From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:43:29 2003 From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 03 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: Traditional dates of Buddha? Message-ID: <161227072540.23782.5767148522926603953.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I recently ran across mention that (some) Buddhists hold the Buddha's date to be around 1700 B.C. Perhaps this is a Tibetan tradition? Another source said that some hold it to be 1000 B.C. I believe this may be a date from some in the Sankaracarya tradition who would then put Sankara at around 5-600 B.C. These dates are obviously much earlier than those commonly accepted among scholars -- even given the range of differing opinions among them. Are these dates accepted by a large number of followers in Buddhism and Vedanta? What are their reasons for choosing these dates? Dean Anderson From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Wed Apr 2 01:14:54 2003 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 03 20:14:54 -0500 Subject: FW: Dnyaneshwari Message-ID: <161227072542.23782.17853236357751741758.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am forwarding this message to the list on behalf of the Indology Committee. Best, Madhav Deshpande > ---------- > From: Ashwini Sharad Deo > Reply To: Indology Committee > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2003 11:14 AM > To: INDOLOGYCOMMITTEE at liverpool.ac.uk > Subject: Dnyaneshwari > > Hello, > I have a note for the members of the Indology list. > Could you please forward it? > > > > > > I am working on getting the text of the Dnyaneshwari (one of the most > important Old Marathi texts) in electronic format. The first six chapters > are online and may be accessed at > > http://www.stanford.edu/~adeo/dnya.html > > The text follows the Harvard-Kyoto convention. > > thanks, > Ashwini Deo > > From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Wed Apr 2 09:02:21 2003 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 03 10:02:21 +0100 Subject: Traditional dates of Buddha? In-Reply-To: <000701c2f8b0$e258d400$2402a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: <161227072544.23782.7524838479418219049.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG wrote: > I recently ran across mention that (some) Buddhists hold the Buddha's date > to be around 1700 B.C. Perhaps this is a Tibetan tradition? > > Another source said that some hold it to be 1000 B.C. I believe this may be > a date from some in the Sankaracarya tradition who would then put Sankara at > around 5-600 B.C. > > These dates are obviously much earlier than those commonly accepted among > scholars -- even given the range of differing opinions among them. > > Are these dates accepted by a large number of followers in Buddhism and > Vedanta? > > What are their reasons for choosing these dates? Concerning the dating of Buddha Sakyamuni, see the congress volumes ed. by H. Bechert. There you will find lots of possible and impossible dates and where they may come from. See: The dating of the historical Buddha = Die Datierung des historischen Buddha / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - G?ttingen : Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht 1991-1997 (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G?ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; ...) 1 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1991. - XV, 525 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,1) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G?ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 189) ISBN 3-525-82476-9 2 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1992. - X, 530 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,2) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G?ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 194) ISBN 3-525-82481-5 3 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1997. - VI, 171 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,3) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G?ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 222) ISBN 3-525-82419-X Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic From will.sweetman at NCL.AC.UK Wed Apr 2 16:05:25 2003 From: will.sweetman at NCL.AC.UK (Will Sweetman) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 03 18:05:25 +0200 Subject: UK Conference Message-ID: <161227072547.23782.1648704954293603697.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear list, The twentieth annual one-day STIMW seminar will be held on Thursday, 22nd May 2003 from 11.00am to 5.00pm in Room G9 in the Percy Building, University of Newcastle upon Tyne (UK). The following papers have been offered: Michael Bergunder (Heidelberg): 'Contested Past: Anti-brahmanical and Hindu nationalist reconstructions of early Indian religious history Ven. K. Dhammasami (Oxford): Secularising the Monasteries: the Role of Formal Examinations in Ecclesiastical Pedagogy in Burma and Thailand 1850-1950 Hanco J?rgens (Nijmegen): Christianity meets Hinduism: Pietism and Enlightenment in German missionary accounts of India, 1750-1810 Will Sweetman (Newcastle): How The Hindus Got Their Religion: a Just So story Papers will be sent to participants in advance, so that discussion can proceed on the basis of a paper that has already been read. There will be a fee to cover expenses: ?8.00 for participants in permanent salaried posts, ?4.00 for others. Lunch is not included in the fee, but is available nearby at very reasonable prices. A list of guest houses close to the University is available on request. To register, please send a cheque payable to 'University of Newcastle upon Tyne' to Mrs Jane Hagger, STIMW, Religious Studies, University of Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU by 8 May 2003. Further information is available at http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/will.sweetman/stimw/index.html or by email (will.sweetman at ncl.ac.uk). With apologies for any cross-posting, Yours sincerely, Will Sweetman From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG Thu Apr 3 01:11:33 2003 From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 03 20:11:33 -0500 Subject: Traditional dates of Buddha? Message-ID: <161227072549.23782.5416642893443711515.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thanks for the reply. My German has gotten a bit rusty with disuse over the years but I'm dusting it off. So, the traditional dates of 1700 and 1000 BC are just one of a multitude of claimed dates and don't have any particularly large or influential groups that hold to them? Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wyzlic" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: Traditional dates of Buddha? On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG wrote: > I recently ran across mention that (some) Buddhists hold the Buddha's date > to be around 1700 B.C. Perhaps this is a Tibetan tradition? > > Another source said that some hold it to be 1000 B.C. I believe this may be > a date from some in the Sankaracarya tradition who would then put Sankara at > around 5-600 B.C. > > These dates are obviously much earlier than those commonly accepted among > scholars -- even given the range of differing opinions among them. > > Are these dates accepted by a large number of followers in Buddhism and > Vedanta? > > What are their reasons for choosing these dates? Concerning the dating of Buddha Sakyamuni, see the congress volumes ed. by H. Bechert. There you will find lots of possible and impossible dates and where they may come from. See: The dating of the historical Buddha = Die Datierung des historischen Buddha / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - Gttingen : Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht 1991-1997 (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; ...) 1 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1991. - XV, 525 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,1) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 189) ISBN 3-525-82476-9 2 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1992. - X, 530 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,2) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 194) ISBN 3-525-82481-5 3 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1997. - VI, 171 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,3) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 222) ISBN 3-525-82419-X Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET Thu Apr 3 06:58:14 2003 From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 03 07:58:14 +0100 Subject: Traditional dates of Buddha? In-Reply-To: <000901c2f97d$f7c1d9e0$2402a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: <161227072552.23782.9294191132209014953.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> 'The Dating of the Historical Buddha' is also available in English. Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK Dean Anderson writes: >Thanks for the reply. My German has gotten a bit rusty with disuse over the >years but I'm dusting it off. > >So, the traditional dates of 1700 and 1000 BC are just one of a multitude of >claimed dates and don't have any particularly large or influential groups >that hold to them? > >Dean > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Wyzlic" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:02 AM >Subject: Re: Traditional dates of Buddha? > > >On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG wrote: > >> I recently ran across mention that (some) Buddhists hold the Buddha's date >> to be around 1700 B.C. Perhaps this is a Tibetan tradition? >> >> Another source said that some hold it to be 1000 B.C. I believe this may >be >> a date from some in the Sankaracarya tradition who would then put Sankara >at >> around 5-600 B.C. >> >> These dates are obviously much earlier than those commonly accepted among >> scholars -- even given the range of differing opinions among them. >> >> Are these dates accepted by a large number of followers in Buddhism and >> Vedanta? >> >> What are their reasons for choosing these dates? > >Concerning the dating of Buddha Sakyamuni, see the congress volumes ed. by >H. Bechert. There you will find lots of possible and impossible dates and >where they may come from. > >See: The dating of the historical Buddha = Die Datierung des >historischen Buddha / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - Gttingen : Vandenhoeck & >Ruprecht 1991-1997 (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4) (Abhandlungen der >Akademie der Wissenschaften in G ttingen : philologisch-historische >Klasse ; ...) > >1 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1991. - XV, 525 S. - (Symposien zur >Buddhismusforschung ; 4,1) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften >in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 189) >ISBN 3-525-82476-9 > >2 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1992. - X, 530 S. - (Symposien zur >Buddhismusforschung ; 4,2) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften >in G ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 194) >ISBN 3-525-82481-5 > >3 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1997. - VI, 171 S. - (Symposien zur >Buddhismusforschung ; 4,3) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften >in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 222) >ISBN 3-525-82419-X > >Hope it helps >Peter Wyzlic From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG Thu Apr 3 17:55:04 2003 From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 03 12:55:04 -0500 Subject: Traditional dates of Buddha? Message-ID: <161227072558.23782.11154505157078075434.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thanks for the replies in group and private. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wyzlic" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: Traditional dates of Buddha? On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG wrote: > I recently ran across mention that (some) Buddhists hold the Buddha's date > to be around 1700 B.C. Perhaps this is a Tibetan tradition? > > Another source said that some hold it to be 1000 B.C. I believe this may be > a date from some in the Sankaracarya tradition who would then put Sankara at > around 5-600 B.C. > > These dates are obviously much earlier than those commonly accepted among > scholars -- even given the range of differing opinions among them. > > Are these dates accepted by a large number of followers in Buddhism and > Vedanta? > > What are their reasons for choosing these dates? Concerning the dating of Buddha Sakyamuni, see the congress volumes ed. by H. Bechert. There you will find lots of possible and impossible dates and where they may come from. See: The dating of the historical Buddha = Die Datierung des historischen Buddha / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - Gttingen : Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht 1991-1997 (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; ...) 1 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1991. - XV, 525 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,1) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 189) ISBN 3-525-82476-9 2 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1992. - X, 530 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,2) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in G ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 194) ISBN 3-525-82481-5 3 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1997. - VI, 171 S. - (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4,3) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 222) ISBN 3-525-82419-X Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Thu Apr 3 16:47:55 2003 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 03 17:47:55 +0100 Subject: INDOLOGY Website down 11-14 April Message-ID: <161227072555.23782.18315238667429876195.