From karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL  Sun Aug  3 07:59:08 2003
From: karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 09:59:08 +0200
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
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Dear List Memebers,

Could anyone please inform me whether the Vishvanath Temple in Benares is
open to non-Hindus?

If yes - then from when?

Thank you in advance,

Artur Karp
University of Warsaw
Poland


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From Axel.Michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Sun Aug  3 10:12:01 2003
From: Axel.Michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Axel Michaels)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 12:12:01 +0200
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
Message-ID: <161227073012.23782.5046699024746517933.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

No, it is now closed to non-Hindus, but (a) there are more Vishvanath
temples or shrines in Varanasi, and (b) the main, famous V. temple was
apparently open to non-Hindus until mid-19th cent.

Best
Axel Michaels

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Subject: Vishvanath Temple


> Dear List Memebers,
>
> Could anyone please inform me whether the Vishvanath Temple in Benares is
> open to non-Hindus?
>
> If yes - then from when?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Artur Karp
> University of Warsaw
> Poland
>


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From Axel.Michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Sun Aug  3 10:14:21 2003
From: Axel.Michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Axel Michaels)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 12:14:21 +0200
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
Message-ID: <161227073014.23782.8093556705119005516.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

No, it is now closed to non-Hindus, but (a) there are more Vishvanath
temples or shrines in Varanasi (see index of www.benares.uni-hd.de), and (b)
the main, famous V. temple was
apparently open to non-Hindus until mid-19th cent.

Best
Axel Michaels, Heidelberg


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To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:59 AM
Subject: Vishvanath Temple


> Dear List Memebers,
>
> Could anyone please inform me whether the Vishvanath Temple in Benares is
> open to non-Hindus?
>
> If yes - then from when?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Artur Karp
> University of Warsaw
> Poland
>


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From Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Sun Aug  3 10:28:58 2003
From: Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Joerg Gengnagel)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 12:28:58 +0200
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030803095539.02db84e8@mercury.ci.uw.edu.pl>
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Dear Artur Karp,

the present Vishvanatha temple which was constructed in 1777 and sponsored by
Queen Ahalya Bai of Indore is - like other temples in this central area - not
open to non-Hindus. There are of course other Vishvanatha temples in Banaras
(at BHU or Mir Ghat) where access is not resticted.

Best

Joerg Gengnagel

South Asia Institute, Heidelberg
http://www.benares.uni-hd.de




From karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL  Sun Aug  3 12:21:07 2003
From: karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 14:21:07 +0200
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
In-Reply-To: <1059906538.3f2ce3ea1a622@wwwmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Message-ID: <161227073018.23782.6301101064440676831.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks to Axel Michaels & Joerg Gengnagel for their input.

However, if you please, one more question concerning the Vishvanath Temple
(main): are there in force any regulations that would disable the members
of any segment of (broadly defined) Hindu population from entering it?
Sikhs? Untouchables? Like, for example, Banarasi Doms?

Regards,

Artur Karp


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From ssandahl at EAGLE.CA  Sun Aug  3 19:00:32 2003
From: ssandahl at EAGLE.CA (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 15:00:32 -0400
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
In-Reply-To: <1059916573.3f2d0b1d46216@wwwmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Message-ID: <161227073023.23782.12115571156844411611.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I distinctly remember that during my first visit to Benares in 1970 there
was a sign in Hindi  outside the temple that foreigners and Harijans were
not allowed in (harijanoM aur videshiyoM ko andar jaanaa manaa hai). I
managed to enter it in 1975 with the help of a Hindu friend who assured them
that I was a Kashmiri Brahmin. I understand he also gave the priests some
bakshish. The sign is not longer there I believe.

 Best
Stella Sandahl

on 03/08/03 09:16, Joerg Gengnagel at Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE
wrote:

> I am only aware of the fact that the Vishvanatha Temple was opened to
> untouchables in 1956. Svami Karpatri (Dharm Sangh, Durga Kund) and his Ram
> Rajya Party protested against this and a New Kashi Vishvanatha Temple was
> constructed with the help of the Maharaja at Mir Ghat.
> If one looks at regulations one should also take the vyavahara into
> consideration: I know of resident Non-Hindus and Non-Hindu members of
> pilgrimage groups who were allowed to enter the temple.
>
> Best
>
> Joerg Gengnagel
>




From Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Sun Aug  3 13:16:13 2003
From: Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Joerg Gengnagel)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 15:16:13 +0200
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030803140812.0231c330@mercury.ci.uw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <161227073021.23782.8503761516835430494.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am only aware of the fact that the Vishvanatha Temple was opened to
untouchables in 1956. Svami Karpatri (Dharm Sangh, Durga Kund) and his Ram
Rajya Party protested against this and a New Kashi Vishvanatha Temple was
constructed with the help of the Maharaja at Mir Ghat.
If one looks at regulations one should also take the vyavahara into
consideration: I know of resident Non-Hindus and Non-Hindu members of
pilgrimage groups who were allowed to enter the temple.

Best

Joerg Gengnagel




From asg at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Mon Aug  4 18:01:43 2003
From: asg at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Andrew Glass)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 11:01:43 -0700
Subject: Sanskrit word order sort program
Message-ID: <161227073028.23782.2328179726969910794.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Stephen,

Here is the macro I've been using. You should paste it into a new module in
the Visual Basic Editor for Excel.

The macro, called SortCodeGenerator, prompts you for the Source and Target
ranges, and then the Sort type. For Sanskrit, only Sanskrit is necessary.
Gandhari also requires an absolute sort code.

I aim to streamline the interface at some point, but I'm not there yet. I
ran the process on 11,000 items the other day, and it took between half and
one hour to process, on a new P4 2 GHz laptop. Its probably a good idea to
test it on some smaller chunks to begin with. If I get time I will also add
Tibetan encoding this month?

Best wishes,

Andrew


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From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG  Mon Aug  4 20:24:13 2003
From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (Dean Anderson)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 13:24:13 -0700
Subject: Vishvanath Temple
Message-ID: <161227073030.23782.9144595674361117681.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

An important distinction to make is that between Hindus and those who look
like Hindus, i.e. non-foreigners.

Most Hindus consider it possible to convert to Hinduism. Last I heard, the
officials at Viswanath held this view and allowed foreigners, i.e. those of
European appearance, to enter the temple if they could establish that they
were Hindus. This is also common in South India.

A minority consider it impossible to convert to Hinduism and they bar all
those of European appearance from temples (unless they can convince them
that they are Kashmiris -- which is not an easy task.) The temples in Nepal
and Orissa are closed on these grounds except for many of the
archaeological sites.

In practice, the decision by the conservatives is usually made on the
questionable basis of skin color. Those with dark skin and hair and who
dress Indian can often enter without being stopped. If someone was to
announce that they were not a Hindu, then they might be barred but of
course almost no one does that. I have also heard of "westernized" Hindus
being barred and also those who are publicly known to be non-Hindu like
Indira Gandhi.

Dean Anderson



-----Original Message-----
From:   Artur Karp [SMTP:karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL]
Sent:   Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:59 AM
To:     INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject:        Vishvanath Temple

Dear List Memebers,

Could anyone please inform me whether the Vishvanath Temple in Benares is
open to non-Hindus?

If yes - then from when?

Thank you in advance,

Artur Karp
University of Warsaw
Poland
 << File: ATT00000.txt >>




From Klaus.Karttunen at HELSINKI.FI  Mon Aug  4 10:42:13 2003
From: Klaus.Karttunen at HELSINKI.FI (Klaus Karttunen)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 13:42:13 +0300
Subject: Helsinki Sanskrit Conference
Message-ID: <161227073025.23782.9824829791087539371.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,
the Photo Album of 12th Sanskrit Conference can be seen in:
http://www.helsinki.fi/hum/aakkl/12wsc/Photos/index.html

Regards
Klaus
--
Klaus Karttunen, Ph.D.
Docent of Indology and Classical Ethnography
Institute of Asian and African Studies
PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B), 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
phone 358-0-19122188, fax 358-0-19122094




From rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ  Mon Aug  4 20:36:45 2003
From: rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ (Richard Mahoney)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 08:36:45 +1200
Subject: Sanskrit word order sort program ?
In-Reply-To: <000701c34ff0$2262c6f0$7616893e@zen>
Message-ID: <161227073033.23782.10324946309375099830.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:24:55AM +0100, Stephen Hodge wrote:

> Does anybody know if there is a program around for sorting romanized
> Sanskrit into correct dictionary order.

The perl module `Sort::ArbBiLex -- make sort functions for arbitrary
sort orders' seems appropriate. With scripting, this module will sort
head words for multilingual lexicons.

Details at:

 http://search.cpan.org/dist/Sort-ArbBiLex/ArbBiLex.pm


I've written a short perl script to sort utf-8 Romanised Skt.,
`sort-utf8-rom-skt-proto' (my first, so be kind). The script calls
`Sort::ArbBiLex' and is based on a couple of examples in the man
pages.

Script at:

 http://homepages.comnet.co.nz/~r-mahoney/biblio/biblio.html


I would welcome remarks, bug reports &c.


Best regards,

 Richard Mahoney


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From karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL  Tue Aug  5 11:29:49 2003
From: karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 13:29:49 +0200
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?
Message-ID: <161227073037.23782.18186303196810583744.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks to all who responded to my query re: Vishvanath Temple.

I have another problem, a bit funny, perhaps.

Be, please, patient with me and help me with locating the source of the
famous mantra used during the marriage ceremony (panigrahana).

This I am, that art thou,
That indeed, art thou, this, yea, This I am.
I, the heaven, thou, the earth,
I am saman, thou are rik,
Let us marry, let us marry here.
Let us join together and beget our little ones,
Loving each other, desirous of moral splendour,
With genial minds and hearts,
Thus, yea, thus may we live,
Through a hundred autumns.

And - what is the source of the mantra repeated during the saptapadi?

Thanking you in advance

Artur Karp


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From Scharf at BROWN.EDU  Tue Aug  5 20:32:40 2003
From: Scharf at BROWN.EDU (Peter M. Scharf)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 16:32:40 -0400
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030805132323.02dbfa10@mercury.ci.uw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <161227073042.23782.12597687271090778686.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Taittiriya Brahmana 3.7.9, Apastamba Srauta Sutra 9.2.3, Ap. M.B.
1.3.14 (Ap G 2.4.17.
The sequence of steps of the marriage are described in
marriage-ceremony manuals (vivaha-paddhati) and in collections of the
samskaras.  A readily available study of these is by
Rajbali Pandey.  Hindu Samskaras. Motilal Banarsidass, 2d. 1969, Reprint: 1993.

p. 218 describes the pani-grahana

>Be, please, patient with me and help me with locating the source of the
>famous mantra used during the marriage ceremony (panigrahana).
>
>This I am, that art thou,
>That indeed, art thou, this, yea, This I am.
>I, the heaven, thou, the earth,
>I am saman, thou are rik,
>Let us marry, let us marry here.
>Let us join together and beget our little ones,
>Loving each other, desirous of moral splendour,
>With genial minds and hearts,
>Thus, yea, thus may we live,
>Through a hundred autumns.
>
>And - what is the source of the mantra repeated during the saptapadi?
>
>Thanking you in advance
>
>Artur Karp
>
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From hwtull at MSN.COM  Tue Aug  5 20:37:24 2003
From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 16:37:24 -0400
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?
Message-ID: <161227073044.23782.12122335092558836754.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

One source is AV 14.49 ff.; see Pandey, Hindu Samskaras

Herman Tull
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Valerie J Roebuck 
  To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?


  This looks like a variation on the verse in Brhadaranyaka VI.4.20.

