From frederick-smith at UIOWA.EDU  Sun Mar  3 15:44:57 2002
From: frederick-smith at UIOWA.EDU (Fred Smith)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 02 10:44:57 -0500
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
In-Reply-To: <1702809784.1015315091@MMDESH>
Message-ID: <161227070629.23782.16753240445306208771.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Madhav,

I have heard this change among the SYVedins of Nasik as well as of
Varanasi. But, as you say, it is of the Maadhyandina "saakhaa. I have not
heard it among the Kaa.nva pa.n.ditas of Pandharpur. Have you?
regards
Fred

>Just to be more specific, the change of .s to kh takes place in the
>Maadhyandina trandition of the Zukla-Yajurveda, where the passage i.se tvaa
>is recited as ikhe tvaa.  The Maadhyandinas are found mostly in north
>India, their southernmost expansion reaching the region of northern
>Maharashtra.  I think there is a likely regional/dialectal connection of
>this pronunciation with northeastern regions, where in Prakrits/Pali one
>often finds kh for Sanskrit .s, for instance lakkha.na for
>lak.sa.na/lak.sma.na.  This mode of recitation in the Maadhyandina YV is
>probably a relatively late development, as I see no reference to it either
>in the Vaajasaneyi-Praatizaakhya or the Yaajnavalkya-zik.saa.  Best,
>
>
>Madhav Deshpande
>
>--On Sunday, February 24, 2002, 1:13 PM -0500 Madhav Deshpande
><mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> This happens in the Zukla Yajurveda recitation, where the RV line
>> sahasraziir.sa.h puru.sa.h is pronounced as ...ziirkha.h purukha.h.  I am
>> responding to this email away from home, and don't have access to my
>> books, but if I remember correctly, the Zukla-YV Praatizaakhya deals with
>> this feature.
>>                               Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dean Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Madhav Deshpande mentions in "Genesis of Rgvedic Retroflexion..." that
>>> some branches of Yajur Veda show 'kh' where the retroflex 's' is normally
>>> expected. Where is this found? Is is associated with a particular Shakha
>>> or geographical location? Are there any other aspects of the vedic
>>> literature that show this?
>>>
>>> Dean Anderson, PhD
>>>
>
>
>
>***************************************************************
>Madhav M. Deshpande
>Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
>Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
>3070 Frieze Building
>The University of Michigan
>Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1285, USA
>***************************************************************


Frederick M. Smith
Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Classical Indian Religion
School of Religion                    Dept. of Asian Languages
                              & Literature
314 Gilmore Hall                              681 Phillips Hall
University of Iowa                    University of Iowa
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different results." Albert Einstein




From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP  Mon Mar  4 05:15:49 2002
From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 02 14:15:49 +0900
Subject: digital texts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0202280856390.24413-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <161227070615.23782.1831337715466266740.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear list-members,

The following digital texts are downloadable from
http://tiger.bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/mtokunag/skt_texts/

1. The Suuryasiddhaanta, digitized by Prof. Michio Yano, quality good.
2. The Kaamasuutra, digitized by Ms. Mizue Sugita, quality good.
3. The Udaanavarga for word-search (Bernhard ed.), digitized by
M. Tokunaga, quality mediocre.

The download site has moved from my server to that of the Graduate
School of Letter, KU. Those who have linked to the tiger are requested
to change the address.

Muneo Tokunaga
Kyoto University




From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP  Mon Mar  4 05:39:24 2002
From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 02 14:39:24 +0900
Subject: digital texts
In-Reply-To: <Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:15:49 +0900">
Message-ID: <161227070618.23782.11883675009843645179.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear list-members,

Working on the S'aanti Parvan, I am interested right know particularly
on the topic: exactly how long BhiiSma survived after his `death' on
the tenth day of the Battle. Descriptions are confused in the epic. I
suppose this topic will shed some light on the development of the
epic. I shall be happy if I can exchange views with someone on this
topic or I am informed of any article, which I don't know, discussing
this topic.

Muneo Tokunaga
KU




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Tue Mar  5 12:58:11 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav M. Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 02 07:58:11 -0500
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0202241309530.22267-100000@arkanoid.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <161227070620.23782.17891588407574019052.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Just to be more specific, the change of .s to kh takes place in the
Maadhyandina trandition of the Zukla-Yajurveda, where the passage i.se tvaa
is recited as ikhe tvaa.  The Maadhyandinas are found mostly in north
India, their southernmost expansion reaching the region of northern
Maharashtra.  I think there is a likely regional/dialectal connection of
this pronunciation with northeastern regions, where in Prakrits/Pali one
often finds kh for Sanskrit .s, for instance lakkha.na for
lak.sa.na/lak.sma.na.  This mode of recitation in the Maadhyandina YV is
probably a relatively late development, as I see no reference to it either
in the Vaajasaneyi-Praatizaakhya or the Yaajnavalkya-zik.saa.  Best,


Madhav Deshpande

--On Sunday, February 24, 2002, 1:13 PM -0500 Madhav Deshpande
<mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> This happens in the Zukla Yajurveda recitation, where the RV line
> sahasraziir.sa.h puru.sa.h is pronounced as ...ziirkha.h purukha.h.  I am
> responding to this email away from home, and don't have access to my
> books, but if I remember correctly, the Zukla-YV Praatizaakhya deals with
> this feature.
>                               Madhav Deshpande
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
>> Madhav Deshpande mentions in "Genesis of Rgvedic Retroflexion..." that
>> some branches of Yajur Veda show 'kh' where the retroflex 's' is normally
>> expected. Where is this found? Is is associated with a particular Shakha
>> or geographical location? Are there any other aspects of the vedic
>> literature that show this?
>>
>> Dean Anderson, PhD
>>



***************************************************************
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
3070 Frieze Building
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1285, USA
***************************************************************




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Tue Mar  5 16:58:51 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 02 11:58:51 -0500
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b8aa88f1f324@[129.240.19.27]>
Message-ID: <161227070627.23782.10660447848054957826.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The recitation of Skt .s as kh in the Maadhyandina tradition must be at
least a few hundred years old.  It is explicitly discussed in a 17/18th
century text that I am currently editing and translating.  Further the use
of the character for .s to render kh is very common in old Marathi
manuscripts, indicating that at least regionally there is something
happening.  In village Marathi, Sanskrit vi.sa "poison" becomes iikh. This
is not a mere orthographic change, since I have heard the Maadhyandina YV
recitation in Pune demonstrating this phenomenon.
                                        Madhav Deshpande

--On Tuesday, March 5, 2002 4:00 PM +0100 Georg von Simson
<g.v.simson at EAST.UIO.NO> wrote:

> On March 5 Madhav Deshpande wrote:
>> Just to be more specific, the change of .s to kh takes place in the
>> Maadhyandina tradition of the Zukla-Yajurveda, where the passage i.se
>> tvaa is recited as ikhe tvaa.
>
> A change from .s to kh looks rather dramatic if we take kh as an
> aspirated occlusive. But is it not probable that the letter kh was
> used to write either a palatal or a velar fricative (spirant) (like
> in German ich or ach), a sound that would be near to the
> correspondant sibilant (which is also a spirant)? The transition to
> the aspirated occlusive might be a rather late phenomenon, supported
> by the script. Of course, this would presuppose that writing plays a
> part somewhere in the process ...
>
>> The Maadhyandinas are found mostly in north
>> India, their southernmost expansion reaching the region of northern
>> Maharashtra.  I think there is a likely regional/dialectal connection of
>> this pronunciation with northeastern regions, where in Prakrits/Pali one
>> often finds kh for Sanskrit .s, for instance lakkha.na for
>> lak.sa.na/lak.sma.na.
>
> But this is in so far different as the sibilant here is assimilated
> to a precedent occlusive.
>
> Best wishes,
> G.v.Simson




From g.v.simson at EAST.UIO.NO  Tue Mar  5 15:00:47 2002
From: g.v.simson at EAST.UIO.NO (Georg von Simson)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 02 16:00:47 +0100
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
In-Reply-To: <1702809784.1015315091@MMDESH>
Message-ID: <161227070622.23782.14245243391928615388.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On March 5 Madhav Deshpande wrote:
>Just to be more specific, the change of .s to kh takes place in the
>Maadhyandina tradition of the Zukla-Yajurveda, where the passage i.se tvaa
>is recited as ikhe tvaa.

A change from .s to kh looks rather dramatic if we take kh as an
aspirated occlusive. But is it not probable that the letter kh was
used to write either a palatal or a velar fricative (spirant) (like
in German ich or ach), a sound that would be near to the
correspondant sibilant (which is also a spirant)? The transition to
the aspirated occlusive might be a rather late phenomenon, supported
by the script. Of course, this would presuppose that writing plays a
part somewhere in the process ...

>The Maadhyandinas are found mostly in north
>India, their southernmost expansion reaching the region of northern
>Maharashtra.  I think there is a likely regional/dialectal connection of
>this pronunciation with northeastern regions, where in Prakrits/Pali one
>often finds kh for Sanskrit .s, for instance lakkha.na for
>lak.sa.na/lak.sma.na.

But this is in so far different as the sibilant here is assimilated
to a precedent occlusive.

Best wishes,
G.v.Simson




From g.v.simson at EAST.UIO.NO  Tue Mar  5 15:44:15 2002
From: g.v.simson at EAST.UIO.NO (Georg von Simson)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 02 16:44:15 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Bhishma=C2=B4s_death?=
In-Reply-To: <200203040525.FAA05863@muse.bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <161227070625.23782.9870252012041265598.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On March 4, Muneo Tokunaga wrote:
>
>Working on the S'aanti Parvan, I am interested right know particularly
>on the topic: exactly how long BhiiSma survived after his `death' on
>the tenth day of the Battle. Descriptions are confused in the epic. I
>suppose this topic will shed some light on the development of the
>epic. I shall be happy if I can exchange views with someone on this
>topic or I am informed of any article, which I don't know, discussing
>this topic.

I discuss the chronological problems of the Mahabharata battle in an
article ("Narrated time and its relation to the supposed Year Myth in
the Mbh.") published in Mary Brockington and Peter Schreiner (ed.):
Composing a Tradition: Concepts, Techniques and Relationships.
Zagreb, 1999, p. 49-66.

In Mbh. 13.153.27, shortly before his death, Bhisma mentions that he
has been lying on the bed of arrows for 58 nights. But you are right:
"Descriptions are confused in the epic." I, too, come to the
conclusion (p. 60):  "... there is no consistent chronology with
regard to the events around the battle. There seem to be different
traditions, incompatible to each other ..."

