From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Dec 1 15:24:30 2005 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 04:24:30 -1100 Subject: decoding date Message-ID: <161227077175.23782.5466627726962200708.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> for what it's worth, zabdakalpadruma.h, vol. 2, p, 546, col. 3, supports treating jn~a- as a synonym of budha-. Matthew T. Kapstein Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies The University of Chicago Divinity School Directeur d'?tudes Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP Thu Dec 1 01:54:49 2005 From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio Yano) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 10:54:49 +0900 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse Message-ID: <161227077165.23782.5503445702977570828.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear List, >Sake gajatrimunibhUmimite tu varshe rAmAdrinAgaSaSacihnamite tapasye >pakshe site sutaSaSAnkatithau jnavAre vyAkhyA samAptimagamadvibudhaikavandyA The date is interpreted as: Year: Zaka 1738, Vikrama 1873 Month: Tapasya = PhaalguNa PakSa: ZuklapakSa Tithi: sutaZaZAnka ?? Vaara: Wednesday Only tithi gives problem. According to my pancanga program the date falls in the half month listed below. Wednesday is either tritiiya or dazamii. If the tithi is given in two digits we have to interpret it as dazamii (10). Now I wonder whether suta can mean zero. ============================================================================== 1817 2 17 Mon|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 1 Satabhisaj ============================================================================== 1817 2 18 Tue|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 2 P-bhadrapada ============================================================================== 1817 2 19 Wed|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 3 U-bhadrapada ============================================================================== 1817 2 20 Thu|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 4 Revati ============================================================================== 1817 2 21 Fri|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 5 Asvini ============================================================================== 1817 2 22 Sat|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 6 Bharani ============================================================================== 1817 2 23 Sun|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 7 Krttika ============================================================================== 1817 2 24 Mon|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 8 Rohini ============================================================================== 1817 2 25 Tue|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 9 Mrgasira ============================================================================== 1817 2 26 Wed|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 10 Ardra ============================================================================== 1817 2 27 Thu|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 11 Punarvasu ============================================================================== 1817 2 28 Fri|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 12 Pusya ============================================================================== 1817 3 1 Sat|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 13 Aslesa ============================================================================== 1817 3 2 Sun|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 14 Magha ============================================================================== 1817 3 3 Mon|Saka 1738|V.S.1873 Phalguna Suklapaksa 15 P-phalguni ============================================================================== Michio Yano yanom at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/ From steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE Thu Dec 1 13:06:57 2005 From: steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Roland Steiner) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 14:06:57 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077169.23782.11321957176045742972.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>
I would like to forward the follwoeing message by Dr Karl-Heinz Golzio (Bonn, Germany).

Best wishes
Roland Steiner


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Date sent:                  Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:31:49 +0100
From:                         Karl-Heinz Golzio <KHGolzio at web.de>
Subject:                    Decoding date

Dear Mr. Gansten,

I was aware of the discussion about the date via Roland Steiner, Marburg. Your decoding of the second year date as (Vikrama) year 1873 was a step forward, but to my opinion your calculation is questionable. Supposed, the meaning of jNavAra is indeed Wednesday ( I prefer Thursday, "day of the knower", i. e. B.rhaspati) and the number of the tithi is indeed "13", then the solution will be "Tuesday, 12th March 1816", _in case_ you have chosen a _current_ year, what is rather unlikely. I think, it is an elapsed year, and if this is the case, the result will be "Saturday, 1th March 1817". However, the real problem is the meaning of "suta", but I think, here it has the meaning of "soma juice" or simply "soma", thus meaning "1". Now we have to calculate "Thursday, the 11th tithi of the bright half of the elapsed ´Saka year 1738" corresponding to "Thursday, 27th February 1817 CE". I hpe, my solution is convincing. 

Best wishes

Karl-Heinz Golzio

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From steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE Thu Dec 1 13:15:04 2005 From: steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Roland Steiner) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 14:15:04 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077171.23782.12081750724853490406.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> [Corrected version. Sorry for the inconvenience. R.S.] I would like to forward the following message by Dr Karl-Heinz Golzio (Bonn, Germany). Best wishes Roland Steiner ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:31:49 +0100 From: Karl-Heinz Golzio Subject: Decoding date Dear Mr. Gansten, I was aware of the discussion about the date via Roland Steiner, Marburg. Your decoding of the second year date as (Vikrama) year 1873 was a step forward, but to my opinion your calculation is questionable. Supposed, the meaning of jNavAra is indeed Wednesday ( I prefer Thursday, "day of the knower", i. e. B.rhaspati) and the number of the tithi is indeed "13", then the solution will be "Tuesday, 12th March 1816", _in case_ you have chosen a _current_ year, what is rather unlikely. I think, it is an elapsed year, and if this is the case, the result will be "Saturday, 1th March 1817". However, the real problem is the meaning of "suta", but I think, here it has the meaning of "soma juice" or simply "soma", thus meaning "1". Now we have to calculate "Thursday, the 11th tithi of the bright half of the elapsed ?Saka year 1738" corresponding to "Thursday, 27th February 1817 CE". I hope, my solution is convincing. Best wishes Karl-Heinz Golzio ------- End of forwarded message ------- From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET Thu Dec 1 15:06:50 2005 From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 15:06:50 +0000 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: <438F0568.27331.39935B@steiner.mailer.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <161227077173.23782.11734486672482225525.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Surely J?a is always a synonym of Budha, i.e. the planet Mercury, so j?avAra has to be Wednesday. Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK At 2:15 pm +0100 1/12/05, Roland Steiner wrote: >[Corrected version. Sorry for the inconvenience. R.S.] > >I would like to forward the following message by >Dr Karl-Heinz Golzio (Bonn, Germany). > >Best wishes >Roland Steiner > > >------- Forwarded message follows ------- >Date sent: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:31:49 +0100 >From: Karl-Heinz Golzio >Subject: Decoding date > >Dear Mr. Gansten, > >I was aware of the discussion about the date via >Roland Steiner, Marburg. Your decoding of >the second year date as (Vikrama) year 1873 was >a step forward, but to my opinion your >calculation is questionable. Supposed, the >meaning of jNavAra is indeed Wednesday ( I >prefer Thursday, "day of the knower", i. e. >B.rhaspati) and the number of the tithi is indeed >"13", then the solution will be "Tuesday, 12th >March 1816", _in case_ you have chosen a >_current_ year, what is rather unlikely. I >think, it is an elapsed year, and if this is the >case, >the result will be "Saturday, 1th March 1817". >However, the real problem is the meaning of >"suta", but I think, here it has the meaning of >"soma juice" or simply "soma", thus meaning >"1". Now we have to calculate "Thursday, the >11th tithi of the bright half of the elapsed >?Saka year 1738" corresponding to "Thursday, >27th February 1817 CE". I hope, my solution >is convincing. > >Best wishes > >Karl-Heinz Golzio > >------- End of forwarded message ------- From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE Thu Dec 1 20:27:53 2005 From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 21:27:53 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse Message-ID: <161227077177.23782.8080451625660847066.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> As Valerie says, j?a in such contexts always means Mercury, so the day has to be Wednesday. Matching it with the tithi is the main problem, as we do not know the numerical value associated with suta. (My guess 3 was just that: a guess, and perhaps not the most likely one.) The year is probably a current year (that seems to be the standard in my experience), and probably, as suggested by Michio Yano, 1817 CE -- not 1816, as the year in the Indian eras typically begins later than the western calendar year. There are, however, several possibilities here, as well as in the calculation of the months, as I remarked earlier. If the year is 1817 CE, the only two-digit tithi coinciding with Wednesday in Phalguna-sukla is 26 February, a dasami, as also pointed out by Michio Yano. Regards, Martin Gansten From steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE Fri Dec 2 12:38:11 2005 From: steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Roland Steiner) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 05 13:38:11 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse Message-ID: <161227077179.23782.12831562206970799725.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:14:35 +0100 From: Karl-Heinz Golzio As jNavaara is indeed Wednesday and the meaning of suta is five, i. e. the five sons of the Paa.n.davas, only one solution is possible: Wednesday, 15th tithi of the bright fortnight, [current] ?Saka year 1738 = Wednesday, 13th March 1816 CE. Karl-Heinz Golzio ------- End of forwarded message ------- From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Fri Dec 2 21:00:16 2005 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 05 21:00:16 +0000 Subject: Move of the INDOLOGY website Message-ID: <161227077182.23782.5614387904223373676.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> :: The INDOLOGY website is changing The INDOLOGY website will shortly be moving from one internet host to another. There will also be a major upgrade of the interface. These changes are made possible by a grant from the British Academy's Society for South Asian Studies, and the expertise of Richard Mahoney in both indology and web programming. I am most grateful to the SSAS and to Richard for their support in making these upgrades possible. :: What these changes will mean for you? The INDOLOGY website is officially at the address http://www.indology.info This web address will remain the same. But there may be some hiccups in the service over the next week or so, while we move this address from one service provider to another. This change takes place behind the scenes, and the address http://www.indology.info itself doesn't change. I think that the shorter address http://indology.info will also work, but I won't be certain until the change is complete. As I write this (Friday evening, 2 December), the longer address may take you to a new dummy page, and the shorter one (without "www") still takes you to the old indology pages. These transitional disturbances will settle down soon. :: What about the old UCL address? For many years the INDOLOGY website has run out of my personal account at UCL, namely http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/indology.html In fact, until now, the www.indology.info address was nothing more than a redirection to my UCL account. My UCL address will continue to take you to the old INDOLOGY website for a little while. It's use is deprecated. I would ask you please not to use it in your own websites or bookmarks. Soon, I'll change it so that it automatically forwards your browser to the new INDOLOGY website at www.indology.info . But in the long run it will die out as a reference to the INDOLOGY website. :: Now and the future Changing the INDOLOGY website interface has been fun. But it also long overdue. Richard and I have discussed it and checked the new site, although Richard deserves all the credit for its highly professional styling and rigorous formal correctness. The actual content is broadly the same as the former website, although we have done some work on dead links. A future phase of the project will -- subject to funding -- restructure and develop the content substantially. Happy Christmas, Dominik From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE Fri Dec 2 21:13:49 2005 From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 05 22:13:49 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: <43904E43.30810.2E7925@steiner.mailer.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <161227077185.23782.14269333141336040091.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >As jNavaara is indeed Wednesday and the meaning of suta is five, i. e. the five sons of the >Paa.n.davas, Do you have a reference for this meaning? Martin Gansten From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU Sat Dec 3 14:35:36 2005 From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 05 08:35:36 -0600 Subject: Book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077187.23782.1509833611844307468.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hope this is not perceived as a self-promotion -- just a note to inform you about a new book that may be a useful resource published by Motilal. Dharmasuutra Parallels, Motilal, 2005. This contains in four columns on each page the parallel passages in the four ancient Dharmasuutras bearing on a particular topic -- both the Sanskrit and the English translation. Having them visually side by side, I hope, is helpful in seeing the similarities and differences in the treatment of various topics by these texts. Thanks. Patrick From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Dec 3 19:45:43 2005 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 05 13:45:43 -0600 Subject: a Tibetan geography of Russia Message-ID: <161227077192.23782.4622569319157510901.