From veerankp at GMAIL.COM  Sat Dec  1 12:13:47 2007
From: veerankp at GMAIL.COM (veeranarayana Pandurangi)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 07 17:43:47 +0530
Subject: asva sastra
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0711292041370.3940@Caraka>
Message-ID: <161227081568.23782.18424902682968111886.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends,
sincere thanks to all who have helped to trace the literature.
I will once again write after collecting some more info.
thanking

veeranarayana




On 11/30/07, Dominik Wujastyk <ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> I have a personal copy of the Saraswati Mahal Asvasastra text
> (illustrated), but I don't think that's at issue.  I'm sure Dr Sandeep
> Joshi has his own copy.  The Tanjore SM has an active programme of
> reprinting their publications (which sell incredibly well, especially the
> Tamil titles).
>
> Dominik
>
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Allen W Thrasher wrote:
>
> > The only copy I can find is in the British Library, the correct title
> > being not *Science of the horse but *Science of horses:
> >
> > Asva-Sastra; or, the Science of Horses ... Translated from the original
> > Sanskrit text by Pandit. V. Vijayaraghavacharya ... Edited with 153
> > illustrations of horses of all kinds and published by V. J. A. and V.
> > Krishnasamy..pp. 7. 3. 12. 315. P. N. Press: Tirupati, 1928..  4?..
> > Description  Collection;Shelfmk   Oriental Collections ; 14053.e.33.
> >
> > According to the pages of the BL's Asia, Pacific and Africa
> > Collections, <  http://www.bl.uk/collections/sanskrit.html >, the
> > contact person for Sanskrit is Michael O'Keefe and his email <
> > michael.o'keefe at bl.uk >.
> >
> > I also add a list of Asvasastras off the subscription version of the
> > OCLC/WorldCat database.  One can go to the no-charge, universally
> > acceptable vanilla version at < http://www.worldcat.org/ > and find out
> > what libraries own copies of the books.
> >
> > Database: WorldCat
> > Query: (kw: asvasastra or kw: ashvashastra) or kw: ashwashastra
> >
> >
> > 1 Asvayurveda :
> >             Siddhasangrahah /
> >             Author:      Gana.; Paudyal, Damaru Ballabh.;
> >             Nakula.Publication: [Kathamadaum] : Sri 5
> > Maharajadhirajaka Pramukha
> >             Rajadaravara Padadhikari Karyalaya, 1975-1976? Document:
> > Sanskrit :
> >             Book   Libraries Worldwide: 14
> > 2 Asvasastram /
> >             Author:      Nakula.; Gopalan, S.Publication: [Madras :
> >             Government Oriental Manuscripts Library, 1952 Document:
> > Sanskrit :
> >             Book   Libraries Worldwide: 9   Library of Congress
> > 3 Asvasastram /
> >             Author:      Nakula.; Gopalan, S.Publication: Tanjore :
> >             The Tanjore Maharaja Serfoji's Saraswati Mahal Library,
> > 1952 Document:
> >             Sanskrit : Book   Libraries Worldwide: 5
> > 4 Abhinavacandra viracita Asvasastra /
> >             Author:      Abhinavacandra, 15th cent.; Ma?junathan, Ji.
> >             Ji.,Publication: Mysore : Kannada Adhyayana Samsthe,
> > Maisuru
> >             Visvavidyanilaya, 1987 Document:    Kannada : Book
> > Libraries
> >             Worldwide: 5   Library of Congress
> > 5 Asvavaidyakam
> >             a treatise on the diseases of the horse /
> >             Author:      Jayadatta Suri.; Candragupta, Umesa.;
> >             Nakula.Publication: Calcutta : J.W. Thomas for the Asiatic
> > Society of
> >             Bengal, Baptist Mission Press, 1886 Document:    Sanskrit
> > : Book
> >             Libraries Worldwide: 2
> > 6 Asvasastram
> >             critically edited with introduction and notes /
> >             Author:      Abhinavacandra, 15th cent.; Srinivasa Rao,
> >             P.,; Sesha Iyengar, H.Publication: Madras : Govt. Oriental
> > Manuscripts
> >             Library, 1950 Document:    Kannada : Book  :  Microform
> > Libraries
> >             Worldwide: 2   Library of Congress
> > 7 Asvavaidyakam /
> >             Author:      Jayadatta Suri.; Nakula.Publication:
> >             Kalikatanagayyarm : Sidgasavarayantra Mudrita, 1893
> > Document:
> >             Sanskrit : Book   Libraries Worldwide: 1
> > 8 Asvasastram :
> >             critically edited with introduction and notes /
> >             Author:      Abhinavacandra, 15th cent.; Srinivasa Rao,
> >             P.,; Sesha Iyengar, H.Publication: Madras : Govt. Oriental
> > Manuscripts
> >             Library, 1950 Document:    Kannada : Book
> >
> > FirstSearch(r) Copyright (c) 1992-2007 OCLC as to electronic
> >             presentation and platform.  All Rights Reserved.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > Allen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
> > South Asia Team, Asian Division
> > Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
> > 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> > Washington, DC 20540-4810
> > tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
> > The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
> > of Congress.
> >
> >>>> veeranarayana Pandurangi <veerankp at GMAIL.COM> 11/28/07 7:26 AM >>>
> >
> > friends,
> > My friend Dr. Sandeep Joshi JRRSU is working on the asva sastra. He is
> > e
> > diting the text of Asva sastra earlier published in Sarasvati mahal.
> > but
> > the text is currupt and difficult to reconstruct. there is on info on
> > author
> > etc.
> > He wants to know whether there are early writings on this subject. One
> > reference is "Asva-sastra or the science of the horse"  of Hemasuri
> > eds. V.
> > J. A. and V. Krishnasamy  1928. Even we are finding it dificult to
> > trace
> > this book. we want some information.
> >
> > thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
> > Head, Dept of Darshanas,
> > Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
> > Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post
> > Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.
> >




-- 
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post
Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.




From kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Sun Dec  2 21:39:04 2007
From: kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Kengo Harimoto)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 07 22:39:04 +0100
Subject: NGMCP Newsletter, No. 5
Message-ID: <161227081571.23782.4013947107782924118.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

The Nepalese-German Manuscript Cataloguing Project (NGMCP) is pleased  
to announce the fifth issue of the _Newsletter of the NGMCP_.   PDF  
versions of the Newsletter are now available at the University of  
Hamburg website:

http://www.uni-hamburg.de/fachbereiche-einrichtungen/indologie/ngmcp/newsletter_e.html

As usual, there are two versions: full and light.  The full version is  
about 11 MB, and the light version is about 2.7 MB.  The difference is  
in the quality of the graphics.

------
Contents of The Newsletter of the NGMCP, No. 5, October-November 2007:

"Editorial" by Harunaga Isaacson

"Recent Developments at the Nepal Research Centre Including the Work  
of the NGMCP from October 2006 to September 2007" by Albrecht Hanisch

"Newly Discovered Stanzas of the Param?rthasev? by Pu??ar?ka" by  
Francesco Sferra

"The Manuscripts of the Kriy?k?lagu?ottara"  by Michael Slouber

"A Fragment of the ?gama??stravivara?a" by Kengo Harimoto

"Notes on a V?r??as?m?h?tmya Compendium" by Peter Bisschop

"Book Announcement"

"Some Highlights of the Work of a ?Frequent User? of the NGMPP  
(IV)" by Michael Hahn

--------------------
The NGMCP is a project funded by the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft  
(German Research Foundation).

For correspondence:

NGMCP
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Universit?t Hamburg
Edmund-Siemers-Allee 1 (Hauptgeb?ude)
D-20146 Hamburg
Germany
E-mail: ngmcp at uni-hamburg.de
Telephone: +49 40 42838-6269

-- 
Kengo Harimoto
kengo.harimoto at uni-hamburg.de
Nepalese-German Manuscript Cataloguing Project
Abteilung fuer Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Universitaet Hamburg - Asien-Afrika-Institut




From fransfe at TIN.IT  Sun Dec  2 23:23:58 2007
From: fransfe at TIN.IT (Francesco Sferra)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 07 00:23:58 +0100
Subject: from Francesco
In-Reply-To: <0A90F3C3-92ED-4437-A9C8-23F7AF44F18E@uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <161227081573.23782.3665629965807461308.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Kengo,

I have just downloaded the last number of the Newsletter of the  
NGMCP, which is as ever not only very interesting but also beautiful  
from the aesthetical point of view. I thank you very much for your  
work on my paper.

I know that you have met Paolo and Camilla, who have been happy to  
keep contact with you.

I hope you will come to Italy next year, and that we have soon the  
opportunity to meet again.

With many warm greetings, yours sincerely
Francesco




From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Wed Dec  5 19:46:51 2007
From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 07 11:46:51 -0800
Subject: New Publication
Message-ID: <161227081576.23782.9542213357830976439.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Please note the following new publication:

Andrew Glass, Four G?ndh?r? Sa?yukt?gama S?tras: Senior Kharo??h? Fragment 5. Gandh?ran Buddhist Texts 4. Seattle: University of Washington Press, 2007. 

The book is available directly from the University of Washington Press (http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/books/GLAFOR.html), and should shortly be available at Amazon.com and other standard venue.

"Four Gandhari Samyuktagama Sutras" is the fourth volume of text editions of recently discovered manuscripts of Buddhist manuscripts in Gandhari. A fifth volume is currently in the press, and several more are in advanced stages of preparation.

Richard Salomon

P.S. I apologize in advance for cross-posting (H-Buddhism and Indology lists).




From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR  Fri Dec  7 18:45:07 2007
From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 07 19:45:07 +0100
Subject: Two competing 13th cent. opinions on the word "niir" (water) in              Tamil and Sanskrit (Re: Nira-Narsingpur Narasimha,              Lakmii-n.rsi.mha-sahasra-naaman
In-Reply-To: <C35F7529.73D7%ashok.aklujkar@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227081579.23782.17410707669660754647.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear professor Aklujkar and professor Hart,

you might be interested to know
that Ceen_aavaraiyar (Ce-n_a-varaiyar),
a 13th (or 14th ?) century grammarian
had to deal with two competing opinions on the word niir (ni-r).

He wrote:

"ni-r en_patu a-riyac-citaiv-a-yin_um
ap porut.k-atu-v-e- col-l-a-y-c
cen-tamil_ nilatt-um
kot.un-tamil_ nilatt-um
val_an.kappat.utala-n_ iyar_col-l-a-yir_r_u."

(although the word "niir" is a corruption from the Northern language,
since it is current, with the same meaning,
both in the land of "Straight Tamil"
and in the land of "Deviating/Variant Tamil",
it is an ordinary Tamil world")

[this is a rough English translation;
for a more precise French translation,
see p. 473 in my 1996 book (French Institute of Pondicherry; PIFI 84.1
"Le Commentaire de Ce-n_a-varaiyar sur le Collatika-ram du Tolka-ppiyam"]

(see also, on the same page [footnote 398.5], my reference to Caldwell's 
discussion of the item "niir")

This seems to imply that
Ce-n_a-varaiyar was trying to accomodate

-- a dominant opinion (among Sanskrit scholars) stating that "niir" was 
a Sanskrit word

-- his own intuition that "niir" was a plain Tamil world
(see his list of plain Tamil words (iyar_-col):
 nila, niir, tii, val.i, etc. [nilam, ni-r, ti-, val.i, etc.] "earth, 
water, fire, wind, earth"

This, of course, proves nothing concerning the "etymology" of "niir"
but at the same time it shows a lot concerning
13th-14th cent. beliefs
(and would be of interest to a socio-linguist)

I hope this is useful

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard (CNRS, Paris)

ashok.aklujkar a ?crit :
> Dear George, 
>
> You wrote:
>   
>> This is a rather strange argument -- that because a word occurs in one
>> language family before it is written down in another language family,
>> it could not be borrowed.
>>     
>
> What was the context of my reference to the attestation in the Nigha.n.tu?
> Did I not speak of reducing the resistance? Why take the reference as if it
> was made when 'borrowing : non-borrowing' was the issue in the immediate
> context? And, again, why ignore the structural similarity of niira pointed
> out with the Indo-Aryan words niipa and nii.da? Are views not to be formed
> by taking all relevant arguments, those which are for and those which are
> against, into consideration?
>
>   
>> *niir, was in proto-Dravidian, probably about 3000
>> BC.  Note that this is, for all intents and purposes, a documented
>> occurrence of the word -- actually, more so than the Nighantu, which
>> may have been changed in the manuscript tradition.
>>     
>
> Could you spell out or summarize the arguments that *definitely or very
> plausibly* establish that proto-Dravidian existed in 3000 BC? How does one's
> taking this position establish that occurrence of niir, *the specific word
> under discussion,* is *documented* to 3000 BC? If the Nigha.n.tu could
> change in the manuscript tradition, why could the sources that are used to
> postulate the existence of proto-Dravidian in 3000 BC not have changed in
> their manuscript traditions?
>
> If the Vedic or Indo-Aryan could borrow, could the proto-Dravidian not do
> the same thing? If it could not, what made it impervious to borrowing?
>
>   
>> to make niira (and mukha) IE takes a lot of faith.<
>>     
>
> Could little faith or lot of faith not be a matter of how much time one
> spends in believing a particular view and/or of whether one takes the
> totality of evidence or arguments into consideration?
>
> ashok
>
>   




From ashok.aklujkar at GMAIL.COM  Sun Dec  9 09:53:15 2007
From: ashok.aklujkar at GMAIL.COM (ashok.aklujkar)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 07 01:53:15 -0800
Subject: Two competing 13th cent. opinions on the word "niir" (water)              in Tamil and Sanskrit (Re: Nira-Narsingpur Narasimha,              Lakmii-n.rsi.mha-sahasra-naaman
In-Reply-To: <475994B3.4040601@univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Message-ID: <161227081582.23782.11052482513504095666.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Jean-Luc,

Sorry. Being on a short lecture tour at present, I could not so far
acknowledge your most interesting post. Rarely does one come across such
clearly matching instances of an ancient discussion regarding a short word
or relatively minor linguistic detail. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
with me. When I return to my home library, I will read the precise
translation of the precious passage to which you kindly refer.