Best regards,
G.v.Simson




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Tue Mar  5 22:24:35 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 02 17:24:35 -0500
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
In-Reply-To: <v03102801b8a7f4fe10a5@[128.255.212.232]>
Message-ID: <161227070631.23782.3801944561325018560.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have not heard the recitation of Kaa.nva YV and cannot make a comment.
However, all the references to this peculiarity of pronunciation (kh for
.s) relate only to the Maadhyandina YV.  This peculiarity as well as the
j-like pronunciation of initial y are noted in the two versions of the
Kezaviizik.saa included in the Zik.saasa.mgraha and these texts make it
clear that this happens only in the Maadhyandina YV.
                                            Madhav Deshpande

--On Sunday, March 3, 2002 10:44 AM -0500 Fred Smith
<frederick-smith at UIOWA.EDU> wrote:

> Madhav,
>
> I have heard this change among the SYVedins of Nasik as well as of
> Varanasi. But, as you say, it is of the Maadhyandina "saakhaa. I have not
> heard it among the Kaa.nva pa.n.ditas of Pandharpur. Have you?
> regards
> Fred
>
>> Just to be more specific, the change of .s to kh takes place in the
>> Maadhyandina trandition of the Zukla-Yajurveda, where the passage i.se
>> tvaa is recited as ikhe tvaa.  The Maadhyandinas are found mostly in
>> north India, their southernmost expansion reaching the region of northern
>> Maharashtra.  I think there is a likely regional/dialectal connection of
>> this pronunciation with northeastern regions, where in Prakrits/Pali one
>> often finds kh for Sanskrit .s, for instance lakkha.na for
>> lak.sa.na/lak.sma.na.  This mode of recitation in the Maadhyandina YV is
>> probably a relatively late development, as I see no reference to it
>> either in the Vaajasaneyi-Praatizaakhya or the Yaajnavalkya-zik.saa.
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> --On Sunday, February 24, 2002, 1:13 PM -0500 Madhav Deshpande
>> <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> This happens in the Zukla Yajurveda recitation, where the RV line
>>> sahasraziir.sa.h puru.sa.h is pronounced as ...ziirkha.h purukha.h.  I
>>> am responding to this email away from home, and don't have access to my
>>> books, but if I remember correctly, the Zukla-YV Praatizaakhya deals
>>> with this feature.
>>>                               Madhav Deshpande
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dean Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Madhav Deshpande mentions in "Genesis of Rgvedic Retroflexion..." that
>>>> some branches of Yajur Veda show 'kh' where the retroflex 's' is
>>>> normally expected. Where is this found? Is is associated with a
>>>> particular Shakha or geographical location? Are there any other
>>>> aspects of the vedic literature that show this?
>>>>
>>>> Dean Anderson, PhD
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ***************************************************************
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
>> 3070 Frieze Building
>> The University of Michigan
>> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1285, USA
>> ***************************************************************
>
>
> Frederick M. Smith
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Classical Indian Religion
> School of Religion                    Dept. of Asian Languages
>                               & Literature
> 314 Gilmore Hall                              681 Phillips Hall
> University of Iowa                    University of Iowa
> Iowa City, IA  52242  U.S.A.          Iowa City, IA  52242  U.S.A.
>         + 319-335-2178 (O)      + 319-338-7193 (H)
>                + 319-353-2207 (Fax)
>                     frederick-smith at uiowa.edu
>
> "Insanity is doing the same old thing, the same old way, while expecting
> different results." Albert Einstein




From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Wed Mar  6 01:35:07 2002
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 02 20:35:07 -0500
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
In-Reply-To: <978769.3224337875@pm472-34.dialip.mich.net>
Message-ID: <161227070634.23782.1389340535347302369.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Madhav has it right of course, as far as the Madhyandina are concerned.
However, the Kanva often have the more archaic recitation, such as
Upadhmaniya/Jihvamuliya for Visarga (i.e. nax kalpataam, still in my ears
from ... 1973, a TN reciter);    even a Madhy. from the Kanva metropolis of
Pandhapur had  S =kh 'sahasrashiirkha'.  Cannot remember about *any* Kanva
pronunciation of S [kh] either.  Will check.

As for the age of retroflex S > kh, it *is* old. I cannot really remember
the *oldest* case as it is so common as writing mistake, and as it just
gets filed away as "another case"....  However, there is the very typical
reverse mistake, ... yathaa dRSTam, tathaa liSitam (!), found all over the
northern MSS...

Some early cases of  S > kh are the mispellings in the Kashmir Paippalada
AV, written in Sarada script in CE [15]19 or even [14]19 , which go back to
a *preceding* Nagari original of c.1250 CE, because:

in Skt. pronunciation,  Kashmir  retains   both z and S  as [sh],  and s as
[s], while in  North India and Nepal we have  z= s, S = kh,  s = s, in
Bengal  all as [sh], in Orissa all as [s], and for example in Tamil Nadu
z= s,  S =[sh] , s = s (where the  Drav. mother tongue causes another set
of problems)   etc. etc. --  I remember  mispellings based on such
pronunciations  from early inscriptions, but have no data here at home.

In this regard, it is important to distinguish between modern pronunciation
/Veda recitation and Middle Indian developments : virtually everywhere
z,S,s  >  one sibilant phoneme pronounced as  [s], in Bengal pronounced as
[sh], while the old distinction of the three z,S,s is kept alive only in
the extreme northwest (Panini, Gandhari, modern Dardic, minus Kashmiri
[where OIA z  has developed to NIA h] )...

The beginnings can be seen already by 150 BCE, in Patanjali, who complains
(intro.) that people (in Mathura?) pronounce  'hare' zaza as SaSa.

Thus, Veda recitation  by necessity must substitute and has substituted
differenly in different areas (see above)      {{ Note the similar case
where y [j]  is dotted or written with stroke through (Nepal) to indicate
pronunciation [y], and v [b]  is dotted to indicate  [v]...  }}

As for S /kh ,  kh is is of course the next best thing for someone who only
has [s] left in native speech:  S is a retroflex sibilant, kh at least has
a strong (!) aspiration --- listen to a Vajasaneyin saying  '6' = Sat
[khaT] !  ---  and the point of production of kh  is fairly close (upper
palate/cacumen : velar).

All such items really need to be collected; I have many data but ...as
usual... unpublished.
ananatam zaastram...

MW
=======


>However, all the references to this peculiarity of pronunciation (kh for
>.s) relate only to the Maadhyandina YV.  This peculiarity as well as the
>j-like pronunciation of initial y are noted in the two versions of the
>Kezaviizik.saa included in the Zik.saasa.mgraha and these texts make it
>clear that this happens only in the Maadhyandina YV.
>
>>
>>> Just to be more specific, the change of .s to kh takes place in the
>>> Maadhyandina trandition of the Zukla-Yajurveda, where the passage i.se
>>> tvaa is recited as ikhe tvaa.  The Maadhyandinas are found mostly in
>>> north India, their southernmost expansion reaching the region of northern
>>> Maharashtra.  I think there is a likely regional/dialectal connection of
>>> this pronunciation with northeastern regions,
========================================================
Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University
2 Divinity Avenue, Cambridge MA 02138, USA

ph. 1- 617-496 2990 (also messages)
home page:  http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Mar  6 02:54:16 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 02 02:54:16 +0000
Subject: Bengali job posting (fwd)
Message-ID: <161227070636.23782.7087214653320861933.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:41:03 -0500
From: Christopher Minkowski <czm1 at cornell.edu>

Subject: Bengali posting

Hi Dominik,
Could you please post the following on the Indology website?
Thanks,  Chris



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From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP  Wed Mar  6 05:43:00 2002
From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 02 14:43:00 +0900
Subject: Bhishma=?iso-8859-1?Q?=B4?=s death
In-Reply-To: <p04330101b8aa9191fa05@[129.240.19.27]>
Message-ID: <161227070638.23782.14179656504481241218.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Prof. Georg von Simson,

I am very glad for your response and information. I have to read your
paper right away.

>>conclusion (p. 60):  "... there is no consistent chronology with
>>regard to the events around the battle. There seem to be different
>>traditions, incompatible to each other ..."

This incompatibility interests me. I have been consulting Prof. Michio
Yano and Prof. S.R. Sarma, now guest professor at our School, about
calendrical descriptions in the epic. I will let you know if we find
something new or interesting.

So much on this net.

With best regards,
Tokunaga

                      ===============================================
                                    Dr. Muneo TOKUNAGA
                                   Professor of Sanskrit
                                Graduate School of Letters
                                     Kyoto University
                                   Sakyo-ku, Kyoto City
                              Japan (postal code: 606-8501)
                                     Tel: 075-753-2778
                                Fax(domestic): 075-753-2778
                               Fax(international) 075-761-0692
                              email: mtokunag at bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp
                     ================================================




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Mar  6 14:50:55 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 02 14:50:55 +0000
Subject: C4-Professur Iranistik (fwd)
Message-ID: <161227070640.23782.14148116914385937766.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:31:52 +0100
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Subject: C4-Professur Iranistik

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Lehrverzeichnis und eine Darlegung der Lehrerfahrung sowie der
Vorstellungen zur Lehre werden unter Angabe der Kennziffer bis zum
23.04.2002 erbeten an den Pr?sidenten der Universit?t Hamburg, Referat
Personal & Organisation -632.5-, Moorweidenstr. 18, 20148 Hamburg.


1. Das Verfahren nach ? 14 Abs. 1 HmbHG ist durchgef?hrt worden.
2.    Ver?ffentlicht in: "Die Zeit" vom 07.03.2002




From athr at LOC.GOV  Thu Mar  7 02:08:21 2002
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 02 21:08:21 -0500
Subject: Northwestern U. - any listmembers?
Message-ID: <161227070642.23782.18079761100061097871.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I need to get a complete copy of one issue of a very small journal, J.
of the International School of Vedic and Allied Research, of which
Northwestern University Library has the only complete run.  Is there
anyone at Northwestern on the list who could help me with this?

Thanks,
Allen





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From jeff_lidke at YAHOO.COM  Thu Mar  7 15:56:07 2002
From: jeff_lidke at YAHOO.COM (Jeffrey Lidke)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 02 07:56:07 -0800
Subject: Western Nepal and South Indian Textile Industries
In-Reply-To: <F190cUmqi8SMKY1LKvK00012042@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227070647.23782.7310170630545100120.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Colleagues,

Two questions.  First, are any of you aware of any
scholars who are doing research on religion, politics,
and society in western Nepal?  Relatedly, can you
recommend any valuable published materials?  At this
point I am mostly working with Nepali sources.  I am
particularly interested in the interface of Sakta
Tantrism with the traditions of Mashto and the nine
Bhavanis in Accham.  Second, a student of mind is
planning to do research on textile industries in South
India.  Do any of you have recommendations for sources
or contact that might be of value in this regard?

Thank you,

Jeffrey Lidke
Bard College

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From acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Mar  7 10:54:47 2002
From: acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM (diwakar acharya)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 02 16:39:47 +0545
Subject: Kh instead of S in Yajur Veda
Message-ID: <161227070645.23782.5896209082348025748.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear,

The rules for peculiar pronunciation of particular var.nas (y, r(esp.
repha), l, v, .r, .l and .s) in the Maadhyandina branch of Yajurveda can be
found in the Pratij~naapari"si.s.ta also known as Pratij~naasuutra ascribed
to Katyayana. There are some conditions, of following or preceding var.na,
to have such a change in original pronunciation.
But I wonder, there is no rule of pronouncing j~n as dny which also is in
current practice.

In the case of .s, the rule is: atho muurdhanyo.sma.no .asa.myuktasya .tum
.rte sa.myuktasya ca khakaaroccaara.nam. 2.7

Best wishes,


Diwakar Acharya
Mahendra Sanskrit University
Kathmandu



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From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Fri Mar  8 11:50:51 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav M. Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 02 06:50:51 -0500
Subject: Dandekar Obituary
Message-ID: <161227070649.23782.1617475144607876005.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hello Michael,

            I just completed a 13 page (double-spaced) draft of the
Dandekar Obituary.  If I send it to you as an attachment, can you read it
with a CSX compatible font?


Madhav

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Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
3070 Frieze Building
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1285, USA
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From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri Mar  8 13:59:27 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 02 07:59:27 -0600
Subject: Dandekar Obituary
In-Reply-To: <1957969364.1015570251@MMDESH>
Message-ID: <161227070651.23782.16153345772062597051.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Madhav: i an not sure whether your message was intended only for
Michael. but many of us would also like to read it -- if possible?  A
PDF format would make it easy for everyone.

