From csaba_dezso at YAHOO.CO.UK  Fri Apr  1 13:44:34 2005
From: csaba_dezso at YAHOO.CO.UK (Csaba Dezso)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 05 15:44:34 +0200
Subject: Udaattaraaghava
Message-ID: <161227076158.23782.11191479538705240537.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,
Prof. Raghavan in his Bhoja's "Sr"ngaaraprakaa"sa mentioned (p. 867) 
that he was going to publish an edition of Maayuraaja's Udaattaraaghava 
in the GOS. Does anyone happen to know if this edition has ever been 
published, and if not, what happened to Raghavan's edition?
Thank you for your kind help.

------------------------------------
Csaba Dezs?
Assistant Lecturer in Sanskrit
Department of Indo-European Studies
ELTE University, Budapest, Hungary




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Tue Apr  5 17:12:21 2005
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 05 10:12:21 -0700
Subject: Udaattaraaghava
In-Reply-To: <67e06951769b4da5716619a3657f2030@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <161227076163.23782.6421365873922502246.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I was told several years ago in Madras/Chennati that the late Prof. V.
Raghavan' papers went to Kuppuswami Sastri Research Institute, 84 Thiru vi.
ka. Road, Mylapore, Chennai 600 004). Perhaps the director of KSRI will be
able to provide further information on the planned Udattaraghave edn.

ashok aklujkar


On 01-04-2005 05:44, "Csaba Dezso" <csaba_dezso at YAHOO.CO.UK> wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
> Prof. Raghavan in his Bhoja's "Sr"ngaaraprakaa"sa mentioned (p. 867)
> that he was going to publish an edition of Maayuraaja's Udaattaraaghava
> in the GOS. Does anyone happen to know if this edition has ever been
> published, and if not, what happened to Raghavan's edition?
> Thank you for your kind help.
> 
> ------------------------------------
> Csaba Dezs?
> Assistant Lecturer in Sanskrit
> Department of Indo-European Studies
> ELTE University, Budapest, Hungary




From athr at LOC.GOV  Tue Apr  5 18:02:46 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 05 14:02:46 -0400
Subject: Correction re:  Thrasher alternate email address
Message-ID: <161227076161.23782.13639349923773347775.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I'm sorry, my new private email address is <alanus1216 at yahoo.com>, not *aol.com.

Ruefully,

Allen

Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.




From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Tue Apr  5 21:50:07 2005
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 05 06:50:07 +0900
Subject: new Indo-Eurasian list opens
Message-ID: <161227076166.23782.12342748341320760518.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List,

On behalf of the three of us (M. Witzel, G. Thompson, and S. Farmer),
below you'll find the formal announcement for the new
Indo-Eurasian_Research List.

All researchers who sign up on the List will be unmoderated; please
note that it is the intent of this Research List to focus on large and
often controversial issues; the List is open to all, which we think is
essential to the healthy growth of the field; but posts from
non-professional sources or those we view as reflecting prescientific
or nationalistic ideologies will be moderated in the unique (and we
think eminently fair) way reviewed at the end of the announcement.

We will be announcing the formation of the List in a number of online
forums in the next week, including the present  one, _Electronic
Journal of
Vedic Studies_. We would like the help of current List members in
posting
the announcement online wherever appropriate and, of course, in
initiating
and helping to guide List discussions.
This is a public List both by and for progressive professional
researchers.

To sign up, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research

For an overview of the List aims and moderation procedures, see below
or go to:

http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian.html

Cheers -- MW

Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University
1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138
1-617-495 3295           Fax: 496 8571
direct line:       496 2990
http://witzel at fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm




From romila at SPACPL.COM  Wed Apr  6 17:49:57 2005
From: romila at SPACPL.COM (romila@spacpl.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 05 13:49:57 -0400
Subject: new Indo-Eurasian list opens
Message-ID: <161227076169.23782.13707471597509206618.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Michael,
I would like to join the new list, but am having a problem with signing in.
I do not have a yahoo address. Is that necessary ? Or can I be signed in
anyway.
Romila

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Witzel witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:50:07 +0900
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: new Indo-Eurasian list opens


Dear List,

On behalf of the three of us (M. Witzel, G. Thompson, and S. Farmer),
below you'll find the formal announcement for the new
Indo-Eurasian_Research List.

All researchers who sign up on the List will be unmoderated; please
note that it is the intent of this Research List to focus on large and
often controversial issues; the List is open to all, which we think is
essential to the healthy growth of the field; but posts from
non-professional sources or those we view as reflecting prescientific
or nationalistic ideologies will be moderated in the unique (and we
think eminently fair) way reviewed at the end of the announcement.

We will be announcing the formation of the List in a number of online
forums in the next week, including the present  one, _Electronic
Journal of
Vedic Studies_. We would like the help of current List members in
posting
the announcement online wherever appropriate and, of course, in
initiating
and helping to guide List discussions.
This is a public List both by and for progressive professional
researchers.

To sign up, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research

For an overview of the List aims and moderation procedures, see below
or go to:

http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian.html

Cheers -- MW

Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University
1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138
1-617-495 3295           Fax: 496 8571
direct line:       496 2990
http://witzel at fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm

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From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Apr  6 20:01:40 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 05 16:01:40 -0400
Subject: new spams coming in?
Message-ID: <161227076172.23782.9612445637342027077.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have just spent about 20 minutes moving to the junk mail box dozens of messages with subject headings "Zeta trade" and "need employee," each, it seems, from a different domain I had never heard of before.  Are other people getting these?

Allen



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.




From gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET  Wed Apr  6 20:05:49 2005
From: gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET (George Thompson)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 05 16:05:49 -0400
Subject: new Indo-Eurasian list opens
In-Reply-To: <250570-22005436174957859@M2W084.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <161227076175.23782.12260984196424809911.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hello Romila,

Michael is away from his computer these days.  We will send you an
invitation, so that you can join the List simply by using the reply button.
We are still very busy.  So far we have 160+ members.  It will be such a
pleasure to havee you on the list too!

Best wishes,

George

-----Original Message-----
From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
romila at spacpl.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:50 PM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: new Indo-Eurasian list opens


Dear Michael,
I would like to join the new list, but am having a problem with signing in.
I do not have a yahoo address. Is that necessary ? Or can I be signed in
anyway.
Romila

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Witzel witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:50:07 +0900
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: new Indo-Eurasian list opens


Dear List,

On behalf of the three of us (M. Witzel, G. Thompson, and S. Farmer),
below you'll find the formal announcement for the new
Indo-Eurasian_Research List.

All researchers who sign up on the List will be unmoderated; please
note that it is the intent of this Research List to focus on large and
often controversial issues; the List is open to all, which we think is
essential to the healthy growth of the field; but posts from
non-professional sources or those we view as reflecting prescientific
or nationalistic ideologies will be moderated in the unique (and we
think eminently fair) way reviewed at the end of the announcement.

We will be announcing the formation of the List in a number of online
forums in the next week, including the present  one, _Electronic
Journal of
Vedic Studies_. We would like the help of current List members in
posting
the announcement online wherever appropriate and, of course, in
initiating
and helping to guide List discussions.
This is a public List both by and for progressive professional
researchers.

To sign up, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research

For an overview of the List aims and moderation procedures, see below
or go to:

http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian.html

Cheers -- MW

Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University
1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138
1-617-495 3295           Fax: 496 8571
direct line:       496 2990
http://witzel at fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm

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From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Thu Apr  7 06:53:57 2005
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 05 07:53:57 +0100
Subject: new spams coming in?
In-Reply-To: <s25408f3.074@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227076178.23782.16201474444710377956.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Yes.  At present I am getting far more spam than proper emails.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

At 4:01 pm -0400 6/4/05, Allen W Thrasher wrote:
>I have just spent about 20 minutes moving to the junk mail box
>dozens of messages with subject headings "Zeta trade" and "need
>employee," each, it seems, from a different domain I had never heard
>of before.  Are other people getting these?




From vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE  Thu Apr  7 11:34:08 2005
From: vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 05 13:34:08 +0200
Subject: tato bhaagavata.m prokta.m bhaaga-dvaya-vibhuu.sita.m
In-Reply-To: <8A89264B-8D4E-11D9-ADD9-000A95EF9784@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <161227076181.23782.8840876121627475773.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Is somebody aware of any discussion on a BhaagavataP "in"  two parts (or
having a supplementary portion, viz. an "uttara-bhaaga") as it is
rdescribed in  one half-verse of the SauraP (9.7cd)  quoted by Hemaadri
(about 1270):
tato bhaagavata.m prokta.m bhaaga-dvaya-vibhuu.sita.m
which half-verse is very  close to
tathaa bhaagavata.m naama bhaaga-dvaya-vibhuu.sitam
as found in the Revaa-maahaatmya (quoted in Hazra 1963: 623 fn 54 from a
manuscript) ascribed to the VaayuP (which text has been printed at the
Venkatesvara  Press according to its secondary version/recension ascribed
to the SkandaP, cf.  Revaa-kha.n.da 1.44 - the latter published
Revaakha.n.da having to be distinguished from the earlier Revaakha.n.da
being the name of the secondary recension of the original SkP in course of
publication, and even from another lost Revaakha.n.da ascribed to the
Skanda known to Ballaalasena and quoted by Hemaadri)

Incidentally, the same passage of the SauraP quoted by Hemaadri (CVC I, p.
531-32)  refers to a BrahmaaP sa.mhitaabhyaa.m vibhuu.sita.m, and a SkandaP
sa.myuktam a.s.tabhi.h kha.n.dai.h. (on the basis of this testimony of the
SauraP, contra Bakker & alii 1998: 8, I thus think that the practice of
calling newly composed texts 'kha.n.da of the Skandapuraa.na' may have
started a bit earlier than the 12th century)

Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste
Place Blaise Pascal 1
B - 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
BELGIUM
Tel. +32-(0)10-47 49 54 (office)/ -(0)2-640 62 66 (home)
E-mail: vielle at ori.ucl.ac.be




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Fri Apr  8 17:17:22 2005
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 05 10:17:22 -0700
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
Message-ID: <161227076184.23782.8087390766895742304.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

I am wondering if anyone knows of a study of the vocabulary for
'body' employed in discussions of the existence of the soul, and the
body-soul (or mind-body) problem, or can offer any insight.

My extremely superficial impression is that zariira is a common word
in such contexts, but do other terms (kaaya, deha, ???) also appear?
(I likewise presume that the most common words for the other member
of the pair include aatman, jiiva, prakrti, though I am less
interested in this side of the question.)

