Tamil
>> Nadu.  The writing on them, in Tamil Brahmi script, can be
> conclusively
>> dated to the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.  They show that even  at this
> early
>> date, literacy was common in Tamil Nadu and was not  confined to a
> small
>> elite group -- hero stones were most often erected  to men who died in
>
>> cattle raids (such inscribed stones are mentioned  several times in
> Sangam
>> literature).  The language is pure Tamil;  there are no Prakrit or
>> Sanskrit words.  Archeological evidence shows  extensive trade and
>> connections with North India during this period,  and it is not
> surprising
>> that the Brahmi writing system made its way  down the coast (probably
>> through traders) and was adopted in Tamil  Nadu in about the the 3rd
>> century BCE.  The Sangam poems can be dated  to the first two or three
>
>> centuries CE on much evidence -- linguistic,  historical, paleographic
>
>> (inscriptions found with the name of the  Sangam king Atiyamaan), etc.
> It
>> makes perfect sense that this great  literature was written about 3
>> centuries after writing was adopted and  literacy became fairly
>> widespread.  A similar thing happened in Greek  5 centuries earlier.
>>
>> The finds have been written up by Prof. K. Rajan, Dept. of History,
>> Pondicherry University: "The Earliest hero Stones of India" in
>> International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics (vol.36 no.1 Jan. 2007,
>
>> pp.51-57) and "Thathappatti:Tamil-Brahmi Inscribed Hero Stone in Man
> and
>> Environment" (vol.32, no.1, 2007, pp.39-45.)
>>
>




From pf at CIX.CO.UK  Wed Mar  5 11:13:00 2008
From: pf at CIX.CO.UK (Peter Flugel)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 08 11:13:00 +0000
Subject: JAINA ART & ARCHITECTURE (10th JAINA STUDIES WORKSHOP AT SOAS,              6-7.3.2008)
Message-ID: <161227082202.23782.4358110834717230618.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

JAINA ART & ARCHITECTURE 
(10th JAINA STUDIES WORKSHOP AT SOAS, 6-7.3.2008)

Thursday 6.3.2008, 18.00-19.30, Brunei Gallery Lecture Theatre 
School of Oriental and African Studies, Russell Square

The Annual Jain Lecture (followed by a reception) 

Maruti Nandan P. Tiwari (BHU)
		
New Approach to the Study of Jaina Art and Architecture


Workshop

Friday 7.3.2008, SOAS, Russell Square, Brunei Gallery Lecture Theatre

9.00	Welcome
				
9.05	Christine Chojnacki		
Eulogy and Ritual in Jaina Medieval Literature

9.35	Robert del Bonta		
>???From Narrative to Icon: The Bahubali Image at Sravana Belgola

10.05 	Nalini Balbir			
The Vijnaptipatras: Texts and Representations

10.35	Avadhanula V.K. Babu
Jaina Stupa at Vaddamanu, Andrah Pradesh

11.05	Tea & Coffee		
			
11.35	Peter Fl?gel			
Jain Sacred Places: Sammeta Sikhara

12.05 	Gerd Mevissen 		
North Bengal (Ancient Varendra): An Innovative Sub-Centre of Jaina
Sculptural Art

12.35 	Max Deeg 			
Indian Influence on Mani Reconsidered: The Case of Jainism
			
13.05	Lunch		
			
14.05 	Alvappillai Veluppillai	
South Indian Jainism: The Role of Religious Polemics in Tamil 

14.35 	Christoph Emmrich 
The Man Who Fell from the Gopuram: Picking up Pieces in Kanchi

15.05   R. Uma Maheshwari 
Sites of Identity: The Village and the Community in Tamil Jaina Stories

15.35 	John Henry Rice		
Orienting Jaina Polity: Temple Building in Vijayanagara-Period Kanara
		
16.05	Tea & Coffee

16.35   Olle Qvarnstr?m & Niels Hammer		
The Jain Cave Paintings at Ellora

17.05 	Lisa Nadine Owen		
Demarcating Sacred Space: The Jina Images at Kalugumalai

17.35	Janice Leoshko		
Defining Jain Elements at Udayagiri-Khandagiri, Orissa

18.05	Prakash Shah			
Jain Temple Art and Ritual in the Diaspora: The Derasar at Potters Bar 

18.35	Final Remarks		

All Welcome!