With best wishes,

ashok


On 12/7/07 10:45 AM, "Jean-Luc Chevillard"
<jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR> wrote:>
> Ceen_aavaraiyar (Ce-n_a-varaiyar),
> a 13th (or 14th ?) century grammarian
> had to deal with two competing opinions on the word niir (ni-r).




From Palaniappa at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 14 04:03:09 2007
From: Palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 07 23:03:09 -0500
Subject: Two competing 13th cent. opinions on the word "niir" (water)              in Tamil and...
Message-ID: <161227081584.23782.6654728903093719247.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

 
Dear JLC,
 
I would slightly modify the rough translation you have given us, "although  
the word "niir" is a corruption from the Aryan language, since it is  current, 
with the same meaning, both in the land of "Straight Tamil" and in the  land 
of "Deviating/Variant Tamil", it is an ordinary Tamil world."  (I feel  using 
the word 'Aryan' provides valuable socio-linguistic information on how  Tamils 
identified Sanskrit.) However, unlike you, I take this to mean  that the 
commentator indeed believed 'niir' was of Sanskrit origin. He just  gives the 
reason for including this 'Sanskitic' word in iyar_col.
 
More important for the current discussion is the commentator's discussion  of 
Tol.Col.401 where he gives an approach to etymologizing a word made  up of 
letters common to both Tamil and Sanskrit. According to  him, Aryan words are 
commonly used in all regions but Tamil words do not  enter Sanskrit. So in the 
case of a word with the same form and  meaning in both languages, the 
commentator classifies the word as belonging  to Aryan. (In contrast to this 
commentator, others such as naccin_aarkkin_iyar  do not seem to entertain the 
possibility of 'niir' being Aryan.)
 
This medieval attitude towards Sanskrit as always being the donor and  Tamil 
as always being the borrower remained very influential right through the  
compilation of Madras University Tamil Lexicon until Western scholars such  as 
Burrow and Emeneau started working on Dravidian. This attitude also generated  
Tamil nationalistic reaction which tried to create Tamil etymologies where they  
were not warranted.
 
Regards,
S. Palaniappan
 
In a message dated 12/7/2007 12:45:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR writes:

Dear  professor Aklujkar and professor Hart,

you might be interested to  know
that Ceen_aavaraiyar (Ce-n_a-varaiyar),
a 13th (or 14th ?) century  grammarian
had to deal with two competing opinions on the word niir  (ni-r).

He wrote:

"ni-r en_patu a-riyac-citaiv-a-yin_um
ap  porut.k-atu-v-e- col-l-a-y-c
cen-tamil_ nilatt-um
kot.un-tamil_  nilatt-um
val_an.kappat.utala-n_ iyar_col-l-a-yir_r_u."

(although  the word "niir" is a corruption from the Northern language,
since it is  current, with the same meaning,
both in the land of "Straight Tamil"
and  in the land of "Deviating/Variant Tamil",
it is an ordinary Tamil  world")

[this is a rough English translation;
for a more precise  French translation,
see p. 473 in my 1996 book (French Institute of  Pondicherry; PIFI 84.1
"Le Commentaire de Ce-n_a-varaiyar sur le  Collatika-ram du Tolka-ppiyam"]

(see also, on the same page [footnote  398.5], my reference to Caldwell's 
discussion of the item  "niir")

This seems to imply that
Ce-n_a-varaiyar was trying to  accomodate

-- a dominant opinion (among Sanskrit scholars) stating that  "niir" was 
a Sanskrit word

-- his own intuition that "niir" was a  plain Tamil world
(see his list of plain Tamil words (iyar_-col):
nila,  niir, tii, val.i, etc. [nilam, ni-r, ti-, val.i, etc.] "earth, 
water,  fire, wind, earth"

This, of course, proves nothing concerning the  "etymology" of "niir"
but at the same time it shows a lot  concerning
13th-14th cent. beliefs
(and would be of interest to a  socio-linguist)

I hope this is useful

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard  (CNRS, Paris)






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From Palaniappa at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 14 04:18:19 2007
From: Palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 07 23:18:19 -0500
Subject: Two competing 13th cent. opinions on the word "niir" (water)              in Tamil and...
Message-ID: <161227081587.23782.8701752925459682074.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

 
Sorry. In the first line in my post, please insert "to read"  after "given 
us". In the discussion on Tol.Col.401, the commentator uses "Aryan"  as well as 
"Northern" to refer to Sanskrit words.
 
Regards,
S. Palaniappan
 
In a message dated 12/13/2007 10:03:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
Palaniappa at AOL.COM writes:

Dear  JLC,

I would slightly modify the rough translation you have given us,  "although  
the word "niir" is a corruption from the Aryan language,  since it is  
current, 
with the same meaning, both in the land of  "Straight Tamil" and in the  land 
of "Deviating/Variant Tamil", it is  an ordinary Tamil world."  (I feel  
using 
the word 'Aryan'  provides valuable socio-linguistic information on how  
Tamils  
identified Sanskrit.) However, unlike you, I take this to mean  that  the 
commentator indeed believed 'niir' was of Sanskrit origin. He  just  gives 
the 
reason for including this 'Sanskitic' word in  iyar_col.

More important for the current discussion is the  commentator's discussion  
of 
Tol.Col.401 where he gives an approach  to etymologizing a word made  up of 
letters common to both Tamil and  Sanskrit. According to  him, Aryan words 
are 
commonly used in all  regions but Tamil words do not  enter Sanskrit. So in 
the 
case of a  word with the same form and  meaning in both languages, the  
commentator classifies the word as belonging  to Aryan. (In contrast  to this 
commentator, others such as naccin_aarkkin_iyar  do not seem  to entertain 
the 
possibility of 'niir' being Aryan.)

This medieval  attitude towards Sanskrit as always being the donor and  Tamil 
as  always being the borrower remained very influential right through the   
compilation of Madras University Tamil Lexicon until Western scholars  such  
as 
Burrow and Emeneau started working on Dravidian. This  attitude also 
generated  
Tamil nationalistic reaction which tried to  create Tamil etymologies where 
they  
were not  warranted.

Regards,
S. Palaniappan

In a message dated  12/7/2007 12:45:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,   
jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR writes:

Dear   professor Aklujkar and professor Hart,

you might be interested to   know
that Ceen_aavaraiyar (Ce-n_a-varaiyar),
a 13th (or 14th ?)  century  grammarian
had to deal with two competing opinions on the  word niir  (ni-r).

He wrote:

"ni-r en_patu  a-riyac-citaiv-a-yin_um
ap  porut.k-atu-v-e- col-l-a-y-c
cen-tamil_  nilatt-um
kot.un-tamil_  nilatt-um
val_an.kappat.utala-n_  iyar_col-l-a-yir_r_u."

(although  the word "niir" is a corruption  from the Northern language,
since it is  current, with the same  meaning,
both in the land of "Straight Tamil"
and  in the land of  "Deviating/Variant Tamil",
it is an ordinary Tamil   world")

[this is a rough English translation;
for a more  precise  French translation,
see p. 473 in my 1996 book (French  Institute of  Pondicherry; PIFI 84.1
"Le Commentaire de  Ce-n_a-varaiyar sur le  Collatika-ram du Tolka-ppiyam"]

(see also,  on the same page [footnote  398.5], my reference to Caldwell's  
discussion of the item  "niir")

This seems to imply  that
Ce-n_a-varaiyar was trying to  accomodate

-- a dominant  opinion (among Sanskrit scholars) stating that  "niir" was 
a Sanskrit  word

-- his own intuition that "niir" was a  plain Tamil  world
(see his list of plain Tamil words (iyar_-col):
nila,  niir,  tii, val.i, etc. [nilam, ni-r, ti-, val.i, etc.] "earth, 
water,   fire, wind, earth"

This, of course, proves nothing concerning the   "etymology" of "niir"
but at the same time it shows a lot   concerning
13th-14th cent. beliefs
(and would be of interest to a   socio-linguist)

I hope this is useful

-- Jean-Luc  Chevillard  (CNRS, Paris)


 



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From conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Fri Dec 14 18:35:11 2007
From: conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Frank Conlon)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 10:35:11 -0800
Subject: But, still, you!! an appreciation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0712141801180.3680@Caraka>
Message-ID: <161227081591.23782.17879225938892158348.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dominick,

Well, yes, I think I knew you were no longer trying to handle the whole 
enterprise, but let me take this moment to thank you personally for the 
enormous amounts of energy, good will, humor and (definitely) patience, 
that you invested in the success of Indology.  It represents a wonderful 
resource and a model scholarly online community.

best wishes,

Frank

Frank F. Conlon
Professor Emeritus of History, South Asian
      Studies & Comparative Religion
University of Washington
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From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Sat Dec 15 00:39:35 2007
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 17:39:35 -0700
Subject: not me!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0712141801180.3680@Caraka>
Message-ID: <161227081595.23782.2087013763636295702.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dominik
Trying to do it myself, I sent an email to this address you supplied (below)
but it bounced:    HYPERLINK
"mailto:indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk"indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk  .

 Is there something that needs correcting on this address? I tried using the
Subscriber's Corner but it's no help at all--quite opaque as to what to do.


Thanks for any help--
Joanna Kirkpatrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Indology [HYPERLINK
"mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk"mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf
Of Dominik Wujastyk
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:20 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: not me!

Dear friends and colleagues,

I started up this discussion forum, on Friday 23rd November, 1990, and I
administered it single-handed for many years, until it was closed on
Wednesday 18 April, 2001.

When the new INDOLOGY forum opened on Thursday 12 July, 2001, it was no
longer managed by me, and it was run on different, more formal lines.
There is a committee that is in charge of the INDOLOGY forum, and although I
am currently a member of the committee, I am by no means in charge, and I
just take turns to be on duty, along with every one else.

If you need to change or update your mailing-list settings, update your
email address, etc., please don't write to me personally about it.  The
place to write is the committee, at

   indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk

I do feel quite touched when I receive personal requests for your account
settings to be changed, since it's a reminder of the old days when INDOLOGY
was my sole charge.  But I just can't keep up, and it isn't my business
anyhow, except in my periodic duty days.  So I would be grateful if you
would use the email address above for all admin matters.


"Indologists are Doin' it For Themselves."

You can change almost any aspect of your subscription all by yourself, if
you wish.  Go to the website

   HYPERLINK
"http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/"http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/

and click on "Subscriber's Corner".

There's online help, but also a Users' Guide here: HYPERLINK
"http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/docs/user.pdf"http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/docs/user
.pdf

Warmest wishes of the season,

Dominik

--
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Senior Research Fellow
University College London
HYPERLINK "http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed"http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed

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From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Fri Dec 14 18:19:48 2007
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 18:19:48 +0000
Subject: not me!
Message-ID: <161227081589.23782.2474319116174348825.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear friends and colleagues,

I started up this discussion forum, on Friday 23rd November, 1990, and I 
administered it single-handed for many years, until it was closed on 
Wednesday 18 April, 2001.