With many thanks, JAS
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From rlamb at HAWAII.RR.COM  Fri Apr  8 23:02:09 2005
From: rlamb at HAWAII.RR.COM (rlamb)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 05 13:02:09 -1000
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <p06002007be7c6c5a3936@[169.232.229.117]>
Message-ID: <161227076190.23782.16813271660591513395.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Jonathan Silk wrote:

> . . . zariira is a common word in such contexts, but do other terms
> (kaaya, deha, ???) also appear?

You can probably add "tana" to the list as well.

Ramdas Lamb




From athr at LOC.GOV  Fri Apr  8 19:30:20 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 05 15:30:20 -0400
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
Message-ID: <161227076187.23782.520357865764376796.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Jonathan,

I'm not aware of any, but I would expect that the frequent writing of darZana in verse would create a strong tendency to use all the words as complete synonymns, metris causa.

Allen



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU 04/08/05 1:17 pm >>>
Dear Colleagues,

I am wondering if anyone knows of a study of the vocabulary for
'body' employed in discussions of the existence of the soul, and the
body-soul (or mind-body) problem, or can offer any insight.

My extremely superficial impression is that zariira is a common word
in such contexts, but do other terms (kaaya, deha, ???) also appear?
(I likewise presume that the most common words for the other member
of the pair include aatman, jiiva, prakrti, though I am less
interested in this side of the question.)

With many thanks, JAS
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Sat Apr  9 06:47:55 2005
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 05 07:47:55 +0100
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <s256a48c.039@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227076193.23782.7346327555553234777.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

What about ruupa, in the pairing naama-ruupa?

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

PS I don't think my email is reaching Allen's private address, either.

At 3:30 pm -0400 8/4/05, Allen W Thrasher wrote:
>Jonathan,
>
>I'm not aware of any, but I would expect that the frequent writing
>of darZana in verse would create a strong tendency to use all the
>words as complete synonymns, metris causa.

...

>  >>> silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU 04/08/05 1:17 pm >>>
>Dear Colleagues,
>
>I am wondering if anyone knows of a study of the vocabulary for
>'body' employed in discussions of the existence of the soul, and the
>body-soul (or mind-body) problem, or can offer any insight.
>
>My extremely superficial impression is that zariira is a common word
>in such contexts, but do other terms (kaaya, deha, ???) also appear?
>(I likewise presume that the most common words for the other member
>of the pair include aatman, jiiva, prakrti, though I am less
>interested in this side of the question.)




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Sun Apr 10 19:29:50 2005
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 05 12:29:50 -0700
Subject: metre of MMK
Message-ID: <161227076196.23782.15468282499208238852.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am wondering if anyone has run a metrical analysis of Nagarjuna's
MMK. I know there were at some point programs around which could
produce automated analyses of metre, but I'm a computer illiterate,
and in any event, I think those programs never ran on Macs anyway.
But any pointers would be most appreciated.


thanks so much, JAS
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From a.griffiths at THEOL.RUG.NL  Sun Apr 10 21:12:01 2005
From: a.griffiths at THEOL.RUG.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 05 23:12:01 +0200
Subject: metre of MMK
In-Reply-To: <p06002010be7f2ea8ab64@[169.232.229.117]>
Message-ID: <161227076198.23782.227000488512841030.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Please consult Tilmann Vetter's article 'On the Authenticity of the 
Ratnaavalii', Asiatische Studien / ?tudes Asiatiques XLVI.1 (1992), 
492--506, esp. p. 500f.

Arlo Griffiths

On Apr 10, 2005, at 21:29, Jonathan Silk wrote:

> I am wondering if anyone has run a metrical analysis of Nagarjuna's
> MMK. I know there were at some point programs around which could
> produce automated analyses of metre, but I'm a computer illiterate,
> and in any event, I think those programs never ran on Macs anyway.
> But any pointers would be most appreciated.
>
>
> thanks so much, JAS
> --
> Jonathan Silk
> Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
> Center for Buddhist Studies
> UCLA
> 290 Royce Hall
> Box 951540
> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
> phone: (310)206-8235
> fax:  (310)825-8808
> silk at humnet.ucla.edu
>




From rlamb at HAWAII.RR.COM  Mon Apr 11 16:43:38 2005
From: rlamb at HAWAII.RR.COM (rlamb)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 06:43:38 -1000
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.62.0504111456550.2452@anat-lws119>
Message-ID: <161227076208.23782.9786508010096183584.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The term "sat-chit-ananda" has been used in reference to the
characteristics of body-mind-spirit.  Does anyone know when/where it is
first found?

Ramdas Lamb

Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a
> fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New Age thought, the
> triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace, and this is often projected
> onto Indian thought.  Once again, I currently think this triad is not a
> particularly fundamental one from the Sanskrit sources themselves.




From phitks at UNITY.NCSU.EDU  Mon Apr 11 15:45:17 2005
From: phitks at UNITY.NCSU.EDU (tony k. stewart)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 11:45:17 -0400
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.62.0504111456550.2452@anat-lws119>
Message-ID: <161227076203.23782.13186044129785800652.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Following Dominick, it is perhaps notable that the Gaudiya Vaisnavas
develop a siddha deha for the further reaches of sadhana and that
siddha deha is what ends up in Goloka.  In that figuration I recall
little or no talk of atman vs deha or sarira.

tony

Tony K. Stewart
Professor of South Asian Religions
Department of Philosophy and Religion
Box 8103
North Carolina State University
Raleigh, NC 27695-8103 USA
ph. 919.515.6335
email <tony_stewart at ncsu.edu>

On Apr 11, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a
> fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New Age thought, the
> triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace, and this is often
> projected
> onto Indian thought.  Once again, I currently think this triad is not a
> particularly fundamental one from the Sanskrit sources themselves.
>
>
> Dominik
>
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Jonathan Silk wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone knows of a study of the vocabulary for
>> 'body' employed in discussions of the existence of the soul, and the
>> body-soul (or mind-body) problem, or can offer any insight.
>>
>> My extremely superficial impression is that zariira is a common word
>> in such contexts, but do other terms (kaaya, deha, ???) also appear?
>> (I likewise presume that the most common words for the other member
>> of the pair include aatman, jiiva, prakrti, though I am less
>> interested in this side of the question.)
>>
>> With many thanks, JAS
>> --
>> Jonathan Silk
>> Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
>> Center for Buddhist Studies
>> UCLA
>> 290 Royce Hall
>> Box 951540
>> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
>> phone: (310)206-8235
>> fax:  (310)825-8808
>> silk at humnet.ucla.edu
>>




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Mon Apr 11 20:46:07 2005
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 13:46:07 -0700
Subject: Ganapati query and call for interns
In-Reply-To: <N1-UBZDMIGS@Safe-mail.net>
Message-ID: <161227076213.23782.12778223512123100470.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

There is an article in BEFEO 10 or more years ago now by Robert
Duquenne which might be of some use. (sorry for the imprecision, but
it should in any case be relatively easy to find).
JAS
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From rubberjoel at SAFE-MAIL.NET  Mon Apr 11 19:57:37 2005
From: rubberjoel at SAFE-MAIL.NET (Joel Bordeaux)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 15:57:37 -0400
Subject: Ganapati query and call for interns
Message-ID: <161227076211.23782.17436062983992834851.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hello.  Can anyone point me to some books or articles discussing Ganesha as depicted/worshiped in Buddhist traditions?  I know Ruegg has done a little work on the subject but wasn't sure what else to suggest to this person.
Thanks,
Joel Bordeaux, Columbia

---------------------------------------------------

Photographer/Multimedia Producer looking for interns
to work on various media projects related to multimedia installation on Ganesh Festival in Bombay

Photographer and multimedia producer, Shana Dressler, is looking for committed interns to work on various projects associated with her multimedia installation on the Ganesh Festival in Bombay currently in development. Interns are invited to help Shana prepare for a slideshow at the United Nations on June 2nd and the preparation for a full scale installation which is in discussion with a New York museum.

Interested interns would be involved in the following:

Slideshow at the UN

- help to locate a student animator currently in art school to work on opening sequence of the slideshow
- putting together a budget for the event
- help to produce the slideshow which may include an opening dance to Ganesh, a invocation sung to Ganesh and coordinating a light meal
- putting together a press list and marketing materials to advertise slideshow to UN employees
- outreach to invite possible sponsors to fund final trip to Bombay in September 2005 to complete multimedia installation for museum
- work on a website so that potential donors will have access to a range of information

Multimedia Installation at NY Museum

Once the proposal has been accepted help will also be needed to work on the multimedia installation currently being considered by a New York museum. Interns wishing to work on this should contact Shana for further information. E: shana at shanadressler.com

Internship start date: ASAP for the UN slideshow; ongoing for Multimedia Installation

Application instructions: Please send a short cover letter explaining why you're interested in interning on this project and include your resume as a PDF (preferred method) or MS Word document to shana at shanadressler.com.

Background info: www.shanadressler.com/ganesh for photos; see bio below

Biography:

Shana Dressler?s career as a multi-media producer has spanned several continents and disciplines. Her recent work includes putting together an exhibition of photographs of the Ganesh Festival as celebrated in Bombay at the National Arts Club in New York; consulting for the Music and Cultural Programming Department at Link TV; working with the Global Peace Initiative of Women on their upcoming Global Youth Leadership Summit; and helping to produce The Spirit of F?s US National Tour of world sacred music.

As a photographer, Shana has worked for magazines both in the United States and abroad. ?If Only It Were Love,? a photography book based on her unrequited love story with an Italian underwater photographer in Italy, is pending publication. The photographs were exhibited at New York University?s Casa Italiana in January of 2003.

As a video journalist Shana covered the "Drumming In The New Millenium" festival shot in Cairo, Egypt for World Entertainment Network and has filmed station spots of world music stars such as Baaba Maal, Habib Koit? and Afro Celt Sound System for Link TV.  In 2000, Shana completed "Can't Wait 'Til Sunday," a documentary short which she directed and produced with National Geographic photographer/cameraman Bob Sacha, about a Harlem preacher?s last night of work as a mechanic for the United States Postal Service. This film was part of a long-term photography project about spiritual experience in a Pentecostal church in Harlem. A portfolio of photographs from this project is part of the permanent collection of the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in New York.

She has also produced ?Around the Globe in 10 Weeks,? a ten part world music lecture and performance series. Speakers included, among others: Robert Browning, World Music Institute; Sean Barlow, Afropop Worldwide; Prof. Gage Averill, Director of the Ethnomusicology Program, NYU; Valerie Naranjo, percussionist of the Saturday Night Live Band, and Bobby Sanabria, Grammy nominated Latin drummer. In 1999, she was hired by Ellipsis Arts, a world music label, to produce the audio CD ?African Lullaby? which won the Parent?s Choice Golden Seal Award that same year.  She is currently working on a compilation of African Water Spirit songs for an upcoming exhibition at UCLA?s Fowler Museum slated for 2007.