  Valerie J Roebuck
  Manchester, UK

  At 1:29 pm +0200 5/8/03, Artur Karp wrote:

  >Be, please, patient with me and help me with locating the source of the
  >famous mantra used during the marriage ceremony (panigrahana).
  >
  >This I am, that art thou,
  >That indeed, art thou, this, yea, This I am.
  >I, the heaven, thou, the earth,
  >I am saman, thou are rik,
  >Let us marry, let us marry here.
  >Let us join together and beget our little ones,
  >Loving each other, desirous of moral splendour,
  >With genial minds and hearts,
  >Thus, yea, thus may we live,
  >Through a hundred autumns.




From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Tue Aug  5 15:55:07 2003
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 16:55:07 +0100
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030805132323.02dbfa10@mercury.ci.uw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <161227073039.23782.373911139343163239.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This looks like a variation on the verse in Brhadaranyaka VI.4.20.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

At 1:29 pm +0200 5/8/03, Artur Karp wrote:

>Be, please, patient with me and help me with locating the source of the
>famous mantra used during the marriage ceremony (panigrahana).
>
>This I am, that art thou,
>That indeed, art thou, this, yea, This I am.
>I, the heaven, thou, the earth,
>I am saman, thou are rik,
>Let us marry, let us marry here.
>Let us join together and beget our little ones,
>Loving each other, desirous of moral splendour,
>With genial minds and hearts,
>Thus, yea, thus may we live,
>Through a hundred autumns.




From gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET  Tue Aug  5 21:29:04 2003
From: gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET (George Thompson)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 17:29:04 -0400
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030805132323.02dbfa10@mercury.ci.uw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <161227073047.23782.13306011673896834121.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hello,

These specific lines are not attested in the RV [10.85] or AV [AVZ 14.1 and
2] vivaaha hymns.  Besides the places cited by Peter, see also Azv. gR. s.
1.7.3f.

In general, also see Kane's *History of Dharmazaastra* vol 2, part 1,
Chapter 9 on marriage.  In particular see p. 527ff. where the AGS passage is
translated and discussed in detail.

The AGS passage also cites the saptapadii 'ekamiiSe viSNustvaam nayatu....'

Kane cites all of the variants.

Best wishes,

George Thompson
-----Original Message-----
From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Artur Karp
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:30 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?


Thanks to all who responded to my query re: Vishvanath Temple.

I have another problem, a bit funny, perhaps.

Be, please, patient with me and help me with locating the source of the
famous mantra used during the marriage ceremony (panigrahana).

This I am, that art thou,
That indeed, art thou, this, yea, This I am.
I, the heaven, thou, the earth,
I am saman, thou are rik,
Let us marry, let us marry here.
Let us join together and beget our little ones,
Loving each other, desirous of moral splendour,
With genial minds and hearts,
Thus, yea, thus may we live,
Through a hundred autumns.

And - what is the source of the mantra repeated during the saptapadi?

Thanking you in advance

Artur Karp




From rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ  Tue Aug  5 06:39:57 2003
From: rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ (Richard Mahoney)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 18:39:57 +1200
Subject: Sanskrit word order sort program? [Tibetan sort script]
In-Reply-To: <00c901c350c0$301d37f0$7616893e@zen>
Message-ID: <161227073035.23782.16770833361398511409.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:13:25AM +0100, Stephen Hodge wrote:

[snip]

> I also have need often of sorting Mongolian and Tibetan (for which
> nobody has come up with a sort program recently though I suspect
> that the unique nature of Tibetan dictionary word order might defeat
> even this program).

[snip]

Using the perl module `Sort::ArbBiLex', I've written a perl script to
sort Romanised Tib. in Wylie translit., with Skt. words in
Harvard-Kyoto translit.: `sort-wylie-rom-tib-proto'. The script lives
at:

 http://homepages.comnet.co.nz/~r-mahoney/biblio/biblio.html


As with the script for sorting utf-8 Romanised Skt., I would welcome
remarks, bug reports &c.


Best regards,

 Richard Mahoney


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From s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Thu Aug  7 01:02:04 2003
From: s.hodge at PADMACHOLING.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Stephen Hodge)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 02:02:04 +0100
Subject: Sanskrit word order sort program
Message-ID: <161227073049.23782.4489519134074518895.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Andrew,

Many thanks.  I'll give it a try once I locate a copy of Excel.

Best wishes,
Stephen Hodge

> Here is the macro I've been using. You should paste it into a new module
in
> the Visual Basic Editor for Excel.
>
> The macro, called SortCodeGenerator, prompts you for the Source and Target
> ranges, and then the Sort type. For Sanskrit, only Sanskrit is necessary.
> Gandhari also requires an absolute sort code.




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Thu Aug  7 14:40:57 2003
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 09:40:57 -0500
Subject: Gold Coins
In-Reply-To: <p05100306b95f4eb97923@[37.255.9.109]>
Message-ID: <161227073054.23782.14276837242442550888.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:

Sorry if this reaches you twice through Indology and ScholarlyServices.

I have a question regarding the earliest issuance of gold coins in
India. My expertise in numismatics is non-existent, but I hope there
will be some among you out there in cyberspace who can throw some
light on this (preferably with some biblio references). I gather from
some experts that the earliest extant cold coins in India (that is
coins that have been found by archaeologists) goes back only to the
Kushana period. Do you know of any that go further back?

And are there any unambiguous references to gold coins in literature
from an earlier period? The mere mention of hiranya or suvarna may
not mean much, because the terms may simply refer to gold, gold
ornaments, precious substances, etc. The Arthasastra does not seem to
have any unambiguous reference to gold coins; in fact gold minting is
not mentioned in its section on minting. Manu has several unambiguous
references to gold coins (see 8.213, 361, possible  also 8.393 gold
masaka) coins. If we can pin down the issue of gold coins in
archaeology, then may be this could be one factor in determing the
age of a text.

Thank you for your help.

Patrick Olivelle




From McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU  Thu Aug  7 01:37:28 2003
From: McComas.Taylor at ANU.EDU.AU (McComas Taylor)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 11:37:28 +1000
Subject: Paper on false ascetics in Italian?
Message-ID: <161227073051.23782.2530773383887687365.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Friends

I dimly recall having seen a paper on false ascetics in Sanskrit literature
in Italian. Can anyone help me identify this?

With thanks in advance

McComas




From bb145 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu Aug  7 15:43:34 2003
From: bb145 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Bindu Bhat)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 11:43:34 -0400
Subject: Gold Coins
In-Reply-To: <p05100347bb58133bb311@[66.141.52.60]>
Message-ID: <161227073056.23782.3331266229421856972.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick,
I am no scholar when it comes to numismatics. However, the following
website seems to have some good references. Hope it helps.

http://www.med.unc.edu/~nupam/ancient1.html

Bindu


--On 07 ????? 2003 09:40 -0500 Patrick Olivelle <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
wrote:

> Friends:
>
> Sorry if this reaches you twice through Indology and ScholarlyServices.
>
> I have a question regarding the earliest issuance of gold coins in
> India. My expertise in numismatics is non-existent, but I hope there
> will be some among you out there in cyberspace who can throw some
> light on this (preferably with some biblio references). I gather from
> some experts that the earliest extant cold coins in India (that is
> coins that have been found by archaeologists) goes back only to the
> Kushana period. Do you know of any that go further back?
>
> And are there any unambiguous references to gold coins in literature
> from an earlier period? The mere mention of hiranya or suvarna may
> not mean much, because the terms may simply refer to gold, gold
> ornaments, precious substances, etc. The Arthasastra does not seem to
> have any unambiguous reference to gold coins; in fact gold minting is
> not mentioned in its section on minting. Manu has several unambiguous
> references to gold coins (see 8.213, 361, possible  also 8.393 gold
> masaka) coins. If we can pin down the issue of gold coins in
> archaeology, then may be this could be one factor in determing the
> age of a text.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Patrick Olivelle




From j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM  Thu Aug  7 20:07:35 2003
From: j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 13:07:35 -0700
Subject: Gold Coins
In-Reply-To: <p05100347bb58133bb311@[66.141.52.60]>
Message-ID: <161227073061.23782.15422010958642725640.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Patrick,
Oskar von Hin?ber (Der Beginn der Schrift und
fr?he Schriftlichkeit in Indien, Wiesbaden &
Stuttgart: Franz Steiner, 1989: 34) and Harry
Falk (Schrift im alten Indien: ein
Forschungsbericht mit Anmerkungen, T?bingen:
Gunter Narr Verlag, 1992: 304) have both used the
archeological evidence of certain types of coins
as a means to date Paa.nini (who in
A.s.taadhyaayii 5.2.120 refers to a specific use
of the term ruupya) at ca. 350 B.C.E. (O.v.H.) or
between 350 and 300 B.C.E. (H.F.). On this
argument to date Paa.nini and its common neglect
cf. Bronkhorst Asiatische Studien / Etudes
Asiatiques 46 (1992): 723f and my Three Myths in
Modern Paa.ninian Studies in Asiatische Studien /
Etudes Asiatiques 57 (2003): 162.
On your more general question on gold coins you
might consult Ellen Raven's Gupta Gold Coins
(Gonda Indological Studies, Groningen 1994) or
consult her directly at Leiden University.
The publications of Raven, von Hin?ber and Falk
contain several further references relevant to
your query.
Best regards,
Jan

--- Patrick Olivelle <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
wrote:
> Friends:
>
> Sorry if this reaches you twice through
> Indology and ScholarlyServices.
>
> I have a question regarding the earliest
> issuance of gold coins in
> India. My expertise in numismatics is
> non-existent, but I hope there
> will be some among you out there in cyberspace
> who can throw some
> light on this (preferably with some biblio
> references). I gather from
> some experts that the earliest extant cold
> coins in India (that is
> coins that have been found by archaeologists)
> goes back only to the
> Kushana period. Do you know of any that go
> further back?
>
> And are there any unambiguous references to
> gold coins in literature
> from an earlier period? The mere mention of
> hiranya or suvarna may
> not mean much, because the terms may simply
> refer to gold, gold
> ornaments, precious substances, etc. The
> Arthasastra does not seem to
> have any unambiguous reference to gold coins;
> in fact gold minting is
> not mentioned in its section on minting. Manu
> has several unambiguous
> references to gold coins (see 8.213, 361,
> possible  also 8.393 gold
> masaka) coins. If we can pin down the issue of
> gold coins in
> archaeology, then may be this could be one
> factor in determing the
> age of a text.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Patrick Olivelle


=====
Professor Dr. Jan E.M. Houben,
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes,
? la Sorbonne,
45-47, rue des ?coles,
75005 Paris -- France.
J_E_M_Houben at yahoo.com
J.E.M.Houben at let.leidenuniv.nl

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From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu Aug  7 19:19:00 2003
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 15:19:00 -0400
Subject: Moving...
Message-ID: <161227073058.23782.2948951016503797641.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This is to inform all that our office has moved, on August 1,  from 2
Divinity Avenue to

1 Bow Street,
Cambridge MA 02138,
USA

The phone nos. etc. remain the same (as given below).

Cheers, M. Witzel




From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu Aug  7 21:11:32 2003
From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 17:11:32 -0400
Subject: e-mail for McCrea
In-Reply-To: <000b01c35d24$0d5cd7a0$4c68a450@opasia.dk>
Message-ID: <161227073067.23782.416837778976521040.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have snail-mail and phone info (from a possibly-outdated Harvard web-page):

Lawrence J. McCrea
Visiting Lecturer of Sanskrit
1 Bow Street, Room 313
Tel: (617) 384-7774

I also have a possibly-outdated (2000) email for him at Chicago:

ljmccrea at midway.uchicago.edu

Hope this helps.
David Magier


>Could someone please give me the e-mail address for Lawrence J. McCrea?
>
>Sincerely,
>Ulrich T. Kragh




From drm8 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu Aug  7 21:25:10 2003
From: drm8 at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Rustin Mellins)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 17:25:10 -0400
Subject: Thanks & Hindu marriage mantras, please?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300bb55c0a19ebf@[64.222.50.89]>
Message-ID: <161227073069.23782.11283292809595003351.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Does anyone recall seeing a varttika "hastAn nirasane"? In the
"RAkAgama, GAgAbhaTTa cites such a varttika as justification of Nic
in the verbal form hastayate, but I have not succeeded in finding
this in the c denominatives chpater of the "SiddhAnta KaumudI."