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, In connection with an article I am working on, I have translated the strange and interesting section of Sum-pa mkhan-po's General World Geography ('dzam gling spyi bshad) of 1777, that deals with Russia and Inner Asia. Some aspects of it are very puzzling and, as I am not expert in Mongolian, Turkish or Russian, there are some points I would like to share with colleagues who are. Such critical readers need not be Tibetanists. And anyone who helps at all will of course be thanked in the final publication. The text is quite fun and includes such gems as: tracing the ancestry of Catherine II to Chinggis Khan; artificial insemination of sheep in Kashgar; an introduction to polar bears; tree-milk in Sweden; and much more! (The Indological aspect of the text stems from its basis in the Jambudviipa cosmology.) If you're interested, please send me a message to that effect and I will send you a pdf during the next week, with the transcription of the passage and my draft translation. If you have recommendations of Mongolists, Turkologists or Russia specialists I might contact, I would be grateful for that as well. please respond off-list only. I will be circulating this query on the H-Buddhism list as well, so apologies to those who subscribe to both lists. Matthew Kapstein Chicago and paris From steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE Sat Dec 3 15:47:06 2005 From: steiner at MAILER.UNI-MARBURG.DE (Roland Steiner) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 05 16:47:06 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051202221349.00b8bdc0@pop.lu.se> Message-ID: <161227077190.23782.7781400167290030854.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:41:25 +0100 From: Karl-Heinz Golzio Dear Mr. Gansten, the reference of the meaning "five" (Paa.n.davas) for "suta" is given in D[ines] C[handra] Sircar, Indian Epigraphy, Delhi, Varanasi, Patna 1965, p. 231: "Words meaning 'a son' (suta, putra, etc., probably meaning Paa.n.du's sons) ..." Best wishes Karl-Heinz Golzio ------- End of forwarded message ------- From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE Sat Dec 3 22:41:20 2005 From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 05 23:41:20 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: <20051203164706.j9uryrcmkd8g4wgo@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <161227077194.23782.7917008246368482539.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thank you. The meaning 'five' was my first guess, although I rejected it, largely because no tithi is normally called pancadasi (the tithi after caturdasi being either purnima or amavasya). My idea, however, was that this meaning would be derived from the astrological meaning of the fifth house of a horoscope (pancama-sthana = putra-sthana, etc), not from the number of Pandavas. Martin Gansten >the reference of the meaning "five" (Paa.n.davas) for "suta" is given in D[ines] >C[handra] Sircar, Indian Epigraphy, Delhi, Varanasi, Patna 1965, p. 231: "Words >meaning 'a son' (suta, putra, etc., probably meaning Paa.n.du's sons) ..." > >Best wishes > >Karl-Heinz Golzio > From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Mon Dec 5 08:04:20 2005 From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 05 09:04:20 +0100 Subject: Decoding date in Sanskrit verse In-Reply-To: <20051203164706.j9uryrcmkd8g4wgo@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: <161227077197.23782.3001340579900699951.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Further references: B?hler, Ind. Pal., p. 81, where reference is made back to Burnell, Elements of South Indian Pal. (p. 77). Arlo Griffiths On Dec 3, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Roland Steiner wrote: > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > > Date sent: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:41:25 +0100 > From: Karl-Heinz Golzio > > Dear Mr. Gansten, > > the reference of the meaning "five" (Paa.n.davas) for "suta" is > given in D[ines] > C[handra] Sircar, Indian Epigraphy, Delhi, Varanasi, Patna 1965, p. > 231: "Words > meaning 'a son' (suta, putra, etc., probably meaning Paa.n.du's > sons) ..." > > Best wishes > > Karl-Heinz Golzio > > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Mon Dec 5 14:05:41 2005 From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 05 15:05:41 +0100 Subject: Move of the INDOLOGY website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077199.23782.2053776093330290505.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dominik, Could you, or could Richard Mahoney, please inform me of the most closely allied Buddhological lists that you are aware of? I will soon need to post a job advertisement in this field... Best wishes, Arlo On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > :: The INDOLOGY website is changing > > The INDOLOGY website will shortly be moving from one internet host > to another. There will also be a major upgrade of the interface. > These changes are made possible by a grant from the British > Academy's Society for South Asian Studies, and the expertise of > Richard Mahoney in both indology and web programming. I am most > grateful to the SSAS and to Richard for their support in making > these upgrades possible. > > > > :: What these changes will mean for you? > > The INDOLOGY website is officially at the address > > http://www.indology.info > > This web address will remain the same. But there may be some > hiccups in the service over the next week or so, while we move this > address from one service provider to another. This change takes > place behind the scenes, and the address http://www.indology.info > itself doesn't change. I think that the shorter address http:// > indology.info will also work, but I won't be certain until the > change is complete. > > As I write this (Friday evening, 2 December), the longer address > may take you to a new dummy page, and the shorter one (without > "www") still takes you to the old indology pages. These > transitional disturbances will settle down soon. > > > > :: What about the old UCL address? > > For many years the INDOLOGY website has run out of my personal > account at UCL, namely > > http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/indology.html > > In fact, until now, the www.indology.info address was nothing more > than a redirection to my UCL account. > > My UCL address will continue to take you to the old INDOLOGY > website for a little while. It's use is deprecated. I would ask > you please not to use it in your own websites or bookmarks. Soon, > I'll change it so that it automatically forwards your browser to > the new INDOLOGY website at www.indology.info . But in the long > run it will die out as a reference to the INDOLOGY website. > > > > :: Now and the future > > Changing the INDOLOGY website interface has been fun. But it also > long overdue. Richard and I have discussed it and checked the new > site, although Richard deserves all the credit for its highly > professional styling and rigorous formal correctness. The actual > content is broadly the same as the former website, although we have > done some work on dead links. A future phase of the project will > -- subject to funding -- restructure and develop the content > substantially. > > > Happy Christmas, > > Dominik From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Mon Dec 5 14:08:05 2005 From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 05 15:08:05 +0100 Subject: private message sent by mistake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077202.23782.906865711783677974.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> My apologies for wrongly addressing the last message. (Nevertheless, suggestions are welcome off list.) Arlo Griffiths From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Dec 5 21:26:30 2005 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 05 21:26:30 +0000 Subject: http://indology.info is now live Message-ID: <161227077204.23782.5971624747667660668.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> You can access the new indology website as http://www.indology.info or as just http://indology.info Enjoy! 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Applications should be sent to the following address: Dekan der Philosophischen Fakult?t Universit?t Heidelberg Vo?stra?e 2 Geb?ude 4370 D-69115 Heidelberg From ghezziem at TIN.IT Tue Dec 6 09:43:35 2005 From: ghezziem at TIN.IT (Daniela Rossella) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 05 10:43:35 +0100 Subject: Rathangaduta In-Reply-To: <43954D97.90401@urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <161227077209.23782.5605244069149620270.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear lists, someone can kindly give me news about a certain Rathangaduta, of which I have the Sanskrit text, published in Mumbai in 1857? It does not appear in any lists of dutakavyas presented in also very recent studies about the messenger-poems, like that of Lalita Sengupta (2003). I am eagerly looking for an English or a Hindi translation of this little (97 stanzas) work. Thank you so much. Daniela (ghezziem at tin.it) From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Tue Dec 6 13:26:41 2005 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 05 14:26:41 +0100 Subject: Rathangaduta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077212.23782.9621408074004850121.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:43:35 +0100 Daniela Rossella wrote: > Dear lists, someone can kindly give me news about a >certain Rathangaduta, of > which I have the Sanskrit text, published in Mumbai in >1857? It does not > appear in any lists of dutakavyas presented in also very >recent studies > about the messenger-poems, like that of Lalita Sengupta >(2003). > I am eagerly looking for an English or a Hindi >translation of this little It will probably not help much but you find in the New Catalogus Catalogorum, at least, two entries concerning this work. It has been ascribed to Kalidasa. See 1. New Catalogus Catalogorum Vol. 4, Madras 1968, p. 67b, s.v. Kalidasa 2. New Catalogus Catalogorum Vol. 3, Madras 1967, p. 266ab, s.v. Kavikanthapasa According to these entries the Rathangaduta has been printed along with a work called Kavikanthapasa. However, the NCC does not list manuscripts for the Rathangaduta. This printed edition is listed in the Catalogue of the Sanskrit works in the India Office Library (now part of the British Library): [Rathanga-duta, attributed to Kalidasa]. Sri-Mahakavi Kalidasakrtau Rathanga-duta-Kavi-kamtha-pasakhyau gramthau ... [Telugu char.] Tenali : Rajata Press, 1924. - pp. [1], 2, 24. 18x12 cm Shelfmark No. San B. 785 (m) Furthermore, Sures Chandra Banerji does *not* deal with this work in his: Kalidasa apocrypha / Sures Chandra Banerji. - Varanasi : Chowkhamba Sanskrit Series Office, 1989 (Chowkhamba Sanskrit Studies ; vol. 102) However, he mentions the above quoted edition in his bibliography (p. 319). We don't have the following work here in our library: Dev, Narendra: Meghaduta evam paravartti duta-kavya : Samskrta-sahitya ke 120 duta-kavyom ke kramabaddha sarvangina anusilana, "Samskrtetara-sahitya mem duta-kavya-parampara", "Loka-gitom mem sandesa-preshana", acarcita anya 100 duta-kavyom ke sucana se samanvita vistrta "prakkathana" evam visishta "prastavana" se alankrta samiksha grantha / lekhaka Narendra Deva ; sampadaka Rudradeva Tripathi. - Mandasaura, Ma. Pra. : Sahitya-Samvardhana-Samsthana, 1990. - xiv, 29, 428 p. According to the title it deals with more than 100 duta kavyas. So it may not be improbable that it deals with Rathangaduta, too. All the best Peter Wyzlic -- Indologisches Seminar der Universit?t Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7 D-53113 Bonn Deutschland / Germany From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Tue Dec 6 15:46:40 2005 From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 05 16:46:40 +0100 Subject: Chair in the Study of Buddhism at the Kern Institute, Leiden University Message-ID: <161227077214.23782.11339046706254826593.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, I am pleased to announce that the Leiden Chair in the Study of Buddhism, from which Prof. T.E. Vetter retired five years ago, has just been reopened. The University is now inviting applications, and I request you to pass on this message to colleagues whom you think may be interested to apply. The practicalities are given at the bottom of this message (along with the English version of the profile), and I may add that I myself am also available to provide further information about the position. Please note that applications need to be received by the 6th of January 2006. The Dutch version of this information is available at , vacancy 5-246 of Dec. 5th. Arlo Griffiths Professor of Sanskrit Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden Postbus 9515 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands phone: +31-(0)71-5272622 fax: +31-(0)71-5272956 email: ---- ENGLISH ADVERTISEMENT/PRACTICALITIES ---- The Faculty of Arts is seeking to fill the position of professor (m/f) in the Study of Buddhism (0.6-0.8 fte, initially for a period of five years) vacancy number: 5-246 The position comprises the following tasks: - teaching of courses on the textual sources of Buddhism, on living Buddhism in Sri Lanka and / or the Himalayan region and / or Southeast Asia, and on the relationship between them; - research in this field; - instigating, stimulating and supervising doctoral research in this field; - attracting external financial resources for research and teaching in this field; - performing administrative tasks within the Department of Languages and Cultures of South and Central-Asian Studies. The successful candidate holds a doctorate, and possesses: - excellent research abilities in the field, as appears from a wide range of publications which have appeared ? nationally and internationally ? at leading publishers or in important journals; - excellent teaching qualities and broad experience in offering academic teaching in various forms. - experience in supervision and training of young researchers; - demonstrable expertise with regard to the primary textual sources of Buddhism and its later living forms in Sri Lanka and / or the Himalayan region and / or Southeast Asia; - sound knowledge of at least one Indic/Himalayan canonical language, and of at least one modern South Asian, Southeast Asian or Himalayan language relevant to the study of living Buddhism; - demonstrable ability to attract external funding for teaching and research; - demonstrable administrative and management