Organisers: Peter Fl?gel (SOAS), Olle Qvarnstr?m (Lund University) and
Nicholas Barnard (V&A)

The conference is co-organised and co-sponsored by the Centre of Jaina
Studies at SOAS, the Centre for Theology and Religious Studies at the
University of Lund (http://www.sasnet.lu.se/indrellund.html) and the
Victoria and Albert Museum in London http://www.vam.ac.uk).

Contact: Centre of Jaina Studies, Department for the Study of Religions,
Faculty of Arts and Humanities, SOAS, Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square,
London WC1H OXG, Phone: 7898 4028, E-mail: js64 at soas.ac.uk
http://www.soas.ac.uk/jainastudies




From joseph.walser at TUFTS.EDU  Fri Mar  7 11:40:51 2008
From: joseph.walser at TUFTS.EDU (Joseph Walser)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 08 06:40:51 -0500
Subject: English-Sanskrit Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W3CEEA376489766F8481F6A0130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227082206.23782.15738055514063470405.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Harsha,
Try:
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/

There is a field for entering an English search of Monier-Williams.

Hope this helps.

Joseph Walser

Harsha Dehejia wrote:
> Friends:
>  
> Is there an on-line English-Sanskrit dictionary?
>  
> Best.
>  
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Ottawa, ON., Canada.

-- 
Joseph Walser, Chair
Department of Religion
Tufts University
126 Curtis Street
Medford, MA 02155

Office: 617 627-2322




From bb145 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Fri Mar  7 15:10:22 2008
From: bb145 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Bindu Bhatt)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 08 10:10:22 -0500
Subject: English-Sanskrit Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W3CEEA376489766F8481F6A0130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227082209.23782.9619518278069107979.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

You can search Macdonell's dictionary at:
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/macdonell/
Best,
Bindu

 Harsha Dehejia wrote:
> Friends:
>  
> Is there an on-line English-Sanskrit dictionary?
>  
> Best.
>  
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Ottawa, ON., Canada.




From harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Mar  7 11:01:32 2008
From: harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 08 11:01:32 +0000
Subject: English-Sanskrit Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <000901c88012$b8f0e1e0$0200a8c0@abhishek>
Message-ID: <161227082204.23782.1908545041813484324.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:
 
Is there an on-line English-Sanskrit dictionary?
 
Best.
 
Harsha V. Dehejia
Ottawa, ON., Canada.




From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU  Mon Mar 10 10:36:48 2008
From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 08 10:36:48 +0000
Subject: transition: David Magier
Message-ID: <161227082212.23782.14414855985888388013.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear INDOLOGY colleagues,

(please forgive any duplication, as I have sent the same note to
colleagues through several other South Asia related mailing lists)

I think it is high time I updated you on what is happening with me.
Following a teaching career in South Asian linguistics, and after 21 years
as the South/Southeast Asia Librarian (and Director of Area Studies and
lately Director of the Center for Human Rights Documentation) at Columbia,
I am leaving the University. My years as a scholar of South Asia, and my
time at Columbia, while occasionally frustrating, has been an era of
tremendous professional gratification and personal growth for me, and I
have really treasured working with many of you and participating in such a
rewarding intellectual community. And the opportunity to support that
community through my South Asia library work (at Columbia, through SARAI,
and also internationally through the Digital South Asia Library and my role
as President of the Center for South Asia Libraries) has also been
especially exciting.

So the decision to leave my career here has been a very difficult and even
painful one to make. I will really miss my work at Columbia (but not my
little underground cubicle!) and all the great connections and
opportunities it has provided for me, not least with INDOLOGY colleagues.
But the "pull factors" of my new job -- Associate University Librarian for
Collection Development at Princeton -- are very substantial professionally
and personally, and I am really thrilled that Princeton has selected me for
this important job, where I will bear overall responsibility and the
leadership role for the entire collection development agenda of the
university. Ultimately, this is the right decision at the right time for me.