When the new INDOLOGY forum opened on Thursday 12 July, 2001, it was
no longer managed by me, and it was run on different, more formal lines. 
There is a committee that is in charge of the INDOLOGY forum, and although 
I am currently a member of the committee, I am by no means in charge, and 
I just take turns to be on duty, along with every one else.

If you need to change or update your mailing-list settings, update your 
email address, etc., please don't write to me personally about it.  The 
place to write is the committee, at

   indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk

I do feel quite touched when I receive personal requests for your account 
settings to be changed, since it's a reminder of the old days when 
INDOLOGY was my sole charge.  But I just can't keep up, and it isn't my 
business anyhow, except in my periodic duty days.  So I would be grateful 
if you would use the email address above for all admin matters.


"Indologists are Doin' it For Themselves."

You can change almost any aspect of your subscription all by yourself, if 
you wish.  Go to the website

   http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/

and click on "Subscriber's Corner".

There's online help, but also a Users' Guide here: http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/docs/user.pdf

Warmest wishes of the season,

Dominik

-- 
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Senior Research Fellow
University College London
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Sat Dec 15 01:14:46 2007
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 20:14:46 -0500
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W189AED833E18CB7DFF3255A0670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227081600.23782.12555448972883615870.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Macs come with such but the fonts are not very nice

J0hn
On Dec 14, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Harsha Dehejia wrote:

> Friends:
>
> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he  
> writes:
>
> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add- 
> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software  
> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit  
> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users  
> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by  
> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a  
> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a  
> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,  
> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or  
> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be  
> able to use what I envision. "
>
> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He  
> seems sincere.
>
> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>
> Harsha
>
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>
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From hwtull at MSN.COM  Sat Dec 15 01:58:03 2007
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 20:58:03 -0500
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W189AED833E18CB7DFF3255A0670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227081602.23782.3044151422772690829.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I use Baraha software, which, I believe, does just what you describe in your note.  I find that it integrates seamlessly with MSword, though there are some font issues (Arial Unicode helps here).  

See, http://www.baraha.com/

Herman Tull
Princeton, NJ



> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:57:22 +0000
> From: harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM
> Subject: Sanskrit Software
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> 
> Friends:
>  
> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he writes:
>  
> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents, publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be able to use what I envision. "
>  
> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He seems sincere.
>  
> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>  
> Harsha
>  
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
> Ottawa, ON. Canada.

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From bb145 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Sat Dec 15 04:03:09 2007
From: bb145 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Bindu Bhat)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 23:03:09 -0500
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W189AED833E18CB7DFF3255A0670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227081605.23782.9913391916953237027.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I use Baraha software (http://www.baraha.com/] as well as Google
Indic Transliteration (www.google.com/transliterate/indic/) Both
work quite well.
Bindu

Quoting Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>:

> Friends:
>
> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
> writes:
>
> "I would like to create a professional software package, an
> 'add-on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such
> software would give users a common platform for efficiently
> typing Sanskrit from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into
> MSWord. Users would be able to do so in Devanagari or
> transliteration, or by toggling from one to the other. My hope is
> to distribute such a package free of cost over the internet and,
> in doing so, create a common platform for all who create full or
> part-Sanskrit documents, publish them, or simply use them.
> Academic or student, mystic or pragmatist, Westerner or Indian,
> if someone has MSWord, they'll be able to use what I envision. "
>
> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him.
> He seems sincere.
>
> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>
> Harsha
>
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
> Ottawa, ON. Canada.




From harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Dec 14 23:57:22 2007
From: harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 07 23:57:22 +0000
Subject: Sanskrit Software
Message-ID: <161227081593.23782.3471907085850841370.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:
 
I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he writes:
 
"I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents, publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be able to use what I envision. "
 
Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He seems sincere.
 
Regards and Season's Greetings.
 
Harsha
 
Harsha V. Dehejia
Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
Ottawa, ON. Canada.




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Sat Dec 15 01:05:55 2007
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 01:05:55 +0000
Subject: not me!
In-Reply-To: <000501c83eb2$f7af49e0$0400a8c0@OPTIPLEX>
Message-ID: <161227081598.23782.9788920717627374289.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

my fault.  I can't spell "committee"!  Sorry.

I double-checked Subscribers' Corner before I recommended it publicly, and 
I thought it was pretty okay.  If you've never used it before, you have to 
get yourself a password, but that's easy.  Once you're past that, every 
tick-box has a little help sign by it, so it's self-documenting.  One can 
turn off the mailings while one is on holiday or writing that monograph, 
that sort of thing.

Dominik




On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, jkirk wrote:

> Dear Dominik
> Trying to do it myself, I sent an email to this address you supplied (below)
> but it bounced:    HYPERLINK
> "mailto:indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk"indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk  .
>
> Is there something that needs correcting on this address? I tried using the
> Subscriber's Corner but it's no help at all--quite opaque as to what to do.
>
>
> Thanks for any help--
> Joanna Kirkpatrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [HYPERLINK
> "mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk"mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf
> Of Dominik Wujastyk
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:20 AM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: not me!
>
> Dear friends and colleagues,
>
> I started up this discussion forum, on Friday 23rd November, 1990, and I
> administered it single-handed for many years, until it was closed on
> Wednesday 18 April, 2001.
>
> When the new INDOLOGY forum opened on Thursday 12 July, 2001, it was no
> longer managed by me, and it was run on different, more formal lines.
> There is a committee that is in charge of the INDOLOGY forum, and although I
> am currently a member of the committee, I am by no means in charge, and I
> just take turns to be on duty, along with every one else.
>
> If you need to change or update your mailing-list settings, update your
> email address, etc., please don't write to me personally about it.  The
> place to write is the committee, at
>
>   indologycomittee at liverpool.ac.uk
>
> I do feel quite touched when I receive personal requests for your account
> settings to be changed, since it's a reminder of the old days when INDOLOGY
> was my sole charge.  But I just can't keep up, and it isn't my business
> anyhow, except in my periodic duty days.  So I would be grateful if you
> would use the email address above for all admin matters.
>
>
> "Indologists are Doin' it For Themselves."
>
> You can change almost any aspect of your subscription all by yourself, if
> you wish.  Go to the website
>
>   HYPERLINK
> "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/"http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/archives/
>
> and click on "Subscriber's Corner".
>
> There's online help, but also a Users' Guide here: HYPERLINK
> "http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/docs/user.pdf"http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/docs/user
> .pdf
>
> Warmest wishes of the season,
>
> Dominik
>
> --
> Dr Dominik Wujastyk
> Senior Research Fellow
> University College London
> HYPERLINK "http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed"http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed
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From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU  Sat Dec 15 16:27:32 2007
From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 08:27:32 -0800
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <C38983A2.98A2%heike.moser@uni-tuebingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227081614.23782.4490515146031193035.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word  
processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are  
built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming  
out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus  
reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.   
TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well  
with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the  
like.  George Hart

On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:

> Dear James Hartzell,
>
> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not  
> working
> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>
> Best regards from T?bingen,
> Heike Moser
>
>
> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>
>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help of
>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot type
>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>
>> James Hartzell
>> Durban, South Africa
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>> Hope it will help.
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>> Nivedita,
>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>
>>> Friends:
>>>
>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>> seems sincere.
>>>
>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>
>>> Harsha
>>>
>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>
>>>
>>>      Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/




From nivi71r at YAHOO.CO.IN  Sat Dec 15 05:09:07 2007
From: nivi71r at YAHOO.CO.IN (Nivedita Rout)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 10:39:07 +0530
Subject: Sanskrit Software
Message-ID: <161227081607.23782.308009836209349545.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Prof. dehejia,
The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex' which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration. Hope it will help.

With best regards
Nivedita,
EFEO, Pondicherry.
 



----- Original Message ----
From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
Subject: Sanskrit Software

Friends:

I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he writes:

"I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents, publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be able to use what I envision. "

Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He seems sincere.

Regards and Season's Greetings.

Harsha

Harsha V. Dehejia
Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
Ottawa, ON. Canada.


      Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/




From rhayes at UNM.EDU  Sat Dec 15 18:27:41 2007
From: rhayes at UNM.EDU (Richard Hayes)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 11:27:41 -0700
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <27456.42792.qm@web8905.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227081620.23782.11746510678277091388.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Friday 14 December 2007 22:09, Nivedita Rout wrote:

> Another programme called 'MikeTex' which is
> most used by western scholars are one of the advance programmes for
> convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.

It is possible that what Nivedita Rout has in mind is mikTeX, which is the 
name given to one of the entire TeX/LaTeX installations ported to Windows.
See http://miktex.org/ There are also implementations ported to Mac. TeX/LaTeX 
is native to UNIX systems and is a standard part of most Linux distributions.

Any implementation of TeX/LaTeX can make use of either of two excellent sets 
of macros developed by Velthuis or Wikner. TeX is a markup language, not a 
WYSIWYG editor, so what one sees at the input level is romanized Sanskrit. 
When the code is run through a compiler, it produces a file (either DVI or 
PDF) that can be viewed on screen or printed out. In the viewed or printed 
version one sees Devanagari--either Hindi or Sanskrit, depending on which 
options one chooses. There are also quite good LaTeX macros for typesetting 
Tibetan, Bengali, Panjabi and all the south Indian languages.

Although LaTeX is often called TeX for the impatient, it is not really for 
people who are impatient with computers. It takes time to master the code, 
but once one learns it, one is unlikely ever to want to use anything else. 

A place to start learning more about various TeX options for typesetting 
Devanagari is http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/languages/devanagari/ 

-- 
Richard Hayes
Department of Philosophy
University of New Mexico




From heike.moser at UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE  Sat Dec 15 12:14:10 2007
From: heike.moser at UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE (Heike Moser)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 13:14:10 +0100
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <06525A3C-62C0-4F0E-898B-3371D3CA885D@sentechsa.com>
Message-ID: <161227081612.23782.14040806628582342996.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear James Hartzell,

The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not working
in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...

Best regards from T?bingen,
Heike Moser


Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
<hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:

> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help of
> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot type
> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
> 
> James Hartzell
> Durban, South Africa
> 
> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
> 
>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>> Hope it will help.
>> 
>> With best regards
>> Nivedita,
>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>> 
>> Friends:
>> 
>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>> writes:
>> 
>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>> able to use what I envision. "
>> 
>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>> seems sincere.
>> 
>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>> 
>> Harsha
>> 
>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>> 
>> 
>>       Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Sat Dec 15 18:42:04 2007
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 13:42:04 -0500
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <BA604337-1DFB-4CB9-A5DC-AEC94F4A2DFE@alma.unibo.it>
Message-ID: <161227081622.23782.3586761599768548749.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Comes through great if you use an enabled Mac

John
On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Alex Passi wrote:

> Apart from Devanagari -- Marco Franceschini pointed out to me that  
> if you are writing with a US-extended keyboard and a Unicode font  
> which includes diacritics, such as Arial,the following keystrokes  
> generate all you really need to type transliterated Sanskrit on a  
> Mac OS X Tiger or Leopard:
>
> macron: ALT-a + letter, as in ? ?, ? ? ? etc.
> underdot: ALT-x + letter, as in ? ? ? ? ? (note: ALT-a + r  
> will yield long vowel "r" - if you're lucky")
> overdot: ALT-w + letter, as in ? ?
> acute accent/palatal: ALT-e + letter, as in ? ?
> double palatal (used in Semitic languages, etc.): ALT-v + letter :  
> ??? ?
> brevis: ALT-b + letter: ? ?
> On some letters, ALT-h yields underline: ?, ?, ? ?.
> These combinations work with capitals too.
> I'm not at all sure that the examples will come through as such in  
> this email, as a matter of fact I'll be quite surprised if they do.
> best,
> Alex Passi
>
>
> On 15/12/2007, at 5:27 PM, George Hart wrote:
>
> The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word  
> processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil  
> are built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac  
> coming out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll  
> see.  Nisus reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default  
> format.  TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also  
> works well with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes  
> and the like.  George Hart
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:
>
>> Dear James Hartzell,
>>
>> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
>> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are  
>> not working
>> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>>
>> Best regards from T?bingen,
>> Heike Moser
>>
>>
>> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
>> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>>
>>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the  
>>> help of
>>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot  
>>> type
>>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>>
>>> James Hartzell
>>> Durban, South Africa
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>>> Hope it will help.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards
>>>> Nivedita,
>>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>>> seems sincere.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> Harsha
>>>>
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
>
> Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
> Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
> e Orientali
> Universit? di Bologna,
> Via Zamboni 33
> Bologna, 40126, Italy.
>
> a.passi at alma.unibo.it
> alexpassi at gmail.com
> +39-051-209.8472
> cellphone +39-338.269.4933
> fax +39-051-209.8443.
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
> Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
> e Orientali
> Universit? di Bologna,
> Via Zamboni 33
> Bologna, 40126, Italy.
>
> a.passi at alma.unibo.it
> alexpassi at gmail.com
> +39-051-209.8472
> cellphone +39-338.269.4933
> fax +39-051-209.8443.
>
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From hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM  Sat Dec 15 11:57:52 2007
From: hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM (James Hartzell)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 13:57:52 +0200
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <27456.42792.qm@web8905.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227081609.23782.5412560574823075828.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help of  
Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts  
input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX  
10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those  
that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot type  
in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work  
on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on  
whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.