                                Thanks,

                                 David Mellins
                                 Columbia University




From drm8 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu Aug  7 23:24:58 2003
From: drm8 at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Rustin Mellins)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 19:24:58 -0400
Subject: A Mysterious Varttika
In-Reply-To: <1060291510.3f32c3b66d384@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <161227073071.23782.10241063309380495905.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My apologies for neglecting to change the subject heading in my last
inquiry. Not very exciting wedding conversation, but anyway. Again:

Does anyone recall seeing a varttika "hastAn nirasane"? In the
"RAkAgama", GAgAbhaTTa cites such a varttika as justification of Nic
in the verbal form hastayate, but I have not succeeded in finding
this in the denominative chapter of the "SiddhAnta KaumudI."

                                Thanks,

                                 David Mellins
                                 Columbia University




From garzilli at ASIATICA.ORG  Thu Aug  7 20:22:09 2003
From: garzilli at ASIATICA.ORG (Enrica Garzilli)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 22:22:09 +0200
Subject: Gold Coins
Message-ID: <161227073063.23782.4062226035419727573.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

(Following Jan Houben) Dear Patrick Olivelle, since you know Italian, you
might want to read on the birth and the use of script in ancient India (and
on the scholarly debate on this problem), the excellent paper by Paolo
Daffin?, "Sull'uso della scrittura nell'India antica", in RSO, Vol. LXV,
Fasc. 1-2, 1992, pp. 13- 39.

Best,

eg
--
Enrica Garzilli
Uni. of Macerata, Italy
Editor-in-chief, IJTS & JSAWS
Asiatica Association www.asiatica.org
ph. + 39 02 76011 736  fax +39 02 700511864
*************************************
> --- Patrick Olivelle <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
> wrote:
> > Friends:
> >
> > Sorry if this reaches you twice through
> > Indology and ScholarlyServices.
> >
> > I have a question regarding the earliest
> > issuance of gold coins in
> > India. My expertise in numismatics is
> > non-existent, but I hope there
> > will be some among you out there in cyberspace
> > who can throw some
> > light on this (preferably with some biblio
> > references). I gather from
> > some experts that the earliest extant cold
> > coins in India (that is
> > coins that have been found by archaeologists)
> > goes back only to the
> > Kushana period. Do you know of any that go
> > further back?
> >
> > And are there any unambiguous references to
> > gold coins in literature
> > from an earlier period? The mere mention of
> > hiranya or suvarna may
> > not mean much, because the terms may simply
> > refer to gold, gold
> > ornaments, precious substances, etc. The
> > Arthasastra does not seem to
> > have any unambiguous reference to gold coins;
> > in fact gold minting is
> > not mentioned in its section on minting. Manu
> > has several unambiguous
> > references to gold coins (see 8.213, 361,
> > possible  also 8.393 gold
> > masaka) coins. If we can pin down the issue of
> > gold coins in
> > archaeology, then may be this could be one
> > factor in determing the
> > age of a text.
> >
> > Thank you for your help.
> >
> > Patrick Olivelle
>
>
> =====
> Professor Dr. Jan E.M. Houben,
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes,
> ? la Sorbonne,
> 45-47, rue des ?coles,
> 75005 Paris -- France.
> J_E_M_Houben at yahoo.com
> J.E.M.Houben at let.leidenuniv.nl
>
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From utkragh at HUM.KU.DK  Thu Aug  7 20:39:49 2003
From: utkragh at HUM.KU.DK (Ulrich T. Kragh)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 22:39:49 +0200
Subject: e-mail for McCrea
Message-ID: <161227073065.23782.20195783691725829.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Could someone please give me the e-mail address for Lawrence J. McCrea?

Sincerely,
Ulrich T. Kragh




From ljmccrea at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Aug  8 04:45:27 2003
From: ljmccrea at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Lawrence Mccrea)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 23:45:27 -0500
Subject: e-mail for McCrea
Message-ID: <161227073075.23782.11180926518993239880.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hi,

        My email, for the moment, is the address given above.  (I'll be moving
to Harvard in a couple of weeks, and will probably change my email at
that time, but I don't yet know what the address will be.)

Yours,
        Larry McCrea
        Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations
        University of Chicago

"Ulrich T. Kragh" wrote:
>
> Could someone please give me the e-mail address for Lawrence J. McCrea?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ulrich T. Kragh




From athr at LOC.GOV  Fri Aug  8 15:04:13 2003
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 03 11:04:13 -0400
Subject: Harry Falk said, "if the text is silent about the issuing agency,              gold coins in
Message-ID: <161227073080.23782.15429961150161531384.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Harry Falk said, "if the text is silent about the issuing agency, gold
coins in
India could date back to the times of Darius, i.e. about 500 BC."

I recently read Pierre Briant's "From Cyrus to Alexander : a history of
the Persian Empire," and he on several occasions says he thinks the
issues of coins by Darius and his successors were intermittent and
solely for the sake of paying Greek mercenaries.  Whether the latter
were active in India and the adjacent regions I would have no idea.

Allen


Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
of Congress.




From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP  Fri Aug  8 02:47:06 2003
From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo Tokunaga)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 03 11:47:06 +0900
Subject: Gold Coins
In-Reply-To: <p05100347bb58133bb311@[66.141.52.60]>
Message-ID: <161227073073.23782.4164033523520625569.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Patrick,

Coins (New Delhi, 1st ed. 1969; 3rd ed. 1988) by Parmeshwari Lal Gupta is undoubtedly one
of the best books on Ancient Indian Numismatics. In the beginning of Chap.2
he says that gold coin was not known to India before the Indo-Bactrians arrived in India between BC 2c-1c.
He notes on this passage that there was a news of having found a punch-mark gold coin recently but that
it was probably a forgery.

>coins that have been found by archaeologists) goes back only to the
>Kushana period. Do you know of any that go further back?

Similarly, Gupta says in Chap.4 that Viima (I?) Kadphises, for the first time, issued a large amount of
gold coins, influenced by the gold coins introduced from Rome.

Unless anything new was found recently, his account seems a reliable conclusion about gold coins
in Ancient India.

Muneo Tokunaga
Kyoto

(The words quoted are my own because I have only the Japanese translation.)



----
Muneo Tokunaga  mtokunag at bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp




From falk at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE  Fri Aug  8 12:08:26 2003
From: falk at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE (Harry Falk)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 03 14:08:26 +0200
Subject: Gold Coins
Message-ID: <161227073078.23782.10634956471806675789.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick Olivelle schrieb:
>
> Friends:
>
> Sorry if this reaches you twice through Indology and ScholarlyServices.
>
> I have a question regarding the earliest issuance of gold coins in
> India.
Dear Patrick,
if the text is silent about the issuing agency, gold coins in
India could
date back to the times of Darius, i.e. about 500 BC. There are
very few
gold coins issued by the Graeco-Bactrian and Bactro-Indian kings,
i.e.
from about 300 to 0. There are still less from the so-called
Scythian
dynasties in the 1st cent. BC. A perfect collection of all
pre-Vima
Kadphises gold issues is found in
Osmund Bopearchchi, The Miho Museum Coin Collection. Treasures of
ancient
Bactria. Miho Museum 2002: 222-224 with the plates on pp. 70-73.
If truely Indian issues are meant, then Vima Kadphises and the
following
Kushan kings plus Gupta kings should be meant, i.e. a starting
date
from about 90 to 100 AD.
All the best,
Harry




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Sat Aug  9 14:21:58 2003
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 03 09:21:58 -0500
Subject: Gold Coins
In-Reply-To: <3F3392BA.8A1963F8@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <161227073082.23782.14037834101973945453.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks to all who replied to my query on gold coins in India. They
were VERY helpful. It appears that no "significant" gold currency
existed in India prior to Vima Kaphises and the subsequent Kushan
kings -- so the earliest about 90-100 CE. This is the view of Harry
Falk and Muneo Tokunaga [who also cites the view of P. L. Gupta in
his "Coins", Ch. 4]. This should be helpful to text scholars who are
in search of something to hang our chronological hats on! Thanks
again.

Patrick




From karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL  Sat Aug  9 18:41:36 2003
From: karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 03 20:41:36 +0200
Subject: marriage mantras
In-Reply-To: <p05100304bb5ab29e9219@[66.136.201.122]>
Message-ID: <161227073085.23782.7545797654325002139.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks to all who kindly replied to my query re: marriage mantras,


Artur K.




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From drdj at UMICH.EDU  Mon Aug 11 14:29:44 2003
From: drdj at UMICH.EDU (Donald R. Davis, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 03 10:29:44 -0400
Subject: atha
Message-ID: <161227073089.23782.13712092972379128492.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Could someone kindly provide a reference for an article, I believe authored
by Minoru Hara, dealing with "atha" at the beginning of various sutra
texts?  Many thanks.

Donald R. Davis, Jr.
Dept of Asian Languages & Cultures
University of Michigan




From acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Aug 11 06:40:59 2003
From: acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM (diwakar acharya)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 03 12:25:59 +0545
Subject: A Mysterious Varttika
Message-ID: <161227073087.23782.16896327275360447704.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Does anyone recall seeing a varttika "hastAn nirasane"? In the
>"RAkAgama", GAgAbhaTTa cites such a varttika as justification of Nic
>in the verbal form hastayate, but I have not succeeded in finding
>this in the denominative chapter of the "SiddhAnta KaumudI."


Dear David,

It is a ga.nasuutra: .ni"n a"ngaan nirasane restated. You may find the
suutra in curaadi somewhere.

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From drm8 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Mon Aug 11 16:35:37 2003
From: drm8 at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Rustin Mellins)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 03 12:35:37 -0400
Subject: None
Message-ID: <161227073091.23782.7854680370890959504.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Diwakar,

Thanks for your help in locating this. I don't have a manuscript
right now, but the printed edition reads "v.arttikA.n.nic." Hence,
in my ignorance, I was misled.

                               David




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Wed Aug 13 09:24:14 2003
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 03 04:24:14 -0500
Subject: Query
Message-ID: <161227073093.23782.7525924619731354680.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:

A colleague of my in Persian literature has a question regarding a
Persian translation of a Sanskrit work -- actually the 16th section
of a work. The Persian is named "Mahpareh", and it was translated not
directly from Sanskrit but from an English translation done one Bean
[the spelling is uncertain] in 1898. The Persian translates something
like "the essence of the ocean of time." Here is a brief synopsis
given by my colleague:

Here is a sort of the synopsis of this "love" story with all of my
misspellings of names:  Suryakanta is a king who after seeing a
portrait of Rasakusha decides to find her and finally arrives at her
court.  As a part of some sort of ceremony, he sends her some story
every day and receives an answer.  After the seventh day, the king
realizes that he can no longer console himself with the portrait, and
that he has a long way to go to attain his true love which is
manifested in the princess. On the 19th day, the king throws the
portrait away and does not look at it until next day.  On the same
day Rasakusha tells him the story of "Krita-Krita."

Any guesses? Thanks.

Patrick




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Aug 13 10:09:12 2003
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 03 11:09:12 +0100
Subject: Query
In-Reply-To: <p05100330bb5fb4318abc@[66.136.201.122]>
Message-ID: <161227073095.23782.14336353039249547090.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

"Maah-paar" would mean a part (paar) of the moon (maah), or Candrakalaa.
Could it be that?