I will be starting at the new job in April. Aruna (who will continue her
Telugu teaching at Columbia and her South Asia editorship of the
Bibliography of Asian Studies) and I may be moving from New York down to
Princeton later this spring or summer. It remains to be seen just how much
of a role I will be able to retain in things related to the University
Seminar on South Asia (which I have chaired for over 10 years), my library
activities in CONSALD, SAMP, CSAL, DSAL, SARAI, South Asia Council of the
AAS, and other South Asia related passions of mine. Partly this is because
Princeton, while it has spectacular research library collections, has not
had programmatic strength in South Asia. And partly it is because my new
position is not area specific and not even "area studies" in its focus. But
I have a feeling Aruna and I will be able to reach out to the small
community of South Asianists at Princeton, and start to pull together a
core of interest that might warrant some university attention (and mine) to
South Asia. We'll see. In any case, I am hopeful that I'll continue to have
opportunities to collaborate in some capacity with you all, and to interact
with you as colleagues and dear friends. I look forward to seeing you all
(in person and online) at the AAS meetings in Atlanta, South Asia
conferences in Madison, and everywhere else where South Asianists
congregate. So while I will have a different hat on, and will be a little
less in evidence, working physically (and conceptually) a little father
away, this is not a farewell. In fact, I hope you will "drop in" and help
us build up South Asia at Princeton!

Thanks for decades of great experiences!
All the best and do keep in touch!

David
(email after April 7th: dmagier at princeton dot edu)

P.S. Regarding SARAI
<http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/southasia/cuvl/>; the International
Directory of South Asia Scholars
<http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/southasia/cuvl/directory.html>; DSAL
<http://dsal.uchicago.edu>; the Digital Library for International Research
<http://www.dlir.org>, and the other online endeavors in which I have been
engaged: don't worry, these are not going away. They will be maintained and
will continue to grow, with input from me and others.




From Arlo.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Tue Mar 11 14:17:49 2008
From: Arlo.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 08 15:17:49 +0100
Subject: Leiden Summer School in Languages and Linguistics
Message-ID: <161227082214.23782.14474915532970188366.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues,

In continuation of an earlier posting on Indology, I am happy to  
announce the third edition of the Leiden Summer School in Languages  
and Linguistics which will be held from 28 July - 8 August 2008 at  
the Faculty of Arts of Leiden University. The Summer School offers a  
number of courses on a wide range of subjects in the field of  
languages and linguistics. This year, the Summer School will consist  
of six programmes, including courses for beginners as well as for  
advanced students, taught by internationally renowned specialists:

Indo-European Programme

Iranian Programme

Indological Programme

Russian Programme

Semitic Programme

Dutch Programme

For more information and registration, visit: http:// 
www.summerschools.leidenuniv.nl/. Please do pass this message on to  
anyone who might be interested. Sincere greetings,

Arlo Griffiths
Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
<www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Mar 12 15:46:07 2008
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 08 10:46:07 -0500
Subject: MA studentships in the History of Medicine, London
Message-ID: <161227082217.23782.12913545798912375017.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


***MA studentships in the History of Medicine***

Wellcome Trust Centre for the History of Medicine at UCL


The Centre is the world's largest research institute devoted to the study 
of the History of Medicine. It invites applications from prospective MA 
students with a good honours degree for one year commencing September 
2008. The Centre anticipates being able to offer three studentships at 
approximately ?19,500 plus the payment of home fees. Applications to study 
full or part time without a scholarship are also welcome. The deadline for 
the application is 15 May 2008. Interviews will be held in June. For 
further details, see http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed/teaching/MA/index.html 
For information and application forms, contact Adam Wilkinson: 
ucgaawi at ucl.ac.uk

-----------------

This may not seem particularly indological, but the course offers 
possibilities for the serious study of ayurveda, including doing an MA 
thesis that could make use of original sources in the Asian languages 
supported by scholars at the Centre, that include Sanskrit, Arabic, Urdu, 
Chinese, and Tamil.

DW




From vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET  Wed Mar 12 19:37:37 2008
From: vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 08 14:37:37 -0500
Subject: MA studentships in the History of Medicine, London
Message-ID: <161227082219.23782.14273226914972438869.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dude,

Probably not for you (you're beyond MA), but 20,000 pounds is almost 40
grand in US dineros these days. You should know about that institute anyway,
since they are doing a lot of interesting work on the history of Medicine -- 
including Chinese medicine -- with some very good people.

Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominik Wujastyk" <ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: MA studentships in the History of Medicine, London



***MA studentships in the History of Medicine***

Wellcome Trust Centre for the History of Medicine at UCL


The Centre is the world's largest research institute devoted to the study
of the History of Medicine. It invites applications from prospective MA
students with a good honours degree for one year commencing September
2008. The Centre anticipates being able to offer three studentships at
approximately ?19,500 plus the payment of home fees. Applications to study
full or part time without a scholarship are also welcome. The deadline for
the application is 15 May 2008. Interviews will be held in June. For
further details, see http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed/teaching/MA/index.html
For information and application forms, contact Adam Wilkinson:
ucgaawi at ucl.ac.uk

-----------------

This may not seem particularly indological, but the course offers
possibilities for the serious study of ayurveda, including doing an MA
thesis that could make use of original sources in the Asian languages
supported by scholars at the Centre, that include Sanskrit, Arabic, Urdu,
Chinese, and Tamil.

DW




From vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET  Wed Mar 12 19:47:19 2008
From: vasubandhu at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 08 14:47:19 -0500
Subject: MA studentships in the History of Medicine, London
Message-ID: <161227082221.23782.15174048934810919706.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Sorry for inadvertently sending that private message over the list.
Careless... Many apologies.

Dan




From Arlo.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Wed Mar 19 15:35:57 2008
From: Arlo.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 08 16:35:57 +0100
Subject: book announcement
Message-ID: <161227082224.23782.3945372892705681394.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

just published:

Gerda Theuns-de Boer

A Vision of Splendour. Indian Heritage in the Photographs of Jean  
Philippe Vogel, 1901-1913.

The Kern Institute Collection of Photography, Leiden, The  
Netherlands / Mapin Publishing, Ahmedabad, India.

ISBN: 978-81-89995-02-7 (Mapin) / 978-0-944142-74-5 (Grantha)

www.mapinpub.com


Arlo Griffiths
Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
<www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>




From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Wed Mar 19 16:06:06 2008
From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 08 17:06:06 +0100
Subject: two Stellen at Berlin, Humboldt Uni.
Message-ID: <161227082226.23782.14366086473591407437.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am not sure why, but the following two announcements for new  
positions in South Asian Studies at the Humboldt University in Berlin  
seem not yet to have been circulated to our list.

http://www.personalabteilung.hu-berlin.de/stellenausschreibungen/w3- 
professur-kulturen-und-gesellschaften-sudasiens-zum-01-10.2008

W3-Professur "Kulturen und Gesellschaften S?dasiens" zum 01.10.2008


http://www.personalabteilung.hu-berlin.de/stellenausschreibungen/ 
juniorprofessur-201emedialitat-und-intermedialitat-in-den- 
gesellschaften-asiens-afrikas201c-zum-01-10.2008

Juniorprofessur ?Medialit?t und Intermedialit?t in den Gesellschaften  
Asiens / Afrikas? zum 01.10.2008

It is hard to know whether to be glad about the opening of these new  
opportunities in Berlin, or to be sad about what their opening seems  
simultaneously to be relegating to the irrecoverable past.

Arlo Griffiths
Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
<www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>




From jrasik at COLMEX.MX  Mon Mar 24 18:01:26 2008
From: jrasik at COLMEX.MX (Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 08 12:01:26 -0600
Subject: Announcement of new publication
Message-ID: <161227082228.23782.4043137502411656441.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thus is to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
"Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind tranquil,
to discriminate virtue and vice,  to discover Truth and Divine and to
imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.
 
Rasik Vihari Joshi
Professor of Sanskrit




From mkmfolk at GMAIL.COM  Mon Mar 24 21:33:40 2008
From: mkmfolk at GMAIL.COM (Mahendra Kumar Mishra)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 03:03:40 +0530
Subject: Announcement of new publication
In-Reply-To: <EF3838B287B79D47AF84D86AE402C7AD3FBBCF@email.colmex.mx>
Message-ID: <161227082231.23782.16328593292884019534.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear  Indologists
 I am Dr Mahendra Kumar Mishra from orissa , India.
Since last  25 years I have been working on Orissa cultture.
Recently my book oral Epics of Kalahandi ( kalahandi , a districtin
western part of Orissa  ruled by Naga and Chauhan Kings)
 this  book is a collection of oral epics from 7 ethnic groups and
their bardic tradition. The collection of epics were from the ethnic
cingers. the text  and interpretition is based on the poetics of
indian kavya parampara. That  is Dharma,Artha, kama  and Mokhsa.The
book is consists of 300 pages and has been published by national
Folklore Support center, Chennai. The book is available im the NFSC
www.indianfolklore.org
or Dr Muthu Kumarswamy
Director
info@ indianfolklore.org
muthu at indianfolklore.org