abilities and the willingness to participate actively in administrative tasks in the department, the relevant research-frameworks and the Faculty of Arts. Expertise in East Asian Buddhism and in Buddhism of other than the mentioned regions, as well as sound knowledge of one or more of the languages relevant there, will be to the candidate?s advantage. If the appointed professor is not conversant with the Dutch language, he / she will be expected to acquire a good command of this language within two years. A trial lecture will form part of the selection process. An assessment of management capabilities will take place as well. Those who consider themselves qualified for this post, as also those who want to draw attention to potential candidates, are to address themselves in writing to the dean of the Faculty of Arts, prof. dr. G.E. Booij, Faculteitsbureau Letteren, Postbus 9515, 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands. The closure date is four weeks from the appearance of this advertisement. Applications are to be accompanied by a curriculum vitae, a list of publications and a plan for future research. A profile can be obtained via the office of the Faculty, reachable at +31-71-527 23 18 / e-mail: m.l.p.remmerswaal at let.leidenuniv.nl, and also on our website: www.letteren.leidenuniv.nl under the head Organisatie and then vacatures. De dean of the faculty is available to given further information about this chair; he can be reached at the mentioned telephone number. Leiden University wishes to hire more women. For this reason, they in particular are invited to submit applications. ---- PROFILE ---- Faculty of Arts, Leiden University Full Professorship in the Study of Buddhism The chair is dedicated to teaching and research in the field of Buddhism. In this field, the chair?s emphasis is on (i) the primary textual sources of Buddhism, (ii) living Buddhism in Sri Lanka and / or in the Himalayas and / or Southeast Asia, and (iii) the relation between the prior two. The appointment is at 0.6-0.8 fte, and will initially be made for a period of five years. If the professorship is carried out successfully the appointment can be made permanent after this period. This post is part of the department of Languages & Cultures of South & Central Asia, but the chair is expected to offer courses in which students interested in Buddhism from other programs can also participate fruitfully; this holds in particular for students from the program in World Religions. The chair?s research activities will be embedded organizationally in the Research School for Asian, African and Amerindian Studies, the CNWS. The successful candidate holds a doctorate. He / she possesses excellent research abilities in the field, as appears from a wide range of publications which have appeared at leading publishers or in important journals. He /she possesses demonstrable expertise with regard to the primary textual sources of Buddhism and its later living forms in one or more of the mentioned regions. In particular, the candidate must have sound knowledge of at least one Indic/ Himalayan canonical language, and at least one modern South Asian, Southeast Asian or Himalayan language relevant to the study of living Buddhism. Expertise in East Asian Buddhism and in Buddhism of other than the mentioned regions, as well as sound knowledge of one or more of the languages relevant there, will be to the candidate?s advantage. He / she also has excellent teaching qualities and has broad experience in university education at the highest level and in various teaching forms. Moreover, he / she is able to set up and give direction to (innovative) teaching projects. He / she is also able to stimulate interest for the field among young academics. The chair will bear (shared) responsibility for, and will be actively engaged in teaching in the BA and MA programs of the department of Languages & Cultures of South & Central Asia, as also in the research oriented MPhil in Asian Studies. Depending on his / her specialization, the chair may also participate in one of the other MPhil programs falling under the Faculty of Arts. The chair and connected staff also participate in the BA and MA programs in World Religions under the Faculty of Theology. His / her contribution to teaching will be arranged in consultation with the colleagues administratively responsible for the concerned programs. The successful candidate is engaged in research in the field of the chair. He / she is able further to develop existing research projects, and to instigate new research. To this aim, he / she is able to attract external funding. The chair will play an active role in the Research School CNWS. The chair will also contribute to attracting, supervising and training young researchers. In giving concrete shape to his / her engagement in the Study of Buddhism, the chair will collaborate closely with his / her colleagues working in this field in the Faculty of Arts and in other faculties of Leiden University. He / she is prepared to promote the cause of his field nationally and internationally, within and beyond the academic community. During the first five years of his / her appointment, the chair will be expected to focus principally on engaging in, instigating, and supervising research, contributing to and developing the teaching curriculum, training of young researchers, and attracting external funding. Since, therefore, the chair will initially have to focus on developing the field, his / her other administrative duties will remain limited during this period. From ghezziem at TIN.IT Wed Dec 7 17:09:26 2005 From: ghezziem at TIN.IT (Daniela Rossella) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 05 18:09:26 +0100 Subject: Rathangaduta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077217.23782.6737317565804350172.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thank you for the very useful suggestions, dearest Professor. Some years ago you have already helped me in finding rare texts. Like > [Rathanga-duta, attributed to Kalidasa]. Sri-Mahakavi > Kalidasakrtau Rathanga-duta-Kavi-kamtha-pasakhyau gramthau > ... [Telugu char.] > Tenali : Rajata Press, 1924. - pp. [1], 2, 24. 18x12 cm > Shelfmark No. San B. 785 (m) Dev, Narendra's work is at the British Library; while > 1. New Catalogus Catalogorum Vol. 4, Madras 1968, p. 67b, > s.v. Kalidasa > 2. New Catalogus Catalogorum Vol. 3, Madras 1967, p. > 266ab, s.v. Kavikanthapasa are at the Library of Congress. Nothing in Italy, as usual. All the best, thank you so much again, Daniela From opfallon at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 9 08:13:11 2005 From: opfallon at YAHOO.COM (oliver fallon) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 05 00:13:11 -0800 Subject: Article on Bhattikavya Message-ID: <161227077219.23782.8141915854276315356.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists, I am trying to track down an article in a festschrift: NARANG S.P., 2003. An analysis of the Prakrta of Bhasa-sama of the Bhatti-kavya (Canto XIII) (On the basis of Jayamangala and Bharatamallika). In: Prof. Mahapatra G.N., Vanijyotih: Felicitation Volume, Utkal University, Bhuvaneshwar. (in press). Does anyone know the email address of the author or know whether the book actually appeared in print and if so where I can get a copy? Please contact me off list if you can help. Many thanks, Oliver Fallon --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU Fri Dec 9 11:48:35 2005 From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 05 06:48:35 -0500 Subject: Article on Bhattikavya Message-ID: <161227077222.23782.13000977437783435660.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Vanijyotih was an Indology journal published at Utkal from 1986 through 1988 (I believe it ceased in 1988?). If the felicitation volume was issued, it is probably within that range. The journal is fairly widely held in libraries, who might not have separately cataloged the felicitation volume as a separate monograph -- hence it would not appear in their catalogs, and you would have to browse the actual volumes for the three years of publication to find the article you want. Meanwhile, I will put in a request to see if the three-year closed run of Vanijyotih can be added to the titles indexed at the article level in the Bibliography of Asian Studies. Best, David Magier Columbia University Libraries --On December 9, 2005 12:13:11 AM -0800 oliver fallon wrote: > Dear Indologists, > I am trying to track down an article in a festschrift: > > NARANG S.P., 2003. An analysis of the Prakrta of Bhasa-sama of the > Bhatti-kavya (Canto XIII) (On the basis of Jayamangala and > Bharatamallika). In: Prof. Mahapatra G.N., Vanijyotih: Felicitation > Volume, Utkal University, Bhuvaneshwar. (in press). > Does anyone know the email address of the author or know whether the > book actually appeared in print and if so where I can get a copy? Please > contact me off list if you can help. > Many thanks, > Oliver Fallon > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Fri Dec 9 22:26:26 2005 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 05 22:26:26 +0000 Subject: Knuth on Indian combinatorics Message-ID: <161227077224.23782.11996093638617806658.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Historians of mathematics may be interested to see that the computer scientist Emeritus Prof. Don Knuth, Stanford, has written a short "History of Combinatorial Generation" in which he deals with a number of early combinatoric systems, including those in Pingala's Chandahsutra, Kedara's Vrttaratnakara, in the Prakrita Paingala, and Narayana Pandita's work. The pre-publication fascicle is available as a PostScript file at: http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/%7Eknuth/fasc4b.ps.gz Prof. Knuth will pay you a cheque if you find errors in his work. See http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/%7Eknuth/news.html Best, Dominik From veerankp at GMAIL.COM Sat Dec 10 10:59:05 2005 From: veerankp at GMAIL.COM (veeranarayana Pandurangi) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 05 16:29:05 +0530 Subject: Article on Bhattikavya In-Reply-To: <20051209081311.90869.qmail@web50413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227077226.23782.13857983060230059199.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> dear you can contact Narang spnarang at yahoo.com veeranaryana Pandurangi On 12/9/05, oliver fallon wrote: > > Dear Indologists, > I am trying to track down an article in a festschrift: > > NARANG S.P., 2003. An analysis of the Prakrta of Bhasa-sama of the > Bhatti-kavya (Canto XIII) (On the basis of Jayamangala and Bharatamallika). > In: Prof. Mahapatra G.N., Vanijyotih: Felicitation Volume, Utkal > University, Bhuvaneshwar. (in press). > > Does anyone know the email address of the author or know whether the book > actually appeared in print and if so where I can get a copy? Please contact > me off list if you can help. > > Many thanks, > Oliver Fallon > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > From srangan at YORKU.CA Sat Dec 10 23:54:58 2005 From: srangan at YORKU.CA (Shyam Ranganathan) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 05 18:54:58 -0500 Subject: call for papers Message-ID: <161227077228.23782.283051816810044770.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Call for papers on Indian Philosophy (please excuse cross-postings) ****************************************************************** The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy (http://www.iep.utm.edu/) is requesting article submissions on Indian Philosophy. Founded in 1995 and run by an international board of editors, the IEP is open to articles written by professionally trained philosophers and scholars of South Asian religion and thought. Indian philosophy submissions that supersede the expertise of the Acting Area Editor for Indian philosophy (the bulk of submissions) are subject to the approval of blind, anonymous referees who are expert in the relevant field. The IEP currently receives approximately 3,000 hits per day, with the greatest percentage coming from university students. Unlike most printed philosophy reference works, the IEP is continually revised and updated. For an unexhaustive list of desired articles and articles under production in Indian philosophy, please see http://www.yorku.ca/srangan/DesiredArticleList.htm. For more information on submissions, please see http://www.iep.utm.edu/submit.htm or contact Shyam Ranganathan (Acting Area Editor, Indian Philosophy IEP): indian-philosophy at shyam.org. From srangan at YORKU.CA Sun Dec 11 00:02:53 2005 From: srangan at YORKU.CA (Shyam Ranganathan) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 05 19:02:53 -0500 Subject: call for papers, correction Message-ID: <161227077230.23782.6439177438224677172.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology members. Many apologies. The correct link for author information for the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy is to be found here: http://www.iep.utm.edu/1/author.htm Shyam Ranganathan From jlc at CCR.JUSSIEU.FR Tue Dec 13 11:14:07 2005 From: jlc at CCR.JUSSIEU.FR (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 05 12:14:07 +0100 Subject: "Classical Tamil Winter School becomes Summer Seminar" (Pondicherry, 31st July - 25th August 2006) Message-ID: <161227077232.23782.17787931349464657183.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indology list members, I have just received the following information which may be of interest to some of you (see below) Best wishes -- Jean-Luc Chevillard ******************************************* "Classical Tamil Winter School becomes Summer Seminar" Yes, the CTWS will take place in 2006 for the 4th time - but it will be a Classical Tamil Summer Seminar (CTSS) for a change. (This is due to reasons of organisation, and hopefully we will go back to normal in winter 2007.) The plan for 2006 is, as was promised, an intensive reading of PuRam poetry, since in 2005 we concentrated on Akam texts. For the first two weeks we will read PuRanANURu with pandit T.V. Gopal Iyer. His selection of poems will include not only martial poems and praise of kings, but will emphasize also the more philosophical and didactic elements to be found in that anthology. We will make use also of the extensive manuscript material collected in the last year. The second half of the course will be devoted to sections from the TiruviLaiyATaRpurANam, a collection of narratives dealing with the pastimes of Shiva in Maturai, perhaps of the 17th century. One of the stories we will read is a retelling of the Cankam legend, an account of Shiva composing a Cankam poem at the king's request - and being criticised by a scholar of the court. All the details on: From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Tue Dec 13 11:41:41 2005 From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 05 12:41:41 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Classical Tamil Summer Serminar Message-ID: <161227077234.23782.15571016830838847437.