From zysk at HUM.KU.DK  Wed Nov  1 08:32:04 2006
From: zysk at HUM.KU.DK (Kenneth Zysk)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 06 09:32:04 +0100
Subject: NGMCP Newsletter, No. 2
Message-ID: <161227078620.23782.6922883595319076780.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have been trying in vain to obtain any copy of the newsletter, but alas 
there is only a blank screen. Suggestions?

Best,
Ken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kengo Harimoto" <kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: NGMCP Newsletter, No. 2


Dear Colleagues,

The Nepalese-German Manuscript Cataloguing Project (NGMCP) is pleased
to announce the second issue of _The Newsletter of the NGMCP_.   PDF
versions of the Newsletter are now available at the University of
Hamburg website:

http://www.uni-hamburg.de/fachbereiche-einrichtungen/indologie/ngmcp/
newsletter_e.html

or if the site has not been updated, one can obtain the PDF files
directly from:

http://134.100.72.204:3000/newsletter/ngmcpnl2_light.pdf
(about 1 MB, with low resolution graphics for onscreen viewing and
printing at home/office)

http://134.100.72.204:3000/newsletter/ngmcpnl2.pdf
(about 5 MB, with high resolution graphics)

------
Contents of The Newsletter of the NGMCP, No. 2, October 2006:

     "Editorial" by Harunaga Isaacson

     "A Brief Note on Har?ap?la's Commentary on the Prakrit K?vya
Setubandha" by
         Diwakar Acharya

     "Bilingual Sanskrit-Tibetan Glosses in a Nepalese MS of the
Ratna?r???k?" by
         Dragomir Dimitrov

     "Some Highlights of the Work of a `Frequent User? of the NGMPP
(II)"
         by Michael Hahn

     "Book announcements"

     "The The ??mabheda of Mahe?vara (Part 1)" by Oliver Hahn

     "NGMCP Online Database" by Kengo Harimoto

--------------------
The NGMCP is a project funded by the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft
(German Research Foundation).

For correspondence:

NGMCP
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Telephone: +49 40 42838-6269
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(A word on the web pages of the NGMCP hosted at the University of
Hamburg website:  We are currently reorganizing/updating information
on the NGMCP.  We do not guarantee the accuracy of information found
on the site.)

-- 
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Universitaet Hamburg - Asien-Afrika-Institut
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phone: +49-40-42838-6269




From kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Wed Nov  1 11:31:50 2006
From: kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Kengo Harimoto)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 06 12:31:50 +0100
Subject: NGMCP Newsletter, No. 2
In-Reply-To: <002801c6fd90$3849dac0$ef0b5c53@KGZysk>
Message-ID: <161227078623.23782.5285159341360090094.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Professor Zysk,

I will send you the light version in a separate mail.

Also, if other people had difficulty downloading the newsletter,  
please send a personal note to me.  I will send the newsletter  
directly to them.

Nonetheless, the newsletter _should_ download fine by now.

All the Best,

-- 
kengo




From kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Tue Nov  7 15:10:00 2006
From: kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Kengo Harimoto)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 06 16:10:00 +0100
Subject: Newsletter of the NGMCP, No. 2 available on paper
Message-ID: <161227078626.23782.18015455104052519186.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

Thanks, first of all, for your interest in our newsletter.  We have  
seen quite a few downloads.

We will soon have some paper copies of the newsletter, no. 2,  
available.  If anybody wishes to have the newsletter printed on nice  
paper, please send a request to nrc at wlink.com.np with your postal  
address.  We will have a copy sent to you when they are ready.

***Please DO NOT reply to this message posted to Indology.  If you  
simply click the Reply button, the message will be posted to  
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-- 
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From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Thu Nov 16 15:15:47 2006
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 07:15:47 -0800
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <E4F6F36F6B0C7B409966C9B72424581495481D@ECLUST2-VS4.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227078642.23782.8994277742623790574.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

context-sensitive modification/adaptation/substitution


> From: Indology on behalf of Lars Martin Fosse
> Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 5:14 AM

>a good English translation of the grammatical term Uha<




From sanjay.kumar at MAIL.MCGILL.CA  Thu Nov 16 12:47:18 2006
From: sanjay.kumar at MAIL.MCGILL.CA (Sanjay Kumar)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 07:47:18 -0500
Subject: sUta
Message-ID: <161227078635.23782.437218164246711981.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

shri-McComas-mahodayaah, adho-nirdiSTau nibandhau roceyaataam:
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Of Sudras, Sutas, and Slokas: Why is the Mahabharata Preeminently in the Anustubh Metre? 

Journal                        Indo-Iranian Journal <http://www.springerlink.com/content/1572-8536/> 

Publisher                    Springer Netherlands

Issue                           Volume 43, Number 3 / September, 2000 <http://www.springerlink.com/content/nkj30c6tcwjj/> 

Pages                         225-278

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The Vahivanca Barots of Gujarat: A Caste of Genealogists and Mythographers 

A. M. Shah; R. G. Shroff 

The Journal of American Folklore, Vol. 71, No. 281, Traditional India: Structure and Change. (Jul. - Sep., 1958), pp. 246-276. 

----------------------------------------------- 

Sanjay Kumar

Faculty of Religious Studies

McGill University, Montreal, Canada


________________________________

From: Indology on behalf of McComas Taylor
Sent: Thu 16/11/2006 12:16 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: sUta



priyiANi mitrANI
api kazcit sUta iti padasya visaye zodhkaryaM kRtavAn

I wonder if any of you good folk can help me find some information on
the word 'sUta', sometimes translated as 'bard'? I don't have access to
Rocher's book on the Puranas at the moment. There does not seem to be
anything on JSTOR or BAS.

With thanks in advance.

McComas

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===============================
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The Australian National University
ACTON ACT 0200

Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
Fax: +61 2 6125 8326

Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au

Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Thu Nov 16 17:45:46 2006
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 09:45:46 -0800
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <001a01c70995$bcf4b7c0$5870d154@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227078646.23782.16665851831029122237.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Lars,

Uha becomes a technical term primarily in MImA.msA. In its use there, the
ultimate concern is with form. The chosen form of the expression may be
conditioned by the contextually required meaning, but the substitution
itself is not thought of as one of meaning. In Uha one changes the form of a
Vedic sentence (temporarily and without damaging the MImA.msA thesis of
eternality of Vedic sentences).

Following the MImA.msA, Uha is sometimes used for substitutions in non-Vedic
sentences (in the discussions in texts on poetics, grammar etc.), but there
too the ultimate interest is in the form.

In other words, we should distinguish between the technical and
non-technical uses. The technical arises out of the non-technical or
ordinary language use in the sense of 'guess, infer' as in the case of many
other technical terms in Skt, but is form-oriented and similar to adhyAhAra.
The KS use you mention is probably non-technical and similar to the ordinary
language use of tarka.

ashok


> From: Lars Martin Fosse <lmfosse at CHELLO.NO>
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:41:52 +0100

> However, it might perhaps be an idea to add "semantic":
> "context-sensitive semantic modification/adaptation/substitution".
> 
> My question relates to a passage in the Kamasutra, where "inferred meaning"
> would probably do as well, since the reader most likely would have other
> things to think about than the technicalities of linguistic terminology.




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Thu Nov 16 14:46:56 2006
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Deshpande, Madhav)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: Uha
Message-ID: <161227078640.23782.13144494141584794974.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

You may find some useful discussion of Uha in the context of Sanskrit grammar by Johannes Bronkhorst in his article "Panini and the Veda Reconsidered," published in Paninian Studies: Professor S.D. Joshi Felicitation Volume, edited by M. Deshpande and Saroja Bhate, published by Center for South and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, 1991.  On p. 83, Bronkhorst renders Uha as: " the adjustments Vedic mantras undergo to make them fit for other ritual contexts."  In addition to this aspect, I would suggest that the word Uha carries with it the meaning of "inferred" from the context.  This is how Patanjali and the commentators use the term uhitavyam in many places.


Madhav M. Deshpande




-----Original Message-----
From: Indology on behalf of Lars Martin Fosse
Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 5:14 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Uha
 
Dear members of the list,
 
I have tried to find a good English translation of the grammatical term Uha,
and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found. Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
out there with a good suggestion? Something that sounds "modern"?
 
Lars Martin Fosse
 

From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail:  <mailto:lmfosse at chello.no> lmfosse at chello.no
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164 



 




From lmfosse at CHELLO.NO  Thu Nov 16 10:14:48 2006
From: lmfosse at CHELLO.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 11:14:48 +0100
Subject: Uha
Message-ID: <161227078633.23782.18420801739273054297.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear members of the list,
 
I have tried to find a good English translation of the grammatical term Uha,
and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found. Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
out there with a good suggestion? Something that sounds "modern"?
 
Lars Martin Fosse
 

From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail:  <mailto:lmfosse at chello.no> lmfosse at chello.no
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164 



 




From nlpdept at YAHOO.CO.IN  Thu Nov 16 13:23:23 2006
From: nlpdept at YAHOO.CO.IN (Srinivasa Varakhedi)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 13:23:23 +0000
Subject: Economic development in Mahabharata
In-Reply-To: <AB941C7D7D110F4EA66C7DC1A42465E16DC332@EXCHANGE2VS4.campus.mcgill.ca>
Message-ID: <161227078637.23782.1902296404846285052.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dears,
   
  Could anyone of you help me to get some information on `economic development in Mahabharata' ? pl suggest any online resource or publication.
   
  regards,
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From mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU  Thu Nov 16 05:16:08 2006
From: mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 16:16:08 +1100
Subject: sUta
Message-ID: <161227078631.23782.6077698579147190904.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

priyiANi mitrANI
api kazcit sUta iti padasya visaye zodhkaryaM kRtavAn

I wonder if any of you good folk can help me find some information on 
the word 'sUta', sometimes translated as 'bard'? I don't have access to 
Rocher's book on the Puranas at the moment. There does not seem to be 
anything on JSTOR or BAS.

With thanks in advance.

McComas

-- 
===============================
Dr McComas Taylor
Head, South Asia Centre
Faculty of Asian Studies
The Australian National University
ACTON ACT 0200

Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
Fax: +61 2 6125 8326

Email: mccomas.taylor at anu.edu.au

Location: Room E4.26 Baldessin Precinct Building 




From lmfosse at CHELLO.NO  Thu Nov 16 15:41:52 2006
From: lmfosse at CHELLO.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 16:41:52 +0100
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <E4F6F36F6B0C7B409966C9B72424581495481D@ECLUST2-VS4.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227078644.23782.8057809728090946966.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks to Madhav and Ashok! 

My own understanding was that it was "inferred meaning". 

"Context-sensitive modification/adaptation/substitution" is of course more
elegant. However, it might perhaps be an idea to add "semantic":
"context-sensitive semantic modification/adaptation/substitution". 

My question relates to a passage in the Kamasutra, where "inferred meaning"
would probably do as well, since the reader most likely would have other
things to think about than the technicalities of linguistic terminology. 

Lars Martin

 

From: 
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse 
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 
0674 Oslo - Norway 
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250 
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 
E-mail: lmfosse at chello.no 
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164



 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of 
> Deshpande, Madhav
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:47 PM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Uha
> 
> You may find some useful discussion of Uha in the context of 
> Sanskrit grammar by Johannes Bronkhorst in his article 
> "Panini and the Veda Reconsidered," published in Paninian 
> Studies: Professor S.D. Joshi Felicitation Volume, edited by 
> M. Deshpande and Saroja Bhate, published by Center for South 
> and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Michigan, Ann 
> Arbor, 1991.  On p. 83, Bronkhorst renders Uha as: " the 
> adjustments Vedic mantras undergo to make them fit for other 
> ritual contexts."  In addition to this aspect, I would 
> suggest that the word Uha carries with it the meaning of 
> "inferred" from the context.  This is how Patanjali and the 
> commentators use the term uhitavyam in many places.
> 
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology on behalf of Lars Martin Fosse
> Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 5:14 AM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Uha
>  
> Dear members of the list,
>  
> I have tried to find a good English translation of the 
> grammatical term Uha, and I am not sure I am happy with what 
> I have found. Is there a vaiyAkaraNa out there with a good 
> suggestion? Something that sounds "modern"?
>  
> Lars Martin Fosse
>  
> 
> From:
> Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
> Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
> 0674 Oslo - Norway
> Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250 Mobile phone: +47 
> 90 91 91 45
> E-mail:  <mailto:lmfosse at chello.no> lmfosse at chello.no
> http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Thu Nov 16 18:28:14 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 18:28:14 +0000
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <002101c70968$0c209860$5870d154@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227078649.23782.7299370622521797920.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Lars Martin Fosse wrote:

> Dear members of the list,
>
> I have tried to find a good English translation of the grammatical term Uha,
> and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found. Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
> out there with a good suggestion? Something that sounds "modern"?