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, due to maintenance work at University College London, which hosts the INDOLOGY website, the website will be closed for the weekend of 11-14 April. Best, Dominik >Lonsdale Building for the whole of Saturday, which will mean >a SHUTDOWN OF ALL CENTRAL NETWORK AND COMPUTING SERVICES from >17.00hrs on Friday 11th April until 09:30am on Monday 14th April. >Staff will be working on Sunday 13th to bring up systems ready for >Monday morning, so some services may be available later on Sunday. > >During this period, all IS systems, including electronic mail, >will be unavailable. Unexpected problems or machine failures >could cause this period to be extended into the morning of >Monday 14th April which should be considered AT RISK. From dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG Fri Apr 4 00:37:35 2003 From: dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG (dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 03 19:37:35 -0500 Subject: Traditional dates of Buddha? Message-ID: <161227072561.23782.12772331642035847214.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thanks to the person who pointed me to the writings of S. Vidyasankar who claims that the records of the Sankaracarya Maths were most likely forged -- and relatively recently at that. Can someone tell me where I can find his articles or discussion about them? Dean Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Traditional dates of Buddha? > Thanks for the replies in group and private. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Wyzlic" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:02 AM > Subject: Re: Traditional dates of Buddha? > > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 dean_anderson at SACARI.ORG wrote: > > > I recently ran across mention that (some) Buddhists hold the Buddha's date > > to be around 1700 B.C. Perhaps this is a Tibetan tradition? > > > > Another source said that some hold it to be 1000 B.C. I believe this may > be > > a date from some in the Sankaracarya tradition who would then put Sankara > at > > around 5-600 B.C. > > > > These dates are obviously much earlier than those commonly accepted among > > scholars -- even given the range of differing opinions among them. > > > > Are these dates accepted by a large number of followers in Buddhism and > > Vedanta? > > > > What are their reasons for choosing these dates? > > Concerning the dating of Buddha Sakyamuni, see the congress volumes ed. by > H. Bechert. There you will find lots of possible and impossible dates and > where they may come from. > > See: The dating of the historical Buddha = Die Datierung des > historischen Buddha / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - Gttingen : Vandenhoeck & > Ruprecht 1991-1997 (Symposien zur Buddhismusforschung ; 4) (Abhandlungen der > Akademie der Wissenschaften in G ttingen : philologisch-historische > Klasse ; ...) > > 1 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1991. - XV, 525 S. - (Symposien zur > Buddhismusforschung ; 4,1) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften > in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 189) > ISBN 3-525-82476-9 > > 2 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1992. - X, 530 S. - (Symposien zur > Buddhismusforschung ; 4,2) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften > in G ttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 194) > ISBN 3-525-82481-5 > > 3 / ed. by Heinz Bechert. - 1997. - VI, 171 S. - (Symposien zur > Buddhismusforschung ; 4,3) (Abhandlungen der Akademie der Wissenschaften > in Gttingen : philologisch-historische Klasse ; Folge 3, 222) > ISBN 3-525-82419-X > > Hope it helps > Peter Wyzlic > From slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Apr 4 07:06:00 2003 From: slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 03 07:06:00 +0000 Subject: Inventory of unedited papers Message-ID: <161227072563.23782.1792381695037868844.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> An inventory of unedited papers left by German Indologists and kept in the DMG-Archives in Halle has just been released: Andreas Pohlus: Vorordnung der Indologen-Nachlaesse der Bibliothek der Deutschen Morgenlaendischen Gesellschaft (DMG). Halle: OWZ 2003. 72 pp. For terms of supply (price: Euro 6,90) see http://www.owz.uni-halle.de/OWHefte.html (bottom of page). Please place your orders with schoenig at owz.uni-halle.de Kindest regards, Walter Slaje -------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) (Home) Tel./Fax: (+49)-3643-501391 (Office) Tel.: (+49)-345-55-23650, Fax: -27139 www.indologie.uni-halle.de From rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ Sat Apr 5 09:20:20 2003 From: rbm49 at EXT.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ (Richard Mahoney) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 03 21:20:20 +1200 Subject: EDNOTES available on CTAN Message-ID: <161227072565.23782.10678470422397857269.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, fyi > From: zierke at dante.de (Reinhard Zierke) > Newsgroups: comp.text.tex > Subject: CTAN upload -- Ednotes > ----- Forwarded message from ctan-upload ----- > Name of contribution: Ednotes > Name and email: Uwe L"uck > Suggested location on CTAN: macros/latex/ > Summary description: "critical edition", "line numbers", > "layers of footnotes" > License type: LPPL > Announcement text: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > These packages offer macros for critical edition > typesetting with LaTeX (cf. EDMAC/LEDMAC). Packages > `lineno.sty' by Stephan I. B"ottcher and `manyfoot.sty' > by Alexander Rozhenko are enhanced and combined. > ----- End forwarded message ----- > Thanks for the upload. I installed your package in > CTAN:macros/latex/contrib/supported/ednotes > Reinhard Zierke > for the CTAN team Best regards, Richard Mahoney -- Richard Mahoney | E-mail: rbm49 at ext.canterbury.ac.nz 78 Jeffreys Rd | r.mahoney at comnet.net.nz CHRISTCHURCH | Cellular: 0064-25-829-986 NEW ZEALAND | http://homepages.comnet.co.nz/~r-mahoney From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Wed Apr 9 13:59:26 2003 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 03 09:59:26 -0400 Subject: "Nirnayasagara" Message-ID: <161227072567.23782.2958936260696998797.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Does anyone has any clue as to why the famous printing press in Bombay was named Nir.nayasaagara? A variation on the title of Nir.nayasindhu, one of their prominent (early best-selling ?) publication? Madhav Deshpande From Toke_Knudsen at BROWN.EDU Wed Apr 9 16:03:43 2003 From: Toke_Knudsen at BROWN.EDU (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 03 12:03:43 -0400 Subject: "Nirnayasagara" Message-ID: <161227072569.23782.9802121057146062680.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dr. Deshpande, > Does anyone has any clue as to why the famous printing > press in Bombay was named Nir.nayasaagara? A variation on > the title of Nir.nayasindhu, one of their prominent (early > best-selling ?) publication? Considering that there was a tradition that new publishers would make a statement of what types of texts they would publish, asking for people to subscribe (to fund the continued publications), etc., it may be worthwhile to see if such a statement is to be found in any of the first publications of Nirnayasagara Press. If so--but not necessarily, of course--the history of the name may be explained there. As far as I know, Nirnayasagara Press' first publication was published in 1886, but the oldest available publication available to me is from 1889 and it does not include any such statement. Regarding Nirnayasindhu, then according to the India Office Library's catalogue of Sanskrit books, the Nirnayasagara Press edition was published in 1905, a fair while after the press' first publication. So there may not be a connection between the two names. Sincerely, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen From wmcox at UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Apr 12 05:57:39 2003 From: wmcox at UCHICAGO.EDU (Whitney Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 03 00:57:39 -0500 Subject: prakrit realization in Grantham Message-ID: <161227072575.23782.9210109291991678651.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> While transcribing some Grantha-script MSS of Mahe"svaraananda's Mahaarthama~njarii (in which the muula-text consists of gaathaa-s in Maahaaraa.s.trii Prakrit, with a chaayaa and autocommentary in Sanskrit), I've come across some seeming anomalies in the way the Prakrit text is written. In addition to the relatively large circles which follow the ak.sara and usually represent anusvaara in Grantha (and as is this particular scribe's practice in writing Sanskrit), there are rather small circles written immediately above the ak.sara. Strangely, however, the large circles seem in the Prakrit to indicate gemination of the following consonant, while the small, superscribed circle represents nasalization. This conclusion arises from comparing the ms. to the edition of Vrajavallabha Dvivedi (who reproduces the text of Ganapati Shastri). Is this sort of a practice (i.e. two different, language-dependent ways of realizing anusvaara in the same text, realizing gemination through what is usually used for anusvaara) something one sees in Grantha or in other scripts? Or, rather, should it be treated as two different ways of realizing anusvaara, and should the ms. be treated as a text with a very different, nasal-heavy, transmission of the Prakrit muula? Any help would be appreciated, Whitney Cox From jneuss at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE Sat Apr 12 05:37:23 2003 From: jneuss at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE (Juergen Neuss) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 03 07:37:23 +0200 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227072572.23782.16840077003640265410.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> mail From harunaga at SAS.UPENN.EDU Sat Apr 12 22:40:39 2003 From: harunaga at SAS.UPENN.EDU (Harunaga Isaacson) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 03 18:40:39 -0400 Subject: prakrit realization in Grantham In-Reply-To: <1050127059.3e97aad34eb34@webmail.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <161227072577.23782.16406824366153194718.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> This is not something which I have studied myself, so my knowledge is mainly second-hand and probably out of date as well; but what Whitney Cox refers to here has been discussed a number of times in secondary literature, though mainly with regard to Malayalam rather than Grantha. (Malayalam is of course reckoned by some as a type of Grantha; I take it though that what Whitney Cox refers to as Grantha is 'true' or Eastern Grantha.) The key question is indeed whether those circles after the ak.sara in Prakrit are intended as indicating gemination of the following consonant or not; the consensus, as far as I am aware, is that they are. A special, often discussed, case, in which what follows is not a consonant but a, is that of (using here .m to transcribe the circle) a.ma where one expects ajja or ayya (for Sanskrit aarya). You will already find something about this, I believe, in Pischel's Grammatik der Prakrit-sprachen (which I do not have at hand as I write); one of the more extensive early discussions is in P. Anujan Achan's introduction to his editio princeps of the Bhagavadajjukiiyam (1925). Most recently (that I know of; I may well have missed something newer though), with references to some earlier literature, see Roland Steiner's Untersuchungen zu Har.sadeva's Naagaananda und zum indischen Schauspiel (Swisttal-Odendork 1997, Indica et Tibetica 31), pp. 175--176 (only concerned with the special case of a.ma). Among literature not referred to by Steiner, it may be worth looking at K.R. Pisharoti's article Sanskrit and Prakrit in the Arya Eluttu--a Note, in Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies 5 (1928--1930), pp. 307--310. I hope that some of the list-members who work with Grantha manuscripts can be more helpful. Harunaga Isaacson Quoting Whitney Cox : > While transcribing some Grantha-script MSS of Mahe"svaraananda's > Mahaarthama~njarii (in which the muula-text consists of gaathaa-s in > Maahaaraa.s.trii Prakrit, with a chaayaa and autocommentary in Sanskrit), > I've > come across some seeming anomalies in the way the Prakrit text is written. > In > addition to the relatively large circles which follow the ak.sara and > usually > represent anusvaara in Grantha (and as is this particular scribe's practice > in > writing Sanskrit), there are rather small circles written immediately above > the ak.sara. Strangely, however, the large circles seem in the Prakrit to > indicate gemination of the following consonant, while the small, > superscribed > circle represents nasalization. This conclusion arises from comparing the > ms. > to the edition of Vrajavallabha Dvivedi (who reproduces the text of Ganapati > Shastri). Is this sort of a practice (i.e. two different, > language-dependent > ways of realizing anusvaara in the same text, realizing gemination through > what is usually used for anusvaara) something one sees in Grantha or in > other > scripts? Or, rather, should it be treated as two different ways of > realizing > anusvaara, and should the ms. be treated as a text with a very different, > nasal-heavy, transmission of the Prakrit muula? Any help would be > appreciated, > > Whitney Cox -- Harunaga Isaacson South Asia Studies University of Pennsylvania 820 Williams Hall 36th and Spruce Streets Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305 USA From LubinT at WLU.EDU Mon Apr 14 14:18:57 2003 From: LubinT at WLU.EDU (Timothy Lubin) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 03 10:18:57 -0400 Subject: 2-yr South Asian religions position at WLU Message-ID: <161227072580.23782.215202793202323835.