James Hartzell
Durban, South Africa

On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:

> Dear Prof. dehejia,
> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in  
> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'  
> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance  
> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.  
> Hope it will help.
>
> With best regards
> Nivedita,
> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>
> Friends:
>
> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he  
> writes:
>
> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add- 
> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software  
> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit  
> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users  
> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by  
> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a  
> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a  
> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,  
> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or  
> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be  
> able to use what I envision. "
>
> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He  
> seems sincere.
>
> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>
> Harsha
>
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>
>
>       Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http:// 
> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/




From a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT  Sat Dec 15 17:45:11 2007
From: a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT (Alex Passi)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 18:45:11 +0100
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <1DB56617-2DD9-4DC6-B214-D8EEB9721E91@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <161227081617.23782.17711481037262945740.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Apart from Devanagari -- Marco Franceschini pointed out to me that if  
you are writing with a US-extended keyboard and a Unicode font which  
includes diacritics, such as Arial,the following keystrokes generate  
all you really need to type transliterated Sanskrit on a Mac OS X  
Tiger or Leopard:

macron: ALT-a + letter, as in ? ?, ? ? ? etc.
underdot: ALT-x + letter, as in ? ? ? ? ? (note: ALT-a + r  
will yield long vowel "r" - if you're lucky")
overdot: ALT-w + letter, as in ? ?
acute accent/palatal: ALT-e + letter, as in ? ?
double palatal (used in Semitic languages, etc.): ALT-v + letter :  
??? ?
brevis: ALT-b + letter: ? ?
On some letters, ALT-h yields underline: ?, ?, ? ?.
These combinations work with capitals too.
I'm not at all sure that the examples will come through as such in  
this email, as a matter of fact I'll be quite surprised if they do.
best,
Alex Passi


On 15/12/2007, at 5:27 PM, George Hart wrote:

The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word  
processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are  
built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming  
out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus  
reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.   
TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well  
with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the  
like.  George Hart

On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:

> Dear James Hartzell,
>
> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not  
> working
> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>
> Best regards from T?bingen,
> Heike Moser
>
>
> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>
>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help of
>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot type
>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>
>> James Hartzell
>> Durban, South Africa
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>> Hope it will help.
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>> Nivedita,
>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>
>>> Friends:
>>>
>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>> seems sincere.
>>>
>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>
>>> Harsha
>>>
>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/

Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
e Orientali
Universit? di Bologna,
Via Zamboni 33
Bologna, 40126, Italy.

a.passi at alma.unibo.it
alexpassi at gmail.com
+39-051-209.8472
cellphone +39-338.269.4933
fax +39-051-209.8443.





Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
e Orientali
Universit? di Bologna,
Via Zamboni 33
Bologna, 40126, Italy.

a.passi at alma.unibo.it
alexpassi at gmail.com
+39-051-209.8472
cellphone +39-338.269.4933
fax +39-051-209.8443.




From Michael.Zimmermann at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Sat Dec 15 19:53:14 2007
From: Michael.Zimmermann at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Michael Zimmermann)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 20:53:14 +0100
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W189AED833E18CB7DFF3255A0670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227081624.23782.10702246711848878069.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

 Hello, you might want to try IndoLipi (freeware) which offers:

 Open Type fonts for almost all Indian scripts, 
 a Latin font for "instant" transliteration of Indic scripts, 
 a Unicode based Latin font for writing of scientific texts in a western  
language containing all transliteration signs used by indologists as well as 
all presently valid IPA signs (this font is also Open Type regarding exact 
positioning of IPA diacritics), 
 western (English and German) keyboard layouts for Indic scripts for users who 
find it difficult to use Indian keyboard layouts, 
 an MS Word template with helpful macros for easy use of OT fonts and for 
transliteration into Latin script. 

Download from:
(http://www.uni-hamburg.de/Wiss/FB/10/IndienS/Kniprath/INDOLIPI/Indolipi.htm)

 Michael


-- 
Michael Zimmermann
Universit?t Hamburg, Asien-Afrika-Institut
http://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/


Quoting Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>:

> Friends:
> 
> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he writes:
> 
> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-on' that
> operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software would give users a
> common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit from a Romanized (English)
> keyboard directly into MSWord. Users would be able to do so in Devanagari or
> transliteration, or by toggling from one to the other. My hope is to
> distribute such a package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so,
> create a common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or pragmatist,
> Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be able to use what I
> envision. "
> 
> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He seems
> sincere.
> 
> Regards and Season's Greetings.
> 
> Harsha
> 
> Harsha V. Dehejia
> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
> 




From cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET  Sun Dec 16 01:59:55 2007
From: cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET (George Cardona)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 20:59:55 -0500
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
Message-ID: <161227081629.23782.7043218689176000292.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I've also found that Nisus Pro works excellently with the Devanagari font available from Ecological Linguistics, Washington DC.  As for Word, I gave up on Microsoft some time ago: the font I use faultlessly in Nisus Pro has strange quirks in Word.  George Cardona

-----Original Message-----
>From: George Hart <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2007 11:27 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Mac-Devanagari
>
>The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word  
>processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are  
>built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming  
>out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus  
>reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.   
>TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well  
>with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the  
>like.  George Hart
>
>On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:
>
>> Dear James Hartzell,
>>
>> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
>> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not  
>> working
>> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>>
>> Best regards from T?bingen,
>> Heike Moser
>>
>>
>> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
>> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>>
>>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help of
>>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot type
>>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>>
>>> James Hartzell
>>> Durban, South Africa
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>>> Hope it will help.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards
>>>> Nivedita,
>>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>>> seems sincere.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> Harsha
>>>>
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Sat Dec 15 23:43:12 2007
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 07 23:43:12 +0000
Subject: Sanskrit Software
In-Reply-To: <200712151127.41398.rhayes@unm.edu>
Message-ID: <161227081627.23782.7485365083816659140.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have used TeX since the mid-1980s for all my writing, and I've found it 
excellent.  I like a system whose author guarantees that it will never be 
upgraded, and who will send you a cheque if you find a bug.

The next release of MikTeX (already out in a late beta) includes Xetex, a 
fully Unicode-compliant variant of TeX.  Xetex has been available on Macs 
for some time, and people like it.  It allows you to write in any Unicode 
script and font, like Devanagari, Cyrillic and Arabic, all in one 
document, seeing the stuff correctly as you write it, and then having it 
beautifully typeset by TeX for printing or typesetting.  Oh, and of course 
it's all free, as usual for TeX-related software.

   http://miktex.org/
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XeTeX
   http://scripts.sil.org/xetex

-- 
Dominik Wujastyk




On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Richard Hayes wrote:

> On Friday 14 December 2007 22:09, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>
>> Another programme called 'MikeTex' which is
>> most used by western scholars are one of the advance programmes for
>> convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>
> It is possible that what Nivedita Rout has in mind is mikTeX, which is the
> name given to one of the entire TeX/LaTeX installations ported to Windows.
> See http://miktex.org/ There are also implementations ported to Mac. TeX/LaTeX
> is native to UNIX systems and is a standard part of most Linux distributions.
>
> Any implementation of TeX/LaTeX can make use of either of two excellent sets
> of macros developed by Velthuis or Wikner. TeX is a markup language, not a
> WYSIWYG editor, so what one sees at the input level is romanized Sanskrit.
> When the code is run through a compiler, it produces a file (either DVI or
> PDF) that can be viewed on screen or printed out. In the viewed or printed
> version one sees Devanagari--either Hindi or Sanskrit, depending on which
> options one chooses. There are also quite good LaTeX macros for typesetting
> Tibetan, Bengali, Panjabi and all the south Indian languages.
>
> Although LaTeX is often called TeX for the impatient, it is not really for
> people who are impatient with computers. It takes time to master the code,
> but once one learns it, one is unlikely ever to want to use anything else.
>
> A place to start learning more about various TeX options for typesetting
> Devanagari is http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/languages/devanagari/
>
>




From a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT  Sun Dec 16 09:14:56 2007
From: a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT (Alex Passi)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 07 10:14:56 +0100
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <27165455.1197770395633.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <161227081631.23782.9806858337340332635.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Using Nisus Pro (I've been using only Nisus since it first came out  
long ago) on Mac OS X.5 Leopard, I've come across one "indological"  
fault. Whereas it used to be possible (on Tiger, with an Intel Mac and  
2 Gb RAM) to open the Monier-Williams 37 Mb. humongous file with  
Nisus, and do useful work with it, it now freezes up the program, or  
slows it down to the point you can't do anything with it. As an  
alternative, I've been using the latest NeoOffice for MW, while  
patiently awaiting updates both to the OS and Nisus.
Meanwhile, any suggestions?

On 16/12/2007, at 2:59 AM, George Cardona wrote:

I've also found that Nisus Pro works excellently with the Devanagari  
font available from Ecological Linguistics, Washington DC.  As for  
Word, I gave up on Microsoft some time ago: the font I use faultlessly  
in Nisus Pro has strange quirks in Word.  George Cardona

-----Original Message-----
> From: George Hart <glhart at BERKELEY.EDU>
> Sent: Dec 15, 2007 11:27 AM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Mac-Devanagari
>
> The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word
> processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are
> built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming
> out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus
> reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.
> TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well
> with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the
> like.  George Hart
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:
>
>> Dear James Hartzell,
>>
>> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
>> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not
>> working
>> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>>
>> Best regards from T?bingen,
>> Heike Moser
>>
>>
>> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
>> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>>
>>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help  
>>> of
>>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot  
>>> type
>>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>>
>>> James Hartzell
>>> Durban, South Africa
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>>> Hope it will help.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards
>>>> Nivedita,
>>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>>> seems sincere.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> Harsha
>>>>
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/

Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
e Orientali
Universit? di Bologna,
Via Zamboni 33
Bologna, 40126, Italy.

a.passi at alma.unibo.it
alexpassi at gmail.com
+39-051-209.8472
cellphone +39-338.269.4933
fax +39-051-209.8443.



Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
e Orientali
Universit? di Bologna,
Via Zamboni 33
Bologna, 40126, Italy.

a.passi at alma.unibo.it
alexpassi at gmail.com
+39-051-209.8472
cellphone +39-338.269.4933
fax +39-051-209.8443.




From zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE  Sun Dec 16 20:31:28 2007
From: zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 07 21:31:28 +0100
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <C38983A2.98A2%heike.moser@uni-tuebingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227081634.23782.6014777358179356784.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Since Unicode is obviously 'the way to go', also on Mac, I put together 
some of my findings together with links in a web page, for those who are 
interested:

http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~zydenbos/unicodeosx.html

RZ
Universit?t M?nchen




From LubinT at WLU.EDU  Tue Dec 18 03:08:29 2007
From: LubinT at WLU.EDU (Timothy Lubin)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 07 22:08:29 -0500
Subject: Drav. niir & Skt. niiram
In-Reply-To: <E4F6F36F6B0C7B409966C9B72424581401F15502@ECLUST2-VS4.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227081636.23782.5260832358594181146.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It is intriguing that a 13th c. Tamil commentator should accept the
notion that the word niir, the ubiquitous and predominant word for
'water' in the Dravidian languages might be a corrupt form of an "Ariya"
word, but there cannot really be much doubt that, linguistically
speaking, Skt. niiram is a borrowing from Proto-Dravidian. Caldwell
favors the Dravidian pedigree, even though he notes the similarity (and
possibility of a connection) with M. Greek nero (????) < Classical Greek
neeron/naron (?????/?????) 'water' < neeros/naros (?????/?????) 'moist,
fresh' in his somewhat inconclusive remarks (http://tinyurl.com/2dcud7),
mentioning what is now the standard etymology of the Greek words:
< naoo (???) 'flow' < PIE *sna-u-: This etymon yields Skt snaa-,
snaanam, etc., all derivates retaining initial s- (at least until late
medieval IA forms like nahaanaa).