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Eva Wilden" > Date: December 13, 2005 9:59:49 AM GMT+01:00 > Subject: Classical Tamil Summer Serminar > > Dear friends and collegues, > > at long last, but here it is: the announcement for the Classical > Tamil Winter School 2006, which will be a Classical Tamil Summer > Seminar. > > Here the most important information at a glance > (for details please see http://www.efeo.fr/ctws/index.htm): > > The CTSS 2006 will take place in the Pondicherry centre of the EFEO > from July 31 to August 25. Our main texts will be the PuRanANURu > and the TiruviLaiyATaRpurANa. > > And an additional piece of news for those who would like to listen > in: on the days preceding the CTSS (26-28 July) we will have a > workshop with the title: > "Between Preservation and Recreation: Tamil Traditions of > Commentary in Pursuit of the Cankam Era" > > Hope to see many of you in summer. > > All the best > Eva Wilden > From s-sarbacker at NORTHWESTERN.EDU Wed Dec 14 17:03:34 2005 From: s-sarbacker at NORTHWESTERN.EDU (Stuart Ray Sarbacker) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 05 11:03:34 -0600 Subject: Yoga Consultation Message-ID: <161227077236.23782.4419006883376714147.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Colleagues, On behalf of the steering committee, I am writing to you to announce the formation of, and solicit your participation in, a new consultation at the American Academy Religion entitled "Theory and Practice of Yoga." It has been approved to run for three years, beginning in 2006, with the possibility of renewal or change of status (towards more permanent or orientation towards publication) at the end of that term. For the 2006 Annual Meeting, which will be in Washington, D.C. from November 18th to the 21st, we plan to have an inaugural panel on the topic of the formation of "modern yoga" with an emphasis on the tension between "construction" and "transcendence," and likely another co-sponsored panel with one of the other AAR program units. I hope that you will be interested in taking part in this timely conversation. I would encourage people who have an interest in the topic and want to be involved to send me their contact information. One of the goals of the consultation is to provide a venue that brings together the international community of scholars working on the topic to facilitate collaboration across geographic and disciplinary boundaries. Best Wishes, Stuart Sarbacker Northwestern University *** Consultation Outline: The new consultation will seek to elucidate the relationship between religious and sectarian representations of yoga in Indian history and the profoundly fascinating contemporary yoga culture that is emerging. Among other topics that will be addressed in our consultation are a number of important works on the emergence of modern yoga out of the encounter between Indian and European culture in the late 19th and early 20th century. This topic is focused on the "missing link" between contemporary formulations of yoga and the late-medieval precursors from which they establish their authority. The consultation will also address changing paradigms with respect to the nature and function of yoga in the Indian context, such as the role and importance of magical powers in yoga practice, a topic that is redefining the way that yoga is understood both historically and in its current manifestations. It will also examine the relative pervasiveness of spiritual and religious ideologies in manifest or latent forms within the contemporary yoga scene, and the overarching sociological relevance of yoga within global culture. The goal of the consultation is to provide a venue in which the body of scholars working in this area will be able to collectively evaluate this extremely timely material. We will actively pursue scholars from Europe, Asia, and other areas that have worked at length on these issues, so as to bring an important international component to the consultation. Methodologically speaking, it should be emphasized that this consultation will embrace the broader principles of the History of Religions method, attempting to balance critical and historical study with an empathetic attitude towards the practices and experiences associated with yoga. This will allow a plurality of methods, such as the historical, philosophical, philological, sociological, and anthropological approaches, to be represented. This particular area of study is well-suited to such a plurality of approaches, as the practice of yoga is represented in both ancient history and contemporary culture, lending to its developmental importance in Indian traditions and as part of the Hindu and Buddhist diaspora in the 20th and 21st century. The idea of "practice" will be examined in the seminar not with the intention to propagate any particular form of sectarian practice, but for the purpose of understanding the importance of embodied ascetic discipline within the range of physical and mental disciplines that fall under the rubric of "yoga." One of the key questions that has emerged with regard to the academic study of contemporary yoga practices is the question of if we can adequately reconstruct the development of these practices in such a way as to link them to traditional and historical narratives. These studies, and others, are ripe for exploration in terms of the light they can shine on issues of religious modernity in general and the role of yoga as a transnational ideology and praxis. Likewise, the way in which yoga exists on the boundary between modernity with respect to its physical benefits (health, etc.) and spiritual explorations (especially sectarian identity) makes it a profoundly interesting place to examine where secularism and religion appear to intersect. There have also been several recent historical and textual studies on that deal with the appropriation of magical power through yoga technique. These studies represent a shift in thinking with respect to scholarship on yoga that deserves significant attention. This shift is a move away from 19th and 20th century scholarship that portrayed Indian ascetic techniques in an extremely idealistic light, towards a more realistic and measured approach that recognizes the import that these traditions put upon the worldly benefits of practice. In addition to changing our perspective with respect to the uses and purposes of yoga practice, this also can be a basis for re-examining the role of yoga in popular culture (such as in so-called "hot" yoga) as a means of power and success that is not rooted in soteriological purposes. Furthermore, there are numerous other discussions to be had regarding the importance of secularized (and often economically driven) versions of key aspects of yoga, such as rituals of initiation (diksa) and the role of the guru within modern yoga organizations and enterprises. These topics and others will examine the way in which recent scholarship on the topic can help explicate the structure, meaning, and purpose of contemporary yoga practices by placing them in historical and critical perspective. The chairpersons for the consultation will be Christopher Chapple of Loyola Marymount University and Stuart Sarbacker of Northwestern University. Gavin Flood of Oxford University, Lloyd Pflueger of Truman State University, Ian Whicher of the University of Manitoba, David Gordon White of the University of California Santa Barbara, and Lola Williamson of the University of Wisconsin will serve as steering committee members. -- Dr. Stuart Sarbacker Lecturer in Religion Director of Undergraduate Studies Department of Religion Northwestern University http://www.religion.northwestern.edu/faculty/sarbacker.html From arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Wed Dec 21 17:13:17 2005 From: arlo.griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 05 18:13:17 +0100 Subject: Leiden Indological Summerschool 2006 Message-ID: <161227077238.23782.12032534165695845331.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, I am happy to announce the first Leiden Indological Summer School, which will take place in August 2006. Please read more about the Summer School at , and please do inform any students who may be interested in participating. We believe we have a very stimulating (and demanding) program to offer, at relatively low costs. If there turns out to be a lot of interest in the Summer School, we may have to select students. Please also note the possibilities for taking courses in the parallel Indo-European and Russian Summer Schools. Arlo Griffiths Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden Postbus 9515 2300 RA Leiden, the Netherlands phone: +31-(0)71-5272622 fax: +31-(0)71-5272956 email: From bimahony at DAVIDSON.EDU Thu Dec 22 15:28:19 2005 From: bimahony at DAVIDSON.EDU (William Mahony) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 05 10:28:19 -0500 Subject: Announcement of Muktabodha Dissertation Fellowship Message-ID: <161227077240.23782.12518872859271639911.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear INDOLOGY Colleagues, Please feel free to announce this dissertation research fellowship to any students you feel would be qualified and interested in applying. Thank you, William K. Mahony Professor of Religion Davidson College President, Muktabodha Indological Research Institute. *********** NAME OF FELLOWSHIP: Muktabodha Indological Research Institute Dissertation Research Fellowship in Shaiva Tantra Studies AMOUNT OF AWARD Up to $10,000 per student, to be used between June 2005 and December 2006. QUALIFICATIONS: Applicants must have completed their doctoral coursework in a Religion, South Asian Studies, or related program and are now undertaking their dissertation research. Fellows will normally use their grants to support them while undertaking research in India. FIELD OF STUDY: Preference will be given to projects undertaking the study of the Shaiva Tantra. Applications for studies in Hindu Tantra or a closely related field will also be considered. APPLICATION DEADLINE: February 15, 2006. ANNOUNCEMENT OF AWARDS: Approximately March 15, 2006. FOR APPLICATION MATERIALS, PLEASE GO TO: www.muktabodha.org Information also available via: Muktabodha Indological Research Institute P. O. Box 8585 Emeryville, CA 94662 info at muktabodha.org 510-655-2170 From bimahony at DAVIDSON.EDU Thu Dec 22 19:33:52 2005 From: bimahony at DAVIDSON.EDU (William Mahony) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 05 14:33:52 -0500 Subject: Correction in Muktabodha Fellowship award period Message-ID: <161227077242.23782.15801928553520456472.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, Please note this correction in the award period for the Muktabodha Fellowship in Shaiva Tantra Studies announced earlier. Students awarded the 2006 awards would use their fellowships between June 2006 and December 2007. I apologize for the earlier mistake. William K. Mahony Professor of Religion Davidson College President Muktabodha Indological Research Institute From nlpdept at YAHOO.CO.IN Sat Dec 24 10:25:19 2005 From: nlpdept at YAHOO.CO.IN (Srinivasa Varakhedi) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 05 10:25:19 +0000 Subject: http://indology.info is now live In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077244.23782.17757133141591821806.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear meber, Kindly tell me if anybody knows about the copyright principles for E-contents presented on web? New website of SANSKNET {Rasshtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha} is ready to host. But, the authorities want to have some licence for downloading etc., Kindly write to me personally if anybody of you is knowldegable in such issues. regards, shrivara. Dominik Wujastyk wrote: You can access the new indology website as http://www.indology.info or as just http://indology.info Enjoy! Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Dec 26 14:20:41 2005 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 05 14:20:41 +0000 Subject: http://indology.info is now live In-Reply-To: <20051224102519.88151.qmail@web8513.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227077246.23782.7235240411026594369.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The indology.info website contains a lot of information on copyright, including links to authoritative external copyright statements. See http://indology.info/etexts/ To be very general about this, if the RSV is going to put materials on the web, then it has to recognise that these materials will be taken and used by anybody for anything. The whole point of putting Sanskrit and related texts on the web is to make these materials available to scholarship. The one thing most text-providers do not want is for third parties to take what we put on the web, and sell it for profit. This isn't likely to be a great danger, since any re-seller has to compete with the free availability of materials on the net. But the reseller could add value, e.g., display fonts, search engines, TEI retagging, etc. If we want to stop profiteering, then we should put a license at the top of the documents we release saying, broadly, "These texts are free for scholars; anyone else must contact the text-provider for a appropriate license". One possible actual statement is that put at the top of the Astangahrdaya files by Emmerick and Das: == begin quote == The copyright holders give permission for this file to be distributed freely for academic, non-commercial purposes. This file may not be sold or distributed in any manner requiring payment, either alone, or with other texts. And it must not be used as part of any software system which is sold or distributed other than freely. If you desire to make such use of this file, you must contact the copyright holders for permission to do so. Any (free) software system that makes use of this file must include a clear acknowledgement of the copyright holders' copyright which should display each time the program runs. The copyright holders would be grateful to be informed of any substantial uses made of this file. == end quote == Once the RSV materials are public, I should be delighted to add a link from indology.info. Best, Dominik Wujastyk On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Srinivasa Varakhedi wrote: > Dear meber, > Kindly tell me if anybody knows about the copyright principles for E-contents presented on web? > > New website of SANSKNET {Rasshtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha} is ready to > host. But, the authorities want to have some licence for downloading > etc., Kindly write to me personally if anybody of you is knowldegable in > such issues. > > regards, > shrivara. > > Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > You can access the new indology website as > > http://www.indology.info > > or as just > > http://indology.info > > Enjoy! > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET Mon Dec 26 19:46:21 2005 From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 05 19:46:21 +0000 Subject: Domestication of elephant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077248.23782.15942503776273902787.