On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi
<jrasik at colmex.mx> wrote:
> Thus is to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
> Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
> "Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
> three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
> didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
> treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
> original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind tranquil,
> to discriminate virtue and vice,  to discover Truth and Divine and to
> imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.
>
> Rasik Vihari Joshi
> Professor of Sanskrit
>




From opfallon at YAHOO.COM  Tue Mar 25 07:36:42 2008
From: opfallon at YAHOO.COM (Oliver Fallon)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 07:36:42 +0000
Subject: Vedantasara commentaries
Message-ID: <161227082234.23782.15631720358036354394.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Vedantasara commentaries: does anyone on the list have or know of an e-text of any commentaries 
on the VedAntasAra of SadAnanda? In particular the SubodhinI of NrsiMhasrarasvatI and the 
VidvanmanoraJjanI of RamatIrtha would be useful.
Many thanks.




From h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX  Tue Mar 25 13:35:00 2008
From: h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 08:35:00 -0500
Subject: Search for philological status
In-Reply-To: <EF3838B287B79D47AF84D86AE402C7AD3FBBCF@email.colmex.mx>
Message-ID: <161227082238.23782.5936154779675417736.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Professors.
 Can you give me some references about the status of Vaishnava Lilamrita of Madhav Patnaik from Orissa XVI Century . I shall so thanks for you help in this issue.
 Sincerily
Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
 Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
 Saltillo, Coahuila
 Mexico.


Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi <jrasik at COLMEX.MX> escribi?:  Thus is to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
"Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind tranquil,
to discriminate virtue and vice, to discover Truth and Divine and to
imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.

Rasik Vihari Joshi
Professor of Sanskrit


       
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From jrasik at COLMEX.MX  Tue Mar 25 15:08:49 2008
From: jrasik at COLMEX.MX (Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 09:08:49 -0600
Subject: Search for philological status
Message-ID: <161227082241.23782.13379988660901397665.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Professor Horacio,
I do not know about Vaisnava Lilamrta. I edited Sri- Krsna-Lilamrta in 1979 with translation. This was brought by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu from South India and it is most popular in Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya.
Rasik Vihari Joshi

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] En nombre de Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez
Enviado el: Martes, 25 de Marzo de 2008 08:35 a.m.
Para: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Asunto: Search for philological status


Dear Professors.
 Can you give me some references about the status of Vaishnava Lilamrita of Madhav Patnaik from Orissa XVI Century . I shall so thanks for you help in this issue.
 Sincerily
Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
 Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
 Saltillo, Coahuila
 Mexico.


Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi <jrasik at COLMEX.MX> escribi?:  Thus is to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
"Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind tranquil,
to discriminate virtue and vice, to discover Truth and Divine and to
imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.

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From theodor at RESEARCH.HAIFA.AC.IL  Tue Mar 25 07:53:17 2008
From: theodor at RESEARCH.HAIFA.AC.IL (Ithamar Theodor)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 09:53:17 +0200
Subject: Deciphering a Gniza fragment
Message-ID: <161227082236.23782.760320288362794355.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

 Dear all,

 A colleague who is working on deciphering and cataloging 'Gniza' manuscripts at
the Cambridge University collection, is trying to decipher a manuscript fragment
of an Indian origin; specifically, he is enquiring about its approximate date,
its language and its contents. The text is quite short, and can be viewed on
the following website.

http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Taylor-Schechter/fotm/march-2008/


 I would be grateful for any help on this.


 Regards,
                     Ithamar


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From athr at LOC.GOV  Tue Mar 25 19:19:40 2008
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 15:19:40 -0400
Subject: Vai=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=A3=E1=B9=87ava_L=C4=ABl=C4=81m=E1=B9=9Bta_of__M=C4=81dh_ava_Pa=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADan=C4=81=E1=BA=8Faka?=
Message-ID: <161227082247.23782.13804115572301222279.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

If Arlo can only find the reference, but does not have easy access to the journal Jhankara itself, LC has a good run of it and I may be able to supply the article.  The run is at least  v.18-v.47 (1966:Apr.-1996).

Allen



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
South Asia Team, Asian Division
Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL> 03/25/08 1:55 PM >>>

As far as I know, there are some grounds to consider this text a  
spurious composition of the 20th century. The Oriya article that  
demasks the text appeared in the journal Jha?kara (if I remember  
well). I could trace this article, if it would be of any use for you.