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I hope list members will forgive this reposting. Approval has now been granted to make this a two-year position. Applications will be accepted through April 20. The Religion Department of Washington and Lee University seeks to fill a *two-year* sabbatical-replacement position in the study of South Asian religions (undergraduate-level) beginning in the fall of 2003, with a focus on Hinduism and Buddhism. Teaching responsibilities over each three-term year will include two sections of "Introduction to Asian Religions" (to cover South and East Asia), two sections of another survey course, and three seminars. (Sections of lecture courses are capped at 25 students.) Applicants with teaching experience and Ph.D. degree in hand by fall 2003 will be given preference. Applications are still being accepted and should include a current c.v., transcripts of graduate study, and three letters of recommendation, and may be sent to the Asian Search Committee, Department of Religion, Newcomb Hall, Washington and Lee University, Lexington, VA 24450. http://religion.wlu.edu/ From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Apr 15 19:21:16 2003 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 03 15:21:16 -0400 Subject: contact at New Catalogus Catalogorum Message-ID: <161227072583.23782.3466741822193519262.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Can anyone recommend a good contact at the NCC in Chennai to ask if V. Raghavan made handlists of certain libraries' mss? Thanks, Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian Southern Asia Section Asian Division Library of Congress Jefferson Building 150 101 Independence Ave., S.E. Washington, DC 20540-4810 tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 athr at loc.gov The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 09:08:30 2003 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 03 10:08:30 +0100 Subject: contact at New Catalogus Catalogorum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072585.23782.11952459524730531990.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> dash siniruddha Dr S. Dash is the current head of the NCC project. Best, Dominik On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Allen W Thrasher wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good contact at the NCC in Chennai to ask if V. > Raghavan made handlists of certain libraries' mss? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > > Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. > Senior Reference Librarian > Southern Asia Section > Asian Division > Library of Congress > Jefferson Building 150 > 101 Independence Ave., S.E. > Washington, DC 20540-4810 > tel. 202-707-3732 > fax 202-707-1724 > athr at loc.gov > The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library > of Congress. > From deviprasad at IFPINDIA.ORG Wed Apr 16 11:05:06 2003 From: deviprasad at IFPINDIA.ORG (DEVI IFP) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 03 16:35:06 +0530 Subject: contact at New Catalogus Catalogorum Message-ID: <161227072588.23782.6046453013333865824.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Respected Sir, Dr. Dash is very rarely checking his mail, so it is better to write him by post. His home phone no - 23620597 (044). Address Dr. Siniruddha Dash Professor and Head Dept. of Sanskrit, University of Madras Merina Campus Chennai - 600 005 Tamil Nadu with best wishes yours deviprasad. From will.sweetman at NCL.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 17:11:44 2003 From: will.sweetman at NCL.AC.UK (Will Sweetman) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 03 19:11:44 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Lecturership in Hindu and Buddhist Studies Message-ID: <161227072590.23782.5909033788151197221.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Begin forwarded message: > Lecturer in Hindu & Buddhist Studies, School of Arts & Cultures, > ?22,191 - ?23,296 > > Based in the School of Arts and Cultures (Religious Studies), the post > requires active research in Hindu and/or Buddhist Studies and a > commitment to teaching. Research interests in New Religious Movements > and contemporary aspects of Hinduism and/or Buddhism would be > particularly relevant. Interest in Indian Philosophy would be an > advantageous but not essential. Tenable for 1 Academic year. > > Closing date: 09/05/03. > > Job reference: B325A > > Answerphone: 0191 222 8834 > > Please forward your application, quoting the appropriate job reference > number, to: Human Resources Section, University of Newcastle > upon Tyne, 1 Park Terrace, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU. > > Further particulars available from > http://www.ncl.ac.uk/vacancies/ -- Dr Will Sweetman Religious Studies School of Arts & Cultures University of Newcastle Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU +44 191 222 6730 will.sweetman at ncl.ac.uk From athr at LOC.GOV Thu Apr 17 20:35:34 2003 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 03 16:35:34 -0400 Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress Message-ID: <161227072593.23782.10642563236031028578.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> April 17, 2003 Romila Thapar Named as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress Librarian of Congress James H. Billington has appointed Romila Thapar as the first holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at the Library of Congress. The holder of this chair, which is located in the John W. Kluge Center of the Library of Congress, pursues research on the regions of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, South and Southeast Asia, or the islands of the Pacific including Australia and New Zealand, using the immense foreign language collections in the specialized reading rooms of the Library of Congress. As occupant of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South, Thapar will spend ten months at the John W. Kluge Center pursuing "Historical Consciousness in Early India" as her area of research. Romila Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, who has served as visiting professor at Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania, is a recognized authority on Indian history. The author of many seminal works on the history of ancient India, her volume of the Penguin History of India has been continuously in print since 1966. Her latest publication is "Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300." Other recent works are "History and Beyond," "Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian History," and "History and Beyond." In her published works, Thapar has pioneered both the study of early Indian texts as history and the integration of the critical use of archaeology with written sources. During her illustrious career, Thapar has held many visiting posts in Europe, the United States and Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, and at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London. She has honorary doctorates from the University of Chicago, the Institut National des Langues et Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the University of Oxford and the University of Calcutta. Through a generous endowment from its namesake, the Library of Congress established the John W. Kluge Center in 2000 to bring together the world's best thinkers to stimulate, energize, and distill wisdom from the Library's rich resources and to interact with policymakers in Washington, D.C. The Kluge Center houses five senior Kluge Chairs (American Law and Governance, Countries and Cultures of the North, Countries and Cultures of the South, Technology and Society, and Modern Culture); other senior-level chairs (Henry A. Kissinger Chair, Cary and Ann Maguire Chair in American History and Ethics, and the Harissios Papamarkou Chair in Education); and nearly 25 post-doctoral fellows. For more information about the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South or any of the other fellowships and grants offered by the John W. Kluge Center, contact the Office of Scholarly Programs, Library of Congress, 101 Independence Avenue S.E, Washington, DC 20540-4860; telephone (202) 707-3302, fax 202-707-3595. John W. Kluge Center website: www.loc.gov/kluge Contact: Helen Dalrymple (202) 707-1940 Robert Saladini (202) 707-2692 From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA Fri Apr 18 05:07:49 2003 From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 03 22:07:49 -0700 Subject: contact at New Catalogus Catalogorum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072596.23782.6478167093189839230.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Allen, As far as I know, V. Raghavan's papers have gone to: Kuppuswami Sastri Research Institute 84 Thiru Vi. Ka. Rd., Mylapore Chennai 600 004 I am certain that Raghavan made several notes regarding the mss he thought were important. Whether he produced complete or nearly complete handlists (I cannot imagine even V. Raghavan to be able to identify the contents of all mss) is, as far as I know, yet to be determined. Writing to the director of KSRI may clarify the situation. ashok aklujkar On 2003-04-15 12:21, "Allen W Thrasher" wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good contact at the NCC in Chennai to ask if V. > Raghavan made handlists of certain libraries' mss? From jkirk at SPRO.NET Sat Apr 19 21:40:15 2003 From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 03 15:40:15 -0600 Subject: Fw: H-Asia: Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity Message-ID: <161227072601.23782.6555508996097651204.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I wonder what the experts on this list think of this hypotehsis? I find it odd--what is known if anything about Indo-Iranian pre-zoroastrian hells? What would be meant here by "Indo-Iranian" anyway? Vedic? I'm not aware that early zoroastrian religion elaborated complex hells as did Indian religion at a later time. My guess is that Buddhist hells were simply incorporated from Hindu hells. Any answers? Thanks, Joanna K. =============================== > H-ASIA > ********************** > From: Karil Kucera > > In response to Hugh Clark's thoughts on Mahayana Buddhism and hells in > East Asia, one article which [if I recall correctly] proposes an > Indo-Iranian source for both the Western and Eastern traditions is by > Duyvendak. I don't have the specific article at hand, so my apologies > in advance if this is not the correct citation. > > > Duyvendak, J.J.L. A Chinese "Divina Commedia". T'oung Pao, 41 (1952), > pp. 255-316. > > Karil Kucera, PhD > Luce Assistant Professor of East Asian Visual Culture > Depts of Asian Studies and Art & Art History > St Olaf College > Northfield, MN 55057 > 507.646.3129 From birgit.kellner at UNIVIE.AC.AT Sat Apr 19 15:18:23 2003 From: birgit.kellner at UNIVIE.AC.AT (Birgit Kellner) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 03 17:18:23 +0200 Subject: Configuring keyboard for Sanskrit transliteration in Linux Message-ID: <161227072598.23782.1329228438865620257.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, this is a fairly technical question, so responses would be probably more appropriate off-list. I'm just starting to migrate from Microsoft Windows to Linux (SuSE), using KDE 3.1 as a desktop manager. How can I customize the keyboard for input of diacritical characters? For instance, when pressing Alt + A, I want a long a displayed (Unicode encoding). Preferably this input method should be available in all X-based applications.I understand that such information can be entered in Xmodmap, but am still uncertain about the proper syntax. If someone has customized their keyboard to this end and could send me a sample Xmodmap file so that I could get a better grasp of the syntax, I would be very grateful. Other suggestions are welcome as well, of course - as I said, perhaps best off-list. If others are interested, I could later post a summary of all gathered information to the list. Best regards, Birgit Kellner From mitraara at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Mon Apr 21 01:45:25 2003 From: mitraara at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (Mitra Ara) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 03 18:45:25 -0700 Subject: Fw: H-Asia: Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity Message-ID: <161227072603.23782.12688334542888444251.