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A friend has asked me the following question: when was the elephant first domesticated in India? I was sure that someone on this list must know something... Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK From jkirk at SPRO.NET Tue Dec 27 17:35:22 2005 From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 10:35:22 -0700 Subject: Domestication of elephant Message-ID: <161227077263.23782.10839192853702807182.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Reminds me of the disappearance of the tiger from Korea---as with the Chinese elephant: they probably exterminated them for food and/or medicine. The vegetarianism of most of India no doubt saved a lot of wild species. Of course, when during colonization the shooters came along, it became a different story. Still, elephants and tigers (sort of) survive in India, thank heavens. Joanna K. ================================================== it May be of interest to know that elephants were domesticated in early China as well and that their bones appear in Shang tombs (these were native elephants which have long since died out or been killed off) Cheers John John C. Huntington, Professor (Buddhist Art and Methodologies) Department of the History of Art The Ohio State University Columbus, OH, U.S.A. From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Dec 27 16:12:01 2005 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 11:12:01 -0500 Subject: Domestication of elephant Message-ID: <161227077253.23782.14225574467532259875.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Might the Harappan "feeding trough" indicate at least that the animals were captured though not tamed? Is there anything to indicate a stockade around them? Didn't Chandragupta make a gift of elephants to Seleucus? I think I remember that Porus's army against Alexander a generation earlier contained elephants, but am not sure. It should be easy to check out. Allen Thrasher >>> yavass at MAIL.RU 12/27/05 7:12 AM >>> Dear Valerie, as far as I know the earliest artistic *representation* of the domesticated elephant (a chakravartin's elephant)is on the Indian "rattle-mirror" from a royal burial of Scythian Pazyryk archeological culture in the Altai mountains. The mirror is of pre-Mauryan date, approximately Vth or IVth century BC. Harappan representations of elephants with a "feeding trough" in front of the animal's trunk can not be seen as an evidence for domestication because the trough is usually represented in the same way in front of tigers, rhynoceroses and other wild animals. Yaroslav Vassilkov -----Original Message----- From: Valerie J Roebuck To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:46:21 +0000 Subject: Domestication of elephant > > A friend has asked me the following question: when was the elephant > first domesticated in India? I was sure that someone on this list > must know something... > > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK > From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 27 17:03:31 2005 From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 12:03:31 -0500 Subject: Domestication of elephant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077259.23782.7914119399027518945.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Valerie and list members, The elephant was already a complex part of Harappan iconography by the time of the main seal tradition, It occurs both alone and as part of a composite bovid http://tinyurl.com/cq3pr (left side of the third line down, double click image) strongly suggesting a very detailed knowledge of the elephant. Further at least one of the seals I have photographs of has a cloth across its back. http://tinyurl.com/aw3gx (sorry about the small image! This was a very early posting mid 90's and we need to update it) Three others have a rope around the torso just behind the front legs presumably for the safety of a rider. Accordingly, I would have to suggest that the direct evidence is for full domestication. In spite of Yaroslav's comment, I do not have any pictures of Harappan elephant seals with the elephant at a "manger" or a "feeding trough" it May be of interest to know that elephants were domesticated in early China as well and that their bones appear in Shang tombs (these were native elephants which have long since died out or been killed off) Cheers John John C. Huntington, Professor (Buddhist Art and Methodologies) Department of the History of Art The Ohio State University Columbus, OH, U.S.A. On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:12 AM, ??????? ????????? wrote: Harappan representations of elephants with a "feeding trough" in front of the animal's trunk can not be seen as an evidence for domestication because the trough is usually represented in the same way in front of tigers, rhynoceroses and other wild animals. Yaroslav Vassilkov -----Original Message----- From: Valerie J Roebuck > > A friend has asked me the following question: when was the elephant > first domesticated in India? I was sure that someone on this list > must know something... > > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK > From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Dec 27 19:39:33 2005 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 14:39:33 -0500 Subject: Fwd: SV: Domestication of elephant Message-ID: <161227077267.23782.11525423949437571093.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Lars Martin sent this to me, confirming and elaborating on my vague memories of Porus et al. Allen >>> "Lars Martin Fosse" 12/27/05 1:24 PM >>> Allen, The following message was rejected by Indology for technical reasons. You may repost it on my behalf if you like! Lars Martin ************************ I am away from my library, but I seem to remember the following: Seleukos made a treaty with Candragupta to the effect that Seleukos should withdraw from a certain amount of Indian territory, but receive some 500 war elephants in return. Indian war elephants were very popular in the Middle East, and such elephants managed by Indian mahouts are also mentioned in the first book of Maccabees. Kings that did not have access to Indian elephants tried to fill the "elephant gap" by means of African elephants. However, the Romans found out how to handle elephants in the field (just as they were able to handle chariots), and the strategic advantage to fielding war elephants was eventually vastly reduced. Judging by the description in the Arthashastra, the elephants also functioned as bulldozers and pathmakers in the jungle. Incidentally, Porus' army did contain elephants. But the Greeks, like the Romans later, knew how to handle them. Lars Martin Fosse Lars Martin Fosse lmfosse at online.no -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] P? vegne av Allen W Thrasher Sendt: 27. desember 2005 17:12 Til: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Emne: Re: Domestication of elephant Might the Harappan "feeding trough" indicate at least that the animals were captured though not tamed? Is there anything to indicate a stockade around them? Didn't Chandragupta make a gift of elephants to Seleucus? I think I remember that Porus's army against Alexander a generation earlier contained elephants, but am not sure. It should be easy to check out. Allen Thrasher >>> yavass at MAIL.RU 12/27/05 7:12 AM >>> Dear Valerie, as far as I know the earliest artistic *representation* of the domesticated elephant (a chakravartin's elephant)is on the Indian "rattle-mirror" from a royal burial of Scythian Pazyryk archeological culture in the Altai mountains. The mirror is of pre-Mauryan date, approximately Vth or IVth century BC. Harappan representations of elephants with a "feeding trough" in front of the animal's trunk can not be seen as an evidence for domestication because the trough is usually represented in the same way in front of tigers, rhynoceroses and other wild animals. Yaroslav Vassilkov -----Original Message----- From: Valerie J Roebuck To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:46:21 +0000 Subject: Domestication of elephant > > A friend has asked me the following question: when was the elephant > first domesticated in India? I was sure that someone on this list > must know something... > > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK > From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Dec 27 16:32:00 2005 From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 16:32:00 +0000 Subject: Smear Campaign vs. M. Witzel (II) (fwd) Message-ID: <161227077255.23782.10690683777006323987.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Part II: Recent Smears against Michael Witzel When other things fail, Hindutva groups traditionally try slander. And that's what they are now trying with Michael Witzel. The Hindutva misinformation campaign, which started several weeks ago, reached new heights in the last 48 hours with publication of a grotesquely distorted article on Christmas day in the rightwing New Delhi newspaper, _The Pioneer_. For those of you who haven't seen the article yet, here it is: http://tinyurl.com/8eofw A plaintext version of the article on my server, if this article disappears or is altered: http://www.safarmer.com/pioneer.html Its many inaccuracies will be obvious immediately to those who have read the background materials presented in Part I, above. Other inaccuracies will be noted below. The timing -- and at points even the exact language -- of this blatantly defamatory piece overlaps with an Internet petition aimed at Harvard University (my copy arrived on Christmas eve), which among much else calls for the disbanding of Harvard University's Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies (not coincidentally, Michael's department). The cover letter of the petition -- all of it that many people will probably see before signing it -- starts with what appears at first to be a progressive agenda, perfect for Christmas eve: > To defend the best liberal traditions that we all hold > dear, I hope you will take a moment to please sign the > petition at the url below, to support our effort to > get the religious hate groups (you know which ones..) > from using Harvard facilities and resources. The > Petition is developed by well-wishers of Harvard > university, concerned over the increasing intrusion by > religious hate groups into our environment. I am sure > you will agree with us. The inside of the petition, which is several clicks away, drops the 'liberal' facade. A few highlights: * Our Indo-Eurasian_Research List is characterized (just as it is in the _Pioneer_ article) as an "Internet hate group". * Harvard is linked with supposed "anti-Semitic Nazi groups", and Michael is characterized as "Harvard's Aryan Supremicist Sanskrit Professor." (The irony of the fact that real historical links existed in its formative years between Hindutva and the Nazis is apparently unknown to the petition's authors.) * I'm characterized as Michael's "assistant", apparently working with him at Harvard, despite the fact that I live in California, many of thousands of kilometers away from Harvard, on the opposite side of the United States. * One choice quotation from the petition pictures Michael as an "Aryan Supremicist" -- the writers apparently have blond blue-eyed Germans in mind -- and me as a "Creationist", which I suspect would please my relatives, who have long suspected that I harbor irreligious evolutionary tendencies: > Witzel?s screeching against the community is often part of his > marketing of the ?Aryan Invasion Theory? (AIT), now re-packaged as > "Aryan Influx Theory". This marries Farmer?s Creationist dogma, with > Witzel?s Aryan Supremacist requirement that all civilization must have > emanated from his ?Aryan? Caucasian roots. Devoid of intellectual > substance, this gang personally abuses anyone who cites the growing > scientific evidence debunking ?AIT?. The evidence points to > distributed local evolution of civilization, independent of any > Caucasian influx. Back to the _Pioneer_ piece: http://tinyurl.com/8eofw Just a few points on one scientific issue and on various defamatory materials in the text: it would take a book to straighten out all half truths and lies in this hatchet job: 1. The idea that DNA studies support the Hindutva view that there was no movement of Indo-Eurasian speakers in antiquity into India, ascribed in the article to S. Metzenberg (one of the conservative members of the advisory CC, who is _not_ on the Board of Education) is ludicrous. For every study that makes such claims, as another CC member (the physicist C. Munger) accurately pointed out to Metzenberg, others can be cited that 'prove' exactly the opposite. As is well known to every researcher in population genetics, such studies are based on modern genetic data back-projected into historical times using very iffy theoretical models of genetic drift. The result is that the error bars are literally thousands of years long in every such study. One implication of this is that the temporal resolution of such studies is far too low to make _any_ statistically significant judgments about population movements _except_ for those involving extremely ancient pre-historical periods -- coming tens of thousands of years before any putative IE movements into India. All this is well-known to serious researchers -- we have made sure that cutting-edge population geneticists are in attendance at every yearly Harvard Roundtable -- but that doesn't prevent the repetitive misuse of these genetic studies by Hindutva groups every time a new study of this type pops up. (The old article Metzenberg had in hand was published in 1999 (Kivisild et al.), and is well-known to everyone; it doesn't even use y-chromosome but mitochondrial DNA data, which only is pertinent to tracing female populations; I first discussed that paper at length in 2000.) 2. The idea that Michael has "contempt for Indians who live and work in the US" is ridiculous: he works with them daily, and counts them among his best friends and students. (Obviously many of them have also endorsed the Board of Education letters, and many others are on this List.) 3. Michael is the *last* person I would ever think of as a 'racist'. Anyone who knows his immediate family, which is more Asian than Caucasian (!), in fact, would be more than a bit startled to hear such claims. 4. The quotations ascribed to Michael in the _Pioneer_ article are consistently ripped out of context and reformulated to make it appear that they involve hate or ridicule aimed at the S. Asian community. It would take a lot of time to show this quotation by quotation, but to do so would be intellectually trivial. lThere isn't an ounce of hate that I've ever seen in Michael Witzel, after knowing and collaborating with him on many articles and projects now in the last half decade. 