From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Sun Sep 2 15:26:54 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 01 16:26:54 +0100 Subject: another job announcement (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069658.23782.10418324507603829017.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- South Asia position search: Position announcement: Cornell University. Department of Asian Studies invites applications for a tenure-track assistant professorship in South Asian literature, religion, linguistics, or intellectual / cultural history beginning August 2002. The candidate should be able to contribute to the teaching curriculum and the research profile of an interdisciplinary department that provides undergraduate instruction and trains scholars to relate Asian humanities to wider concerns. Applicants must be competent in at least one modern South Asian language and be able to help provide intellectual context for South Asian language instruction in the department. Preference will be given to applicants with language competence that complements current departmental strengths. Ph.D. required at time of appointment. Review of applications will begin December 1, 2001. Send letter of application, curriculum vita, three letters of reference, and one article or thesis chapter to: Daniel Gold Chair, South Asia Search Committee Cornell University Department of Asian Studies 388 Rockefeller Hall Ithaca, NY 14853-2506 e-mail: drg4 at cornell.edu Cornell University is an Equal Opportunity Employer. From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Sep 3 10:43:29 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 01 11:43:29 +0100 Subject: Query about Krishna Message-ID: <161227069662.23782.15259204265639860322.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> If anyone would like to reply to this, please send directly to David Braunsberg, with a copy to the list. Thanks, Dominik ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 01:15:52 -0400 From: Patricia Braunsberg To: Dominik Wujastyk Subject: Re: your mail Dear Dominik, Do you know of anyone that I could e-mail or write to who would probably know the answers to my questions about Krishna's death? David Braunsberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Dominik Wujastyk Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:35 AM To: Patricia Braunsberg Subject: Re: your mail I can't answer, I'm afraid. Best, Dominik On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Patricia Braunsberg wrote: > Dear Dominik, > > Are there any variant stories about Krishna being crucified? Are > there any depictions from ancient Indian art from any time period > which depicts Krishna either suspended on a cross or on a tree? > According to one website that I have looked at, there is a tradition > about Krishna's death where he goes down to the Ganges without his > disciples. He plunges three times into the river, and kneels and > prays while waiting for his death. A man named Angada shot and killed > Krishna with multiple arrows. Angada was punished by wandering > forever on the banks of the Ganges and subsisting off the dead. > Supposedly Krishna was suspended on a tree by his murderer so that > vultures could prey on it. Supposedly Krishna dies on a tree on which > he was nailed with the stroke of an arrow. This website is: > www.truthbeknown.com/kcrucified.htm if you want to look at it. > > Are any of these claims true? Even if they are not true, are there > any conflicting versions of Krishna's death which differ from the main > story in which Jaras shoots Krishna with an arrow as found in the > Mahabharata and Bhagavata Purana? > > Sincerely, > > David Braunsberg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dominik Wujastyk > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:43 AM > To: Patricia Braunsberg > Cc: D.Wujastyk > Subject: Re: your mail > > No, I don't. > > This topic is comprehensively discussed in John Brockington's magesterial > study of the epics, published by Brill. > > Dominik > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Patricia Braunsberg wrote: > > > Dear Dominick, > > Do you have a page on this website which talks > about the dating of the Puranas and the Mahabharata? > > Sincerely, > > > David Braunsberg > > From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Sep 3 10:47:16 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 01 11:47:16 +0100 Subject: Emmerick (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069665.23782.449373885528506831.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:37:38 +0200 From: "meulenbeld,gerrit jan" To: d.wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk Subject: emmerick Dear Dominik, This is just to inform you, in case you do not know, that Ron Emmerick passed away last Friday. Best wishes, Jan From aakamat at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP Mon Sep 3 08:37:07 2001 From: aakamat at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Akihiko Akamatsu) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 01 17:37:07 +0900 Subject: address change Message-ID: <161227069660.23782.13717825372003584566.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear friends and colleagues, I have joined the Kyoto University faculty from 1st of April 2001, and thus want to alert you to my new address, phone and e-mail. Akihiko Akamatsu Professor of History of Indian Philosophy Graduate School of Letters Kyoto University Yoshida, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8501, JAPAN phone: +81-75-753-2822 e-mail: aakamat at bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp By this small informaition, I wanted to notify members of New Indology of my new e-mail address. Yours sincerely --- akihiko From j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 4 08:31:52 2001 From: j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 01 01:31:52 -0700 Subject: intratext site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069667.23782.9450841817193224900.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I found the following site interesting -- I did not yet see a link on the Indology homepage, perhaps rightly so because it only marginally deals with indological texts, and mainly in translation. For me only the thorough indexing of A.B. Keith's translation of TS may be of occasional use. The indexing of Sanskrit RV is no great succes. It seems that intratext can index any text-file for personal use, but I have not yet tried it. http://www.intratext.com/BHI/ The Buddhist section of this site gives some translated text as the "gospel" of the Buddha. Jan Houben __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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Washington, D.C. 20540-4860 Email: scholarly at loc.gov Visit the Fellowship website at http://www.loc.gov/kluge From jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU Wed Sep 5 15:41:13 2001 From: jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU (Jonathan Silk) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 01 11:41:13 -0400 Subject: Bhallatazataka In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069679.23782.17358182244298502684.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, In Zachariae's edition of Mankhakoza, p. 60, regarding the cy to 454c vaiyaap.rtyakaro bhogii, he refers to Bhalla.tazataka 37. I have at hand the edition edited by Vedkumari Ghai and Rampratap (Delhi: Meharchand Lachhmandas, 1985), and can find nothing relevant in verse 37 or elsewhere. What am I missing? Thanks in advance for the help! -- Jonathan Silk jonathan.silk at yale.edu Dept. of Religious Studies Box 20827 Yale University New Haven CT 06520-8287 USA tel. 203-432-0828 fax. 203-432-7844 From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Wed Sep 5 11:48:11 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 01 12:48:11 +0100 Subject: Prof. Emmerick (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069674.23782.12768820557713760488.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> For the announcement referred to below, see http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/death-announcement.gif ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:49:39 +0200 From: Tanja Amini To: ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk Subject: Prof. Emmerick Dear Dominik Wujastik, in agreement with Mrs. Emmerick we would ask you to forward this death announcement to the indology-list (@listserv.co.uk). Thank you Tanja Amini Universit?t Hamburg AAI Iranistik 20148 Hamburg Germany From athr at LOC.GOV Wed Sep 5 19:34:15 2001 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 01 15:34:15 -0400 Subject: Library history : essay prize Message-ID: <161227069683.23782.1651855889620975500.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The Library History Round Table (LHRT) of the American Library Association (ALA) is accepting submissions for the 2002 Justin Winsor Prize for the best library history essay. Applications must be received by February 1, 2002. Receipt will be confirmed with 2 business days The award, named in honor of the distinguished 19th century librarian, historian, and bibliographer who was also ALA's first president, consists of a $500 cash award. It includes an invitation to have the winner's paper considered for publication in Libraries and Culture. Manuscripts submitted should not be previously published, previously submitted for publication, or under consideration for publication or another award. To be considered, essays should embody original historical research on a significant topic in library history, be based on primary sources materials whenever possible, and use good English composition and superior style. Essays should be organized in a form similar to that of articles published in Libraries and Culture, with footnotes, spelling and punctuation conforming to the latest edition of the Chicago Manual of Style. Papers should not exceed 35 typewritten, double-spaced pages. Three copies of the manuscript should be submitted. The name and other information identifying the author should appear only on a separate cover letter. Submit manuscripts to Mary Jo Lynch, American Library Association/LHRT, 50 East Huron St., Chicago, IL 60611. Fax and e-mail are not acceptable Decisions will be made by LHRT's Justin Winsor Prize Committee chaired by Lorna Peterson, University at Buffalo (SUNY), School of Informatics, Department of Library and Information Studies. Dr. Toni Samek Assistant Professor School of Library & Information Studies 3-15 Rutherford South, University of Alberta Edmonton, Alberta CANADA T6G 2J4 Phone: (780) 492-0179 Fax: (780) 492-2430 Web: http://www.ualberta.ca/~asamek/toni.htm From pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE Wed Sep 5 17:12:40 2001 From: pwyzlic at UNI-BONN.DE (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 01 18:12:40 +0100 Subject: Bhallatazataka In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069681.23782.2393994067514686972.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Jonathan Silk wrote: > In Zachariae's edition of Mankhakoza, p. 60, regarding the cy to 454c > vaiyaap.rtyakaro bhogii, he refers to Bhalla.tazataka 37. I have at > hand the edition edited by Vedkumari Ghai and Rampratap (Delhi: > Meharchand Lachhmandas, 1985), and can find nothing relevant in verse > 37 or elsewhere. What am I missing? In the old Kavyamala edition of the Bhallatasataka vs. 37 there seems to be a pun on bhogin. So I guess it is the right one. See Kaavyamaalaa : a collection of old rare Sanskrit Kaavyas, Naatakas, Champuus ... / ed. by Pandita Durgaaprasaada and Kaazinaatha Paa.n.duranga Parab. - Part IV. - Bombay : Nirnaya-Saagara Press, 1887, p. 140-156, esp. p. 145 [Note that this is a volume of the Roman numbered Kavyamala series] In our library we have also a newer edition (with Hindi paraphrase) that gives the same text as the Kavyamala edition: Bhalla.tazatakam ... / vyaakhyaakaara.h Raamacandra Maalaviiya.h. Sampaadikaa Maayaa Maalaviiya. - Prayaaga : Ganganaatha-Jhaa-Kendriiya-Sa.msk.rtavidyapii.tham, 1993. - (Gairvaa.niigauravagranthamaalaa) Peter Wyzlic -- Indologisches Seminar der Universitaet Bonn Regina-Pacis-Weg 7, D-53113 Bonn Deutschland / Germany From garzilli at SHORE.NET Wed Sep 5 11:03:27 2001 From: garzilli at SHORE.NET (Enrica Garzilli) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 01 23:03:27 +1200 Subject: D. R. Regmi Message-ID: <161227069672.23782.16802061963871700171.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, I am very sorry to inform you that the famous Nepali historian, and fighter for India and Nepal democracy Dr. Dilli R. Regmi (b. 1913) died last week, after a long illness. He died in a clinic in Kathmandu, his body was taken to his residence for one night and the funeral was next day on the banks of Bagmati River near Pashupati temple. He was PhD in Economics at Patna University, in Literature at the UN. of Madras, and was awarded Honorary Doctor in Science at the Un. of Moscow. He was a good friend of Rahul Sankrityayan and many of the most eminent politicians and scholars of his time. He was the first Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs of democratic Nepal. He wrote books on ancient and modern history of Nepal and on Nepali inscriptions, and several articles. In 1997, the President of India K. R. Narayan congratulated him for his 85th birthday remembering him "with gratitude for your selfless services in the struggle for India's Independence" and conveying "on behalf of the people of India, and on my own behalf, good wishes for your long life, good health and happiness". -- Dr. Enrica Garzilli University of Macerata, Italy Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Tantric Studies Journ. of S. Asia Women Studies http://www.asiatica.org ********************************************************* From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Thu Sep 6 12:17:22 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 01 13:17:22 +0100 Subject: sanskrit manuscript (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069686.23782.7044811186800540233.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> For general information: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:09:40 +0530 From: Jnana Pravaha Subject: sanskrit manuscript Dear Sir, [reference to scanned MSS on the INDOLOGY website] We are an institution in Varanasi.You may kindly visit our website http://www.jnanapravaha.org to know about us. We have about 500 old manuscripts in our liabrary and were wondering how to make them available to people interested in this subject. This is an interesting way to do it. You must have scanned it. Would you please tell me that could there be any adverse effect on the writing due to exposure to strong light which is used in scanning or photocopying. [...] Yours sincerely, Bimla Poddar (Managing Trustee) From jkirk at MICRON.NET Fri Sep 7 14:26:43 2001 From: jkirk at MICRON.NET (jkirk) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 01 08:26:43 -0600 Subject: Another new question Message-ID: <161227069690.23782.9510775534034172316.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A listmember wrote: does anybody > know any books or articles bearing on early Indian hand-mirrors Such queries prompt me to once again ask a question which I sent to the "other' indology list from which I received no replies. Perhaps someone on this list might be able to set me straight. When I recently visited the Art Inst of Chicago--having been there before on several occasions--I suddenly noticed something I'd simply overlooked before. Just inside the exhibit after you enter, when you go right into the Asian art sculpture section, there is a Gandharan Bodhisattva torso. What stuns me are the obvious tabiz-like multiple amulet necklaces he is wearing draped over his chest and upper arms. The amulets are shaped quite like so many tabiz one sees on south Asian Muslims, usually around the neck or tied closely on an upper arm. The shape is a rectangular-ish tube attached by 2 loops to the chain on this murti. Indian Shakyamuni Buddha images of course do not wear jewelry (at least far as I've noticed--there could always be exceptions.) Bodhisattvas do. But these I speak of are not just jewelry--they are amulet necklaces. I've looked at a few other Gandharan period images--of Hariti for ex.--she does not wear amulets but necklaces. There is one headless Buddha image which is wearing three identical necklaces but the jewlery shows no amulets (why would he wear amulets since he is the founder?). One does not see such tabiz shaped amulets on east Asian Bodhisattvas--I can't recall seeing any on southeast Asian Bodhisattvas, either--they seem to wear non-amulet type jewelries. Also, I don't know of any evidence that the Greeks of this period wore amulets, even though their esthetics/conventions influenced Gandharan design. Did the Hindus of this period wear amulets? Amulets were apparenrly worn in ancient Harappa (see Kenoyer) but their shape is different from the tabiz shape I refer to here. Does anyone know when this particular type of necklace with tabiz ornament ( as seen on the Gandhara image cited above) got started in the Gandharan area? Joanna Kirkpatrick Bennington College, retd. From jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU Fri Sep 7 14:47:56 2001 From: jonathan.silk at YALE.EDU (Jonathan Silk) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 01 10:47:56 -0400 Subject: Another new question In-Reply-To: <006f01c137a9$36669de0$2930cece@JKIRK> Message-ID: <161227069693.23782.7605827874715207833.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >[snip] >Just inside the exhibit after you enter, when you go right into the Asian >art sculpture section, there is a Gandharan Bodhisattva torso. >What stuns me are the obvious tabiz-like multiple amulet necklaces he is >wearing draped over his chest and upper arms. The amulets are shaped quite [snip] I am sorry that off the top of my head I cannot give a bibliography, but these have been discussed since long ago as "dhaara.nii boxes." I think there is some significant question whether this is right, but one might look at the old paper by L. A. Waddell on dharanis, which I think has photos of just what you are referring to (sorry, I forgot where it was published, but if memory is right it was in a German anthropological journal--but the paper is in English). John Huntington at Ohio might be able to give you an up-to-date bibliography on this. -- Jonathan Silk jonathan.silk at yale.edu Dept. of Religious Studies Box 20827 Yale University New Haven CT 06520-8287 USA tel. 203-432-0828 fax. 203-432-7844 From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU Fri Sep 7 08:23:23 2001 From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 01 11:23:23 +0300 Subject: thanks and new question Message-ID: <161227069688.23782.17467800033379705659.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Many thanks to Lars Martin Fosse, John C.Hungtindon and Geoffrey Samuel for their answers to my query on early Indian bronzes. Now I have one more question to my learned colleagues: does anybody know any books or articles bearing on early Indian hand-mirrors (except K. de B.Codrington, Ancient Indian hand-mirrors. - In: Man, 1929, No.130)? Thanks in advance, Ya.V. --- Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu) Institute of Oriental Studies Fri, 07 Sep 101 11:06 +0300 MSK From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 7 17:18:55 2001 From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 01 13:18:55 -0400 Subject: Another new question Message-ID: <161227069698.23782.5601229514943402171.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Joanna and other concerned members of the list, Note: If you want the attachments e-mail me directly. The listserve is configured to deject them! Why? This doesn't mean much with out the pictures. The very few, I only know of four or five, first century B.C. bodhisattva figures from Swat and Gandhara and they are not depicted with these amulets (Attachment 1). This style is loosely connected to the Parthian period on the basis of some sculptural techniques With the advent of the next generation of images, which are carved in a more Eastern Hellenic style, the amulets exist on most Bodhisattva images. For example, The inscribed bodhisattva Maitreya from Taxila dated to the 110 of Azes (A.D. 52/3) offered by Christie's (Attachment 2) a few years ago [actual date might be a problem but it is an early piece any way] wears a fully developed array of these. this points to a beginning of the Christian era date for the introduction of the amulet type into Buddhism. They are hung in the manner of a Brahmanical sacred thread. A few physical examples of them are known some in the Taxila museum (Attachment 3) and one form the Ahin Posh site in Afghanistan (Attachment 4) which contained the famous Kanishka Boddo coin. I have never actually seen the Ahin Posh one but I have photos both it and of the Taxila ones. All of these point to a "pre-sculptural-representation" existence that I know of no way to track. It is possible that the Italian teams who excavated the pre Buddhist graves in Gandharan area might have found something. I believe one of the excavators was named Sebastiano Tusa. The Russian excavation of first century B.C. Kushan royal graves at Tillya-Tepe yielded lots of gold objects but none of these so they probably did not come into the area with the Kushans but one of their predecessors either the Sakas or the Parthians The same design, is still made and used in Nepal where it can hold either dharanis or mantras for protection from disease and evil. I hope this is useful. John Huntington -- *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* | * John C. Huntington, Professor | (Buddhist Arts of Asia and Buddhist Iconography) * Department of the History of Art | The Ohio State University * 108 North Oval Mall | Columbus, Ohio 43210-1318 U.S.A. * | 01 (614) 688-8198 Direct office line w/ voice-mail * 01 (614) 292-7481 Department office | (8:00a-5:00p EST [U.S]) * | *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* | * Visit the Huntington Photographic Archive | of Buddhist and Related Arts at: * http://kaladarshan.arts.ohio-state.edu/ | *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* From jkirk at MICRON.NET Fri Sep 7 20:26:01 2001 From: jkirk at MICRON.NET (jkirk) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 01 14:26:01 -0600 Subject: Another new question Message-ID: <161227069701.23782.3567553581595724623.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Fantastic---could you tell me what about it suggests Hellenistic style? from the description you give, I don't register Greek stylistic features-------J ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockington" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Another new question > on 7/9/01 3:26 pm, jkirk wrote: > > > Just inside the exhibit after you enter, when you go right into the Asian > > art sculpture section, there is a Gandharan Bodhisattva torso. > > > > Also, I don't know of any evidence that the Greeks of this period wore > > amulets, even though their esthetics/conventions influenced Gandharan > > design. Did the Hindus of this period wear amulets? > > > I am not sure whether this is quite the shape that you are describing but > there is a fine example of an amulet case showing Hellenistic influence > found in the Gandhara area in the British Museum (a slide of it that I > bought some years ago is numbered OA 77). This is an octagonal piece in > section (like a short piece of octagonal pencil) with two rings set at right > angles to the main axis near each end; is is made of gold set with garnets > and dated 2nd-3rd cent. A.D. > > John Brockington > > > Professor J. L. Brockington > Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies > 7 Buccleuch Place > Edinburgh EH8 9LW U.K. > > tel: +131 650 4174 > fax: +131 651 1258 > From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 7 15:48:06 2001 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (John Brockington) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 01 16:48:06 +0100 Subject: Another new question In-Reply-To: <006f01c137a9$36669de0$2930cece@JKIRK> Message-ID: <161227069696.23782.6934242975997980559.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> on 7/9/01 3:26 pm, jkirk wrote: > Just inside the exhibit after you enter, when you go right into the Asian > art sculpture section, there is a Gandharan Bodhisattva torso. > > Also, I don't know of any evidence that the Greeks of this period wore > amulets, even though their esthetics/conventions influenced Gandharan > design. Did the Hindus of this period wear amulets? > I am not sure whether this is quite the shape that you are describing but there is a fine example of an amulet case showing Hellenistic influence found in the Gandhara area in the British Museum (a slide of it that I bought some years ago is numbered OA 77). This is an octagonal piece in section (like a short piece of octagonal pencil) with two rings set at right angles to the main axis near each end; is is made of gold set with garnets and dated 2nd-3rd cent. A.D. John Brockington Professor J. L. Brockington Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies 7 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW U.K. tel: +131 650 4174 fax: +131 651 1258 From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP Tue Sep 11 02:25:11 2001 From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 01 11:25:11 +0900 Subject: new version of the digital Zaanti Message-ID: <161227069703.23782.14979976218841381666.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Subscribers, For long it was in my mind to revise completely the digital text of the Zaantiparvan, the poorest part of my ``Machine-readable Text of the Mahaabhaarata for Word-search,'' released in 1994 (many typing mistakes besides uncapitalized cerebrals). This summer I read this Parvan for my own study and revised the whole text. The text is not perfect yet but I believe it was considerably improved. More than 10,000 letters were retyped. The new version (m12.2.e) is downloadable from http://tiger.bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/mtokunag/skt_texts/ With best regards, =============================================== Muneo TOKUNAGA Professor of Sanskrit Graduate School of Letters Kyoto University Sakyo-ku, Kyoto City Japan (postal code: 606-8501) Tel/Fax: 075-753-2778 email: mtokunag at bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp ================================================ From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP Wed Sep 12 01:18:10 2001 From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 01 10:18:10 +0900 Subject: new version of the digital Zaanti In-Reply-To: <200109110221.CAA23451@muse.bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <161227069705.23782.10006695331367037236.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Prof. Tokunaga, Thank you for updating the Zaantiparvan. I have replaced the file m12.1_1.e in my ftp server by the new version m12.2.e. Michio YANO Tel +81-75-705-1781 Faculty of Cultural Studies Fax +81-75-705-1799 Kyoto Sangyo University e-mail: yanom at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp Kyoto 603-8555 Japan http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/ From athr at LOC.GOV Wed Sep 12 20:58:08 2001 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 01 16:58:08 -0400 Subject: Questions on South Asian English Message-ID: <161227069707.23782.13710709853621828860.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Would a South Asian, particularly a speaker of Urdu, be likely to say "you peoples" instead of "you people" in addressing a large group of people, a collectivity? What would be the most likely spelling in South Asia of the honorific for a descendant of Mohammad: sheikh, sheykh, shaikh, or shaykh? Thanks, Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian 101 Independence Ave., SE Southern Asia Section LJ-150 Asian Division Washington, DC 20540-4810 Library of Congress U.S.A. tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 Email: athr at loc.gov The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of the Library of Congress. From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Fri Sep 14 14:59:49 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 01 15:59:49 +0100 Subject: Indian calendar program Message-ID: <161227069709.23782.8076381413789961475.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> For general information. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:52:24 -0400 From: Raymond Mercier Dear Dominik, Yano: Your message some time ago about Michio Yano's calendar program prompts me to say that I wish you would give some publicity also to my Kairos program, Windows program for Win95 etc.. Quite possibly you did not even know of it. It is a general calendar coversion program that includes, among a lot of others, the Indian calendar according to a choice of source parameters, choice of Mean and True tithis, and a display that includes all possible combinations of Era, amanta, punimanta months, etc. I have a web site for it: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/RaymondM True, I charge ?60 for it, but it covers a lot of ground. If you would like a full version for yourself, please tell me. It is widely used, and indeed the Staatsbibliothek in Berlin bought no less than 4 copies. The version to appear next will include a complete Chinese chronology, with Chinese characters, and a calendar based directly exactly on the authoritative Chinese calendar tables. [...] Best, Raymond From yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP Sat Sep 15 01:39:26 2001 From: yanom at CC.KYOTO-SU.AC.JP (Michio YANO) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 01 10:39:26 +0900 Subject: Indian calendar program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069711.23782.10088181185990072553.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dominik, Thank you for your inpormation about the Kairo program. Since I know Dr. Mercier very well, I sent an e-mail to him ordering the full version of the program. I was thinking about how to improve my pancanga proram, but probably I do not need to spend time for it any more. Yours, Michio From zysk at HUM.KU.DK Sun Sep 16 05:03:58 2001 From: zysk at HUM.KU.DK (Kenneth Zysk) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 01 07:03:58 +0200 Subject: Asiatic Society of Bengal Message-ID: <161227069713.23782.3259749241488907903.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A student will be travelling to Calcutta to consult the collection of the Asiatic Society. He wants to make sure that it will be open and receiving scholars on the following dates: September 27-30, 2001 Can someone confirm that Asiatic Society will indeed we open during these dates. If not, when will it be open. Many thanks, KGZ -- Kenneth Zysk Department of Asian Studies University of Copenhagen Ph: +45 3532 8832 Leifsgade 33,5 Fax: +45 3532 8835 DK-2300 Copenhagen S Denmark Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk If mail address fails use: zysk at spam.hum.ku.dk From ghart at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU Sun Sep 16 17:39:08 2001 From: ghart at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 01 10:39:08 -0700 Subject: References to CaNDaala Message-ID: <161227069715.23782.14486572452525643897.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am looking a bit further into the institution of caste (jaati), which I have shown is documented in Tamil Sangam literature. The evidence is, in my opinion, conclusive that jaati is pre-Aryan and existed in prehistoric South India (and probably at a very early time in the rest of South Asia). In my view, the defining feature of the caste system is the lowest castes (dalits), who play the role of priests and intermediaries with the spirit world in old Tamil and even in many areas of modern South Asia. I am interested in locating the earliest references to CaNDaalas and other very low castes in Sanskrit/Prakrit/Pali. Thanks. George Hart -- From vjroebuck at APPLEONLINE.NET Sun Sep 16 19:44:37 2001 From: vjroebuck at APPLEONLINE.NET (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 01 20:44:37 +0100 Subject: References to CaNDaala In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069719.23782.16584336867110255947.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I expect you know the ones in the UpaniSads--BU IV.3.22, CU V.10.7, V.24.4. For Pali, the PTS dictionary has an interesting entry under CaNDAla, including a reference to a list of low castes at Anguttara I.107. Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK >...I am interested in locating >the earliest references to CaNDaalas and other very low castes in >Sanskrit/Prakrit/Pali. Thanks. George Hart >-- From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Sun Sep 16 19:47:18 2001 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 01 21:47:18 +0200 Subject: SV: References to CaNDaala Message-ID: <161227069717.23782.8954426451236675817.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> George Hart [SMTP:ghart at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU] skrev 16. september 2001 19:39: > I am looking a bit further into the institution of caste (jaati), > which I have shown is documented in Tamil Sangam literature. The > evidence is, in my opinion, conclusive that jaati is pre-Aryan and > existed in prehistoric South India (and probably at a very early time > in the rest of South Asia). Dear members of Indology, I have collected a number of references to candalas which I have forwarded to George Hart. If any of you are interested, I can send the same data to them. Pls give me a hint. Best regards, Lars Martin Fosse Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) Email: lmfosse at online.no From aktor789 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 17 06:37:57 2001 From: aktor789 at HOTMAIL.COM (Mikael Aktor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 01 08:37:57 +0200 Subject: References to CaNDaala Message-ID: <161227069722.23782.3368211810415938895.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The earliest references to candalas and paulkasas are, according to Kane's History of Dharmasastra, Vaj.Samhita 30.17 and 30.21 / Tai.Brahmana 3.4.14 / 3.4.17. The upanishadic references are: ChU 5.10.7, 5.24.4 and BAU 4.3.22. But apart from the Vedic references candalas are mentioned in a very large range of old literary genres. For dharmasutras and -smrtis and their commentaries (but also for many of the older references), you may see my Ph.D. thesis _Ritualisation and Segregation: The Untouchability complex in the scholarly literature on dharma with special reference to Parasarasmrti and Parasaramadhaviya_, University of Copenhagen, 1997. I guess you can acquire it through interlibrary loan. George Hart also wrote: The > evidence is, in my opinion, conclusive that jaati is pre-Aryan and > existed in prehistoric South India (and probably at a very early time > in the rest of South Asia). Could you please refer to some of your works where this evidence is presented. All the best Mikael Aktor -------------------------- Mikael Aktor, assistant professor, Ph.D., Center for the Study of Religions, University of Southern Denmark, Campusvej 55, DK-5230 Odense M, Denmark. Phone: +45 6550 3318 - +45 3696 9054 (home) Fax: 6593 2375 - E-mail: aktor at filos.sdu.dk ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Hart" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:39 PM Subject: References to CaNDaala > I am looking a bit further into the institution of caste (jaati), > which I have shown is documented in Tamil Sangam literature. [...] From H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL Mon Sep 17 17:03:56 2001 From: H.J.H.Tieken at LET.LEIDENUNIV.NL (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 01 19:03:56 +0200 Subject: Kavya in South India Message-ID: <161227069724.23782.18136165240878370952.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Hart, Having read your response to the publication of my book Kavya in South India, I decided to write to you to let you know that I would be interested in exchanging opinions with you on Old Tamil Cankam literature, perhaps in the form of a guest lecture at Berkeley. I am looking forward to hearing from you. Yours sincerely, Herman Tieken Instituut Kern University of Leiden P.O.B. 9515 2300 RA Leiden The Netherlands From ghart at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU Tue Sep 18 02:08:45 2001 From: ghart at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (George Hart) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 01 19:08:45 -0700 Subject: Kavya in South India In-Reply-To: <3DF3F852B6A8D311AD2100508B7865159B4139@letsxc002.let.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <161227069727.23782.13300823078169617865.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Tieken, I am reviewing your book for JAOS, and will be giving it my closest attention. As I said, my comments on this list were based on the blurb on the cover -- obviously, they are preliminary. Your thesis as stated there is quite intriguing, but it's so radical that I have trouble with it, especially as it conflicts with so much evidence and so much scholarship. In any case, I look forward to reading the book in an unbiased way and reporting further. I am using this public forum, as you have written me in that way. We will certainly look forward to your lecturing at Berkeley when you visit -- whether we agree or not, I do not doubt that our interaction could stimulate interesting ideas and insights. Sincerely, George Hart, Prof. of Tamil, Univ. of California, Berkeley -- From jfstaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU Tue Sep 18 18:10:46 2001 From: jfstaal at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (Frits Staal) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 01 11:10:46 -0700 Subject: Parmenides and the Chandogya In-Reply-To: <001c01c14043$aa4946c0$d554b59d@dial.elte.hu> Message-ID: <161227069736.23782.5624097134576546770.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athr at LOC.GOV Tue Sep 18 15:58:57 2001 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 01 11:58:57 -0400 Subject: Modi script : learn online Message-ID: <161227069734.23782.7442665222110014575.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I have been trolling South Asian newsgroups pursuant to a project the Library of Congress has permanently to archive electronically sites discussing the September 11 attacks. I came across the following more peaceful message on soc.culture.indian.marathi. Allen Subject: learn modi script online Date: 11 Sep 2001 01:00:01 -0700 From: rcm_88 at yahoo.com (Rajiv Mhasawade) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.marathi dear friends, our marathi language was written in modi script from 1200 to 1950.i have opened a site to preserve and spread modi script.plz visit and learn it. thanks. http://marathimodi.tripod.com email: rcm_88 at yahoo.com rajiv From f_ruzsa at LUDENS.ELTE.HU Tue Sep 18 13:10:51 2001 From: f_ruzsa at LUDENS.ELTE.HU (Ferenc Ruzsa) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 01 15:10:51 +0200 Subject: Parmenides and the Chandogya Message-ID: <161227069729.23782.7274610117497426418.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Friends, I am writing an article comparing Parmenides and the sadvidyA (6th chapter, the dialog between zvetaketu and uddAlaka AruNi) of the chAndogya upaniSad. Has there been anything important or interesting written on this in the past half century? Thank you for any hint, Ferenc -------------------------------------------------------- Ferenc Ruzsa, PhD associate professor of philosophy E?tv?s Lor?nd University, Budapest e-mail: f_ruzsa at ludens.elte.hu From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Tue Sep 18 14:09:24 2001 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 01 16:09:24 +0200 Subject: SV: Parmenides and the Chandogya Message-ID: <161227069731.23782.18165419246941393744.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Ferenc Ruzsa [SMTP:f_ruzsa at LUDENS.ELTE.HU] skrev 18. september 2001 15:11: > <> Hello Ferenc, I don't know if this reference is of any interest to you, but I send it anyway: Popper, Karl Raimund, Arne Friemuth Petersen, and Jorgen Mejer. 1998. The world of Parmenides : essays on the Presocratic enlightenment. London ; New York: Routledge. Best regards, Lars Martin Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) Email: lmfosse at online.no From athr at LOC.GOV Thu Sep 20 19:47:20 2001 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 01 15:47:20 -0400 Subject: "Ras Pulo" a Krishna festival Message-ID: <161227069743.23782.17378357518955942474.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Has anyone heard of "Ras Pulo" as a festival identical with our around Ras Purnima? A patron has been told that Mirabai was traditionally born at Ras Pulo. The patron cannot find this in English biographies of Mira. I cannot find it in Hindi dictionaries, though Pulo might be Pulav, i.e. pilaf. Is a pilaf a specialty at Ras Purnima anyplace? Allen Thrasher From p.friedlander at LATROBE.EDU.AU Mon Sep 24 01:12:54 2001 From: p.friedlander at LATROBE.EDU.AU (Peter Friedlander) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 01 11:12:54 +1000 Subject: Arya samaj adversaries? Message-ID: <161227069745.23782.57053879463035296.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear List members, I am working on the 1891 Indian census report and I have come across the following in reference to the Arya Samaj. "It has achieved the first step towards success in the possession of an adversary, a " religion " started by a personal enemy of its founder. The new faith was proclaimed on the occasion of the Jubilee of Her Majesty, at Lahore, and is now estimated to have 190 followers. It publishes three, periodicals and a shower of tracts, mostly directed against its rival. The latter is not slow to retort, and as both parties are recruited chiefly from the officio-cleric community, to whom composition is a recreation, the amount of literature produced, in proportion to the number of the faithful, is enormous." (http://www.chaf.lib.latrobe.edu.au/census/page0165.htm) Can anybody tell me who these adversaries were? -------------------------------------------- Dr Peter G. Friedlander Open Learning Buddhism/Hindi Co-ordinator Asian Studies La Trobe University, VIC 3086 Australia Tel: (03) 9479 2064 Fax: (03) 9479 1880 From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 26 13:19:22 2001 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (John Brockington) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 01 14:19:22 +0100 Subject: Parmenides and the Chandogya In-Reply-To: <001c01c14043$aa4946c0$d554b59d@dial.elte.hu> Message-ID: <161227069747.23782.17388618503386640596.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> on 18/9/01 2:10 pm, Ferenc Ruzsa wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I am writing an article comparing Parmenides and the sadvidyA (6th chapter, > the dialog between zvetaketu and uddAlaka AruNi) of the chAndogya upaniSad. > Has there been anything important or interesting written on this in the past > half century? > Thank you for any hint, > > Ferenc > -------------------------------------------------------- > Ferenc Ruzsa, PhD > associate professor of philosophy > E?tv?s Lor?nd University, Budapest > e-mail: f_ruzsa at ludens.elte.hu My apologies for a rather late response to this enquiry (I was away at the 2nd Krak?w Conference on Indian Studies till Monday evening). There is a relevant article by Mislav Jezic [z with hacek, c with accent]: "Parmenides and Uddalaka" in Synthesis Philosophica 14.2, 1992, pp. 427-440 (the journal is published by the Croatian Philosophical Society). John Brockington Professor J. L. Brockington Secretary General, International Association of Sanskrit Studies Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies 7 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW U.K. tel: +131 650 4174 fax: +131 651 1258 From f_ruzsa at LUDENS.ELTE.HU Wed Sep 26 14:20:25 2001 From: f_ruzsa at LUDENS.ELTE.HU (Ferenc Ruzsa) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 01 16:20:25 +0200 Subject: Parmenides and the Chandogya Message-ID: <161227069749.23782.5318939935879506092.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear friends, I thank Frits Staal, Lars Martin Fosse and John Brockington their replies to my enquiry. With best wishws, Ferenc From mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 27 09:17:43 2001 From: mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM (Mahes Raj Pant) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 09:17:43 +0000 Subject: agnidaNDa Message-ID: <161227069751.23782.12822709039569317534.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear List members I came across a term, namely agnidaNDa in a royal decree from Nepal dated 1805. This document empowers a Brahmin to have the revenue acquired from the agnidaNDa, which previously was enjoyed by another Brahmin. I wonder what actually means the agnidaNDa in that context. Interestingly, agnidaNDa is attested once in the Arthashasta (II.36.16). Kangle translates the term as ?the fine for (kindling) fire?. I am pretty sure of other occurrences of the same term in various disciplines of Sanskrit and related literature. I hope my learned colleagues can enlighten me in this matter. Mahes Raj Pant Dr Mahes Raj Pant Asien-Afrika-Institut Abteilung fuer Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets Universitaet Hamburg Neue Rabenstrasse 3 D-20354 Hamburg Germany _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU Thu Sep 27 15:01:15 2001 From: jpo at UTS.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (J. Patrick Olivelle) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 10:01:15 -0500 Subject: Teeth of the Rhino In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069753.23782.17996440951285967129.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Friends: Here is a zoological question which I hope one of you may be able to answer. One Indian classification of animals, especially within the dietary context, is between ekatodat [incisor teeth only in the lower jaw: e.g. cow, goat] and ubhayatodat [incisors in both jaws, like humans and horses]. My question is about the Rhinoceros. Does the Indian Rhino have incisors on both jaws on on just the lower? The Dharma texts prohibits the eating of ubhayatodat, but Rhino can be eaten. But Rhino is given as an exception to the prohibition against eating the pancanakha [even though the Rhino has only three nails!!]. Thanks for your help. Patrick -- Patrick Olivelle Chair, Department of Asian Studies University of Texas at Austin From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 27 15:21:12 2001 From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 11:21:12 -0400 Subject: agnidaNDa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069756.23782.159632499872057409.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Dr. Pant We do not have a direct reference to agnidaNDa . But it seems possible that your agnidaNDa might somehow refer to the actions of the priest as in the "shaft of fire" produced by the priest when he places the small wooden offerings into the kundas On the other hand we have found the spellings in Newar and Nepali manuscripts to be frequently a bit off. If it is mis-spelling for agnidana it might be a clear reference to the gifts offered at the service At the Agni math in Agni math tole in Patan, a Brahmin keeps the fires burning and where offerings are made to Vishnu, Brahma and Siva through the fires in the Yajnakundas >From our field notes People come to this shrine to offer a special puja on birthdays. The shrine is said to have a pair of nagas (male and female), that was brought physically from Sankhu and was put in the well, that in inside the temple. The officiating priest must perform his puja with his wife: always is a married priest with wife present. There is a belief that if something happens to one of the nagas, then it is an omen that something will happen to either the priest or his wife, depending on the gender of the snake. Priest is a Newar Brahamin (Joshi), but devotees to the shrine are both Buddhist and Hindu. Annual Festival: Magh Sankranti (1st day of Magh) Informed by the priest and his wife at the site. John C. Huntington >Dear List members > >I came across a term, namely agnidaNDa in a royal decree from Nepal dated >1805. This document empowers a Brahmin to have the revenue acquired from the >agnidaNDa, which previously was enjoyed by another Brahmin. I wonder what >actually means the agnidaNDa in that context. >Interestingly, agnidaNDa is attested once in the Arthashasta (II.36.16). >Kangle translates the term as ?the fine for (kindling) fire?. >I am pretty sure of other occurrences of the same term in various >disciplines of Sanskrit and related literature. I hope my learned >colleagues can enlighten me in this matter. > >Mahes Raj Pant > > >Dr Mahes Raj Pant >Asien-Afrika-Institut >Abteilung fuer Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >Universitaet Hamburg >Neue Rabenstrasse 3 >D-20354 Hamburg >Germany > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From athr at LOC.GOV Thu Sep 27 17:58:59 2001 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 13:58:59 -0400 Subject: Teeth of the Rhino Message-ID: <161227069758.23782.12136228870599576164.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> You may find this in the "dental formulas" at: http://www.skullsunlimited.com/rhinoceros.htm http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/chordata/mammalia/perissodactyla/rhinocerotidae.html Allen Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D. Senior Reference Librarian 101 Independence Ave., SE Southern Asia Section LJ-150 Asian Division Washington, DC 20540-4810 Library of Congress U.S.A. tel. 202-707-3732 fax 202-707-1724 Email: athr at loc.gov The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of the Library of Congress. From athr at LOC.GOV Thu Sep 27 20:47:26 2001 From: athr at LOC.GOV (Allen W Thrasher) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 16:47:26 -0400 Subject: "stalwart" in Indian English Message-ID: <161227069760.23782.14550864990210276316.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Is the term "stalwart" found in Indian newspapers applied to party activists a translation or calque of some word in the vernaculars, or confined to English? Allen Thrasher From huntington.2 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 28 14:29:29 2001 From: huntington.2 at OSU.EDU (John C. Huntington) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 10:29:29 -0400 Subject: Re AgnidaNDa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069769.23782.7741789236832074066.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >Dear Prof, Pant, While I am aware of the your information regarding the priests at the Agnimath, our information on the Brahmin and the Joshi caste came from the priest and his wife directly I will have to suggest that it is the de facto situation at the time of our visit.(September-October 1994) Unless, of course, they being deceptive for some reason-- which we have no evidence of. >I would like to stress that the officiating priests in the agnimaTha in >Patan in Nepal are not Joshi but Raajopaadhyaaya. In common parlance they >are called DyaH Bhajuu. Joshi, you must know, in caste hierarchy of the >Newars are not regarded as Brahmins, and their status is lower than that of >the Raajopaadhyaaya. >In order to make the picture much more clear, let me allow presenting a >translation of the core part of the document: >We hereby grant the agnidaNDa, which has been enjoyed by Dharmaa?ngada >PaNDita to you as long as you live. Take one-seventh of the >income from the praayashcitta in. the form of produce, and enjoy it. Keep on >giving your blessings to us. > > >Mahes Raj Pant > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 28 11:36:07 2001 From: mahesrajpant at HOTMAIL.COM (Mahes Raj Pant) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 11:36:07 +0000 Subject: Re AgnidaNDa Message-ID: <161227069765.23782.1926532111805446985.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Huntington Glad to have your opinion on the vexed problem of agnidaNDa. But I am sorry to tell you that what you think is rather far-fetched. At the first instance you think that it could be a shaft of fire. Most probably you indicate by a shaft of fire a sruc, three types of which, namely juhuu, upabhRt and dhruvaa are employed in Vedic sacrifice. If it were so, the document would have the word suro, the Nepali derivative of Sanskrit sruc, instead of the word nowhere attested in the sense of ladle. I would like to draw your attention to the fact as I indicated in my last mail, the word under inquiry is connected with acquiring revenue and the same word is attested in the Arthashaastra for a special kind of fine. Such being the case, what you propose is out question. Now remains your second alternative to be considered. I completely agree with you what you said about the non-standard spellings to be frequently met with in Newari and Nepali manuscripts. I am happy to inform you that I have read the text from the original document with a royal seal. Needless to point out, royal decrees are more carefully executed, as they deal with legal matter. This is why we cannot think of agnidaNDa as a misspelling for agnidaana. To be specific, there is a minor discrepancy in the document in the spelling of the second component of the compound, where the anusvaara is employed instead of the class nasal. This, as you know, is a common scribal practice and in which even Max M?ller errs. Moreover, I am not aware of the usage of the agnidaana in the sense of gift offered to the services rendered in the agnimaTha. On top that the word itself is not attested, at least in Monier-Williams? dictionary. I would like to stress that the officiating priests in the agnimaTha in Patan in Nepal are not Joshi but Raajopaadhyaaya. In common parlance they are called DyaH Bhajuu. Joshi, you must know, in caste hierarchy of the Newars are not regarded as Brahmins, and their status is lower than that of the Raajopaadhyaaya. In order to make the picture much more clear, let me allow presenting a translation of the core part of the document: We hereby grant the agnidaNDa, which has been enjoyed by Dharmaa?ngada PaNDita to you as long as you live. Take one-seventh of the income from the praayashcitta in. the form of produce, and enjoy it. Keep on giving your blessings to us. Mahes Raj Pant _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jkirk at MICRON.NET Fri Sep 28 21:15:39 2001 From: jkirk at MICRON.NET (jkirk) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 15:15:39 -0600 Subject: Central Asian Linguists Wanted (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069775.23782.5832288351956731033.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> What ever happened to all those graduate students whose PhDs were partly subsidized by the National Defense Foreign Languages Act in the 60s? All retired by now, or gone? When was the NDFL program allowed to lapse? Joanna Kirkpatrick ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominik Wujastyk" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Central Asian Linguists Wanted (fwd) > Hmm. I wondered whether this would happen. Interesting. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP Fri Sep 28 08:23:36 2001 From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 17:23:36 +0900 Subject: Teeth of the Rhino In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069762.23782.315518828342215675.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Olivelle, jpo> humans and horses]. My question is about the Rhinoceros. Does the jpo> Indian Rhino have incisors on both jaws on on just the lower? The jpo> Dharma texts prohibits the eating of ubhayatodat, but Rhino can be I had the same question. S.H.Prater says on p.232 in his The Book of Indian Animals: ``It (the Asiatic Twohorned Rhinoceros: Didermocerus sumatrensis) is further distinguished by having a single pair of lower front teeth instead of two pairs as in the Great Indian Onehorned (Hindi gainda, gargadan, Mar. genda) and the Javan Rhinoceroses (Hindi gainda, Mar. genda).'' [Acc. to Turner, gaNDa4 `rhinoceros', is prob. of the same non-Aryan origin as khaDga1 'rhinoceros'.] His words ``at the present time its survival in India is doubtful'' indicate his thought that it once lived in India. But he gives only the Burmese name kyan, kyan-shaw for this rhinoceros. jpo> eaten. But Rhino is given as an exception to the prohibition against jpo> eating the pancanakha [even though the Rhino has only three nails!!]. This remains a question. Prater says on p.226, just as you wrote, ``A tapir has four and a rhinoceros three toes on each forefoot. Both have only three on the hind.'' I have no idea. Just my note, not much answer. Muneo Tokunaga, Kyoto From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Fri Sep 28 16:42:34 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 17:42:34 +0100 Subject: Central Asian Linguists Wanted (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069773.23782.13145282573802215180.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hmm. I wondered whether this would happen. 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(813) 960-5075 voice (207) 392-1404 fax From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP Fri Sep 28 12:07:47 2001 From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 21:07:47 +0900 Subject: Teeth of the Rhino In-Reply-To: <200109280819.IAA07721@muse.bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <161227069767.23782.17339731959647481786.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> mtokunag> ``It (the Asiatic Twohorned Rhinoceros: Didermocerus sumatrensis) is mtokunag> further distinguished by having a single pair of lower front teeth mtokunag> instead of two pairs as in the Great Indian Onehorned (Hindi gainda, I found Dr. Thrasher's mail afterwards. skullsunlimited.com/Rhinoceros.htm, an interesting webpage pointed out by him, shows a picture of Sumatran Rhinoceros (Dicerorhinus sumatrensis)' skull apparently with teeth on both jaws. (I cannot read the dental formula.) Perhaps I misunderstood the words `single pair' and `two pairs' in Prater's description above. For me, the question posed by Prof. Olivelle still remains. Tokunaga From mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP Fri Sep 28 15:27:50 2001 From: mtokunag at BUN.KYOTO-U.AC.JP (Muneo TOKUNAGA) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 01 00:27:50 +0900 Subject: Teeth of the Rhino In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069771.23782.12741135903936230419.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> jpo> dietary context, is between ekatodat [incisor teeth only in the lower jpo> jaw: e.g. cow, goat] and ubhayatodat [incisors in both jaws, like Let me allow to send one more mail on `ekatodat', i.e `Incisor Teeth on the lower jaw' (another ignorance of mine). I am asking a zoologist here for the one which may account for the rule in the Dharma text (unless Prof. Olivelle has already solved the question.) Tokunaga