On the other hand, The American Heritage Dictionary's Indo-European
Roots Index (prepared by Calvert Watkins) suggests for these words:
< PIE *newo- 'new' via a contracted form of nea-ros 'young, fresh',
applied to water and fish; there is nava- in Skt, but I don't see where
the long -ii- could come in. 

Also, unless I am mistaken, there is no extant parallel in Old Iranian
to Skt niiram, although that is no proof that one did not exist.

In any case, the case seems solid for niiram as a loan from Dravidian. 
Which makes the social dynamics and scholastic background of Jean-Luc's
commentator's remark very intriguing, and ironic to our ears.

Tim

Timothy Lubin
Associate Professor, Department of Religion
Director, East Asian Studies Program
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, Virginia  USA

lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint

Tel: 540.458.8146 (office) 
Fax: 540.458.8498




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Thu Dec 20 03:26:15 2007
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 07 22:26:15 -0500
Subject: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
In-Reply-To: <4769BA2D.3030806@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227081642.23782.16173370617830051952.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Requires a  login code which I do not have

John
On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:41 PM, McComas Taylor wrote:

> Dear colleagues
>
> A student sent me this document:
>
> https://alliance.anu.edu.au/access/content/group/977b7a41- 
> c53e-44b9-80cb-d62211333564/unknown_script_from_bali.pdf
>
> Can any of you good folk identify the script and/or help with content?
>
> I would also like to thanks all colleagues on this list for their  
> help, support and collegiality in 2007. I wish you all an enjoyable  
> and refreshing holiday season, and I look forward to interacting  
> with you again in 2008.
>
> Yours
>
> McComas
>
> -- 
> ===============================
> Dr McComas Taylor
> Head, South Asia Centre
> Faculty of Asian Studies
> The Australian National University
> ACTON ACT 0200
>
> Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
> Fax: +61 2 6125 8326
>
> Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au
> URL: http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Dr_McComas_Taylor
> Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building
>
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From Palaniappa at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 20 04:20:55 2007
From: Palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 07 23:20:55 -0500
Subject: A few Questions (was Re: Drav. niir & Skt. niiram)
Message-ID: <161227081647.23782.5609333887208607547.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,
 
Our recent discussion of the interaction between Sanskrit and Tamil  
traditions led me to a few questions. I would like to know the current  consensus 
opinion, if any, of the Sanskritists regarding the  following:
 
1. Were the Sanskrit and Prakrit short poem traditions influenced by a  
Deccani tradition (as suggested by G. L. Hart) or Tamil literary tradition  (as 
considered possible by S. Lienhard)? 
 
2. Was Bhagavatapurana written in Tamil Nadu and what is its relation to  
Alvar's bhakti poetry?
 
3. Was the motif of the hero encountering the heroine while hunting a  wild 
animal (as in the story of Dushyanta) present in the Sanskrit  tradition even 
earlier?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Regards,
S. Palaniappan



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From nivi71r at YAHOO.CO.IN  Thu Dec 20 03:41:18 2007
From: nivi71r at YAHOO.CO.IN (Nivedita Rout)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 03:41:18 +0000
Subject: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
In-Reply-To: <4769BA2D.3030806@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227081645.23782.1994918848547485108.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear McComas,
   
  Could you please provide the document in pdf file since it requires code.
   
  Thanking you.
  Regards
  Nivedita

McComas Taylor <mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU> wrote:
  Dear colleagues

A student sent me this document:

https://alliance.anu.edu.au/access/content/group/977b7a41-c53e-44b9-80cb-d62211333564/unknown_script_from_bali.pdf

Can any of you good folk identify the script and/or help with content?

I would also like to thanks all colleagues on this list for their help, 
support and collegiality in 2007. I wish you all an enjoyable and 
refreshing holiday season, and I look forward to interacting with you 
again in 2008.

Yours

McComas

-- 
===============================
Dr McComas Taylor
Head, South Asia Centre
Faculty of Asian Studies
The Australian National University
ACTON ACT 0200

Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
Fax: +61 2 6125 8326

Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au
URL: http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Dr_McComas_Taylor
Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building 


       
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From christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE  Thu Dec 20 09:06:22 2007
From: christophe.vielle at UCLOUVAIN.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 10:06:22 +0100
Subject: Si.mharaaja's Praak.rtaruupaavataara ?
In-Reply-To: <4769C463.3060503@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227081649.23782.3048000624921592608.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues,

I read in Ulloor S. Parameswara Aiyer's Kerala 
Sahityacaritram (History of Kerala Literature), 
vol. 1, p. 349, that Samudrabandha (who lived at 
the Court of Ravivarman Kula/sekhara around 1300 
AD, being the author of a commentary on the 
ala.mkaarasarvasva with examples in praise of the 
king) had a son, Si.mharaaja by name, who 
composed a work bearing the title 
Praak.rtaruupaavataara (beside a commentary on 
the Karpuurama?jariisa.t.taka).
Has anybody an idea of the nature of this 
Praak.rtaruupaavataara (which "clarifies the 
scholarship in Praakrit language" - 
praak.rtabhaa.sayil ulla paa.n.dityatte 
spa.s.tiikarikkunnu) and if it has been published?
Thank you very much,

Christophe Vielle




From h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX  Thu Dec 20 16:59:19 2007
From: h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 10:59:19 -0600
Subject: Asking?
Message-ID: <161227081665.23782.5810082922801532591.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues: 
  In the National Cheung Kung University, Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology (Vol 67, p 332).  It is reported  studies made by specialists in environmental contamination, inside  a temple in the city of Taiwan and those researcher compared the air with taken samples of an intersection of vehicular traffic. They found that  air inside the temple there were very high concentrations of hydrocarbons aromatic polic?clicos (PAH), a great group of chemical highly carcinogenic that they are liberated when certain inciense substances are burnt. Is my question now, if there are studies of this in India? Because the Chinese incience is different from the India. Can some body give scientific information in this respect? 
  Sincerily
  Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez M.A. Resercher Profesor IBCH, IEFAC, U A de C.

       
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From steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE  Thu Dec 20 10:38:04 2007
From: steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Roland Steiner)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 11:38:04 +0100
Subject: Si.mharaaja's Praak.rtaruupaavataara ?
In-Reply-To: <a06240807c38fdba0f8c5@[192.168.1.6]>
Message-ID: <161227081651.23782.2318659550242321419.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Si.mharaaja's Praak.rtaruupaavataara is a Prakrit grammar which  
comments on the same suutras as were commented by Trivikrama. It has  
been excellently edited by Eugen Hultzsch:

Prakritararupavatara. A Prakrit Grammar based on the Valmikisutra. By  
Simhararaja Son of Samudrabandhayajvan. Ed. by E. Hultzsch. [London:]  
1909. (Prize Publication Fund. I.)

According to Luigia Nitti-Dolci (Les grammairiens Prakrits, Paris  
1938, p. 185),
Si.mharaaja's commentary is very poor ("tr?s pauvre"), since it does  
not give examples taken from literary texts ("ne donne pas d'exemples  
tir?s de textes litt?raires"), but is a meagre catalogue of forms ("un  
aride catalogue de formes").  S.'s commentary is entirely independent  
of Trivikrama's commentary ("son commentaire est absolument  
ind?pendant de celui de T.")

Best wishes,
Roland Steiner




From mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU  Thu Dec 20 00:41:17 2007
From: mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 11:41:17 +1100
Subject: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
Message-ID: <161227081638.23782.10731742018472813414.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues

A student sent me this document:

https://alliance.anu.edu.au/access/content/group/977b7a41-c53e-44b9-80cb-d62211333564/unknown_script_from_bali.pdf

Can any of you good folk identify the script and/or help with content?

I would also like to thanks all colleagues on this list for their help, 
support and collegiality in 2007. I wish you all an enjoyable and 
refreshing holiday season, and I look forward to interacting with you 
again in 2008.

Yours

McComas

-- 
===============================
Dr McComas Taylor
Head, South Asia Centre
Faculty of Asian Studies
The Australian National University
ACTON ACT 0200

Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
Fax: +61 2 6125 8326

Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au
URL: http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Dr_McComas_Taylor
Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building 




From ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu Dec 20 16:58:48 2007
From: ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul G. Hackett)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 11:58:48 -0500
Subject: RISM
In-Reply-To: <F9A595CD-386E-4BCF-A0D0-84B7BDA74BE2@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227081662.23782.14301059771468318388.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At 5:04 PM +0100 12/20/07, Arlo Griffiths wrote:
>Does anyone know the up-to-date URL's for the site 
><http://www.rism.cn> and esp. the 'Paleaography Section' to which
>
>http://jinajik.blogspot.com/2005/11/rism-peking-university.html
>
>gives further links?

The main site was live as recently as this past Spring, but both that 
site <http://www.rism.cn> and its linked site ('Paleography') 
<http://sfl.pku.edu.cn/sanskrit/pale.htm> now appear to be dead.  You 
can however, access some of the main pages of RISM via the Internet 
Archive's "WaybackMachine" at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.rism.cn

and in particular:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070109164314/http://www.rism.cn/
http://web.archive.org/web/20070115164252/http://www.rism.cn/

The <http://sfl.pku.edu.cn/sanskrit/pale.htm> page does *not* appear 
to have been archived, however.

Paul Hackett
Columbia University




From mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU  Thu Dec 20 01:24:51 2007
From: mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 12:24:51 +1100
Subject: Bali script - correct URL
Message-ID: <161227081640.23782.4689573581976095113.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Apologies - apparently not everyone can access that URL. Please try this 
one:

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/data/unknown_script_from_bali.pdf

McC

-- 
===============================
Dr McComas Taylor
Head, South Asia Centre
Faculty of Asian Studies
The Australian National University
ACTON ACT 0200

Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
Fax: +61 2 6125 8326

Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au
URL: http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Dr_McComas_Taylor
Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building 




From a.acri at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Thu Dec 20 12:24:50 2007
From: a.acri at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Acri, A.)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 13:24:50 +0100
Subject: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
In-Reply-To: <4769BA2D.3030806@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227081654.23782.17714814945992681900.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dr. McComas,

thank you for posting this interesting document, which, regrettably,  
I am not able to decipher. I forwarded the file to other scholars and  
they too could not recognize the script.

Could you please send additional information, for instance about the  
context in which the specimen was found? Is it part of an inscription  
(as I suspect)?

Thank you, kind regards

Andrea Acri

CNWS, Leiden University

http://web.mac.com/dwipantara/
a.acri at let.leidenuniv.nl

On Dec 20, 2007, at 1:41 AM, McComas Taylor wrote:

> Dear colleagues
>
> A student sent me this document:
>
> https://alliance.anu.edu.au/access/content/group/977b7a41- 
> c53e-44b9-80cb-d62211333564/unknown_script_from_bali.pdf
>
> Can any of you good folk identify the script and/or help with content?
>
> I would also like to thanks all colleagues on this list for their  
> help, support and collegiality in 2007. I wish you all an enjoyable  
> and refreshing holiday season, and I look forward to interacting  
> with you again in 2008.
>
> Yours
>
> McComas
>
> -- 
> ===============================
> Dr McComas Taylor
> Head, South Asia Centre
> Faculty of Asian Studies
> The Australian National University
> ACTON ACT 0200
>
> Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
> Fax: +61 2 6125 8326
>
> Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au
> URL: http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Dr_McComas_Taylor
> Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building




From zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE  Thu Dec 20 12:55:13 2007
From: zydenbos at UNI-MUENCHEN.DE (Prof. Dr. Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 13:55:13 +0100
Subject: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
In-Reply-To: <4769BA2D.3030806@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227081657.23782.18058683711051745984.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Op Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:41:17 +0100 schreef McComas Taylor <mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU>:

> Dear colleagues
>
> A student sent me this document: [...]

Without being anything like an expert, I assume it is simply Balinese. The script (indeed upside down) resembles Old Javanese script, which again is related to the scripts of South India (particularly Tamil / Grantha). Unfortunately the shapes are not so clear.

> I wish you all an enjoyable and
> refreshing holiday season, and I look forward to interacting with you
> again in 2008.