Of course sentences have meaning, not words :-), so it's hard to answer 
without the context.  But "adaptation" catches some of the word's use in a 
single "modern" word.

Dominik




From lmfosse at CHELLO.NO  Thu Nov 16 19:13:12 2006
From: lmfosse at CHELLO.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 06 20:13:12 +0100
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <C181E3CA.5080%aklujkar@interchange.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227078651.23782.12823730119905709283.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Ashok,

Thank you for this clarification. I found one example of Uha in A Companion
to Sanskrit Literature, which is my only resource right now (I am afraid my
home arsenal of books has lacunae, and the university library is on the
other side of town). The Companion gives the following example: 

1) Imagining. For example, in the sentence agnaye juSTaM nirvapAmi the word
sUryAya is to be imagined for agnaye as occasion arises. 

2) Change, modification. 

3) Logical consequence or connexion. 

On the strength of point 1), I assumed that "meaning" was central. The
specific sentence in the KS refers to grammar:

asti vyAkaraNam ity avaiyAkaraNA api yAjJikA UhaM kratuSu prayuJjate

It would seem to me that "substitution" would then make better sense here
than "inferred meaning" - translationwise, we might not have to be precise
about what kind of substitution is meant, or we might use "grammatical
substitution". The point is: what level of precision should we expect in a
zAstra which is neither philosophical nor grammatical in nature? 

Lars Martin
 

From: 
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse 
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 
0674 Oslo - Norway 
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250 
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 
E-mail: lmfosse at chello.no 
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164



 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of 
> Ashok Aklujkar
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:46 PM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Uha
> 
> Lars,
> 
> Uha becomes a technical term primarily in MImA.msA. In its 
> use there, the ultimate concern is with form. The chosen form 
> of the expression may be conditioned by the contextually 
> required meaning, but the substitution itself is not thought 
> of as one of meaning. In Uha one changes the form of a Vedic 
> sentence (temporarily and without damaging the MImA.msA 
> thesis of eternality of Vedic sentences).
> 
> Following the MImA.msA, Uha is sometimes used for 
> substitutions in non-Vedic sentences (in the discussions in 
> texts on poetics, grammar etc.), but there too the ultimate 
> interest is in the form.
> 
> In other words, we should distinguish between the technical 
> and non-technical uses. The technical arises out of the 
> non-technical or ordinary language use in the sense of 
> 'guess, infer' as in the case of many other technical terms 
> in Skt, but is form-oriented and similar to adhyAhAra.
> The KS use you mention is probably non-technical and similar 
> to the ordinary language use of tarka.
> 
> ashok
> 
> 
> > From: Lars Martin Fosse <lmfosse at CHELLO.NO>
> > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:41:52 +0100
> 
> > However, it might perhaps be an idea to add "semantic":
> > "context-sensitive semantic modification/adaptation/substitution".
> > 
> > My question relates to a passage in the Kamasutra, where 
> "inferred meaning"
> > would probably do as well, since the reader most likely would have 
> > other things to think about than the technicalities of 
> linguistic terminology.




From knnelayath at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Nov 17 00:37:33 2006
From: knnelayath at HOTMAIL.COM (K N Neelakantan)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 06 06:07:33 +0530
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <C181E3CA.5080%aklujkar@interchange.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227078653.23782.4903264247791519799.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists

There is yet another case of the word Uha being used in a technical sense in 
Ayurveda.The Carakasamhita elaborates on this notion and accepts it as a 
seprate means of valid cognition different from inference.The inferential 
process is not strictly followed here.Arriving at a conclusion on the basis 
of several causes is designated as Uha like the prediction of good 
harvest.In Indian Medicine
it is used exclusively for diagnosing diseases.

K N Neelakantan Elayath
Hon.Professor
Adyar Library & Research Centre
Adyar,Chennai-600020
India

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From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Fri Nov 17 07:15:56 2006
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 06 07:15:56 +0000
Subject: STIMW Conference
Message-ID: <161227078656.23782.1195035218567293777.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dr Jacqueline Suthren Hirst has asked me to send this request for 
papers for the STIMW Conference.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

STIMW
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23rd Annual STIMW Symposium

Fri 25 May 2007 11am-5pm

University of Manchester

CALL FOR PAPERS

Offers of papers by 31 Jan 2007 please to
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From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Fri Nov 17 11:42:05 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 06 11:42:05 +0000
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F193FA7DA2113B9BE445728C8E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227078659.23782.8115877569839258160.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I understood that this was "yukti," rather.  The example you give, of the 
seed giving rise to a harvest, is certainly given at Ca.suu.11.23-26 and 
32 while describing the pramaa.na "yukti".  The context is that Caraka is 
giving examples one by one of how each of the four pramaa.nas may be used 
to establish the reality of rebirth.  Yukti here is treated as one of the 
pramaa.nas, although the commentators disagree.  Ernst Prets has written 
on this.  (And I've translated the passage - which is of real interest - 
in my Roots book.)

Dominik



On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, K N Neelakantan wrote:

> Dear Indologists
>
> There is yet another case of the word Uha being used in a technical sense in 
> Ayurveda.The Carakasamhita elaborates on this notion and accepts it as a 
> seprate means of valid cognition different from inference.The inferential 
> process is not strictly followed here.Arriving at a conclusion on the basis 
> of several causes is designated as Uha like the prediction of good harvest.In 
> Indian Medicine
> it is used exclusively for diagnosing diseases.
>
> K N Neelakantan Elayath
> Hon.Professor
> Adyar Library & Research Centre
> Adyar,Chennai-600020
> India
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM  Sun Nov 19 03:13:20 2006
From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM (Stephen Hodge)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 06 03:13:20 +0000
Subject: Quotation help sought
Message-ID: <161227078661.23782.6848791670256789767.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues,

Can anybody supply me with a correct transliteration of these verses which 
are supposed to come from the Brahmaa"nga Pura.na ?  I also think there are 
some spelling mistakes here anyway.  The e-version available on-line is 
incomplete, but these lines do not seem to occur in the portion which can be 
searched.  A suggested translation might also be helpful :)

mohanartham danavanam balarupi pathisthitah |
putram tam kalpayamasa mudhabudhir jinah svayam ||
tatah sammohayamasa jinadyana suramsakan |
bhagavan vagbhir ugrabhir ahimsa vacibhir harih ||

Many thanks,
Stephen Hodge 




From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM  Sun Nov 19 04:30:54 2006
From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM (Stephen Hodge)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 06 04:30:54 +0000
Subject: Quotation help sought / correction
Message-ID: <161227078663.23782.11556141820394322366.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My previous "Brahmaa"nga Pura.na" should, of course, have been Brahmaa.n.da.

Stephen Hodge




From jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM  Sun Nov 19 18:12:57 2006
From: jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM (girish jha)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 06 10:12:57 -0800
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <002101c70968$0c209860$5870d154@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227078665.23782.14603679766061653765.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Lars,
The term "Uha"is chiefly connected with the context of
Prakrti and Vikrti injunctions of the Mimansa.The
injunctions where all subsidiaries are mentioned are
called prakrti and those where all subsidiaries are
not mentioned are called vikrti.There is a
maxim,prakrtivad vikrtih kartavya.This has been quoted
by Kaiyata in his comm.pradipa and borrowed an example
from the Mimansa;a vedic mantra for Agni:
Agnaye tva justam nirvapami.thereafter it is the
statement that one desirous of Brahmavarcasa[Divine
radiance]should offer caru[libation]to Sun.Here the
mantra is modified by making some alterations
i.e.Suryaya in place of Agnaye.
As such,uha should be rendered by
modification.However, its use in Kamasutra may be
understood as the general use of Adhyahara[guess].
Girish K. Jha Dept of Sanskrit Patna Univ. India
--- Lars Martin Fosse <lmfosse at CHELLO.NO> wrote:

> Dear members of the list,
>  
> I have tried to find a good English translation of
> the grammatical term Uha,
> and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found.
> Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
> out there with a good suggestion? Something that
> sounds "modern"?
>  
> Lars Martin Fosse
>  
> 
> From:
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> 
> 
> 
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From vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE  Mon Nov 20 08:15:49 2006
From: vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 06 09:15:49 +0100
Subject: Quotation help sought
In-Reply-To: <015401c70b88$aab25460$2a047257@zen>
Message-ID: <161227078668.23782.4485725772370402594.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Stephen Hodge,
It is obvious that it does not come from the early vaayuprokta B.dP (viz. =
VaaP).
Since on my side I try to list all the quotations from the B.dP,  I find
yours among Madhva's possible "false" quotations (cf. the work by
Mesquita), viz. at BhaagTN (p. 19, 12-14):

mohanaartha.m daanavaanaa.m baalaruupii pathi sthita.h |
putra.m ta.m kalpayaam aasa muu.dhabuddhir jana.h svayam ||
tata.h sa.mmohayaam aasa jinaadyaan asuraa.m/sakaan |
bhagavaan vaagbhir ugraabhir ahi.msaavaacibhir hari.h ||

I would be interested to know where you found it.
Yours,
Christophe Vielle


>Dear colleagues,
>
>Can anybody supply me with a correct transliteration of these verses which
>are supposed to come from the Brahmaa.n.da Pura.na ?  I also think there are
>some spelling mistakes here anyway.  The e-version available on-line is
>incomplete, but these lines do not seem to occur in the portion which can be
>searched.  A suggested translation might also be helpful :)
>
>mohanartham danavanam balarupi pathisthitah |
>putram tam kalpayamasa mudhabudhir jinah svayam ||
>tatah sammohayamasa jinadyana suramsakan |
>bhagavan vagbhir ugrabhir ahimsa vacibhir harih ||
>
>Many thanks,
>Stephen Hodge


Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
Place Blaise Pascal 1
B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
BELGIUM
Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be




From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM  Mon Nov 20 10:11:56 2006
From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM (Stephen Hodge)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 06 10:11:56 +0000
Subject: Quotation help sought
Message-ID: <161227078670.23782.15142532241411122204.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Christophe Vielle wrote:

> It is obvious that it does not come from the early vaayuprokta B.dP (viz. 
> =
> VaaP). [snip] I find yours among Madhva's possible "false" quotations
> (cf. the work by Mesquita), viz. at BhaagTN (p. 19, 12-14):
Dear Christopher,
Thank you for speedily answering my enquiry. But could you elaborate a 
little on your above comments, as this is not an area with which I am very 
familiar.

> I would be interested to know where you found it.
That great repository of human knowledge: Wikipedia.  I am trying there to 
correct a misconception that the Buddha emanation of Vishnu is benign with 
respect to the asuras.  People there seem to think that the pauranic 
depiction of the Buddha is flattering to him.

Best wishes,
Stephen Hodge 




From vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE  Mon Nov 20 11:02:25 2006
From: vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 06 12:02:25 +0100
Subject: Quotation help sought
In-Reply-To: <01da01c70c8c$4f8b6a40$2a047257@zen>
Message-ID: <161227078672.23782.1063392352695109329.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Stephen,
I would only say that at a first stage there was a text that can be called
the "original" or "classical" vaayuprokta B.dP (= VaaP/B.dP "Kernel" of
Kirfel)
see thereon my study:
"From the Vaayuprokta to the Vaayu and Brahmaa.n.da Puraa.nas: Preliminary
remarks towards a critical edition of the vaayuprokta
Brahmaa.n.dapuraa.na", in Koskikallio, P. ed. Epics, khilas and pur??as:
Continuities and ruptures. Proceedings of the Third Dubrovnik
International Conference on the Sanskrit Epics and Puraa.nas, September
2002, Zagreb : Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts, 2005, pp. 535-560.
Thereafter, at a second stage, new texts were produced, claiming firstly to
be "supplements" (uttara) to the original B.dP, or, secondly and much more
often, "parts" of a virtual B.d "mahaa-puraa.na" (with various bhaagas or
even sa.mhitaas as in the case of the Skanda). And there are indeed
numerous texts offering such a claim. See thereon my study (forthcoming):
 "Transmission et recr?ation puraa.nique : le cas du Brahmaa.n.dapuraa.na",
in Gerschheimer, G. & Colas, G. eds Transmission des textes en Inde, Paris.
Therefore, the mediaeval and later quotations "from the B.dP" can refer to
many different texts. In the case of yours, which can thus be found in
Madhva, there is the supplementary problem that, according to the
researches of Mesquita, Madhva created himself false quotations for his own
philosophical/theological purposes.
See:
Mesquita, Roque 1997, Madhva und seine unbekannten literarischen Quellen.
Einige Beobachtungen (Publications of the De Nobili Research Library 24),
Wien: Institute of Indology (new ed. : Madhva's Unknown Literary Sources:
Some observations, Delhi: Aditya Prakashan, 2000).
Hoping that in can help,
yours,
Christophe



>Christophe Vielle wrote:
>
>> It is obvious that it does not come from the early vaayuprokta B.dP (viz.
>> =
>> VaaP). [snip] I find yours among Madhva's possible "false" quotations
>> (cf. the work by Mesquita), viz. at BhaagTN (p. 19, 12-14):
>Dear Christopher,
>Thank you for speedily answering my enquiry. But could you elaborate a
>little on your above comments, as this is not an area with which I am very
>familiar.
>
>> I would be interested to know where you found it.
>That great repository of human knowledge: Wikipedia.  I am trying there to
>correct a misconception that the Buddha emanation of Vishnu is benign with
>respect to the asuras.  People there seem to think that the pauranic
>depiction of the Buddha is flattering to him.
>
>Best wishes,
>Stephen Hodge


Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
Place Blaise Pascal 1
B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
BELGIUM
Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be




From Palaniappa at AOL.COM  Tue Nov 21 03:28:59 2006
From: Palaniappa at AOL.COM (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 06 22:28:59 -0500
Subject: Valmiki, the hunter
Message-ID: <161227078674.23782.15810089017955034670.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,
 
I would like to know when/in which text Valmiki is mentioned as a hunter  for 
the first time.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Regards,
S. Palaniappan




From pf at CIX.CO.UK  Tue Nov 21 11:08:00 2006
From: pf at CIX.CO.UK (Peter)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 06 11:08:00 +0000
Subject: None
Message-ID: <161227078676.23782.5185843000853583836.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The following new publication might be of interest for Indology readers:

Dundas, P. History, Scripture and Controversy in a Medieval Jain Sect. 
Routledge Advances in Jaina Studies Vol. 2. London: Routledge, 2006. 
ISBN 10: 0-415-37611-4

Peter Fluegel

Dr Peter Fl?gel
Chair, Centre of Jaina Studies
Department of the Study of Religions
Faculty of Arts and Humanities
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University of London
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Tel.: 0044-(0)20-7898 4776
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From sb4 at SOAS.AC.UK  Tue Nov 21 12:10:43 2006
From: sb4 at SOAS.AC.UK (Simon Brodbeck)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 06 12:10:43 +0000
Subject: Valmiki, the hunter
Message-ID: <161227078679.23782.17947851676770551213.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear S. Palaniappan,

Please see Julia Leslie's book 'Authority and Meaning in Indian Religions: 
Hinduism and the case of Valmiki' (Aldershot, UK: Ashgate, 2003), which 
addresses this question in detail.

All the best, from Simon Brodbeck.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan" <Palaniappa at AOL.COM>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:28 AM
Subject: Valmiki, the hunter


> Dear Indologists,
>
> I would like to know when/in which text Valmiki is mentioned as a hunter 
> for
> the first time.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
> S. Palaniappan
>
> 




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Tue Nov 21 12:45:47 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 06 12:45:47 +0000
Subject: Valmiki, the hunter
In-Reply-To: <552.667af39a.3293cc7b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <161227078683.23782.4118806274664673021.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This is the subject of Julia Leslie's book _Authority and meaning in 
Indian religions : Hinduism and the case of Valmiki_.  Curzon, 2003.

Best,
D




On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
> I would like to know when/in which text Valmiki is mentioned as a hunter  for
> the first time.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
> S. Palaniappan
>




From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM  Tue Nov 21 12:59:13 2006
From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.PLUS.COM (Stephen Hodge)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 06 12:59:13 +0000
Subject: Quotation help sought
Message-ID: <161227078685.23782.8808526201743506079.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Christopher,

Tank you for the additional background information you have provided.  I'll 
follow up the references you suggest.

I would like to double-check with you the following from the version of the 
quote you posted:
1.    In the second pada you have "jana.h".  Is this correct ? Should it not 
be "jina.h"  ?
2.    What are you representing by "asuraa.m/sakaan" in the third pada ?  I 
am not sure what the / represents.

Thanks.

Stephen Hodge 




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From: kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Kengo Harimoto)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 06 13:28:07 +0100
Subject: NGMC(P)P online title list
Message-ID: <161227078681.23782.1762461749436717219.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

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From jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed Nov 22 03:33:51 2006
From: jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU (joel bordeaux)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 06 22:33:51 -0500
Subject: Hatha Yoga Pradipika Commentaries
Message-ID: <161227078687.23782.6671943424796058638.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hello.  I'm wondering if any of the Sanskrit Hatha Yoga Pradipika  
commentaries other than Brahmananda's have been edited and, if so,  
where one might find them.

Rumor has it that Umapati, who I'm assuming is the 14th cent author  
of Shivaprakasham, wrote one, as did Ramananda/Advaita Tirtha, who  
seems to have lived in Andhra mid 18th cent.

Other names I've seen are Mahadeva and Vrajabhusana (Mishra?), about  
whom I am unable even to speculate.

Thanks,

Joel Bordeaux
Religion
Columbia University




From jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM  Wed Nov 22 12:35:29 2006
From: jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM (girish jha)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 04:35:29 -0800
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
In-Reply-To: <7FC1791E-23F0-463A-86E8-3A9528ED38EC@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227078700.23782.817177152261338474.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Mr Griffiths,

>???From my childhood I have heard the traditional sloka
as follows: 
Kakacesta vakadhyanam suno nidra tathaiva ca 
Alpaharo grhatyago vidyarthi  pancalaksanah. 
I am not aware of Diacritical signs on computer;kindly
excuse me.
Sincerely 
Girish K. Jha Dept of Sanskrit  Patna Univ. India

--- Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
> 
> My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small
> verse of which I  
> remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the
> final paada:
> 
> ... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam
> 
> Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried
> googling to fill in the  
> blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore
> my poor memory?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
> 
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>
> 



 
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From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed Nov 22 16:04:25 2006
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 09:04:25 -0700
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
Message-ID: <161227078709.23782.5421023527844433811.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Sorry to ask but would someone translate what the five characteristics are, 
in English?  Is "paying attention" one of them :)

Thanks,
Joanna Kirkpatrick
==============
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "girish jha" <jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student


Dear Mr Griffiths,

>???From my childhood I have heard the traditional sloka
as follows:
Kakacesta vakadhyanam suno nidra tathaiva ca
Alpaharo grhatyago vidyarthi  pancalaksanah.
I am not aware of Diacritical signs on computer;kindly
excuse me.
Sincerely
Girish K. Jha Dept of Sanskrit  Patna Univ. India

--- Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
> My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small
> verse of which I
> remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the
> final paada:
>
> ... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam
>
> Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried
> googling to fill in the
> blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore
> my poor memory?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
>
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>
>




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From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Wed Nov 22 08:18:29 2006
From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 09:18:29 +0100
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
Message-ID: <161227078692.23782.3594837660729878696.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small verse of which I  
remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the final paada:

... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam

Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried googling to fill in the  
blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore my poor memory?

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths
Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands

phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
<www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>




From dominic.goodall at GMAIL.COM  Wed Nov 22 05:16:07 2006
From: dominic.goodall at GMAIL.COM (Dominic Goodall)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 10:46:07 +0530
Subject: Hatha Yoga Pradipika Commentaries
In-Reply-To: <8D0C6653-BFB0-468C-87D6-7DEFD5D28924@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <161227078690.23782.11991646270901294632.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I think it rather unlikely that the Umaapati who wrote the  
Ha.thapradiipikaa.tippa.na (NCC, vol. II, p.391, column 2) was the  
14th-century "saiva author of the same name.
It seems to me, by the way, that one can one distinguish at least 3  
"saiva authors whose works have been ascribed to the same 14th- 
century figure (introduction to my edition of the Paraakhyatantra,  
pp.cxv--cxix).
Umaapati is simply rather a common name: the NCC distinguishes more  
than 30 of them.

Yours, with best wishes,
Dominic Goodall

Dr. Dominic Goodall
Head,
Pondicherry Centre,
Ecole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient



On 22 Nov 2006, at 09:03, joel bordeaux wrote:

> Hello.  I'm wondering if any of the Sanskrit Hatha Yoga Pradipika  
> commentaries other than Brahmananda's have been edited and, if so,  
> where one might find them.
>
> Rumor has it that Umapati, who I'm assuming is the 14th cent author  
> of Shivaprakasham, wrote one, as did Ramananda/Advaita Tirtha, who  
> seems to have lived in Andhra mid 18th cent.
>
> Other names I've seen are Mahadeva and Vrajabhusana (Mishra?),  
> about whom I am unable even to speculate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joel Bordeaux
> Religion
> Columbia University




From sanjay.kumar at MAIL.MCGILL.CA  Wed Nov 22 16:57:06 2006
From: sanjay.kumar at MAIL.MCGILL.CA (Sanjay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 11:57:06 -0500
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
Message-ID: <161227078712.23782.17186472225698149779.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

[Sharp-]eyed like a crow, attentive like a crane, [short-]slept like a dog, non-indulgent, and living away from home, these are five characteristics of a student.

Sanjay Kumar

McGill University


________________________________

From: Indology on behalf of jkirk
Sent: Wed 22/11/2006 11:04 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student



Sorry to ask but would someone translate what the five characteristics are,
in English?  Is "paying attention" one of them :)

Thanks,
Joanna Kirkpatrick
==============
----- Original Message -----
From: "girish jha" <jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student


Dear Mr Griffiths,

>???From my childhood I have heard the traditional sloka
as follows:
Kakacesta vakadhyanam suno nidra tathaiva ca
Alpaharo grhatyago vidyarthi  pancalaksanah.
I am not aware of Diacritical signs on computer;kindly
excuse me.
Sincerely
Girish K. Jha Dept of Sanskrit  Patna Univ. India

--- Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
> My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small
> verse of which I
> remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the
> final paada:
>
> ... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam
>
> Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried
> googling to fill in the
> blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore
> my poor memory?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
>
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>
>




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From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Wed Nov 22 11:00:20 2006
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 12:00:20 +0100
Subject: Hatha Yoga Pradipika Commentaries
In-Reply-To: <8D0C6653-BFB0-468C-87D6-7DEFD5D28924@columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <161227078698.23782.11288748004426247447.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:33:51 -0500
  joel bordeaux <jeb2104 at COLUMBIA.EDU> wrote:
> Hello.  I'm wondering if any of the Sanskrit Hatha Yoga 
>Pradipika  commentaries other than Brahmananda's have 
>been edited and, if so,  where one might find them.
> 
> Rumor has it that Umapati, who I'm assuming is the 14th 
>cent author  of Shivaprakasham, wrote one, as did 
>Ramananda/Advaita Tirtha, who  seems to have lived in 
>Andhra mid 18th cent.
> 
> Other names I've seen are Mahadeva and Vrajabhusana 
>(Mishra?), about  whom I am unable even to speculate.

In recent years, M. L. Gharote edited several works on or 
around the Hatha(yoga)pradipika. See, e.g., the web site 
of the Lonavla Yoga Institute 
(http://www.lonavalayoga.org/publications.html)

Among these you will find:

- _Hathapradipika (with 10 chapters) of Svatmarama and 
Yogaprakasika commentary by Balakrsna_ / ed. by M. L. 
Gharote ; Parimal Devnath. - Lonavla : The Lonavla Yoga 
Institute, 2001. - ISBN 81-901176-6-1

- _Hatharatnavali (a treatise on hathayoga) of 
Srinivasayogi_ / critically ed. by M. L. Gharote [et al.]. 
- Lonavla : The Lonavla Yoga Institute, 2002. - ISBN 
81-901176-9-6

There is also a Hathapradipikavrtti in Marathi by a 
certain Bhojatmaja. In the Rajasthan Puratan Granthmala, 
M. L. Gharote published a Hindi treatise inspired by the 
Hathapradipika:

- Jayatarama krta Jogapradipika / samp.: Em. El. Gharote. 
- Jodhpur : Rajasthan Oriental Research Institute, 1999 
(Rajasthana Puratana Granthamala ; 192) [main text in 
Hindi,  introduction in English]

In 1989, Gharote brought out together with V. A. Bedekar: 
_A descriptive catalogue of Yoga manuscripts_. - Lonavla : 
The Kaivalyadhama S. M. Y. M. Samiti, 1989. Despite the 
title it is a tabular listing of mss. The "descriptive" 
part is rather small, if existing at all.

Hope it helps

Peter Wyzlic
--
Indologisches Seminar der
Universit?t Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
D-53113 Bonn
Deutschland / Germany




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed Nov 22 19:03:59 2006
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 12:03:59 -0700
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
Message-ID: <161227078718.23782.9685243222290162156.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks------I see the crane stands for attention. These would never be 
applicable
to US school students, since their ability to observe nature has been 
dislocated like everyting else by TV and video games. Some of them do 
develop sharp eyes for software maneuvers.
JK
====================



[Sharp-]eyed like a crow, attentive like a crane, [short-]slept like a dog, 
non-indulgent, and living away from home, these are five characteristics of 
a student.

Sanjay Kumar

McGill University


________________________________

From: Indology on behalf of jkirk
Sent: Wed 22/11/2006 11:04 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student



Sorry to ask but would someone translate what the five characteristics are,
in English?  Is "paying attention" one of them :)

Thanks,
Joanna Kirkpatrick
==============
----- Original Message -----
From: "girish jha" <jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student


Dear Mr Griffiths,

>???From my childhood I have heard the traditional sloka
as follows:
Kakacesta vakadhyanam suno nidra tathaiva ca
Alpaharo grhatyago vidyarthi  pancalaksanah.
I am not aware of Diacritical signs on computer;kindly
excuse me.
Sincerely
Girish K. Jha Dept of Sanskrit  Patna Univ. India

--- Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
> My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small
> verse of which I
> remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the
> final paada:
>
> ... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam
>
> Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried
> googling to fill in the
> blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore
> my poor memory?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
>
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>
>




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From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Nov 22 17:51:49 2006
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 12:51:49 -0500
Subject: Hatha Yoga Pradipika Commentaries
Message-ID: <161227078715.23782.2760614289814025644.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

There are a few more commentaries in the Library of Congress catalog < http://catalog.loc.gov > under Title=Hathayogapradipika.  You can also look at the free online OCLC/WorldCat catalog < http://www.worldcat.org/ >. 

Allen


Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
South Asia Team, Asian Division
Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.




From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Wed Nov 22 21:21:01 2006
From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 13:21:01 -0800
Subject: Uha
Message-ID: <161227078721.23782.3389868020141283051.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Lars,

Long ago I discussed uuha in my book "Bridge to the Three Holy Cities" 
(Delhi 1985). See the Glossary on p. 498, where I suggested the translation 
"modification of a mantra," and the relevant text (pp. 125-6) and 
translation (p. 371), where the author (Narayana Bhatta) discusses the 
meaning(s) of uuha.

Rich Salomon

:
>
>> Dear members of the list,
>>
>> I have tried to find a good English translation of
>> the grammatical term Uha,
>> and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found.
>> Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
>> out there with a good suggestion? Something that
>> sounds "modern"?
>>
>> Lars Martin Fosse
>>
>>
>> From:
>> Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
>> Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
>> 0674 Oslo - Norway
>> Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
>> Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
>> E-mail:  <mailto:lmfosse at chello.no>
>> lmfosse at chello.no
>>
> http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Wed Nov 22 12:54:06 2006
From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 13:54:06 +0100
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-F1450638F8CECFBDB9E67A8CDE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <161227078703.23782.1219061343649865269.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thank you, Diwakar and Dr. Jha. My memory has been sufficiently  
refreshed.

Arlo



On Nov 22, 2006, at 9:27 AM, diwakar acharya wrote:

> Maybe,
>
> kaakacak.sur bakadhyaayii "svaananidras tathaiva ca.
>
> alpaahaarii g.rhatyaagii vidyaarthipa~nlak.sa.nam.
>
> Variant versions can easily be found.
>
>
> Diwakar
>
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From acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM  Wed Nov 22 08:27:40 2006
From: acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM (diwakar acharya)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 17:27:40 +0900
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
In-Reply-To: <7FC1791E-23F0-463A-86E8-3A9528ED38EC@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227078694.23782.18398419212097630503.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Maybe,

kaakacak.sur bakadhyaayii "svaananidras tathaiva ca.

alpaahaarii g.rhatyaagii vidyaarthipa~nlak.sa.nam.

Variant versions can easily be found.


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From swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM  Wed Nov 22 15:36:39 2006
From: swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM (Maheswaran Nair)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 06 21:06:39 +0530
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
In-Reply-To: <1E154C18-8C4E-44BB-917C-E233E6EF0BEC@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227078706.23782.5240828799881361364.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hallo,
Version prevalent in Kerala:

alpaahaaram jiirnavastram
kaakadrstir bakadhyaanam
svaananidraa tathaiva ce-
tyetadvidyaarthilaksanam.

K.Maheswaran Nair
University of Kerala




From navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Nov 23 08:03:35 2006
From: navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM (JAGANADH GOPINADHAN)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 08:03:35 +0000
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
Message-ID: <161227078723.23782.4067608593959773133.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

In south India the verse
Kakacesta vakadhyanam suno nidra tathaiva ca
Alpaharo grhatyago vidyarthi  pancalaksanah.

have a slight variation. alpAhAram jIrNavastram ......... I am not 
remembering the excat verse.But it consists the following words

kAka drshti, bakadhyanam, svAnanidra,alpAhAram,jIrNavastram .These are the 
charactaristics of a student.



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kAka drshTi

From: Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar at MAIL.MCGILL.CA>
Reply-To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:57:06 -0500

[Sharp-]eyed like a crow, attentive like a crane, [short-]slept like a dog, 
non-indulgent, and living away from home, these are five characteristics of 
a student.

Sanjay Kumar

McGill University


________________________________

From: Indology on behalf of jkirk
Sent: Wed 22/11/2006 11:04 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student



Sorry to ask but would someone translate what the five characteristics are,
in English?  Is "paying attention" one of them :)

Thanks,
Joanna Kirkpatrick
==============
----- Original Message -----
From: "girish jha" <jhakgirish at YAHOO.COM>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Five characteristics of the student


Dear Mr Griffiths,

>?From my childhood I have heard the traditional sloka
as follows:
Kakacesta vakadhyanam suno nidra tathaiva ca
Alpaharo grhatyago vidyarthi  pancalaksanah.
I am not aware of Diacritical signs on computer;kindly
excuse me.
Sincerely
Girish K. Jha Dept of Sanskrit  Patna Univ. India

--- Arlo Griffiths <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
wrote:

 > Dear Indologists,
 >
 > My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small
 > verse of which I
 > remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the
 > final paada:
 >
 > ... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam
 >
 > Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried
 > googling to fill in the
 > blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore
 > my poor memory?
 >
 > Best wishes,
 >
 > Arlo Griffiths
 > Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
 > Postbus 9515
 > 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
 >
 > phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
 > fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
 > email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
 > <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>
 >




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From phmaas at ARCOR.DE  Thu Nov 23 08:42:05 2006
From: phmaas at ARCOR.DE (Philipp Maas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 09:42:05 +0100
Subject: AW: Uha
In-Reply-To: <002101c70968$0c209860$5870d154@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227078726.23782.1983857933358618595.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Lars,
I would like to draw your attention to the entry "uuha" in vol. 2 of the
following work:

Oberhammer, Gerhard: Terminologie der fruehen philosophischen Scholastik in
Indien. Ein Begriffswoerterbuch zur altindischen Dialektik, Erkenntnislehre
und Methodologie. Bd. 1-3. Wien 1991-2006 (OeAW, philosophisch-historische
Klasse, Denkschriften, 223, 248 und 343) (Beitraege zur Kultur- und
Geistesgeschichte Asiens, 9, 17 und 49).

Philipp Maas

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk]Im Auftrag von Lars
Martin Fosse
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. November 2006 11:15
An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Betreff: Uha


Dear members of the list,

I have tried to find a good English translation of the grammatical term Uha,
and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found. Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
out there with a good suggestion? Something that sounds "modern"?

Lars Martin Fosse


From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail:  <mailto:lmfosse at chello.no> lmfosse at chello.no
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164




From richard.gombrich at BALLIOL.OX.AC.UK  Thu Nov 23 10:47:21 2006
From: richard.gombrich at BALLIOL.OX.AC.UK (Richard Gombrich)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 10:47:21 +0000
Subject: Bhargavas and Angirasas
Message-ID: <161227078730.23782.14881300494869817458.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have been asked by a student for worthwhile bibliography on the  
Bhargavas and/or Angirasas.  Can anyone help?

Richard Gombrich




From lmfosse at CHELLO.NO  Thu Nov 23 11:40:15 2006
From: lmfosse at CHELLO.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 12:40:15 +0100
Subject: Uha
In-Reply-To: <03cc01c70e84$4c13b3a0$cf565f80@allrsdelld8200>
Message-ID: <161227078733.23782.7552974908529976541.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thank you, Richard!

I have received several answers to my question, which point in the two
following directions:

1) grammatical substitution; 
2) semantic modification (through inference). 

Both these elements would seem to be inherent in the concept of Uha. The KS
commentary uses the substitution of "sun" for "fire sacrifice" as an example
of Uha. It would therefore seem that both "substitution" and "modification"
are possible translations.

As you will understand, my problem is translatorial: I want to find a brief
way of translating the term without having to give complex explanations. So
far, I have settled for "modification(s) of language" in the KS context, the
point there being that people know how to change ritual language without
being grammarians. "Modification of language" would cover both phonetic,
morphological and semantic modifications. 

All the best,

Lars Martin
 

From: 
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse 
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 
0674 Oslo - Norway 
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250 
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 
E-mail: lmfosse at chello.no 
http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164



 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Salomon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:21 PM
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Uha
> 
> Dear Lars,
> 
> Long ago I discussed uuha in my book "Bridge to the Three 
> Holy Cities" 
> (Delhi 1985). See the Glossary on p. 498, where I suggested 
> the translation "modification of a mantra," and the relevant 
> text (pp. 125-6) and translation (p. 371), where the author 
> (Narayana Bhatta) discusses the
> meaning(s) of uuha.
> 
> Rich Salomon
> 
> :
> >
> >> Dear members of the list,
> >>
> >> I have tried to find a good English translation of the grammatical 
> >> term Uha, and I am not sure I am happy with what I have found.
> >> Is there a vaiyAkaraNa
> >> out there with a good suggestion? Something that sounds "modern"?
> >>
> >> Lars Martin Fosse
> >>
> >>
> >> From:
> >> Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
> >> Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
> >> 0674 Oslo - Norway
> >> Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250 Mobile phone: 
> +47 90 91 
> >> 91 45
> >> E-mail:  <mailto:lmfosse at chello.no>
> >> lmfosse at chello.no
> >>
> > http://www.linguistfinder.com/translators.asp?id=2164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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From falk at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE  Thu Nov 23 13:32:46 2006
From: falk at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE (Harry Falk)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 14:32:46 +0100
Subject: just out
Message-ID: <161227078736.23782.3492976031568768147.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

fresh from the press:

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(Monographien zur Indischen Arch?ologie, Kunst und Philologie, 18)
Mainz: Philipp von Zabern 2006
ISBN-10: 3-8053-3712-4
ISBN: 3-8053-3712-0
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From deviprasad at IFPINDIA.ORG  Thu Nov 23 09:10:56 2006
From: deviprasad at IFPINDIA.ORG (Deviprasad Mishra)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 14:40:56 +0530
Subject: Five characteristics of the student
Message-ID: <161227078728.23782.2389178686038062953.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Though I have not read this verse but I have heard like

kaakasnaana.m bakadhyaana.m "svaananidraastathaiva ca

alpaahaarii g.rhatyaagii vidyaarthipa~ncalaksa.nam.

I feel this is also one of the different readings.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arlo Griffiths" <arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Five characteristics of the student


> Dear Indologists,
> 
> My 'grandfather' in Orissa once quoted to me a small verse of which I  
> remember only one half of an uneven paada plus the final paada:
> 
> ... bakadhyaayii ... vidyaarthipa;ncalak.sa.nam
> 
> Reading Manu 7.106 reminds me of it. I tried googling to fill in the  
> blanks, but to no avail. Can anyone help me restore my poor memory?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Arlo Griffiths
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands
> 
> phone: +31-(0)71-5272622
> fax: +31-(0)71-5272956
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
> <www.kerninstitute.leidenuniv.nl>
> 
> 
> 




From sb4 at SOAS.AC.UK  Thu Nov 23 16:03:27 2006
From: sb4 at SOAS.AC.UK (Simon Brodbeck)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 16:03:27 +0000
Subject: Bhargavas and Angirasas
Message-ID: <161227078738.23782.8594710641302640365.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Some sources on Bhargavas and/or Angirases in Mahabharata composition:

Goldman, Robert P. (1977) Gods, priests and warriors: the Bhrigus of the 
Mahabharata. New York: Columbia University Press.

Minkowski, C. (1991) 'Snakes, sattras and the Mahabharata', in Arvind Sharma 
(ed.) Essays on the Mahabharata, (pp. 384-400), Leiden: Brill.

Shende, N. J. (1943) 'The authorship of the Mahabharata', Annals of the 
Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institiute 24, pp. 67-82.

Sukthankar, Vishnu S. (1936) 'Epic studies, 6: the Bhrigus and the Bharata - 
a text-historical study', Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research 
Institute 18, pp. 1-76.



Simon Brodbeck



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Gombrich" <richard.gombrich at BALLIOL.OX.AC.UK>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Bhargavas and Angirasas


>I have been asked by a student for worthwhile bibliography on the 
>Bhargavas and/or Angirasas.  Can anyone help?
>
> Richard Gombrich
>
> 




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Thu Nov 23 16:55:35 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 06 16:55:35 +0000
Subject: Bhargavas and Angirasas
In-Reply-To: <398CD759-F076-4AC1-99A1-C9A12230DC4B@balliol.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <161227078740.23782.4449887293438099268.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It's always useful to do a keyword search in the SARDS2 free online 
South Asian bibliography:

 	http://www.indologie.uni-halle.de/Sards2/

Putting in "Bhargava" brought up these two articles (Kashikar 1961, 
Tripathi 1979).  But the items in Simon's list of essential refs were not 
given.

D


On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Richard Gombrich wrote:

> I have been asked by a student for worthwhile bibliography on the Bhargavas 
> and/or Angirasas.  Can anyone help?
>
> Richard Gombrich




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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 06 01:10:51 +0000
Subject: Kazakasthan persecution to vaisnavas
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From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Mon Nov 27 04:46:35 2006
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 06 21:46:35 -0700
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
Message-ID: <161227078749.23782.13748529819858630686.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Quoting Dr. John Powers:
> Could anyone recommend Indic sources on masculinity, from around 5 BCE
> to 10 CE? I'm particularly interested in notions of the ideal male body
> and what makes one a real man.

I would recommend you to take a look at "Conjugal Love in India: Ratisastra 
and
Ratiramana: Text, Translation and Notes" by Kenneth G. Zysk, Brill 2002. 
This
book contains many explanations on physical signs considered auspicious in
either the male or female bodies, especially in terms of marriage and
fertility. Although the Sanskrit texts studied here are later than the 
period
you specified, the general tradition of physiognomy can be traced back to 
the
period you are interested in.

With best wishes,
Tim
______________________
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Post-Doctoral Associate
Dept. of Sanskrit and Indian Studies
Harvard University
1 Bow St., Cambridge
02138 MA, USA
Tel. +1-617 625 7078
===========================
As I recall, Vatsyayana's Kamasutra has descriptions of ideal male and 
female beauty and it does fit with the period prescribed by Dr. Powers.

Hopefully, Joanna Kirkpatrick



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From utkragh at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Mon Nov 27 03:56:57 2006
From: utkragh at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Ulrich Timme Kragh)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 06 22:56:57 -0500
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <456A3803.3050607@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227078747.23782.622781283843194017.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Quoting Dr. John Powers:
> Could anyone recommend Indic sources on masculinity, from around 5 BCE
> to 10 CE? I'm particularly interested in notions of the ideal male body
> and what makes one a real man.

I would recommend you to take a look at "Conjugal Love in India: Ratisastra and
Ratiramana: Text, Translation and Notes" by Kenneth G. Zysk, Brill 2002. This
book contains many explanations on physical signs considered auspicious in
either the male or female bodies, especially in terms of marriage and
fertility. Although the Sanskrit texts studied here are later than the period
you specified, the general tradition of physiognomy can be traced back to the
period you are interested in.

With best wishes,
Tim
______________________
Dr. Ulrich Timme Kragh
Post-Doctoral Associate
Dept. of Sanskrit and Indian Studies
Harvard University
1 Bow St., Cambridge
02138 MA, USA
Tel. +1-617 625 7078




From annamisia at YAHOO.COM  Mon Nov 27 08:34:20 2006
From: annamisia at YAHOO.COM (Miska Pruszowska)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 00:34:20 -0800
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <456A3803.3050607@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227078754.23782.1980117951108184541.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

You could also look at the medical texts, such as the
Suzruta SaMhitA, and at some iconographic texts that
based their proportions of the ideal human body on the
medical texts, such as the CitralakSaNa.

Anna Slaczka
Leiden.





--- McComas Taylor <mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU> wrote:

> Could anyone recommend Indic sources on masculinity,
> from around 5 BCE 
> to 10 CE? I'm particularly interested in notions of
> the ideal male body 
> and what makes one a real man. Are there sources
> that compare the 
> masculinity of brahmans and k.satriyas? And are
> there non-Buddhist 
> sources that discuss the 32 major marks of a
> mahaapuru.sa, or is this 
> unique to Buddhism? Any feedback would be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> John Powers
> -- 
> Dr. John Powers
> Reader
> Centre for Asian Societies and Histories
> Australian National University
> Canberra, ACT 0200
> Australia
> 
> Office: (61 2) 6125 2686
> FAX: (61 2) 6125 8326
> Email: john.powers at anu.edu.au
> 



 
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From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Mon Nov 27 13:57:55 2006
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 07:57:55 -0600
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <456A3803.3050607@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227078758.23782.1863857612636047517.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Jarrod Whitaker's dissertation was on this topic, but looking at the 
early period coverd by the Rig Veda; but much of what he says may be 
applicable to later period.

PO



>Could anyone recommend Indic sources on masculinity, from around 5 
>BCE to 10 CE? I'm particularly interested in notions of the ideal 
>male body and what makes one a real man. Are there sources that 
>compare the masculinity of brahmans and k.satriyas? And are there 
>non-Buddhist sources that discuss the 32 major marks of a 
>mahaapuru.sa, or is this unique to Buddhism? Any feedback would be 
>greatly appreciated.
>
>John Powers
>--
>Dr. John Powers
>Reader
>Centre for Asian Societies and Histories
>Australian National University
>Canberra, ACT 0200
>Australia
>
>Office: (61 2) 6125 2686
>FAX: (61 2) 6125 8326
>Email: john.powers at anu.edu.au




From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Mon Nov 27 07:42:09 2006
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 08:42:09 +0100
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <456A3803.3050607@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227078752.23782.379422587762609483.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:57:39 +1100
  McComas Taylor <mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU> wrote:
> Could anyone recommend Indic sources on masculinity, 
>from around 5 BCE to 10 CE? I'm particularly interested 
>in notions of the ideal male body and what makes one a 
>real man. Are there sources that compare the masculinity 
>of brahmans and k.satriyas? And are there non-Buddhist 
>sources that discuss the 32 major marks of a 
>mahaapuru.sa, or is this unique to Buddhism? Any feedback 
>would be greatly appreciated.

A recent collective work may be useful:
_Images du corps dans le monde hindou_ / sous la direction 
de V?ronique Bouillier et Gilles Tarabout. ? Paris : CNRS 
Editions, 2002. ? 511 pp.. : ill., maps. ? (Monde indien : 
sciences sociales 15. - 20. si?cle)
ISBN 2-271-06060-5
The CNRS provides a Table of contents (in PDF format):
http://www.cnrseditions.fr/Doc/Depliants/D2271060605.pdf
Review (online): Archives de sciences sociales des 
religions, 132 (2005), [En ligne], mis en ligne le 20 
f?vrier 2006.
URL: http://assr.revues.org/document3090.html

Concerning the mahapurusa laksanas, I remember that they 
are also listed in Varahamihira's Brhatsamhita and in 
Puranic texts (sorry, I don't have the exact references at 
hand in this moment). At the beginning of the 
Aupapatikasutra (in Prakrit: Uvavaiya), an upanga of the 
Shvetambara Jaina canon, you find a sort of stock 
description (varnaka) of the body and the bodily marks of 
Mahavira (e.g. Umakant P. Shah: Jaina-Rupa-Mandana (Jaina 
iconography). - New Delhi : Abhinav Publ., 1987, p. 95 
seq.).

Hope it helps
Peter Wyzlic

--
Indologisches Seminar der
Universit?t Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
D-53113 Bonn
Deutschland / Germany




From gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Mon Nov 27 09:52:35 2006
From: gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 10:52:35 +0100
Subject: Publication announcement: Festschrift Gustav Roth
Message-ID: <161227078756.23782.5321733106096026240.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

[On behalf of the editors I'd like to forward the following publication announcement. 
(Diacritics and German umlauts have been dropped / replaced.)
R.G.]


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Dear colleagues
we are pleased to announce the publication of the Festschrift celebrating
the 90th birthday of Gustav Roth:

Jaina-Itihasa-Ratna. Festschrift fuer Gustav Roth zum 90. Geburtstag.
Hrsg. von Ute Huesken, Petra Kieffer-Puelz und Anne Peters
(Indica et Tibetica, 47)
Marburg, 2006
522pp.
ISBN: 3-923776-48-9



TABLE OF CONTENTS:



NALINI BALBIR: Le Pancanamaskaramantra en charades;

STEFAN BAUMS : Bemerkungen zum Ordinalzahlsystem der Gandhari;

DOERTE BORCHERS: Dzongkha in Bhutan. Nationalsprache, Verkehrssprache, 
Literatursprache?;

HEINZ BRAUN: Verzeichnis buddhistischer Moenchsgelehrter in Myanmar;

JIN-IL CHUNG: Dharmacakrapravartana-dharmaparyaya of the Sarvastivada 
and Mulasarvastivada Tradition;

MAX DEEG: Unwirkliche Gegner. Chinesische Polemik gegen den 
Hinayana-Buddhismus;

MARTIN DELHEY: Asamahita Bhumih: Zwei Kapitel der Yogacarabhumi ueber den 
von meditativer Versenkung freien Zustand;

SIGLINDE DIETZ: Fragments Containing Lists of the 32 Mahapurusalaksanas;

HELMUT EIMER: Die Ausgabe des Gzungs 'dus aus Dga' ldan phun tshogs gling;

INES FORNELL: The Image of Alamgir in Modern Hindi Literature;

OLIVER FREIBERGER: Akademische Kanonisierung? Zur Erstellung von 
Anthologien buddhistischer Texte;

REINHOLD GRUENENDAHL: Von der Indologie zum Voelkermord. Die 
Kontinuitaetskonstrukte Sheldon Pollocks und seiner Epigonen im Lichte 
ihrer Beweisfuehrung;

MICHAEL HAHN: Miscellanea etymologica tibetica VII;

JENS-UWE HARTMANN: Ein weiteres zentralasiatisches Fragment aus dem 
Buddhacarita;

UTE HUESKEN: Pavitrotsava: Rectifying Ritual Lapses;

HAIYAN HU-VON HINUEBER: Some Remarks on the Sanskrit Manuscript of the 
Mulasarvastivada-Pratimoksasutra Found in Tibet;

PETRA KIEFFER-PUELZ: Old and New Ritual: Advancing the Date of the 
Invitation Ceremony (pavarana) with Regard to the Mahinda Festival;

KORNELIUS KRUEMPELMANN: Munshi Premcand: "Der Tempel" (mandir). Aus 
dem Hindi uebersetzt;

K. R. NORMAN: Translation Problems in Early Buddhist Literature;

THOMAS OBERLIES: Zum Sutrapatha des Candravyakarana (Studien zum 
Candravyakarana IV);

BHIKKHU PASADIKA: The Ekottaragama Parallel to Anguttaranikaya III, 
57-62 (V.50). Translated from the Chinese Version;

ANNE PETERS: Ein Band fuer die Handschrift und Verdienst fuer viele;

HANS RUELIUS: Kola sanniya - Oedipus und Hiob in Sri Lanka;

LORE SANDER: Anmerkungen zum Salabhanjika-Motiv;

PETER SCHALK: "Sinhala Buddhism" -  The Use of a Stereotype in a Martial 
Conflict;

KLAUS T. SCHMIDT: THT 1539;

CLAUS VOGEL: Grahayajna or Planetary Sacrifice. Being an English Version 
of Chapter XVIII of Varahamihira's Brhadyatra;

KLAUS WILLE: Die Sanskrit-Fragmente der Crosby-Sammlung (Washington D.C.);


Bibliographie Gustav Roth.


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From mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU  Mon Nov 27 00:57:39 2006
From: mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 11:57:39 +1100
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
Message-ID: <161227078745.23782.5897804252572494028.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Could anyone recommend Indic sources on masculinity, from around 5 BCE 
to 10 CE? I'm particularly interested in notions of the ideal male body 
and what makes one a real man. Are there sources that compare the 
masculinity of brahmans and k.satriyas? And are there non-Buddhist 
sources that discuss the 32 major marks of a mahaapuru.sa, or is this 
unique to Buddhism? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

John Powers
-- 
Dr. John Powers
Reader
Centre for Asian Societies and Histories
Australian National University
Canberra, ACT 0200
Australia

Office: (61 2) 6125 2686
FAX: (61 2) 6125 8326
Email: john.powers at anu.edu.au




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Mon Nov 27 15:49:30 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 15:49:30 +0000
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <a06230903c1909eff9d36@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <161227078761.23782.747532157304054754.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Another cultural area to take into account might be the wrestling / 
martial arts tradition.  See Joe Alter's book on wrestling, and the useful 
articles by Ro,su and Staal.


   author       = {Joseph S. Alter},
   title        = {The Wrestler's Body, Identity and Ideology in {North India}},
   publisher    = mrml,
   year         = 1997,
   address      = {New Delhi},
   edition      = 2,
   note         = {First published by University\ of California Press, 1993.},
   annote       = {Available online from
                   \url{http://www.ucpress.edu/scan/books.html}},
   isbn         = {81-215-0799-5},



   author       = {S. H. Deshpande},
   title        = {Physical Education in Ancient {India}},
   publisher    = {Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan},
   year         = 1992,
   address      = {Delhi, Varanasi},
   isbn         = {81-217-0064-7},


   author       = {Arion Ro{\c s}u},
   title        = {{Les \emph{marman} et les arts martiaux Indiens}},
   journal      = {Journal asiatique},
   year         = 1981,
   volume       = {cclxix},
   pages        = {417--451},
   note         = {Illustrated; includes an English summary, p.\,451; refers
                   to Chinese martial traditions, and acupuncture.},

   author       = {Frits Staal},
   title        = {Indian Bodies},
   booktitle    = {Self as Body in {Asian} Theory and Practice},
   chapter      = 4,
   pages        = {59--102},
   annote       = {Includes photos of gymnasts etc.},
   editor       = {Thomas P. Kasulis and Roger T. Ames and Wimal Dissanayake},
   title        = {Self as Body in {Asian} Theory and Practice},
   publisher    = {SUNY},
   year         = 1993,
   address      = {New York},
   isbn         = {0-7914-1080-3},


DW




From reimann at BERKELEY.EDU  Mon Nov 27 23:54:57 2006
From: reimann at BERKELEY.EDU (Luis Gonzalez-Reimann)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 06 15:54:57 -0800
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <a06230903c1909eff9d36@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <161227078763.23782.6647830275906133499.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Although Reinhold Gruenendahl didn't mention it, 
the new book he just announced has an article by 
Siglinde Dietz called "Fragments Containing Lists 
of the 32 Mahapurusalaksanas."

Luis Gonz?lez-Reimann




From zysk at HUM.KU.DK  Tue Nov 28 06:02:53 2006
From: zysk at HUM.KU.DK (Kenneth Zysk)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 06 07:02:53 +0100
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
Message-ID: <161227078765.23782.18406190045522328861.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Could someone kindly sent me the particulars of this book?
Many thanks.

Kenneth Zysk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luis Gonzalez-Reimann" <reimann at BERKELEY.EDU>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Masculinity in Ancient India


Although Reinhold Gruenendahl didn't mention it,
the new book he just announced has an article by
Siglinde Dietz called "Fragments Containing Lists
of the 32 Mahapurusalaksanas."

Luis Gonz?lez-Reimann




From arganis at TODITO.COM  Tue Nov 28 17:19:16 2006
From: arganis at TODITO.COM (Horacio Francisco Arganis Juarez)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 06 17:19:16 +0000
Subject: Please help with this cuestion
Message-ID: <161227078770.23782.12155935055008847231.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Professors: Pranams. I am looking for more answers to this querys:
According to Jiva Gosvami Lord Buddha appears when two thousand years of the Kali age have passed: tatah iti ayam kaler abda-sahasra-dvitiye gate vyaktah. (Krsna-sandarbha Vol. I anuccheda 24) That tradiotionality means around 1102 BC. And in the first reconstruction of Hindu chronology by Sir William Jones, Lord Buddha is appointed to 1027 BC. (Vid. in Rational "Mythology", by Richard L. Thompson 1993 in BTG Jan/Feb 1994, p. 26) But one researcher, Prasada Gokhale of Fredericton New Brunswick University, shows very interesting evidences that after the identification of Sandracottus (325 BC) mentioned by Megasthenes, the Greek historian, with the Candragupta Maurya by Sir William Jones, was considered as the "sheet anchor" and base on this assumption a chronology of India history reconstructed by dating the Buddha in 500 BC under the presupposition that the Asokavarna was the Buddhist convert. But there are difficulties in this datation because the Greek records mention Xandramas and Sandracyptus as kings immediately before and after Sandracottus. These names are not in any way phonologically similar to Mahapadma Nanda and Bindusara or Asoka who were the predecessor and successor of Candragupta Maurya respectively. However, if Sandracottus refers to Candragupta Gupta, the Xandramas reckons to be his predecessor Candrasi alias Candramas and Sandrocyptus to be Samudragupta. The phonetic similarity becomes quite apparent and also with the assistance of other evidence from Bhagavata Purana 12.1.12-13 confirm the identify of Sandracottus to Candragupta Gupta. (Vid. Antiquity and Continuity of Indian History:click  (Prasad Gokhale on Indian History apud schools of Buddhism refuted by Vedanta-sutra)
 Sincerily
Horacio Francisco Arganis-J.
M.A. Researcher from U A de C; IEFAC, IBCH
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From vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE  Tue Nov 28 16:30:44 2006
From: vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 06 17:30:44 +0100
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0611231643340.4720@Caraka>
Message-ID: <161227078767.23782.14118251008122730061.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,
a Muslim student of mine would like to work for a M.A. on the Allopani.sad,
composed by a court-poet of Akbar.
For helping her to start the work, I have nothing to propose except the
datas given in the NCC s.v. (three old editions) and one reference about an
English translation (R. Mitra JASBeng 1871).
(I have also the three pages by S.C. Banerji on "Contribution of Muslims to
Sanskrit Literature" from his "Companion to Sanskrit literature", who
himself relies on the book by J.B. Chaudhuri on "Muslim patronage of
Sanskrit learning", Calcutta, 1945, but nothing more on the upani.sad).`
Does somebody know some additional scholarly material produced on the
subject (edition, translation or study)?
Thank you in advance for your help,

Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
Place Blaise Pascal 1
B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
BELGIUM
Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be




From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Tue Nov 28 17:36:54 2006
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 06 18:36:54 +0100
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <l03130300c1920d569c25@[130.104.243.146]>
Message-ID: <161227078772.23782.8791403712427139700.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:30:44 +0100
  Christophe Vielle <vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> a Muslim student of mine would like to work for a M.A. 
>on the Allopani.sad,
> composed by a court-poet of Akbar.
>For helping her to start the work, I have nothing to 
>propose except the
> datas given in the NCC s.v. (three old editions) and one 
>reference about an
> English translation (R. Mitra JASBeng 1871).
> (I have also the three pages by S.C. Banerji on 
>"Contribution of Muslims to
> Sanskrit Literature" from his "Companion to Sanskrit 
>literature", who
> himself relies on the book by J.B. Chaudhuri on "Muslim 
>patronage of
> Sanskrit learning", Calcutta, 1945, but nothing more on 
>the upani.sad).`
> Does somebody know some additional scholarly material 
>produced on the
> subject (edition, translation or study)?

The text of the allA-upaniSad is also reproduced in

Un-published Upanishads / ed by the Pandits of Adyar 
Library under the supervision of C. Kunhan Raja. - [Adyar, 
Madras] : Adyar Library, 1933 (Adyar Library Series ; No. 
14), p. 392-393

The text does not give references to manuscripts or 
variant readings, so it is not what I would call a 
critical edition. By the way, here this Upanishad belongs 
to the group of Shakta-Upanishads.

In 1996, a question concerning this text already came up 
here in this mailing list. I pointed to a manuscript 
catalogue of F. O. Schrader who made a few remarks on the 
Alla(h)-Upanishad, see http://tinyurl.com/ybvq6t

For whatever it is worth, Google Books 
(http://books.google.com) gives some references if you 
look for "Allah Upanishad".

Hope it helps
Peter Wyzlic

--
Indologisches Seminar der
Universit?t Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
D-53113 Bonn
Deutschland / Germany




From reimann at BERKELEY.EDU  Wed Nov 29 03:15:28 2006
From: reimann at BERKELEY.EDU (Luis Gonzalez-Reimann)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 06 19:15:28 -0800
Subject: Masculinity in Ancient India
In-Reply-To: <002101c712b2$d9e9df10$10925853@KGZysk>
Message-ID: <161227078777.23782.4009778184553387158.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At 10:02 PM 11/27/2006, Kenneth Zysk wrote:

>Could someone kindly sent me the particulars of this book?

Below is the original message from Reinhold 
Gruenendahl. It includes the Table of Contents.