Arlo Griffiths



On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez wrote:

> Dear Professors.
>  Can you give me some references about the status of Vaishnava  
> Lilamrita of Madhav Patnaik from Orissa XVI Century . I shall so  
> thanks for you help in this issue.
>  Sincerily
> Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
>  Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
>  Saltillo, Coahuila
>  Mexico.
>
>
> Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi <jrasik at COLMEX.MX> escribi?:  Thus is  
> to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
> Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
> "Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
> three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
> didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
> treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
> original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind  
> tranquil,
> to discriminate virtue and vice, to discover Truth and Divine and to
> imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.
>
> Rasik Vihari Joshi
> Professor of Sanskrit
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Tue Mar 25 17:55:13 2008
From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 08 18:55:13 +0100
Subject: Vai=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=A3=E1=B9=87ava_L=C4=ABl=C4=81m=E1=B9=9Bta_of__M=C4=81dhava_Pa=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADan=C4=81=E1=BA=8Faka?=
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As far as I know, there are some grounds to consider this text a  
spurious composition of the 20th century. The Oriya article that  
demasks the text appeared in the journal Jha?k?ra (if I remember  
well). I could trace this article, if it would be of any use for you.

Arlo Griffiths



On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez wrote:

> Dear Professors.
>  Can you give me some references about the status of Vaishnava  
> Lilamrita of Madhav Patnaik from Orissa XVI Century . I shall so  
> thanks for you help in this issue.
>  Sincerily
> Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
>  Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
>  Saltillo, Coahuila
>  Mexico.
>
>
> Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi <jrasik at COLMEX.MX> escribi?:  Thus is  
> to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
> Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
> "Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
> three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
> didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
> treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
> original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind  
> tranquil,
> to discriminate virtue and vice, to discover Truth and Divine and to
> imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.
>
> Rasik Vihari Joshi
> Professor of Sanskrit
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ?Capacidad ilimitada de almacenamiento en tu correo!
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Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
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From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Wed Mar 26 08:36:57 2008
From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 08 09:36:57 +0100
Subject: Vai=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=A3=E1=B9=87ava_L=C4=ABl=C4=81m=E1=B9=9Bt_a_of__M=C4=81dhava_Pa=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADan=C4=81_=E1=BA=8Faka?=
In-Reply-To: <20080325T151940Z_AE4F00170000@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227082249.23782.16942356199360014261.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The relevant Jha?k?ra reference is:

Kail?sa Candra D??a, "Vai??ava L?l?m?ta: eka  
d???ip?ta", Jha?k?ra (44?a var?a, 9ma sa?khy?)  
?isembara 1992, pp. 815-825

(By the way, since this review does occasionally seem to carry  
significant articles, it would be most commendable if the LC tried to  
extend its run beyond 1996.)

I also find another relevant article in my files:

Saccid?nanda Mi?ra, "Vai??ava L?l?m?ta: aitih?sika m?lya  
nirddh?ra?a", in Praj??loka (Praphesara V?sudeva S?hu  
Abhinandana Grantha), Ka?aka [Cuttack], Vidy?prak??ana, 2000, pp.  
168-174.

As far as I recall, the main reason for doubting the authenticity of  
the Vai??ava L?l?m?ta is the fact that it contains many  
historical references that could not have been known to a 16th or  
17th century writer.

Arlo Griffiths



On Mar 25, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Allen W Thrasher wrote:

> If Arlo can only find the reference, but does not have easy access  
> to the journal Jhankara itself, LC has a good run of it and I may  
> be able to supply the article.  The run is at least  v.18-v.47  
> (1966:Apr.-1996).
>
> Allen
>
>
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
> South Asia Team, Asian Division
> Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the  
> Library of Congress.
>
>>>> Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL> 03/25/08 1:55  
>>>> PM >>>
>
> As far as I know, there are some grounds to consider this text a
> spurious composition of the 20th century. The Oriya article that
> demasks the text appeared in the journal Jha?kara (if I remember
> well). I could trace this article, if it would be of any use for you.
>
> Arlo Griffiths
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez wrote:
>
>> Dear Professors.
>>  Can you give me some references about the status of Vaishnava
>> Lilamrita of Madhav Patnaik from Orissa XVI Century . I shall so
>> thanks for you help in this issue.
>>  Sincerily
>> Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
>>  Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
>>  Saltillo, Coahuila
>>  Mexico.
>>
>>
>> Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi <jrasik at COLMEX.MX> escribi?:  Thus is
>> to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
>> Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
>> "Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
>> three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
>> didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
>> treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
>> original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind
>> tranquil,
>> to discriminate virtue and vice, to discover Truth and Divine and to
>> imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.
>>
>> Rasik Vihari Joshi
>> Professor of Sanskrit
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>> ?Capacidad ilimitada de almacenamiento en tu correo!
>> No te preocupes m?s por el espacio de tu cuenta con Correo Yahoo!:
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>
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
>
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>