Patrick




>Hello Michael,
>
>             I just completed a 13 page (double-spaced) draft of the
>Dandekar Obituary.  If I send it to you as an attachment, can you read it
>with a CSX compatible font?
>
>
>Madhav
>
>***************************************************************
>Madhav M. Deshpande
>Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
>Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
>3070 Frieze Building
>The University of Michigan
>Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1285, USA
>***************************************************************




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Fri Mar  8 14:28:34 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 02 09:28:34 -0500
Subject: Dandekar Obituary
Message-ID: <161227070653.23782.8098975012306584005.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am sorry I sent a personal message to the list by mistake.

                                        Madhav Deshpande




From j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM  Mon Mar 11 15:16:21 2002
From: j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 02 07:16:21 -0800
Subject: new publication: Aldous Huxley between East and West
In-Reply-To: <F69LCVYl4maEqxGGmNN0000c2cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227070655.23782.16069990431169228220.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Readers of this list may be interested to know
that the book Aldous Huxley between East and West
(ed. by C.C. Barfoot, New York/Amsterdam: Rodopi;
e-mail: orders-queries at rodopi.nl /
www.rodopi.nl), containing proceedings of a
seminar held in Leiden a few years ago, has now
appeared. Anglicists and a few Indologists
contributed to this volume.
(sorry for cross-posting)
Contents:
preface
1. Tilmann Vetter: Introduction: Aldous Huxley
between East and West.
2. Bernard Bergonzi: Aldous Huxley and Aunt Mary.
3. Wim Tigges: White Peacocks in a Waste Land: A
Reading of "Crome Yellow".
4. Robert S. Baker: Science and Modernity in
Aldous Huxley's Interwar Essays and Novels.
5. James Sexton: Aldous Huxley's Three Plays,
1931-1948.
6. C.C. Barfoot: Huxley on the Bus: From the
Burning Wheel to the Yellow Mustard Seed.
7. Dominic Baker-Smith: The World to Come: Aldous
Huxley and the Utopian Parable.
8. Geoff Jaeger: The Palanese Way: Engaged
Enlightenment in Aldous Huxley's "Island".
9. Bernfried Nugel: Aldous Huxley's "Introduction
of a Brand New Personage" in "Island": Abdul
Pierre Bagu, Ambassador of Rendang.
10. Lambert Schmithausen: Aldous Huxley's View of
Nature.
11. Johannes Bronkhorst: The Perennial Philosophy
and the Law of Karma.
12. Albrecht Wezler: "Psychedelic" Drugs as Means
to Mystical Experience: Aldous Huxley versus
Indian Reality.
13. Wilhelm Halbfass: Mescaline and Indian
Philosophy: Aldous Huxley and the Mythology of
Experience.
Notes on Contributors.
Index.


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From jfstaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU  Mon Mar 11 20:11:46 2002
From: jfstaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (Frits Staal)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 02 12:11:46 -0800
Subject: None
In-Reply-To: <01C1C919.72562C60.lmfosse@online.no>
Message-ID: <161227070663.23782.8444670740486377810.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am very happy to have Stefan Baums' list but have a few additions, the
first not exactly responding to the question but worth knowing:

Noam Chomsky and Morris Halle, 1968, The Sound Pattern of English, New York
etc.: Harper & Row, page 435 (the last page of the text), the last rule:

(62)    a > a

(disregarding macrons which I don't have on E-mail)

Paul Kiparsky, 1979, Panini as a Variationist, Poona and Cambridge: Poona
University Press and MIT Press

Paul Kiparsky, 1982, Some Theoretical Problems in Panini's Grammar.
Professor K.B. Abhyankar Memorial Lectures, Second Series, Poona:
Post-Graduate and Research Department Series No.16.

Paul Kiparsky, 2002, On the Architecture of Panini's Grammar, Hyderabad:
Central Institute of English and Foreign Languages

Paul Kiparsky and Frits Staal, Syntactic and Semantic Relations in Panini,
Foundations of Language  5 (1969) 83-117. Reprinted in my 1988 book:
Universals. Studies in Indian Logic and Linguistics, Chicago and London:
The University of Chicago Press, pp. 184-218.

Frits Staal, Context-Sensitive Rules in Panini, Foundations of Language 1
(1965) 63-72. Reprinted in my 1988 book: Universals. Studies in Indian
Logic and Linguistics, Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press,
pp. 171-80.

Frits Staal, The Sanskrit of Science, Journal of Indian Philosophy 23
(1995) 73-127.

Finally, I warmly endorse  Stefan Baums' recommendation "to go through the
indices of recent linguistic handbooks" (add: journals).

At 04:26 PM 3/11/02 +0100, you wrote:
>Sorry for cross-postings!
>
>Does anybody on the list know about studies of Sanskrit grammar relying on
>transformational grammar, government & binding theory or other new-fangled
>linguistic methods? I would be grateful for bibliographic data!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Lars Martin Fosse
>
>Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse
>Haugerudvn. 76, H0102,
>0674 Oslo
>Norway
>Phone: +47 22 32 12 19
>Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
>Fax 1:  +47 22 32 12 19
>Fax 2:  +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax)
>Email: lmfosse at online.no
>
Frits Staal

http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/staal




From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO  Mon Mar 11 15:26:02 2002
From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 02 16:26:02 +0100
Subject: None
Message-ID: <161227070657.23782.5115797817798883992.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Sorry for cross-postings!

Does anybody on the list know about studies of Sanskrit grammar relying on
transformational grammar, government & binding theory or other new-fangled
linguistic methods? I would be grateful for bibliographic data!

Best regards,

Lars Martin Fosse

Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, H0102,
0674 Oslo
Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
Fax 1:  +47 22 32 12 19
Fax 2:  +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax)
Email: lmfosse at online.no




From sbaums at GMX.NET  Mon Mar 11 16:54:27 2002
From: sbaums at GMX.NET (Stefan Baums)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 02 17:54:27 +0100
Subject: your mail
In-Reply-To: <01C1C919.72562C60.lmfosse@online.no>
Message-ID: <161227070659.23782.1463908064170927681.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Monday, 11 March 2002, Lars Martin Fosse wrote:

> Does anybody on the list know about studies of Sanskrit grammar relying on
> transformational grammar, government & binding theory or other new-fangled
> linguistic methods? I would be grateful for bibliographic data!

Below are some such.  Many of the old-school generativists (Kiparsky,
Zwicky) had an interest in the "scientific and precise" descriptive
model of Panini's grammar and partially modelled their own theories on
him (rule ordering, etc.), though generative grammar in its G & B
incarnation and subsequently has moved away from that formal
apparatus.  Phonologists were particulary intrigued by the "ruki" rule
(see Zwicky, below) and Grassmann's law (Anderson, Mey, below), which
ran counter to some of their theoretical presuppositions.  A certain
fascination with Sanskrit continues in formal linguistics, so going
through the indices of recent linguistics handbooks and checking for
Sanskrit among the language examples may well be worth your while.

   Stephen R. Anderson, On Grassmann?s law in Sanskrit, Linguistic
   inquiry, 1970, 1, 387?396.

   Brendan S. Gillon, Word order in classical Sanskrit, Indian
   Linguistics: Journal of the Linguistic Society of India, 1996, 57,
   1?35.

   Hans Henrich Hock, 1991, Studies in Sanskrit syntax: a volume in honor
   of the centennial of Speijer?s Sanskrit syntax (1886?1986), Studies
   in Sanskrit syntax: a volume in honor of the centennial of
   Speijer?s Sanskrit syntax (1886?1986), Delhi, Motilal Banarsidass
   Publishers.

   Paul Kiparsky, Some theoretical problems in P??ini?s grammar,
   Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, 1982, Post?graduate and
   Research Department Series? no.? 16 / ?Professor K.? V.? Abhyankar
   Memorial Lectures?, second series, Poona.

   Jacob L. Mey, Was Bartholomae really a Grassmann?, Norwegian journal
   of linguistics, 1972, 26, 81?89.

   J. F. Staal, Room at the top in Sanskrit: ancient and modern
   descriptions of nominal composition, Indo?Iranian Journal, 1965/66,
   IX, 165?198.

   J. F. Staal, Word order in Sanskrit and universal grammar, D.? Reidel
   Publishing Company, 1967, 5, Foundations of language: supplementary
   series, Dordrecht?Holland.

   Arnold M. Zwicky Jr., Topics in Sanskrit phonology, Massachusetts
   Institute of Technology, 1965.

   Arnold M. Zwicky, Greek?letter variables and the Sanskrit ruki class,
   Linguistic inquiry, 1970, 1, 549?555.

Best regards,
Stefan Baums

--
Stefan Baums
Asien-Instituttet
K?benhavns Universitet




From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO  Mon Mar 11 17:26:25 2002
From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 02 18:26:25 +0100
Subject: SV: your mail
Message-ID: <161227070661.23782.1390307867916819754.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Stefan Baums [SMTP:sbaums at GMX.NET] skrev 11. mars 2002 17:54:
>  <<Fil: ATT00001.txt; charset = utf-8>>

Thank you! This was wonderful. I knew about Staals work on Word Order, but the rest was new to me.

Best regards,

Lars Martin

Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse
Haugerudvn. 76, H0102,
0674 Oslo
Norway
Phone: +47 22 32 12 19
Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45
Fax 1:  +47 22 32 12 19
Fax 2:  +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax)
Email: lmfosse at online.no




From ghezziem at TIN.IT  Tue Mar 12 13:17:07 2002
From: ghezziem at TIN.IT (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 02 14:17:07 +0100
Subject: Modern KAvya
Message-ID: <161227070665.23782.4115259335880253532.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I'm very glad to announce that the renowned Professor Rasik Vihari Joshi -
one of my most beloved friends, thanks to His kindness - has granted to me
the permission, and above all the honour, of translating into Italian His
precious kAvya: the ShrIrAmapeatApacarita[mahAkAvya].

Daniela Rossella


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From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Tue Mar 12 22:45:28 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 02 14:45:28 -0800
Subject: new publication: Aldous Huxley between East and West
In-Reply-To: <20020311151621.95694.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227070667.23782.8380331117517908077.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I've added a link to this book from the INDOLOGY bookshop web page.

Dominik




From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu Mar 14 16:23:18 2002
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 02 11:23:18 -0500
Subject: MaanavaGS mantra in Kaa.thakaGS?
In-Reply-To: <B8B68DE8.2604%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227070672.23782.3070169509971015783.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At the time (c.1880?) Knauer (in Kiew, I think) could not have known what
was in the KGS (LGS) as only Barth (in Paris) had made some copies of the
Kashmir MSS brought by Buehler fro Kashmir in 1875 & kept at Poona since
then.

However, he might have referred to Haug's older paper (c. 1870, Bavarian
Academy) about the relations between Katha and *VisnuSm*/Manava texts.
Must check details in my office.

MW

============

>Dear Indologists,
>
>In his crit. app. to the mantras given in his ed. of the MaanGS, p. 58, and
>again in his mantra-index, i.a. p. 153, Knauer suggests that the mantras in
>question (bodha;s ca maa pratibodha;s ca ...) are found also in the
>Kaa.thakag.rhyasuutra, besides their parallel in KS 37.10 and AV;S 8.1.13.
>    However, the mantras are not found in the mantra-index to Caland's
>Kaa.thGS ed., nor can I find a reference to a Kaa.thGS attestation anywhere
>else (e.g. Dresden's transl. of the MaanGS place does mention KS and PaarGS
>parallels, but none for Kaa.thGS). What place did Knauer have in mind?
>
>Can anyone who is more familiar than I am with the labyrinth of Ka.tha texts
>lend me a hand?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-- Arlo Griffiths
>
>CNWS / Instituut Kern
>Universiteit Leiden
>Postbus 9515
>2300 RA  Leiden
>the Netherlands
>
>tel.: +31-71-5274128

========================================================
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2 Divinity Avenue, Cambridge MA 02138, USA

ph. 1- 617-496 2990 (also messages)
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From A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Thu Mar 14 15:27:04 2002
From: A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 02 17:27:04 +0200
Subject: MaanavaGS mantra in Kaa.thakaGS?
Message-ID: <161227070670.23782.8899185602903701043.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists,

In his crit. app. to the mantras given in his ed. of the MaanGS, p. 58, and
again in his mantra-index, i.a. p. 153, Knauer suggests that the mantras in
question (bodha;s ca maa pratibodha;s ca ...) are found also in the
Kaa.thakag.rhyasuutra, besides their parallel in KS 37.10 and AV;S 8.1.13.
    However, the mantras are not found in the mantra-index to Caland's
Kaa.thGS ed., nor can I find a reference to a Kaa.thGS attestation anywhere
else (e.g. Dresden's transl. of the MaanGS place does mention KS and PaarGS
parallels, but none for Kaa.thGS). What place did Knauer have in mind?

Can anyone who is more familiar than I am with the labyrinth of Ka.tha texts
lend me a hand?

Thanks,

-- Arlo Griffiths

CNWS / Instituut Kern
Universiteit Leiden
Postbus 9515
2300 RA  Leiden
the Netherlands

tel.: +31-71-5274128




From gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Thu Mar 14 17:58:59 2002
From: gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 02 17:58:59 +0000
Subject: MaanavaGS mantra in Kaa.thakaGS?
In-Reply-To: <B8B68DE8.2604%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227070674.23782.6666728494365991931.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dr. Griffiths,

please try ManavaGS 2,15.1 for "bodhas ca ..."

As for the other mantras, I'll have to look them up in Knauer's
edition, which I don't have at hand.


Best regards

Reinhold Gr?nendahl


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From gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Thu Mar 14 18:00:16 2002
From: gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 02 18:00:16 +0000
Subject: MaanavaGS mantra in Kaa.thakaGS?
In-Reply-To: <B8B68DE8.2604%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227070677.23782.3588660084054850658.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Sorry, it seems I got the wrong end of the question!

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From mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Mar 15 13:10:57 2002
From: mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM (Mahes Raj Pant)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 02 13:10:57 +0000
Subject: Western Nepal
Message-ID: <161227070679.23782.16798971888520427431.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

In response to Jeffrey lidke's mail to INDOLOGY, dated 7 March, I would like
to tell something about a research programme sponsored by the Centre
national de la recherche scientifique (CNRS). This is a multi-disciplinary
project and mainly focuses on the Dullu-Dailekh area. Marie Lecomte-Tilouine
is working on historical ethography, Joelle Smadja on geography and myself
on the souce materials for the history of Western Nepal, to name a few
independent projects under UPR 299, a reseach unit within the CNRS.
One can find many publications on the Western Nepal, most of them written in
Nepali. Not long ago a fat book on history of the state of Accham , written
in Nepali by Rajaram Subedi, was released. But it should be noted that the
standard of such publications differs considerably,the quality depending
upon individual ability.
I would like to inform that now I am working on a  bibliographical essay
entitled 'Reseach on the History of Western Nepal'. I hope I shall be able
to publish it in the early months of next year.

Mahes Raj Pant



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From athr at LOC.GOV  Fri Mar 15 22:19:31 2002
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 02 17:19:31 -0500
Subject: Urdu mss at Library of Congress
Message-ID: <161227070681.23782.8688534157526035514.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The Library of Congress has a collection of several dozen Urdu
manuscripts, most  acquired recently.  If any scholars of Urdu have some
spare time during the Washington meeting of AAS I would be glad to bring
them to the reading room by preappointment for their examination so that
they could advise us on which are most important and should be cataloged
and preserved first.

Feel free to forward this appropriately.

Allen



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From lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM  Sun Mar 17 18:44:16 2002
From: lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM (Lynken Ghose)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 02 13:44:16 -0500
Subject: 3rd Summer School in Spoken Sankrit
Message-ID: <161227070683.23782.1101529712757248254.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dr. Michaels:

Is this class full? Ever think of offering this in the summer? I know I
asked you this last year, but just curious again.

Lynken Ghose


>From: Axel Michaels <Axel.Michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE>
>Reply-To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: 3rd Summer School in Spoken Sankrit
>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:58:00 +0100
>
>SUMMER SCHOOL IN SPOKEN SANSKRIT 2002
>
>The Department of Classical Indology offers you this unique opportunity to
>participate in a spoken Sanskrit course this summer under the tutelage of a
>Sanskrit native speaker. It is the aim of the course to enable students,
>particularly those pursuing Indological Studies, to overcome the perception
>of Sanskrit as a written language alone and, instead, to learn to
>pronounce, speak and recite it. The four-week course will make the study of
>Sanskrit a playful experience and demystify it.
>
>Prerequisites: Elementary knowledge of Sanskrit and English
>Organizer: Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
>Teacher: Shri Sadananda Das
>Venue: South Asia Institute
>Date: 02 - 27 September 2002
>Fees: Euro 250,- (including teaching material)
>Accomodation: can be arranged at the University Student Hostel
>
>Registration: until 15.05.2002
>by e-mail or letter to:
>The Sekretariat, Dept. of Classical Indology,
>South Asia Institute, Im Neuenheimer Feld 330,
>69120 Heidelberg, Germany
>Minimum number of participants is 10; Maximum number of participants is 15.
>
>After confirmation please pay by cheque to the above address or by bank
>transfer to following account:
>Universit?t Heidelberg
>21911 Sparkasse Heidelberg BLZ 672 500 20
>Reference: Sanskrit Summer School Sachkonto 54034 Kostenstelle 97028000
>
>For further information please contact:
>Christoph Emmrich
>Tel. 06221/54-6303
>Fax: 06221/54-6338
>christoph.emmrich at urz.uni-heidelberg.de




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From lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM  Sun Mar 17 20:16:17 2002
From: lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM (Lynken Ghose)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 02 15:16:17 -0500
Subject: apologies
Message-ID: <161227070686.23782.4079934913012326160.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List:

My apologies for sending the personal message? Lynken Ghose


>From: Lynken Ghose <lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: 3rd Summer School in Spoken Sankrit
>Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:44:16 -0500
>
>Dear Dr. Michaels:
>
>Is this class full? Ever think of offering this in the summer? I know I
>asked you this last year, but just curious again.
>
>Lynken Ghose
>
>
>>From: Axel Michaels <Axel.Michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE>
>>Reply-To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>Subject: 3rd Summer School in Spoken Sankrit
>>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:58:00 +0100
>>
>>SUMMER SCHOOL IN SPOKEN SANSKRIT 2002
>>
>>The Department of Classical Indology offers you this unique opportunity to
>>participate in a spoken Sanskrit course this summer under the tutelage of
>>a
>>Sanskrit native speaker. It is the aim of the course to enable students,
>>particularly those pursuing Indological Studies, to overcome the
>>perception
>>of Sanskrit as a written language alone and, instead, to learn to
>>pronounce, speak and recite it. The four-week course will make the study
>>of
>>Sanskrit a playful experience and demystify it.
>>
>>Prerequisites: Elementary knowledge of Sanskrit and English
>>Organizer: Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
>>Teacher: Shri Sadananda Das
>>Venue: South Asia Institute
>>Date: 02 - 27 September 2002
>>Fees: Euro 250,- (including teaching material)
>>Accomodation: can be arranged at the University Student Hostel
>>
>>Registration: until 15.05.2002
>>by e-mail or letter to:
>>The Sekretariat, Dept. of Classical Indology,
>>South Asia Institute, Im Neuenheimer Feld 330,
>>69120 Heidelberg, Germany
>>Minimum number of participants is 10; Maximum number of participants is
>>15.
>>
>>After confirmation please pay by cheque to the above address or by bank
>>transfer to following account:
>>Universit?t Heidelberg
>>21911 Sparkasse Heidelberg BLZ 672 500 20
>>Reference: Sanskrit Summer School Sachkonto 54034 Kostenstelle 97028000
>>
>>For further information please contact:
>>Christoph Emmrich
>>Tel. 06221/54-6303
>>Fax: 06221/54-6338
>>christoph.emmrich at urz.uni-heidelberg.de
>
>
>
>
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From Marion.Rastelli at OEAW.AC.AT  Wed Mar 20 08:37:10 2002
From: Marion.Rastelli at OEAW.AC.AT (Marion Rastelli)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 02 09:37:10 +0100
Subject: TAntrikAbhidhAnakoza project
Message-ID: <161227070689.23782.3741966427032571184.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The participants of the TAntrikAbhidhAnakoza project have prepared a
home page in order to introduce their work.

You are welcome to visit it under the address:
http://www.oeaw.ac.at/ias/tantra/index.htm

Marion Rastelli
Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia
Austrian Academy of Sciences




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Thu Mar 21 16:01:38 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 02 08:01:38 -0800
Subject: Ayurvedic immunisation system against smallpox
In-Reply-To: <F724ckbXoUSHzkXED0x0001a08f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227070703.23782.10534185488507593994.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

That is not necessary for Mahesh.  My answer to him presupposed this.  I
have already searched these and other texts. This is a question for
specialists, not answerable by general knowledge.  :-)

DW

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Lynken Ghose wrote:

> Dear Mahesh:
>
> Have you looked through the Caraka Samhita, the Susruta and Vagbhata's
> Astangahrdaya? These texts might be a good place to start.
>
> Lynken Ghose
>
>
> >Dear List Members
> >These days I am working on Nepalese administrative documents directing
> >vaidya-s to immune the people aginst smallpox. Can you tell me where one
> >can
> >find a description of the Ayurvedic method of immunisation against
> >smallpox?
> >In addition, can you suggest an authentic publication on the deification of
> >dead Combodian kings? I have collected parallel references from Nepalese
> >inscriptions.
> >
> >Mahes Raj Pant
> >
> >
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From mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Mar 21 08:23:02 2002
From: mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM (Mahes Raj Pant)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 02 08:23:02 +0000
Subject: Ayurvedic immunisation system against smallpox
Message-ID: <161227070691.23782.12879380311607332651.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List Members
These days I am working on Nepalese administrative documents directing
vaidya-s to immune the people aginst smallpox. Can you tell me where one can
find a description of the Ayurvedic method of immunisation against smallpox?
In addition, can you suggest an authentic publication on the deification of
dead Combodian kings? I have collected parallel references from Nepalese
inscriptions.

Mahes Raj Pant


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From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Thu Mar 21 14:03:06 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 02 09:03:06 -0500
Subject: J R Ballantyne's Sanskrit Work: nyaayasuutrakaumudii
Message-ID: <161227070693.23782.1001129903731768350.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Among the old books I acquired in Pune some years ago is a Sanskrit work
composed by J.R. Ballantyne (1813-1864).  It is written in the style of
Tarkasamgraha, but tries to reconcile Indian logic, epistemology, and
metaphysics with western ideas of the time.  The colophon at the end of the
first Adhyaaya reads: iti zriimaj-Jems-BaalaNTaina-viracitaayaaM
nyaayasuutra-kaumudyaam prathamo 'dhyaayaH samaaptaH.  My copy contains the
first two Adhyaayas of this work.  At the end of the 2nd Adhyaaya,
Ballantyne says that he will consider the concepts of saMkhyaa and
parimaaNa in the next PrakaraNa.  That indicates that he intended to
continue the work, though I have no idea if he ever did.  My copy does not
have a cover page, and hence contains to info about where and when this
work was published.  If anyone has come across this work, I would like to
know more about it.  Thanks.

                                                Madhav Deshpande




From mkapstei at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu Mar 21 15:21:26 2002
From: mkapstei at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 02 09:21:26 -0600
Subject: Ayurvedic immunisation system against smallpox
In-Reply-To: <F164Bk31TZ14eBa1kg30000076d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <161227070698.23782.1383258559030463198.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This may not be a question of "ayurvedic" immunization.
Hugh Richardson (I believe) once wrote on a Qing dynasty smallpox
immunization program in Lhasa, during the late 18th century.
This may well have become known in Nepal.
Some knowledge of Chinese immunization methods may have
also been current in SE Asia, of course.

Matthew Kapstein




From lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Mar 21 15:44:15 2002
From: lynkenghose at HOTMAIL.COM (Lynken Ghose)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 02 10:44:15 -0500
Subject: Ayurvedic immunisation system against smallpox
Message-ID: <161227070700.23782.17278019445540999451.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Mahesh:

Have you looked through the Caraka Samhita, the Susruta and Vagbhata's
Astangahrdaya? These texts might be a good place to start.

Lynken Ghose


>Dear List Members
>These days I am working on Nepalese administrative documents directing
>vaidya-s to immune the people aginst smallpox. Can you tell me where one
>can
>find a description of the Ayurvedic method of immunisation against
>smallpox?
>In addition, can you suggest an authentic publication on the deification of
>dead Combodian kings? I have collected parallel references from Nepalese
>inscriptions.
>
>Mahes Raj Pant
>
>
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From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Thu Mar 21 15:55:27 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 02 15:55:27 +0000
Subject: J R Ballantyne's Sanskrit Work: nyaayasuutrakaumudii
Message-ID: <161227070695.23782.10956016780750402741.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Could this be his
"Lectures on the Nyaya Philosphy, embracing the text of the Tarka
sangraha", Allahabad 1849?

This was followed by his lectures on Vedanta and:

"A lecture on the Samkhya philosphy, embracing the text of the Tattwa
Samasa", Mirzapore 1850.

For more detailed information I'll have to check the volumes
(tomorrow, if that will do).

Best regards

Reinhold Gruenendahl


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Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

37070 Goettingen, Germany
Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de

FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN:
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http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindole.htm

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
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From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri Mar 22 18:16:46 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 02 12:16:46 -0600
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <2002Mar22.194016@YV1041.spb.edu>
Message-ID: <161227070710.23782.12686452593154699043.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:

Could someone more adept at calendars and conversion programs be able
to help me with a date? Samvat 1560 [= 1503 CE], month Caitra,
fullmoon day [naksatra given but the name is torn in the ms], and it
is a zanivaara [Saturday]. What day and month of the year would this
be? Thanks.

Patrick




From gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Fri Mar 22 12:44:39 2002
From: gruenen at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 02 12:44:39 +0000
Subject: J R Ballantyne's Sanskrit Work: nyaayasuutrakaumudii
Message-ID: <161227070705.23782.6401612156244150731.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At a closer look, it seems that the book in question could be:

Pandit Sukh Dajal Shastri (ed.):
Nyaya Kaumudi synopsis of science by Dr. J. Ballantyne, LL.D., in
Sanskrit.
2nd ed. Lahore : Panjab University 1885.
311 pp., 24 x 17 cm.
If the latter data do not match your book, it could be one of the
other editions of the same work. (See India Office Lib. Cat.,
Sanskrit books, vol.2, part 1, section 4, p. 2687)

To my knowledge, Ballantyne did not publish a similar book on
Samkhya. However, he edited various booklets on the subject for use
in the Benares College.
You can find these if you search for "Ballantyne, James Robert" in
the Karlsruher Virtueller Katalog
http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib/en/kvk.html
(click "Gemeinsamer BV" and "Library of Congress")

or directly in the G?ttingen OPAC:
http://goopc4.sub.uni-goettingen.de:8080/DB=1/LNG=EN/

Best regards

Reinhold Gr?nendahl


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Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

37070 G?ttingen, Germany
Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de

FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN:
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindolo.htm
In English:
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From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri Mar 22 19:44:59 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 02 13:44:59 -0600
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b8c132ce02e4@[128.146.41.35]>
Message-ID: <161227070715.23782.4649365944723637910.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The ms. is from Nagpur; the ms was probably written near Bombay in Rajapur.

Patrick



>I need to know the era
>or a place of origin
>
>John
>
>>Friends:
>>
>>Could someone more adept at calendars and conversion programs be able
>>to help me with a date? Samvat 1560 [= 1503 CE], month Caitra,
>>fullmoon day [naksatra given but the name is torn in the ms], and it
>>is a zanivaara [Saturday]. What day and month of the year would this
>>be? Thanks.
>>
>>Patrick




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Fri Mar 22 19:20:38 2002
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 02 14:20:38 -0500
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <p05100323b8c124aa966d@[216.62.201.242]>
Message-ID: <161227070712.23782.14258514210683549531.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I need to know the era
or a place of origin

John

>Friends:
>
>Could someone more adept at calendars and conversion programs be able
>to help me with a date? Samvat 1560 [= 1503 CE], month Caitra,
>fullmoon day [naksatra given but the name is torn in the ms], and it
>is a zanivaara [Saturday]. What day and month of the year would this
>be? Thanks.
>
>Patrick




From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU  Fri Mar 22 16:40:16 2002
From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 02 19:40:16 +0300
Subject: stem (?) of munja grass
Message-ID: <161227070707.23782.18254285309744497786.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear colleagues,
        in the AnugItA (Mbh 14, 19.21-22) and in other SAMkhyayic
texts a comparison is used which refers to some structural
peculiarity of the munja grass which remains unclear to me. It is
said, in particular:

iSIkAM vA yathA munjAt kazcin nirhRtya darzayet  /
yogI niSkRtam AtmANaM yathA saMpazyate tanau  // 19.21
munjaM zarIraM tasyA' hur iSIkAm Atmani zritam  / 19.22ab

        As far as I can understand this and similar contexts, the object of comparison is
the stem of the munja grass, which is hidden from sight somehow (is probably deep
inside the blade of grass). If a man happens to cut or tear the leaf and take the
stem out once, then he knows where the stem hides in the blade, can 'see' it and
show it to others. In the same way the yogin who obtained once the vision of
Atman inside himself, from that moment is able to see it not only inside himself,
but probably also in the bodies of other living beings.

        Has anybody seen the munja grass? Could not you explain the structure of this plant?
Is the stem really hidden inside its blade or stalk or something? Maybe you know a book
containing a picture of the plant and/or its description?

        Many thanks in advance.
        Regards,
                                                        Yaroslav Vassilkov

---
Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu)
Institute of Oriental Studies
Fri, 22 Mar 102 18:38 +0300 MSK




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Fri Mar 22 19:54:31 2002
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 02 20:54:31 +0100
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b8c132ce02e4@[128.146.41.35]>
Message-ID: <161227070717.23782.10803332728475752213.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Could someone more adept at calendars and conversion programs be able
>to help me with a date? Samvat 1560 [= 1503 CE], month Caitra,
>fullmoon day [naksatra given but the name is torn in the ms], and it
>is a zanivaara [Saturday]. What day and month of the year would this
>be? Thanks.

As far as I can see, there was no full moon in Caitra corresponding to
Saturday in 1503 CE. My guess -- assuming that your author calculated his
tithis with reasonable accuracy -- is that you want 30 March, 1504 CE
(Julian calendar), which was a Saturday. The nakshatra would then be Citra
for most of the day.

Regards,
Martin Gansten




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Sat Mar 23 15:09:35 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 02 07:09:35 -0800
Subject: "Saptannam"?
Message-ID: <161227070723.23782.10833614492960507232.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I've got a reference in the Kasyapasamhita to "saptannam", the "seven
foods".  I can't find out easily what these might be.  Anyone?

Thanks,

Dominik




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Sat Mar 23 15:28:19 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 02 07:28:19 -0800
Subject: saptaanna
Message-ID: <161227070726.23782.3815008731707410435.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Oh, I should have said, I don't think the Kasyapasamhita is referring to
the "saptaannam" of Brhadaranyakopanisat 5.  I think it is something more
prosaic, like seven particular types of grain, perhaps.

Dominik




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Sat Mar 23 07:31:11 2002
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 02 08:31:11 +0100
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <200203230010.JAA29058@cc2001.kyoto-su.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <161227070721.23782.14557576903060751199.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>I tried, with my pancanga program, the year before (AD 1502) thinking of
>the possiblity of the year number as current instead of expired or it is
>Karttikaadi instead of Caitraadi, but the weekday did not fit.
>I do not understand how Virakma 1560 corresponds to AD 1504.
>I wonder whether it is really Vikrama Samvat.

Yes. The original posting did not specify the era. What about the
possibility of error in the author's calculations of tithis? I am not very
familiar with the ganita side of classical jyotisha.

Martin Gansten




From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP  Sat Mar 23 00:10:35 2002
From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 02 09:10:35 +0900
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020322205431.0086a9d0@pop.lu.se>
Message-ID: <161227070719.23782.16009495235699020968.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Could someone more adept at calendars and conversion programs be able
>to help me with a date? Samvat 1560 [= 1503 CE], month Caitra,
>fullmoon day [naksatra given but the name is torn in the ms], and it
>is a zanivaara [Saturday]. What day and month of the year would this
>be? Thanks.

Martin> As far as I can see, there was no full moon in Caitra corresponding to
Martin> Saturday in 1503 CE. My guess -- assuming that your author calculated his
Martin> tithis with reasonable accuracy -- is that you want 30 March, 1504 CE
Martin> (Julian calendar), which was a Saturday. The nakshatra would then be Citra
Martin> for most of the day.

I tried, with my pancanga program, the year before (AD 1502) thinking of
the possiblity of the year number as current instead of expired or it is
Karttikaadi instead of Caitraadi, but the weekday did not fit.
I do not understand how Virakma 1560 corresponds to AD 1504.
I wonder whether it is really Vikrama Samvat.

Michio YANO                    Tel +81-75-705-1781
Faculty of Cultural Studies    Fax +81-75-705-1799
Kyoto Sangyo University        e-mail: yanom at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp
Kyoto 603-8555 Japan           http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Sat Mar 23 16:23:53 2002
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 02 17:23:53 +0100
Subject: saptaanna
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0203230726590.3212-100000@Anat-lws119.anat.u              cl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <161227070728.23782.12701517838242086197.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

>Oh, I should have said, I don't think the Kasyapasamhita is referring to
>the "saptaannam" of Brhadaranyakopanisat 5.  I think it is something more
>prosaic, like seven particular types of grain, perhaps.

Could it be something similar to 'annam caturvidham' in BhG 15.14 (defined
by several commentators as that which is chewed, swallowed, licked and
sucked, respectively)? Just a thought...

Martin




From mccomas at CRES.ANU.EDU.AU  Sun Mar 24 21:25:51 2002
From: mccomas at CRES.ANU.EDU.AU (mccomas)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 08:25:51 +1100
Subject: Ayurvedic immunisation system against smallpox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203210916090.25966-100000@harper.uchicago.e du>
Message-ID: <161227070730.23782.14129760979854924067.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The Chinese technique for immunisation against smallpox is recorded on a
stele that still stands in front of the Jokhang in downtown Lhasa. I think
this is described by Hugh Richardson in his book on historical inscriptions
in Tibet. Interestingly, the stele came to possess medicinal properties in
its own right. For centuries people have ground the surface of the stele
with stones to collect the pulverised material for medicine. Ironically the
stele itself is now covered 'pock-marks'.

McComas


At 09:21  21/03/02 -0600, you wrote:
>This may not be a question of "ayurvedic" immunization.
>Hugh Richardson (I believe) once wrote on a Qing dynasty smallpox
>immunization program in Lhasa, during the late 18th century.
>This may well have become known in Nepal.
>Some knowledge of Chinese immunization methods may have
>also been current in SE Asia, of course.
>
>Matthew Kapstein




From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Mon Mar 25 09:15:29 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 09:15:29 +0000
Subject: Calendar
Message-ID: <161227070735.23782.8458795362732958750.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Friends:
>
> Could someone more adept at calendars and conversion programs be able
> to help me with a date? Samvat 1560 [= 1503 CE], month Caitra,
> fullmoon day [naksatra given but the name is torn in the ms], and it
> is a zanivaara [Saturday]. What day and month of the year would this
> be? Thanks.
>
> Patrick

Just a guess:
Subtracting 56 (instead of 57) for the expired karttikadi
(instead of caitradi) year of the Vikrama era, I get 1504 CE, in
which Caitra-purnima was on Saturday, 4 March 1504, the naksatra
being Hasta (cf. Swamikannu Pillai, Indian Ephemeris, vol. 5, p. 210).


Best regards

Reinhold Gruenendahl


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Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

37070 Goettingen, Germany
Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
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In English:
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GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From p.friedlander at LATROBE.EDU.AU  Sun Mar 24 23:51:13 2002
From: p.friedlander at LATROBE.EDU.AU (Peter Friedlander)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 10:51:13 +1100
Subject: Three/four watches
Message-ID: <161227070733.23782.6392485737493868810.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List members,

There are three watches in the night in the Pali Canon account of the
Buddha's enlightenment.
By the medieval period Indian time used four watches, as in Hindi poetry
about the asta-jam, eight watches of life (night and day)
Any ideas when India switched from three to four watches for the night?

--------------------------------------------
Dr Peter G. Friedlander
Open Learning Buddhism/Hindi Co-ordinator
Asian Studies
La Trobe University, VIC 3086
Australia
Tel: (03) 9479 2064
Fax: (03) 9479 1880
Email: p.friedlander at latrobe.edu.au
WWW: www.bodhgayanews.net




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Mon Mar 25 17:01:21 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 11:01:21 -0600
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020323083111.00868af0@pop.lu.se>
Message-ID: <161227070746.23782.6398482592457226387.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Martin and Michio:

Thanks for your ideas. Let me give you the text itself, because there
appears to be some confusion:  zriisaMvat 1560 varZe caitramaase
sukla [broken ms] nakSatre paurNamaayaaM tithau zanivaare . So there
is no indication about what Samvat this is; but given that this is a
Maharastrian ms. it is likely that it is Vikrama. Hope this helps.


Patrick




From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Mon Mar 25 12:35:48 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 12:35:48 +0000
Subject: Calendar
Message-ID: <161227070739.23782.18109071010508793240.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Michio Yano's expert reckoning is perfectly in tune with Swamikannu
Pillai.
By mistake I slipped into the wrong column and gave "March 4" instead
of March 30.
Sorry for the confusion.

Reinhold Gruenendahl


********************************************************************

Dr. Reinhold Gruenendahl
Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

37070 Goettingen, Germany
Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de

FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN:
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindolo.htm
In English:
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindole.htm

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP  Mon Mar 25 09:48:43 2002
From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 18:48:43 +0900
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <3CCF67F6993@mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227070737.23782.1232716399367405523.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Reinhold Gruenendahl said:

gruenendahl> Just a guess:
> Subtracting 56 (instead of 57) for the expired karttikadi
> (instead of caitradi) year of the Vikrama era, I get 1504 CE, in
> which Caitra-purnima was on Saturday, 4 March 1504, the naksatra
> being Hasta (cf. Swamikannu Pillai, Indian Ephemeris, vol. 5, p. 210).

The first two lines are correct, but the next two lines are mistaken.
4 March 1504 is Monday instead of Saturday.

I got a correct answer with my program as follows:


  AD 1504  3  30 Saturday | JD (at noon)= 2270483 | Kali-ahargana= 1682017
 ==============================================================================
  Pancanga based on Suryasiddhanta (sunrise) at latitude=23.2, longitude=75.8
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Nirayana  True Longitude   |  Lunar Month Names      |  Solar Month Names
   Sun           0s  2d 48'  6"  |
   Moon          5s 26d  9' 11"  |  Caitra      Asvina     |  Mesa     Tula
   Mercury       0s 19d 37' 23"  |  Vaisakha    Karttika   |  Vrsa     Vrscika
   Venus        10s 17d  2' 56"  |  Jyaistha    Margasirsa |  Mithuna  Dhanus
   Mars          3s  2d 57' 27"  |  Asadha      Pausa      |  Karkata  Makara
   Jupiter       2s 23d 21' 27"  |  Sravana     Magha      |  Simha    Kumbha
   Saturn        2s 22d 48' 54"  |  Bhadrapada  Phalguna   |  Kanya    Mina
   Candrocca     7s 27d 58' 33"  |
   Rahu         11s  8d 37' 55"  |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Indian date (luni-solar year and amanta month)  (*) local sunrise... 5h 49m
 year(atita):Saka 1426 |Vikrama 1561 |Kali 4605 | ayanamsa: 15d  4m
             Jovian(North):prajApati(5) |Jovian(South):raktAkSa(58)
 lunar month, paksa, and tithi(at sunrise):
       Caitra     Suklapaksa 15 (fraction = 0.445)
 solar month and day: Mesa    4 (samkranti: on 1504  3 26 at  9h  2m)
 naksatra.... Citra  /  karana...viSTi       /  yoga...harSaNa
--------------------------------------------------------------------

In this list Vikrama year is output as 1561 because my program
is Caitraai (already changed on Caitra zukrapratipad), but
if the calendar is Kaarttikaadi the year is still 1560.

I will soon upload the revised version pancanga3.10 in my
web page.

Michio YANO                    Tel +81-75-705-1781
Faculty of Cultural Studies    Fax +81-75-705-1799
Kyoto Sangyo University        e-mail: yanom at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp
Kyoto 603-8555 Japan           http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/




From ddsg at SATYAM.NET.IN  Mon Mar 25 15:53:38 2002
From: ddsg at SATYAM.NET.IN (Dominic Goodall)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 20:53:38 +0500
Subject: praaye.na hii"svaraa muurkhaa.h pa.n.ditaa api nirdhanaa.h
Message-ID: <161227070743.23782.15523180124814811382.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Might any readers know the source of the following verse
(quoted in Vallabhadeva's commentary on "Si"supaalavadha 1:55 and
in Hemaadri's commentary on Raghuva.m"sa 3:32):

yasya prasadaad aakaare krodhahar.sabhayaadaya.h|
bhaavasthaa nopalabhyante tadgaambhiiryamudaah.rtam|| ?

Has anyone seen the following verse quoted:
padaatipaadoddhatare.nudhuusarair mahiik.sitaa.m vya~njita"sakti maulibhi.h|
upo.dhapaadas tam upo.dhayauvana.m nive"sayaamaasa pitaa yathaavidhi|| ?

And is anyone aware of a source for the following:
agni.h pibati puurva.m hi ?

Is anyone aware of usages of the word golaka used in the sense of forearm
(prako.s.tha) ?

Or for this half-verse:
praaye.na hii"svaraa muurkhaa.h pa.n.ditaa api nirdhanaa.h| ?


Dominic Goodall
Harunaga Isaacson




From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP  Mon Mar 25 14:12:35 2002
From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 02 23:12:35 +0900
Subject: Three/four watches
In-Reply-To: <004a01c1d38e$c86280c0$1b9fac83@Frielander.asia.latrobe.edu.au>
Message-ID: <161227070741.23782.10143550756541980542.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dr Peter G. Friedlander wrote:

Peter> There are three watches in the night in the Pali Canon account of the
Peter> Buddha's enlightenment.
Peter> By the medieval period Indian time used four watches, as in Hindi poetry
Peter> about the asta-jam, eight watches of life (night and day)
Peter> Any ideas when India switched from three to four watches for the night?

I forwarded this message to Prof. S R Sarma of Aligarh who is
now at hand in Kyoto.  H sent me an answer as follows:

--------------------
Dear Prof. Yano,

The day is divided into 4 praharas and the night into 4 yaamas.  However,
the first and last half yaamas of the night are not taken into account
because there is light enough immediately after the sun and before sunrise
for people to engage in various activities.  Thus there remain three yaamas
when it is really dark.  And hence the night is called tri-yaamaa in
Sanskrit;  and various monastic orders perform rituals in these three
yaamas.

S. R. Sarma
--------------------------------

I hope this answer helps.

Michio YANO                    Tel +81-75-705-1781
Faculty of Cultural Studies    Fax +81-75-705-1799
Kyoto Sangyo University        e-mail: yanom at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp
Kyoto 603-8555 Japan           http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/




From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP  Tue Mar 26 00:24:00 2002
From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 02 09:24:00 +0900
Subject: Calendar
In-Reply-To: <p05100333b8c507ac5ce2@[216.62.201.242]>
Message-ID: <161227070748.23782.7165445898167116701.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Patrick Olivelle,

You said:
Patrick> Thanks for your ideas. Let me give you the text itself, because there
Patrick> appears to be some confusion:  zriisaMvat 1560 varZe caitramaase
Patrick> sukla [broken ms] nakSatre paurNamaayaaM tithau zanivaare . So there
Patrick> is no indication about what Samvat this is; but given that this is a
Patrick> Maharastrian ms. it is likely that it is Vikrama. Hope this helps.

I tried with Saka samvat both atiita and vartamaana years
and Caitraadi (usually Saka years are Caitraadi), but
they are not Saturday.  I think the result I sent yesterday
is correct.

Michio Yano




From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Mar 27 23:12:11 2002
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 02 18:12:11 -0500
Subject: history of text of the Avesta
Message-ID: <161227070750.23782.12809928953553409673.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Could anyone provide me with a bibliography of the process by which the
text of the Avesta was generated, transmitted, fixed, and the transition
to its being written down?  I am interested in possible parallels and
divergences with these process in the case of the Vedas.

I posted this on the largely quiescent Indo-Iranian group and got no
response except for someone who expressed a similar interest.
Thanks,

Allen Thrasher



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Senior Reference Librarian       101 Independence Ave., SE
Southern Asia Section               LJ-150
Asian Division                            Washington, DC 20540-4810
Library of Congress                     U.S.A.
tel. 202-707-3732                       fax 202-707-1724
Email: athr at loc.gov

The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of the
Library of Congress.




From dean_anderson at YAHOO.COM  Thu Mar 28 01:31:37 2002
From: dean_anderson at YAHOO.COM (Dean Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 02 20:31:37 -0500
Subject: Which South Asian Studies journal?
Message-ID: <161227070752.23782.9364578786151672510.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I'm trying to find the following article but there are several journals that
are called South Asian studies published in Delhi, Jaipur, Islamabad,
Lahore, etc.

Does anyone know which one this article is in? I'm doing a card catalog
search before I fly 1000 miles to the library to get it, which is why I
can't just scan the shelves.

Erdosy, George .  "Ethnicity in the Rigveda and its Bearing on the Question
of
 Indo-European Origins."  South Asian Studies.  5  (1989): 35-47.




From sbaums at GMX.NET  Thu Mar 28 09:19:23 2002
From: sbaums at GMX.NET (Stefan Baums)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 10:19:23 +0100
Subject: Which South Asian Studies journal?
In-Reply-To: <l03020905b8c8255f11e5@[131.172.159.31]>
Message-ID: <161227070758.23782.1421440527559605201.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Thursday, 28 March 2002, Dr. Greg Bailey wrote:
> Isn't this the South Asian Studies produced from SOAS?

Not SOAS, but Cambridge, I think.  Should be the same journal that
Allchin and Norman's "Guide to the Asokan inscriptions" appeared in
(vol. 1, 1985, pp. 43-50).

Stefan Baums

--
Stefan Baums
Asien-Instituttet
K?benhavns Universitet




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Thu Mar 28 18:37:29 2002
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 10:37:29 -0800
Subject: stem (?) of munja grass
In-Reply-To: <2002Mar22.194016@YV1041.spb.edu>
Message-ID: <161227070767.23782.7503549680355865678.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Vidyaara.nya's Pa;cada;sii (7th NSP edn, 1949), verse 1.42:
yathaa mu;njaad i.siikaivam aatmaa yuktyaa samuddh.rta.h /
;sariira-tritayaad dhirai.h para.m brahmaiva jaayate //

Commentator Raamak.r.s.na on this:

yathaa yena prakaare.na mu;njaad etan-naamakaat t.r.na-vi;se.saad i.siikaa
garbhastha.m komala.m t.r.na.m yuktyaa bahir-aavarakatvena sthitaanaa.m
sthuula-patraa.naa.m vibhajana-lak.sa.nopaayena samuddhriyate, evam aatmaapi
yuktyaa anvaya-vyatireka-lak.sa.nopaayena ;sariira-tritayaat
puurvoktaac-chariira-tritayaat dhirai.h brahmacaryaadi-saadhana-sa.mpannair
adhikaaribhi.h samuddh.rta.h p.rthak-k.rta;s cet sa para.m brahmaiva
jaayate.

I do not know where a picture of mu;nja grass can be found. However, the
references in literature indicate that the grass must have been in common
use for girdles of boys undergoing initiation and for making of  ropes,
mats, footwear, nooses  etc.  See An Illustrated Ardha-magadhi Dictionary,
vol. 4, pp. 181-82, in addition to Sm.rti literature in general under
mau;njii.


On 22-03-2002 08:40, "Yaroslav Vassilkov" <yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU> wrote:

>       As far as I can understand this and similar contexts, the object of
> comparison is
> the stem of the munja grass, which is hidden from sight somehow (is probably
> deep
> inside the blade of grass). If a man happens to cut or tear the leaf and take
> the
> stem out once, then he knows where the stem hides in the blade, can 'see' it
> and
> show it to others. In the same way the yogin who obtained once the vision of
> Atman inside himself, from that moment is able to see it not only inside
> himself,
> but probably also in the bodies of other living beings.




From Greg.Bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU  Thu Mar 28 01:42:35 2002
From: Greg.Bailey at LATROBE.EDU.AU (Dr. Greg Bailey)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 12:42:35 +1100
Subject: Which South Asian Studies journal?
In-Reply-To: <00f801c1d5f8$55c89920$2202a8c0@WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <161227070754.23782.6338704274824855235.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dean,

Isn't this the South Asian Studies produced from SOAS?

Greg Bailey

>I'm trying to find the following article but there are several journals that
>are called South Asian studies published in Delhi, Jaipur, Islamabad,
>Lahore, etc.
>
>Does anyone know which one this article is in? I'm doing a card catalog
>search before I fly 1000 miles to the library to get it, which is why I
>can't just scan the shelves.
>
>Erdosy, George .  "Ethnicity in the Rigveda and its Bearing on the Question
>of
> Indo-European Origins."  South Asian Studies.  5  (1989): 35-47.




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Thu Mar 28 13:27:14 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 13:27:14 +0000
Subject: Which South Asian Studies journal?
In-Reply-To: <20020328091923.GF13201@deepthought>
Message-ID: <161227070760.23782.4206745836860949816.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It's probably ISSN 0266-6030 :

        South Asian Studies: Journal of the Society for South Asian
        Studies, c/o The British Academy.

--
Dr Dominik Wujastyk
Wellcome Trust Senior Research Fellow
Wellcome Centre for the History of Medicine at UCL
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/histmed/




From dean_anderson at YAHOO.COM  Thu Mar 28 19:56:17 2002
From: dean_anderson at YAHOO.COM (Dean Anderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 14:56:17 -0500
Subject: Erdosy email
Message-ID: <161227070769.23782.17703902072818114574.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks for the information on the Erdosy article. I can't seem to find in it
the University libraries I use.

Does anyone have George Erdosy's email?

Thanks,

Dean Anderson, PhD




From jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK  Thu Mar 28 15:11:30 2002
From: jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK (Julia Leslie)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 15:11:30 +0000
Subject: Erdosy article
Message-ID: <161227070764.23782.9755178851124946350.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Regarding the Erdosy article

Erdosy, George .  "Ethnicity in the Rigveda and its Bearing on the
Question of
 Indo-European Origins."  South Asian Studies.  5  (1989): 35-47.

I have a copy in front of me right now. Journal of the Society of
South Asian Studies (red volume), c/o The British Academy, London.

Julia Leslie


Dr I J Leslie
Department of the Study of Religions
SOAS




From chlodwig.h.werba at UNIVIE.AC.AT  Thu Mar 28 15:05:05 2002
From: chlodwig.h.werba at UNIVIE.AC.AT (srutavega)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 16:05:05 +0100
Subject: upastaavakavasantamahotsavayo.h
In-Reply-To: <sca20aa1.000@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227070762.23782.10883039342273428721.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk]Im Auftrag von Allen W
> Thrasher
> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 28. M?rz 2002 0.12
> An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> Betreff: history of text of the Avesta
>
> Could anyone provide me with a bibliography of the process by which the
> text of the Avesta was generated, transmitted, fixed, and the transition
> to its being written down?  I am interested in possible parallels and
> divergences with these process in the case of the Vedas.
>
> I posted this on the largely quiescent Indo-Iranian group and got no
> response except for someone who expressed a similar interest.
> Thanks,
>
> Allen Thrasher
>
>
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
>
> Senior Reference Librarian       101 Independence Ave., SE
> Southern Asia Section               LJ-150
> Asian Division                            Washington, DC 20540-4810
> Library of Congress                     U.S.A.
> tel. 202-707-3732                       fax 202-707-1724
> Email: athr at loc.gov
>
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of the
> Library of Congress.
>

Dear Colleague,
I really can't imagine that no one of Your "Indo-Iranian group" answered to
Your request. Anyway, the relevant study for Your quest where You will find
all the references to earlier publications is:

Karl Hoffmann - Johanna Narten, Der Sasanidische Archetyp. Untersuchungen
zur Schreibung und Lautgestalt des Avestischen. Wiesbaden: Dr. Ludwig
Reichert Verlag, 1989.

A short summary of their results (also in German) You will find in the
introductory part of the ALF, i.e.:

Karl Hoffmann - Bernhard Forssman, Avestische Laut- und Flexionslehre. [IBS
84]. Innsbruck: Institut f?r Sprachwissenschaft der Universit?t, 1996.

Although in my eyes therein the ultima ratio concerning the transmission of
the Avesta text is contained (with obvious parallels to the Vedas), I don't
want to withhold from You the most recent publication in this area of
Iranian Studies (at least according to my knowledge) by the chair holder of
Indo-Iranian studies in Paris, although in the main it tries to deconstruct
Hoffmann's views without paying any regard to Ockham's razor:

Jean Kellens, Consid?rations sur l'histoire de l'Avesta. JA 286 (1998)
451-519.

In any case this voluminous article might help You in detecting some further
parallels.

Last, but not least we have two articles of the holder of the Agha Kan Chair
in Harvard which should not be neglected, especially because of their paying
regard to further secondary literature and also introducing some aspects of
literary history (which find their counterparts in Vedic):

Prods Oktor Skjaervo, The Avesta as Source for the Early History of the
Iranians. In: George Erdosy (ed.), The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia.
Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity. [IPSAS 1]. Berlin - New York 1995,
p. 155-176, and
Id., Hymnic Composition in the Avesta. Die Sprache 36 (1994[98]) 199-241.

Hoping that German will pose no problems to You, I remain with my best
wishes to You and all of the members of this list, at this pratipad of the
Feast of Pascha / Easter

                                kaamasukhaaya vo bhuuyaad, vasantasyotsava.h ?samaat //

Chlodwig H. Werba / ?Srutavega
Institute of South Asian-, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies
University of Vienna.




From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu Mar 28 22:22:30 2002
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 17:22:30 -0500
Subject: Erdosy email
In-Reply-To: <007101c1d692$9fed8fc0$2202a8c0@WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <161227070771.23782.318343199313590211.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

It is :

<uerdosy at oise.utoronto.ca>



>Does anyone have George Erdosy's email?
>
>Dean Anderson, PhD

========================================================
Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University
2 Divinity Avenue, Cambridge MA 02138, USA

ph. 1- 617-496 2990 (also messages)
home page:  http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm




From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP  Thu Mar 28 08:33:42 2002
From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 17:33:42 +0900
Subject: pancanga updated
Message-ID: <161227070756.23782.9770588479361407798.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List Members,

I have uploaded pancanga3.10, a new version of Indian calendar program.
In this version we added the option for geographical longitude.
You can ran the program at my web page:
http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/

or you can download the source script and run it with your Perl
environment.

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Faculty of Cultural Studies    Fax +81-75-705-1799
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From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri Mar 29 01:31:06 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 02 19:31:06 -0600
Subject: Erdosy email
In-Reply-To: <007101c1d692$9fed8fc0$2202a8c0@WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <161227070773.23782.5581427047489756880.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

His e-mail is:  uerdosy at oise.utoronto.ca




>Thanks for the information on the Erdosy article. I can't seem to find in it
>the University libraries I use.
>
>Does anyone have George Erdosy's email?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dean Anderson, PhD




From vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE  Fri Mar 29 08:23:03 2002
From: vielle at ORI.UCL.AC.BE (Vielle Christophe)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 02 09:23:03 +0100
Subject: history of text of the Avesta
In-Reply-To: <sca20aa1.000@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227070775.23782.3681696952730907394.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I think that the recent researches of Jean Kellens (Coll?ge de France) on
the subject are important:
"Consid?rations sur l'histoire de l'Avesta", Journal asiatique 286, 1998,
p. 451-519.
(cf. the short English summary of the first part of that long study: "The
written period of transmission of the Avesta", Journal of the Research and
Historical Preservation Committe 2, Womelsdorf, 1996, p. 121-125).
See also:
Eric Pirart, "Le Mihr YaZt est-il le Mihr YaZt?", Studia Asiatica 1/1-2,
Bucarest, 2000, p. 77-113.

>Could anyone provide me with a bibliography of the process by which the
>text of the Avesta was generated, transmitted, fixed, and the transition
>to its being written down?  I am interested in possible parallels and
>divergences with these process in the case of the Vedas.
>
>I posted this on the largely quiescent Indo-Iranian group and got no
>response except for someone who expressed a similar interest.
>Thanks,
>
>Allen Thrasher
>
>
>
>Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
>
>Senior Reference Librarian       101 Independence Ave., SE
>Southern Asia Section               LJ-150
>Asian Division                            Washington, DC 20540-4810
>Library of Congress                     U.S.A.
>tel. 202-707-3732                       fax 202-707-1724
>Email: athr at loc.gov
>
>The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of the
>Library of Congress.


Dr. Christophe Vielle
Centre d'Etudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
Institut orientaliste
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E-mail: vielle at ori.ucl.ac.be




From jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK  Fri Mar 29 10:02:06 2002
From: jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK (Julia Leslie)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 02 10:02:06 +0000
Subject: Erdosy paper
Message-ID: <161227070778.23782.12528052675492505603.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dean,

It's an interesting paper. I can send you a photocopy, if you like.
But it'll take a few days since everything here has closed for Easter.
Just let me know.

Julia

=================
On 28 Mar 02, at 14:56, Dean Anderson wrote:

> Thanks for the information on the Erdosy article. I can't seem to find
> in it the University libraries I use.
>
> Does anyone have George Erdosy's email?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dean Anderson, PhD

Dr I J Leslie
Department of the Study of Religions
SOAS




From witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Fri Mar 29 21:49:53 2002
From: witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael Witzel)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 02 16:49:53 -0500
Subject: MaanavaGS mantra in Kaa.thakaGS?
In-Reply-To: <B8B68DE8.2604%A.Griffiths@let.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <161227070782.23782.16487131239556437837.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Today I had some time to investigate Arlo's question on ManGS/KathGS.

Trouble is, no good answer:

* Knauer had a copy of Barth's long transcriptions of 3 Kashmiri MSS of KGS
(brought by Buehler to Pona) and of one in Tuebingen (from MA Stein, in
Kashmir) of Kathaka Rcakas:
mostly Kath GS with Devapala and other comm., now edited by Caland as KGS
and in KSTS as Laugaksi GS with Devapala only.

These transcriptions were given to Caland after Barth's death , some 100
years ago. And they still (?) are in the Utrecht Univ. Libary, Caland Coll.
no. 9 (see Caland, Kl. Schriften p. XXX).
I have a copy of the Vedavrata section only but not of the parts
corresponding to MGS 2.15.

So, the best way to investigate is the following:

* find  the section in KGS/LGS which corresponds to MGS 2.15  (I spent a
few minutes on this today, but  no luck, as this belongs to the amorphous
prayascitta section).

* then go to Utrecht (or Poona) and check out Barth's Latin transcriptions.

However, the Rcaka commentaries/paddhatis include a lot of stuff that never
was part of KGS/LGS or its three commentaries,  but in its unedited form
Barth/Knauer could quote it as "KathGS". Such details are mpossible to
check from here as the section in question does not seem to occur in
KGS/comm.s, at least not at first sight.

The long way is to go through all of Caland's KGS/ KSTS's LGS plus all
printed commentaries....But even LGS & Devapala do not have  not all that
is found in the Rcakas on a particular topic....
Not worth the while in the framework of the initial question.

 MW


>In his crit. app. to the mantras given in his ed. of the MaanGS, p. 58, and
>again in his mantra-index, i.a. p. 153, Knauer suggests that the mantras in
>question (bodha;s ca maa pratibodha;s ca ...) are found also in the
>Kaa.thakag.rhyasuutra, besides their parallel in KS 37.10 and AV;S 8.1.13.
>    However, the mantras are not found in the mantra-index to Caland's
>Kaa.thGS ed., nor can I find a reference to a Kaa.thGS attestation anywhere
>else (e.g. Dresden's transl. of the MaanGS place does mention KS and PaarGS
>parallels, but none for Kaa.thGS). What place did Knauer have in mind?

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From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO  Fri Mar 29 17:03:30 2002
From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 02 18:03:30 +0100
Subject: Dardistan
Message-ID: <161227070780.23782.4824890543715298354.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear members of the list,

I am forwarding this question from another list.

Please answer directly to Ruth Schmidt.

Lars Martin Fosse

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-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra:    Ruth L. Schmidt [SMTP:r.l.schmidt at east.uio.no]
Sendt:  29. mars 2002 17:58
Emne:   Dardistan

Dear members of the list,

I am interested in finding the source for an article on "Dardestan"
by Nigel Allan and D.R. Edel'man, of which I found a photocopy in
Knut Kristiansen's papers.

It begins on p. 26 of the work and begins:

        The term Dardesta-n once described the extreme northwestern
region of the Indian subcontinent, extending from Kashmir to Kabul
(Emeneneau).

I would be most grateful for the title, year, publisher and place of
publication of the work.

With best wishes,

Ruth Schmidt
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From vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET  Sat Mar 30 07:48:09 2002
From: vjroebuck at MACUNLIMITED.NET (Valerie J Roebuck)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 02 07:48:09 +0000
Subject: "Shaman"
Message-ID: <161227070785.23782.5434688132756830490.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

What is the current thinking on the relationship (if any) between English
"shaman" and Sanskrit "zramaNa"?

Thanks--

Dr Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Sat Mar 30 17:09:48 2002
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 02 09:09:48 -0800
Subject: stem (?) of munja grass
In-Reply-To: <2002Mar30.153937@YV1041.spb.edu>
Message-ID: <161227070790.23782.2922806243970494503.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

"Grass" in English explanations of mu;nja may owe itself to someone's
'mechanical' translation of the traditional gloss t.r.na-vi;se.sa. However,
in Skt usage t.r.na is not restricted to what we call grass in English; cf.
t.r.naraaj 'vine palm,' t.r.na-raaja 'cocoa-nut tree,' 'bamboo,'
'sugarcane,' 'palmyra tree,'  t.r.na-v.rk.sa 'fanpalm tree' and t.r.na;saala
'areca-nut tree, ' 'bamboo' recorded on p. 782 of Apte's dictionary enlarged
by Gode et al.  These identifications show some uncertainty or conflation,
but they establish that t.r.na is not confined to what commonly makes lawns.



On 30-03-2002 04:39, "Yaroslav Vassilkov" <yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU> wrote:

>should we really call it a grass: I have read somewhere
> that
> this plant could reach sometimes 3 meters in height.




From jfstaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU  Sat Mar 30 19:21:42 2002
From: jfstaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (Frits Staal)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 02 11:21:42 -0800
Subject: stem (?) of munja grass
In-Reply-To: <B8CB1CDB.15D7%aklujkar@interchange.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227070794.23782.3873368408329832800.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Ashok Aklujkar's answer to Vassilkov question about mu;nja is most helpful
and surely on the right track. The statement that the plant could be 3
merers high could be an (unconscious?) translation from Monier Williams who
mentions 10 feet. But both MW and Apte/Gode/Karve are confusing. Perhaps
the confusion is old for ritualists are not botanists and Apastamba Srauta
Sutra  10.9.13 (further references in Caland's note) states that the
Yajamana is tied with mu;nja OR ;sara. In the Agnicayana, he is tied with a
;sikhyapaa;sa to the ukhaa pot (Baudh.SS 10.14 and 15). I mention this
because Vassilkobv asked for an illustration and that string, which seems
to be made of mu;nja or ;sara, is depicted in AGNI Vol.I, Plate 46 (page
327) and also in the film "Altar of Fire."


At 09:09 AM 3/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
>"Grass" in English explanations of mu;nja may owe itself to someone's
>'mechanical' translation of the traditional gloss t.r.na-vi;se.sa. However,
>in Skt usage t.r.na is not restricted to what we call grass in English; cf.
>t.r.naraaj 'vine palm,' t.r.na-raaja 'cocoa-nut tree,' 'bamboo,'
>'sugarcane,' 'palmyra tree,'  t.r.na-v.rk.sa 'fanpalm tree' and t.r.na;saala
>'areca-nut tree, ' 'bamboo' recorded on p. 782 of Apte's dictionary enlarged
>by Gode et al.  These identifications show some uncertainty or conflation,
>but they establish that t.r.na is not confined to what commonly makes lawns.
>
>
>
>On 30-03-2002 04:39, "Yaroslav Vassilkov" <yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU> wrote:
>
>>should we really call it a grass: I have read somewhere
>> that
>> this plant could reach sometimes 3 meters in height.
>
Frits Staal

http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/staal




From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU  Sat Mar 30 17:41:48 2002
From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 02 12:41:48 -0500
Subject: stem (?) of munja grass
In-Reply-To: <B8CB1CDB.15D7%aklujkar@interchange.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227070792.23782.16399276891452028246.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

"Grass" as a classification of plants includes many plants that are
very different than "Lawn grass." Some such as "Pampas grass" used
widely in the united states grows to seven or eight feet tall and
sugarcane is also a grass. Unfortunately I think we need a specialist
on Indian plants on this one.

There may be some help as some of the ayurvedic medicine sites where
they have lists of plants

There are several. one of the best is :
http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/herbfinder/

John C. Huntington

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From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU  Sat Mar 30 12:39:37 2002
From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 02 15:39:37 +0300
Subject: stem (?) of munja grass
In-Reply-To: <B8C8A2CC.1575%aklujkar@interchange.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <161227070787.23782.16028555448341431176.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Many thanks to Prof. Ashok Aklujkar for Sanskrit quotations
and other valuable data referring to the munja grass and its stem.
I wonder, by the way, should we really call it a grass: I have read somewhere that
this plant could reach sometimes 3 meters in height.

                                                Yaroslav Vassilkov

Thu, 28 Mar 102 21:37 +0300 MSK Ashok Aklujkar wrote to INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk:

> Vidyaara.nya's Pa;cada;sii (7th NSP edn, 1949), verse 1.42:
> yathaa mu;njaad i.siikaivam aatmaa yuktyaa samuddh.rta.h /
> ;sariira-tritayaad dhirai.h para.m brahmaiva jaayate //
>
> Commentator Raamak.r.s.na on this:
>
> yathaa yena prakaare.na mu;njaad etan-naamakaat t.r.na-vi;se.saad i.siikaa
> garbhastha.m komala.m t.r.na.m yuktyaa bahir-aavarakatvena sthitaanaa.m
> sthuula-patraa.naa.m vibhajana-lak.sa.nopaayena samuddhriyate, evam aatmaapi
> yuktyaa anvaya-vyatireka-lak.sa.nopaayena ;sariira-tritayaat
> puurvoktaac-chariira-tritayaat dhirai.h brahmacaryaadi-saadhana-sa.mpannair
> adhikaaribhi.h samuddh.rta.h p.rthak-k.rta;s cet sa para.m brahmaiva
> jaayate.
>
> I do not know where a picture of mu;nja grass can be found. However, the
> references in literature indicate that the grass must have been in common
> use for girdles of boys undergoing initiation and for making of  ropes,
> mats, footwear, nooses  etc.  See An Illustrated Ardha-magadhi Dictionary,
> vol. 4, pp. 181-82, in addition to Sm.rti literature in general under
> mau;njii.
>
>---
Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu)
Institute of Oriental Studies
Sat, 30 Mar 102 15:26 +0300 MSK