5. Previous idiocies in publisher-submitted textbooks have absolutely nothing to do with Michael and have in fact been sharply criticized by him in discussions with both the publishers and the California Department of Education. Historical inaccuracies arising from corporate ignorance, however, are obviously quite distinct from Hindutva groups trying to stick politically and religiously inspired edits into US kids' 6th-grade textbooks. 6. The fictionalized account in the _Pioneer_ article that makes it appear that Michael appeared before the Board of Education (which the article confuses with the Curriculum Commission), which subsequently rejected his views as "unscholarly, insensitive, biased and devoid of facts -- heaping ridicule on the Harvard brand" never happened. Michael never went to California, never appeared before the Board, and certainly wasn't at the CC meeting. Far from having his views rejected by the Board of Education, he was specifically charged by the Board of Education (as part of an official 'Content Review Panel' with Dr. Wolpert and Dr. Heitzman) with vetting the earlier edits submitted by the VF and HEF. 7. Just as in the petitions aimed at Harvard, the Indo-Eurasian_Research list is once again misrepresented in _The Pioneer_ as an "Internet hate group." Opposing attempts to rewrite history for political and religious purposes does not qualify us or any other group for such a label. These rightwing groups have had a terrible effect on research in premodern fields, and correcting the false image they present of history is an unfortunate (and obviously thankless) part of our job. I should add in conclusion that until November a tiny percentage of the (now) 2600+ messages made on the List since we opened for business last April have anything to do with Hindutva. Hopefully, after the California business is over, we can forget these extremist groups for at least a short while and go back to exploring advanced research issues in pan-Eurasian studies, which is the real purpose of this List. (Steve Farmer) ********************* ------------------------------------ Prof Dr Walter Slaje Hermann-Loens-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar (Germany) Tel/Fax: +49-(0)3643 501391 www.indologie.uni-halle.de Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor me studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Dec 27 16:33:00 2005 From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 16:33:00 +0000 Subject: Smear Campaign vs. M. Witzel (III) (fwd) Message-ID: <161227077261.23782.14857014625594987260.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Part III There are three Hindu groups involved closely in the California proceedings. We've said a bit about them in previous posts, so here I'll just give the quickest of summaries: 1. The VEDIC FOUNDATION in Texas. Their proposed edits to California textbooks are the most ridiculous of all of them. This is no wonder, given their views of ancient history, which have it (in webpages now largely removed) that Indian civilization reaches back 1,972 million years -- over 1.7 billion years before the age of dinosaurs. >???From Internet Archives for one of their rapidly disappearing webpages: http://tinyurl.com/du4kq (Don't miss this little gem if you haven't seen it before!) For those of you who don't recognize the political significance of the standard Hindutva claim that 'Aryans' are homegrown in India, please pay close attention to the first item on their "Do You Know" list! For the story of how this and other VF pages disappeared down the seemingly bottomless Hindutva 'memory hole': http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/2623 2. The HINDU EDUCATION FOUNDATION, in Silicon Valley. This is a much more politically oriented group than the VF. It arose as a "project" of the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS) (as noted in an HSS webpage now only available to password holders, though as usual a copy lives on in our files). The group was set up specifically for projects like the California campaign. Its "Advisors" include infamous Hindutva propagandists including S. Kalyanaraman and David Frawley -- the latter the American adherent of "Vedic Astrology" and the "Out of India" theory who claims in his books that American Indians came from India. Their list of advisors, for as long as this webpage stays up: http://www.hindueducation.org/advisors.htm 3. The HINDU AMERICAN FOUNDATION. This is the most problematic of the groups, as I've repeatedly point, since their public persona has it that they are a "Human Rights Organization" representing 2 million (!) Hindu Americans. Please note that according to US census figures this is far more than the total number of Indians (Muslims, Dalits, and Tamils included) living in the US, let alone conservative Hindus. You won't find a visible trace of Hindutva anyplace on their webpage, but when you dig beneath the surface, you'll soon find that the President of HAF, Mihir Meghani, has a long history of links with the rightwing in India. See, e.g., his famous manifesto from 1998 -- "Hindutva: The Great Nationalist Ideology" -- which is still found (at this minute, anyway) on the official BJP website in India: http://bjp.org/history/htvintro-mm.html Read this one carefully: it is another gem, although not very funny. See also my discussion of HAF in a post earlier this week, which cites legal threats (actually illegal harassment, under California law) from the group received in the last few weeks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/2616 *************************** Finally, for anyone not acquainted with Michael's writings on Indology, see the following bibliography, where you can download many of his works as PDF files: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Ewitzel/mwbib.htm For his personal homepage: ttp://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm -- Besides holding the Wales Chair in Sanskrit at Harvard University, Michael was elected as a Fellow to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2003. -- He is the editor-in-chief of the Harvard Oriental Series, the oldest continuous Western publication series in the field, which first appeared in 1891. On HOS, see: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/hos.htm -- Michael is editor-in-chief of _Mother Tongue_, one of the most innovative research journals devoted to comparative and historical linguistics. He is also the editor-in-chief of the _Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies_, which has published a long series of important studies in the past decade. Michael's own writings in the past several decades have fundamentally altered the way that all of us, both in Indology and comparative history (my field), have viewed ancient India in particular and ancient history in general. One of the most influential of his studies appeared in a ground-breaking book that he edited in 1997, _Inside and Outside the Texts: New Approaches to the Vedas_, which contains major essays not only by Michael but by Joel Brereton, George Cardona, Tatyana Elizarenkova, Harry Falk, Hans Henrich Hock, Asko Parpola, Wilhelm Rau, and many others. Michael's essays in this volume have fundamentally changed the way we picture historical data in Vedic texts, and they have had a long lasting effect on my own research. (The two of us are now extending part of this work in dimensions that reach far beyond India.) Finally, it should be mentioned that the 1989 workshop that gave rise to _Inside and Outside the Texts_ grew eventually into the increasingly important yearly Harvard Roundtables on the Ethnogenisis of South and Central Asia, which is now entering its 8th year. (This year's conference was held in Kyoto, Japan, and next year's will again be held in Asia, at a very exciting location still not publicly announced.) The Indo-Eurasian_Research List is an off-shoot of those Roundable meetings. Certainly no one who works through our archives with any care, starting at the beginning, will end up concluding that we are an "Internet hate List". Let me end on a personal notes: Michael Witzel is one of the most intelligent, most humanistic, and also the very funniest men I know. He is a wonderful collaborator to boot, and it has been a privilege to work with him. The smear campaign aimed at him is obscene -- it is the first word that comes to mind thinking about it-- and I hope and expect that a lot of other people will speak out in his public defense. Steve Farmer -------------------------------- Prof Dr Walter Slaje Hermann-Loens-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar (Germany) Tel/Fax: +49-(0)3643 501391 www.indologie.uni-halle.de Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor me studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Dec 27 16:53:00 2005 From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 16:53:00 +0000 Subject: Smear Campaign vs. M. Witzel (I) (fwd) Message-ID: <161227077257.23782.12804100117865634457.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I thought the following message of Steve Farmer (Indo-Eurasia List) absolutely deserves the attention of members of the Indology List, too. The full text is in three parts. Christmas Day Dear List, Weekends and holidays are our usual times to discuss questions on the List of a lighter sort. This post is not light in tone, and writing it is not the sort of thing anyone wants to undertake, or others to read, on a holiday. I apologize in advance for its length, but it has to be kept in one piece due to the critical subjects that it covers. It is important for List members to recognize that a highly coordinated smear campaign -- uglier and on a bigger scale than any we've experienced before -- was launched this Christmas in India and the United States against Michael Witzel, Wales Professor of Sanskrit at Harvard University and co-founder of this List. Examples of things being said about Michael, both in the rightwing press and in petitions aimed at Harvard, are given later in this post. First I'll present a substantial update of the California textbook issue to put the ugliness of that campaign in context. (Readers who want to skip the update can move immediately to Part II, far down in this post.) In a nutshell, Hindutva forces in India and the US are furious due to recent setbacks in their plans to alter US textbooks to reflect their religious-political ideology, and they are retaliating against Michael as the most visible and most effective impediment to their plans. Members are encouraged to repost this message on other Lists or to republish it (but check with me before editing it) in the US or India. It is critical that as many academics and S. Asians as possible who oppose the Hindutva agenda take a public stand on what the rightwing is trying to do to Michael Witzel. The Hindutva groups behind this attack are well-funded and highly organized, and we need a lot of help to counteract the defamatory remarks currently being spread in print and via the Web about him around the world. For those of you who have recently joined this List, and only know of Michael Witzel through this smear campaign, at the end (in Part III of this post) I've attached a short sketch of Michael's writings in Indology, Vedic studies, historical linguistics, and related fields. Many of his writings can be accessed through the links I provide in that section. Just above that, at the start of Part III, I've also given a few links for those who wish to familiarize themselves with the Hindutva groups involved in the California textbook affair, which has led directly to the smear campaign being aimed at Michael Witzel. It isn't a pretty story, but in its twisted way it does have some odd intellectual interest. On that sometime, at length, and in another place. *************** Part I: The California Textbook Issue Let me start with some good news. This week, Harvard University's lawyers reviewed all the materials that Michael has submitted, along with endorsements from a long list of international researchers, to the California Board of Education. After their review, Harvard has reassured Michael that they stand behind him and support his academic freedom of speech. This is critical, since the rightwing has undertaken a massive petition and letter-writing campaign aimed at Harvard under the assumption that pressure of this sort could affect events in California by undermining Michael at Harvard. (Not very likely, since Michael holds one of the most prestigious Chairs anywhere in Sanskrit studies.) Much of the campaign against Michael is transparerently defamatory, in the narrow legal sense. Preliminary discussions with attorneys suggest that it should be possible to win large punitive damages from the individuals and groups behind this campaign simply on the grounds of what has already been published in print or on the Web. More on that as events unfold: we currently have volunteers downloading and/or scanning every defamatory statement against Michael we can find, as well as the veiled threats of violence that have been discussed in previous posts. We are making sure that every bit of evidence is carefully filed away before that evidence disappears (as it has before) down the Hindutva equivalent of Orwell's 'memory hole'. For the moment let us just point out that the materials we already have on file are quite massive and very incriminating. *************** The smear campaign aimed against Michael is meant in retaliation for the critical role he has played since early November -- in collaboration now with hundreds of Indian and Western researchers and S. Asian minority groups -- in helping block massive changes in California 6th-grade textbooks demanded by Hindutva political-religious groups. Some of these groups, as noted below, have long-time connections with rightwing groups in India, whose attempts to project Hindutva political-religious ideology into Indian textbooks have been turned back since 2004 (after the rightwing BJP party lost national power) by India's National Council of Educational Research & Training (NCERT). (NCERT is the closest thing in India to a national 'Board of Education'.) The upshot is that the current US Hindutva moves in California, begun not long after the BJP fell from power, can be tied (along with related moves in Great Britain, involving the BBC) to a much broader international plan to rebuild the declining Hindutva movement in India. Before November 9th, the Hindutva groups involved in the US had managed to convince the California State Board of of Education and the Department of Education staff -- few if any of whom had even heard before of Hindutva (and they say that ignorance is bliss) -- that they spoke for what they represented as a homogenous American-Hindu community. In the early months, the Board did not hear from Dalit groups, mainstream Hindu organizations, Tamil Hindus, or any of the many non-religious Hindu groups that have obvious reasons for opposing the Hindutva agenda. The fictional notion presented to the California Board of Education that the highly