Arlo Griffiths
Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
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From h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX  Thu Mar 27 13:14:54 2008
From: h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 08 08:14:54 -0500
Subject: : Search for philological status too
In-Reply-To: <EF3838B287B79D47AF84D86AE402C7AD3FBBD5@email.colmex.mx>
Message-ID: <161227082252.23782.11295644306217439198.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Professors.
Thanks very much for your information. Can you give me more references too about the  philological status of Jayananda's Caitanya Mangala from Bengala XVI Century? I shall so thanks for you help in this issue.
Sincerily
Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
Saltillo, Coahuila
Mexico.



Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi <jrasik at COLMEX.MX> escribi?:  Professor Horacio,
I do not know about Vaisnava Lilamrta. I edited Sri- Krsna-Lilamrta in 1979 with translation. This was brought by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu from South India and it is most popular in Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya.
Rasik Vihari Joshi

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] En nombre de Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez
Enviado el: Martes, 25 de Marzo de 2008 08:35 a.m.
Para: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Asunto: Search for philological status


Dear Professors.
Can you give me some references about the status of Vaishnava Lilamrita of Madhav Patnaik from Orissa XVI Century . I shall so thanks for you help in this issue.
Sincerily
Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez Lic. M.A.
Researcher from IEFAC, IBCH and U A de C.
Saltillo, Coahuila
Mexico.


Rasik Vihari Joshi Tripathi escribi?: Thus is to announce my new book recently published by Chaukhamba
Sanskrit Prakashan, Delhi.
"Satyam" (Universal Truth) Sanskrit Kavya, comprising of five hundred
three elegant Sanskrit verses with Hindi and English translation.This
didactic Kavya represents my observations of human life. It is a
treasure trove of apophthegms in which wise and noble, striking and
original thoughts appear in poetic garb. It is to attain mind tranquil,
to discriminate virtue and vice, to discover Truth and Divine and to
imbibe tolerence and brotherhood.

Rasik Vihari Joshi
Professor of Sanskrit



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From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Mar 27 20:53:18 2008
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 08 16:53:18 -0400
Subject: Vai=?UTF-8?Q?=E1=B9=A3=E1=B9=87ava_L=C4=ABl=C4=81m=E1=B9=9Bt_a_of__M=C4=81d_hava_Pa=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADan=C4=81_=E1=BA=8Faka?=
Message-ID: <161227082254.23782.17520753084422382948.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have paged that vol. from remote storage.  Could Prof. 
Arganis-Juarez please  send me his snailmail address off the list?

There seems to be some trouble getting the journal Jhankara, though we theoretically still have a subscription.  I have asked our New Delhi office to investigate.

Allen

>>> Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL> 03/26/08 4:36 AM >>>

The relevant Jha?kara reference is:

Kailasa Candra Dasa, "Vai??ava Lilam?ta: eka  
d???ipata", Jha?kara (44sa var?a, 9ma sa?khya)  
?isembara 1992, pp. 815-825

(By the way, since this review does occasionally seem to carry  
significant articles, it would be most commendable if the LC tried to  
extend its run beyond 1996.)




From gthomgt at COMCAST.NET  Sat Mar 29 20:57:38 2008
From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET (George Thompson)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 08 16:57:38 -0400
Subject: Jan Houben's email address
Message-ID: <161227082257.23782.11132459007264563388.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List,

For some reason I am unable to log on to the list's archives in order to 
locate Jan's email address.  Could someone, perhaps Jan himself, give 
me  his email address privately?

Thanks in advance.

George Thompson




From gthomgt at COMCAST.NET  Sat Mar 29 21:39:12 2008
From: gthomgt at COMCAST.NET (George Thompson)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 08 17:39:12 -0400
Subject: Jan Houben's email address
In-Reply-To: <47EEAD42.6090406@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <161227082260.23782.6182240098084849652.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List,

I have gotten a few prompt replies already, so there is no need for 
more. Thank you.