Luis Gonz?lez-Reimann
___

>Date:         Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:52:35 +0100
>Reply-To:     Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>From:         gruenendahl <gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE>
>Subject: Publication announcement: Festschrift Gustav Roth



>[On behalf of the editors I'd like to forward 
>the following publication announcement.
>(Diacritics and German umlauts have been dropped / replaced.)
>R.G.]
>
>
>**********************************************************************
>
>
>Dear colleagues
>we are pleased to announce the publication of the Festschrift celebrating
>the 90th birthday of Gustav Roth:
>
>Jaina-Itihasa-Ratna. Festschrift fuer Gustav Roth zum 90. Geburtstag.
>Hrsg. von Ute Huesken, Petra Kieffer-Puelz und Anne Peters
>(Indica et Tibetica, 47)
>Marburg, 2006
>522pp.
>ISBN: 3-923776-48-9
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>NALINI BALBIR: Le Pancanamaskaramantra en charades;
>
>STEFAN BAUMS : Bemerkungen zum Ordinalzahlsystem der Gandhari;
>
>DOERTE BORCHERS: Dzongkha in Bhutan. Nationalsprache, Verkehrssprache,
>Literatursprache?;
>
>HEINZ BRAUN: Verzeichnis buddhistischer Moenchsgelehrter in Myanmar;
>
>JIN-IL CHUNG: Dharmacakrapravartana-dharmaparyaya of the Sarvastivada
>and Mulasarvastivada Tradition;
>
>MAX DEEG: Unwirkliche Gegner. Chinesische Polemik gegen den
>Hinayana-Buddhismus;
>
>MARTIN DELHEY: Asamahita Bhumih: Zwei Kapitel der Yogacarabhumi ueber den
>von meditativer Versenkung freien Zustand;
>
>SIGLINDE DIETZ: Fragments Containing Lists of the 32 Mahapurusalaksanas;
>
>HELMUT EIMER: Die Ausgabe des Gzungs 'dus aus Dga' ldan phun tshogs gling;
>
>INES FORNELL: The Image of Alamgir in Modern Hindi Literature;
>
>OLIVER FREIBERGER: Akademische Kanonisierung? Zur Erstellung von
>Anthologien buddhistischer Texte;
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>REINHOLD GRUENENDAHL: Von der Indologie zum Voelkermord. Die
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>HAIYAN HU-VON HINUEBER: Some Remarks on the Sanskrit Manuscript of the
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From phmaas at ARCOR.DE  Tue Nov 28 19:58:45 2006
From: phmaas at ARCOR.DE (Philipp Maas)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 06 20:58:45 +0100
Subject: AW: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <l03130300c1920d569c25@[130.104.243.146]>
Message-ID: <161227078774.23782.1385697299022702995.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

W. Halbfass: India and Europe. An Essay in Philosophical Understanding,
Delhi 1990, p. 416 refers to an article by R. Nath: ?On the Authentency of
the Allopanisad.? In: Journal of the Oriental Institute (Baroda) 26
(1976/77), 238-250.

Best regards,

Dr. Philipp Maas

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk]Im Auftrag von Christophe
Vielle
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2006 17:31
An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Betreff: Alla.h-Upani.sad


Dear Colleagues,
a Muslim student of mine would like to work for a M.A. on the Allopani.sad,
composed by a court-poet of Akbar.
For helping her to start the work, I have nothing to propose except the
datas given in the NCC s.v. (three old editions) and one reference about an
English translation (R. Mitra JASBeng 1871).
(I have also the three pages by S.C. Banerji on "Contribution of Muslims to
Sanskrit Literature" from his "Companion to Sanskrit literature", who
himself relies on the book by J.B. Chaudhuri on "Muslim patronage of
Sanskrit learning", Calcutta, 1945, but nothing more on the upani.sad).`
Does somebody know some additional scholarly material produced on the
subject (edition, translation or study)?
Thank you in advance for your help,

Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
Place Blaise Pascal 1
B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
BELGIUM
Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be




From wmcox at UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed Nov 29 12:14:48 2006
From: wmcox at UCHICAGO.EDU (Whitney Cox)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 06:14:48 -0600
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
Message-ID: <161227078784.23782.1864167365352877881.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


Not to be seen disagreeing with my betters, but I think that 
Dominik might be too hasty in questioning whether the 
Allopani.sad could sustain an MA thesis.  From the point of 
view of language and of the text?s propositional content (as 
DW helpfully attests in his quotations), it might not be 
very promising, but this doesn?t exhaust its potential or 
interest.  If Christophe?s student has access to Persian or 
to Arabic, the whole question of how such a  text was 
confected in the first place could be profitably studied, 
i.e. how what seems to be its Perso-Arabic lexis gets 
transposed into Sanskrit (whether, f.i., the words ?dhatte? 
or ?mitro mitro? are semantic ?translations? or phonetic 
transpositions from another language).  

This raises the whole question--very much in need of study--
of the multilingual philology (if that?s even the right 
word) of Akbar?s court.  We know at least quite a bit 
bibliographically speaking about the works that Akbar had 
translated into Persian from Sanskrit (the epics, 
certain ?classical? upani.sads, Pa~ncatantra, et mult cet) 
but much less about what works (other than this one) that 
were sponsored as quasi-?translations? into Sanskrit.  Not 
to mention the fact of a putative upani.sad being composed 
by a historical author, if indeed a ?court-poet of Akbar? 
was responsible for it.

Some interesting work on the ?other direction? to this 
translational process that might be of interest is that of 
the Carl Ernest, whose website helpfully gives the draft 
versions of a number of his published studies of the 
reception of yoga works in the wider Islamicate world.  

http://www.unc.edu/%7Ecernst/articles.htm

Finally Kengo?s point about the Nepalese manuscripts (along 
with the fact that I presume that the Adyar edition was 
based on Southern MSS) would seem to indicate that the text 
wasn?t a one-off oddball product of the New Agey theosophy 
of Akbar?s court, but one that attracted a wide and diverse 
readership.

All of this said, I agree with Dominik?s point that ?the 
fact of [the Allopani.sad?s] existence? is perhaps more 
interesting than its contents, but the text could provide a 
point d?appui, rather than the central focus, of some very 
interesting research.


Whitney 


---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:20:54 +0000
>From: Dominik Wujastyk <ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK>  
>Subject: Re: Alla.h-Upani.sad  
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>
>
>In my view, the Allaa Upanisad, which I happen to have read 
earlier this 
>month, does not provide sufficient material for an MA 
study.  It is short, 
>and is largely composed of mantras that have a syncretic 
sound to them.
>
>---------------------------
>It begins:
>
>divyaani dhatte dhatte divyaani divyaani dhatte/ dhatta 
ilala ilale dhatte 
>dhatta ilale/ dhatta iti dhatte/ ilale varu.no varu.na 
ilala ilale 
>varu.na.h/ ilala iti ilale/ varu.no raajaa raajaa varu.no 
varu.no raajaa/ 
>raajaa punar du.h punar duu raajaa raajaa punar du.h/ 
punarduriti puna.h 
>du.h/ hvyaami mitro mitro hvayaami hvayaami mitra.h/ mitra 
ilaamilaa.m 
>mitro mitra ilaam/ ilaam ilala ilala ilaam ilaam ilale/ 
ilala ilaam ilaam 
>ilala ilala ilaam/
>
>It ends:
>
>sa.m tu.s.ta tu.s.ta sa.m sa.m tu.s.ta/ tu.s.ta devaa 
devaastu.s.ta 
>tu.s.ta devaa.h/ devaa iti devaa.h//2//
>
>ilaam ilaam ilaam ilaam ilaam/ ilelaakabarho 'kabarha 
ilelaakabarho 
>'kabarha ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho 'kabarha 
ilelaakabarho 
>'kabarha.h/ akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy 
akabarho 'smy 
>akabarho 'smi//3//
>-------------------------
>
>These quotes already comprise about 20% of the text.
>
>
>It is included in the book "Unpublished Upanisads" edited 
by C Kunhan Raja 
>and published by the Adyar Library in 1938, pp.391-392.  
There is a 
>digital copy freely available in the Digital Library of 
India,
> 	http://www.dli.ernet.in
>
>I would say that the Allaa Upanisad is very interesting for 
the fact of 
>its existence, rather than for its content.
>
>Best,
>Dominik
>
>
>
>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Christophe Vielle wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> a Muslim student of mine would like to work for a M.A. on 
the Allopani.sad,
>> composed by a court-poet of Akbar.
>> For helping her to start the work, I have nothing to 
propose except the
>> datas given in the NCC s.v. (three old editions) and one 
reference about an
>> English translation (R. Mitra JASBeng 1871).
>> (I have also the three pages by S.C. Banerji 
on "Contribution of Muslims to
>> Sanskrit Literature" from his "Companion to Sanskrit 
literature", who
>> himself relies on the book by J.B. Chaudhuri on "Muslim 
patronage of
>> Sanskrit learning", Calcutta, 1945, but nothing more on 
the upani.sad).`
>> Does somebody know some additional scholarly material 
produced on the
>> subject (edition, translation or study)?
>> Thank you in advance for your help,
>>
>> Dr. Christophe Vielle
>> Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
>> Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
>> Place Blaise Pascal 1
>> B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
>> BELGIUM
>> Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 
(home)
>> E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be
>>




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed Nov 29 15:55:19 2006
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 08:55:19 -0700
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
Message-ID: <161227078787.23782.2605906376969897398.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Having never seen this text before,  may I incautiously (I suppose) write to 
suggest that it looks to me to resemble a dhikr text used by Sufis, or 
imitating such a text, because of the repetition of certain terms/names 
found in the
kalima, and also by virtue alone of sheer repetition. Is that possible?

Best wishes,
Joanna Kirkpatrick
============================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominik Wujastyk" <ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: Alla.h-Upani.sad



In my view, the Allaa Upanisad, which I happen to have read earlier this
month, does not provide sufficient material for an MA study.  It is short,
and is largely composed of mantras that have a syncretic sound to them.

---------------------------
It begins:

divyaani dhatte dhatte divyaani divyaani dhatte/ dhatta ilala ilale dhatte
dhatta ilale/ dhatta iti dhatte/ ilale varu.no varu.na ilala ilale
varu.na.h/ ilala iti ilale/ varu.no raajaa raajaa varu.no varu.no raajaa/
raajaa punar du.h punar duu raajaa raajaa punar du.h/ punarduriti puna.h
du.h/ hvyaami mitro mitro hvayaami hvayaami mitra.h/ mitra ilaamilaa.m
mitro mitra ilaam/ ilaam ilala ilala ilaam ilaam ilale/ ilala ilaam ilaam
ilala ilala ilaam/

It ends:

sa.m tu.s.ta tu.s.ta sa.m sa.m tu.s.ta/ tu.s.ta devaa devaastu.s.ta
tu.s.ta devaa.h/ devaa iti devaa.h//2//

ilaam ilaam ilaam ilaam ilaam/ ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho
'kabarha ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho
'kabarha.h/ akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy
akabarho 'smi//3//
-------------------------

These quotes already comprise about 20% of the text.


It is included in the book "Unpublished Upanisads" edited by C Kunhan Raja
and published by the Adyar Library in 1938, pp.391-392.  There is a
digital copy freely available in the Digital Library of India,
  http://www.dli.ernet.in

I would say that the Allaa Upanisad is very interesting for the fact of
its existence, rather than for its content.

Best,
Dominik



On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Christophe Vielle wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> a Muslim student of mine would like to work for a M.A. on the 
> Allopani.sad,
> composed by a court-poet of Akbar.
> For helping her to start the work, I have nothing to propose except the
> datas given in the NCC s.v. (three old editions) and one reference about 
> an
> English translation (R. Mitra JASBeng 1871).
> (I have also the three pages by S.C. Banerji on "Contribution of Muslims 
> to
> Sanskrit Literature" from his "Companion to Sanskrit literature", who
> himself relies on the book by J.B. Chaudhuri on "Muslim patronage of
> Sanskrit learning", Calcutta, 1945, but nothing more on the upani.sad).`
> Does somebody know some additional scholarly material produced on the
> subject (edition, translation or study)?
> Thank you in advance for your help,
>
> Dr. Christophe Vielle
> Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
> Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
> Place Blaise Pascal 1
> B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> BELGIUM
> Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
> E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be
>


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From kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE  Wed Nov 29 08:39:00 2006
From: kengo.harimoto at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Kengo Harimoto)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 09:39:00 +0100
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <l03130300c1920d569c25@[130.104.243.146]>
Message-ID: <161227078780.23782.7101336174457826401.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I searched for the Allopani?ad on the online NGMCP title list.  It  
shows two entries of the title.  Perhaps worth checking?

-- 
kengo harimoto




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Nov 29 10:20:54 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 10:20:54 +0000
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <l03130300c1920d569c25@[130.104.243.146]>
Message-ID: <161227078782.23782.15262123019187065843.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


In my view, the Allaa Upanisad, which I happen to have read earlier this 
month, does not provide sufficient material for an MA study.  It is short, 
and is largely composed of mantras that have a syncretic sound to them.

---------------------------
It begins:

divyaani dhatte dhatte divyaani divyaani dhatte/ dhatta ilala ilale dhatte 
dhatta ilale/ dhatta iti dhatte/ ilale varu.no varu.na ilala ilale 
varu.na.h/ ilala iti ilale/ varu.no raajaa raajaa varu.no varu.no raajaa/ 
raajaa punar du.h punar duu raajaa raajaa punar du.h/ punarduriti puna.h 
du.h/ hvyaami mitro mitro hvayaami hvayaami mitra.h/ mitra ilaamilaa.m 
mitro mitra ilaam/ ilaam ilala ilala ilaam ilaam ilale/ ilala ilaam ilaam 
ilala ilala ilaam/

It ends:

sa.m tu.s.ta tu.s.ta sa.m sa.m tu.s.ta/ tu.s.ta devaa devaastu.s.ta 
tu.s.ta devaa.h/ devaa iti devaa.h//2//

ilaam ilaam ilaam ilaam ilaam/ ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho 
'kabarha ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho 'kabarha ilelaakabarho 
'kabarha.h/ akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy akabarho 'smy 
akabarho 'smi//3//
-------------------------

These quotes already comprise about 20% of the text.


It is included in the book "Unpublished Upanisads" edited by C Kunhan Raja 
and published by the Adyar Library in 1938, pp.391-392.  There is a 
digital copy freely available in the Digital Library of India,
 	http://www.dli.ernet.in

I would say that the Allaa Upanisad is very interesting for the fact of 
its existence, rather than for its content.

Best,
Dominik



On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Christophe Vielle wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> a Muslim student of mine would like to work for a M.A. on the Allopani.sad,
> composed by a court-poet of Akbar.
> For helping her to start the work, I have nothing to propose except the
> datas given in the NCC s.v. (three old editions) and one reference about an
> English translation (R. Mitra JASBeng 1871).
> (I have also the three pages by S.C. Banerji on "Contribution of Muslims to
> Sanskrit Literature" from his "Companion to Sanskrit literature", who
> himself relies on the book by J.B. Chaudhuri on "Muslim patronage of
> Sanskrit learning", Calcutta, 1945, but nothing more on the upani.sad).`
> Does somebody know some additional scholarly material produced on the
> subject (edition, translation or study)?
> Thank you in advance for your help,
>
> Dr. Christophe Vielle
> Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
> Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
> Place Blaise Pascal 1
> B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> BELGIUM
> Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
> E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be
>




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed Nov 29 20:44:36 2006
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 13:44:36 -0700
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
Message-ID: <161227078798.23782.1803250788653907506.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominik Wujastyk" <ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Alla.h-Upani.sad


>> Having never seen this text before, may I incautiously (I suppose) write 
>> to suggest that it looks to me to resemble a dhikr text used by Sufis, or 
>> imitating such a text, because of the repetition of certain terms/names 
>> found in the kalima, and also by virtue alone of sheer repetition. Is 
>> that possible?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joanna Kirkpatrick
>
>
> This is a good suggestions, but bear in mind there is a large literature 
> of repetitive mantras of this type in the mantrasastra literature.  81 
> century texts like the Mantramaharnava and Mantramahodadhi (different) 
> from Benares are big compendia of similar incantations (of course without 
> the allaa/ilala etc.).  The rasasastra literature too: I'm thinking of 
> sections of Nityanatha's Rasaratnakara and much of pseudo-Nagarjuna's 
> Kaksaputatantra that have huge chunks of this kind of material.  And 
> Buddhist literature has it's share of this type of japa-like mantra too.
>
> I remember being told once, by a Syrian Christian friend, that group 
> chanting of such mantra-like incantations was done in by Syrian sufis.
>
> There's a case here, for sure, for the kind of inter-cultural study that 
> Whitney outlines so well, looking synthetically at a phenomenon that 
> occurs across faiths and culture groups, changing but not wholly.
>
> D
================
Hello Dominik,

Did you mean 18th century, not 81 century? (I do it all the time, only saved 
usually by spell-check).
Yes, am aware of the extensive japa-type mantra literature in India and in 
Buddhism. However, the Allopani.sad was allocated to the court of Akbar, and 
so one could assume it also featured somehow in connection with the 
multi-talented munshis he patronized and his multilateral spiritual 
interests. Thus, its chances of being an attemped translation or imitation 
of Sufi dhikr rather than anything found in Hindu or Buddhist collections 
seems pretty good to me. I can imagine that if a Hindu munshi was trying to 
convert something Islamic to Sanskrit he might be following
the example of japa literature, but if a Muslim scholar wrote it, then he'd 
probably be trying his best to retain an "Islamicity" in his text while 
converting a dhikr or a simulated dhikr to Sanskrit.

Best, Joanna




From srangan at YORKU.CA  Wed Nov 29 19:18:50 2006
From: srangan at YORKU.CA (Shyam Ranganathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 14:18:50 -0500
Subject: yoga tArAvali
In-Reply-To: <l03130300c1920d569c25@[130.104.243.146]>
Message-ID: <161227078791.23782.16643695788650528068.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists

I was wondering about the provenance of a text attributed to Adi Sankara titled
*yoga tArAvali.*

The only edition of the text that I know of is by TKV Deshikachar and was taught
to him by Krishnamacharya. I wonder if this is one of those texts, like the
*yoga rahasya* that mysteriously appears first with Krishnamacharya.

If the text is something historical, is there any information on which Sankara
was the likely author?

Many thanks in advance!

Shyam Ranganathan

PhD Candidate
Department of Philosophy
York University (Toronto)




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Nov 29 20:14:30 2006
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 20:14:30 +0000
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <001001c713ce$c55a03f0$2930cece@charlie>
Message-ID: <161227078796.23782.17197437749492960441.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Having never seen this text before, may I incautiously (I suppose) write 
> to suggest that it looks to me to resemble a dhikr text used by Sufis, 
> or imitating such a text, because of the repetition of certain 
> terms/names found in the kalima, and also by virtue alone of sheer 
> repetition. Is that possible?
>
> Best wishes,
> Joanna Kirkpatrick


This is a good suggestions, but bear in mind there is a large literature 
of repetitive mantras of this type in the mantrasastra literature.  81 
century texts like the Mantramaharnava and Mantramahodadhi (different) 
from Benares are big compendia of similar incantations (of course without 
the allaa/ilala etc.).  The rasasastra literature too: I'm thinking of 
sections of Nityanatha's Rasaratnakara and much of pseudo-Nagarjuna's 
Kaksaputatantra that have huge chunks of this kind of material.  And 
Buddhist literature has it's share of this type of japa-like mantra too.

I remember being told once, by a Syrian Christian friend, that group 
chanting of such mantra-like incantations was done in by Syrian sufis.

There's a case here, for sure, for the kind of inter-cultural study that 
Whitney outlines so well, looking synthetically at a phenomenon that 
occurs across faiths and culture groups, changing but not wholly.

D




From vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE  Wed Nov 29 20:02:37 2006
From: vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 21:02:37 +0100
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0611291007300.2920@Caraka>
Message-ID: <161227078794.23782.7945093551832621264.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thank you very much to Peter Wyzlic, Philipp Maas, Kengo Harimoto, Dominik
Wujastyk, Whitney Cox, Joanna Kirkpatrick and Maheswaran Nair for their
kind help and interesting comments on the Allopani.sad. Dominik and
Maheswaran (who has experienced it) are right to point out the fact that
the text itself is quite short and its content probably not enough
substantial to serve as a basis for a M.A. dissertation. Nevertheless,
following Withney Cox, it still can be usefully illustrative within what
could be rather planned as a study of several representative items of
Islamic literature in Sanskrit (unfortunately, the student, who knows
pretty well Classical Arabic, did not learn Persian, which is  requested
for studying the translation processes at the Court of Akbar).
Yours,



Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste, Universit? de Louvain
Place Blaise Pascal 1
B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
BELGIUM
Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 or 58 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
E-mail: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be




From swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM  Wed Nov 29 17:06:13 2006
From: swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM (Maheswaran Nair)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 06 22:36:13 +0530
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0611291007300.2920@Caraka>
Message-ID: <161227078789.23782.14321137943608499348.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hallo,
By its name the Allaa Upanisad attracts everyone and many of my  
students wished to work on it for MA/M.Phil, but I dissuaded them.I  
agree with Domonik: it does not provide sufficient material for an MA  
study.
The Allaa Upanisad is historically important, but contentwise it does  
not deserve MA/M.Phil sudy.
Regards
K.Maheswaran Nair
Department of Sanskrit
University of Kerala




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Nov 30 18:48:03 2006
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 06 13:48:03 -0500
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
Message-ID: <161227078802.23782.13280820546498658257.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I haven't any comments directly on this text, but may have an interesting parallel phenomenon.  I have in my collection of small mss of mantras and yantras, a number of yantras which seem to mean nothing in any script I am aware of, but upon further examination turned out to be derived from the Bismillah ("In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful") by successive copying and distortion by people whose sole or primary script was Nagari.

Allen

Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
South Asia Team, Asian Division
Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Thu Nov 30 21:10:21 2006
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 06 14:10:21 -0700
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
Message-ID: <161227078804.23782.3910800303843336591.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Amazing........where did these mss. come from?
Joanna
=======================================


>I haven't any comments directly on this text, but may have an interesting 
>parallel phenomenon.  I have in my collection of small mss of mantras and 
>yantras, a number of yantras which seem to mean nothing in any script I am 
>aware of, but upon further examination turned out to be derived from the 
>Bismillah ("In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful") by 
>successive copying and distortion by people whose sole or primary script 
>was Nagari.
>
> Allen
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
> South Asia Team, Asian Division
> Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of 
> Congress.


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From gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Thu Nov 30 13:37:17 2006
From: gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 06 14:37:17 +0100
Subject: Economic development in Mahabharata
Message-ID: <161227078800.23782.135857544821398501.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Apologies for being so late with this reply:

Banerjee, Shyamal Kumar:
Economic life in the great epic : some aspects.
Calcutta : Punthi Pustak. 1990; xxiii, 282 pp.
ISBN 8185094268


Moti Chandra:
Geographical and economic studies in the Mahabharata: Upayana Parva.
Lucknow : U. P. Historical Society. xi, 143 pp.


There may be more in the "Epic and Puranic Bibliography" (ritual reference).


Best regards
Reinhold Gr?nendahl




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Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

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GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Nov 30 21:44:02 2006
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 06 16:44:02 -0500
Subject: Alla.h-Upani.sad
Message-ID: <161227078806.23782.1560209460328931684.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I bought them in Rajasthan and Delhi.  Many are just single sheets.

Allen

Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
South Asia Team, Asian Division
Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> jkirk at SPRO.NET 11/30/06 4:10 PM >>>

Amazing........where did these mss. come from?
Joanna
=======================================


>I haven't any comments directly on this text, but may have an interesting 
>parallel phenomenon.  I have in my collection of small mss of mantras and 
>yantras, a number of yantras which seem to mean nothing in any script I am 
>aware of, but upon further examination turned out to be derived from the 
>Bismillah ("In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful") by 
>successive copying and distortion by people whose sole or primary script 
>was Nagari.
>
> Allen
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D., Senior Reference Librarian
> South Asia Team, Asian Division
> Library of Congress, Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732; fax 202-707-1724; athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of 
> Congress.


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