Same here,

RZ

-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert Zydenbos
Institut f?r Indologie
Universit?t M?nchen
Tel. (+49-89-) 2180-5782
Fax (+49-89-) 2180-5827




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Thu Dec 20 19:22:27 2007
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 14:22:27 -0500
Subject: RISM
In-Reply-To: <F9A595CD-386E-4BCF-A0D0-84B7BDA74BE2@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227081668.23782.13849729747252447783.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It seems to completely gone

I tried everything I can think of

John


On Dec 20, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Arlo Griffiths wrote:

> Does anyone know the up-to-date URL's for the site <http:// 
> www.rism.cn> and esp. the 'Paleaography Section' to which
>
> http://jinajik.blogspot.com/2005/11/rism-peking-university.html
>
> gives further links?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
>
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>




From Arlo.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Thu Dec 20 16:04:15 2007
From: Arlo.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 07 17:04:15 +0100
Subject: RISM
Message-ID: <161227081659.23782.14206097161256566308.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Does anyone know the up-to-date URL's for the site <http:// 
www.rism.cn> and esp. the 'Paleaography Section' to which

http://jinajik.blogspot.com/2005/11/rism-peking-university.html

gives further links?

Thank you!

Arlo Griffiths
Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
<www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>




From LubinT at WLU.EDU  Fri Dec 21 11:51:00 2007
From: LubinT at WLU.EDU (Timothy Lubin)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 07 06:51:00 -0500
Subject: RISM
In-Reply-To: <a06210200c3904d8146dc@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <161227081676.23782.14911789329732264202.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The links given by Paul below all take me to the RISM main page, but the
buttons along the left side of the page, including the one for the
Palaeography page, work for me (i.e., link to pages stored in the
WayBackMachine).  The links to the four ak.sara charts on that page also
still work, but use the PDF versions, since the image-files of the
aksaras themselves on the HTML versions seem to have been lost.
 
I have downloaded it all successfully and can provide, if needed.
 
T
 
 
Timothy Lubin
Associate Professor, Department of Religion
Director, East Asian Studies Program
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, Virginia  USA

lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint 

Tel: 540.458.8146 (office) 
Fax: 540.458.8498

>>> "Paul G. Hackett" <ph2046 at COLUMBIA.EDU> 12/20/2007 11:58 AM >>>
The main site was live as recently as this past Spring, but both that 
site <http://www.rism.cn ( http://www.rism.cn/ )> and its linked site
('Paleography') 
<http://sfl.pku.edu.cn/sanskrit/pale.htm> now appear to be dead.  You 
can however, access some of the main pages of RISM via the Internet 
Archive's "WaybackMachine" at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.rism.cn 

and in particular:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070109164314/http://www.rism.cn/ 
http://web.archive.org/web/20070115164252/http://www.rism.cn/ 

The <http://sfl.pku.edu.cn/sanskrit/pale.htm> page does *not* appear 
to have been archived, however.

Paul Hackett
Columbia University

!SIG:476aa00425441607149194!




From h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX  Fri Dec 21 13:15:23 2007
From: h.arganisjuarez at YAHOO.COM.MX (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 07 07:15:23 -0600
Subject: Asking?
In-Reply-To: <c4c5a5430712210213w4c195869o7b5907d43bd6a7f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227081678.23782.4501126852975444396.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks very much Professor Silk:
  HFAJ

Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at GMAIL.COM> escribi?:
  I cannot help you with the data you seek. But the team which prepared
the report to which you refer has apparently been carrying out
research at the temple in question for a number of years, and their
results (published in a number of journals in the field) are
disturbing--the level of known toxins in the air is generally very
high. The correlate is that home incense buring is also probably a
risky thing to do, since although the amount of incense burned is
smaller, the space is also much smaller, and the air exchange perhaps
also less than in a typical temple--there must be research on this,
but I haven't looked for it. Are there epidemological studies on
Taiwanese or Hong Kong or other Asian monastics? Do they experience
higher than normal lung problems?

Food for thought--JAS

On Dec 20, 2007 5:59 PM, Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez
wrote:
> Dear colleagues:
> In the National Cheung Kung University, Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology (Vol 67, p 332). It is reported studies made by specialists in environmental contamination, inside a temple in the city of Taiwan and those researcher compared the air with taken samples of an intersection of vehicular traffic. They found that air inside the temple there were very high concentrations of hydrocarbons aromatic polic?clicos (PAH), a great group of chemical highly carcinogenic that they are liberated when certain inciense substances are burnt. Is my question now, if there are studies of this in India? Because the Chinese incience is different from the India. Can some body give scientific information in this respect?
> Sincerily
> Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez M.A. Resercher Profesor IBCH, IEFAC, U A de C.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ?Capacidad ilimitada de almacenamiento en tu correo!
> No te preocupes m?s por el espacio de tu cuenta con Correo Yahoo!:
> http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/
>



-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden
Netherlands


       
---------------------------------

?Capacidad ilimitada de almacenamiento en tu correo!
No te preocupes m?s por el espacio de tu cuenta con Correo Yahoo!:
http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/




From asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI  Fri Dec 21 08:10:50 2007
From: asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI (Asko Parpola)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 07 10:10:50 +0200
Subject: Fwd: e-petition to save French research
Message-ID: <161227081671.23782.4265935285597254308.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues, 

While I forward Sophie's appeal I take this opportunity to wish you all 
Happy Christmas and New Year 2008. With best regards, Asko Parpola

----- Forwarded message from Sophie Mery <sophie.mery at mae.u-paris10.fr> ----
    Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:10:39 +0100
    From: Sophie Mery <sophie.mery at mae.u-paris10.fr>
Reply-To: Sophie Mery <sophie.mery at mae.u-paris10.fr>
 Subject: For Asko: e-petition to save French research
      To: Asko Parpola <asko.parpola at helsinki.fi>

Dear  Asko,

Due to prospective government's decision, we already face difficult time 
for research in France, especially at CNRS.

You will find an e-petition in English, from "Sauvons la Recherche" 
Association, proposing an alternative reform of the French higher education 
and research system on the following WEB site :

http://www.sauvonslarecherche.fr/spip.php?article1795

We need many international signatures from researchers, to help us build 
pressure on the French Government in order to have better conditions for 
discussion of an alternative reform.

To sign the petition you must go on the following page, with the text in
French :

http://www.sauvonslarecherche.fr/spip.php?article1772

on the right side of that page
you can enter your Name, Departement, e-mail etc.
Then press the button called "valider".

You will receive after a short while a e-mail of "Sauvons la recherche"
Association saying that you signed the petition.

Please sign this e-petition as and send it as soon as possible  to other 
researchers at the Smithsonian and other American Departments and 
Universities. This is the beginning of our action but again, your help is 
needed from the beginning.

Regards
Dr Sophie M?ry
CNRS- Laboratory ArScan (UMR 7041)
Maison de l'arch?ologie et de l'ethnologie
21 all?e de l'Universit?
92023 Nanterre cedex-France

----- End forwarded message -----


Asko Parpola
Institute for Asian and African Studies
POB 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
FIN-00014 University of Helsinki, Finland




From kauzeya at GMAIL.COM  Fri Dec 21 10:13:59 2007
From: kauzeya at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 07 11:13:59 +0100
Subject: Asking?
In-Reply-To: <69364.16279.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227081673.23782.13885072459428513857.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I cannot help you with the data you seek. But the team which prepared
the report to which you refer has apparently been carrying out
research at the temple in question for a number of years, and their
results (published in a number of journals in the field) are
disturbing--the level of known toxins in the air is generally very
high. The correlate is that home incense buring is also probably a
risky thing to do, since although the amount of incense burned is
smaller, the space is also much smaller, and the air exchange perhaps
also less than in a typical temple--there must be research on this,
but I haven't looked for it. Are there epidemological studies on
Taiwanese or Hong Kong or other Asian monastics? Do they experience
higher than normal lung problems?

Food for thought--JAS

On Dec 20, 2007 5:59 PM, Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez
<h.arganisjuarez at yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
> Dear colleagues:
>   In the National Cheung Kung University, Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology (Vol 67, p 332).  It is reported  studies made by specialists in environmental contamination, inside  a temple in the city of Taiwan and those researcher compared the air with taken samples of an intersection of vehicular traffic. They found that  air inside the temple there were very high concentrations of hydrocarbons aromatic polic?clicos (PAH), a great group of chemical highly carcinogenic that they are liberated when certain inciense substances are burnt. Is my question now, if there are studies of this in India? Because the Chinese incience is different from the India. Can some body give scientific information in this respect?
>   Sincerily
>   Prfr. Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez M.A. Resercher Profesor IBCH, IEFAC, U A de C.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ?Capacidad ilimitada de almacenamiento en tu correo!
> No te preocupes m?s por el espacio de tu cuenta con Correo Yahoo!:
> http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/
>



-- 
J. Silk
Instituut Kern / Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden
Netherlands




From ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA  Fri Dec 21 20:45:21 2007
From: ashok.aklujkar at UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 07 12:45:21 -0800
Subject: Planned journal volume on Dreams and Visions
Message-ID: <161227081680.23782.11883607957943587195.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am only helping the editors mentioned below in spreading word about what
seems to be a well-conceived and timely volume. All inquiries should be
directed to the editors. Sorry for any repeated postings of the announcement
that may come your way.

--- ashok aklujkar


Dreams and Visions in the Indo-Mediterranean world

Dear Colleagues,
 
the Board of Editors of the new interdisciplinary journal Quaderni di Studi
Indo-Mediterranei is soliciting contributions to its second, thematic
volume, scheduled to appear in 2009. This issue will contain about twenty
essays addressing any aspects of onirology and visionarism to be gathered
under the title ?Dreams and Visions?.
Possible topics, to be approached either comparatively and/or thematically,
include:
?     treatises of onirology and their ?migration? from Antiquity to the
Islamic world to Medieval Europe;
?     all aspects of Indo-Iranian onirological and visionary/imaginal
tradition(s);
?     all aspects of dreaming as a divinatory art;
?     all aspects of dreaming in its relashionship to visions and/or
journeys;
?     all aspects of the imaginal (as defined by Corbin) and its presence in
literature and the arts;
?     ancient and medieval dreams in their relashionship to mythology;
?     ancient and medieval dreams in their relashionship to psychoanalysis;
All aspects of literature, the visual arts, philosophy, theology, history of
religions and/or cultures are welcome.
 
Please send proposals for essays (250 to 350 words) accompanied by a short
bio-bibliography and the titles of works to be treated in the proposed essay
to: daniela.boccassini at ubc.ca and carlo.saccone at unibo.it
by: March 15, 2008.
Quaderni di Studi Indo-Mediterranei accepts proposals and essays in all
major European languages.
 
The editors of the volume will strive for a balanced and diversified table
of contents. They will confirm accepted submissions by May 15, 2008.
Subsequently, the final deadline for submitting the complete essays will be
October 15, 2008.
 
 
The journal Quaderni di Studi Indo-Mediterranei is based at the University
of Bologna, Italy, and is supported by ASTREA (Associazione di Studi e
Ricerche Euro-Asiatiche). Editor in Chief: Carlo Saccone; Board of Editors:
Alessandro Grossato, Carlo Saccone, Ermanno Visintainer.
The journal counts among its editorial associates world-renowned specialists
hailing from major European and North American Universities. Quaderni di
Studi Indo-Mediterranei aims to establish a high profile in comparative
studies and is committed to the highest standards of peer-reviewed
scholarship.




From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE  Sat Dec 22 09:45:00 2007
From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 07 09:45:00 +0000
Subject: (Fwd) Job announcements (fwd)
Message-ID: <161227081682.23782.3128775677034182490.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Forwarded at request of Axel Michaels: 

----------------------------------------------------------------
5 Professorships within the Framework of
Transcultural 
Studies


The Heidelberg University Cluster of
Excellence ?Asia 
and Europe in Global Perspective:
Shifting Asymmetries in 
Cultural Flows? brings together
scholars in East and 
South Asian, Middle Eastern and European
Studies. To 
further develop the transcultural and
transdisciplinary 
research potential of the Cluster and to
strengthen its 
capabilities in handling transcultural
flows that cross 
linguistic, geographic, cultural and
media borders, five new 
professorships have been established.
These are in

(a)Intellectual History (with a focus on
translingual 
concepts)
(b)Visual and Media Anthropology 
(c)Art History (with a focus on the
global flow of art 
forms)
(d)Buddhist Studies
(e) Cultural Economic History (with a
focus on South 
Asia)

The professorships will be open in rank
from junior 
professor with tenure option, to full
professor with tenure. 
The Ph.D. dissertation must have been
completed by the 
time of application. 

The Cluster strongly encourages
qualified women scholars 
to apply. Handicapped persons with the
same equivalent 
qualifications will be given
preference.

The positions are open as of now.
Searches will continue 
until the positions are filled. Once a
position is filled, it will be 
announced on the Cluster web-site. Since
the common 
language of the Cluster is English,
proficiency in English is 
required. The positions withal entail
teaching duties, so 
successful candidates are expected to
acquire German 
language skills within three years of
their appointment. All 
successful candidates are expected to
cooperate in the 
development of master and postgraduate
programs with a 
transcultural focus

Further more detailed information see
http://www.vjc.uni-
hd.de/ and
http://www.vjc.uni-hd.de/jobs.htm

Applications are to be submitted until
January 25th, 2008, 
with the usual documentation (C.V., list
of publications, list 
of courses taught, names of three
scholars familiar with your 
work) to

Search Committee 
Joint Committee for Transcultural
Studies Asia and Europe
c/o Prof. Axel Michaels 
University of Heidelberg
South Asia Institute 
Im Neuenheimer Feld 330
D-69120 Heidelberg
Germany
For online applications (recommended): 
mailto:Axel.Michaels at urz.uni-heidelberg.de

--- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht
/ End of forwarded 
message ---

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Associate Editor, ZDMG (South Asian and
Tibetan Studies)
Professor and Chair, Institute for
Indology
Department of Ancient Civilizations
Martin Luther-Universitaet
Halle-Wittenberg
Emil-Abderhalden-Str. 9
D-06108 Halle (Germany)
Phone: +49-(0)345-55-23650, Fax: -27139
www.indologie.uni-halle.de

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac
polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore
culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam
captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux
eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius
effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris
MCMLXXXIII.




From tccahill at LOYNO.EDU  Mon Dec 24 14:02:36 2007
From: tccahill at LOYNO.EDU (tccahill)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 07 08:02:36 -0600
Subject: Happy Holiday!
Message-ID: <161227081685.23782.15660493527618272963.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Rosane,

   Sorry that I haven't been able to catch you on the phone.
 I tried a few times this week and once about a month back
but without success. Also sorry to hear the news about
Walter Maurer. After talking to you and Ludo last time I
realized he probably wouldn't be with us much longer.  Is
Geraldine now in an institution somewhere?  I really can't
imagine her on her own.

   Minoo and I are well settled here in Pondicherry. This is
a great place to get work done and fairly comfortable to
live, also.  I have enjoyed meeting Dominic Goodall
--recently finished going through his Raghuvamsa edition.
That a very fine piece of scholarship and I'm glad to see
that he and Harunaga will be getting the second volume out
soon.  I've also struck up a relationship with Anjaneya
Sarma, a vaiyakarana from Andhra Pradesh. We have several
common acquantainces from Vizag, Rajahmundry and Vijaywada.
We're planning to read some Alamkarasastra texts soon,
together with some grammar, I'm sure!  Francois Grimal is
another grammar scholar affiliated with the institute. I
wasn't aware of his work on Bhavabhuti, nor aware that he is
now working on the Kavyadarpana --a 17th century alamkara
text. We plan to compare notes on our Jagannatha and
Rajacudamani diksita some time soon.

   We will be touring Delhi, Agra and Jaipur with Minoo's
sister Maryam from the 28th to Jan. 2. (A real whirlwind
tour!) I'll bring a book or two, but I'm not optimistic
about getting much work done. One good thing is that I've
already updated my Alamakarasastra bibliography, and revised
the introduction and notes to the RG. So it's been a
productive time so far.  Minoo leaves for Iran in mid-Jan.
and I'll be heading out of India (somewhere) shortly after
that. (I have to leave and return to avoid visa
complications.)

   I imagine that the two of you are socked away in the
Poconos looking at snow. Wish I could have talked to you on
the phone --*before* the recent Eagles-Saints game, of
course!

   Minoo and I send our very best to you for the New Year!
Perhaps we will be able to fit in a trip to Philadelphia on
our way back down to New Orleans this summer.

With warmest thoughts,
Tim




From emstern at VERIZON.NET  Mon Dec 24 14:50:28 2007
From: emstern at VERIZON.NET (Elliot M. Stern)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 07 09:50:28 -0500
Subject: Happy Holiday!
In-Reply-To: <476fbbfc.3ba.1c9180.10820@loyno.edu>
Message-ID: <161227081687.23782.11245791549507535417.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Tim,

Best to you and Minoo as well. I think you mistakenly posted this  
message to Indology.

Elliot

On 24 Dec  2007, at 9:02 AM, tccahill wrote:

> Dear Rosane,
>
>   Sorry that I haven't been able to catch you on the phone.
> I tried a few times this week and once about a month back
> but without success. Also sorry to hear the news about
> Walter Maurer. After talking to you and Ludo last time I
> realized he probably wouldn't be with us much longer.  Is
> Geraldine now in an institution somewhere?  I really can't
> imagine her on her own.
>
>   Minoo and I are well settled here in Pondicherry. This is
> a great place to get work done and fairly comfortable to
> live, also.  I have enjoyed meeting Dominic Goodall
> --recently finished going through his Raghuvamsa edition.
> That a very fine piece of scholarship and I'm glad to see
> that he and Harunaga will be getting the second volume out
> soon.  I've also struck up a relationship with Anjaneya
> Sarma, a vaiyakarana from Andhra Pradesh. We have several
> common acquantainces from Vizag, Rajahmundry and Vijaywada.
> We're planning to read some Alamkarasastra texts soon,
> together with some grammar, I'm sure!  Francois Grimal is
> another grammar scholar affiliated with the institute. I
> wasn't aware of his work on Bhavabhuti, nor aware that he is
> now working on the Kavyadarpana --a 17th century alamkara
> text. We plan to compare notes on our Jagannatha and
> Rajacudamani diksita some time soon.
>
>   We will be touring Delhi, Agra and Jaipur with Minoo's
> sister Maryam from the 28th to Jan. 2. (A real whirlwind
> tour!) I'll bring a book or two, but I'm not optimistic
> about getting much work done. One good thing is that I've
> already updated my Alamakarasastra bibliography, and revised
> the introduction and notes to the RG. So it's been a
> productive time so far.  Minoo leaves for Iran in mid-Jan.
> and I'll be heading out of India (somewhere) shortly after
> that. (I have to leave and return to avoid visa
> complications.)
>
>   I imagine that the two of you are socked away in the
> Poconos looking at snow. Wish I could have talked to you on
> the phone --*before* the recent Eagles-Saints game, of
> course!
>
>   Minoo and I send our very best to you for the New Year!
> Perhaps we will be able to fit in a trip to Philadelphia on
> our way back down to New Orleans this summer.
>
> With warmest thoughts,
> Tim

Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
emstern at verizon.net




From emstern at VERIZON.NET  Mon Dec 24 14:57:14 2007
From: emstern at VERIZON.NET (Elliot M. Stern)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 07 09:57:14 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Happy Holiday!
Message-ID: <161227081689.23782.3267603992397024485.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I apologize for mistakenly posting this reply to the Indology list.

Elliot

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Elliot M. Stern" <emstern at VERIZON.NET>
> Date: 24 December  2007 9:50:28 AM EST
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Happy Holiday!
> Reply-To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>
> Tim,
>
> Best to you and Minoo as well. I think you mistakenly posted this  
> message to Indology.
>
> Elliot
>
> On 24 Dec  2007, at 9:02 AM, tccahill wrote:
>
>> Dear Rosane,
>>
>>  Sorry that I haven't been able to catch you on the phone.
>> I tried a few times this week and once about a month back
>> but without success. Also sorry to hear the news about
>> Walter Maurer. After talking to you and Ludo last time I
>> realized he probably wouldn't be with us much longer.  Is
>> Geraldine now in an institution somewhere?  I really can't
>> imagine her on her own.
>>
>>  Minoo and I are well settled here in Pondicherry. This is
>> a great place to get work done and fairly comfortable to
>> live, also.  I have enjoyed meeting Dominic Goodall
>> --recently finished going through his Raghuvamsa edition.
>> That a very fine piece of scholarship and I'm glad to see
>> that he and Harunaga will be getting the second volume out
>> soon.  I've also struck up a relationship with Anjaneya
>> Sarma, a vaiyakarana from Andhra Pradesh. We have several
>> common acquantainces from Vizag, Rajahmundry and Vijaywada.
>> We're planning to read some Alamkarasastra texts soon,
>> together with some grammar, I'm sure!  Francois Grimal is
>> another grammar scholar affiliated with the institute. I
>> wasn't aware of his work on Bhavabhuti, nor aware that he is
>> now working on the Kavyadarpana --a 17th century alamkara
>> text. We plan to compare notes on our Jagannatha and
>> Rajacudamani diksita some time soon.
>>
>>  We will be touring Delhi, Agra and Jaipur with Minoo's
>> sister Maryam from the 28th to Jan. 2. (A real whirlwind
>> tour!) I'll bring a book or two, but I'm not optimistic
>> about getting much work done. One good thing is that I've
>> already updated my Alamakarasastra bibliography, and revised
>> the introduction and notes to the RG. So it's been a
>> productive time so far.  Minoo leaves for Iran in mid-Jan.
>> and I'll be heading out of India (somewhere) shortly after
>> that. (I have to leave and return to avoid visa
>> complications.)
>>
>>  I imagine that the two of you are socked away in the
>> Poconos looking at snow. Wish I could have talked to you on
>> the phone --*before* the recent Eagles-Saints game, of
>> course!
>>
>>  Minoo and I send our very best to you for the New Year!
>> Perhaps we will be able to fit in a trip to Philadelphia on
>> our way back down to New Orleans this summer.
>>
>> With warmest thoughts,
>> Tim
>
> Elliot M. Stern
> 552 South 48th Street
> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
> United States of America
> telephone: 215-747-6204
> mobile: 267-240-8418
> emstern at verizon.net

Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
emstern at verizon.net




From jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR  Tue Dec 25 14:29:22 2007
From: jean-luc.chevillard at UNIV-PARIS-DIDEROT.FR (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 07 15:29:22 +0100
Subject: Looking for Tamil works on 12th cent. A.D. cadjan leaves              (preserved in Tibet??)
Message-ID: <161227081691.23782.4163623187482315363.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues,

In a 1973 book (_The Smile of Murugan_, E.J. Brill, p.23),
Professor K.Zvelebil, referring to a 1965 book by prof. TPM, writes that:

"photostat copies of Tamil works on cadjan leaves of the 12th cent. 
A.D.  were made;
the manuscripts were preserved in the much more favorable climate of 
Tibet. But, so far,
they do not seem to be available for study."


And indeed, in his 1965 book (_A History of Tamil Literature_, Annamalai 
University),
professor TPM (= T.P. Meenakshisundaram [1901-1980]),
without mentioning any source of information, writes that:

"photostat copies of Tamil works in the cadjan leaves of the 12th cent. 
A.D.
preserved in the much more favorable climate of Tibet, have been made. 
Unfortunately
we cannot say whether they are at present available for study."

Does any one know whether such manuscripts
are indeed kept somewhere
and are available for consultation?

Yours with good wishes

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard (CNRS, Universit? Paris-Diderot)




From hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM  Wed Dec 26 08:16:03 2007
From: hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM (James Hartzell)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 07 10:16:03 +0200
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <1DB56617-2DD9-4DC6-B214-D8EEB9721E91@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <161227081693.23782.17173931663348253593.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Seasons Greetings

Many thanks to all who posted useful info about Mac Devanagari.   
Apologies for being so ignorant, but might someone send instructions  
on how to use both diacritics and devanagari in Nisus Writer Pro and  
NeoOffice?

James Hartzell

On 15 Dec 2007, at 6:27 PM, George Hart wrote:

> The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word  
> processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are  
> built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming  
> out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus  
> reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.   
> TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well  
> with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the  
> like.  George Hart
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:
>
>> Dear James Hartzell,
>>
>> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
>> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not  
>> working
>> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>>
>> Best regards from T?bingen,
>> Heike Moser
>>
>>
>> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
>> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>>
>>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help  
>>> of
>>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot  
>>> type
>>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>>
>>> James Hartzell
>>> Durban, South Africa
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>>> Hope it will help.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards
>>>> Nivedita,
>>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>>> seems sincere.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> Harsha
>>>>
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/




From mjslouber at BERKELEY.EDU  Wed Dec 26 18:41:56 2007
From: mjslouber at BERKELEY.EDU (Michael Slouber)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 07 10:41:56 -0800
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <1AE5D74C-F410-452C-AB12-9EF9452CF7EA@alma.unibo.it>
Message-ID: <161227081697.23782.6446475333328620535.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

A few more specifics on Mac diacritics and Devanagari:

I find the EasyUnicode keyboard layout more convenient than the "US-
extended" layout.  Easy Unicode can be downloaded by the following link:

http://depts.washington.edu/ebmp/downloads/EasyUnicode4.zip?PHPSESSID=b00d228981ebaeba23070d313b87675f

Follow the readme instructions to put the layout files in your keyboard
folder, then you can go to Preferences --> International --> Input Menu
and select the EasyUnicode check box from the list (if it isn't there you
might need to restart the computer).  This is also a good time to make
sure the check boxes for Keyboard Viewer and Character Palette are
checked.  This lets you see and change the keyboard of choice on the top
right of your desktop.  You can also set a keyboard shortcut in this Input
Menu window.
Once the EasyUnicode keyboard is checked, you simply switch to it (by
clicking the flag or using a keyboard shortcut), then open any application
(such as TextEdit) and begin typing. By holding down the option/alt key
and pushing "a" you get a long a.  The rest are intuitive but are also
listed in the readme file.