fragmented Hindu-American community is homogenous has certainly come as a surprise to the Tamil, Dalit, and other Indian minority groups in the United States with whom we have contacts. No matter how the final act of the California drama plays out (in January), by now the California Board of Education is acutely aware that the three main groups involved in the California affair -- the Vedic Foundation (VF), the Hindu Education Foundation (HEF), and the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) (on these groups, see Part III) -- do not, by the wildest stretch of the imagination, speak for all Hindu-Americans. While the research community, mainstream Hindus, and Indian minorities were initially caught sleeping by events in California -- none of us knew about events there until November 5th, four days before what was to be the final Board of Education meeting on this textbook issue -- in the last seven weeks hundreds of non-Hindutva Indian-Americans, a solid base of Hindu-American University Professors (one recent letter from such a group has over 130 signatures), and an ever expanding list of S. Asian minority groups, including those representing Dalit and tribal groups, have informed the State of California in very clear terms that the three organizations noted above do _not_ represent their interests or opinions. The role that Michael helped play in awakening non-Hindutva Indian-Americans to events in Sacramento helps explain the vehemence of the attack currently aimed almost exclusively at his person. The rightwing's strategy consists in attempting to divert attention from resistance to the Hindutva agenda within the Hindu-American community by representing the setbacks to their California plans as being due to the efforts of one fictional "Aryan Supremicist" Harvard Professor with Nazi roots, etc. -- rather than to the efforts of many non-sectarian S. Asians and Westerners who have long opposed the Hindutva program. *************** What has happened in California has become increasingly complex, and can't be summarized in one holiday post, no matter how long; but it is possible to quickly review a few key lines of development. Once the affair is over, Michael and I have plans to reflect upon all these events in a conspicuous place in print. In summary: The first and still most critical battle in California took place on November 8-9th, when a letter endorsed by Michael and approximately four dozen other researchers from India, Pakistan, the United States, Europe, Australia, Taiwan, and Japan (many of them on this List) first alerted the California State Board of Education to the religious-political motivations behind Hindutva attempts to alter history textbooks. The letter was sent out within 48 hours of the time that we first learned of the involvement of Hindutva groups in the textbook affair. The letter informed the Board about the successful recent NCERT battle over Hindutva alterations of Indian textbooks, which were made when the BJP was in power. It also provided the California Board of Education with links to U.S. State Department papers issued in 2003 and 2004 explicitly warning against the influence of Hindutva groups in education. The importance of the letter and what was going on in California was underlined at the Board of Education meeting in Sacramento on November 9th by James Heitzman, of the University of California at Davis. Heitzman came to the Board meeting armed with an analysis of the full list of proposed edits by the Hindutva groups. Far from just being the 'Witzel letter' (Dr. Heitzman didn't even know about the letter until after it was submitted) -- as the Hindutva organizations like to characterize it -- this original letter from the scholarly community to the Board of Education (there have been others since) was endorsed by a long list of mainstream archaeologists, linguists, and historians, including specialists on ancient India from every part of the world. A few of the international signers whose work is well-known in the field include Patrick Olivelle (who is a native S. Asian), of the University of of Texas; Harry Falk, of Free University, Berlin; Madhav Deshpande of the University of Michigan; Muneo Tokunaga of Kyoto University in Japan; Maurizio Tosi, of the University of Bologna in Italy; Richard Meadow of Harvard University and Mark Kenoyer of the University of Wisconsin (Co-Directors of the long-running Harappa Archaeological Research Project); well-known Indian researchers including Romila Thapar, Shereen Ratnagar, D.N. Jha, and others; Hartmut Scharfe and Stanley Wolpert, both emeritus professors of UCLA; Asko Parpola, of Helsinki University; and so on. If you don't know how prominent these people are in ancient Indian studies, look them up. The endorsers are a highly diverse international group that represents many opposing research perspectives: but despite these differences, all are uniformly opposed to Hindutva fabrications of history, with which they are all familiar. As a group they don't have even a faint resemblance to the imaginary group of "Harvard leftists" fantasized in the Hindutva slander campaign directed at Michael Witzel (see Part II, below). As a result of this first letter, the _massive_ rewrites of the chapters on india submitted to the Board of Education by the Vedic Foundation for the submitted textbooks were rejected _in toto_ by the Board -- and have remained off the table ever since. That was our first victory, and it's a lasting one. If it hadn't been for the November 8th letter sent out by international scholars, things could have turned out very badly at the November 9th meeting. If the Vedic Foundation rewrites had actually made it into the textbooks, the absurdity of their positions would have eventually forced those textbooks to be withdrawn -- as was recently the case in India -- at an estimated cost in the case of California of several hundred million dollars. (Those figures are not given lightly, and are drawn directly from publishing industry estimates.) ***************** The textbook-issue waters became murkier at a meeting in Sacramento on December 1-2 -- held _not_ by the State Board of Education, as misreported in the India press, but by a subsidiary (and totally advisory) body known as the Curriculum Commission (CC). Events at the December 1-2 CC meeting were far more chaotic than at the November 9th State Board of Education meeting, due largely to the fact that the audience was packed to the walls with Hindutva supporters. That fact that no S. Asian opponents of Hindutva were at the meetings involved some miscalculation on our part: no one expected much to happen at the CC meeting, since the Board of Education had explicitly directed the CC (with legal force) on November 9th to judge all proposed edits _solely_ on the basis of historical accuracy, and not on religious grounds. To this end, the Department of Education staff had drawn up a report based on a full review of previously proposed edits (from the VF and HEF) made by Stanley Wolpert, James Heitzman, and Michael Witzel, who were officially appointed as a Content Review Panel (CRP) specifically to fulfill this task. The original expectation was that the CC meeting would end quickly with acceptance of the Department of Education staff report. Against those expectations, the meeting was chaotic -- we'll publish some funny eye witness accounts at some point -- with the result that after much wrangling with the Department of Education staff several conservative members of the CC took control of the meeting and largely ignored the Department of Education staff report. The result, after hours of arguing and confusion, was that a number of blatantly religious edits were left in the history books and several new edits (breaking all historical precedents and the explicit directive of the Board of Education) were stuck into them 'on the fly'. The result, as everyone on all sides recognized at the end, was an inconsistent mess that has left everyone involved in a quandary about what to do next. As one publishing insider puts it: "California is a mess." For now, let it be noted that it is clear to everyone (1) that the advisory CC, whose role in the vetting process is finished, violated the Board of Education's legal directive from November 9th that stated that issues of historical accuracy alone must determine what makes it into the ancient India edits; and (2) that the publishers, the Department of Education, and everyone else involved knows that the current gross mess of inconsistent edits has to be cleaned up before anything goes to press. But all that said, one key point by now is crystal clear. Recently Hindutva forces have begun to claim publicly (as in the _Pioneer_ article; see below), apparently to rally their sagging troops, that what happened on December 1-2 in the CC meeting was some kind of victory for their side. This is a radical about-face from their reactions at the end of the CC meeting on December 2, when (as on November 9th) they again went away furious that the massive Vedic Foundation rewrites of the publishers' texts -- which are as comical as they are absurd (e.g., placing the Buddha and Asoka in the early 2nd millennium BCE) -- didn't make it into California textbooks. Those rewrites weren't accepted by the California Board of Education on November 9th; those rewrites weren't supported by even the most conservative of the CC members on December 2; and now that academic and anti-Hindutva forces have been awakened by what almost happened in California, no rewrites of like this will make it into US textbooks the next time this little drama plays out in some new state with adoption processes. (The next really big battle will not be until Texas, and that won't occur until the end of the decade.) More on all this when the final act plays out in California, sometime next month. (Steve Farmer) ***************************** ----------------------------------- Prof Dr Walter Slaje Hermann-Loens-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar (Germany) Tel/Fax: +49-(0)3643 501391 www.indologie.uni-halle.de Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor me studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET Tue Dec 27 19:02:15 2005 From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 19:02:15 +0000 Subject: Domestication of elephant In-Reply-To: <22EF6643-17AA-4A5E-8828-B915EA57F940@osu.edu> Message-ID: <161227077265.23782.289196627228132406.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thank you to everyone who has responded. The seal evidence does look convincing. Does anyone know whether elephant bones occur in early human settlements in India? Valerie J Roebuck At 12:03 pm -0500 27/12/05, John C. Huntington wrote: >...The elephant was already a complex part of Harappan iconography >by the time of the main seal tradition, It occurs both alone and as >part of a composite bovid > >http://tinyurl.com/cq3pr > >(left side of the third line down, double click image) > >strongly suggesting a very detailed knowledge of the elephant. >Further at least one of the seals I have photographs of has a cloth >across its back. > >http://tinyurl.com/aw3gx > >(sorry about the small image! This was a very early posting mid 90's >and we need to update it) ..... >it May be of interest to know that elephants were domesticated in >early China as well and that their bones appear in Shang tombs >(these were native elephants which have long since died out or been >killed off) From s-sarbacker at NORTHWESTERN.EDU Wed Dec 28 17:59:38 2005 From: s-sarbacker at NORTHWESTERN.EDU (Stuart Ray Sarbacker) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 05 11:59:38 -0600 Subject: WORD 2004 custom dictionary Message-ID: <161227077269.23782.13516059058043896687.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Colleagues, I apologize for the cross-posting if you have seen this query already. I am wondering if anyone has discerned how to add words in Unicode font (especially Times Extended Roman) to a/the custom dictionary on Microsoft Word 2004 (OS X). I know this has been an issue for others given conversations I have had recently. WORD 2004 does not seem to allow adding such words, stating that either the dictionary is full (it is not) or that the word contains "non-roman" characters. If anyone has figured out how to get around this, I would be very grateful to hear, as I'm sure others would. Best Wishes, -- Dr. Stuart Sarbacker Lecturer in Religion Director of Undergraduate Studies Department of Religion Northwestern University http://www.religion.northwestern.edu/faculty/sarbacker.html From jlfitzgerald at COMCAST.NET Thu Dec 29 14:05:37 2005 From: jlfitzgerald at COMCAST.NET (James L. Fitzgerald) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 05 09:05:37 -0500 Subject: WORD 2004 custom dictionary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077271.23782.9003490896301636129.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Greetings, The same problem plagued me with Word 2000 and 2003. After many failed attempts to get any help on this from Microsoft, I finally came up with this solution (for the Windows platform): Open and edit the "text" file custom.dic with a "text editor," convert the file's font to Unicode and save it. I used Windows' built-in text editor Notepad for this, which, I was surprised to learn, had acquired Unicode capability at some point. Make sure that either Office is not running when you do this edit, or that you have temporarily "removed" the custom.dic file from the "dictionary list." Once this font-change was made to custom.dic, the dictionary began to work fine with all unicode character words as well as the non-unicode ones. I hope this works on the Apple platform as well. Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year, Jim Fitzgerald University of Tennessee Stuart Ray Sarbacker wrote: > Colleagues, > > I apologize for the cross-posting if you have seen this query already. > > I am wondering if anyone has discerned how to add words in Unicode > font (especially Times Extended Roman) to a/the custom dictionary on > Microsoft Word 2004 (OS X). I know this has been an issue for others > given conversations I have had recently. WORD 2004 does not seem to > allow adding such words, stating that either the dictionary is full > (it is not) or that the word contains "non-roman" characters. > > If anyone has figured out how to get around this, I would be very > grateful to hear, as I'm sure others would. > > Best Wishes, From s-sarbacker at NORTHWESTERN.EDU Thu Dec 29 19:49:38 2005 From: s-sarbacker at NORTHWESTERN.EDU (Stuart Ray Sarbacker) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 05 13:49:38 -0600 Subject: Unicode (WORD 2004, etc.) issues Message-ID: <161227077273.23782.7573597398520622648.