Shana is a 1989 graduate of Vassar College with a B.A. in Medieval and Renaissance Studies. She received her photography training at the International Center of Photography in New York where she took courses in photojournalism while studying Comparative Religion and Anthropology at Columbia University. She is fluent in Italian, French and Spanish.




From d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK  Mon Apr 11 15:12:23 2005
From: d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 16:12:23 +0100
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <p06002007be7c6c5a3936@[169.232.229.117]>
Message-ID: <161227076201.23782.9259113626080093020.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a
fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New Age thought, the
triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace, and this is often projected
onto Indian thought.  Once again, I currently think this triad is not a
particularly fundamental one from the Sanskrit sources themselves.


Dominik



On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Jonathan Silk wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I am wondering if anyone knows of a study of the vocabulary for
> 'body' employed in discussions of the existence of the soul, and the
> body-soul (or mind-body) problem, or can offer any insight.
>
> My extremely superficial impression is that zariira is a common word
> in such contexts, but do other terms (kaaya, deha, ???) also appear?
> (I likewise presume that the most common words for the other member
> of the pair include aatman, jiiva, prakrti, though I am less
> interested in this side of the question.)
>
> With many thanks, JAS
> --
> Jonathan Silk
> Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
> Center for Buddhist Studies
> UCLA
> 290 Royce Hall
> Box 951540
> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
> phone: (310)206-8235
> fax:  (310)825-8808
> silk at humnet.ucla.edu
>




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Mon Apr 11 21:41:04 2005
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 16:41:04 -0500
Subject: Ganapati query and call for interns
In-Reply-To: <p06002018be8092372007@[169.232.229.117]>
Message-ID: <161227076237.23782.15984537055618946534.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I think Edmund Leach wrote a book (or was it an article) on this
topic -- but specifically on Ganesha in Sri Lanka. And Gananath
Obeyesekere also has written on this, critiquing Leach on some
points. I don't have the biblio on these right now, but one should be
able to Google them.

Patrick




>There is an article in BEFEO 10 or more years ago now by Robert
>Duquenne which might be of some use. (sorry for the imprecision, but
>it should in any case be relatively easy to find).
>JAS
>--
>Jonathan Silk
>Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
>Center for Buddhist Studies
>UCLA
>290 Royce Hall
>Box 951540
>Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
>phone: (310)206-8235
>fax:  (310)825-8808
>silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Mon Apr 11 21:42:02 2005
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John Huntington)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 17:42:02 -0400
Subject: Ganapati query and call for interns
In-Reply-To: <N1-UBZDMIGS@Safe-mail.net>
Message-ID: <161227076240.23782.16273689251882719296.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Hello.  Can anyone point me to some books or articles discussing
>Ganesha as depicted/worshiped in Buddhist traditions?  I know Ruegg
>has done a little work on the subject but wasn't sure what else to
>suggest to this person.
>Thanks,
>Joel Bordeaux, Columbia



There is a fairly extensive article on Ganesh in the Buddhist context
in Dina Bangdel's and my  Circle of Bliss: Buddhist Meditational Art
catalogue (catalogue entry no.152 or nearby).

I have forwarded your request for interns to two people I know in New
York, both of whom are very good young photographers.

John




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Mon Apr 11 15:57:30 2005
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 05 17:57:30 +0200
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.62.0504111456550.2452@anat-lws119>
Message-ID: <161227076206.23782.16786206480028419373.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a
>fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  

Deha/dehin (or shar?ra/shar?rin, etc) seems to be a fairly common binary
pair (more or less related as external to internal) at least from the
Upanishads onwards.

Martin Gansten




From plamen at ORIENTALIA.ORG  Mon Apr 11 22:27:02 2005
From: plamen at ORIENTALIA.ORG (Plamen Gradinarov)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 01:27:02 +0300
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
Message-ID: <161227076243.23782.1309083413017757192.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Deha/dehin seems to be a fairly common binary pair

Isn't it interesting that as a matter of fact Atma is the dehin, while the videhin is by no means the Purusa. :-)

If we take mind to be the manas as etymology of mens requires, then in most systems, there is no mind-body problem because mind itself is a material substance (or prakriti with the rest of the manifestations of citta, while Atman though cit, is not citta).

Plamen Gradinarov
http://www.yogadarsana.org




From zysk at HUM.KU.DK  Tue Apr 12 07:41:32 2005
From: zysk at HUM.KU.DK (Kenneth Zysk)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 09:41:32 +0200
Subject: shvetaarkakalpa
Message-ID: <161227076246.23782.16739385656823507131.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Is there anybody out there on the list, who can help me with the exact
meaning and references to the word s'vetaarkakalpa?

Many thanks in advance.

Ken Zysk




From a.griffiths at THEOL.RUG.NL  Tue Apr 12 08:00:09 2005
From: a.griffiths at THEOL.RUG.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 10:00:09 +0200
Subject: out of station / change of address
Message-ID: <161227076249.23782.13648329731650429071.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear friends, family, colleagues,

Between 20 April and 1 July, I will be away on field work in India, and
will not be able to consult my university email account. For urgent
matters, please contact me via <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>.

 From July 1, my office and email addresses will be as follows:

Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA  Leiden
the Netherlands

email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>

Website of the dept. of South and Central Asian Languages and Cultures:
<www.tczca.leidenuniv.nl>

phone (direct): +31 (0)71 527 2622
phone (secretary): + 31 (0)71 527 2503
fax: +31 (0)71 527 2956

 From July 15, my home address will be:

Kraaierstraat 24
2311 NS Leiden
the Netherlands

With best greetings,

Arlo Griffiths




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Tue Apr 12 16:27:01 2005
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 18:27:01 +0200
Subject: shvetaarkakalpa
In-Reply-To: <000c01c53f33$0e8b9d80$940b5c53@KGZysk>
Message-ID: <161227076252.23782.1716388033284019915.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Is there anybody out there on the list, who can help me with the exact
>meaning and references to the word s'vetaarkakalpa?

Is there any chance of it being a misreading for s'vetavaraahakalpa?

Martin Gansten




From athr at LOC.GOV  Tue Apr 12 23:35:04 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 19:35:04 -0400
Subject: shvetaarkakalpa
Message-ID: <161227076255.23782.14478743544940982649.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Aufrecht's Catalogus catalogorum, v. 1, p. 677, s.v., cites the Catalogue of Sanskrit manuscripts in the private libraries of the North-Western Provinces, I, 8, "An extract from some medical work."  

Arka is Calatropis gigantea, a milkweed, prominent in medicine and magic.    But books on Indian medical botany should clarify whether s'vetaarka is one of several varieties.  It's very common in waste places and I always find its appearance rather sinister, with a scraggly growth habit and leaves of a pale grey-green, about the height of a man.

Here's a site that shows and describes it, from a reputable source (Purdue U.): <http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/CropFactSheets/calotropis.html>.  The picture shows a plant with what appear to be pure white flowers, but the description indicates they can vary in color.  

Siva wears white arka flowers: <http://freehomepages.com/brahadheesh/tamilarts/articles/festival_of_dance.html>. 

There is also a book on medicine, the Arkaprasa of Ravana, which has three eds. in our catalog <catalog.loc.gov>, and the catalog record for one of them says, "...on description of recipes (arkas) prepared by distillation, according to ayurvedic system in Indic medicine."  So there is another meaning of arka in medicine.

Allen


Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE 04/12/05 12:27 PM >>>
>Is there anybody out there on the list, who can help me with the exact
>meaning and references to the word s'vetaarkakalpa?

Is there any chance of it being a misreading for s'vetavaraahakalpa?

Martin Gansten




From athr at LOC.GOV  Tue Apr 12 23:40:49 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 19:40:49 -0400
Subject: Ganapati query and call for interns
Message-ID: <161227076258.23782.10163739743664905349.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Look at the Library of Congress catalog under Ganesa (Buddhist deity), and you will find three books on Ganesa in Japanese. Also, there is Alice Getty's classic book on the deity, which I know deals with the god in Buddhism:

Gane?sa; a monograph on the elephant-faced god.  [2d ed.] New Delhi, Munshiram Manoharlal, 1971

I am sending you Joel, separately, a list of some other general books on Ganesa which might have something on his Buddhist forms but which I'm not sure would.  The file would be too long for the list.

Allen


Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> rubberjoel at SAFE-MAIL.NET 04/11/05 3:57 PM >>>
Hello.  Can anyone point me to some books or articles discussing Ganesha as depicted/worshiped in Buddhist traditions?  I know Ruegg has done a little work on the subject but wasn't sure what else to suggest to this person.
Thanks,
Joel Bordeaux, Columbia




From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Wed Apr 13 03:51:42 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 05 22:51:42 -0500
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.62.0504111456550.2452@anat-lws119>
Message-ID: <161227076262.23782.8511463929958005090.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Although body/soul may not be a binary pair in Indian thought, the triad
body/mind/soul, i.e. sarira/antahkarana/atma seem pretty common in Vedanta
especially in the sense that atma is neither of them.

Best,

Dean

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>Dominik Wujastyk
>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:12 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: body in discussions of the soul
>
>
>I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul
>is a fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New
>Age thought, the triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace,
>and this is often projected onto Indian thought.  Once again,
>I currently think this triad is not a particularly fundamental
>one from the Sanskrit sources themselves.
>
>
>Dominik




From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Wed Apr 13 17:56:10 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 05 12:56:10 -0500
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <000001c53fdc$28df8760$210110ac@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <161227076264.23782.15243333132132809041.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

One might also consider it at least an implied duality in the many
denunciations of the body as just a bag of "pus and blood" etc. in texts
like the Upanisads. I'm not sure how explicitly the duality was stated
though. At the time I wasn't reading the texts with that concept in mind.

Best,

Dean

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dominik
>>Wujastyk
>>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:12 AM
>>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>Subject: Re: body in discussions of the soul
>>
>>
>>I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a
>>fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New Age
>thought, the
>>triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace, and this is often
>>projected onto Indian thought.  Once again, I currently think this
>>triad is not a particularly fundamental one from the Sanskrit sources
>>themselves.
>>
>>
>>Dominik
>




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed Apr 13 21:09:26 2005
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 05 15:09:26 -0600
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
Message-ID: <161227076266.23782.13047774247476053073.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The ancient triad probably originated with the Zoroastrians: "good thoughts,
good words, good deeds." In Buddhism it got translated/transferred as "body,
speech and mind." That phrase recurs often in much of the Buddhist
literature. Perhaps it was appropriated by the New Agers as "body, mind,
spirit"-- introducing a metaphysical element--"spirit,"--New Age writing is
rife with metaphysicality--
that was not originally there.