George Thompson

George Thompson wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> For some reason I am unable to log on to the list's archives in order 
> to locate Jan's email address.  Could someone, perhaps Jan himself, 
> give me  his email address privately?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> George Thompson
>
>




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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 08 23:43:58 +0000
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 08 13:01:26 +0000
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> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:20:23 +0530> From: mkmfolk at GMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: "Festival of Krishna" by Harsha Dehejia on Amazon.com> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk> > Dear Prof. Dahejja> Thank you for the interest on my bok. The book is available in> Chennai. Please send an e mail to Dr Muthukumarswamy ,Director,> national Folklore Support Center> infollowing e mail;> muthu at indianfolklore.org or> info at indianfolklore.org> Can you give me the address of the Book store of Delhi where you book> is available?> bets regards, mahendra mishra> > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Harsha Dehejia> <harshadehejia at hotmail.com> wrote:> > Friends:> >> > I have pleasure in sending you this announcement of my latest book.> >> > Regards.> >> > Harsha V. Dehejia> > Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University> > Ottawa, ON., Canada.> >> >> > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:36:06 -0700From: books-store at amazon.comTo: harshadehejia at hotmail.comSubject: Now available: "Festival of Krishna" by Harsha Dehejia on Amazon.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Amazon.com Customer,> > As someone who has purchased or rated books by Harsha Dehejia, you might like to know that Festival of Krishna will be released on April 1, 2008. You can pre-order yours by following the link below.> >> >> >> >> > Festival of Krishna Harsha Dehejia> >> >> >> > Price:> > $60.00> > Release Date: April 1, 2008> >> > Book DescriptionThe book takes us on a journey of the loves of Krishna, his lilas, kridas, his madhurya and above all the raas lila. But Krishna is not only for the royalty and nobility, he belongs to the people, the potter and the puppeteer, the bride and the mother, for he is celebrated at every village fair and town. Equally the modern artist does not remain untouched by the magic of Krishna and depecits him on his palette. And as the journey ends we are privy to some of the most glorious moments of five magnificient centuries of Krishna paintings.> >> >> >> >> >> > More to Explore> >> > See more in Arts & Photography > Religious> > More New Releases> > Top Sellers> > Recommended for You> > Sincerely,> > Amazon.comhttp://amazon.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > We hope you found this message to be useful. However, if you'd rather not receive future e-mails of this sort from Amazon.com, please opt-out here.> > Please note that product prices and availability are limited time offers and are subject to change. Prices and availability were accurate at the time this newsletter was sent; however, they may differ from those you see when you visit Amazon.com.> > (c) 2008 Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. All rights reserved. Amazon, Amazon.com and the Amazon.com logo and 1-Click are registered trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.> > Amazon.com, 1200 12th Ave. S., Suite 1200, Seattle, WA 98144-2734.> > Reference 8649110> >> >> > Please note that this message was sent to the following e-mail address: harshadehejia at hotmail.com



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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 08 18:20:23 +0530
Subject: "Festival of Krishna" by Harsha Dehejia on Amazon.com
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infollowing e mail;
 muthu at indianfolklore.org  or
info at indianfolklore.org
Can you give me the address of the Book store of Delhi where you book
is available?
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> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:36:06 -0700From: books-store at amazon.comTo: harshadehejia at hotmail.comSubject: Now available: "Festival of Krishna" by Harsha Dehejia on Amazon.com
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> Book DescriptionThe book takes us on a journey of the loves of Krishna, his lilas, kridas, his madhurya and above all the raas lila. But Krishna is not only for the royalty and nobility, he belongs to the people, the potter and the puppeteer, the bride and the mother, for he is celebrated at every village fair and town. Equally the modern artist does not remain untouched by the magic of Krishna and depecits him on his palette. And as the journey ends we are privy to some of the most glorious moments of five magnificient centuries of Krishna paintings.
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From harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Mar 31 10:33:42 2008
From: harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 08 10:33:42 +0000
Subject: Gavaksha
Message-ID: <161227082272.23782.12657009879535882078.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:
 
Could you please refer me to a good discussion about gavaksha (windows in a temple) and jharokha (windows in a haveli) ?
 
Regards.
 
Harsha
Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia