From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Tue Jul  2 13:46:46 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 02 14:46:46 +0100
Subject: Tibetan cataloguing Kern Institute (Leiden) (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:56:26 +0100
From: Ulrich Pagel <up1 at soas.ac.uk>
Subject: Tibetan cataloguing Kern Institute (Leiden)

The Kern Institute Library (Leiden University)

The library of the Kern Institute provides access to academic
literature related to the languages and cultures of South and Central
Asia for teaching and research. Apart from an extensive and
internationally unique collection of books and magazines, the library
possesses a number of special collections.
One of these is the collection of Tibetan block prints and
manuscripts (numbering some 1756 items) that was assembled by Johan
van Manen between 1916 and 1943 when he was residing in Calcutta.
Under the Metamorfoze scheme, the national programme for the
conservation of library material, this collection, including the
archives belonging to it, will be completely set on film, described
and repacked.

To carry out this project, we are looking for a

CATALOGUER (M/F) (19 hours per week)
Vacancy number: 2-034/9997

responsible for the description of the block prints and manuscripts.

Tasks:

 Locating the corresponding descriptions in the handwritten catalogue

 Verifying if the title is present in the national automated catalogue

 Checking and, if required, correcting of already entered title descriptions

 Entering new descriptions and, if required, analysing colophons
with respect to these

 Assigning of systematic codes

 Locating any missing bibliographic information

 Adding details of locally held copies (of microfilms, among others)

Native speakers of Tibetan familiar with Tibetan literary traditions
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The position is temporary and for a maximum of 2 years and 5 months,
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For further information please contact dr. D.M. Heilijgers-Seelen,
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Applications, citing the vacancy number on the letter and envelope,
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From lubint at WLU.EDU  Thu Jul  4 16:07:30 2002
From: lubint at WLU.EDU (Timothy Lubin)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 02 12:07:30 -0400
Subject: late Vedic/Upanishadic verses to identify
Message-ID: <161227071118.23782.12018771888777878424.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists:

As I wrap up my edition of the Atharvaziras there are a couple verses
that I presume to be quoted from earlier works but that I have not been
able to identify.  I would be grateful if any of you recognize them from
elsewhere:

vaalaagramaatra.m h.rdayasya madhye vizva.m deva.m jaataveda.m
vare.nyam | (64ab in Adyar Library's edition; cd = Ka.tha Up. 5.12cd,
and with a variant, ZveU 6.12cd)

praa.ne.sv antar manaso li*ngam aahur yasmin krodho yaa ca t.r.s.naa
k.samaa ca |
t.r.s.n.aa.m chittvaa hetujaalasya muula.m buddhyaa sa.mcintya (or:
sa.mcita.m) sthaapayitvaa tu rudre |
rudra ekatvam aahu.h |   (66 in AL)

ak.saraat sa.myaayate kaala.h kaalaad vyaapaka ucyate | (not in AL ed.,
but in Naaraaya.na's reading).

Thanks for any clues.
Tim

Timothy Lubin
Assistant Professor (Religions of South Asia)
23 Newcomb Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450  USA

office: 540.458.8146; fax: 540.458.8498
lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint




From lubint at WLU.EDU  Thu Jul  4 18:41:45 2002
From: lubint at WLU.EDU (Timothy Lubin)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 02 14:41:45 -0400
Subject: late Vedic/Upanishadic verses to identify
Message-ID: <161227071120.23782.13431452841428444623.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Indologists:

(The same with a correction:)

As I wrap up my edition of the Atharvaziras there are a couple verses
that I presume to be quoted from earlier works but that I have not
been
able to identify.  I would be grateful if any of you recognize them
from
elsewhere:

vaalaagramaatra.m h.rdayasya madhye vizva.m deva.m jaataveda.m
vare.nyam | (64ab in Adyar Library's edition; cd = Ka.thaU 5.13cd,
and with a variant, Ka.thaU 5.12cd and ZveU 6.12cd)

praa.ne.sv antar manaso li*ngam aahur yasmin krodho yaa ca t.r.s.naa
k.samaa ca |
t.r.s.n.aa.m chittvaa hetujaalasya muula.m buddhyaa sa.mcintya (or:
sa.mcita.m) sthaapayitvaa tu rudre |
rudra ekatvam aahu.h |   (66 in AL)

ak.saraat sa.mjaayate kaala.h kaalaad vyaapaka ucyate | (not in AL
ed.,
but in Naaraaya.na's reading, in adhyaaya 6).

Thanks for any clues.
Tim

Timothy Lubin
Assistant Professor (Religions of South Asia)
23 Newcomb Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450  USA

office: 540.458.8146; fax: 540.458.8498
lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint

Timothy Lubin
Assistant Professor (Religions of South Asia)
23 Newcomb Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450  USA

office: 540.458.8146; fax: 540.458.8498
lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint




From emstern at BELLATLANTIC.NET  Sat Jul  6 23:34:25 2002
From: emstern at BELLATLANTIC.NET (Elliot M. Stern)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 02 19:34:25 -0400
Subject: 4 quotations
In-Reply-To: <20020706191610.FQKO750.wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com@[213.1.36.102]>
Message-ID: <161227071124.23782.7392578708431545173.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Alex,

The second text is pramaaNavinizcaya 1 verse 23. For other citations, see my
'Additional Fragments of PramaaNavinizcaya'  WZKS 35(1991 ) page 159.


Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
Telephone: 215-747-6204
email: emstern at bellatlantic.net


On 7/6/02 3:32 PM, alex watson alex.watson at BALLIOL.OX.AC.UK wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> If anyone knows the source of, or has seen cited
> elsewhere, any of the following four quotations, I
> would be very grateful to hear from them.  They
> are all quoted by Bha.t.ta Raamaka.n.tha, the 10th
> century Kashmiri "Saiva Saiddhaantika.
> 
> From the context in which it is quoted, the first
> one looks as though it was written by Dharmakiirti
> or one of his followers. (I translate them as I
> infer Raamaka.n.tha to have understood them.)
> 
> 1) "saktir hi bhaavaabhaavaabhyaa.m bhidyamaanaa
> vastv api bhinatti, na puna.h kaaryabhedena
> 
> For power, when divided by its occurrence and
> non-occurrence, divides the thing [that has the
> power] too.  But [it does] not [do so when
> divided] through [having] a plurality of effects.
> 
> 2) avi"se.se ?pi baahyasya vi"se.saat
> priititaapayo.h |
> bhaavanaayaa vi"se.se.na naartharuupaa.h
> sukhaadaya.h ||
> 
> Because pleasure and pain differ [between people],
> due to a difference of meditative cultivation
> (bhaavanaa), even when the external [object] is
> the same, pleasure and the like are not of the
> nature of objects [but rather properties of
> cognition].
> 
> 3) j~naanaarthau saha ruupadiipatulayaa jaatau
> vibhaa.saamate
> 
> Cognition and object, according to the doctrine of
> the Vibhaa.saa, are similar to light and form.
> 
> 4) sa.mvittir aparaamar"saad vidyamaanaapi
> vastuta.h |
> t.r.naadivittivad yaatu.h siddhaivaavidyamaanavat
> ||
> 
> Consciousness, because it is not verbally cognized
> (aparaamar"saad), even though it really exists, is
> established to be as good as non-existent just
> like consciousness of grass etc. for someone going
> along.
> 
> Yours,
> Alex Watson




From alex.watson at BALLIOL.OX.AC.UK  Sat Jul  6 19:32:13 2002
From: alex.watson at BALLIOL.OX.AC.UK (alex watson)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 02 20:32:13 +0100
Subject: 4 quotations
Message-ID: <161227071122.23782.11691595838544802464.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List Members,

If anyone knows the source of, or has seen cited
elsewhere, any of the following four quotations, I
would be very grateful to hear from them.  They
are all quoted by Bha.t.ta Raamaka.n.tha, the 10th
century Kashmiri "Saiva Saiddhaantika.

>???From the context in which it is quoted, the first
one looks as though it was written by Dharmakiirti
or one of his followers. (I translate them as I
infer Raamaka.n.tha to have understood them.)

1) "saktir hi bhaavaabhaavaabhyaa.m bhidyamaanaa
vastv api bhinatti, na puna.h kaaryabhedena

For power, when divided by its occurrence and
non-occurrence, divides the thing [that has the
power] too.  But [it does] not [do so when
divided] through [having] a plurality of effects.

2) avi"se.se ?pi baahyasya vi"se.saat
priititaapayo.h |
bhaavanaayaa vi"se.se.na naartharuupaa.h
sukhaadaya.h ||

Because pleasure and pain differ [between people],
due to a difference of meditative cultivation
(bhaavanaa), even when the external [object] is
the same, pleasure and the like are not of the
nature of objects [but rather properties of
cognition].

3) j~naanaarthau saha ruupadiipatulayaa jaatau
vibhaa.saamate

Cognition and object, according to the doctrine of
the Vibhaa.saa, are similar to light and form.

4) sa.mvittir aparaamar"saad vidyamaanaapi
vastuta.h |
t.r.naadivittivad yaatu.h siddhaivaavidyamaanavat
||

Consciousness, because it is not verbally cognized
(aparaamar"saad), even though it really exists, is
established to be as good as non-existent just
like consciousness of grass etc. for someone going
along.

Yours,
Alex Watson




From aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA  Tue Jul  9 18:01:00 2002
From: aklujkar at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 11:01:00 -0700
Subject: classic quote
Message-ID: <161227071141.23782.13639743195985259630.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Please look around Pata;njali, Mahaabhaa.sya under P. 2.2.6.

ashok aklujkar


Julia Leslie <jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK> asked

Can anyone help me to locate the following 'classic quote'?

tapaHzrutAbhyAM vihIno jAtibrAhmaNa eva saH

I thought it was in the Mbh, but it appears not to be in the critical
edition.




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Tue Jul  9 11:35:44 2002
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 13:35:44 +0200
Subject: Studies on fate/free will?
In-Reply-To: <l03130302b821148bba88@[130.104.243.146]>
Message-ID: <161227071126.23782.15897279624811715398.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I am looking for studies on the subject of fate and free will (and related
issues) in Hinduism and/or Indic religions generally -- something to give
an overview, rather than in-depth studies of the technicalities of karma
theory, etc, of one particular school or author. All suggestions are welcome.

Thanks in advance,
Martin Gansten




From jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK  Tue Jul  9 12:51:43 2002
From: jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK (Julia Leslie)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 13:51:43 +0100
Subject: classic quote
Message-ID: <161227071128.23782.14612494755662296793.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Can anyone help me to locate the following 'classic quote'?

tapaHzrutAbhyAM vihIno jAtibrAhmaNa eva saH

I thought it was in the Mbh, but it appears not to be in the critical
edition.

Thank you.
Julia Leslie


Dr I J Leslie
SOAS
University of London




From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Tue Jul  9 15:16:06 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 15:16:06 +0000
Subject: Studies on fate/free will?
Message-ID: <161227071130.23782.1021806461412156297.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Here is a random selection of titles some of which may fit the
description:

Bhattacharji, Sukumari:
Fatalism in ancient India / Sukumari Bhattacharji. - 1. publ. -
Calcutta : Baulmon Prakashan, 1995. - XXVII, 350 S. ; 22 cm
Study on fate and fatalism from the perspectives of religions. -
Includes
bibliographical references (p. [340]-350) and index
ISBN 81-8655202-2 : IRS 200.00

Reichenbach, Bruce R.:
The law of Karma : a philosophical study / Bruce R. Reichenbach. -
Basingstoke [u.a.] : Macmillan, 1990. - XIV, 238 S. ; 22 cm
(Library of philosophy and religion)
Literaturverz. S. 229 - 233
ISBN 0-333-53559-6

Krishan, Yuvraj:
The doctrine of Karma : its origin and development in Br ahma nical,
Buddhist and Jaina traditions / Yuvraj Krishan. - 1. ed. - Delhi :
Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, 1997. - XVIII, 650 S. ; 23 cm
Includes bibliographical references (p. [609]-622) and index
ISBN 81-2081233-6


Halbfass, Wilhelm:
Karma und Wiedergeburt im indischen Denken / Wilhelm Halbfass.
- Kreuzlingen [u.a.] : Hugendubel (Diederichs), 2000. - 342 S. ; 19
cm (Diederichs gelbe Reihe ; 161) ISBN 3-89631-385-1*kart. : DM 26.00


Karma and rebirth : post classical developments ; [Calgary Conference
on Karma and Rebirth, Post-Classical Developments, held at the
University of Calgary, September 20-23, 1982 / ed. by Ronald W.
Neufeldt. - Albany, N.Y. : State Univ. of New York Press, 1986. - XV,
357 S.
Kongr.: Calgary Conference on Karma and Rebirth, Post-Classical
Development ; (Calgary) : 1982.09.20-23
(SUNY Series in religious studies) - ISBN 0-87395-990-6 - *ISBN
0-87995-989-2


Prasad, Rajendra:
Karma, causation and retributive morality : conceptual essays in
ethics
and metaethics / Rajendra Prasad. - New Delhi : Indian Council of
Philosophical Research in association with Munshiram Manoharlal
Publishers, 1989. - xii, 426
p. ; 23 cm
(ICPR series in contemporary Indian philosophy)
Enth.: Personalbibliographie d. Verf. - *ISBN 81-215-0481-8


Tull, Herman Wayne:
The Vedic origins of karma : cosmos as man in ancient Indian myth
and ritual / Herman Wayne Tull. - Albany, N.Y. : State University of
New York Press, 1989. - X, 181 p. ; 24 cm
(SUNY series in Hindu studies)
Evanston/Ill., Northwestern Univ., Dept. of History and Literature of
Religions, Diss. v. 1985. Revision. - Bibliography: p. 161-174
ISBN 0-7914-0094-8 - ISBN 0-7914-0095-6


Best regards

Reinhold Gruenendahl

********************************************************************

Dr. Reinhold Gruenendahl
Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

37070 Goettingen, Germany
Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
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GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From P.C.Bisschop at LET.RUG.NL  Tue Jul  9 14:16:36 2002
From: P.C.Bisschop at LET.RUG.NL (P.C. Bisschop)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 15:16:36 +0100
Subject: late Vedic/Upanishadic verses to identify
In-Reply-To: <sd245eaa.064@WISDOM.uc.wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227071132.23782.7093677596857158271.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Timothy Lubin,

For the second part of your second quotation cf. Paa"supatasuutra
5.35--38:

chittvaa do.saa.naa.m hetujaalasya muulam (5.35)
buddhyaa (5.36)
sa.mcittam (5.37)
sthaapayitvaa ca rudre (5.38)

The complete verse also occurs in Li"ngapuraa.na 2.18.40.

Peter Bisschop
Institute of Indian Studies
University of Groningen
Oude Boteringestraat 23
9712 GC Groningen
The Netherlands


> Dear Indologists:
>
> (The same with a correction:)
>
> As I wrap up my edition of the Atharvaziras there are a couple verses
> that I presume to be quoted from earlier works but that I have not
> been
> able to identify.  I would be grateful if any of you recognize them
> from
> elsewhere:
>
> vaalaagramaatra.m h.rdayasya madhye vizva.m deva.m jaataveda.m
> vare.nyam | (64ab in Adyar Library's edition; cd = Ka.thaU 5.13cd,
> and with a variant, Ka.thaU 5.12cd and ZveU 6.12cd)
>
> praa.ne.sv antar manaso li*ngam aahur yasmin krodho yaa ca t.r.s.naa
> k.samaa ca |
> t.r.s.n.aa.m chittvaa hetujaalasya muula.m buddhyaa sa.mcintya (or:
> sa.mcita.m) sthaapayitvaa tu rudre |
> rudra ekatvam aahu.h |   (66 in AL)
>
> ak.saraat sa.mjaayate kaala.h kaalaad vyaapaka ucyate | (not in AL
> ed.,
> but in Naaraaya.na's reading, in adhyaaya 6).
>
> Thanks for any clues.
> Tim
>
> Timothy Lubin
> Assistant Professor (Religions of South Asia)
> 23 Newcomb Hall
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450  USA
>
> office: 540.458.8146; fax: 540.458.8498
> lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint
>
> Timothy Lubin
> Assistant Professor (Religions of South Asia)
> 23 Newcomb Hall
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450  USA
>
> office: 540.458.8146; fax: 540.458.8498
> lubint at wlu.edu   |   http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint




From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Tue Jul  9 13:27:47 2002
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 15:27:47 +0200
Subject: Studies on fate/free will?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020709133544.0084ea00@pop.lu.se>
Message-ID: <161227071134.23782.16264829985852267523.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Martin Gansten wrote:

> I am looking for studies on the subject of fate and free will
> (and related issues) in Hinduism and/or Indic religions
> generally -- something to give an overview, rather than in-depth
> studies of the technicalities of karma theory, etc, of one
> particular school or author. All suggestions are welcome.

There is a recent title by Wilhelm Halbfass (published in a
popular German series) that may be helpful:

Halbfass, Wilhelm: Karma und Wiedergeburt im indischen Denken. -
Kreuzlingen : Diederichs (Hugendubel), 2000. - 344 S. -
(Diederichs Gelbe Reihe ; 161)
ISBN 3-89631-385-1
EUR 15,50

Hope it helps
Peter Wyzlic

--
Indologisches Seminar der Universitaet Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
D-53113 Bonn / Germany




From jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK  Tue Jul  9 14:42:49 2002
From: jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK (Julia Leslie)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 15:42:49 +0100
Subject: Call for Papers for conference on Dowry
Message-ID: <161227071136.23782.6063345920914122990.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Call for Papers

The Sixth International Conference on Dowry,

Bride-Burning and Son-Preference

3-6 January 2003, New Delhi, India



Conference Organisers:

Dr Julia Leslie, Ms S?an Hawthorne, Ms Anwesha Bhattacharya

(Gender & Religions Research Centre, SOAS)

& Mr Himendra Thakur (ISADABBI)






Recent research on dowry-related deaths shows an alarming rate of
increase. Many women are being harassed, maimed and killed
despite active
campaigns and legal reforms. This has led to a sense of urgency
amongst
both academics and activists. As a result an ongoing series of
conferences
on dowry and dowry-related violence has been organized by the
International Society against Dowry and Bride Burning in India
(ISADABBI)
in collaboration with the Universities of Harvard and London (School
of
Oriental and African Studies, SOAS). All these conferences have
proceeded
on two fronts: as a venue for academic papers and discussion, and
as a
basis from which to formulate programs for practical action.



The First International Conference (Harvard Law School, October
1995)
established the primary contexts for dowry-related violence and
drafted a
six-point program for action. The issues and implications of this first
conference were further explored at the second (Harvard, 1996),
third
(SOAS, 1997), fourth (Harvard, 1998) and fifth (Delhi, 1999)
conferences.



The Sixth International Conference on Dowry, Bride-Burning and
Son-Preference, originally planned for January 2002, has now been
rescheduled for 3-6 January 2003. As the title indicates, the
conference
is extending its brief to include the related topic of son-preference,
thus recognising a key issue in the broader context of violence
against
women.



Call for Papers


Papers are invited on any of the following approaches:



  a.. Historical studies;
  b.. Textual analysis;
  c.. Legal issues;
  d.. Ethnographies;
  e.. Theoretical perspectives;
  f.. Practical proposals.


Possible topics include:



  a.. Patrilinear inheritance traditions;
  b.. Domestic violence;
  c.. Legal issues;
  d.. Son-preference;
  e.. Gender identity;
  f.. Family structures;
  g.. Dowry in the diaspora context;
  h.. Cross-cultural comparisons.


Abstracts


Please send 100-300 word abstracts (electronic copy) to S?an
Hawthorne at
the address below or by email (sh79 at soas.ac.uk). Please indicate
whether
you would like your paper to be considered for either the academic
or
activist forum.

Deadline:  2 September 2002.



For further information contact:

Conference Organisers, GRR

Department of the Study of Religions

SOAS, University of London

Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square

London WC1H 0XG




From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Tue Jul  9 15:33:01 2002
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 02 17:33:01 +0200
Subject: classic quote
In-Reply-To: <E17RugO-0000PY-00@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <161227071138.23782.12571002960276762569.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Julia Leslie wrote:

> Can anyone help me to locate the following 'classic quote'?
>
> tapaHzrutAbhyAM vihIno jAtibrAhmaNa eva saH
>
> I thought it was in the Mbh, but it appears not to be in the critical
> edition.

In the Vacaspatyam the following verse is cited under
"jAtibrAhmaNa":

tapaH zrutaM ca yoniz ca trayaM brAhmaNyakAraNam |
tapaHzrutAbhyAM yo hIno jAtibrAhmaNa eva saH ||

As reference is given "ZabdArthaci[ntAmaNi]". Apte gives the same
verse and reference s.v. By the way, the first part of the stanza
can found in the AnuzAsanaparvan of the Mahabharata (according to the
PratIka index).

Hope it helps
Peter Wyzlic


--
Indologisches Seminar der Universitaet Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
D-53113 Bonn / Germany




From lubint at WLU.EDU  Wed Jul 10 15:00:07 2002
From: lubint at WLU.EDU (Timothy Lubin)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 02 11:00:07 -0400
Subject: late Vedic/Upanishadic verses to identify
Message-ID: <161227071145.23782.17947531428011342889.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Many thanks to Peter Bisschop for noting the source of one of my
Atharva"siras verses in Paa"upata Suutra 5.35-38, which I had not
noticed (despite having looked for quotations from PaaSu before!).  The
Li*nga-Puraa.na verse he mentions is in fact part of a versified
paraphrase of the entire Atharva"siras that begins with LP 2.17.9cd.
Tim

Timothy Lubin
Assistant Professor (Religions of South Asia)
23 Newcomb Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450  USA

office: 540.458.8146; fax: 540.458.8498
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>>> P.C.Bisschop at LET.RUG.NL 07/09/02 09:19 AM >>>
Dear Timothy Lubin,

For the second part of your second quotation cf. Paa"supatasuutra
5.35--38:

chittvaa do.saa.naa.m hetujaalasya muulam (5.35)
buddhyaa (5.36)
sa.mcittam (5.37)
sthaapayitvaa ca rudre (5.38)

The complete verse also occurs in Li"ngapuraa.na 2.18.40.

Peter Bisschop
Institute of Indian Studies
University of Groningen
Oude Boteringestraat 23
9712 GC Groningen
The Netherlands




From ghezziem at TIN.IT  Wed Jul 10 13:40:48 2002
From: ghezziem at TIN.IT (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 02 15:40:48 +0200
Subject: a request
Message-ID: <161227071143.23782.16631419613718581897.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dearest Friends and Colleagues, maybe someone can help me in finding these
articles?

A. K. Majumdar, *A note on the development of Radha cult*, A.B.O.R.I., Vol.
XXXVI, Paris, III-IV, pp. 231-257, 1956

&

R. V. (B.) Joshi, *The philosophic and the historical background of the
conception of Radha*, Proceedings and transactions of the All India Oriental
Conference (19th Session, December, 1957, Pt. II)

Both of them are quoted in S. Pande, Birh of Bhakti in Indian Religions and
Art, New Delhi, 1982, p. 176.

Many thanks in advance,
Daniela

(By the way, from many weeks I don't receive messages from Indology: perhaps
some problem is in process?)

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From jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU  Thu Jul 11 21:48:46 2002
From: jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 02 17:48:46 -0400
Subject: your mailing address
In-Reply-To: <v03110700b3a0d377a46b@[129.240.19.27]>
Message-ID: <161227071148.23782.3365441328420830372.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

May I have your mailing address please?  Somehow I have lost it, and
--very belatedly, I am afraid--I would like to send you a few things,
just before we move to Los Angeles.

I much regret I lost the chance for us to meet again in Oslo--I was
so much looking forward to it.

warmest greetings, jonathan
--

For quicker response these days please copy your reply to kinu at aol.com


Jonathan Silk

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Box 208287
Yale University
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USA

tel. 203-432-0828
fax. 203-432-7844




From jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU  Thu Jul 11 22:44:52 2002
From: jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 02 18:44:52 -0400
Subject: apologies for an inadvertent note to the whole list
Message-ID: <161227071150.23782.3408007570005850997.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Ah, once again I have fallen victim to the mindless 'reply' function!

please forgive me.

Much as I would like to share a few things with all of you, alas, it
is not possible. (The desire to meet all of you is, however, real,
and I can think of no place more lovely than Oslo. That indeed I look
forward to!)

With sincere apologies, jonathan silk
--

For quicker response these days please copy your reply to kinu at aol.com


Jonathan Silk

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Box 208287
Yale University
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USA

tel. 203-432-0828
fax. 203-432-7844




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From: michzim at YAHOO.COM (Michael Zimmermann)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 02 08:00:21 +0200
Subject: Nepal Research Centre
Message-ID: <161227071152.23782.10355551033557652333.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

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From jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK  Wed Jul 17 04:53:26 2002
From: jl6 at SOAS.AC.UK (Julia Leslie)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 02 05:53:26 +0100
Subject: classic quote: thank you
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0207091723220.1878-100000@durga.indologie.uni-bonn.de>
Message-ID: <161227071155.23782.14425564904916037404.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thank you, Peter and Ashok, for two spot-on responses.
Much obliged,
Julia

Dr Julia Leslie
SOAS
=============================
On 9 Jul 02, at 17:33, Peter Wyzlic wrote:




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Wed Jul 17 14:48:17 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 02 15:48:17 +0100
Subject: Prof. Bhate Secretary of BORI
Message-ID: <161227071157.23782.15481914960361487416.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Prof Saroja Bhate has been elected Secretary of BORI, the position
formerly held for many decades by Dr Dandekar.  Dr. Dhadphale, who has
held the post recently, lost the election for Secretary, but remains one
of the members of the Executive Board.

DW




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri Jul 19 13:16:01 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 08:16:01 -0500
Subject: AzvaghoSa
Message-ID: <161227071163.23782.16416582223036688560.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Friends:

Can someone enlighten me about the latest thinking regarding the date
of AzvaghoSa, the Buddhist writer? Richard Robinson places him 13 CE
and Keith around 100 CE.

Second, what is the latest thinking about the ascription of
Vajrasuuci to AzvaghoSa.

My own interest is in the dating of Manu. His work is clearly cited
in the Vajrasuuci, which would be the earliest citation if it is
actually a work by AzvaghoSa. Thanks to all in advance.


Patrick Olivelle




From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Fri Jul 19 17:47:34 2002
From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 10:47:34 -0700
Subject: AzvaghoSa
Message-ID: <161227071166.23782.2413932175632664411.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Patrick et al.:

As far as I am aware there is still no firm evidence for Asvaghosa's date,
and the arguments are for the most part the usual (inevitable) fuzzy
guesswork. The bottom line seems to be a pattern of association with the
"Great Kushanas," especially Kaniska (see Johnston's Buddhacarita, int. pp.
xiii-xvii)--whenever they/he were All things considered, I would take the
second century as the most likely date, but first is also possible. See also
A. Passi, Asvaghosa: Le gesta del Buddha [Milan 1979], p225; he seems to
prefer the first century, if I understand his Italian correctly.

As for Vajrasuci, I think the scholarly consensus is that it is not one of
the authentic works of the "real" Asvaghosa, mainly because of differences
in style and contents from the authenticated works (Johnston p. xxii)--for
what that is worth, as usual.

This is probably not very helpful to you-- but what did you expect?

Rich

PS: It would be interesting to hear Passi's opinions on these questions. If
he doesn't respond through the list, I can put you in touch with him.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Olivelle" <jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: AzvaghoSa


> Friends:
>
> Can someone enlighten me about the latest thinking regarding the date
> of AzvaghoSa, the Buddhist writer? Richard Robinson places him 13 CE
> and Keith around 100 CE.
>
> Second, what is the latest thinking about the ascription of
> Vajrasuuci to AzvaghoSa.
>
> My own interest is in the dating of Manu. His work is clearly cited
> in the Vajrasuuci, which would be the earliest citation if it is
> actually a work by AzvaghoSa. Thanks to all in advance.
>
>
> Patrick Olivelle
>




From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Fri Jul 19 11:26:38 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 11:26:38 +0000
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
Message-ID: <161227071159.23782.6499241487606975882.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear list members,
could someone please help me with the term "bhautika" apllied to
brahmacaarins? The dictionaries are not very specific. According
to PW/pw/MW, a bhautika is "a sort of monk".

The 'Sivadharma'saastra (edition forthcoming) distinguishes between
nai.s.thika and bhautika brahmacaarins. Since the former may be taken
as permanent/lifelong brahmacaarins, I suspect the latter are
temporary ones. Is the term known in other (Dharmasastra) texts?


Thanks in advance

Reinhold Gruenendahl



********************************************************************

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(Dept. of Indology)

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From Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Fri Jul 19 10:36:32 2002
From: Joerg.Gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Joerg Gengnagel)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 12:36:32 +0200
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
In-Reply-To: <A5FCFA0839@mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227071161.23782.13275099541196313466.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Reinhold Gruenendahl,

it might be helbful to consult H?l?ne Brunner?s edition of the 
Somashambhupaddhati, Vol.3. Especially the foonotes on the vratANgas (p.148f. 
and p.542f) and the references. The bhautika-brahmacArins are here - as you 
suspect - per definition those who "s?engagent dans l?observance du brahmacarya 
pour une dur?e limit?e." (p.542) Another - less convincing - interpretation is 
the paralelism between "bubhukshu - bhautika" and "mumukshu - nai.s.tika" 
(p.152).  

Best 
Joerg Gengnagel

South Asia Institute, Heidelberg




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Sat Jul 20 01:02:11 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 20:02:11 -0500
Subject: AzvaghoSa
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b95e154b3382@[37.255.9.109]>
Message-ID: <161227071175.23782.9578805645367286514.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Thanks to Alex Passi and Rich Salomon for their thoughtful messages
on Asvaghosa. Things are never easy in Ancient India.

Patrick




From Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE  Fri Jul 19 19:09:53 2002
From: Martin.Gansten at TEOL.LU.SE (Martin Gansten)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 21:09:53 +0200
Subject: Studies on fate/free will?
In-Reply-To: <13121887522463@popmail.lmu.edu>
Message-ID: <161227071168.23782.15241990709793172063.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Many thanks to all who responded to my recent query on this topic. In
addition to the various sources already suggested, I found the chapter on
destiny in Nicholas Sutton's 'Religious Doctrines in the Mahabharata'
(Motilal, 2000) helpful.

Regards,
Martin Gansten




From a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT  Fri Jul 19 20:12:42 2002
From: a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT (Alex Passi)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 02 22:12:42 +0200
Subject: AzvaghoSa
In-Reply-To: <p0510031cb95dc0d4d30a@[66.136.197.41]>
Message-ID: <161227071170.23782.1447853704334004066.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The question of Asvaghosa's date is, as Richard Salomon pointed out,
very much up in the air. Johnston's limits are actually between 50
B.C. and 100 A.D., "with a preference for the first half of the first
century A.D." (Introduction to Buddhacarita, p. xvii). My own humble
opinion is along J.'s line; apart from the conservative attitude A.
shows towards Buddhist legend, his style is somewhat archaic
("experimental"?) in comparison to that of other early classic
writers. Sheldon Pollock's study on yati seemed to back up this
position, if I recall correctly, but I am relying on old memories,
and that text is not available to me right now.
But you cannot date an author on style alone. And, thank heavens, not
everyone agrees - in an informal conversation, Ashok Aklujkar once
offered the opinion that A. might actually come after Kalidasa.
Maybe Ashok would like to comment on this?

Alex Passi




From lel at LEL.MSK.RU  Fri Jul 19 20:23:39 2002
From: lel at LEL.MSK.RU (Lielukhine D.N.)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 02 00:23:39 +0400
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
Message-ID: <161227071173.23782.13027659450622345188.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Prof. Gruenendahl !
I search in texts, inputted by diff. scholars :
See Manu (12.51) ment. s?rvabhautika?
Yaj. 3.175(176) ment.  p?Ncabhautikam

See texts inputted by M.Tokunaga:
PAtaNjala.yoga.sUtrA  (chI, ch III twice)
SAMkhyakArik? - 1 (3 times), 6 (twice)
See also Mbh (M.Tokunaga or Smit inputted)
XII.177.4,9; 239.11; 258.24; 267.30 (twice), 291.25, 298.20
and Suppl. Zloka to XII.47 (12*0066_09); XII.269.2 (12*0724_03)
and Appendix Zloka to XII.308 (three times); XIII.8 and XIII 126-134

Dr. Dmitriy N. Lielukhine
Senior Research Fellow, Dep. of History,
Oriental Institute RAS, Moscow.
Member Secretary of Oriental Epigraphy
e-mail: lel at lel.msk.ru


----- Original Message -----
From: "gruenendahl" <GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)


> Dear list members,
> could someone please help me with the term "bhautika" apllied to
> brahmacaarins? The dictionaries are not very specific. According
> to PW/pw/MW, a bhautika is "a sort of monk".
>
> The 'Sivadharma'saastra (edition forthcoming) distinguishes between
> nai.s.thika and bhautika brahmacaarins. Since the former may be taken
> as permanent/lifelong brahmacaarins, I suspect the latter are
> temporary ones. Is the term known in other (Dharmasastra) texts?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Reinhold Gruenendahl
>
>
>
> ********************************************************************
>
> Dr. Reinhold Gruenendahl
> Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
> Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
> (Dept. of Indology)
>
> 37070 Goettingen, Germany
> Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
> Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
> gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de
>
> FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN:
> http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindolo.htm
> In English:
> http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindole.htm
>
> GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
> http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT  Sat Jul 20 18:00:17 2002
From: a.passi at ALMA.UNIBO.IT (Alex Passi)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 02 20:00:17 +0200
Subject: DharmaCauryaRasaayana available on Indology
Message-ID: <161227071177.23782.14347998813669335838.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Fellow List-members,

A .pdf file of the critical text of the DharmaCauryaRasaayana (Milano
2001) is now available on Indology's "Virtual Archive of Indic
-E-texts". My thanks to Viviano Cavagnoli of Edizioni Ariele for
releasing the text, and to Dominic for performing the pratiSThaapana
on the server. Please contact me (in September) if you find any grave
discrepancy in the file (like missing lines, etc.), as it had to be
re-formatted from the original Nisus archive.

Alex Passi




From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU  Mon Jul 22 17:08:02 2002
From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Patrick Olivelle)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 02 12:08:02 -0500
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
In-Reply-To: <F2CBAA5E92@mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227071183.23782.12050953730369843377.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

There are two identical passage in the Kurma Purana (1.2.74-84) and
the Garuda Purana (1.49.6-19) that uses the term bhautika, but here
with reference to yogins. Of the four asramas, that of the mendicant
is divided into paarameSThika and yogin. The yogin is further
classified into Bhautika, Samkhya, and Atyaazramin. The meaning of
Bhautika here also is uncertain, but coming with Samkhya, it may
indicate some sort of philosophical background of these ascetics.
This appears to be a hierarchical arrangement, probably with some
Advaita infuence, where the atyasramin is placed at the head, Samkhya
in the middle, and Bhautika at the bottom.


Patrick




>Many thanks to Joerg Gengnagel and D.N. Lielukhine for their
>suggestions.
>I haven't checked the Mahabharata passages yet, but in general,
>bhautika seems to be derived from, and refer to, the 5 gross
>elements of the material world (mahaa-bhuutas; somtimes also
>tanmaatras), occasionally to the bhuutas ("ghosts, spirits of the
>deceased"). But how do we get from there to bhautika = "a kind of
>monk"? Is "bhautika" to be understood as "worldly" = temporary,
>returning to a worldly existence? Do the Sastras say anything about
>that, I wonder? Are these bhautikas described anywhere?
>
>Anyway, it is reassuring to know that at least one other Saiva text
>uses the term in exactly this sense.
>
>
>Best regards
>
>Reinhold Gruenendahl
>
>********************************************************************
>
>Dr. Reinhold Gruenendahl
>Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
>Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
>(Dept. of Indology)
>
>37070 Goettingen, Germany
>Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
>Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
>gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de
>
>FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN:
>http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindolo.htm
>In English:
>http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindole.htm
>
>GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
>http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Mon Jul 22 16:14:38 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 02 16:14:38 +0000
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
Message-ID: <161227071179.23782.9237203742497971476.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Many thanks to Joerg Gengnagel and D.N. Lielukhine for their
suggestions.
I haven't checked the Mahabharata passages yet, but in general,
bhautika seems to be derived from, and refer to, the 5 gross
elements of the material world (mahaa-bhuutas; somtimes also
tanmaatras), occasionally to the bhuutas ("ghosts, spirits of the
deceased"). But how do we get from there to bhautika = "a kind of
monk"? Is "bhautika" to be understood as "worldly" = temporary,
returning to a worldly existence? Do the Sastras say anything about
that, I wonder? Are these bhautikas described anywhere?

Anyway, it is reassuring to know that at least one other Saiva text
uses the term in exactly this sense.


Best regards

Reinhold Gruenendahl

********************************************************************

Dr. Reinhold Gruenendahl
Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek
Fachreferat sued- und suedostasiatische Philologien
(Dept. of Indology)

37070 Goettingen, Germany
Tel (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 52 83
Fax (+49) (0)5 51 / 39 23 61
gruenen at mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de

FACH-INFORMATIONEN INDOLOGIE, GOETTINGEN:
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindolo.htm
In English:
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/fiindole.htm

GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages
http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE  Mon Jul 22 16:06:22 2002
From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 02 18:06:22 +0200
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
In-Reply-To: <F2CBAA5E92@mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227071181.23782.12020715204597849580.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, gruenendahl wrote:

> I haven't checked the Mahabharata passages yet, but in general,
> bhautika seems to be derived from, and refer to, the 5 gross
> elements of the material world (mahaa-bhuutas; somtimes also
> tanmaatras), occasionally to the bhuutas ("ghosts, spirits of the
> deceased"). But how do we get from there to bhautika = "a kind of
> monk"? Is "bhautika" to be understood as "worldly" = temporary,
> returning to a worldly existence? Do the Sastras say anything about
> that, I wonder? Are these bhautikas described anywhere?

Compare the Jaina satire called Bhara.takadv-atri.mzik-a. The Bhara.takas
are a sort of Shaiva ascetics depicted here as fools.  They are also
called bhauta, bhautika and ja.tin. See

Bhara.takadv-atri.mzik-a [Nagari script] = The thirty-two Bhara.taka
stories / ed. ... by Johannes Hertel. - Leipzig : Markert & Petters in
Komm., 1921. - 55 pp.

and

Zwei indische Narrenb?cher : die zweiunddrei?ig
Bharataka-Geschichten und Somadewas Narrengeschichten /
vollst?ndig verdeutscht von Johannes Hertel. - Leipzig : Haessel,
1922. - 222 pp. - (Indische Erz?hler ; 5)

Hope it helps
Peter Wyzlic

-- 
Indologisches Seminar der Universitaet Bonn
Regina-Pacis-Weg 7
D-53113 Bonn / Germany




From athr at LOC.GOV  Wed Jul 24 20:32:30 2002
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 02 16:32:30 -0400
Subject: Posting for Chief, Asian Division, Library of Congress
Message-ID: <161227071187.23782.18267702764220075729.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

The position of Chief, Asian Division, Library of Congress, has been
posted on the Library's website at
http://jsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/ftva.asp?OPMControl=IF4245

Please put any questions about the position, application process,
qualifications, and the like, to the telephone number listed in the
announcement, not to me.

Please forward this as appropriate.

Allen Thrasher






Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
of Congress.




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Mon Jul 29 15:30:17 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 11:30:17 -0400
Subject: Identity of placename Mohapaata?
In-Reply-To: <3D45616D.24ADA525@Helsinki.Fi>
Message-ID: <161227071200.23782.13240964576476527875.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Mumbai is often rendered as Mohamayii, yes.  Ahmedabad is rather too far
away from the town of Panvel, near south Bombay on the mainland.  I have
been looking at the local district maps, and there are several towns with
names like Parsipada, Umberpada, and Jambaltulpada.  The one likely
candidate for Mohapaata seems to be a town called Murbad near the city of
Kalyan near Mumbai.  I will see if I can get hold of more detailed maps in
our university library.  Best,

                              Madhav Deshpande

--On Monday, July 29, 2002 6:38 PM +0300 Asko Parpola
<Asko.Parpola at HELSINKI.FI> wrote:

> Madhav Deshpande wrote:
>>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>>      I am working on a 200 year old Sanskrit manuscript of a text called
>> Vedavicaara.  This particular manuscript was copied by a Marathi pundit
>> named Hari Vishnu Palnitkar.  He describes himself as
>> "mohapaatainvaasin", resident of Mohapaata.  From other references to
>> this individual in Marathi documents, we know that he came from the
>> vicinity of the town of Panwel near Bombay.  I am wondering about the
>> identity of Mohapaata, obviously a Sanskritization of a local village or
>> town name.  Any suggestions on what the original Marathi place name
>> might be?  Thanks.
>>
>>                                 Madhav Deshpande
>
>
> Could Mohapaata be Mohabbatnagar = Motaagaon north of Ahmedaabaad (c 24o
> 57' 72o 38')? see R. Stroobandt, Epigraphical find-spots (Corpus
> topographicum Indiae antiquae, 1), Gent 1974, pp. 47a and 102a and
> sheet no. 7 S.I no. 45 and appendix map no. 1.




From m_orelskaya at YAHOO.COM  Mon Jul 29 19:20:22 2002
From: m_orelskaya at YAHOO.COM (marina orelskaya)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 12:20:22 -0700
Subject: rabari
In-Reply-To: <200206181833.g5IIXBN15911@socrates.Berkeley.EDU>
Message-ID: <161227071209.23782.13228926573750403503.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear list members,

could anyone guide me as whether anything is known or
being researched regarding the ethnic and territorial
origin of the Rajastani tribe called rabari?
Kindly excuse cross-posting.

Best regards,
Marina Orelskaya

__________________________________________________
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From athr at LOC.GOV  Mon Jul 29 16:34:23 2002
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 12:34:23 -0400
Subject: demonology and Indian medicine
Message-ID: <161227071202.23782.138719496769417023.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have a patron who is interested in the role of demonic forces in
traditional Indian medicine, as background for their role in Tibetan
medicine.  I have referred her to the Kumaratantra and vernacular works
on demons as they affect children.  My library's copy of Meulenbeld's
History of Indian medical literature is unavailable in processing.
Could someone give some references on the subject?  The patron knows
English, Russian, Tibetan, and Mongolian.

Thanks,

Allen

Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
of Congress.




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Mon Jul 29 12:16:30 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 13:16:30 +0100
Subject: Identity of placename Mohapaata?
Message-ID: <161227071189.23782.9744527771510628876.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear List Members,

     I am working on a 200 year old Sanskrit manuscript of a text called
Vedavicaara.  This particular manuscript was copied by a Marathi pundit
named Hari Vishnu Palnitkar.  He describes himself as "mohapaatainvaasin",
resident of Mohapaata.  From other references to this individual in Marathi
documents, we know that he came from the vicinity of the town of Panwel
near Bombay.  I am wondering about the identity of Mohapaata, obviously a
Sanskritization of a local village or town name.  Any suggestions on what
the original Marathi place name might be?  Thanks.

                                Madhav Deshpande




From jwalse01 at EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU  Mon Jul 29 17:41:06 2002
From: jwalse01 at EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU (Joseph Walser)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 13:41:06 -0400
Subject: demonology and Indian medicine
Message-ID: <161227071205.23782.17481053612352822187.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

This is probably obvious, but has this patron read Kenneth Zysk's
_Religious Medicine_? I seem to recall an interesting discussion of
demonology there.

Joseph

On Monday, July 29, 2002 12:34 PM, Allen W Thrasher [SMTP:athr at LOC.GOV]
wrote:
> I have a patron who is interested in the role of demonic forces in
> traditional Indian medicine, as background for their role in Tibetan
> medicine.  I have referred her to the Kumaratantra and vernacular works
> on demons as they affect children.  My library's copy of Meulenbeld's
> History of Indian medical literature is unavailable in processing.
> Could someone give some references on the subject?  The patron knows
> English, Russian, Tibetan, and Mongolian.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
> Senior Reference Librarian
> Southern Asia Section
> Asian Division
> Library of Congress
> Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732
> fax 202-707-1724
> athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
> of Congress.




From athr at LOC.GOV  Mon Jul 29 17:56:05 2002
From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 13:56:05 -0400
Subject: demonology and Indian medicine
Message-ID: <161227071207.23782.165715244539500947.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Joseph,

It wasn't too obvious for me.  Many thanks.  I will convey it to her.

Allen



Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
Senior Reference Librarian
Southern Asia Section
Asian Division
Library of Congress
Jefferson Building 150
101 Independence Ave., S.E.
Washington, DC 20540-4810
tel. 202-707-3732
fax 202-707-1724
athr at loc.gov
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
of Congress.

>>> jwalse01 at EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU 07/29/02 01:41PM >>>
This is probably obvious, but has this patron read Kenneth Zysk's
_Religious Medicine_? I seem to recall an interesting discussion of
demonology there.

Joseph

On Monday, July 29, 2002 12:34 PM, Allen W Thrasher [SMTP:athr at LOC.GOV]

wrote:
> I have a patron who is interested in the role of demonic forces in
> traditional Indian medicine, as background for their role in Tibetan
> medicine.  I have referred her to the Kumaratantra and vernacular
works
> on demons as they affect children.  My library's copy of
Meulenbeld's
> History of Indian medical literature is unavailable in processing.
> Could someone give some references on the subject?  The patron knows
> English, Russian, Tibetan, and Mongolian.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
> Senior Reference Librarian
> Southern Asia Section
> Asian Division
> Library of Congress
> Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732
> fax 202-707-1724
> athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the
Library
> of Congress.




From conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Mon Jul 29 21:28:03 2002
From: conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Frank Conlon)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 14:28:03 -0700
Subject: rabari
In-Reply-To: <20020729192022.55412.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227071213.23782.3194429236770056816.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I believe that Judith Frater worked on the Rabari several years ago.  She
did some studies at the University of Washington, but I think she may have
also had a connection to another institution.  I am away from Seattle just
now, but if I locate any more information, I will send it along.

Frank


Frank F. Conlon
Professor Emeritus
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195
Co-editor of H-ASIA
<conlon at u.washington.edu>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, marina orelskaya wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> could anyone guide me as whether anything is known or
> being researched regarding the ethnic and territorial
> origin of the Rajastani tribe called rabari?
> Kindly excuse cross-posting.
>
> Best regards,
> Marina Orelskaya
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
> http://health.yahoo.com
>




From GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE  Mon Jul 29 15:23:21 2002
From: GRUENEN at MAIL.SUB.UNI-GOETTINGEN.DE (gruenendahl)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 15:23:21 +0000
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
Message-ID: <161227071191.23782.2716380555966643282.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Many thanks to everyone on and off the list for your help with
"bhautika", especially to Joerg Gengnagel for sharing his notes on
various Saiva texts, according to which a bhautika
- is a brahmacaarin for a limited (saavadhika) period of time
- appreciates bhuuti (bhuutikaama). It seems that bhuuti "welfare /
material wealth", and appreciation of it, are to not be taken as
characteristic of the temporary brahmacarya, but rather of the
subsequent stage [as a householder].


Best regards

Reinhold Gruenendahl


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http://www.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ebene_1/fiindolo/gretil.htm




From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU  Mon Jul 29 20:27:09 2002
From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 16:27:09 -0400
Subject: rabari
In-Reply-To: <Your message of Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:20:22 -0700>
Message-ID: <161227071211.23782.16597589250673308563.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Dear list members,
>
> could anyone guide me as whether anything is known or
> being researched regarding the ethnic and territorial
> origin of the Rajastani tribe called rabari?
> Kindly excuse cross-posting.
>
> Best regards,
> Marina Orelskaya

Dear Marina,
would you like me to post this query to the Rajasthan Studies Group (a
scholarly listserv)?

Best,
David Magier
South Asia Librarian
Columbia University
(and list-manager for Rajasthan Studies Group)




From falk at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE  Mon Jul 29 14:50:50 2002
From: falk at ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE (Harry Falk)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 16:50:50 +0200
Subject: Identity of placename Mohapaata?
Message-ID: <161227071193.23782.15116093555011389591.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

mohamayii nagarii is a designation of Bombay with some scribes.
Any
connection?
h. falk

Madhav Deshpande schrieb:
>
> Dear List Members,
>
>      I am working on a 200 year old Sanskrit manuscript of a text called
> Vedavicaara.  This particular manuscript was copied by a Marathi pundit
> named Hari Vishnu Palnitkar.  He describes himself as "mohapaatainvaasin",
> resident of Mohapaata.  From other references to this individual in Marathi
> documents, we know that he came from the vicinity of the town of Panwel
> near Bombay.  I am wondering about the identity of Mohapaata, obviously a
> Sanskritization of a local village or town name.  Any suggestions on what
> the original Marathi place name might be?  Thanks.
>
>                                 Madhav Deshpande




From Asko.Parpola at HELSINKI.FI  Mon Jul 29 15:38:21 2002
From: Asko.Parpola at HELSINKI.FI (Asko Parpola)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 18:38:21 +0300
Subject: Identity of placename Mohapaata?
Message-ID: <161227071196.23782.3438072251254153620.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Madhav Deshpande wrote:
>
> Dear List Members,
>
>      I am working on a 200 year old Sanskrit manuscript of a text called
> Vedavicaara.  This particular manuscript was copied by a Marathi pundit
> named Hari Vishnu Palnitkar.  He describes himself as "mohapaatainvaasin",
> resident of Mohapaata.  From other references to this individual in Marathi
> documents, we know that he came from the vicinity of the town of Panwel
> near Bombay.  I am wondering about the identity of Mohapaata, obviously a
> Sanskritization of a local village or town name.  Any suggestions on what
> the original Marathi place name might be?  Thanks.
>
>                                 Madhav Deshpande


Could Mohapaata be Mohabbatnagar = Motaagaon north of Ahmedaabaad (c 24o
57' 72o 38')? see R. Stroobandt, Epigraphical find-spots (Corpus
topographicum Indiae antiquae, 1), Gent 1974, pp. 47a and 102a and
sheet no. 7 S.I no. 45 and appendix map no. 1.




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Tue Jul 30 02:09:22 2002
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 20:09:22 -0600
Subject: rabari
Message-ID: <161227071221.23782.17857140183831604249.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

A year ago last February we heard about the work of Judy Frater in Kutcch.
She set up a rabari womens craft project there and also helped with the Bhuj
earthquake.  I just located the post I sent about her to H-Asia. Here is the
contact information I had at that time:

Kala Raksha Trust
Sumrasar Sheikh, ta. Bhuj, Kutch 370001
tel/fax 02898 77238  email: kalaraks at ad1.vsnl.net.in /
judyf at ad1.vsnl.net.in

There is also notice of this NGO on the following website:
http://www.indiancanvas.com/Exhibition_files/archive/artwatch2.htm
under the subheader, "Back to the roots".
"Gujarati speaking Ms Frater has lived among the Rabaris of Kutch for the
last 25 years. After having written an illustrated book on their
embroideries, The Threads of Tradition, she set up Kala Raksha in 1990 with
20 Rabari women to create a market for their handiwork and thus strengthen
their crafts tradition. Their voluntary group now works with 600 craftswomen
in Sumrasar Sheikh and six other villages in the Bhuj-Banni area."

Several other dated websites can  be obtained by typing into google the
following:
Sumrasar Sheikh, Bhuj, Kutch

Joanna Kirkpatrick




From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU  Tue Jul 30 04:37:31 2002
From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav M. DEshpande)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 02 21:37:31 -0700
Subject: Identity of placename Mohapaata?
In-Reply-To: <457492.3236931017@[141.211.72.120]>
Message-ID: <161227071219.23782.9409069056463673530.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Just spoke to a Mr. Palnitkar here in Detroit.  He confirms that his family
is from the village of Mohapaa.daa near Panvel (near Mumbai).  The copyist
of my ms, Hari Vi.s.nu Pa.lni.tkar must be one of his great great grand
uncles.  This is our Sanskritized Mohapaata.  Best,


Madhav Deshpande


--On Monday, July 29, 2002, 11:30 AM -0400 Madhav Deshpande
<mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Mumbai is often rendered as Mohamayii, yes.  Ahmedabad is rather too far
> away from the town of Panvel, near south Bombay on the mainland.  I have
> been looking at the local district maps, and there are several towns with
> names like Parsipada, Umberpada, and Jambaltulpada.  The one likely
> candidate for Mohapaata seems to be a town called Murbad near the city of
> Kalyan near Mumbai.  I will see if I can get hold of more detailed maps in
> our university library.  Best,
>
>                               Madhav Deshpande
>
> --On Monday, July 29, 2002 6:38 PM +0300 Asko Parpola
> <Asko.Parpola at HELSINKI.FI> wrote:
>
>> Madhav Deshpande wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear List Members,
>>>
>>>      I am working on a 200 year old Sanskrit manuscript of a text called
>>> Vedavicaara.  This particular manuscript was copied by a Marathi pundit
>>> named Hari Vishnu Palnitkar.  He describes himself as
>>> "mohapaatainvaasin", resident of Mohapaata.  From other references to
>>> this individual in Marathi documents, we know that he came from the
>>> vicinity of the town of Panwel near Bombay.  I am wondering about the
>>> identity of Mohapaata, obviously a Sanskritization of a local village or
>>> town name.  Any suggestions on what the original Marathi place name
>>> might be?  Thanks.
>>>
>>>                                 Madhav Deshpande
>>
>>
>> Could Mohapaata be Mohabbatnagar = Motaagaon north of Ahmedaabaad (c 24o
>> 57' 72o 38')? see R. Stroobandt, Epigraphical find-spots (Corpus
>> topographicum Indiae antiquae, 1), Gent 1974, pp. 47a and 102a and
>> sheet no. 7 S.I no. 45 and appendix map no. 1.




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Tue Jul 30 00:19:38 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 02 01:19:38 +0100
Subject: demonology and Indian medicine
In-Reply-To: <sd4535bd.033@loc.gov>
Message-ID: <161227071215.23782.4352441626362832943.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Filliozat's study of the Kumaratantra is essential: probably that's what
you mean below.  I have an article on this topic, "Miscarriages of
justice: demonic vengeance in classical Indian medicine", in the book
"Religion, Health and Suffering" edited by Roy Porter and John Hinnells
(Kegan Paul International, 1999

Best,
DW

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Allen W Thrasher wrote:

> I have a patron who is interested in the role of demonic forces in
> traditional Indian medicine, as background for their role in Tibetan
> medicine.  I have referred her to the Kumaratantra and vernacular works
> on demons as they affect children.  My library's copy of Meulenbeld's
> History of Indian medical literature is unavailable in processing.
> Could someone give some references on the subject?  The patron knows
> English, Russian, Tibetan, and Mongolian.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
> Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.
> Senior Reference Librarian
> Southern Asia Section
> Asian Division
> Library of Congress
> Jefferson Building 150
> 101 Independence Ave., S.E.
> Washington, DC 20540-4810
> tel. 202-707-3732
> fax 202-707-1724
> athr at loc.gov
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library
> of Congress.
>

--
Dominik Wujastyk




From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK  Tue Jul 30 00:25:31 2002
From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 02 01:25:31 +0100
Subject: AzvaghoSa
In-Reply-To: <045b01c22f4c$5d3fd6c0$72565f80@universidny7ip>
Message-ID: <161227071217.23782.489638827830052037.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Richard Salomon wrote:

> guesswork. The bottom line seems to be a pattern of association with the
> "Great Kushanas," especially Kaniska (see Johnston's Buddhacarita, int. pp.
> xiii-xvii)--whenever they/he were


Dear Richard,

Does your comment above mean that you have reservations about the
recent(ish) datings of Kaniska and his dynasty by Nicholas Sims-Williams
and Joe Cribb?

Best,
Dominik




author =        "Nicholas Sims-Williams and Joe Cribb",
  title =         "{A new Bactrian inscription of Kanishka the Great}",
  publisher =     "The Institute of Silk Road Studies",
  year =          "1995/96 {[1996]}",
  volume =        "4",
  journal =         "{Silk Road art and archaeology}",
  address =   "Kamakura",
  pages =          "75--142",
  abstract =      "Kaniska  earliest 100--126, latest 120--146.",


  author =        "Joe Cribb",
  title =         "{The early Kushan kings: new evidence for chronology.
    Evidence from the Rabatak inscription of Kanishka I}",
  booktitle =     "{Coins, art, and chronology.  Essays on the pre-Islamic
    history of the Indo-Iranian borderlands}",
  year =          "1999",
  pages =         "177--205",




From ghezziem at TIN.IT  Tue Jul 30 06:51:57 2002
From: ghezziem at TIN.IT (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 02 08:51:57 +0200
Subject: R: rabari
Message-ID: <161227071223.23782.6163449991762623685.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

> Dear list members,
>
> could anyone guide me as whether anything is known or
> being researched regarding the ethnic and territorial
> origin of the Rajastani tribe called rabari?
> Kindly excuse cross-posting.
>
> Best regards,
> Marina Orelskaya


Dearest Professor, an excellent book - but in Italian, alas! - is *Rabari -
Gli ultimi nomadi*, Stampa Alternativa - Nuovi Equilibri, Roma 1998.
The author, Francesco D'Orazi Flavoni, was an Italian diplomatic who lived
in India at least 20 years.

You can *see* it in visiting the home page of this very brilliant Italian
publishing house, which, by the way, often publishes also translations from
Sanskrit, Hindi, and so on: http://www.stampalternativa.it/
(E-mail: nuovi.equilibri at agora.stm.it)

All the best,
Daniela








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University of Perugia (Italy)
home address: piazza Buzzati, 5
43100 PARMA (Italy)
tel. & fax +39.0521.773854
cell. +39.338 3198904
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From rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Tue Jul 30 22:46:30 2002
From: rsalomon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Richard Salomon)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 02 15:46:30 -0700
Subject: AzvaghoSa
Message-ID: <161227071226.23782.13609295703875184802.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear Dominic (et al).:

My feeling on the new evidence presented by Cribb & Sims-Williams--and also
now by Falk in Silk Road Art and Archaeology-- in favor of  dating Kaniska
in the first half of the 2nd century AD is that it is persuasive but not
conclusive. In legal (American) terms, it would (if I were the judge)
constitute "a clear preponderance of evidence" [standard of proof for a
civil suit], but not "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" [standard for
criminal case]. I therefore lean toward a second century date for Kaniska,
but with the proviso that the 78 AD date is still not absolutely ruled out.

I have alluded to this issue, though not discussed  it in detail, in two
forthcoming articles, one in JAOS, the other in Bulletin of the Asia
Institute.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dominik Wujastyk" <ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: AzvaghoSa


> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Richard Salomon wrote:
>
> > guesswork. The bottom line seems to be a pattern of association with the
> > "Great Kushanas," especially Kaniska (see Johnston's Buddhacarita, int.
pp.
> > xiii-xvii)--whenever they/he were
>
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> Does your comment above mean that you have reservations about the
> recent(ish) datings of Kaniska and his dynasty by Nicholas Sims-Williams
> and Joe Cribb?
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
>
>
> author =        "Nicholas Sims-Williams and Joe Cribb",
>   title =         "{A new Bactrian inscription of Kanishka the Great}",
>   publisher =     "The Institute of Silk Road Studies",
>   year =          "1995/96 {[1996]}",
>   volume =        "4",
>   journal =         "{Silk Road art and archaeology}",
>   address =   "Kamakura",
>   pages =          "75--142",
>   abstract =      "Kaniska  earliest 100--126, latest 120--146.",
>
>
>   author =        "Joe Cribb",
>   title =         "{The early Kushan kings: new evidence for chronology.
>     Evidence from the Rabatak inscription of Kanishka I}",
>   booktitle =     "{Coins, art, and chronology.  Essays on the pre-Islamic
>     history of the Indo-Iranian borderlands}",
>   year =          "1999",
>   pages =         "177--205",
>




From conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Tue Jul 30 23:50:37 2002
From: conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Frank Conlon)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 02 16:50:37 -0700
Subject: rabari
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.4.44.0207291426360.48638-100000@homer13.u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <161227071228.23782.11218865739728263993.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Colleagues:

I thank Joanna Kirkpatrick for her quick recovery of the contacts which
she had for Judy Frater.  Professor Kirkpatrick's information is more up
to date than what I found when I got back here to Seattle today.

Frank




From jkirk at SPRO.NET  Wed Jul 31 01:00:56 2002
From: jkirk at SPRO.NET (jkirk)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 02 19:00:56 -0600
Subject: rabari
Message-ID: <161227071231.23782.13131593474935448001.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Hi Frank--chalk it up to bloated email save folders!
cheers
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Conlon" <conlon at U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: rabari


> Colleagues:
>
> I thank Joanna Kirkpatrick for her quick recovery of the contacts which
> she had for Judy Frater.  Professor Kirkpatrick's information is more up
> to date than what I found when I got back here to Seattle today.
>
> Frank
>




From m_orelskaya at YAHOO.COM  Wed Jul 31 16:56:52 2002
From: m_orelskaya at YAHOO.COM (marina orelskaya)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 02 09:56:52 -0700
Subject: rabari
In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.90.4.1027974429.magier@tere>
Message-ID: <161227071238.23782.16829079932770698011.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I would like to thank everyone for replying my
question on rabari.
           Best regards,
          Marina Orelskaya



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From karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL  Wed Jul 31 11:25:21 2002
From: karp at MERCURY.CI.UW.EDU.PL (Artur Karp)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 02 13:25:21 +0200
Subject: rabari
In-Reply-To: <20020729192022.55412.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <161227071233.23782.8663003997600703704.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

At 12:20 02-07-29 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear list members,
>
>could anyone guide me as whether anything is known or
>being researched regarding the ethnic and territorial
>origin of the Rajastani tribe called rabari?
>Kindly excuse cross-posting.
>
>Best regards,
>Marina Orelskaya


Solid information and further bibliography in:

Srivastava V. K., Religious Renunciation of a Pastoral People, Delhi 1997

You may also contact dr Dagnoslaw Demski, from the Polish Academy of Sciences,
who personally conducted research on and lived among the Rabaris.

His e-mail address is:

ddagno at poczta.fm


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From A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL  Wed Jul 31 13:55:16 2002
From: A.Griffiths at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 02 15:55:16 +0200
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
In-Reply-To: <199F3BA27DF@mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de>
Message-ID: <161227071236.23782.2196401208077549546.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

Dear fellow nai.s.thikabrahmacaarins,

Having recently gone through, and learnt much from

Mieko Kajihara, "The brahmacaar;in in the Veda: The Evolution of the ``Vedic
Student'' and the Dynamics of Texts, Rituals, and Society in Ancient India"
[PhD thesis, Harvard University, May 2002 -- unpublished]

for part of whose (Atharvavedic) source materials I must/may claim
responsibility, I feel I can make a small contribution to the discussion.

Gruenedahl wrote:

> various Saiva texts, according to which a bhautika
> - is a brahmacaarin for a limited (saavadhika) period of time
> - appreciates bhuuti (bhuutikaama). It seems that bhuuti "welfare /
> material wealth", and appreciation of it, are to not be taken as
> characteristic of the temporary brahmacarya, but rather of the
> subsequent stage [as a householder].

We should not look only at ;Saiva, but also at Vaidika sources.

An obvious point that has not been mentioned yet in the INDOLOGY discussion
(I don't know what was sent privately to Gruenendahl) is the paridaana
'entrusting' episode of the Gr.hyasuutras' Upanyana. PaarGS 2.2.21, e.g.,
states "athaina.m bhuutebhya.h paridadaati", quoting directly from ;SB
11.5.4.3. Cf. AagnivGS 1.1.3:9.13, HirGS 1.6.5, Kau;sS 56.13, etc.
    On the two types of brahmacaarin, for life and for a limited period, cf.
Devapaala's comm. on the LaugGS [Kashmir Series of Texts and Studies XLIX
and LV], vol. I, p. 79, 4ff. and vol. II, p. 92, 8ff. (translated and
annotated by Kajihara, p. 364f.): Devapaala uses the terms
nai.s.thikabrahmacaarin and upakurvaa.na.

Although I personally feel the term bhautika probably refers to the
bhuutaparidaana (or is this anachronistic?), I can add that the connection
between the brahmacaarin and bhuuti is also already of Vedic origin: having
a great number of brahmacaarins was a boon to the Vedic teacher, was part of
his (a householder's) wealth. I may be permitted to quote from my own
preliminary edition (prepared in collaboration with Werner Knobl) of the
hymn AV (Paippalaada) 19.53, found only in the Orissa mss. (in the Kashmir
ms., extended omissions and garbling of the text has occurred in after
19.52):

i.siraa caasy ajiraa caasi |
prajaapate.h samid asi sa.msitir? naama loma;saa |
prajaapati.s .tvayaa prati.s.thaakaamo +rurutsan? praty ati.s.that |
sa yathaa tvayaa prajaapati.h prati.s.thaakaama.h pratyati.s.thad
evaaha.m tvayaa prati.s.thaakaama.h prati +ti.s.theyam |
aa maa varo gamed aa maa brahmacaari.no gameyu.h svaahaa || 1 ||
    c: mss. .r.rtasa, .r.rjasa.
    e: mss. pratiti.s.the.sa.m - read prati .s.the.sam (prec.)?

+bhuuti;s +caasi prati.s.thaa ca || 2 ||
    mss.: bhuuti.s.thaasi

asvapnaa caasy anilayaa ca || 3 ||
ruci;s caasi yak.sa.m ca || 4 ||
kiirti;s caasi ya;sa;s ca || 5 ||
ambha;s caasi maha;s ca || 6 ||
anna.m caasy annaadya.m ca | [HENCE: NUMBERING UNCERTAIN]
?{{asi sa.msitir? naama loma;saa ||}}?

+prayachantii caasi +pradadatii caasi ||
    mss.: prayUchantii, praVadatii

asy upolapaa naama ||
anukaamaa caasi kaamadughaa caasi ||
aaharantii caasi samaaharantii caasi ||
di;santii caasi pradi;santii caasi ||
anumati;s caasy anumanyamaanaa ca ||
jiti;s caasi vijiti;s caasi ||
sa.mjiti;s caasi sa.mdhanaajita.m caasi |
prajaapate.h samid asy upolapaa naama |
prajaapati.s .tvayaa prati.s.thaakaamo +rurutsan? praty ati.s.that |
sa yathaa tvayaa prajaapati.h prati.s.thaakaama.h pratyati.s.thad
evaaha.m tvayaa prati.s.thaakaama.h prati +ti.s.theyam |
aa maa varo gamed aa maa brahmacaari.no gameyu.h svaahaa ||
    c: mss. .r.rtasa, .r.rjasa
    e: mss. pratiti.s.the.sa.m - read prati .s.the.sam (prec.)?

agni.h p.rthivyaa adhipati.h
somas tvaavatu vidma tvaa viddhi maa |
adhipatir asy adhipati.m maa k.r.nu gavaam a;svaanaa.m puru.saa.naa.m
brahmacaari.naa.m bhuutyaa annaadyasya ||
vaayur antarik.sasyaadhipati.h [somas ... annaadyasya] ||
suuryo divo adhipati.h
somas tvaavatu vidma tvaa viddhi maa |
adhipatir asi adhipati.m maa k.r.nu gavaam a;svaanaa.m puru.saanaa.m
brahmacaari.naa.m bhuutyaa annaadyasya ||
vindadvasavo vindantu me g.rhaan prajaa.m pa;suun vitti.m bhuuti.m
prati.s.thaam ||
    read: vidadvasavo? Cf. TS 3.2.10.2 etc. In addition cf., also for the
next two mantras, ;SS 13.4.54: (corrupt) id;advasu-.

aayadvasava aa yantu me g.rhaa.h prajaa pa;savo vittir bhuuti.h prati.s.thaa
||
sa.myadvasavo sa.m yantu me g.rhaa.h prajaa pa;savo vittir bhuuti.h
prati.s.thaa ||
jitir asi jiiyaasa.m +paarthivii.h p.rtanaa jiiyaasam ||
vijitir asi vije.saaya? maanu.sii.h p.rtanaa jiiyaasam ||
    read: vijiiyaasa.m? But cf. vije.sa- at PS 4.12.5, 5.32.1

sa.mjitir asi sa.m jiiyaasa.m sarvaa.h p.rtanaa jiiyaasam ||

Similar material connecting brahmacaarins with bhuuti also in AVP(O)
19.54.6-8 [PSK 19.54.6-8]:

ga.navardhana ga.na.m me vardhaya gavaam a;svaanaa.m puru.saa.naa.m
brahmacaari.naa.m bhuutyaa annaadyasya || 7 ||
ga.naabhivardhana ga.nam me 'bhi vardhaya [gavaam ... annaadyasya] || 8 ||
ga.napravardhana ga.nam me pra vardhaya gavaam a;svaanaa.m puru.saa.naa.m
brahmacaari.naam bhuutyaa annaadyasya || 9 ||


Hope this helps to widen the scope.


-- Arlo Griffiths

CNWS / Instituut Kern
Universiteit Leiden
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tel.: +31-71-5274128




From joerg.gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE  Tue Jul 23 11:11:51 2002
From: joerg.gengnagel at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (=?utf-8?Q?Dr=2E_J=C3=B6rg_Gengnagel?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 02 13:11:51 +0200
Subject: bhautika (-brahmacaarin)
Message-ID: <161227071185.23782.17663075562014519647.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

I have checked my notes again:

In M.rgendraagama, Kriyaapaada 8.2a (edition Bhatt p.119-20) the muula
distinguishes between two forms of diikshaa "bhautikii nai.s.thikii
caiva". Naaraaya.naka.n.tha?s V.rtti says "bhautikii bhuutikaamasya"
(p.120, l.1).
The same text says in Caryaapaada 1.8 (p.209)
"bhautikavratinas te syur ye.saa.m saavadhika.m vratam /
dehapaataantaka.m ye.saa.m te ni.s.thaavratina.h sm.rta.h //
V.rtti on bhautika "kaalenaitad vrata.m sa.mnyastavyam"

The anthology Shaivagamaparibhashamanjari (edition B. Dagens 1979) gives
the following unidentified passage:
"brahmcaarii dvidhaa j?neyo bhautiko nai.s.thika.h para.h / vidyaavrate
tu g.rhaanta.m tasya vartanam / dvitiiyo nai.s.thika.h prokto dehaanta.m
tasya vartanam /" (p.91)
See also the quotation of  Acintyavishvasadakhya 2.5-6 on p. 75.

I am sure there are many more references in Shaiva ritual texts.

Best
Joerg Gengnagel