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> In response to Joanna's question on the concept of hell in Indo-Iranian religions, Zoroastrianism in particular, I like to offer few words. It is believed that Zoroaster was the first to teach the doctrines of the Last Judgment, Resurrection, and Heaven and Hell. These doctrines became familiar articles of faith to mankind through borrowings by Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. The concepts of Hell and Heaven occupy a noticeable chapter in Zoroaster's thought. Zoroaster describes hell as a place of torment: "the dwelling-place of Worst Purpose", where the wicked soul endures a "long age misery, of darkness, ill food and the crying of woe", (Avesta,Yasht 32.13 & 31.20). Hell is also described as "worst Existence", "House of the Lies", "House of the Worst Purpose". Mitra Ara Ph. D. Student South Asian Studies UC Berkeley, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "jkirk" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Fw: H-Asia: Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity > I wonder what the experts on this list think of this hypotehsis? I find it > odd--what is known if anything about Indo-Iranian pre-zoroastrian hells? > What would be meant here by "Indo-Iranian" anyway? Vedic? I'm not aware > that early zoroastrian religion elaborated complex hells as did Indian > religion at a later time. My guess is that Buddhist hells were simply > incorporated from Hindu hells. > Any answers? > Thanks, Joanna K. > =============================== > > > H-ASIA > > ********************** > > From: Karil Kucera > > > > In response to Hugh Clark's thoughts on Mahayana Buddhism and hells in > > East Asia, one article which [if I recall correctly] proposes an > > Indo-Iranian source for both the Western and Eastern traditions is by > > Duyvendak. I don't have the specific article at hand, so my apologies > > in advance if this is not the correct citation. > > > > > > Duyvendak, J.J.L. A Chinese "Divina Commedia". T'oung Pao, 41 (1952), > > pp. 255-316. > > > > Karil Kucera, PhD > > Luce Assistant Professor of East Asian Visual Culture > > Depts of Asian Studies and Art & Art History > > St Olaf College > > Northfield, MN 55057 > > 507.646.3129 > From a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT Mon Apr 21 13:24:51 2003 From: a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT (Alex Passi) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 03 15:24:51 +0200 Subject: query: dvarapala puja In-Reply-To: <1540000.1050765503@linux.local> Message-ID: <161227072605.23782.15682602152387112795.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, In the SaptazatI MS (17th-18th century) belonging to the Tessitori Collection in Udine, the older part - the last two folios being far more recent - ends with a brief series of numbered mantra-s of unequal length terminating in " Iti duArapAlapUjAH 14 // " [sic]. These lines come after the first ten (incomplete) stanzas of the Laghustotra, which in turn immediately follow the text of the devI-mAhAtmya proper. These "dvArapAla-PUjA" mantra-s appear to be set quite some ways apart (the number of misreadings is much higher) from the previous sections, though the handwriting is not all that much later. Does anyone know if they are to be found elsewhere? They do not figure in any of the DM editions I have within my reach, and I am wondering just how consistent with the DM is their inclusion in the MS. With my very best regards, Alex Passi From rmanring at INDIANA.EDU Fri Apr 25 13:26:58 2003 From: rmanring at INDIANA.EDU (Manring, Rebecca) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 03 08:26:58 -0500 Subject: FW: position announcement Message-ID: <161227072612.23782.11546296659953049180.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Indiana University, Bloomington, Department of Religious Studies, announces a one year, non-tenure track position for 2003-04, with the possibility of renewal for 2004-05. Area of specialization: Buddhism, with a focus on South Asia preferred. Annual teaching responsibilities include 4 courses a year. Applications should include a cover letter, current c.v.; three letters of recommendation; and sample teaching syllabi, if available. Applicants with teaching experience and Ph.D. degree in hand by the fall of 2003 will be given preference. Please send materials by June 1 to the Buddhism Search Committee, Department of Religious Studies, Sycamore 230, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. Indiana University is an equal opportunity employer. Rebecca J. Manring India Studies and Religious Studies Indiana University From navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 25 10:58:39 2003 From: navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM (jagan nadh) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 03 10:58:39 +0000 Subject: query: dvarapala puja Message-ID: <161227072607.23782.10905126916967328108.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >From: Alex Passi >Reply-To: Indology >To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >Subject: query: dvarapala puja >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:24:51 +0200 > >Dear Colleagues, > >In the SaptazatI MS (17th-18th century) belonging to the Tessitori >Collection in Udine, the older part - the last two folios being far >more recent - ends with a brief series of numbered mantra-s of >unequal length terminating in " Iti duArapAlapUjAH 14 // " [sic]. >These lines come after the first ten (incomplete) stanzas of the >Laghustotra, which in turn immediately follow the text of the >devI-mAhAtmya proper. >These "dvArapAla-PUjA" mantra-s appear to be set quite some ways >apart (the number of misreadings is much higher) from the previous >sections, though the handwriting is not all that much later. Does >anyone know if they are to be found elsewhere? They do not figure in >any of the DM editions I have within my reach, and I am wondering >just how consistent with the DM is their inclusion in the MS. > >With my very best regards, > >Alex Passi Friend Ishll make comment on the topic after having a proper referance to Devimahatmya and Laghu Stotra.I cant follow wht MD which indicated in your mail.Youcan expect my replay soon. jaganadhan.G ,reserch scholor Department of Sanskrit university of Kerala.Kariavatom _________________________________________________________________ What is SARS? Find out! http://server1.msn.co.in/completecoverage/sars/ Be informed. From navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 25 11:09:42 2003 From: navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM (jagan nadh) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 03 11:09:42 +0000 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227072609.23782.13349136968081679308.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >From: Juergen Neuss >Reply-To: Indology >To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:37:23 +0200 > >mail Tankyou for sending a mail .Youare also welcome . Jaganadh.g reserch scholor Department of sankrit University of Kerala ,Kariavattom Campus ,kerala India,Thiruvananthapuram.E mail - navadipanyaya @hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Find old batchmates. Renew lost friendship. http://www.batchmates.com/msn.asp Right here! From Toke_Knudsen at BROWN.EDU Fri Apr 25 16:55:18 2003 From: Toke_Knudsen at BROWN.EDU (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 03 12:55:18 -0400 Subject: Bhagavata Purana Message-ID: <161227072616.23782.1982494563202819546.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dr. Fosse, There is a PDF version of the Bhagatavapurana available at this URL: http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_purana/doc_purana.html With all best wishes, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Fri Apr 25 16:46:05 2003 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 03 18:46:05 +0200 Subject: Bhagavata Purana Message-ID: <161227072614.23782.3099502704497918047.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear members of the list, A couple of years ago (I think) I downloaded a PDF file with a Devanagari version of the Bhagavatapurana. However, this file I have lost, and I am now unable to locate its place of origin. Would any of you know where it can be found? Best regards, Lars Martin Fosse Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax: +47 22 32 12 19 E-mail: lmfosse at online.no From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU Sat Apr 26 09:19:49 2003 From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 03 12:19:49 +0300 Subject: Devi-Bhagavata Purana In-Reply-To: <200304251655.h3PGtIE01114@perseus.services.brown.edu> Message-ID: <161227072618.23782.3206219707768113421.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, Dr. Knudsen's answer to Dr.Fosse's question gave me the idea to put a question of my own: has anybody seen in the Web an electronic version of the DEVI-BHAGAVATA Purana? Yaroslav Vassilkov Fri, 25 Apr 103 19:55 +0300 MSK Toke Lindegaard Knudsen wrote to INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk: > Dear Dr. Fosse, > > There is a PDF version of the Bhagatavapurana available at this URL: > > http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_purana/doc_purana.html > > With all best wishes, > Toke Lindegaard Knudsen > --- Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu) Institute of Oriental Studies Sat, 26 Apr 103 12:13 +0300 MSK From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU Sat Apr 26 09:32:24 2003 From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 03 12:32:24 +0300 Subject: one more query Message-ID: <161227072620.23782.10768909191099732579.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, could anybody give me the e-mail address of Dr. Bridgit Allchin? Many thanks in advance. Yaroslav Vassilkov --- Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu) Institute of Oriental Studies Sat, 26 Apr 103 12:22 +0300 MSK From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET Sat Apr 26 12:55:17 2003 From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 03 13:55:17 +0100 Subject: one more query In-Reply-To: <2003Apr26.123224@YV1041.spb.edu> Message-ID: <161227072622.23782.5858402927589099955.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> You can contact her via Indiran at aol.com. (For other contact information, see the website of the Ancient India and Iran Trust ) Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK >Dear colleagues, > could anybody give me the e-mail address of Dr. Bridgit Allchin? > Many thanks in advance. > Yaroslav Vassilkov >--- >Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu) >Institute of Oriental Studies >Sat, 26 Apr 103 12:22 +0300 MSK From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 26 14:24:56 2003 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 03 16:24:56 +0200 Subject: Some more help Message-ID: <161227072625.23782.11898095791494971445.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear members of the list, I have been trying to find an Internet site which gives the contents of the various puranas. The contents should not be too long, but not too sketchy either. So far, I have not had much luck. Can anybody help me? Best regards, Lars Martin Fosse Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax: +47 22 32 12 19 E-mail: lmfosse at online.no From hhhock at UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU Mon Apr 28 16:28:30 2003 From: hhhock at UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU (Hans Henrich Hock) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 11:28:30 -0500 Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072629.23782.9966177386293045543.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Fellow Indologists, As some of you may know, there is now a concerted effort by members and sympathizers of the Sangh Parivar to get Professor Thapar's Kluge Chair at the Library of Congress rescinded and to nominate Koenraad Elst instead. See the two excerpts from the WAVES list below. The attacks on Professor Thapar are, as usual, vicious and without any scholarly foundation. However, to judge by what happened last year, when a screening of Anand Patwardhan's documentaries in New York was (temporarily) canceled because of a right-wing signature campaign, we should probably not take this attack lightly. I would encourage all of our members to let the Library of Congress know that we support Professor Thapar's appointment and strongly deplore the right-wing signature campaign against her. I know, we are trying to keep politics off our list, and with good reason. This, however, is an attack on academic freedom and on scholarship in general. So I hope I have your indulgence in bringing this particular issue to your attention. Best wishes, Hans Henrich Hock **************************** WAVES list, "Digest Number 145" Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jai Bharat Mata Subject: Save ancient Bharat It is a great travesty that Romila Thapar has been appointed the first holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at the Library of Congress. In regards to India, she is an avowed antagonist of India's Hindu civilization. As a well-known Marxist, she represents a completely Euro-centric world view. I fail to see how she can be the correct choice to represent India's ancient history and civilization. She completely disavows that India ever had a history. Just as the Europeans discredited the American Indian's land claims by ignoring that they represented a unique civilization with a wholesome variety of distinct linguistic and cultural traits, Thapar has long expounded the same ignorant view of India's unique history and civilization. The ongoing campaign by Romila Thapar and others to discredit Hindu civilization is a war of cultural genocide. By your unfortunate selection of R.Thapar for the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at the Library of Congress, America is now aiding and abbeting this effort. The result of her "Historical Consciousness in Early India" is already a foregone conclusion. She will of course attempt to show that Early India had no historical consciousness. Why waste our American resources on a Marxist idealogical assault on Hindu civilization?Hinduism is the world's most ancient, ongoing and largest cultural phenonmenon. Such a long lived civilization surely has alot to teach the world. So why support its denigration? As a Friend of India, I protest this appointment. Sincerely, The Undersigned http://www.petitiononline.com/108india/petition.html ************************************************* From WAVES list, Digest Number 147 (note especially second excerpt) Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 03:30:10 -0000 From: "mkelkar2003" Subject: Romila Thapar's appointment to Library of Congress opposed Romila Thapar's appointment to Library of Congress opposed April 25, 2003 05:33 IST A petition is circulating on the Internet against the appointment of Professor Romila Thapar as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at the Library of Congress. The petitioners allege that she is a Marxist and anti-Hindu and it is a waste of US money to support a Leftist. The Librarian of Congress, James H Billington, appointed Thapar last week and she has already started work, Robert Saladini, a spokesperson for the library, said. He said he has no information on the petition. The petition can be viewed at: http://www.petitiononline.com/108india/petition.html The holder of the chair, which is located in the John W Kluge Center of the Library of Congress, pursues research on the regions of Africa, Latin America, West Asia, South and Southeast Asia, or the islands of the Pacific including Australia and New Zealand, using the immense foreign language collections in the specialised reading rooms of the Library of Congress. Thapar will spend ten months at the John W Kluge Center pursuing 'Historical Consciousness in Early India' as her area of research. Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, who has served as visiting professor at Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania, is an authority on Indian history. The author of many seminal works on the history of ancient India, her volume of the 'Penguin History of India' has been continuously in print since 1966. Her latest publication is 'Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300'. Other recent works are 'History and Beyond' and 'Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian History'. She has held many visiting posts in Europe, the United States and Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, and at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. She has honorary doctorates from the University of Chicago, the Institute National des Langues et Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the University of Oxford and the University of Calcutta. Through a generous endowment from John W Kluge, the Library of Congress established the center in 2000 to bring together the world's best thinkers to stimulate, energise, and distil wisdom from the library's rich resources and to interact with policy makers in Washington, DC. The center houses five senior Kluge Chairs. The petitioners say: "It is a great travesty that Romila Thapar has been appointed the first holder of the Kluge Chair. "In regards to India, she is an avowed antagonist of India's Hindu civilization as a well-known Marxist. She represents a completely Euro-centric worldview. I fail to see how she can be the correct choice to represent India's ancient history and civilization. "She completely disavows that India ever had a history. The ongoing campaign by Romila Thapar and others to discredit Hindu civilization is a war of cultural genocide. By your unfortunate selection of Thapar, America is now aiding and abetting this effort." The petition has 133 signatures already. One of the signatories, Hari Singh, said: "The comments from Ms Thapar are disgusting and are reflection of her ignorance of Indian History." Venkatesh, another signatory, commented, "It's a shame to the USA & Indian govt. that a Communist like Romila Thapar is having a free run." ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:05:38 -0000 From: "mkelkar2003" Subject: Online petition to Support Dr. Koenraad Elst for the Kluge Chair An online petition to Support Dr. Koenraad Elst for the Kluge Chair http://www.petitiononline.com/elst1959/petition.html ************************************************************* >April 17, 2003 > >Romila Thapar Named as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and >Cultures of the South at Library of Congress > >Librarian of Congress James H. Billington has appointed Romila Thapar as >the first holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the >South at the Library of Congress. The holder of this chair, which is >located in the John W. Kluge Center of the Library of Congress, pursues >research on the regions of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, South >and Southeast Asia, or the islands of the Pacific including Australia >and New Zealand, using the immense foreign language collections in the >specialized reading rooms of the Library of Congress. > >As occupant of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South, >Thapar will spend ten months at the John W. Kluge Center pursuing >"Historical Consciousness in Early India" as her area of research. > >Romila Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at >Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, who has served as visiting >professor at Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania, is a >recognized authority on Indian history. The author of many seminal works >on the history of ancient India, her volume of the Penguin History of >India has been continuously in print since 1966. Her latest publication >is "Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300." Other recent works are >"History and Beyond," "Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian History," >and "History and Beyond." In her published works, Thapar has pioneered >both the study of early Indian texts as history and the integration of >the critical use of archaeology with written sources. > >During her illustrious career, Thapar has held many visiting posts in >Europe, the United States and Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at Lady >Margaret Hall, Oxford, and at the School of Oriental and African Studies >(SOAS), University of London. She has honorary doctorates from the >University of Chicago, the Institut National des Langues et >Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the University of Oxford and the >University of Calcutta. > >Through a generous endowment from its namesake, the Library of Congress >established the John W. Kluge Center in 2000 to bring together the >world's best thinkers to stimulate, energize, and distill wisdom from >the Library's rich resources and to interact with policymakers in >Washington, D.C. The Kluge Center houses five senior Kluge Chairs >(American Law and Governance, Countries and Cultures of the North, >Countries and Cultures of the South, Technology and Society, and Modern >Culture); other senior-level chairs (Henry A. Kissinger Chair, Cary and >Ann Maguire Chair in American History and Ethics, and the Harissios >Papamarkou Chair in Education); and nearly 25 post-doctoral fellows. > >For more information about the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of >the South or any of the other fellowships and grants offered by the John >W. Kluge Center, contact the Office of Scholarly Programs, Library of >Congress, 101 Independence Avenue S.E, Washington, DC 20540-4860; >telephone (202) 707-3302, fax 202-707-3595. > >John W. Kluge Center website: www.loc.gov/kluge > >Contact: >Helen Dalrymple (202) 707-1940 >Robert Saladini (202) 707-2692 From gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE Mon Apr 28 11:39:20 2003 From: gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 11:39:20 +0000 Subject: Bhagavata Purana / Devibhagavata In-Reply-To: <000101c30b4a$2e068310$16d74382@Winston> Message-ID: <161227072627.23782.11967630027404621032.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> This may come a little late (I was away for a while), but anyway: For the Bhagavata-Purana see GRETIL: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm#Pur (various formats and external links) As for the Devibhagavata, I'm not aware of any electronic version. By the way, if you wish to contribute e-texts to GRETIL, or if you know of download sites / e-texts that are not registered in GRETIL, please let me know. Best regards Reinhold Gr?nendahl ******************************************************************** Dr. Reinhold Gruenendahl Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien (Dept. of Indology) 37070 G?ttingen, Germany Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83 Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61 gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindolo.htm In English: http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindole.htm GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm From Sumit_Guha at BROWN.EDU Mon Apr 28 21:11:39 2003 From: Sumit_Guha at BROWN.EDU (Sumit Guha) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 17:11:39 -0400 Subject: Seeking email Dr Garzilli Message-ID: <161227072633.23782.14988248272750882329.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Colleagues, I hope one of you may be able to supply a current email for Dr Enrica Garzilli. Google has yielded obsolete email addresses, and even the two on the web-site of the Journal of Tantric Studies she edits have turned out to be incorrect. Thank you for your help, Sumit Guha From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU Mon Apr 28 21:20:22 2003 From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 17:20:22 -0400 Subject: Seeking email Dr Garzilli In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072636.23782.13557810658094747291.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> My last email from her was in January 03, when her address was: David Magier > Colleagues, I hope one of you may be able to supply a current email for Dr > Enrica Garzilli. Google has yielded obsolete email addresses, and even the > two on the web-site of the Journal of Tantric Studies she edits have turned > out to be incorrect. > > Thank you for your help, > Sumit Guha From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU Mon Apr 28 21:11:34 2003 From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 00:11:34 +0300 Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072631.23782.10634011504705098548.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Hock, I am sure it is obvious for the most of us on this list that Professor Romila Thapar is one of the best contemporary historians of India. Had she any Marxist sympathies in the past, or not, she produced, no doubt, many times more insights and new concepts bearing on Indian history and culture than all 133 petitioners against her appointment to a Kluge Chair at the Library of Congress could ever dream of. So for me there is just one question: shall we sign a joint petition or could you let me know an e-mail address where I could send my letter in support of Professor Thapar's appointment? Best regards, Yaroslav Vassilkov From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 29 07:12:07 2003 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 09:12:07 +0200 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072638.23782.15973771496740367347.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear members of the list, Given that the United States right now has a right-wing government, any intervention in this case should be couched in careful language. Otherwise, ignorant republican senators and congressmen might draw the conclusion that you are just a bunch of leftists trying to keep an honest conservative out of the job. Best regards, Lars Martin Fosse Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax: +47 850 21 250 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 E-mail: lmfosse at online.no From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU Tue Apr 29 17:04:13 2003 From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 10:04:13 -0700 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: <000f01c30e1e$a7024f20$b8464382@Winston> Message-ID: <161227072648.23782.10683119295177875294.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> May we PLEASE limit this incarnation of Indology to issues of academics and scholarship? -- Jonathan Silk Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures Center for Buddhist Studies UCLA 290 Royce Hall Box 951540 Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540 phone: (310)206-8235 fax: (310)825-8808 silk at humnet.ucla.edu From garzilli at ASIATICA.ORG Tue Apr 29 09:16:09 2003 From: garzilli at ASIATICA.ORG (Enrica Garzilli) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 11:16:09 +0200 Subject: Seeking email Dr Garzilli Message-ID: <161227072640.23782.3574011232916566926.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Under the premises that I should update my Google's email address, the request of Prof. Guha, and other colleagues whose msgs are fwd to me by others, gives me the opportunity to repeat that my new email address is garzilli at asiatica.org Moreover, at the bottom of every single Asiatica Association, IJTS & IJTS page it is written: ?1995-2002 Asiatica Association. All Rights Reserved site development L. Magnocavallo / site comments E. Garzilli It is enough to click on my name to write me. On the top right corner of the main page of the Asiatica Association there is also our full address, phone (+ 39 02 76011736) and fax (+ 39 02 700511864). Thank you for your interest. best, eg ***************************** Dr. Enrica Garzilli Uni. of Macerata Editor-in-chief, IJTS & JSAWS Asiatica Association www.asiatica.org ***************************** From rmanring at INDIANA.EDU Tue Apr 29 17:02:04 2003 From: rmanring at INDIANA.EDU (Manring, Rebecca) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 12:02:04 -0500 Subject: Hindi ebooks Message-ID: <161227072646.23782.3696756588066921421.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/ Rebecca J. Manring India Studies and Religious Studies Indiana University -----Original Message----- From: Lars Martin Fosse [mailto:lmfosse at ONLINE.NO] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:59 AM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Hindi ebooks Dear members of the list, Are any of you familiar with a site where I could get ebooks in Hindi and an electronic Hindi-English dictionary? Lars Martin Fosse Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax: +47 850 21 250 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 E-mail: lmfosse at online.no From silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU Tue Apr 29 20:21:27 2003 From: silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Jonathan Silk) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 13:21:27 -0700 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072657.23782.18080808364228547014.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >Humbly: doesn't the academic and intellectual freedom of a noted Indian >historian (and threats to that freedom) meet the suggested subject >criteria? > >David Magier > Please tell me the academic value or contribution to intellectual freedom offered by the following: Given that the United States right now has a right-wing government, any intervention in this case should be couched in careful language. Otherwise, ignorant republican senators and congressmen might draw the conclusion that you are just a bunch of leftists trying to keep an honest conservative out of the job. My fear is that this *type* thing will quickly degenerate into the polemics that drove Indology out of business once (? at least once) before. I suggest that any further exchanges on this issue should be carried on off-list. -- Jonathan Silk Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures Center for Buddhist Studies UCLA 290 Royce Hall Box 951540 Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540 phone: (310)206-8235 fax: (310)825-8808 silk at humnet.ucla.edu From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU Tue Apr 29 17:25:17 2003 From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 13:25:17 -0400 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072652.23782.10483337884098046464.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Humbly: doesn't the academic and intellectual freedom of a noted Indian historian (and threats to that freedom) meet the suggested subject criteria? David Magier > May we PLEASE limit this incarnation of Indology to issues of > academics and scholarship? > -- > > Jonathan Silk > Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures > Center for Buddhist Studies > UCLA > 290 Royce Hall > Box 951540 > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540 > phone: (310)206-8235 > fax: (310)825-8808 > silk at humnet.ucla.edu > From hwtull at MSN.COM Tue Apr 29 17:45:49 2003 From: hwtull at MSN.COM (Herman Tull) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 13:45:49 -0400 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress Message-ID: <161227072654.23782.965282214755935636.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Yes! Without question. Herman Tull ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Magier" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Re: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress > Humbly: doesn't the academic and intellectual freedom of a noted Indian > historian (and threats to that freedom) meet the suggested subject > criteria? > > David Magier > > > May we PLEASE limit this incarnation of Indology to issues of > > academics and scholarship? > > -- > > > > Jonathan Silk > > Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures > > Center for Buddhist Studies > > UCLA > > 290 Royce Hall > > Box 951540 > > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540 > > phone: (310)206-8235 > > fax: (310)825-8808 > > silk at humnet.ucla.edu > > > From j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM Tue Apr 29 21:01:38 2003 From: j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 14:01:38 -0700 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072662.23782.15335398017563793507.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> May I take the liberty to draw the list members' attention to the Scope and Guidelines of the List and especially to the phrase: "List members are discouraged from posting messages that are not part of a discourse on indology" Note also the phrase "Members who violate these standards will be warned and may have their membership privileges suspended or revoked if the behaviour continues." Since the basic data are now available to the entire readership of the list I think those interested will stay on the safe side by continuing the discussion on the Kluge Chair off-list. Best regards, Jan Houben --- Jonathan Silk wrote: > >Humbly: doesn't the academic and intellectual > freedom of a noted Indian > >historian (and threats to that freedom) meet > the suggested subject > >criteria? > > > >David Magier > > > Please tell me the academic value or > contribution to intellectual > freedom offered by the following: > > Given that the United States right now has a > right-wing government, any > intervention in this case should be couched in > careful language. > Otherwise, ignorant republican senators and > congressmen might draw the > conclusion that you are just a bunch of > leftists trying to keep an > honest conservative out of the job. > > > My fear is that this *type* thing will quickly > degenerate into the > polemics that drove Indology out of business > once (? at least once) > before. > > I suggest that any further exchanges on this > issue should be carried > on off-list. > -- > > Jonathan Silk > Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures > Center for Buddhist Studies > UCLA > 290 Royce Hall > Box 951540 > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540 > phone: (310)206-8235 > fax: (310)825-8808 > silk at humnet.ucla.edu ===== Professor Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, ? la Sorbonne, 45-47, rue des ?coles, 75005 Paris -- France. J_E_M_Houben at yahoo.com J.E.M.Houben at let.leidenuniv.nl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Apr 29 20:56:23 2003 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 16:56:23 -0400 Subject: Romila Thapar Appointment Protest Petition Message-ID: <161227072660.23782.10727003732332098282.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I have been authorized to forward this official statement from the Director of Scholarly Programs at the Library of Congress about Professor Thapar's appointment. Allen Thrasher Senior Reference Librarian Asian Division Library of Congress Statement: We acknowledge the emails, faxes, and telephone calls from many people who have been in touch with us either to question or to support the appointment of Professor Romila Thapar to a Kluge Chair at the Library of Congress. We are aware that there is an email petition circulating on the internet alleging that her scholarship is political propaganda. We also have been in receipt of a large number of testimonials from noted scholars of Indian history in the United States and abroad supporting the appointment of Professor Thapar. The volume of email is such that we are not able to acknowledge each message individually. In brief, our response is that we are most pleased to have an Indian historian of Professor Thapar's distinction with us at the Library of Congress. Her many books already in the collections of the Library of Congress testify that her work is sympathetic to the ancient Indian and Hindu historical and cultural traditions in highlighting their variegated and undogmatic quality, and in making clear the complexity of Indian civilization. Prosser Gifford Director of Scholarly Programs Library of Congress From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 29 16:58:58 2003 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 18:58:58 +0200 Subject: Hindi ebooks Message-ID: <161227072644.23782.18134694772885116780.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear members of the list, Are any of you familiar with a site where I could get ebooks in Hindi and an electronic Hindi-English dictionary? Lars Martin Fosse Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax: +47 850 21 250 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 E-mail: lmfosse at online.no From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 29 17:11:03 2003 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 19:11:03 +0200 Subject: SV: Hindi ebooks In-Reply-To: <6044944ACF123944AF79AADBA249400F9648AF@iu-mssg-mbx06.exchange.iu.edu> Message-ID: <161227072650.23782.9629127186532825148.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> THANKS! That was fast. Lars Martin Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax: +47 850 21 250 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 E-mail: lmfosse at online.no > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] P? vegne av > Manring, Rebecca > Sendt: 29. april 2003 19:02 > Til: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Emne: Re: Hindi ebooks > > > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/ > > Rebecca J. Manring > India Studies and Religious Studies > Indiana University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Martin Fosse [mailto:lmfosse at ONLINE.NO] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:59 AM > To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk > Subject: Hindi ebooks > > Dear members of the list, > > Are any of you familiar with a site where I could get ebooks > in Hindi and an electronic Hindi-English dictionary? > > Lars Martin Fosse > > Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse > Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, > 0674 Oslo > Norway > Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 > Fax: +47 850 21 250 > Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 > E-mail: lmfosse at online.no > > From swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM Tue Apr 29 15:47:43 2003 From: swantam at ASIANETINDIA.COM (Maheswaran Nair) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 20:47:43 +0500 Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress Message-ID: <161227072642.23782.18099779209093519845.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dr.Hock, I remember our meeting at Vienna in 1990 at the WSC. I am sure that the concerted effort by members and sympathizers of the Sangh Parivar to get Professor Thapar's Kluge Chair at the Library of Congress rescinded and to nominate Koenraad Elst instead, has to be defeated.What am I to do in this connection? To whom shall I inform the fact that Dr.Romila Thaper is the correct person to hold that post?Let this discussion be forwarded to those concerned. K.Maheswaran Nair Professor of Sanskrit and Director Centre for Vedanta Studies University of Kerala Trivandrum, Kerala, India. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Henrich Hock Date: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:58 pm Subject: Re: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress > Dear Fellow Indologists, > > As some of you may know, there is now a concerted effort by members > and sympathizers of the Sangh Parivar to get Professor Thapar's Kluge > Chair at the Library of Congress rescinded and to nominate Koenraad > Elst instead. See the two excerpts from the WAVES list below. The > attacks on Professor Thapar are, as usual, vicious and without any > scholarly foundation. However, to judge by what happened last year, > when a screening of Anand Patwardhan's documentaries in New York was > (temporarily) canceled because of a right-wing signature campaign, we > should probably not take this attack lightly. I would encourage all > of our members to let the Library of Congress know that we support > Professor Thapar's appointment and strongly deplore the right-wing > signature campaign against her. > > I know, we are trying to keep politics off our list, and with good > reason. This, however, is an attack on academic freedom and on > scholarship in general. So I hope I have your indulgence in bringing > this particular issue to your attention. > > Best wishes, > > Hans Henrich Hock > > > **************************** > WAVES list, "Digest Number 145" > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:24:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jai Bharat Mata > Subject: Save ancient Bharat > > > It is a great travesty that Romila > Thapar has been appointed the first holder of the Kluge Chair in > Countries and Cultures of the South at the Library of > Congress. > > In regards to India, she is an avowed antagonist of > India's Hindu civilization. As a well-known Marxist, > she represents a completely Euro-centric world view. > I fail to see how she can be the correct choice to > represent India's ancient history and civilization. > She completely disavows that India ever had a history. > > > Just as the Europeans discredited the American > Indian's land claims by ignoring that they represented > a unique civilization with a wholesome variety of > distinct linguistic and cultural traits, Thapar has > long expounded the same ignorant view of India's > unique history and civilization. > > The ongoing campaign by Romila Thapar and others to > discredit Hindu civilization is a war of cultural > genocide. By your unfortunate selection of R.Thapar > for the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the > South at the Library of Congress, America is now aiding and > abbeting this effort. > > The result of her "Historical Consciousness in Early > India" is already a foregone conclusion. She will of > course attempt to show that Early India had no > historical consciousness. > > Why waste our American resources on a > Marxist idealogical assault on Hindu > civilization?Hinduism is the world's most ancient, > ongoing and largest cultural phenonmenon. Such a long > lived civilization surely has alot to teach the world. > So why support its denigration? As a Friend of India, I > protest this appointment. > > Sincerely, > The Undersigned > > > > http://www.petitiononline.com/108india/petition.html > > > ************************************************* > > From WAVES list, Digest Number 147 (note especially second excerpt) > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 03:30:10 -0000 > From: "mkelkar2003" > Subject: Romila Thapar's appointment to Library of Congress opposed > > Romila Thapar's appointment to > Library of Congress opposed > > April 25, 2003 05:33 IST > > A petition is circulating on the Internet against the appointment of > Professor Romila Thapar as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in > Countries and Cultures of the South at the Library of Congress. > > The petitioners allege that she is a Marxist and anti-Hindu and it is > a waste of US money to support a Leftist. > > The Librarian of Congress, James H Billington, appointed Thapar last > week and she has already started work, Robert Saladini, a spokesperson > for the library, said. He said he has no information on the petition. > > The petition can be viewed at: > http://www.petitiononline.com/108india/petition.html > > The holder of the chair, which is located in the John W Kluge Center > of the Library of Congress, pursues research on the regions of Africa, > Latin America, West Asia, South and Southeast Asia, or the islands of > the Pacific including Australia and New Zealand, using the immense > foreign language collections in the specialised reading rooms of the > Library of Congress. > > Thapar will spend ten months at the John W Kluge Center pursuing > 'Historical Consciousness in Early India' as her area of research. > > Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at Jawaharlal > Nehru University in New Delhi, who has served as visiting > professor at > Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania, is an authority > on Indian history. > > The author of many seminal works on the history of ancient India, her > volume of the 'Penguin History of India' has been continuously in > print since 1966. Her latest publication is 'Early India: From the > Origins to AD 1300'. Other recent works are 'History and Beyond' and > 'Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian History'. > > She has held many visiting posts in Europe, the United States and > Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, > and at > the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. She > has honorary doctorates from the University of Chicago, the Institute > National des Langues et Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the > University of Oxford and the University of Calcutta. > > Through a generous endowment from John W Kluge, the Library of > Congress established the center in 2000 to bring together the world's > best thinkers to stimulate, energise, and distil wisdom from the > library's rich resources and to interact with policy makers in > Washington, DC. > > The center houses five senior Kluge Chairs. > > The petitioners say: "It is a great travesty that Romila Thapar has > been appointed the first holder of the Kluge Chair. > > "In regards to India, she is an avowed antagonist of India's Hindu > civilization as a well-known Marxist. She represents a completely > Euro-centric worldview. I fail to see how she can be the correct > choice to represent India's ancient history and civilization. > > "She completely disavows that India ever had a history. The ongoing > campaign by Romila Thapar and others to discredit Hindu civilization > is a war of cultural genocide. By your unfortunate selection of > Thapar, America is now aiding and abetting this effort." > > The petition has 133 signatures already. One of the signatories, Hari > Singh, said: "The comments from Ms Thapar are disgusting and are > reflection of her ignorance of Indian History." > > Venkatesh, another signatory, commented, "It's a shame to the USA & > Indian govt. that a Communist like Romila Thapar is having a free > run." > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:05:38 -0000 > From: "mkelkar2003" > Subject: Online petition to Support Dr. Koenraad Elst for the > Kluge Chair > > An online petition to Support Dr. Koenraad Elst for the Kluge Chair > > http://www.petitiononline.com/elst1959/petition.html > > > ************************************************************* > > > > >April 17, 2003 > > > >Romila Thapar Named as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in > Countries and > >Cultures of the South at Library of Congress > > > >Librarian of Congress James H. Billington has appointed Romila > Thapar as > >the first holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the > >South at the Library of Congress. The holder of this chair, which is > >located in the John W. Kluge Center of the Library of Congress, > pursues>research on the regions of Africa, Latin America, the > Middle East, South > >and Southeast Asia, or the islands of the Pacific including Australia > >and New Zealand, using the immense foreign language collections > in the > >specialized reading rooms of the Library of Congress. > > > >As occupant of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the > South,>Thapar will spend ten months at the John W. Kluge Center > pursuing>"Historical Consciousness in Early India" as her area of > research.> > >Romila Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at > >Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, who has served as visiting > >professor at Cornell University and the University of > Pennsylvania, is a > >recognized authority on Indian history. The author of many > seminal works > >on the history of ancient India, her volume of the Penguin > History of > >India has been continuously in print since 1966. Her latest > publication>is "Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300." Other > recent works are > >"History and Beyond," "Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian > History,">and "History and Beyond." In her published works, Thapar > has pioneered > >both the study of early Indian texts as history and the > integration of > >the critical use of archaeology with written sources. > > > >During her illustrious career, Thapar has held many visiting > posts in > >Europe, the United States and Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at > Lady>Margaret Hall, Oxford, and at the School of Oriental and > African Studies > >(SOAS), University of London. She has honorary doctorates from the > >University of Chicago, the Institut National des Langues et > >Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the University of Oxford and the > >University of Calcutta. > > > >Through a generous endowment from its namesake, the Library of > Congress>established the John W. Kluge Center in 2000 to bring > together the > >world's best thinkers to stimulate, energize, and distill wisdom from > >the Library's rich resources and to interact with policymakers in > >Washington, D.C. The Kluge Center houses five senior Kluge Chairs > >(American Law and Governance, Countries and Cultures of the North, > >Countries and Cultures of the South, Technology and Society, and > Modern>Culture); other senior-level chairs (Henry A. Kissinger > Chair, Cary and > >Ann Maguire Chair in American History and Ethics, and the Harissios > >Papamarkou Chair in Education); and nearly 25 post-doctoral fellows. > > > >For more information about the Kluge Chair in Countries and > Cultures of > >the South or any of the other fellowships and grants offered by > the John > >W. Kluge Center, contact the Office of Scholarly Programs, > Library of > >Congress, 101 Independence Avenue S.E, Washington, DC 20540-4860; > >telephone (202) 707-3302, fax 202-707-3595. > > > >John W. Kluge Center website: www.loc.gov/kluge > > > >Contact: > >Helen Dalrymple (202) 707-1940 > >Robert Saladini (202) 707-2692 > From gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Apr 30 02:50:29 2003 From: gthomgt at ADELPHIA.NET (George Thompson) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 03 22:50:29 -0400 Subject: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress In-Reply-To: <20030429210138.14616.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161227072664.23782.10560324715097195837.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear List, While I find myself in great sympathy with Jonathan Silk and Jan Houben, who want to preserve this list, as a forum for scholarly discussion, from excessive politicization, I myself have seen no violations of the list's guidelines. I also think that the defense of Indology against political attacks like this current one, put forward as far as I can tell by a group with no scholarly competence whatsoever, is, or should be, an acceptable part of Indological discourse. Unlike previous versions of this list, this version has been moderated, and its members are disciplined as well as well-informed scholars. As far as I can see, there is little danger of this discussion becoming just another hysterical shouting match like those that used to occur regularly on the previous list. An attack on Romila Thapar is an attack on Indology. As an Indologist, I think that she, and our discipline, should be defended from such viciousness. And as a private person living in a nation governed illicitly by a fascist minority, I choose not to stay on the safe side. Best wishes, George Thompson -----Original Message----- From: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Jan E.M. Houben Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:02 PM To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: SV: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress May I take the liberty to draw the list members' attention to the Scope and Guidelines of the List and especially to the phrase: "List members are discouraged from posting messages that are not part of a discourse on indology" Note also the phrase "Members who violate these standards will be warned and may have their membership privileges suspended or revoked if the behaviour continues." Since the basic data are now available to the entire readership of the list I think those interested will stay on the safe side by continuing the discussion on the Kluge Chair off-list. Best regards, Jan Houben --- Jonathan Silk wrote: > >Humbly: doesn't the academic and intellectual > freedom of a noted Indian > >historian (and threats to that freedom) meet > the suggested subject > >criteria? > > > >David Magier > > > Please tell me the academic value or > contribution to intellectual > freedom offered by the following: > > Given that the United States right now has a > right-wing government, any > intervention in this case should be couched in > careful language. > Otherwise, ignorant republican senators and > congressmen might draw the > conclusion that you are just a bunch of > leftists trying to keep an > honest conservative out of the job. > > > My fear is that this *type* thing will quickly > degenerate into the > polemics that drove Indology out of business > once (? at least once) > before. > > I suggest that any further exchanges on this > issue should be carried > on off-list. > -- > > Jonathan Silk > Department of East Asian Languages & Cultures > Center for Buddhist Studies > UCLA > 290 Royce Hall > Box 951540 > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540 > phone: (310)206-8235 > fax: (310)825-8808 > silk at humnet.ucla.edu ===== Professor Dr. Jan E.M. Houben, Icole Pratique des Hautes Itudes, @ la Sorbonne, 45-47, rue des Icoles, 75005 Paris -- France. J_E_M_Houben at yahoo.com J.E.M.Houben at let.leidenuniv.nl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Apr 30 09:32:42 2003 From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 03 05:32:42 -0400 Subject: Romila Thapar -- official statement from LC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072667.23782.12161698672861041541.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Just for informational purposes, I forward here the official statement from Library of Congress on this topic, which was forwarded by our colleague and list-member Allan Thrasher. Given LC's strong reaffirmation of its appointment of Romila Thapar, I feel confident that we can now safely ignore the attempted attack on her and on Indology, and can drop the subject from our list discussions here. Best, David Magier ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:04:13 -0400 From: "Allen W Thrasher" Subject: LC Statement re Thapar appointment I have been authorized to forward this official statement from the Director of Scholarly Programs at the Library of Congress about Professor Thapar's appointment. Allen Thrasher Senior Reference Librarian Asian Division Library of Congress Statement: We acknowledge the emails, faxes, and telephone calls from many people who have been in touch with us either to question or to support the appointment of Professor Romila Thapar to a Kluge Chair at the Library of Congress. We are aware that there is an email petition circulating on the internet alleging that her scholarship is political propaganda. We also have been in receipt of a large number of testimonials from noted scholars of Indian history in the United States and abroad supporting the appointment of Professor Thapar. The volume of email is such that we are not able to acknowledge each message individually. In brief, our response is that we are most pleased to have an Indian historian of Professor Thapar's distinction with us at the Library of Congress. Her many books already in the collections of the Library of Congress testify that her work is sympathetic to the ancient Indian and Hindu historical and cultural traditions in highlighting their variegated and undogmatic quality, and in making clear the complexity of Indian civilization. Prosser Gifford Director of Scholarly Programs Library of Congress ---------- At 10:50 PM -0400 4/29/03, George Thompson wrote: >Dear List, > >While I find myself in great sympathy with Jonathan Silk and Jan Houben, who >want to preserve this list, as a forum for scholarly discussion, from >excessive politicization, I myself have seen no violations of the list's >guidelines. I also think that the defense of Indology against political >attacks like this current one, put forward as far as I can tell by a group >with no scholarly competence whatsoever, is, or should be, an acceptable >part of Indological discourse. > >Unlike previous versions of this list, this version has been moderated, and >its members are disciplined as well as well-informed scholars. As far as I >can see, there is little danger of this discussion becoming just another >hysterical shouting match like those that used to occur regularly on the >previous list. > >An attack on Romila Thapar is an attack on Indology. As an Indologist, I >think that she, and our discipline, should be defended from such >viciousness. > >And as a private person living in a nation governed illicitly by a fascist >minority, I choose not to stay on the safe side. > >Best wishes, > >George Thompson -- From athr at LOC.GOV Wed Apr 30 13:57:57 2003 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 03 09:57:57 -0400 Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Culturesof the South at Library of Congress Message-ID: <161227072674.23782.12458212190858907290.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Sir: Thank you for your expression of support. Sincerely, Allen Thrasher Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian Southern Asia Section Asian Division Library of Congress Jefferson Building 150 101 Independence Ave., S.E. Washington, DC 20540-4810 tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 athr at loc.gov The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress. >>> navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM 04/30/03 07:47AM >>> Sir, I thuink tht Romila Thaper is the apt person for the post in the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress.Any movement against the appointment by the Hindu fenatics is na attack against the accadamic freedsom .So at any rate accadaqmisions and Reserchers in whole field of knowledge should ,react to the attack at any rate. >From: Allen W Thrasher < athr at LOC.GOV> >Reply-To: Indology < INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk> >To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of > the South at Library of Congress >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:35:34 -0400 > >April 17, 2003 > >Romila Thapar Named as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and >Cultures of the South at Library of Congress > >Librarian of Congress James H. Billington has appointed Romila Thapar as >the first holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the >South at the Library of Congress. The holder of this chair, which is >located in the John W. Kluge Center of the Library of Congress, pursues >research on the regions of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, South >and Southeast Asia, or the islands of the Pacific including Australia >and New Zealand, using the immense foreign language collections in the >specialized reading rooms of the Library of Congress. > >As occupant of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South, >Thapar will spend ten months at the John W. Kluge Center pursuing >"Historical Consciousness in Early India" as her area of research. > >Romila Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at >Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, who has served as visiting >professor at Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania, is a >recognized authority on Indian history. The author of many seminal works >on the history of ancient India, her volume of the Penguin History of >India has been continuously in print since 1966. Her latest publication >is "Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300." Other recent works are >"History and Beyond," "Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian History," >and "History and Beyond." In her published works, Thapar has pioneered >both the study of early Indian texts as history and the integration of >the critical use of archaeology with written sources. > >During her illustrious career, Thapar has held many visiting posts in >Europe, the United States and Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at Lady >Margaret Hall, Oxford, and at the School of Oriental and African Studies >(SOAS), University of London. She has honorary doctorates from the >University of Chicago, the Institut National des Langues et >Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the University of Oxford and the >University of Calcutta. > >Through a generous endowment from its namesake, the Library of Congress >established the John W. Kluge Center in 2000 to bring together the >world's best thinkers to stimulate, energize, and distill wisdom from >the Library's rich resources and to interact with policymakers in >Washington, D.C. The Kluge Center houses five senior Kluge Chairs >(American Law and Governance, Countries and Cultures of the North, >Countries and Cultures of the South, Technology and Society, and Modern >Culture); other senior-level chairs (Henry A. Kissinger Chair, Cary and >Ann Maguire Chair in American History and Ethics, and the Harissios >Papamarkou Chair in Education); and nearly 25 post-doctoral fellows. > >For more information about the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of >the South or any of the other fellowships and grants offered by the John >W. Kluge Center, contact the Office of Scholarly Programs, Library of >Congress, 101 Independence Avenue S.E, Washington, DC 20540-4860; >telephone (202) 707-3302, fax 202-707-3595. > >John W. Kluge Center website: www.loc.gov/kluge > >Contact: >Helen Dalrymple (202) 707-1940 >Robert Saladini (202) 707-2692 _________________________________________________________________ Tried Feng Shui yet? Learn the yin & yan. http://www.msn.co.in/Astrology/FengShui/ Make it work for you! From navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 30 11:47:26 2003 From: navadipanyaya at HOTMAIL.COM (jagan nadh) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 03 11:47:26 +0000 Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress Message-ID: <161227072669.23782.17946921679890888089.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Sir, I thuink tht Romila Thaper is the apt person for the post in the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South at Library of Congress.Any movement against the appointment by the Hindu fenatics is na attack against the accadamic freedsom .So at any rate accadaqmisions and Reserchers in whole field of knowledge should ,react to the attack at any rate. >From: Allen W Thrasher >Reply-To: Indology >To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk >Subject: Romila Thapar appointed Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of > the South at Library of Congress >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:35:34 -0400 > >April 17, 2003 > >Romila Thapar Named as First Holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and >Cultures of the South at Library of Congress > >Librarian of Congress James H. Billington has appointed Romila Thapar as >the first holder of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the >South at the Library of Congress. The holder of this chair, which is >located in the John W. Kluge Center of the Library of Congress, pursues >research on the regions of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, South >and Southeast Asia, or the islands of the Pacific including Australia >and New Zealand, using the immense foreign language collections in the >specialized reading rooms of the Library of Congress. > >As occupant of the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of the South, >Thapar will spend ten months at the John W. Kluge Center pursuing >"Historical Consciousness in Early India" as her area of research. > >Romila Thapar, emeritus professor of Ancient Indian History at >Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, who has served as visiting >professor at Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania, is a >recognized authority on Indian history. The author of many seminal works >on the history of ancient India, her volume of the Penguin History of >India has been continuously in print since 1966. Her latest publication >is "Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300." Other recent works are >"History and Beyond," "Cultural Pasts: Essays in Early Indian History," >and "History and Beyond." In her published works, Thapar has pioneered >both the study of early Indian texts as history and the integration of >the critical use of archaeology with written sources. > >During her illustrious career, Thapar has held many visiting posts in >Europe, the United States and Japan. She is an Honorary Fellow at Lady >Margaret Hall, Oxford, and at the School of Oriental and African Studies >(SOAS), University of London. She has honorary doctorates from the >University of Chicago, the Institut National des Langues et >Civilisations Orientales in Paris, the University of Oxford and the >University of Calcutta. > >Through a generous endowment from its namesake, the Library of Congress >established the John W. Kluge Center in 2000 to bring together the >world's best thinkers to stimulate, energize, and distill wisdom from >the Library's rich resources and to interact with policymakers in >Washington, D.C. The Kluge Center houses five senior Kluge Chairs >(American Law and Governance, Countries and Cultures of the North, >Countries and Cultures of the South, Technology and Society, and Modern >Culture); other senior-level chairs (Henry A. Kissinger Chair, Cary and >Ann Maguire Chair in American History and Ethics, and the Harissios >Papamarkou Chair in Education); and nearly 25 post-doctoral fellows. > >For more information about the Kluge Chair in Countries and Cultures of >the South or any of the other fellowships and grants offered by the John >W. Kluge Center, contact the Office of Scholarly Programs, Library of >Congress, 101 Independence Avenue S.E, Washington, DC 20540-4860; >telephone (202) 707-3302, fax 202-707-3595. > >John W. Kluge Center website: www.loc.gov/kluge > >Contact: >Helen Dalrymple (202) 707-1940 >Robert Saladini (202) 707-2692 _________________________________________________________________ Tried Feng Shui yet? Learn the yin & yan. http://www.msn.co.in/Astrology/FengShui/ Make it work for you! From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 30 14:41:57 2003 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (John Brockington) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 03 15:41:57 +0100 Subject: Romila Thapar appointment - discussion closed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227072677.23782.1119370386067176000.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, Now that the measured statement by Prosser Gifford, Director of Scholarly Programs at the Library of Congress, on the appointment of Professor Thapar to a Kluge Chair at the Library of Congress has been posted to our list by Allen Thrasher and David Magier, it is time for the discussion of this topic on-list to come to an end. Those interested in pursuing it further can of course do so by the means suggested in various of the messages that have been posted in the course of the discussion. Yours John Brockington (duty member of the Indology Committee) Professor J. L. Brockington Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies 7 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW U.K. tel: +131 650 4174 fax: +131 651 1258 From Francois.Obrist at BCU.UNIL.CH Wed Apr 30 13:48:55 2003 From: Francois.Obrist at BCU.UNIL.CH (Francois Obrist) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 03 15:48:55 +0200 Subject: Hindi ebooks In-Reply-To: <000201c30e70$a4c2ed30$d69f4382@Winston> Message-ID: <161227072671.23782.4773469147515288376.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Un site sur les dictionnaires ?lectroniques : http://www.yourdictionary.com/ Hope this help et tout de bon Fran?ois Obrist At 18:58 29/04/03 +0200, you wrote: >Dear members of the list, > >Are any of you familiar with a site where I could get ebooks in Hindi >and an electronic Hindi-English dictionary? > >Lars Martin Fosse > >Dr.art. Lars Martin Fosse >Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, >0674 Oslo >Norway >Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 >Fax: +47 850 21 250 >Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 >E-mail: lmfosse at online.no -------------------------------------------- Francois Obrist Bibliotheque cantonale et universitaire (BCU) Section de langues et civilisations orientales CH-1015 Lausanne email: Francois.Obrist at bcu.unil.ch tel. : +41 21 692 4836 Fax : +41 21 692 4845