Dominik


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Patrick Olivelle wrote:

> Friends:
>
> A colleague of my in Persian literature has a question regarding a
> Persian translation of a Sanskrit work -- actually the 16th section
> of a work. The Persian is named "Mahpareh", and it was translated not
> directly from Sanskrit but from an English translation done one Bean
> [the spelling is uncertain] in 1898. The Persian translates something
> like "the essence of the ocean of time." Here is a brief synopsis
> given by my colleague:
>
> Here is a sort of the synopsis of this "love" story with all of my
> misspellings of names:  Suryakanta is a king who after seeing a
> portrait of Rasakusha decides to find her and finally arrives at her
> court.  As a part of some sort of ceremony, he sends her some story
> every day and receives an answer.  After the seventh day, the king
> realizes that he can no longer console himself with the portrait, and
> that he has a long way to go to attain his true love which is
> manifested in the princess. On the 19th day, the king throws the
> portrait away and does not look at it until next day.  On the same
> day Rasakusha tells him the story of "Krita-Krita."
>
> Any guesses? Thanks.
>
> Patrick
>




From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed Aug 13 15:11:31 2003
From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 03 11:11:31 -0400
Subject: Query
In-Reply-To: <p05100330bb5fb4318abc@[66.136.201.122]>
Message-ID: <161227073097.23782.18329351273077760813.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

In case the bibliographic details are of interest, here is the
citation for a 1991 Teheran edition, which appears to be the item in
question, which is held by Harvard. (This is their cataloging record
from RLIN).  David Magier

-----
(Balatapa rakta cacini. Persian)
   Mahparah : dastanha-yi ashiqi-i Hindu / tarjamah az matni
  Sanskiriti F. V. Bayn ; tarjamah az Ingilisi-i Sadiq Chubak. -- Tihran
  : Nilufar, 1991.
   112 p. ; 22 cm.

   Translation of: Balatapa rakta cacini. Based on: A digit of the moon.
-------

At 4:24 AM -0500 8/13/03, Patrick Olivelle wrote:
>Friends:
>
>A colleague of my in Persian literature has a question regarding a
>Persian translation of a Sanskrit work -- actually the 16th section
>of a work. The Persian is named "Mahpareh", and it was translated not
>directly from Sanskrit but from an English translation done one Bean
>[the spelling is uncertain] in 1898. The Persian translates something
>like "the essence of the ocean of time." Here is a brief synopsis
>given by my colleague:
>
>Here is a sort of the synopsis of this "love" story with all of my
>misspellings of names:  Suryakanta is a king who after seeing a
>portrait of Rasakusha decides to find her and finally arrives at her
>court.  As a part of some sort of ceremony, he sends her some story
>every day and receives an answer.  After the seventh day, the king
>realizes that he can no longer console himself with the portrait, and
>that he has a long way to go to attain his true love which is
>manifested in the princess. On the 19th day, the king throws the
>portrait away and does not look at it until next day.  On the same
>day Rasakusha tells him the story of "Krita-Krita."
>
>Any guesses? Thanks.
>
>Patrick




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Wed Aug 13 19:19:23 2003
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 03 12:19:23 -0700
Subject: an offshoot from Patrick's question
In-Reply-To: <p05100330bb5fb4318abc@[66.136.201.122]>
Message-ID: <161227073101.23782.14986686212308260913.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick's question leads me to another, based on the content of the
story he cites:

are there any good studies of the use of 'portraits' in pre-Muslim
India? There is a Buddhist story (Udaya Jataka) in which a prince,
who does not want to marry, creates a golden image, and tells his
parents (who want him to marry and ascend the throne) that if they
find a woman as lovely as the image, he will marry her. (The kicker
is that they can't find anyone after sending the image all over
India, but they decide that his half-sister is even more lovely than
the image; he ends up marrying her, but they remain celibate etc etc.
etc.).

There should, I expect, be parallel uses of portraiture, but I'm
drawing a blank (maybe due to the heat--life in Southern California
can be rough ;-)

thanks, jonathan
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Aug 13 18:24:56 2003
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 03 14:24:56 -0400
Subject: Query (Digit of the Moon)
Message-ID: <161227073099.23782.131713064012468985.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

A Digit of the Moon was composed by F. W. (Francis William) Bain,
1863-1940, a teacher in India, and was not as he at first pretended a
translation.  He said the earlier ones in his series of imitations of
the Kathasaritsagara were translations from a ms left him by a pandit
who was grateful for Bain's nursing him during his fatal illness in the
Poona Plague.  In the introduction to one of the later ones he admitted
his use of pseudonomy.  This and the rest of his life is discussed in
Keshav Mutalik, "Francis William Bain," Bombay: University of Bombay,
1963.  His romances were apparently enormously popular in England, the
U.S., and India, to judge from the large numbe of editions and the
frequency ones encounters them in used book shops.  I think they are
marvelous.

Allen


Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
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Asian Division
Library of Congress
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From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Thu Aug 14 11:07:13 2003
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 03 12:07:13 +0100
Subject: Query (Digit of the Moon)
In-Reply-To: <sf3a4a1c.010@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227073105.23782.16011687358021543911.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Ah!  I suddenly realized this must be a Bain book, just before reading
your note, Allen.

I discovered Bain's little books about 20 years ago, and read them with
delight (I have half a dozen or more).  I took at face value what he said
about the Pandit's manuscript and thought the whole thing marvellous.  It
was disappointing to discover, some years later, that they were "pious
frauds".  Too good to be true, really.  A British version of what a
Sanskrit story would be like if it were done properly.  It's interesting
to reflect on why these stories work so well for the modern reader.  I
think the intense romantic feel has a lot to do with it.

Best,
Dominik


--
Email processed on Mondays and Thursdays.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Allen W Thrasher wrote:

> A Digit of the Moon was composed by F. W. (Francis William) Bain,
> 1863-1940, a teacher in India, and was not as he at first pretended a
> translation.  He said the earlier ones in his series of imitations of
> the Kathasaritsagara were translations from a ms left him by a pandit
> who was grateful for Bain's nursing him during his fatal illness in the
> Poona Plague.  In the introduction to one of the later ones he admitted
> his use of pseudonomy.  This and the rest of his life is discussed in
> Keshav Mutalik, "Francis William Bain," Bombay: University of Bombay,
> 1963.  His romances were apparently enormously popular in England, the
> U.S., and India, to judge from the large numbe of editions and the
> frequency ones encounters them in used book shops.  I think they are
> marvelous.
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
> Senior Reference Librarian
> Southern Asia Section
> Asian Division
> Library of Congress
> Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732
> fax 202-707-1724
> athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
> of Congress.
>




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Aug 14 16:10:07 2003
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 03 12:10:07 -0400
Subject: Posting: Library of Congress on Pakistan, Bangladesh,              and South Asian Islam
Message-ID: <161227073107.23782.3996741473343683651.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The following position, for a reference librarian dealing with Pakistan,
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This announcement may be forwarded.

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From Klaus.Karttunen at HELSINKI.FI  Thu Aug 14 09:14:27 2003
From: Klaus.Karttunen at HELSINKI.FI (Klaus Karttunen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 03 12:14:27 +0300
Subject: an offshoot from Patrick's question
Message-ID: <161227073103.23782.13550400446570832804.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Jonathan Silk wrote:
> 
> Patrick's question leads me to another, based on the content of the
> story he cites:
> 
> are there any good studies of the use of 'portraits' in pre-Muslim
> India? 
See Virginia Saunders, ?Portrait Painting as a Dramatic Device in
Sanskrit Plays?, JAOS 39, 1919, 299-302. I have not the article at hand,
but the use of pictures causing people to fall in love is found both in
dramas and in narrative literature (e.g. Kathasaritsagara). In the play
Ratnavali the picture reveals the secret affair of the king to his head queen.

Regards
Klaus
-- 
Klaus Karttunen, Ph.D.
Docent of Indology and Classical Ethnography
Institute of Asian and African Studies
PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B), 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
phone 358-0-19122188, fax 358-0-19122094




From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu Aug 14 16:33:29 2003
From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 03 12:33:29 -0400
Subject: Posting: Library of Congress on Pakistan, Bangladesh,              and South Asian Islam
In-Reply-To: <sf3b7bfe.061@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227073110.23782.8567156349944983639.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Allen,
looks like the position closed three days ago!
David

>The following position, for a reference librarian dealing with Pakistan,
>Bangladesh, and the Islamic culture of South Asia, has been posted and
>will close on July 11.  If further information is needed, please contact
>the addresses below,  not the poster (Allen Thrasher) or forwarder.
>
>This announcement may be forwarded.
>
>Allen Thrasher
>Asian Division
>Library of Congress
>
>
>  Vacancy AnnouncementUSAJOBS Control No. TX7743&nbspFC
>http://www.USAJOBS.opm.gov, the U. S. Government's official source of
>job information, provides this information to the public at no cost.
>
>
>VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT
>
>Agency Name: Library of Congress
>
>
>
>Vacancy Announcement Number: 030130
>
>
>
>Apply Online: http://www.avuedigitalservices.com/loc/applicant.html
>
>
>
>Opening Date: 06/10/2003
>
>
>
>Closing Date: 07/11/2003
>
>
>
>Area of Consideration: US citizens - non-citizens, providing that
>
>immigration law and other legal requirements are met.
>
>
>
>Position Title, Series, Grade: Librarian, GS-1410-09
>
>
>
>Promotion Potential: 13
>
>
>
>Salary: $40,044.00 - $52,058.00 Annual
>
>
>
>Duty Location(s): Washington, DC
>
>
>
>Work Schedule: Full Time
>
>
>
>Time Limit: Permanent - No time limit
>
>
>
>Notes: This position requires a reading and speaking knowledge of Urdu.
>
>
>
>The Library of Congress is the national library of the  United States
>and
>is part of the Legislative Branch of the Federal government. As such,
>all
>positions are in the excepted service.
>
>
>
>The salary range indicated reflects the locality pay adjustment for the
>
>Washington, D.C. Metropolitan area.
>
>
>
>This position is located in the Asian Division, Area Studies Collections
>
>Directorate, Library Services.
>
>
>
>Number of Vacancies: One
>
>
>
>This is a non-supervisory, bargaining unit position.
>
>
>
>
>
>The incumbent of this position will work a fixed (8:30 am - 5:00 pm)
>work
>schedule.   Some weekend or evening work assignments may be required.
>
>
>
>The position description number for this position is 12535.
>
>
>
>RELOCATION EXPENSES ARE NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THE PERSONS SELECTED UNDER
>THIS
>VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT.
>
>
>
>The Library reserves the right to fill a lesser or greater number of
>
>vacancies indicated during the life of this vacancy announcement.
>
>
>
>Applicants who are referred for interview will be required to submit a
>
>completed OF-306, Declaration for Federal Employment.
>
>
>
>Initial appointments, permanent or indefinite, to the Library of
>Congress
>require completion of a one-year probationary period.
>
>
>
>This agency provides reasonable accommodations to applicants with
>
>disabilities. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the
>
>application and hiring process, please notify this agency. The decision
>on
>granting reasonable accommodations will be made on a case-by-case basis.
>
>
>
>Appointment/retention is subject to a favorable evaluation of an
>
>appropriate personnel security/suitability investigation.
>
>
>
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>
>PROCEDURES AND MUST SUBMIT AN APPROPRIATE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY
>WHEN
>APPLYING FOR THIS POSITION. FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT THE SELECTIVE
>
>PLACEMENT PROGRAM COORDINATOR AT (202) 707-6362 (VOICE or TTY) OR EMAIL
>
>spp at loc.gov.
>
>
>
>HOW TO APPLY: To be considered for this vacancy, applicants may apply
>
>online at www.loc.gov or complete and submit an applicant job kit that
>
>includes the completion of an applicant questionnaire using a scannable
>
>form. The online process allows applicants to prepare an application
>that
>can be printed for personal use and saved and edited (if necessary) on
>the
>website for future use. The online application contains all of the data
>
>elements/fields that are required for submission of an application for
>
>federal employment. In order to use this online application system
>
>applicants must use a computer that is equipped with either Netscape 4.7
>
>or Internet Explorer 5.0  Attempting to complete the online application
>
>with an incompatible browser could result in the submission of an
>
>incomplete application. If you experience difficulties, please direct
>all
>inquiries to jobhelp at loc.gov. The applicant job kit requires completion
>of
>a scannable form. You can request a copy of the applicant job kit and
>
>scannable form by contacting the Employment Office at the address listed
>
>below (a facsimile of the scannable form cannot be accepted nor will
>hard
>copy applications be accepted without a completed scannable form): The
>
>Library of Congress Employment Office - Staffing/Recruitment Group 101
>
>Independence Avenue, SE, LM-107 Washington, D.C. 20540-2295 (202)
>707-5627
>
>
>
>
>Please be advised that due to security concerns on Capitol Hill, mail
>
>delivery from the United States Postal Service is experiencing
>significant
>delays. As a result, you are strongly encouraged to apply online. If you
>
>choose to submit a hard-copy application, we recommend that you send it
>
>via Fed-Ex or United Parcel Service (UPS) and that you allow at least 72
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>hours for delivery, even for overnight packages.  You also have the
>option
>of hand delivery of your application, Monday through Friday from 8:30 am
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>until 4:30 p.m. to the Library of Congress Employment Office.
>
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>
>will be required at the time of interview:
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>
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>applicable;
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>SF-50
>noting your current position,  grade level, duty location, and salary
>
>level;
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>
>requirements listed in the vacancy announcement: a legible copy of your
>
>college transcripts.
>
>
>
>For any additional information please contact a Human Resources
>Assistant
>at the number listed above.
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>
>
>THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER. WOMEN,
>
>MINORITIES AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES WHO MEET ELIGIBILITY
>REQUIREMENTS
>ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO APPLY.
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>Contact Phone: 202-707-5627
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>
>DUTIES:
>
>
>
>Reviews a variety of brochures, catalogs, journals, and other sources of
>
>items for possible acquisition in order to develop collections in areas
>of
>subject or geographic responsibility.  Assists senior reference staff in
>
>determining the quality and usefulness of collection materials. Assists
>in
>developing strategies for the organization, storage, preservation, and
>
>service of materials. Orients users and explains procedures and
>
>regulations governing use and handling of materials in the collection.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Provides reference and instructional services for individual
>
>researchers and groups. Determines needs from client interviews in
>person,
>over the telephone, or from written requests. Provides in-person and
>
>telephone reference service in a reading room.
>
>
>
>Responds orally or in writing to inquiries related to assigned field of
>
>responsibility. Provides guidance and access to information resources,
>
>both inside the library and beyond the library, through databases,
>
>telecommunications networks, and cooperative arrangements.  Answers
>
>questions directly, or guides patrons to resources.
>
>
>
>Coordinates the acquisition of items through the appropriate purchasing
>
>channels.  Consults acquisition policies to determine whether items are
>
>appropriate for purchase, copyright claim, exchange, gift, or other type
>
>of acquisition.  Provides proper purchasing information and correct
>
>bibliographic identification to dealers, subscription agents, vendors,
>
>overseas offices, exchange partners, etc. Reviews and approves invoices
>
>for payment for all formats of material.
>
>
>
>Prepares research guides and finding aids on topics of client interest.
>
>Assists senior librarians in revising or updating research materials.
>
>Identifies foreign and international print and electronic resources in a
>
>field of specialty to address user needs.  Prepares and updates standard
>
>guides to specialized collections and resources.
>
>
>
>EVALUATION OF TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE:
>
>
>
>Applicants must have had progressively responsible experience and
>training
>sufficient in scope and quality to furnish them with an acceptable level
>
>of the following knowledge, skills, and abilities to perform the duties
>of
>the position without more than normal supervision.:
>
>
>
>Ability to communicate effectively.
>
>
>
>Knowledge of the nations and cultures of South Asia.
>
>
>
>Knowledge of research materials and collections required for the study
>of
>Pakistan, Bangladesh, and the Islamic culture of South Asia
>
>
>
>Ability to provide reference or information services.
>
>
>
>Knowledge of information technology.
>
>
>
>Ability to communicate in Urdu and English.
>
>
>
>BASIS OF RATING:
>
>
>
>You will be rated based on your qualifications for this position as
>
>evidenced by the education, experience and training you report relative
>to
>this position which shows that you possess the knowledges, skills and
>
>abilities required. Paid or unpaid experience will be considered.




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Aug 14 18:32:40 2003
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 03 14:32:40 -0400
Subject: Posting: Library of Congress on Pakistan,              Bangladesh,and South Asian Islam
Message-ID: <161227073112.23782.15047474211707512649.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

My apologies to all.  I sent this out to someone who was interested and
forgot about the earlier blind carbons.

Allen

>>> magier at COLUMBIA.EDU 08/14/03 12:33PM >>>
Allen,
looks like the position closed three days ago!
David

>The following position, for a reference librarian dealing with
Pakistan,
>Bangladesh, and the Islamic culture of South Asia, has been posted and
>will close on July 11.  If further information is needed, please
contact
>the addresses below,  not the poster (Allen Thrasher) or forwarder.
>
>This announcement may be forwarded.
>
>Allen Thrasher
>Asian Division
>Library of Congress
>
>
>  Vacancy AnnouncementUSAJOBS Control No. TX7743&nbspFC
>http://www.USAJOBS.opm.gov, the U. S. Government's official source of
>job information, provides this information to the public at no cost.
>
>
>VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT
>
>Agency Name: Library of Congress
>
>
>
>Vacancy Announcement Number: 030130
>
>
>
>Apply Online: http://www.avuedigitalservices.com/loc/applicant.html
>
>
>
>Opening Date: 06/10/2003
>
>
>
>Closing Date: 07/11/2003
>
>
>
>Area of Consideration: US citizens - non-citizens, providing that
>
>immigration law and other legal requirements are met.
>
>
>
>Position Title, Series, Grade: Librarian, GS-1410-09
>
>
>
>Promotion Potential: 13
>
>
>
>Salary: $40,044.00 - $52,058.00 Annual
>
>
>
>Duty Location(s): Washington, DC
>
>
>
>Work Schedule: Full Time
>
>
>
>Time Limit: Permanent - No time limit
>
>
>
>Notes: This position requires a reading and speaking knowledge of Urdu.
>
>
>
>The Library of Congress is the national library of the  United States
>and
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From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Aug 14 18:34:35 2003
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 03 14:34:35 -0400
Subject: APOLOGIES RE: Posting: Library of Congress on Pakistan,              Bangladesh, and South Asian Islam
Message-ID: <161227073115.23782.6241143101486948661.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues:

Please pardon this posting and disregard it.  I sent it out to someone
who was interested, with a warning that it was closed and will probably
not be reopened, and forgot about the various blind carbonings I had
made.

Allen Thrasher

Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
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Asian Division
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Jefferson Building 150
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Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
of Congress.




From ssandahl at EAGLE.CA  Sat Aug 16 00:35:28 2003
From: ssandahl at EAGLE.CA (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 03 20:35:28 -0400
Subject: couldyouhelp?
In-Reply-To: <E19nkR4-0007qM-00@smtp.net4india.com>
Message-ID: <161227073119.23782.6283720365235317063.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dr.  Venkat Rao,
To answer your question nr. 2 - yes there are two more annotated English
translations of the Citrasutra, one  by C. Sivaramamurti: Chitrasutra of the
Vishnudharmottara   New Delhi : Kanak, 1978. and the other by Priyabala
Shah: Shri Vishnudharmottara, a text of ancient Indian arts, Ahmedabad
1990?.  Dr. Shah has also edited the third khanda (Gaekwad's Oriental series
no. 130) 1994. There is a Hindi translation by P. Dvivedi and Bindu Dube,
Varanasi : Kala Prakasana, 1997.

The University of Toronto Library has 13 titles under
Visnudharmottarapurana.
Stella Sandahl



 on 15/08/03 15:02, venkat at ciefl.ac.in at venkat at CIEFL.AC.IN wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I would be grateful if someone could help me with the following information:
>
> 1)      I understand that Vishnu Dharmottara, a 5th century Purana (?), is
> in three parts.  Is there a &#8220;standard&#8221; edition of these volumes?
> I have
> come across English translations of either parts of or only the last part
> (Chitrasutra) of the Purana?  I would be keen to know whether the entire
> text is available in translation.
>
> 2)      Is there any extended critical work (apart from Stella
> Kramrisch&#8217;s
> introduction) on the Chitrasutra in English?
>
> 3)      Could some one suggest me what kind of readings are available on the
> Sutra genre?  Is Louis Renou&#8217;s &#8220;Sur le genre du sutra dan la
> literature
> Sanskrite&#8221; available in English translation?
>
>
> Let me acknowledge my gratitude to you in advance for your help.
>
> D. Venkat Rao
> School of Critical Humanities
> Central Institute of English and Foreign Languages
> Hyderabad
> India 500007
>




From venkat at CIEFL.AC.IN  Fri Aug 15 19:02:51 2003
From: venkat at CIEFL.AC.IN (venkat@ciefl.ac.in)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 03 00:32:51 +0530
Subject: couldyouhelp?
Message-ID: <161227073117.23782.9232345032091298256.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

I would be grateful if someone could help me with the following information:

1)      I understand that Vishnu Dharmottara, a 5th century Purana (?), is
in three parts.  Is there a &#8220;standard&#8221; edition of these volumes?  I have
come across English translations of either parts of or only the last part
(Chitrasutra) of the Purana?  I would be keen to know whether the entire
text is available in translation.

2)      Is there any extended critical work (apart from Stella Kramrisch&#8217;s
introduction) on the Chitrasutra in English?

3)      Could some one suggest me what kind of readings are available on the
Sutra genre?  Is Louis Renou&#8217;s &#8220;Sur le genre du sutra dan la literature
Sanskrite&#8221; available in English translation?


Let me acknowledge my gratitude to you in advance for your help.

D. Venkat Rao
School of Critical Humanities
Central Institute of English and Foreign Languages
Hyderabad
India 500007




From mitraara at WORLDNET.ATT.NET  Sat Aug 16 17:31:25 2003
From: mitraara at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (Mitra Ara)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 03 10:31:25 -0700
Subject: Query
Message-ID: <161227073121.23782.5393989226882860278.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

"M?hp?reh" literally means: a piece (p?reh) of the moon (m?h).   It is a
Persian expression meaning the beauty, belle.



In Persian literature m?h (moon) is not only a symbol of beauty but also of
time and cycle, "the ocean of time."



Perhaps, Chandra-kal? (a digit of the moon) often personified as a beautiful
female divinity.



Mitra Ara




> Friends:
>
> A colleague of my in Persian literature has a question regarding a
> Persian translation of a Sanskrit work -- actually the 16th section
> of a work. The Persian is named "Mahpareh", and it was translated not
> directly from Sanskrit but from an English translation done one Bean
> [the spelling is uncertain] in 1898. The Persian translates something
> like "the essence of the ocean of time." Here is a brief synopsis
> given by my colleague:
>
> Here is a sort of the synopsis of this "love" story with all of my
> misspellings of names:  Suryakanta is a king who after seeing a
> portrait of Rasakusha decides to find her and finally arrives at her
> court.  As a part of some sort of ceremony, he sends her some story
> every day and receives an answer.  After the seventh day, the king
> realizes that he can no longer console himself with the portrait, and
> that he has a long way to go to attain his true love which is
> manifested in the princess. On the 19th day, the king throws the
> portrait away and does not look at it until next day.  On the same
> day Rasakusha tells him the story of "Krita-Krita."
>
> Any guesses? Thanks.
>
> Patrick
>




From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO  Mon Aug 18 08:57:31 2003
From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 03 10:57:31 +0200
Subject: Kenneth Zysk
Message-ID: <161227073123.23782.600450268406366284.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear members of the list,

Would any of you happen to have the snail and e-mail address, phone
numbers etc for Kenneth Zysk at the University of Copenhagen?

Best regards,

Lars Martin Fosse

From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail: lmfosse at online.no
DO NOT OPEN UNEXPECTED ATTACHMENTS.
MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS BEING ABUSED BY
MALICIOUS OPERATORS.




From Francois.Obrist at BCU.UNIL.CH  Mon Aug 18 09:58:57 2003
From: Francois.Obrist at BCU.UNIL.CH (Francois Obrist)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 03 11:58:57 +0200
Subject: Kenneth Zysk
In-Reply-To: <000001c36566$c30b19a0$81414382@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227073126.23782.3965632353208253685.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Kenneth G. Zysk
Associate Professor
Head of Indology Section
Department of Asian Studies
University of Copenhagen
Leifsgade 33,5
DK-2300 Copenhagen S
Denmark

phone: +45/3532-8832
fax:   +45/3532-8832

email: zysk at hum.ku.dk

At 10:57 18/08/03 +0200, you wrote:
>Kenneth Zysk

--------------------------------------------
Francois Obrist
Bibliotheque cantonale et universitaire (BCU)
Section de langues et civilisations orientales
CH-1015 Lausanne
email: Francois.Obrist at bcu.unil.ch
tel. : +41 21 692 4836
Fax : +41 21 692 4845




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Tue Aug 19 16:17:00 2003
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 03 09:17:00 -0700
Subject: please check for viruses
In-Reply-To: <3F3B52F2.23C99F8A@Helsinki.Fi>
Message-ID: <161227073128.23782.5279557722872938305.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Alert:

It appears from my morning mail that a number of our colleagues,
apparently all in Europe, have computers infected with a virus which
sends messages with random subject lines, and (attempts to) attach
files.

Please check.

thanks, jonathan
--
Jonathan Silk
Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From ssandahl at EAGLE.CA  Tue Aug 19 23:42:47 2003
From: ssandahl at EAGLE.CA (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 03 19:42:47 -0400
Subject: please check for viruses
In-Reply-To: <p05111a07bb67fd9d7ac2@[169.232.225.240]>
Message-ID: <161227073133.23782.977584905810698919.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I got twenty of these this morning! it is very weird. So it also affects
Canada
Stella Sandahl
on 19/08/03 12:17, Jonathan Silk at silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU wrote:

> Alert:
>
> It appears from my morning mail that a number of our colleagues,
> apparently all in Europe, have computers infected with a virus which
> sends messages with random subject lines, and (attempts to) attach
> files.
>
> Please check.
>
> thanks, jonathan
> --
> Jonathan Silk
> Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures
> Center for Buddhist Studies
> UCLA
> 290 Royce Hall
> Box 951540
> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
> phone: (310)206-8235
> fax:  (310)825-8808
> silk at humnet.ucla.edu
>




From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO  Tue Aug 19 20:12:33 2003
From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 03 22:12:33 +0200
Subject: Paper by H. H. Hock
Message-ID: <161227073131.23782.7804441351128611413.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear members of the list,

I wonder if some kind soul could help me get hold of the following paper
by Hock:

Hock, H. H. 1985. Reduced-clause and clause-union absolutives and
participles in Vedic Prose. VIIth South Asian Languages Analysis
Roundtable. Ann Arbor, Michigan

It is not at the university library in Oslo (as far as I have been able
to ascertain), therefore this imposition on your patience.

Best regards,

Lars Martin Fosse

From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail: lmfosse at online.no
DO NOT OPEN UNEXPECTED ATTACHMENTS.
MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS BEING ABUSED BY
MALICIOUS OPERATORS.




From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Wed Aug 20 06:59:58 2003
From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 03 23:59:58 -0700
Subject: virus update
Message-ID: <161227073136.23782.2613155619400773905.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends,

The virus plaguing us iscalled Sobig.f.

As we all know, knowing the name of something gives you control over it, no?

Please see, for considerable detail:

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100561.htm

This site includes *removal instructions* for those of you
unfortunate enough not to use Macs :-)

cheers, jonathan

--
Jonathan Silk
Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
UCLA
290 Royce Hall
Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
silk at humnet.ucla.edu




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Wed Aug 20 12:30:27 2003
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 03 07:30:27 -0500
Subject: SV: please check for viruses
In-Reply-To: <3F4329BB.6020800@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <161227073145.23782.1724510973541235424.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends: the only way to avoid viruses is to dump Windows/PC and go
the virtuous way and buy a MAC!! We are so small no virus bothers to
take us seriously!

Patrick




From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO  Wed Aug 20 07:27:44 2003
From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 03 09:27:44 +0200
Subject: SV: please check for viruses
In-Reply-To: <BB682E37.52B4%ssandahl@eagle.ca>
Message-ID: <161227073139.23782.12240203614142772379.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The mail systems at the University of Oslo were more or less down and
out yesterday due to virus attack. I don't know if they are back up
today, but in this country, the attack has been quite severe in many
places. The UiO has taken steps to deal with the problem.

Lars Martin Fosse

From:
Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114,
0674 Oslo - Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax:  +47 850 21 250
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
E-mail: lmfosse at online.no 
DO NOT OPEN UNEXPECTED ATTACHMENTS. 
MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS BEING ABUSED BY 
MALICIOUS OPERATORS.


> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] P? vegne av 
> Stella Sandahl
> Sendt: 20. august 2003 01:43
> Til: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Emne: Re: please check for viruses
> Viktighet: H?y
> 
> 
> I got twenty of these this morning! it is very weird. So it 
> also affects Canada Stella Sandahl on 19/08/03 12:17, 
> Jonathan Silk at silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU wrote:
> 
> > Alert:
> >
> > It appears from my morning mail that a number of our colleagues, 
> > apparently all in Europe, have computers infected with a 
> virus which 
> > sends messages with random subject lines, and (attempts to) attach 
> > files.
> >
> > Please check.
> >
> > thanks, jonathan
> > --
> > Jonathan Silk
> > Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures
> > Center for Buddhist Studies
> > UCLA
> > 290 Royce Hall
> > Box 951540
> > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
> > phone: (310)206-8235
> > fax:  (310)825-8808
> > silk at humnet.ucla.edu
> >
> 
> 




From birgit.kellner at UNIVIE.AC.AT  Wed Aug 20 07:56:43 2003
From: birgit.kellner at UNIVIE.AC.AT (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 03 09:56:43 +0200
Subject: SV: please check for viruses
In-Reply-To: <000c01c366ec$8d73d700$fdbd4382@Winston>
Message-ID: <161227073142.23782.11935557390626147481.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Lars Martin Fosse wrote:

>The mail systems at the University of Oslo were more or less down and
>out yesterday due to virus attack. I don't know if they are back up
>today, but in this country, the attack has been quite severe in many
>places. The UiO has taken steps to deal with the problem.
>
>Lars Martin Fosse
>
>
>
In addition, may I humbly suggest that if the degree of virus-infection
seems to be country-specific, this is just a coincidence. Viruses know
no geographical borders, and the Internet is not really separated into
"countries", technology-wise.

This virus operates by gathering e-mail-addresses stored in various
folders on the infected system. It then randomly mails itself to such
addresses. Hence, if some countries seem not to have been targeted yet
this at best means that noone sends e-mails to people with addresses
registered in these countries - hence the virus finds no addresses from
these countries in infected systems :-)

The virus also spreads through Windows network shares, so be careful if
you work in a local Windows network.

As such, this particular virus is not as vicious as previous worms who
would pick not only addresses, but also subject lines for their mail
messages from the local system, making it much more difficult to know,
as a recipient, whether a message contains a virus or not. We'v had
cases where people got virus messages with Indology subject-lines and
opened them, trustingly, of course ...

Not with this virus, though. It always has one of the following
subject-lines and can therefore be identified quite easily:

Re: That movie
Re: Wicked screensaver
Re: Your application
Re: Approved
Re: Re: My details
Re: Details
Your details
Thank you!

Best regards,

Birgit Kellner




From birgit.kellner at UNIVIE.AC.AT  Wed Aug 20 13:00:16 2003
From: birgit.kellner at UNIVIE.AC.AT (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 03 15:00:16 +0200
Subject: SV: please check for viruses
In-Reply-To: <p05100347bb691a309728@[66.141.42.229]>
Message-ID: <161227073147.23782.16633505671529052069.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick Olivelle wrote:

> Friends: the only way to avoid viruses is to dump Windows/PC and go
> the virtuous way and buy a MAC!! We are so small no virus bothers to
> take us seriously!
>
> Patrick

Ahem, it's not really necessary to dump PCs; one might also just install
Linux on them. Yet Another Operating System Ignored by Viruses.

And with this remark, perhaps we could close this thread. All the
relevant information about the virus has been posted, so let's move on
to Manu or something else more indologically challenging :-)

Best regards,

Birgit Kellner




From JFStaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU  Thu Aug 21 17:27:59 2003
From: JFStaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (Frits Staal)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 03 10:27:59 -0700
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya              Braahma.na
In-Reply-To: <BB6A6086.5B9B%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227073152.23782.1600669000455104631.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Charles Malamoud might know - is he on our list? I have no E-mail. Does
someone?
greetings and thanks,
Frits

At 11:41 AM 8/21/03 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear Indologists,
>
>On the first page of his Upodghaata to the second volume of the 1921 Mysore
>devanaagarii edition of the Taittiriiya Braahma.na (which I am using in the
>1985 Motilal Banarsidass reprint, p. ix), R. Shama Sastry writes:
>
>godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya va.m;savada.m
>taittiriiyabraahma.nasya dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
>anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m duraasadam aasiit |
>
>`it was difficult to obtain Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara's commentary on the four last
>anuvaakas of the second a.s.taka of the Taittiriiyabraahma.na as something
>taught in the lineage of any pa.n.dit living on the bank of the Godaavarii'
>[va.m;savada- translated in accordance with a suggestion by Haru Isaacson]
>
>Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
>those anuvaakas:
>
>ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam |
>
>And apparently for other parts too:
>
>ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
>lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
>saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |
>
>In fact the page-headers of vol. II of the Mysore edition suddenly change
>between p. 183 and 185 from ``Tattiriiyabraahma.nam
>Bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syopetam'' to ``Maadhaviiyabhaa.syopetam''. This is
>around TB 2.4.5.44 = Aanandaa;srama ed. 2.4.5.1, not anywhere near the last
>4 anuvaakas of TB 2 mentioned by R. Shama Sastry (several prapaa.thakas with
>their own anuvaakas follow!), nor anywhere near the place where the
>commentary of Saaya.na actually seems to start being printed.
>
>Does anybody know the exact extent of the portions printed with Bha.t.ta
>Bhaaskara Mi;sra's commentary, or can anyone point me to a source where they
>have been listed? I have checked, as far as I am able to do so, Tsuji's
>Genzon Yajuruweda Bunken / Existent Yajurveda-Literature, to no avail.
>
>Is anybody aware of the existence of complete versions of his commentary on
>TB either in manuscript or in print?
>
>-- Arlo Griffiths
>
>CNWS / Instituut Kern
>Universiteit Leiden
>Postbus 9515
>2300 RA  Leiden
>the Netherlands
>
>tel.: +31-71-5274128

Frits Staal
http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/staal/




From A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Thu Aug 21 09:41:58 2003
From: A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 03 11:41:58 +0200
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya Braahma.na
Message-ID: <161227073149.23782.16155123587847995210.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

On the first page of his Upodghaata to the second volume of the 1921 Mysore
devanaagarii edition of the Taittiriiya Braahma.na (which I am using in the
1985 Motilal Banarsidass reprint, p. ix), R. Shama Sastry writes:

godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya va.m;savada.m
taittiriiyabraahma.nasya dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m duraasadam aasiit |

`it was difficult to obtain Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara's commentary on the four last
anuvaakas of the second a.s.taka of the Taittiriiyabraahma.na as something
taught in the lineage of any pa.n.dit living on the bank of the Godaavarii'
[va.m;savada- translated in accordance with a suggestion by Haru Isaacson]

Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
those anuvaakas:

ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam |

And apparently for other parts too:

ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |

In fact the page-headers of vol. II of the Mysore edition suddenly change
between p. 183 and 185 from ``Tattiriiyabraahma.nam
Bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syopetam'' to ``Maadhaviiyabhaa.syopetam''. This is
around TB 2.4.5.44 = Aanandaa;srama ed. 2.4.5.1, not anywhere near the last
4 anuvaakas of TB 2 mentioned by R. Shama Sastry (several prapaa.thakas with
their own anuvaakas follow!), nor anywhere near the place where the
commentary of Saaya.na actually seems to start being printed.