The Devanagari keyboard (I prefer "DevanagariQwerty") can also be
activated in the previously used input menu.  You can change to it through
the flag at the top right as before, and type in any application. To form
a conjunct simply type the first consonant, followed by an "f" then the
next consonant.  The correct conjunct will automatically by generated. 
Simplicity itself.

Good Luck,

Michael Slouber
UC Berkeley


> You can always change fonts and keyboard outlay (flag icon on upper
> right) as-you-write -- this is application-independent, and should
> work with both programs. If you do not have the Devanagari and
> Devanagari QWERTY flags, they need to be installed from your system
> disk or be implemented if already on your hard disk. Check in System
> Preferences --> International to see if you already have what you need
> there!
> Cheers and Happy Boxing Day,
> Alex
>
> On 26/12/2007, at 9:16 AM, James Hartzell wrote:
>
> Seasons Greetings
>
> Many thanks to all who posted useful info about Mac Devanagari.
> Apologies for being so ignorant, but might someone send instructions
> on how to use both diacritics and devanagari in Nisus Writer Pro and
> NeoOffice?
>
> James Hartzell
>
> On 15 Dec 2007, at 6:27 PM, George Hart wrote:
>
>> The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word
>> processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are
>> built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming
>> out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus
>> reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.
>> TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well
>> with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the
>> like.  George Hart
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:
>>
>>> Dear James Hartzell,
>>>
>>> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
>>> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not
>>> working
>>> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>>>
>>> Best regards from T?bingen,
>>> Heike Moser
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
>>> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>>>
>>>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help
>>>> of
>>>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>>>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>>>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>>>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot
>>>> type
>>>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>>>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>>>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>>>
>>>> James Hartzell
>>>> Durban, South Africa
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>>>> Hope it will help.
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards
>>>>> Nivedita,
>>>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>>>
>>>>> Friends:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>>>> seems sincere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Harsha
>>>>>
>>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
>
> Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
> Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
> e Orientali
> Universit? di Bologna,
> Via Zamboni 33
> Bologna, 40126, Italy.
>
> a.passi at alma.unibo.it
> alexpassi at gmail.com
> +39-051-209.8472
> cellphone +39-338.269.4933
> fax +39-051-209.8443.
>
>
>
> Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
> Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
> e Orientali
> Universit? di Bologna,
> Via Zamboni 33
> Bologna, 40126, Italy.
>
> a.passi at alma.unibo.it
> alexpassi at gmail.com
> +39-051-209.8472
> cellphone +39-338.269.4933
> fax +39-051-209.8443.
>




From a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT  Wed Dec 26 10:30:20 2007
From: a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT (Alex Passi)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 07 11:30:20 +0100
Subject: Mac-Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <A22F42E1-F71A-4705-B14F-DCE39EB401FC@sentechsa.com>
Message-ID: <161227081695.23782.12592748962362226411.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

You can always change fonts and keyboard outlay (flag icon on upper  
right) as-you-write -- this is application-independent, and should  
work with both programs. If you do not have the Devanagari and  
Devanagari QWERTY flags, they need to be installed from your system  
disk or be implemented if already on your hard disk. Check in System  
Preferences --> International to see if you already have what you need  
there!
Cheers and Happy Boxing Day,
Alex

On 26/12/2007, at 9:16 AM, James Hartzell wrote:

Seasons Greetings

Many thanks to all who posted useful info about Mac Devanagari.   
Apologies for being so ignorant, but might someone send instructions  
on how to use both diacritics and devanagari in Nisus Writer Pro and  
NeoOffice?

James Hartzell

On 15 Dec 2007, at 6:27 PM, George Hart wrote:

> The OS X version of Nisus Writer Pro is an extremely good word  
> processor and works well with unicode (both Devanagari and Tamil are  
> built-in to Leopard and Tiger).  I think the new Word for Mac coming  
> out in January may not handle unicode properly -- we'll see.  Nisus  
> reads and writes Word files and uses rtf as its default format.   
> TextEdit (which is free and also comes with the OS) also works well  
> with unicode.  But of course TextEdit won't do footnotes and the  
> like.  George Hart
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Heike Moser wrote:
>
>> Dear James Hartzell,
>>
>> The Mac Unicode-Devanagari works very well in NeoOffice:
>> http://www.neooffice.org/ - that the combiantion characters are not  
>> working
>> in Word seems to be one of many Microsoft problems ...
>>
>> Best regards from T?bingen,
>> Heike Moser
>>
>>
>> Am 15.12.2007 12:57 Uhr schrieb "James Hartzell" unter
>> <hartzell at SENTECHSA.COM>:
>>
>>> I have a similar question as Prof. Dehejia for Mac.  With the help  
>>> of
>>> Iyanaga Nobumi in Japan i've managed to get his Asian Extended Fonts
>>> input method working nicely for diacritics for MS-Word for Mac (OSX
>>> 10.4), but cannot get decent Devanagari fonts to type with (those
>>> that come with Mac OSC Tiger don't really work, since one cannot  
>>> type
>>> in combination characters), and i haven't found any others that work
>>> on Macs.  I'll have OSX Leopard working shortly and will report on
>>> whether that allows Devanagari input in Word.
>>>
>>> James Hartzell
>>> Durban, South Africa
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2007, at 7:09 AM, Nivedita Rout wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Prof. dehejia,
>>>> The software 'Itranslator' works very well for Sanskrit language in
>>>> devanagari and transliteration. Another programme called 'MikeTex'
>>>> which is most used by western scholars are one of the advance
>>>> programmes for convertion of Devanagari and roman transliteration.
>>>> Hope it will help.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards
>>>> Nivedita,
>>>> EFEO, Pondicherry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 15 December, 2007 5:27:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Sanskrit Software
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> I have had an inquiry from a Vedic scholar in California and he
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "I would like to create a professional software package, an 'add-
>>>> on' that operates directly within Microsoft Office. Such software
>>>> would give users a common platform for efficiently typing Sanskrit
>>>> from a Romanized (English) keyboard directly into MSWord. Users
>>>> would be able to do so in Devanagari or transliteration, or by
>>>> toggling from one to the other. My hope is to distribute such a
>>>> package free of cost over the internet and, in doing so, create a
>>>> common platform for all who create full or part-Sanskrit documents,
>>>> publish them, or simply use them. Academic or student, mystic or
>>>> pragmatist, Westerner or Indian, if someone has MSWord, they'll be
>>>> able to use what I envision. "
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if this exists?  If not what shall I tell him. He
>>>> seems sincere.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and Season's Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> Harsha
>>>>
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>> Professor of Indian Studies, Carleton University
>>>> Ottawa, ON. Canada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://
>>>> help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/

Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
e Orientali
Universit? di Bologna,
Via Zamboni 33
Bologna, 40126, Italy.

a.passi at alma.unibo.it
alexpassi at gmail.com
+39-051-209.8472
cellphone +39-338.269.4933
fax +39-051-209.8443.



Alex (Alessandro) Passi,
Dipartimento Studi Linguistici
e Orientali
Universit? di Bologna,
Via Zamboni 33
Bologna, 40126, Italy.

a.passi at alma.unibo.it
alexpassi at gmail.com
+39-051-209.8472
cellphone +39-338.269.4933
fax +39-051-209.8443.




From McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU  Fri Dec 28 00:47:58 2007
From: McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 07 11:47:58 +1100
Subject: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
In-Reply-To: <5F074072-726B-449A-8D65-CEAF07844297@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227081700.23782.18178347096882287919.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Andrea

Many thanks for your interest in this document. It is on palmleaf and was purchased in a markey in Bali. I assume it is contemporary.

I'd be most grateful for any help you can offer

Yours

McComas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Acri, A." <a.acri at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
Date: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: Unknown script from Bali and season's greetings
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk

> Dear Dr. McComas,
>
> thank you for posting this interesting document, which,
> regrettably, 
> I am not able to decipher. I forwarded the file to other
> scholars and 
> they too could not recognize the script.
>
> Could you please send additional information, for instance about
> the 
> context in which the specimen was found? Is it part of an
> inscription 
> (as I suspect)?
>
> Thank you, kind regards
>
> Andrea Acri
>
> CNWS, Leiden University
>
> http://web.mac.com/dwipantara/
> a.acri at let.leidenuniv.nl
>
> On Dec 20, 2007, at 1:41 AM, McComas Taylor wrote:
>
> > Dear colleagues
> >
> > A student sent me this document:
> >
> > https://alliance.anu.edu.au/access/content/group/977b7a41-
> > c53e-44b9-80cb-d62211333564/unknown_script_from_bali.pdf
> >
> > Can any of you good folk identify the script and/or help with
> content?>
> > I would also like to thanks all colleagues on this list for
> their 
> > help, support and collegiality in 2007. I wish you all an
> enjoyable 
> > and refreshing holiday season, and I look forward to
> interacting 
> > with you again in 2008.
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > McComas
> >
> > --
> > ===============================
> > Dr McComas Taylor
> > Head, South Asia Centre
> > Faculty of Asian Studies
> > The Australian National University
> > ACTON ACT 0200
> >
> > Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
> > Fax: +61 2 6125 8326
> >
> > Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au
> > URL: http://asianstudies.anu.edu.au/wiki/index.php/Dr_McComas_Taylor
> > Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building
>




From utkragh at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Sun Dec 30 02:19:35 2007
From: utkragh at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Ulrich Timme Kragh)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 07 21:19:35 -0500
Subject: NGMCP Newsletter, No. 5
In-Reply-To: <0A90F3C3-92ED-4437-A9C8-23F7AF44F18E@uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <161227081703.23782.2071409265698728341.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Kengo,
could you please change my email address on your NGMCP newsletter mailing list?
My new email is utkragh at hum.ku.dk

Many thanks,
Ulrich
______________________
Dr. Ulrich Timme Kragh
Visiting Assistant Professor
Dept. of Religion, Florida State University
M05 Dodd Hall
Tallahassee, 32306 Florida
Tel. +1-850 644 9879


Quoting Kengo Harimoto <kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE>:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> The Nepalese-German Manuscript Cataloguing Project (NGMCP) is pleased
> to announce the fifth issue of the _Newsletter of the NGMCP_.   PDF
> versions of the Newsletter are now available at the University of
> Hamburg website:
>
>
http://www.uni-hamburg.de/fachbereiche-einrichtungen/indologie/ngmcp/newsletter_e.html
>
> As usual, there are two versions: full and light.  The full version is
> about 11 MB, and the light version is about 2.7 MB.  The difference is
> in the quality of the graphics.
>
> ------
> Contents of The Newsletter of the NGMCP, No. 5, October-November 2007:
>
> "Editorial" by Harunaga Isaacson
>
> "Recent Developments at the Nepal Research Centre Including the Work
> of the NGMCP from October 2006 to September 2007" by Albrecht Hanisch
>
> "Newly Discovered Stanzas of the Param??rthasev?? by Pu??????ar??ka" by
> Francesco Sferra
>
> "The Manuscripts of the Kriy??k??lagu???ottara"  by Michael Slouber
>
> "A Fragment of the ??gama????stravivara???a" by Kengo Harimoto
>
> "Notes on a V??r?????as??m??h??tmya Compendium" by Peter Bisschop
>
> "Book Announcement"
>
> "Some Highlights of the Work of a ???Frequent User??? of the NGMPP
> (IV)" by Michael Hahn
>
> --------------------
> The NGMCP is a project funded by the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft
> (German Research Foundation).
>
> For correspondence:
>
> NGMCP
> Abteilung f??r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
> Asien-Afrika-Institut
> Universit??t Hamburg
> Edmund-Siemers-Allee 1 (Hauptgeb??ude)
> D-20146 Hamburg
> Germany
> E-mail: ngmcp at uni-hamburg.de
> Telephone: +49 40 42838-6269
>
> --
> Kengo Harimoto
> kengo.harimoto at uni-hamburg.de
> Nepalese-German Manuscript Cataloguing Project
> Abteilung fuer Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
> Universitaet Hamburg - Asien-Afrika-Institut
>