Joanna Kirkpatrick
======================================

> >>
> >>I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a
> >>fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New Age
> >thought, the
> >>triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace, and this is often
> >>projected onto Indian thought.  Once again, I currently think this
> >>triad is not a particularly fundamental one from the Sanskrit sources
> >>themselves.
> >>
> >>
> >>Dominik




From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Wed Apr 13 23:50:24 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 05 18:50:24 -0500
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <004101c5406d$138abec0$2930cece@charlie>
Message-ID: <161227076269.23782.7142766663222403317.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I haven't had a chance to look through the Upanishads but a few modern
Vedanta web sites talk of a body, mind, atma triad which seem to match what
I remember from Shankara. These are not as satisfying as if I could come up
with references from the classical texts but the idea does seem to be part
of the traditional Vedantic doctrine. I also seem to remember reading in
Shankara about the five koshas and that the first two were the body and the
last three the mind ('antahkarana' as distinct from the more limited term
'manas') but I can't remember if that division was in the main text or the
commentary.

"we tend to mistake the thoughts and actions of the body mind complex to be
the operations of the atma."
http://www.katha.org/academics/Advaita-PT-IIIA.html

"That which glows [i.e., the sun] is Om," says the ancient Aitareya-Brahmana
(5.32). The life-producing energies of the sun are the energies of Om. Om is
the sun of body, mind, and spirit, 
http://www.atmajyoti.org/up_isha_upanishad_8.asp

Teachings of the Katha Upanishad: 
...
The Atma is pure unwavering awareness. It is agitationless,: it is
Consciousness, infinite and full. Our innermost essence is Atma. We are not
the body, mind or senses. 
http://www.cosmicharmony.com/Wi/WImain.htm

Prajapati said, "O Indra, please listen to me. This body is perishable. It
is enveloped and overwhelmed by death from every side. How could this be the
Atman?" 
[commentary by Swami Krishnananda]:
       The physical body is subject to death and transformation, a matter
known to everyone. So is the state of the psychic individuality also. The
mind is not in any way better than the body in that it is equally finite,
limited, and conditioned in the same way as the body is.
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/chhand/ch_4f.html

Mind is the most important Tattva of Linga Sarira. Linga Sarira is the
astral body or Sukshma Sarira that is linked to the physical body through
physical Prana.
...Just as the physical body is composed of solid, liquid and gaseous
matter, so also the mind is made up of subtle matter of various grades of
density with different rates of vibration. 
http://www.starwon.com.au/~soham/MIND/mindchap01.htm

There is also this translation from the Aitareya Upanishad which I haven't
checked for accuracy:
3.1.2
So we see that which is the heart and mind cannot also be the soul,
perception, discrimination, intelligence, wisdom, insight, steadfastness,
thought, thoughtfulness, impulse, memory, conception, purpose, life, desire,
and control - all these are attributes of the entity within the body whose
nature is Brahman, but they are not He, nor He, they.
http://www.indiadivine.com/aitareya-upanishad.htm

Best,

Dean Anderson

>> >>I'm out on a limb here, but I'm not convinced that body/soul is a 
>> >>fundamental binary pair in Sanskritic culture.  In New Age
>> >thought, the
>> >>triad "body, mind, spirit" is a commonplace, and this is often 
>> >>projected onto Indian thought.  Once again, I currently think this 
>> >>triad is not a particularly fundamental one from the Sanskrit 
>> >>sources themselves.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Dominik
>




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Thu Apr 14 03:06:17 2005
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 05 20:06:17 -0700
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <004101c5406d$138abec0$2930cece@charlie>
Message-ID: <161227076291.23782.9994485145712168250.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

If for no other reason than that this thread was initiated by my
query, let me respond very briefly to the following suggestion:

>The ancient triad probably originated with the Zoroastrians: "good thoughts,
>good words, good deeds." In Buddhism it got translated/transferred as "body,
>speech and mind." That phrase recurs often in much of the Buddhist
>literature.


If the implication is that the Buddhist idea was borrowed from
Zoroastrians, I very much doubt this. The analysis of possible
actions into those of body, speech and mind is a rather obvious and
logical one; in fact, as I tell my students, there is really no other
reasonable reductive analysis possible. Whether this can in some way
translate to another triad, mapping as it were on to
body-spirit-mind, seems to me problematic. At least as far as I know,
in Indian Buddhist traditions no such triad exists (although, I
hasten to add, I have not read, and doubtless never will read, all
Indian Buddhist literature).
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From annamisia at YAHOO.COM  Thu Apr 14 10:31:07 2005
From: annamisia at YAHOO.COM (Miska Pruszowska)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 03:31:07 -0700
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <000001c540d4$40d08920$210110ac@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <161227076281.23782.13536239330110316160.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

By the term "Indian iconography" do you mean "Hindu
iconography"?
As far as the Hindu iconography is concerned, Hindu
gods such as Lakshmi and Surya were depicted, in a way
known from later times, already on the Buddhist stupa
of Bharhut (2nd BC) and on the stupa railings in
Sanchi. For a quick look, see Harle: The art and
architecture of the Indian subcontinent (p.26ff).

Best,

Anna Slaczka.

--- Dean Anderson <dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG> wrote:

> Raffaele Pettazzoni, Professor of the History of
> Religions at the University
> of Rome, wrote in _The All-Knowing God_ (1956:124)
> the following line. Is it
> still true that this is the earliest example of
> Indian iconography?
>
>  "The standing god with three heads or faces whom we
> find on some coins of
> the Indo-Scythian kings of Kusan (second century
> A.D.) is the oldest known
> example in Indian iconography of historical times;
> from the third century
> onwards the instances become steadily more numerous
> in sculpture.
>
> Best,
>
> Dean Anderson
>




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From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Thu Apr 14 09:26:49 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 04:26:49 -0500
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <EFEEIHCLFKOBLPMJLGIJIEMECCAA.himal.trikha@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <161227076278.23782.9314845069960666564.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Raffaele Pettazzoni, Professor of the History of Religions at the University
of Rome, wrote in _The All-Knowing God_ (1956:124) the following line. Is it
still true that this is the earliest example of Indian iconography?
 
 "The standing god with three heads or faces whom we find on some coins of
the Indo-Scythian kings of Kusan (second century A.D.) is the oldest known
example in Indian iconography of historical times; from the third century
onwards the instances become steadily more numerous in sculpture. 

Best,

Dean Anderson




From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Thu Apr 14 11:27:16 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 06:27:16 -0500
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <20050414103107.38009.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227076284.23782.17718041899459894613.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Good point. I thought the statement seemed a bit odd. Surely Sanchi was
during the historical period. And it had certainly been discovered in 1956.
I wonder what he was thinking.

Can anyone decipher what he might have been trying to say?  :-)

Dean

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>Miska Pruszowska
>Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:31 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
>
>
>By the term "Indian iconography" do you mean "Hindu
>iconography"? As far as the Hindu iconography is concerned,
>Hindu gods such as Lakshmi and Surya were depicted, in a way
>known from later times, already on the Buddhist stupa of
>Bharhut (2nd BC) and on the stupa railings in Sanchi. For a
>quick look, see Harle: The art and architecture of the Indian
>subcontinent (p.26ff).
>
>Best,
>
>Anna Slaczka.
>
>--- Dean Anderson <dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG> wrote:
>
>> Raffaele Pettazzoni, Professor of the History of
>> Religions at the University
>> of Rome, wrote in _The All-Knowing God_ (1956:124)
>> the following line. Is it
>> still true that this is the earliest example of
>> Indian iconography?
>>
>>  "The standing god with three heads or faces whom we
>> find on some coins of
>> the Indo-Scythian kings of Kusan (second century
>> A.D.) is the oldest known
>> example in Indian iconography of historical times;
>> from the third century
>> onwards the instances become steadily more numerous
>> in sculpture.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean Anderson
>>
>
>
>
>
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From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Thu Apr 14 07:38:50 2005
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 08:38:50 +0100
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
In-Reply-To: <000001c54083$a47b88e0$210110ac@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <161227076271.23782.1545053093579640915.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At first glance, these seem to be  attempts to summarize the teaching
of these Upanisads (from a particular Vedanta point of view) rather
than translations of any particular passage.  In the case of the
Aitareya, in particular, the original is much more enigmatic.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

At 6:50 pm -0500 13/4/05, Dean Anderson wrote:
>I haven't had a chance to look through the Upanishads but a few modern
>Vedanta web sites talk of a body, mind, atma triad which seem to match what
>I remember from Shankara......
>Teachings of the Katha Upanishad:
>...
>The Atma is pure unwavering awareness. It is agitationless,: it is
>Consciousness, infinite and full. Our innermost essence is Atma. We are not
>the body, mind or senses.


>....
>There is also this translation from the Aitareya Upanishad which I haven't
>checked for accuracy:
>3.1.2
>So we see that which is the heart and mind cannot also be the soul,
>perception, discrimination, intelligence, wisdom, insight, steadfastness,
>thought, thoughtfulness, impulse, memory, conception, purpose, life, desire,
>and control - all these are attributes of the entity within the body whose
>nature is Brahman, but they are not He, nor He, they.
>http://www.indiadivine.com/aitareya-upanishad.htm




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Thu Apr 14 14:28:08 2005
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John Huntington)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 10:28:08 -0400
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <000001c540d4$40d08920$210110ac@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <161227076289.23782.2707659208367242115.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Raffaele Pettazzoni, Professor of the History of Religions at the University
>of Rome, wrote in _The All-Knowing God_ (1956:124) the following line. Is it
>still true that this is the earliest example of Indian iconography?
>
>  "The standing god with three heads or faces whom we find on some coins of
>the Indo-Scythian kings of Kusan (second century A.D.) is the oldest known
>example in Indian iconography of historical times; from the third century
>onwards the instances become steadily more numerous in sculpture.
>
>Best,
>
>Dean Anderson



No. There is sculpture of Buddha images from Swat 
that are at least 2 centuries earlier and images 
from Mathura that are Buddhist and others (Jain, 
S?aiva) that are first  century BCE
Both the Sanchi stupa 2 and and Barhut railings 
are early 1st century BCE and the Pitalkhora
door guardians and  Gana.  There are fragments of 
Mauryan (mid 3rd century BCE) sculpture at 
Sarnath, the Didergang cauri bearer, the 
Lohanipur torso, and numbers of fragments from 
the Patliputra area (Modern Patna). There are 
also the Patna and Vidisha Yakshas from about the 
beginning of the 2nd century BCE. All of these 
are certainly "iconographic"

By the way, you can find all of these sculptures 
and sites on our website URL below.

Kusan coinage as the origin of Indic art 
developed with Alfred Foucher in the Late teens 
and twenties of the 20th Century with the on 
going thesis that the Greeks taught the Indians 
everything they know about iconography.

The truth is far more complex. Mortimer Wheeler 
in his Flames over Persepolis semonstrated that 
when Alexander conquered the Persian empire, at 
least some of the sculptors made their way to the 
Court of Chandragupta Maurya. There is a 
description of Chandragupta's palace by a "greek" 
probably Macedonian ambassador named Megasthenes 
who visited the court in the late 3rd century BCE 
in which he mentions the gleaming stone pillars.

Thus, the craft of fine stone carving  arrived in 
India at about 325 BCE.  However, both the Lomas 
Rishi cave  facade (3rd century BCE) and the huge 
cave complex at Pitalkhora (2nd century BCE) are 
detailed copies of elegant wooden architecture. 
What this suggests is that there was a tradition 
of monumental wooden architecture for palaces and 
sacred spaces already in place by the third 
century (probably with roots of great antiquity). 
As both of these sites have beautifully executed 
animal sculpture and Pitalkhora has figurative 
sculpture as well, it seems that figurative and 
iconic sculpture was already an established 
on-going tradition.

My guess is that if Patliputra is ever 
excavated(tricky since modern Patna is on top of 
it) we would find a great deal of sculpted stone 
and, since most of the actual ruins are below the 
current water table, even wooden sculpture. One 
such wooden sculpture has come to light and is in 
private hands in the city itself.

Pettazzoni was writing at a time, 1956, when 
Foucher's theory was still part of the dialog, 
however, while there are a few older scholars who 
may believe it, not many if any of the younger 
ones do and in My opinion what I have outlined 
above makes much more sense.

I hope this helps

John



--
John C. Huntington, Professor
    (Buddhist Art and Methodologies)
The Ohio State University

Please visit the Huntington Archive website at:
http://huntingtonarchive.osu.edu




From himal.trikha at UNIVIE.AC.AT  Thu Apr 14 08:53:12 2005
From: himal.trikha at UNIVIE.AC.AT (Himal Trikha)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 10:53:12 +0200
Subject: body (in discussions of the soul)
In-Reply-To: <000001c54083$a47b88e0$210110ac@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <161227076274.23782.5294500918602967886.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear members,

following this thread I take the advantage to ask a side question, namely if
anybody is familiar with the term "saMsarga" applied to the body?

I assume this usage in the SatyazAsanaparIkSA of the Jaina VidyAnandin which
in the context of the discussion of NyAya-VaizeSika hands down a verse where
saMsarga is counted as an element of the 21-fold duHkha:
saMsargau sukhaduHkhe ca tathArthendriyabuddhayaH |
pratyekaM SaDvidhAz ceti duHkhasaMkhyaikaviMzatiH || (Edition of Calcutta
1964)

>?From parallel material in the NyAyavArttika it is clear that saMsarga here
has to be understood as a term for the body:
ekaviMzatiprabhedabhinnaM punar duHkham: *zarIraM* SaDindriyANi SaDviSayAH
SaDbuddhayaH sukhaM duHkhaM ceti. (Edition of Calcutta 1934ff)

Are there any other contexts where the body is called "saMsarga"?

Thank you very much for your help

Himal Trikha, M.A.
Institute for Southasian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies
Vienna University
Hof 2.1
Spitalgasse 2
1090 Vienna
Austria
http://www.univie.ac.at/istb




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Apr 14 15:54:06 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 11:54:06 -0400
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
Message-ID: <161227076296.23782.15813414992072423411.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Doris Srinivasan has written a book of 350+ pages on the history of multiple-headed gods:

Many heads, arms, and eyes : origin, meaning, and form of multiplicity in Indian art 
Leiden ; New York : Brill, 1997.


Allen



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.




From asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI  Thu Apr 14 09:25:35 2005
From: asko.parpola at HELSINKI.FI (Asko Parpola)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 12:25:35 +0300
Subject: out of station / change of address
Message-ID: <161227076276.23782.5422104855160813222.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Arlo,
        So it is official now! My heartiest congratulations, and best wishes
for your fieldtrip to India! Yours, Asko


Arlo Griffiths wrote:
> Dear friends, family, colleagues,
>
> Between 20 April and 1 July, I will be away on field work in India, and
> will not be able to consult my university email account. For urgent
> matters, please contact me via <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>.
>
>  From July 1, my office and email addresses will be as follows:
>
> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA  Leiden
> the Netherlands
>
> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
>
> Website of the dept. of South and Central Asian Languages and Cultures:
> <www.tczca.leidenuniv.nl>
>
> phone (direct): +31 (0)71 527 2622
> phone (secretary): + 31 (0)71 527 2503
> fax: +31 (0)71 527 2956
>
>  From July 15, my home address will be:
>
> Kraaierstraat 24
> 2311 NS Leiden
> the Netherlands
>
> With best greetings,
>
> Arlo Griffiths




From a.griffiths at THEOL.RUG.NL  Thu Apr 14 12:34:10 2005
From: a.griffiths at THEOL.RUG.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 14:34:10 +0200
Subject: out of station / change of address
In-Reply-To: <425E370F.5010904@helsinki.fi>
Message-ID: <161227076286.23782.9103344894957095890.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks!

A

On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:25, Asko Parpola wrote:

> Dear Arlo,
>        So it is official now! My heartiest congratulations, and best
> wishes
> for your fieldtrip to India! Yours, Asko
>
>
> Arlo Griffiths wrote:
>> Dear friends, family, colleagues,
>>
>> Between 20 April and 1 July, I will be away on field work in India,
>> and
>> will not be able to consult my university email account. For urgent
>> matters, please contact me via <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>.
>>
>>  From July 1, my office and email addresses will be as follows:
>>
>> Instituut Kern, Universiteit Leiden
>> Postbus 9515
>> 2300 RA  Leiden
>> the Netherlands
>>
>> email: <arlo.griffiths at let.leidenuniv.nl>
>>
>> Website of the dept. of South and Central Asian Languages and
>> Cultures:
>> <www.tczca.leidenuniv.nl>
>>
>> phone (direct): +31 (0)71 527 2622
>> phone (secretary): + 31 (0)71 527 2503
>> fax: +31 (0)71 527 2956
>>
>>  From July 15, my home address will be:
>>
>> Kraaierstraat 24
>> 2311 NS Leiden
>> the Netherlands
>>
>> With best greetings,
>>
>> Arlo Griffiths
>




From selwyn at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Apr 14 15:26:31 2005
From: selwyn at NTLWORLD.COM (L.S. Cousins)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 16:26:31 +0100
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <000001c540e4$f4825330$210110ac@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <161227076294.23782.8695851044731270025.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It may be that what is intended (or the misunderstood source) is a
statement concerning the earliest representation of a multi-headed
deity. In fact, however, there are earlier coins with such
representations.

Lance Cousins

>Good point. I thought the statement seemed a bit odd. Surely Sanchi was
>during the historical period. And it had certainly been discovered in 1956.
>I wonder what he was thinking.
>
>Can anyone decipher what he might have been trying to say?  :-)
>
>Dean
>
>
>  >
>>--- Dean Anderson <dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG> wrote:
>>
>>>  Raffaele Pettazzoni, Professor of the History of
>>>  Religions at the University
>>>  of Rome, wrote in _The All-Knowing God_ (1956:124)
>>>  the following line. Is it
>>>  still true that this is the earliest example of
>>>  Indian iconography?
>>>
>>>   "The standing god with three heads or faces whom we
>>>  find on some coins of
>>>  the Indo-Scythian kings of Kusan (second century
>>>  A.D.) is the oldest known
>>>  example in Indian iconography of historical times;
>>>  from the third century
>>>  onwards the instances become steadily more numerous
>>>  in sculpture.
>>>
>>>  Best,
>>>
>  >> Dean Anderson
>>>




From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Thu Apr 14 22:29:44 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 17:29:44 -0500
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <p06210204be8423512542@[128.146.41.35]>
Message-ID: <161227076299.23782.13369033779695853578.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I'd like to thank everyone for their helpful replies! It has not only
cleared up the issue but brought to light some unexpected treasures.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>John Huntington
>Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:28 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
>
>Both the Sanchi stupa 2 and Barhut railings
>are early 1st century BCE

Would you consider the Sanchi stupa Vedika to be based on wood carving? Are
there other wood-based carvings at Sanchi?

>Thus, the craft of fine stone carving  arrived in
>India at about 325 BCE.  However, both the Lomas
>Rishi cave  facade (3rd century BCE) and the huge
>cave complex at Pitalkhora (2nd century BCE) are
>detailed copies of elegant wooden architecture.
>What this suggests is that there was a tradition
>of monumental wooden architecture for palaces and
>sacred spaces already in place by the third
>century (probably with roots of great antiquity).

Can you recommend some publications to learn more about the transition from
wood to stone carving and any indications of early wood carving traditions?

>Pettazzoni was writing at a time, 1956, when
>Foucher's theory was still part of the dialog,

This seems to clear it up.

I was able to locate all of the images except for Pitalkhora on your
fascinating web site. Where can those be found?

Thanks again to everyone,

Dean Anderson




From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Thu Apr 14 22:34:16 2005
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 05 17:34:16 -0500
Subject: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
In-Reply-To: <20050414103107.38009.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227076301.23782.7156261833289985562.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks for the reply! I noted the book you recommended and I'm headed to the
library right now.

Best,

Dean Anderson


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>Miska Pruszowska
>Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:31 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Earliest example of Indian iconography is Kushan?
>
>
>By the term "Indian iconography" do you mean "Hindu
>iconography"? As far as the Hindu iconography is concerned,
>Hindu gods such as Lakshmi and Surya were depicted, in a way
>known from later times, already on the Buddhist stupa of
>Bharhut (2nd BC) and on the stupa railings in Sanchi. For a
>quick look, see Harle: The art and architecture of the Indian
>subcontinent (p.26ff).
>
>Best,
>
>Anna Slaczka.
>
>--- Dean Anderson <dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG> wrote:
>
>> Raffaele Pettazzoni, Professor of the History of
>> Religions at the University
>> of Rome, wrote in _The All-Knowing God_ (1956:124)
>> the following line. Is it
>> still true that this is the earliest example of
>> Indian iconography?
>>
>>  "The standing god with three heads or faces whom we
>> find on some coins of
>> the Indo-Scythian kings of Kusan (second century
>> A.D.) is the oldest known
>> example in Indian iconography of historical times;
>> from the third century
>> onwards the instances become steadily more numerous
>> in sculpture.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean Anderson
>>
>
>
>
>
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From sellmers at GMX.DE  Fri Apr 15 05:51:12 2005
From: sellmers at GMX.DE (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 05 07:51:12 +0200
Subject: body in discussions of the soul
Message-ID: <161227076303.23782.16285673894949736900.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

For the early history of the triad "thought, word, deed" see: Bernfried
Schlerath, "Gedanke, Wort und Werk im Veda und im Awesta", in: M. Marhofer
et al. (ed.), Antiquitates Indogermanicae. Gedenkschrift f?r Hermann
G?ntert, Innsbruck 1974, p. 201-221.

Best wishes to all,

Dr. Sven Sellmer
Adam Mickiewicz University
Department of Oriental Studies
ul. Miedzychodzka 5
PL - 60-371 Poznan
Poland
sellmers at gmx.de




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Sun Apr 17 17:55:41 2005
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 05 19:55:41 +0200
Subject: Sanskrit grammar web site
Message-ID: <161227076306.23782.13870034003082755311.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

A friend has asked me to announce that his Analytical Cross-Referenced
Sanskrit Grammar, constructed as a learning aid for himself but possibly
helpful to others, is available at:

http://www2.teol.lu.se/skrgram/index.html

Regards,
Martin Gansten




From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU  Tue Apr 19 20:41:46 2005
From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 05 16:41:46 -0400
Subject: historical/biographical query
Message-ID: <161227076308.23782.11806998609389628477.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,
I am having difficulty tracking down any background information to help
answer a reference query, and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on where
I might look to find more on this topic. Any advice or assistance greatly
appreciated.

The task is to try to find out any information about the life of one
William Ward Marrett (1840-1904), the English architect who built/decorated
the Falaknuma, the palace built in Hyderabad between 1882 and 1892 for
Nawab Vikar ul-Ulmara. Marrett lived in Italy, and is said to have been
buried in Hyderabad.

That is all I know, and I don't even know what it is I don't know!
Suggestions?

Thanks for any help.

David Magier
South/Southeast Asian Studies Librarian
Columbia University Libraries
magier at columbia.edu




From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Apr 20 15:14:28 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 05 11:14:28 -0400
Subject: historical/biographical query
Message-ID: <161227076310.23782.4466173696248765930.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Maybe BACSA (British Association for Cemeteries in South Asia) has something on him in its printed works, considering Omar has given us his place of burial.

Allen

>>> Omar Khalidi <okhalidi at MIT.EDU> 04/20/05 7:55 AM >>>
George Michell, architect and author asked me this question, and I provided 
Marrett's life span as given in List of Inscriptions on Tombs or Monuments 
in the Nizam's Dominion, by O.S. Crofton, Hyderabad, 1941. Marrett lies 
buried in Hyderabad as listed in the Crofton book. The other person who may 
know is Alison Mackenzie, PhD student at UPenn/History Dept. No one in 
Hyderabad, Deccan seems to know about him beyond identifying him as the 
engineer of the PWD.
Omar


At 04:41 PM 4/19/2005 -0400, David Magier wrote:
>Dear Colleagues,
>I am having difficulty tracking down any background information to help 
>answer a reference query, and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on where 
>I might look to find more on this topic. Any advice or assistance greatly 
>appreciated.
>
>The task is to try to find out any information about the life of one 
>William Ward Marrett (1840-1904), the English architect who 
>built/decorated the Falaknuma, the palace built in Hyderabad between 1882 
>and 1892 for Nawab Vikar ul-Ulmara. Marrett lived in Italy, and is said to 
>have been buried in Hyderabad.
>
>That is all I know, and I don't even know what it is I don't know! 
>Suggestions?
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>David Magier
>South/Southeast Asian Studies Librarian
>Columbia University Libraries
>magier at columbia.edu 




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Thu Apr 21 14:45:37 2005
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John Huntington)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 10:45:37 -0400
Subject: lac insect
In-Reply-To: <6739977050567a8fc988b0c01a71035e@ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <161227076315.23782.10136175219858604830.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

lac insect

Small plant-sucking insect related to scale insects and mealy bugs.
The females of most species lack legs and have reduced antennae;
their bodies are globular and enclosed within a dense resinous
secretion called lac. Lac insects are found mainly in the tropics and
subtropics.

Classification
  Lac insects are members of the family Lacciferidae, order Hemiptera
(suborder Homoptera), class Insecta, phylum Arthropoda.

A number of species have two generations annually, in which two types
of males occur: the first generation includes both winged and
wingless males; the second generation is wingless.

Many species used to be of considerable commercial value, as they
yield a dye. However, with the advent of synthetic dyes the demand
for lac insects has decreased.

The Indian lac insect, Laccifer lacca, produces stick lac, a
secretion from which shellac (used in varnishes and polishes) is
prepared.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/animals/data/m0063562.html

John



>Dear Colleagues,
>
>I have seen the Indian lac insect (that produces the lac resin)
>identified by various zoological names:  Laccifer lacca (= Tachardia
>lacca), Kerria lac Kerr, Coccus lacca, Carteria lacca.  Does anyone
>know which of these is the most recently accepted name among
>zoologists/entomologists?  Or can you point me to an authoritative
>source?
>
>Yours
>
>John Brockington
>
>
>Professor J. L. Brockington
>Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies
>Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies
>7-8 Buccleuch Place
>Edinburgh  EH8 9LW      U.K.
>tel: +131 650 4174




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Thu Apr 21 15:41:45 2005
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John Huntington)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 11:41:45 -0400
Subject: lac insect
Message-ID: <161227076317.23782.14671338818904685882.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My apologies!  I was interrupted while I was and completely for got
to all my comment.

It seems that there are several species, of Lacciferidae, and the
current usage for the Indian source of shellac is Laccifer lacca.
'
All the best

John


lac insect

Small plant-sucking insect related to scale insects and mealy bugs.
The females of most species lack legs and have reduced antennae;
their bodies are globular and enclosed within a dense resinous
secretion called lac. Lac insects are found mainly in the tropics and
subtropics.

Classification
  Lac insects are members of the family Lacciferidae, order Hemiptera
(suborder Homoptera), class Insecta, phylum Arthropoda.

A number of species have two generations annually, in which two types
of males occur: the first generation includes both winged and
wingless males; the second generation is wingless.

Many species used to be of considerable commercial value, as they
yield a dye. However, with the advent of synthetic dyes the demand
for lac insects has decreased.

The Indian lac insect, Laccifer lacca, produces stick lac, a
secretion from which shellac (used in varnishes and polishes) is
prepared.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/animals/data/m0063562.html

John



>Dear Colleagues,
>
>I have seen the Indian lac insect (that produces the lac resin)
>identified by various zoological names:  Laccifer lacca (= Tachardia
>lacca), Kerria lac Kerr, Coccus lacca, Carteria lacca.  Does anyone
>know which of these is the most recently accepted name among
>zoologists/entomologists?  Or can you point me to an authoritative
>source?
>
>Yours
>
>John Brockington
>
>
>Professor J. L. Brockington
>Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies
>Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies
>7-8 Buccleuch Place
>Edinburgh  EH8 9LW      U.K.
>tel: +131 650 4174




From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK  Thu Apr 21 10:55:44 2005
From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (J. L. Brockington)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 11:55:44 +0100
Subject: lac insect
Message-ID: <161227076312.23782.9525416344867673500.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

I have seen the Indian lac insect (that produces the lac resin)
identified by various zoological names:  Laccifer lacca (= Tachardia
lacca), Kerria lac Kerr, Coccus lacca, Carteria lacca.  Does anyone
know which of these is the most recently accepted name among
zoologists/entomologists?  Or can you point me to an authoritative
source?

Yours

John Brockington


Professor J. L. Brockington
Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies
Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies
7-8 Buccleuch Place
Edinburgh  EH8 9LW      U.K.
tel: +131 650 4174




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Apr 21 16:29:50 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 12:29:50 -0400
Subject: lac insect
Message-ID: <161227076319.23782.8107859238127816425.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

While we're on this, does anyone know the scientific name of the the indragopa, a bright red beetle, which I was under the impression was bright red and about the size (I would estimate 3-4 mm long) of what in the US we call a ladybug or ladybird? (The latter is also bright red, but with black spots.)  Monier-Williams says it is the lac insect, but I doubt that.  Among other things, as I recall in kavya it is mentioned that the indragopa comes out in the monsoons and is found in the grass or herbage, whereas the lac insect dwells on certain trees or shrubs, and is not associated with any particular season.  A standard trope is to compare indragopas to drops of blood, or the reverse.

I also thought I remembered that in Wasson's Soma book there was a discussion of the indragopa and its association with soma in India and of similar beetles and the fly agaric elsewhere.  But I had a quick look at the book and saw no such thing in the text or index, just a discussion of the associations of the plants with flies.

I will have to look at the Opie's book on nursery rhymes, sub "Ladybug, ladybug, fly away home."  I am quite sure I read someplace that the association of such small bright red beetles with divine beings (Our Lady, Indra) is very widespread.

I once saw a lot of bright but very tiny bugs or other non hard-shelled insects (not beetles) in Jahanara Park in Delhi during the monsoon, and wondered if that could be the indragopa, but they were so small I wondered how they could be compared to drops of blood in size.

Allen


Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Apr 21 17:51:06 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 13:51:06 -0400
Subject: lac insect
Message-ID: <161227076327.23782.9527164444212531828.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks, Valerie.  

I was thinking of blood quietly dripping from a cut, in drops.  Our poets were doubtless thinking of it spurting from a major wound in the moment of its infliction, as so graphically portrayed in miniatures, which would mean lots of little tiny droplets on the ground.

Do we need a  site somewhere where one can permanently post suggested corrections to Monier-Williams and Boehtlingk and Roth et al?

Allen

Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET 04/21/05 1:13 PM >>>
It's a mite (arachnid, of the genus Trombiidae), not an insect.  See
Lienhard, S. 'On the Meaning and Use of the Word Indragopa', in
Indologica Taurinensia, Vol. VI, 1978.  The creatures you saw in
Jahanara Park in the monsoon sound about right.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

At 12:29 pm -0400 21/4/05, Allen W Thrasher wrote:
>While we're on this, does anyone know the scientific name of the the
>indragopa, a bright red beetle, which I was under the impression was
>bright red and about the size (I would estimate 3-4 mm long) of what
>in the US we call a ladybug or ladybird? (The latter is also bright
>red, but with black spots.)  Monier-Williams says it is the lac
>insect, but I doubt that.  Among other things, as I recall in kavya
>it is mentioned that the indragopa comes out in the monsoons and is
>found in the grass or herbage, whereas the lac insect dwells on
>certain trees or shrubs, and is not associated with any particular
>season.  A standard trope is to compare indragopas to drops of
>blood, or the reverse.
>
>I also thought I remembered that in Wasson's Soma book there was a
>discussion of the indragopa and its association with soma in India
>and of similar beetles and the fly agaric elsewhere.  But I had a
>quick look at the book and saw no such thing in the text or index,
>just a discussion of the associations of the plants with flies.
>
>I will have to look at the Opie's book on nursery rhymes, sub
>"Ladybug, ladybug, fly away home."  I am quite sure I read someplace
>that the association of such small bright red beetles with divine
>beings (Our Lady, Indra) is very widespread.
>
>I once saw a lot of bright but very tiny bugs or other non
>hard-shelled insects (not beetles) in Jahanara Park in Delhi during
>the monsoon, and wondered if that could be the indragopa, but they
>were so small I wondered how they could be compared to drops of
>blood in size.
>
>Allen
>
>
>Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
>Senior Reference Librarian
>Southern Asia Section
>Asian Division
>Library of Congress
>Jefferson Building 150
>101 Independence Ave., S.E.
>Washington, DC 20540-4810
>tel. 202-707-3732
>fax 202-707-1724
>athr at loc.gov 
>The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the
>Library of Congress.




From ssandahl at EAGLE.CA  Thu Apr 21 21:27:24 2005
From: ssandahl at EAGLE.CA (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 17:27:24 -0400
Subject: Indragopa (was Re: lac insect)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.62.0504211824480.5820@anat-lws119>
Message-ID: <161227076330.23782.2243641971162316538.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Indeed, the indragopa cannot have been the cochineal. But the real South
American cochineal, Coccus Cacti, was introduced into India in the late 18th
century. See article in George Watt: The Commercial Products of India
(abridged version) p.347-349.
Stella Sandahl

on 21/04/05 13:26, Dominik Wujastyk at d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK wrote:

> Indragopa insect: Most of the Indic dictionaries say `cochineal' which
> can't be true because that's S. American.  I thought for a while it was
> this red/black wasp.  But again, probably not.  I now believe I've got
> good authorities for thinking that indragopa = indragopaa = lac =
> laaksaa = Kerria lacca (Kerr.).
>
>
> Dominik
>
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Allen W Thrasher wrote:
>
>> While we're on this, does anyone know the scientific name of the the
>> indragopa, a bright red beetle, which I was under the impression was
>> bright red and about the size (I would estimate 3-4 mm long) of what in
>> the US we call a ladybug or ladybird? (The latter is also bright red,
>> but with black spots.)  Monier-Williams says it is the lac insect, but I
>> doubt that.  Among other things, as I recall in kavya it is mentioned
>> that the indragopa comes out in the monsoons and is found in the grass
>> or herbage, whereas the lac insect dwells on certain trees or shrubs,
>> and is not associated with any particular season.  A standard trope is
>> to compare indragopas to drops of blood, or the reverse.
>>
>> I also thought I remembered that in Wasson's Soma book there was a
>> discussion of the indragopa and its association with soma in India and
>> of similar beetles and the fly agaric elsewhere.  But I had a quick look
>> at the book and saw no such thing in the text or index, just a
>> discussion of the associations of the plants with flies.
>>
>> I will have to look at the Opie's book on nursery rhymes, sub "Ladybug,
>> ladybug, fly away home."  I am quite sure I read someplace that the
>> association of such small bright red beetles with divine beings (Our
>> Lady, Indra) is very widespread.
>>
>> I once saw a lot of bright but very tiny bugs or other non hard-shelled
>> insects (not beetles) in Jahanara Park in Delhi during the monsoon, and
>> wondered if that could be the indragopa, but they were so small I
>> wondered how they could be compared to drops of blood in size.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
>> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
>> Senior Reference Librarian
>> Southern Asia Section
>> Asian Division
>> Library of Congress
>> Jefferson Building 150
>> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
>> Washington, DC 20540-4810
>> tel. 202-707-3732
>> fax 202-707-1724
>> athr at loc.gov
>> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of
>> Congress.
>>
>




From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Thu Apr 21 17:13:37 2005
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 18:13:37 +0100
Subject: lac insect
In-Reply-To: <s2679df4.021@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227076322.23782.5177917404607991239.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It's a mite (arachnid, of the genus Trombiidae), not an insect.  See
Lienhard, S. 'On the Meaning and Use of the Word Indragopa', in
Indologica Taurinensia, Vol. VI, 1978.  The creatures you saw in
Jahanara Park in the monsoon sound about right.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

At 12:29 pm -0400 21/4/05, Allen W Thrasher wrote:
>While we're on this, does anyone know the scientific name of the the
>indragopa, a bright red beetle, which I was under the impression was
>bright red and about the size (I would estimate 3-4 mm long) of what
>in the US we call a ladybug or ladybird? (The latter is also bright
>red, but with black spots.)  Monier-Williams says it is the lac
>insect, but I doubt that.  Among other things, as I recall in kavya
>it is mentioned that the indragopa comes out in the monsoons and is
>found in the grass or herbage, whereas the lac insect dwells on
>certain trees or shrubs, and is not associated with any particular
>season.  A standard trope is to compare indragopas to drops of
>blood, or the reverse.
>
>I also thought I remembered that in Wasson's Soma book there was a
>discussion of the indragopa and its association with soma in India
>and of similar beetles and the fly agaric elsewhere.  But I had a
>quick look at the book and saw no such thing in the text or index,
>just a discussion of the associations of the plants with flies.
>
>I will have to look at the Opie's book on nursery rhymes, sub
>"Ladybug, ladybug, fly away home."  I am quite sure I read someplace
>that the association of such small bright red beetles with divine
>beings (Our Lady, Indra) is very widespread.
>
>I once saw a lot of bright but very tiny bugs or other non
>hard-shelled insects (not beetles) in Jahanara Park in Delhi during
>the monsoon, and wondered if that could be the indragopa, but they
>were so small I wondered how they could be compared to drops of
>blood in size.
>
>Allen
>
>
>Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
>Senior Reference Librarian
>Southern Asia Section
>Asian Division
>Library of Congress
>Jefferson Building 150
>101 Independence Ave., S.E.
>Washington, DC 20540-4810
>tel. 202-707-3732
>fax 202-707-1724
>athr at loc.gov
>The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the
>Library of Congress.




From d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK  Thu Apr 21 17:26:36 2005
From: d.wujastyk at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 18:26:36 +0100
Subject: Indragopa (was Re: lac insect)
In-Reply-To: <s2679df4.021@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227076325.23782.966474975422464966.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Indragopa insect: Most of the Indic dictionaries say `cochineal' which
can't be true because that's S. American.  I thought for a while it was
this red/black wasp.  But again, probably not.  I now believe I've got
good authorities for thinking that indragopa = indragopaa = lac =
laaksaa = Kerria lacca (Kerr.).


Dominik



On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Allen W Thrasher wrote:

> While we're on this, does anyone know the scientific name of the the
> indragopa, a bright red beetle, which I was under the impression was
> bright red and about the size (I would estimate 3-4 mm long) of what in
> the US we call a ladybug or ladybird? (The latter is also bright red,
> but with black spots.)  Monier-Williams says it is the lac insect, but I
> doubt that.  Among other things, as I recall in kavya it is mentioned
> that the indragopa comes out in the monsoons and is found in the grass
> or herbage, whereas the lac insect dwells on certain trees or shrubs,
> and is not associated with any particular season.  A standard trope is
> to compare indragopas to drops of blood, or the reverse.
>
> I also thought I remembered that in Wasson's Soma book there was a
> discussion of the indragopa and its association with soma in India and
> of similar beetles and the fly agaric elsewhere.  But I had a quick look
> at the book and saw no such thing in the text or index, just a
> discussion of the associations of the plants with flies.
>
> I will have to look at the Opie's book on nursery rhymes, sub "Ladybug,
> ladybug, fly away home."  I am quite sure I read someplace that the
> association of such small bright red beetles with divine beings (Our
> Lady, Indra) is very widespread.
>
> I once saw a lot of bright but very tiny bugs or other non hard-shelled
> insects (not beetles) in Jahanara Park in Delhi during the monsoon, and
> wondered if that could be the indragopa, but they were so small I
> wondered how they could be compared to drops of blood in size.
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
> Senior Reference Librarian
> Southern Asia Section
> Asian Division
> Library of Congress
> Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732
> fax 202-707-1724
> athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.
>




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Apr 21 23:59:49 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 05 19:59:49 -0400
Subject: Sanskrit words with -ks-
Message-ID: <161227076332.23782.8928526857871294575.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Madhav,

I may have misremembered, or maybe there were various experimental attempts to adapt Western  notation before it settled down on the pattern you mention.   Some of the books I looked at may have been early 20th or even 19th c.  I think I have some notes of the matter, and will try to find them.

What did they do about z, if anything?  Maybe this was what jJa was used for.

I have a marvellous little booklet in Marathi on the Theory of Relativity, in which  in the mathematical equations  Modi letters are used where Hebrew letters are used in the original.

The whole question of imitating of other aspects of Western typography is interesting.  In the 19th century there were experiments in using boldface in Indian scripts where the West would use italics.  Nowadays, of course, there are Nagari Italic fonts.  There was also the occasional use of oversize initials at the beginning of a chapter or section, on the model of Western large capitals.  I seem to recall even seeing a few that were further ornamented ("historiated").  I have the impression the Gujaratis did this the most, but it didn't persist as far as I've noticed.

Allen



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.

>>> Allen W Thrasher 04/18/05 8:15 PM >>>


>>> mmdesh at UMICH.EDU 04/16/05 8:03 AM >>>


Hi Allen,

    In my Marathi school books of Algebra in Pune around 1959-60, we 
always had "a + ba + ka + Da" and "kS + ya".  Obviously, the Marathi 
authors and translators were trying to stay close to "a+b+c+d" amd 
"x+y".  I never saw "jJa" though.  It was always "kSa + ya" in my 
books.  Interestingly, they never used "ksa", but always "kSa".  The 
Marathi/Devanagari rendering of loan-words like "box" does use "ksa".

Madhav

--- In ScholarlyServices at yahoogroups.com, "Allen W Thrasher" <athr at l.
..> wrote:
> A curiosity is that in some 19th and 20th century printed books on 
mathematics (I have examined ones in Marathi, Hindi, and Sanskrit in 
Devanagari), the conjunct kSa is used as the equivalent x as the 
unknown in an equation, or to label a point in a geometrical 
illustration. The conjunct jJa is used as equivalent to y, and I 
forget what is done for z.  This is perhaps because of the habit in 
some Devanagari areas of adding these two conjuncts at the end of the 
alphabet in teaching it.  Is there any reason for the latter 
practice except that they are quite unpredictable and unsystematic 
compared to other conjuncts?  Does anyone know how far back it goes?
> 
> Allen
> 
> 
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
> Senior Reference Librarian
> Southern Asia Section
> Asian Division
> Library of Congress
> Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732
> fax 202-707-1724
> athr at l...
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the 
Library of Congress.





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From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Mon Apr 25 16:42:54 2005
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John Huntington)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 05 12:42:54 -0400
Subject: Two New Resources on the Huntington Archive
Message-ID: <161227076334.23782.3564186901938849962.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

1) I am pleased to announce that after three years of work and with a
major grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities, the first
section of the Digital database is ready for use. It consists of
about 40,000 black and white photographs from Susan's an my
photographic documentation work in India, Nepal, Sri Lanka,
Bangladesh and Afghanistan. the majority of the material is Buddhist
but many of the great Hindu temple sites are included as well. Much
of the photography was done in 1969-70 when access and photographic
permission were easier to obtain.

The site is entirely intended for educational use and to that end the
use of the site is free for personal research and teaching.
Unfortunately if you need high resolution images for publication,
there is a tiered fee system. Please see the site for details

Please note that the search engine is still a "work in progress" and
that it will be upgraded in the near future (once testing is done).
There is also a speed problem if you too many responses to a query.
That has to do with multi-server logistics and a solution is in the
works.

http://huntingtonarchive.osu.edu/ go to Digital Database

2) I have put up a few test examples of didactic drawings that I made
for the Circle of Bliss: Buddhist Meditational Art catalog and
exhibition along with others that I have made as part of a "Visual
Encyclopedia of Buddhist Iconography." I basically intend that these
be available as both classroom graphics to use  to explain some of
the basic concepts of Buddhism and a a resource for individuals who
wish to learn about Buddhism.

At the moment, there are about 150 pages up in several areas
concerning mostly Mahayana and Tantric Buddhist concepts.  I have a
database of roughly 2000+ terms for which similar didactics could be
made. In addition, a pictorial database of images is also
underdevelopment.

I would deeply appreciate feedback as to the usefulness of this project.

In particular, I  would appreciate comments on the Chitta (yes, at
the moment, we are using phonetic spellings) , Mount Meru (which will
soon be expanded greatly), Mount Menu and the Yogin, the Five
Certainties, and (lower on the page under "Buddhist Symbol Systems)
Symbolic Systems of Stupas (which is the most fully developed of the
entries so far).

You are most welcome to review the other charts, but they are less
effective as complete explanations and we will be removing or
replacing them sometime this summer.

http://huntingtonarchive.osu.edu/  go to "projects," go to "NEW:
Visual Encyclopedia of Buddhist Iconography"

Enjoy, and thank you in advance for your responses.

Sincerely,

John C. Huntington, Founding Co-Director of the Huntington Archive
Dina Bangdel, Curator of the huntington Archive




From athr at LOC.GOV  Mon Apr 25 17:32:04 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 05 13:32:04 -0400
Subject: symposium on classical studies and imperialism
Message-ID: <161227076337.23782.14557370666634401943.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This may suggest parallels to some members of this list, as regards the use of the Indian "classics" in traditional, British, and post-independence India, and maybe even the Harappan sign system.

Allen

=================================

Date:    Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:54:53 -0700
From:    "Marilyn Levine, Lewis-Clark State College" <mlevine at LCSC.EDU>
Subject: H-Asia: Final CFP: Hegemony and Cornucopia

H-ASIA
April 22, 2005

Final CFP: Hegemony and Cornucopia
*************************************************
From:   "Dr Emma Reisz" <emma.reisz at jesus.ox.ac.uk>


CFP: Hegemony and Cornucopia: Classical Scholarship and the
Ideology of Imperialism A one-day conference at the University
of Nottingham, UK,  Saturday 10 December 2005 This
interdisciplinary workshop will examine the transformation of
Western classical scholarship alongside the expansion of
European imperialism, focusing particularly on the eighteenth to
the twentieth centuries. The conference aims to bring together
those interested in classical reception with scholars of modern
empire and also with scholars of the ancient world beyond the
Mediterranean. Papers might examine the interaction of classical
scholarship, ancient history, and modern imperialism from any
disciplinary perspective.

The theme of 'Hegemony and Cornucopia' alludes to the routes by
which empires forge power from heterogeneity, imperial elites
profiting from the diversity of empire while constructing
discourses of identity and of alterity to maintain control. Was
a changing Western scholarly understanding of ancient Greece and
Rome connected to the ways in which European empires employed
and understood the variation of their constituent populations,
cultures, environments and products? How did encounters between
European and non-European traditions of 'the classical' shape
ancient historiography and modern imperialism? Subjects for
consideration could include, but are certainly not limited to:
discourses of imperialism; decadence and decay; citizenship and
slavery; public and private morality; material culture,
exoticism and imperial wealth; knowledge, science and
'development'; race and nationality; and ideas of European
exceptionalism. Diverse methodologies are encouraged.

Papers should be original and should have not been previously
published or delivered at a major conference. Abstracts should
be submitted by 30 April 2005. Successful contributors will be
requested to submit draft versions of their papers by 30
September 2005 to be considered for publication in a conference
volume.

Please consult our website for more information:
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/classics/research/Empire05/home.phtml 
 or contact us at empire.conference at nottingham.ac.uk 


Organisers:

Dr Mark Bradley (Classics, Nottingham)
Dr Emma Reisz (History, Oxford)




From annamisia at YAHOO.COM  Wed Apr 27 06:08:26 2005
From: annamisia at YAHOO.COM (Miska Pruszowska)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 05 23:08:26 -0700
Subject: Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa
In-Reply-To: <BE95126D.3D62%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227076343.23782.12390993767873955770.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Greg,

At the moment I can't think of any specific study, but
'the classic' Hindu Temple of Stella Kramrisch gives
the date of 6th century AD (Kramrisch 1946: 5 note 7).
This is indeed the date found in the majority of
publications.

Cheers,
Anna Slaczka.


--- Greg Bailey <greg.bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU> wrote:

> Dear List,
>
>  A colleague from outside Indology has approached me
> for information about
> the date of Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa.  Any
> bibliographical advice
> would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg Bailey
>


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From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Wed Apr 27 05:36:32 2005
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 05 07:36:32 +0200
Subject: Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa
In-Reply-To: <BE95126D.3D62%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227076341.23782.10045092753688507445.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> A colleague from outside Indology has approached me for information about
>the date of Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa.  Any bibliographical advice
>would be very welcome.

Pingree's _Jyotihsastra: Astral and Mathematical Literature_ (Wiesbaden,
1981) is the place to look. Varahamihira flourished in the 6th century.

Regards,
Martin Gansten




From toke_knudsen at BROWN.EDU  Wed Apr 27 12:09:05 2005
From: toke_knudsen at BROWN.EDU (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 05 08:09:05 -0400
Subject: Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050427073632.00b3a100@pop.lu.se>
Message-ID: <161227076346.23782.13373338852881482596.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Apr 27, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Martin Gansten wrote:

> Pingree's _Jyotihsastra: Astral and Mathematical Literature_
> (Wiesbaden,
> 1981) is the place to look. Varahamihira flourished in the 6th century.

In addition to this, there is also the entry on VarAhamihira in
Dictionary of Scientific Biography (vol. XIII, pp. 581-3).  The entry
on VarAhamihira in Census of the Exact Sciences in Sanskrit (series A,
vol. 5, pp. 563-95) has information and bibliography on both
VarAhamihira and the BRhatsaMhitA.

Best wishes,
Toke




From greg.bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU  Tue Apr 26 23:57:01 2005
From: greg.bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU (Greg Bailey)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 05 09:57:01 +1000
Subject: Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050417195541.00b35650@pop.lu.se>
Message-ID: <161227076339.23782.3788462092614119385.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List,

 A colleague from outside Indology has approached me for information about
the date of Varaahamihira's B.rhatsa.mhitaa.  Any bibliographical advice
would be very welcome.

Cheers,

Greg Bailey




From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Apr 27 18:18:32 2005
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 05 14:18:32 -0400
Subject: number-words and other numerical systems: great source
Message-ID: <161227076349.23782.4485771034607988050.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Several times questions have come up on this list about the Indian systems of turning numbers into words, especially in verse, numbering systems other than numerals used for pagination of manuscripts, and the like.  There is an excellent reference book on numbers in general which has a very thorough treatment of most of these topics, putting together information otherwise quite scattered.  It is:


Ifrah, Georges.  Histoire universelle des chiffres : l'intelligence des hommes
racont?e par les nombres et le calcul.  Paris : R. Laffont, c1994.  2 v. : ill. ; 

English translation:  The universal history of numbers : from prehistory to the invention of the computer. Translated from the French by David Bellos ... [et al.].  London : Harvill Press, 1998.  xxiv, 633 p. : ill. 

American ed.:  New York : Wiley, 2000- 2 vols.

I am a bit puzzled about the American ed., because it is certainly available in a one-vol. ed. in the US, and in paperback.  See Amazon.com.  I think perhaps that vol. 2 is really what is published by Wiley as Universal history of computing.

Further information:

Electronic File Info.:   Contributor biographical information
                            http://www.loc.gov/catdir/bios/wiley045/99045531.html 
                         Publisher description
                            http://www.loc.gov/catdir/description/wiley039/99045531.html 
                         Table of Contents
                            http://www.loc.gov/catdir/toc/onix04/99045531.html 

Allen




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From karp at UW.EDU.PL  Thu Apr 28 05:17:13 2005
From: karp at UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 05 07:17:13 +0200
Subject: Query: two terms in Urdu
In-Reply-To: <98effbd762d84058b160d6a54ce06b72@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <161227076351.23782.6013730496286074347.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List Members,

Does anyone know what are the (formal) Urdu equivalents of:

a. National Park
b. Wildlife Sanctuary


Thanking you in advance and

Regards,

Artur Karp

PS.: Dolphin Sanctuary?




From SamuelG at CARDIFF.AC.UK  Fri Apr 29 10:04:53 2005
From: SamuelG at CARDIFF.AC.UK (Geoffrey Samuel)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 05 11:04:53 +0100
Subject: Position Vacant in Indian Religions (Buddhist Studies) at Cardiff
Message-ID: <161227076353.23782.12215473451784028297.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Senior Lecturer - Cardiff School of Religious and Theological Studies (276)

Vacancy Number: 2005/0276

You will teach and conduct research in areas 
within, or closely allied to, one of the School's 
areas of excellence, namely Indian Religions. 
Preference will be given to candidates who can 
undertake teaching and research in Buddhist 
Studies and have expertise in one or more of its 
classical languages.

Salary: ?37558 - ?42573 per annum

Closing date: 20 May 2005

For further details of the position, see 
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/schoolsanddivisions/divisions/humrs/jobs/academicresearchsenior/ref276.html 


Information on the School of Religious and 
Theological Studies can be found at 
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