Does anybody know the exact extent of the portions printed with Bha.t.ta
Bhaaskara Mi;sra's commentary, or can anyone point me to a source where they
have been listed? I have checked, as far as I am able to do so, Tsuji's
Genzon Yajuruweda Bunken / Existent Yajurveda-Literature, to no avail.

Is anybody aware of the existence of complete versions of his commentary on
TB either in manuscript or in print?

-- Arlo Griffiths

CNWS / Instituut Kern
Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA  Leiden
the Netherlands

tel.: +31-71-5274128




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Thu Aug 21 21:03:38 2003
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 03 14:03:38 -0700
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya              Braahma.na
In-Reply-To: <BB6A6086.5B9B%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227073163.23782.10128486014028992860.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Arlo,

Given my resources here, I cannot help you with your main query, but perhaps
my attempt at a different translation will serve to guide your query
properly.

The common word is va;sa.mvada 'under control, in possession, existing under
the direction of,' not va.m;savada (in fact, I cannot recall coming across
the latter anywhere). Misplacement of the anusvaara is not uncommon in
Naagarii printing.

The first passage you cite is:
> godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya va.m;savada.m
> taittiriiyabraahma.nasya dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
> anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m duraasadam aasiit |

To me, its natural meaning would be: 'It was difficult/impossible to obtain
Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara's commentary on the four last anuvaakas of the second
a.s.taka of the Taittiriiyabraahma.na which is/was, under the control of a
certain pandit living on the bank of the Godaavarii.'

Such statements about not getting access to a precious or particularly
valuable ms are (unfortunately) found in the introductions of the editions
of several Indic texts.

More importantly, my translation, implying that at a certain time the latter
part of B-B's work was at least thought to exist, would make the use of
ko;saantaraabhavaat 'because other mss did not exist (because I/we did not
have access to other mss)' and lupta.m du.spaa.tham ca 'lost and having
bad/corrupt readings' in your third passage understandable (I am assuming
that nothing else of relevance has been written between the passages; I do
not have the original in front of me).

Second passage:
> Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
> those anuvaakas:
>
> ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam |

Third passage:
> ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
> lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
> saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |


ashok aklujkar




From phbernede at YAHOO.COM  Thu Aug 21 22:12:32 2003
From: phbernede at YAHOO.COM (Pascale Haag Bernede)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 03 15:12:32 -0700
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya              Braahma.na
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030821102647.01d8a460@socrates.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <161227073155.23782.981509060388719361.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I don't have Charles Malamoud's e-mail, but his postal
address is:

7 r Cit? Universitaire
F-75014 PARIS 14

Phone: 00 33 1 45 88 07 46

Pascale Haag-Bern?de


--- Frits Staal <JFStaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
> Charles Malamoud might know - is he on our list? I
> have no E-mail. Does
> someone?
> greetings and thanks,
> Frits
>
> At 11:41 AM 8/21/03 +0200, you wrote:
> >Dear Indologists,
> >
> >On the first page of his Upodghaata to the second
> volume of the 1921 Mysore
> >devanaagarii edition of the Taittiriiya Braahma.na
> (which I am using in the
> >1985 Motilal Banarsidass reprint, p. ix), R. Shama
> Sastry writes:
> >
> >godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya
> va.m;savada.m
> >taittiriiyabraahma.nasya
> dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
> >anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m
> duraasadam aasiit |
> >
> >`it was difficult to obtain Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara's
> commentary on the four last
> >anuvaakas of the second a.s.taka of the
> Taittiriiyabraahma.na as something
> >taught in the lineage of any pa.n.dit living on the
> bank of the Godaavarii'
> >[va.m;savada- translated in accordance with a
> suggestion by Haru Isaacson]
> >
> >Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the
> `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
> >those anuvaakas:
> >
> >ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam |
> >
> >And apparently for other parts too:
> >
> >ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m
> ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
> >lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam
> apahaaya
> >saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |
> >
> >In fact the page-headers of vol. II of the Mysore
> edition suddenly change
> >between p. 183 and 185 from ``Tattiriiyabraahma.nam
> >Bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syopetam'' to
> ``Maadhaviiyabhaa.syopetam''. This is
> >around TB 2.4.5.44 = Aanandaa;srama ed. 2.4.5.1,
> not anywhere near the last
> >4 anuvaakas of TB 2 mentioned by R. Shama Sastry
> (several prapaa.thakas with
> >their own anuvaakas follow!), nor anywhere near the
> place where the
> >commentary of Saaya.na actually seems to start
> being printed.
> >
> >Does anybody know the exact extent of the portions
> printed with Bha.t.ta
> >Bhaaskara Mi;sra's commentary, or can anyone point
> me to a source where they
> >have been listed? I have checked, as far as I am
> able to do so, Tsuji's
> >Genzon Yajuruweda Bunken / Existent
> Yajurveda-Literature, to no avail.
> >
> >Is anybody aware of the existence of complete
> versions of his commentary on
> >TB either in manuscript or in print?
> >
> >-- Arlo Griffiths
> >
> >CNWS / Instituut Kern
> >Universiteit Leiden
> >Postbus 9515
> >2300 RA  Leiden
> >the Netherlands
> >
> >tel.: +31-71-5274128
>
> Frits Staal
> http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/staal/


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From j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM  Fri Aug 22 15:35:28 2003
From: j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 03 08:35:28 -0700
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya              Braahma.na
In-Reply-To: <BB6A6086.5B9B%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227073157.23782.16375961057952746343.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Unfortunately I don't have such a list. But since
the context of the passage is the difficulties of
the editor Shama Shastry in obtaining sufficient
manuscripts for his edition (en passant he
criticizes unnamed gopayitaara.h of the
manuscripts, i.e., apparently certain librarians)
the passage rather means:

godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya
va.m;savada.m
taittiriiyabraahma.nasya
dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m
duraasadam aasiit

"B.B.'s commentary (i.e. section in the
commentary) on the four last anuvaakas of the
second a.s.taka (= kaa.n.da, cf. Gonda Ved. lit.
p. 350) of the TB that speaks of va.m;sa and that
belonged to (was in the possession of) a certain
(specific, but, according to good Brahminical
custom, unnamed) Pa.n.dit living on the bank of
the Godaavarii, was difficult to obtain."

In the section mentioned by Shama Shastry we do
find now and then references to offspring, to the
origin of the world, etc. but this can hardly
suffice to make this section qualify as a
va.m;sa-braahma.na "braahma.na dealing with
authorities and their lineages" (as, f.i., ;SB
14.5.5.20-22 = BAU 2.6), so I suspect it is
really only the commentary of B.B. that contains
in the mentioned specific section important
remarks on (B.B.'s? the Taitt. tradition's?)
va.m;sa that Shama Shastry was eager to edit on
the basis of sufficient ms evidence.

Best, Jan


--- Arlo Griffiths
<A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL> wrote:
> Dear Indologists,
>
> On the first page of his Upodghaata to the
> second volume of the 1921 Mysore
> devanaagarii edition of the Taittiriiya
> Braahma.na (which I am using in the
> 1985 Motilal Banarsidass reprint, p. ix), R.
> Shama Sastry writes:
>
> godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya
> va.m;savada.m
> taittiriiyabraahma.nasya
> dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
> anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m
> duraasadam aasiit |
>
> `it was difficult to obtain Bha.t.ta
> Bhaaskara's commentary on the four last
> anuvaakas of the second a.s.taka of the
> Taittiriiyabraahma.na as something
> taught in the lineage of any pa.n.dit living on
> the bank of the Godaavarii'
> [va.m;savada- translated in accordance with a
> suggestion by Haru Isaacson]
>
> Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm.
> (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
> those anuvaakas:
>
> ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam
> |
>
> And apparently for other parts too:
>
> ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca
> taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne
> ara.nyake ca
> lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca
> bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
> saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |
>
> In fact the page-headers of vol. II of the
> Mysore edition suddenly change
> between p. 183 and 185 from
> ``Tattiriiyabraahma.nam
> Bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syopetam'' to
> ``Maadhaviiyabhaa.syopetam''. This is
> around TB 2.4.5.44 = Aanandaa;srama ed.
> 2.4.5.1, not anywhere near the last
> 4 anuvaakas of TB 2 mentioned by R. Shama
> Sastry (several prapaa.thakas with
> their own anuvaakas follow!), nor anywhere near
> the place where the
> commentary of Saaya.na actually seems to start
> being printed.
>
> Does anybody know the exact extent of the
> portions printed with Bha.t.ta
> Bhaaskara Mi;sra's commentary, or can anyone
> point me to a source where they
> have been listed? I have checked, as far as I
> am able to do so, Tsuji's
> Genzon Yajuruweda Bunken / Existent
> Yajurveda-Literature, to no avail.
>
> Is anybody aware of the existence of complete
> versions of his commentary on
> TB either in manuscript or in print?
>
> -- Arlo Griffiths
>
> CNWS / Instituut Kern
> Universiteit Leiden
> Postbus 9515
> 2300 RA  Leiden
> the Netherlands
>
> tel.: +31-71-5274128






=====
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From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Fri Aug 22 16:41:33 2003
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 03 09:41:33 -0700
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya
Message-ID: <161227073160.23782.7799809422803005106.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am reposting this because it has so far not appeared on the list. I do not
know why. My server and computer did not give any indication of delivery
failure. -- a.a.

From: Ashok Aklujkar <aklujkar at interchange.ubc.ca>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:03:38 -0700
To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya
Braahma.na

Arlo,

Given my resources here, I cannot help you with your main query, but perhaps
my attempt at a different translation will serve to guide your query
properly.

The common word is va;sa.mvada 'under control, in possession, existing under
the direction of,' not va.m;savada (in fact, I cannot recall coming across
the latter anywhere). Misplacement of the anusvaara is not uncommon in
Naagarii printing.

The first passage you cite is:
> godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya va.m;savada.m
> taittiriiyabraahma.nasya dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
> anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m duraasadam aasiit |

To me, its natural meaning would be: 'It was difficult/impossible to obtain
Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara's commentary on the four last anuvaakas of the second
a.s.taka of the Taittiriiyabraahma.na which is/was, under the control of a
certain pandit living on the bank of the Godaavarii.'

Such statements about not getting access to a precious or particularly
valuable ms are (unfortunately) found in the introductions of the editions
of several Indic texts.

More importantly, my translation, implying that at a certain time the latter
part of B-B's work was at least thought to exist, would make the use of
ko;saantaraabhavaat 'because other mss did not exist (because I/we did not
have access to other mss)' and lupta.m du.spaa.tham ca 'lost and having
bad/corrupt readings' in your third passage understandable (I am assuming
that nothing else of relevance has been written between the passages; I do
not have the original in front of me).

Second passage:
> Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
> those anuvaakas:
>
> ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam |

Third passage:
> ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
> lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
> saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |


ashok aklujkar




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Fri Aug 22 19:38:15 2003
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 03 12:38:15 -0700
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya
In-Reply-To: <BB6C2213.5BE5%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227073169.23782.15589844435529361036.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Arlo,

On 2003-08-22 10:40, you wrote:
> I guess not too many
> Indologists are ever fishing in this neck of the woods... Or are they?

In your first message you wrote:
>In fact the page-headers of vol. II of the Mysore edition suddenly change
between p. 183 and 185 from ``Tattiriiyabraahma.nam
Bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syopetam'' to ``Maadhaviiyabhaa.syopetam''. This is
around TB 2.4.5.44 = Aanandaa;srama ed. 2.4.5.1, not anywhere near the last
4 anuvaakas of TB 2 mentioned by R. Shama Sastry (several prapaa.thakas with
their own anuvaakas follow!), nor anywhere near the place where the
commentary of Saaya.na actually seems to start being printed.
>Does anybody know the exact extent of the portions printed with Bha.t.ta
>Bhaaskara Mi;sra's commentary, or can anyone point me to a source where they
>have been listed? I have checked, as far as I am able to do so, Tsuji's
>Genzon Yajuruweda Bunken / Existent Yajurveda-Literature, to no avail.
>Is anybody aware of the existence of complete versions of his commentary on
>TB either in manuscript or in print?<

As your last sentence indicates, the final answer to your query must come
from your own examination of the mss or the same examination carried out for
you by other competent scholars. Those ms catalogues which give detailed
descriptions of the mss, including their beginnings and ends, will be
helpful in the meanwhile.

Appearance of wrong page headers is not an unparalleled feature of editions.
So, I would not take them as posing a serious problem. It is quite likely
that in anticipation of what he was going to print in the last 4 anuvaakas
R. Shama Sastry instructed the compositor to change the page header but did
not notice until the formes were printed that the compositor had effected
the change at an earlier point than desired. Much would depend on how many
formes were simultaneously finalized by the editor or the press for
printing.

The eva in your second passage, ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva
nive;sitam, is significant. Here Shama Sastry assures the reader that for
the last 4 anuvaakas no mixing with B-B's commentary has taken place -- only
S's commentary has been incorporated in the edn. Your translation > Hence
this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for those
anuvaakas< should be strengthened to the suggested extent.

The third passage
>>> ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
>>> lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
>>> saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |
informs us that where no sufficient guidance was forthcoming from the ms/mss
of B-B's commentary, either because no ms existed for the part concerned or
the available mss were difficult to read/interpret, supplementation with S's
commentary was done in the TS, TB (other than the last 4 anuvaakas) and TA.
One, of course, hopes that Shama Sastry has annotated such places in some
way, at least through an abbreviation of S's name or commentary title,
through reproducing variants in footnotes or through employment of a
different typeface. Have you already checked if any pattern can be detected?
Perhaps Shama Sastry began the mixing roughtly where the headers change.

Whether a pattern exists or not, we should keep the following in mind in
evaluating Shama Sastry as an editor: Early editors of Skt texts, especially
the traditionally trained ones in India, for understandable reasons, were
more frequently seeking to make a text available or to make a text
available-and-intelligible than to give historically revealing readings or
explanations with exact ascriptions etc.

ashok aklujkar




From A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Fri Aug 22 17:40:03 2003
From: A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 03 19:40:03 +0200
Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya
In-Reply-To: <BB6B95CD.2C52%aklujkar@interchange.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227073166.23782.16912308097732781771.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Ashok,

And yes, a second glance at the text confirms that you are absolutely right:
the error was on my side, and Jan's attempt at explanation of this small
portion, as well as my own misguided original one, can be discarded. (By the
way, the three passages were all consecutive.)

But the basic part of my query remains open. I guess not too many
Indologists are ever fishing in this neck of the woods... Or are they?

Arlo



> From: Ashok Aklujkar <aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA>
> Reply-To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:41:33 -0700
> To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Subject: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya
>
> I am reposting this because it has so far not appeared on the list. I do not
> know why. My server and computer did not give any indication of delivery
> failure. -- a.a.
>
> From: Ashok Aklujkar <aklujkar at interchange.ubc.ca>
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:03:38 -0700
> To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara Mi;sra's Bhaa.sya on the Taittiriiya
> Braahma.na
>
> Arlo,
>
> Given my resources here, I cannot help you with your main query, but perhaps
> my attempt at a different translation will serve to guide your query
> properly.
>
> The common word is va;sa.mvada 'under control, in possession, existing under
> the direction of,' not va.m;savada (in fact, I cannot recall coming across
> the latter anywhere). Misplacement of the anusvaara is not uncommon in
> Naagarii printing.
>
> The first passage you cite is:
>> godaavariitiirasthasya kasyacana pa.n.ditasya va.m;savada.m
>> taittiriiyabraahma.nasya dvitiiyaa.s.takasyaantimaanaa.m catur.naam
>> anuvaakaanaa.m bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.sya.m duraasadam aasiit |
>
> To me, its natural meaning would be: 'It was difficult/impossible to obtain
> Bha.t.ta Bhaaskara's commentary on the four last anuvaakas of the second
> a.s.taka of the Taittiriiyabraahma.na which is/was, under the control of a
> certain pandit living on the bank of the Godaavarii.'
>
> Such statements about not getting access to a precious or particularly
> valuable ms are (unfortunately) found in the introductions of the editions
> of several Indic texts.
>
> More importantly, my translation, implying that at a certain time the latter
> part of B-B's work was at least thought to exist, would make the use of
> ko;saantaraabhavaat 'because other mss did not exist (because I/we did not
> have access to other mss)' and lupta.m du.spaa.tham ca 'lost and having
> bad/corrupt readings' in your third passage understandable (I am assuming
> that nothing else of relevance has been written between the passages; I do
> not have the original in front of me).
>
> Second passage:
>> Hence this edition supplies Saaya.na's comm. (the `Maadhaviiyabhaa.sya') for
>> those anuvaakas:
>>
>> ata;s ca tatra saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nive;sitam |
>
> Third passage:
>> ko;saantaraalaabhaac ca taittiriiyasa.mhitaayaa.m ca braahma.ne ara.nyake ca
>> lupta.m du.spa.tha.m ca bha.t.tabhaaskarabhaa.syam apahaaya
>> saaya.nabhaa.syam eva nyave;si |
>
>
> ashok aklujkar




From ball0332 at SIFY.COM  Sun Aug 24 15:57:04 2003
From: ball0332 at SIFY.COM (alex watson)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 03 20:57:04 +0500
Subject: Haracaritacintaama.ni
Message-ID: <161227073171.23782.4689923859304386074.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues

Judit Torzsok and I are planning to re-edit and translate the Haracaritacintaama.ni.

A) We have started typing in the text.  If you have typed in parts of it and would be willing to send them to us we would be very grateful.  (We will of course send you our complete e-text.)

B) We have come across mention in catalogues of MSS of the text in the following places:

1) Paris D28

2)  Poona (which may be the same as Buehler's report XIV)

3) No. 985 of
the 'Catalogue of the Sanskrit MSS in the Library of
his Highness the Mahaaraaja of Ulwar' by Peter
Peterson. Bombay 1892.

4) No. 206 in the Raghunaatha Temple Library of the
Mahaaraaja of Jammu and Kashmir.

5) No. 7042 India Office, London

6-9)  Four MSS mentioned in the catalogue of the University of Kashmir in Srinagar

If anyone knows of any others we would be very grateful to hear about them.  And if anyone has had any luck obtaining copies of manuscripts from the Library of the Mahaaraaja of Ulwar, could they let us know?

Thanks in advance

Alex Watson
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From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK  Wed Aug 27 15:58:42 2003
From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (John Brockington)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 03 16:58:42 +0100
Subject: publication announcement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.56.0308261152140.1028@Anat-lws119.ucl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <161227073173.23782.11701528580441923836.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

An announcement of recent publications by Gudrun B?hnemann, which will be of
interest to many on the list.

John Brockington
(committee member on duty)

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:44:02 -0500
> From: Gudrun Buhnemann <gbuhnema at wisc.edu>

> I am not part of the INDOLOGY list at present and wanted to ask
> whether you could announce my new publications. I recently published
> the following:
> 
> Mandalas and Yantras in the Hindu Traditions. By G. B?hnemann, with
> contributions by H. Brunner, M.W. Meister, A. Padoux, M. Rastelli and
> J. T?rzs?k. Leiden: E.J. Brill 2003
> (= Brill's Indological Library 18), xvii, 303 + (13 pp.) colour illustrations.
> ISSN 0925-2916
> ISBN 90 04 12902 2
> 
> G.B?hnemann: Buddhist Deities of Nepal: Iconography in Two Sketchbooks.
> Lumbini: Lumbini International Research Institute 2003, pp. 125.
> ISBN 99933-769-7-3
> Lumbini International Research Institute, P.O. Box 39,
> Bhairahawa, Dist. Rupandehi, Nepal
> Email: <liri at mos.com.np>
> 
> The Hindu Pantheon in Nepalese Line Drawings: Two Manuscripts of the
> Pratisthalaksanasarasamuccaya. Compiled by Gudrun B?hnemann.
> Varanasi: Indica Books 2003, pp. 167.
> ISBN 81-86569-33-2
> Indica Books, D 40/18 Godowlia, Varanasi 221 001, U.P., India
> Email: <indicabooks at satyam.net.in>




From rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ  Fri Aug 29 21:56:05 2003
From: rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ (Richard Mahoney)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 03 09:56:05 +1200
Subject: [acmuller@GOL.COM: RESOURCE> Jeffrey Hopkins'              Tibetan-Sanskrit-English Dictionary (Montano)]
Message-ID: <161227073175.23782.11137117650483432269.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Colleagues,

This may be of interest.


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From: "Andres Montano" <amontano at virginia.edu>
Subject: Jeffrey Hopkins' Tibetan-Sanskrit-English Dictionary available for downloading
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003


Dear H-Buddhism members:

A digital version of Jeffrey Hopkins' Tibetan-Sanskrit-English Dictionary is
now available for free download on several formats. Even though the
dictionary is an unfinished product and many entries still need to be
revised, it is a useful resource for scholars working with Tibetan sources.

The formats available are:

1. Tomeraider format. You can download tomeraider from www.tomeraider.com.
You can find Jeffrey Hopkins' dictionary on www.memoware.com by searching
for "Jeffrey Hopkins Dictionary". This version allows easy browsing of the
dictionary in Tibetan alphabetical order. Tomeraider runs on most platforms
including handheld devices like pocket-pc's and palmPilots. The display is
done in the wylie transliteration scheme.

2. Using the Tibetan Translation Tool. This Java tool takes Tibetan language
passages - which can be cut and pasted in, typed in Wylie transliteration,
or typed in Tibetan script - and divides the passages up into their
component phrases and words, and displays corresponding dictionary
definitions. Runs also on most platforms including handheld devices as
pocket-pc's.

See http://www.people.virginia.edu/~am2zb/tibetan/

* You can use the Translation Tool to access on-line databases (which
include the latest version of both Jeffrey Hopkins' Dictionary and the
Rangjung Yeshe Tibetan-English Dharma Dictionary).

* You can also download Jeffrey Hopkins' Dictionary into your hard-drive and
access it through the Tibetan Translation Tool running locally.

I exhort other Tibetan dictionary writers who want to give on-line access to
their dictionaries through the Translation Tool to write me off the list.

Please forward this message to students and scholars not on this list who
may find this information useful.

        Andres Montano
        Graduate Student
        Religious Studies Dept, University of Virginia

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Best regards,

 Richard Mahoney


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