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear All, Elizabeth Callahan suggested that opening the custom dictionary in Wordpad and saving it as a unicode text document solved the problems with adding Unicode in windows versions of WORD. I tried the same solution on the Mac by opening the custom dictionary with TextEdit, and saving it as a Unicode UTF-16 document (UTF-8 did not work) and it appears to have largely solved the problem (I can add romanized Sanskrit terms with diacritics to the custom dictionary saving inestimable time). Many thanks to Elizabeth for this. Now I feel much better about those two wasted hours on hold with Microsoft listening to what was possibly the worst "muzak" I have ever been forced to listen to! As for general Unicode support on Mac, as far as I am aware, most people are using either the U of Washington Gandhari Unicode font or the Times Extended Roman font, and the Easyunicode Keyboard (which makes typing with Unicode fonts a breeze, esp. in WORD). Links to these fonts and keyboards can be found at: http://www.thdl.org/tools/diafonts.html http://depts.washington.edu/ebmp/software.php Best Wishes, Stuart -- Dr. Stuart Sarbacker Lecturer in Religion Director of Undergraduate Studies Department of Religion Northwestern University http://www.religion.northwestern.edu/faculty/sarbacker.html From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU Fri Dec 30 00:01:11 2005 From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 05 16:01:11 -0800 Subject: Unicode (WORD 2004, etc.) issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077275.23782.9878877069753396607.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I don't think either of these fonts -- or any unicode fonts I have seen -- has the alveolar letters one needs for Tamil and Malayalam (and old Telugu and old Kannada) -- an r with a short line beneath, an n with a short line beneath, and an l with a short line beneath. Also an l with a dot beneath. Tiger has Tamil unicode built-in, along with Devanagari, and both appear to work interchangeably with Windows. Unfortunately, in Word for the Mac the Tamil does not work -- it works in Cocoa applications like Nisus, TextEdit, Mail. It would be very nice if we could get a standard Indic Roman font that has ALL the diacritics we need, including Arabic and Persian, Sanskrit, Dravidian, and anything else that is generally used (though I'd draw the line at Emeneau's score or more of diacritics for Toda, which must have driven the typesetters at Oxford mad -- not every language has unvoiced plosive retroflex fricatives, or whatever, fortunately). It would also be nice to have a good keyboard driver for the Mac and Windows -- I have one I implemented for TimesIndian in which the backslash (/) is a dead key and allows one to easily enter long a (backslash a), etc. etc. Of course, TimesIndian is not unicode. George Hart On Dec 29, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Stuart Ray Sarbacker wrote: > Dear All, > > Elizabeth Callahan suggested that opening the custom dictionary in > Wordpad and saving it as a unicode text document solved the > problems with adding Unicode in windows versions of WORD. I tried > the same solution on the Mac by opening the custom dictionary with > TextEdit, and saving it as a Unicode UTF-16 document (UTF-8 did not > work) and it appears to have largely solved the problem (I can add > romanized Sanskrit terms with diacritics to the custom dictionary > saving inestimable time). > > Many thanks to Elizabeth for this. > > Now I feel much better about those two wasted hours on hold with > Microsoft listening to what was possibly the worst "muzak" I have > ever been forced to listen to! > > As for general Unicode support on Mac, as far as I am aware, most > people are using either the U of Washington Gandhari Unicode font > or the Times Extended Roman font, and the Easyunicode Keyboard > (which makes typing with Unicode fonts a breeze, esp. in WORD). > Links to these fonts and keyboards can be found at: > > http://www.thdl.org/tools/diafonts.html > http://depts.washington.edu/ebmp/software.php > > Best Wishes, > Stuart > > -- > Dr. Stuart Sarbacker > Lecturer in Religion > Director of Undergraduate Studies > Department of Religion > Northwestern University > http://www.religion.northwestern.edu/faculty/sarbacker.html From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA Fri Dec 30 02:07:36 2005 From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 05 18:07:36 -0800 Subject: Sanskrit recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077279.23782.8507752586959780325.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> In no particular order and without confining myself to digital recordings (for what I noted as available on cassettes may now be available on CDs): My 1995 impression is that the following producer/seller was the best source for Sanskrit stotra recordings: Sangeetha, 97-C, III Street, Kumaran Colony, Vadapalani, Chennai 600 026. Probable Tels (91-44)-2483-8802/2483-882. Hindu Seva Pratishthanam, Samskrita Vibhag, "Aksharam,? 7/32 Ranga Rao Rd., Bangalore 560 004 has produced several cassettes of Skt dialogues. I would now expect them to be available on CDs. Some videos may also be available. Recordings of modern Sanskrit literature read by its authors: 27 Nov 2002. From: Allen W Thrasher . "... Library of Congress ... The Sanskrit authors recorded are Rewa Prasad Dwivedi, Ram Karan Sharma, and Rama Kant Shukla. ...The South Asian Literary Recordings Project [Real Audio] http://www.loc.gov/acq/ovop/delhi/salrp/, Readings in 22 different languages, including Nepali, and English, a brief profile of each author is included.? Skt stotras etc. sung by Swami Brahm?nanda, Swami Tejomay?nanda and others. Ask for catalogue of Central Chinmaya Mission Trust (Audio Division), Deenabandhu Devasthanam, CMH Road, Indiranagar, Bangalore 560 038. 22 Jan 2000. From: "Thomas C, Burke" . "There is an old Folkways recording of several selections of the Valmiki Ramayana (Folkways 09920, 1951), as recorded by S.R. Ranganathan, T.M.P. Mahadevan, and Swami Nikhilananda. If I recall correctly, these passages formed one side of an LP record containing Sanskrit material. This recording (I think on cassette) can now be ordered from Smithsonian Folkways recordings: http://www.si.edu/folkways/? G.v. Iyer's Sanskrit movies Acharya Sri Shankara and Bhagavadgita have some excellent recitations on the background of beautiful photography (although the movies as feature films are weak because of (generally correct but) rare and undramatic dialogue). I understand that these are now available on CDs or VCDs. Try National Film Development Corporation, D-6 Srisagar Estate, Worli, Bombay 400 019. A recent movie of Mudraa-raak.sasa produced by Mr. Manish K. Mokshagundam. (. Director, Mokshagundam media [p] ltd. #72, D.V.G. Rd, Basavana-gudi, Bangalore 560 004) is innovative and artistically better than Iyer's. Kathakali: Kottayam Plays in DVD: vedika . I have inquired if these are in Sanskrit or Malayalam. I have so far not received the specification. Check: Sanskrit audio recordings: http://www.ahista.com/vedchant/#contents Sanskrit audio recordings: http://sanskrit.bhaarat.com/Dale/index.html Finally, if I may note, those cassettes of the five cassettes accompanying my _Sanskrit: an Easy Introduction to an Enchanting Language_ on which the connected passages are read. These will give you several dramatically read simple narratives and dialogues and straight/musically unadorned recitations of metrical compositions. On 29-12-2005 16:48, "Matthew Kapstein" wrote: > Can anyone recommend some goods sources for digital > recordings of spoken Sanskrit, Sanskrit poetry and dramatic > recitation, etc.? Examples of the chants used for > reciting various meters would be of particular interest. > A recorded anthology of Sanskrit poetry, I suppose, is too > much to hope for just yet. From mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Dec 30 00:48:29 2005 From: mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 05 18:48:29 -0600 Subject: Sanskrit recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077277.23782.5470582161909395657.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Can anyone recommend some goods sources for digital recordings of spoken Sanskrit, Sanskrit poetry and dramatic recitation, etc.? Examples of the chants used for reciting various meters would be of particular interest. A recorded anthology of Sanskrit poetry, I suppose, is too much to hope for just yet. Matthew Kapstein From glhart at BERKELEY.EDU Fri Dec 30 17:44:00 2005 From: glhart at BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 05 09:44:00 -0800 Subject: Witzel's interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077283.23782.13038504794337816354.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> http://ia.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/30inter1.htm?q=tp&file=.htm http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/29inter1.htm Members of this group may be interested in these two URL's, which someone was good enough to send me. George Hart From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Fri Dec 30 14:13:25 2005 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 05 14:13:25 +0000 Subject: Sanskrit recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077281.23782.13869072047654981126.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many years ago, I had a series of Sanskrit classes on Patanjali's Mahabhasya, with Pt. Vaman Balkrishna Bhagavat of Pune. I recorded a lot of this material, and in the early 1980s I deposited copies of my cassettes at the Oxford Language Centre. http://www.lang.ox.ac.uk/ Best, Dominik From gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Dec 31 01:38:52 2005 From: gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET (George Thompson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 05 20:38:52 -0500 Subject: Witzel's interview In-Reply-To: <8D0BF3C7-961B-4DA9-851F-E0777B2359FA@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <161227077285.23782.7581446438563814702.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hello George, Thanks for posting these references. As a former citizen of the state of California for some 17 years, and as a former student of yours, and as a Vedicist trained by you and your good [now retired] colleagues there at Berkeley [Frits and Bart in particular], I wonder whether you could tell us in more detail how the culture wars re Indian history in California schools are going these days. I have been involved with teacher-training programs here in New England re the teaching of Indian history & culture, and I would like to know more about your experience in California. Of course, I am utterly shocked by the unwarranted violence of these attacks against Michael Witzel, who is as good a person, utterly, as I have ever known. I hope that you can share with us your experiences there in that great state of California, now run by a used-up steroid-driven Austrian actor now playing the role of governator of the Hollywood state of California, so-called. Best wishes to you, George Thompson, still a Vedicist George Hart wrote: > http://ia.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/30inter1.htm?q=tp&file=.htm > > http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/29inter1.htm > > Members of this group may be interested in these two URL's, which > someone was good enough to send me. George Hart > > From zysk at HUM.KU.DK Sat Dec 31 08:23:27 2005 From: zysk at HUM.KU.DK (Kenneth Zysk) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 05 09:23:27 +0100 Subject: Witzel's interview Message-ID: <161227077288.23782.11232021713725154728.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Here is my two-cents worth. The following received editorial change is simply wrong: Replace with the following: ?Ayurveda incorporates significant input from the tradition of yoga. Though principally a pathway to spiritual liberation, yoga as a discipline of breathing and bodily functions finds a place of honor in most medical and healing traditions of India.? A form of Yoga incorporated certain Ayurvedic practices and principles only from about the 16th century CE, as seen in the obscure text, Ayurveda Sutra. Ayurveda began to incorporate certain practical techniques mentioned, among others, in Yoga texts only in the modern era, largely through the influence of Maharshi Mahesh Yoga's TM movement. Best, Ken Zysk ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Hart" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Witzel's interview > http://ia.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/30inter1.htm?q=tp&file=.htm > > http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/29inter1.htm > > Members of this group may be interested in these two URL's, which someone > was good enough to send me. George Hart > From yavass at MAIL.RU Thu Dec 1 09:28:52 2005 From: yavass at MAIL.RU (=?utf-8?B?0K/RgNC+0YHQu9Cw0LIg0JLQsNGB0LjQu9GM0LrQvtCy?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 05 12:28:52 +0300 Subject: thanks Message-ID: <161227077167.23782.12980316992400922350.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many thanks to all who wanted to help, especially to my unknown benefactor who subscribed me eventually to the Indology list. I am here again at last, with a new "clean" mail-box (yavass at mail.ru). By the way, my office postal address has changed too: Peter the Great Museum of Anthropology and Ethnography (Kunstkamera), 3, University Emb., St.Petersburg, 199034, Russia With my best wishes to all of you Yaroslav Vassilkov ___________________________________________________________ Mail.ru ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????????:) ___________________________________________________________ ??????????? - ??????????? ??????? ?? ??? ????????! ?????? ??? ????? ???????? ???????. http://r.mail.ru/cln2625/www.Puteshestvie.ru From yavass at MAIL.RU Tue Dec 27 12:12:36 2005 From: yavass at MAIL.RU (=?utf-8?B?0K/RgNC+0YHQu9Cw0LIg0JLQsNGB0LjQu9GM0LrQvtCy?=) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 05 15:12:36 +0300 Subject: Domestication of elephant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227077251.23782.568845576728629334.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Valerie, as far as I know the earliest artistic *representation* of the domesticated elephant (a chakravartin's elephant)is on the Indian "rattle-mirror" from a royal burial of Scythian Pazyryk archeological culture in the Altai mountains. The mirror is of pre-Mauryan date, approximately Vth or IVth century BC. Harappan representations of elephants with a "feeding trough" in front of the animal's trunk can not be seen as an evidence for domestication because the trough is usually represented in the same way in front of tigers, rhynoceroses and other wild animals. Yaroslav Vassilkov -----Original Message----- From: Valerie J Roebuck To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:46:21 +0000 Subject: Domestication of elephant > > A friend has asked me the following question: when was the elephant > first domesticated in India? I was sure that someone on this list > must know something... > > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK >