From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Thu Jul 12 09:51:16 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 01 10:51:16 +0100 Subject: The list is now open again Message-ID: <161227069430.23782.5155425859591887797.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> In April this year, 2001, the INDOLOGY list was closed down for the reasons discussed in my message of 15 April, at http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0104&L=indology&P=R9578&D=1&F=P&O=D After a period of reflection and consolidation, and with a tremendous amount of help and support from colleagues who have formed a new committee to guide INDOLOGY in the future, a decision has been made to reopen the list. In future, INDOLOGY will be run on rather different lines than formerly. The main points are: 1/ Membership will be closed to the public. To join the list, you will need to make an application to the INDOLOGY committee, with supporting evidence of your scholarly credentials in classical Indian studies. 2/ The archive of messages will be open to all, so anyone can read the discussion if they wish. There are some subsidiary issues, and the committee will adjust the working of the group in response to our experiences as we go along. These innovations are designed to achieve a few important goals. First, the establishment of the committee broadens out the responsibility for the list in an important way. The running of the list is now subject to the consensus of a qualified group, not the foibles of an individual :-) Second, the requirement that list participants should be qualified professional scholars of classical India is designed to help the INDOLOGY conversation avoid the excesses which contributed to its closing in April. These changes to the INDOLOGY are a return to its roots, and its original purpose as a forum for people engaged in the professional study of pre-modern South Asian history and culture. With best wishes for a fruitful discussion, -- Dominik Wujastyk, London and The INDOLOGY Committee: Madhav Deshpande, Michigan Birgit Kellner, Vienna Christian Wedemeyer, Copenhagen Gary Tubb, New York Harunaga Isaacson, Hamburg John Brockington, Edinburgh Jan Houben, Leiden Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Thu Jul 12 10:03:56 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 01 11:03:56 +0100 Subject: Constitution and Rules of this List Message-ID: <161227069432.23782.9984035486236933748.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The Scope and Guidelines of the INDOLOGY list 11 July 2001 (I) Definitions: INDOLOGY is an internet discussion group whose primary purpose is to provide a forum for discussion among professional scholars of classical Indian civilization. The central focus of the list is the history and culture of ancient and classical India, from a variety of disciplinary perspectives, including (but not limited to) anthropology, archaeology, art history, folklore, history, linguistics, literature and literary criticism, medicine, musicology, numismatics, philology, philosophy, political science, psychology, religion, science, and sociology. (II) In this context, "India" refers to the greater Indian cultural region, including primarily the regions of modern political India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma and Nepal and secondarily culturally- and/or linguistically-related areas, such as Tibet, Bhutan, Central Asia, Indonesia, and Cambodia. The predominant focus of discussion is intended to be cultural aspects of ancient and classical India. Discussion relating to developments in India after roughly A.D. 1800, while not absolutely prohibited, are discouraged. Such topics are only to be tolerated insofar as they pertain specifically to advancing research on ancient and classical India. (III) Membership: INDOLOGY was created to serve as a medium of communication between accredited scholars of India who are engaged in teaching and research at colleges, universities, and research institutes. Full Membership with posting privileges is therefore restricted to those holding advanced degrees (M.A., Ph.D., or equivalent), or who are currently enrolled in an advanced degree program, who either specialize in, or do a significant portion of their work in classical Indian Studies. Special exceptions to the advanced degree requirement are occasionally made in cases where applicants have significant *scholarly* publication records in Indology. Affiliation with an academic institution is strongly preferred, even though individuals who are not formally affiliated with a university or a similar organization may join provided that their scholarly commitment can be made plausible to the list-committee through their CV. (IV) Non-members: Non-members will be free to read the discussions in the archive and - technology permitting - to receive daily digests by email. But they will not be allowed to post messages to the group. 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From C.Wooff at LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Sat Jul 14 19:36:58 2001 From: C.Wooff at LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Chris Wooff) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 01 20:36:58 +0100 Subject: test message Message-ID: <161227069434.23782.7716033498410202645.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> If you receive this please acknowledge by replying to C.Wooff at liverpool.ac.uk __________________________________________ Chris Wooff mailto:C.Wooff at liverpool.ac.uk Sent with Mulberry 2.1.0b2 From Isaacson at UNI-HAMBURG.DE Sat Jul 14 20:12:17 2001 From: Isaacson at UNI-HAMBURG.DE (Harunaga Isaacson) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 01 22:12:17 +0200 Subject: Test Message-ID: <161227069437.23782.15932335133618148253.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> At Chris Wooff's request---a test posting. Harunaga Isaacson From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Jul 16 12:47:03 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 01 13:47:03 +0100 Subject: test message In-Reply-To: <514920980.995143018@cdwisdn.liv.ac.uk> Message-ID: <161227069439.23782.16035721134784432204.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Got this on Saturday. Sorry for the late response. On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Chris Wooff wrote: > If you receive this please acknowledge by replying to > C.Wooff at liverpool.ac.uk > > > > __________________________________________ > Chris Wooff mailto:C.Wooff at liverpool.ac.uk > Sent with Mulberry 2.1.0b2 > -- Dominik Wujastyk Founder, INDOLOGY list. From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Jul 16 12:47:29 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 01 13:47:29 +0100 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <3B50A7A1.545E069B@uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: <161227069441.23782.11281324968657225461.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I did get this after all. Very sorry! On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Harunaga Isaacson wrote: > At Chris Wooff's request---a test posting. > > Harunaga Isaacson > -- Dominik Wujastyk Founder, INDOLOGY list. From J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 17 08:10:27 2001 From: J.L.Brockington at ED.AC.UK (John Brockington) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 01 09:10:27 +0100 Subject: test message In-Reply-To: <514920980.995143018@cdwisdn.liv.ac.uk> Message-ID: <161227069443.23782.14982020629795198831.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> on 14/7/01 8:36 pm, Chris Wooff wrote: > If you receive this please acknowledge by replying to > C.Wooff at liverpool.ac.uk > > > > __________________________________________ > Chris Wooff mailto:C.Wooff at liverpool.ac.uk > Sent with Mulberry 2.1.0b2 > Duly receive. Apologies for the delay in replying (I was not in my office yesterday) John Professor J. L. Brockington Sanskrit, School of Asian Studies 7 Buccleuch Place Edinburgh EH8 9LW U.K. tel: +131 650 4174 fax: +131 651 1258 From mmdesh at UMICH.EDU Mon Jul 23 20:28:06 2001 From: mmdesh at UMICH.EDU (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 01 16:28:06 -0400 Subject: Material difficult to obtain In-Reply-To: <01C113B8.798A46E0.lmfosse@online.no> Message-ID: <161227069447.23782.13898513551947308506.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hello Lars, I will mail to you a copy of my article. Best, Madhav --On Monday, July 23, 2001 8:41 PM +0200 Lars Martin Fosse wrote: > Dear members of the list, > > I would be very grateful if any of you could help me obtain copies of the > papers mentioned below, which are not available at the university library > in Oslo: > > Aklujkar, Ashok, 1978 "The concluding verses of Bhartrhari's Vakyapadiya". > Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute 58-59 (=Diamond > Jubilee Volume): 9-26 > > Aklujkar, Ashok, 1980-81 "Interpreting Vakyapadiya 2.486 historically > (part 1). Adyar Library Bulletin 44-5 (= Dr. K. Kunjunni Raja Felicitation > Volume): 581-601. > > Deshpande, Madhav "Paninian Syntax of Sanskrit Gerund Constructions: An > Alternative View" in Ludo Rocher Felicitation Volume, Adyar Library > Bulletin (year=??) > > Best regards > > Lars Martin Fosse > > > Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse > Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, > 0674 Oslo > Norway > Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 > Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 > Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 > Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) > Email: lmfosse at online.no From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Mon Jul 23 18:41:49 2001 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 01 20:41:49 +0200 Subject: Material difficult to obtain Message-ID: <161227069446.23782.588680127760989963.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear members of the list, I would be very grateful if any of you could help me obtain copies of the papers mentioned below, which are not available at the university library in Oslo: Aklujkar, Ashok, 1978 "The concluding verses of Bhartrhari's Vakyapadiya". Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute 58-59 (=Diamond Jubilee Volume): 9-26 Aklujkar, Ashok, 1980-81 "Interpreting Vakyapadiya 2.486 historically (part 1). Adyar Library Bulletin 44-5 (= Dr. K. Kunjunni Raja Felicitation Volume): 581-601. Deshpande, Madhav "Paninian Syntax of Sanskrit Gerund Constructions: An Alternative View" in Ludo Rocher Felicitation Volume, Adyar Library Bulletin (year=??) Best regards Lars Martin Fosse Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) Email: lmfosse at online.no From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Mon Jul 23 21:23:05 2001 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 01 23:23:05 +0200 Subject: SV: Material difficult to obtain Message-ID: <161227069449.23782.1769280604741497130.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Madhav Deshpande [SMTP:mmdesh at UMICH.EDU] skrev 23. juli 2001 22:28: > Hello Lars, > > I will mail to you a copy of my article. Best, Thank you, Madhav! I'll be looking forward to reading it. Lars Martin Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) Email: lmfosse at online.no From axel.michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Wed Jul 25 15:20:08 2001 From: axel.michaels at URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Axel Michaels) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 01 17:20:08 +0200 Subject: Postponement of the 17th ECMSAS Message-ID: <161227069452.23782.15240241310088434504.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, As some of you have already learned, it has become necessary to postpone the 17th European Conference on Modern South Asian Studies (ECMSAS) until September 2002. During the final stages of preparing for the Conference, we learned that the original date clushed not only with the World Chemistry Congress (approx. 1.500 participants!), but also with the Formula One Race at Hockenheim, two events that will ensure that not a single bed will be available in and around Heidelberg in the last week of July 2002. We have therefore decided to hold the Conference between 9-14 September 2002, these dates being definite and final. I am very much aware that all of you have tight and busy schedules, and that such a postponement may cause you considerable inconvenience. This I deeply regret, but under the circumstances, there was no other reasonable alternative. I ask for your understanding in the matter, and particularly of those who have undertaken to organise sessions. To all of you I express the hope of seeing you at a successful gathering in Heidelberg in the early autumn of next year. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, Axel Michaels Executive Director From Johannes.Bronkhorst at ORIENT.UNIL.CH Fri Jul 27 06:52:40 2001 From: Johannes.Bronkhorst at ORIENT.UNIL.CH (Johannes Bronkhorst) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 01 08:52:40 +0200 Subject: looking for addresses Message-ID: <161227069454.23782.8517145668655991147.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am looking for the addresses and/or e-mail addresses of the following Vedanta scholars: Christian Bouy, Michael Comans, Natalia Isayeva, Govind Chandra Pande. Can someone help? Thanks in advance, Johannes Bronkhorst Johannes.Bronkhorst at orient.unil.ch From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU Fri Jul 27 13:19:56 2001 From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 01 09:19:56 -0400 Subject: looking for e-texts on Vedaanta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069460.23782.14228174715380222997.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > Dear colleagues, > > I am preparing a critical edition of Vaacaspatimisras Tattvasamik.saa > based on a single Nepalese Palm-leaf manuscript. I am looking for e-texts > and translations of Vaacaspatis texts. > I would also be glad to come in touch of scholars working on Vedaanta > specially on Vaacaspati. > > Thanks in advance, > Diwakar Acharya I did a keyword search on "vedanta" in The International Directory of South Asia Scholars and found many people you might get in touch with, with full contact details and descriptions of their work. To do this search, go on the web to the Directory at: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/southasia/cuvl/directory.html and just type vedanta into the SEARCH IDSAS box. Best, David Magier South Asia Librarian Columbia University and Editor of SARAI http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/southasia/cuvl From richard.gombrich at BALLIOL.OXFORD.AC.UK Fri Jul 27 09:21:04 2001 From: richard.gombrich at BALLIOL.OXFORD.AC.UK (Richard Gombrich) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 01 10:21:04 +0100 Subject: looking for addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069456.23782.13815949608998352217.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Johannes, Natalya Isayeva is still based in Moscow but she is about to come to London for ten months (arriving 10 August). Her address in London: Flat 3, 105 Stapleton Hall Road, London N4 4 RH. email in London: n.isaeva at virgin.net She is a close friend of mine and can probably always be reached via me. Yours, Richard From acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 27 11:43:17 2001 From: acharyadiwakar at HOTMAIL.COM (diwakar acharya) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 01 17:28:17 +0545 Subject: looking for e-texts on Vedaanta Message-ID: <161227069458.23782.3492405510931727384.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, I am preparing a critical edition of Vaacaspatimi?sra?s Tattvasamik.saa based on a single Nepalese Palm-leaf manuscript. I am looking for e-texts and translations of Vaacaspati?s texts. I would also be glad to come in touch of scholars working on Vedaanta specially on Vaacaspati. Thanks in advance, Diwakar Acharya Balmiki Campus Exhibition Road Kathmandu Nepal Present address: Institut f?r Kulture und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets Universit?t Hamburg Neue Rabenstra?e 3 20354 Hamburg >From: Johannes Bronkhorst >Reply-To: Indology >To: INDOLOGY at LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK >Subject: looking for addresses >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:52:40 +0200 > >I am looking for the addresses and/or e-mail addresses of the following >Vedanta scholars: Christian Bouy, Michael Comans, Natalia Isayeva, Govind >Chandra Pande. Can someone help? Thanks in advance, > >Johannes Bronkhorst >Johannes.Bronkhorst at orient.unil.ch _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Fri Jul 27 16:39:20 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 01 17:39:20 +0100 Subject: More utilities (fwd) Message-ID: <161227069462.23782.18386304643176088873.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:30:13 +0100 (BST) From: John Smith To: Dominik Wujastyk Cc: John Smith Subject: More utilities Dear Dominik, Could I ask you to put the following up on Indology? Thanks. ------------ I have placed two new programs on my website: pc2mac and mac2pc. These are utility programs to allow people to transfer Word documents using "private" character encodings such as Norman or CSX+ between PCs and Macintoshes. At present such documents are garbled in the transfer, as Word assumes that each file is in the native encoding of the source machine, and translates it to the native encoding of the destination machine. The programs, and a README file explaining how to use them, can be found by connecting to http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk and then following the links "programs" => "pc2mac". John Smith -- Dr J. D. Smith * jds10 at cam.ac.uk Faculty of Oriental Studies * http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk Sidgwick Avenue * Tel. 01223 335140 Cambridge CB3 9DA * Fax 01223 335110 From chlodwig.h.werba at UNIVIE.AC.AT Fri Jul 27 18:00:36 2001 From: chlodwig.h.werba at UNIVIE.AC.AT (srutavega) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 01 20:00:36 +0200 Subject: AW: looking for addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069464.23782.7060991279230971392.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK]Im Auftrag von > Johannes Bronkhorst > Gesendet am: Freitag, 27. Juli 2001 8.53 > An: INDOLOGY at LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK > Betreff: looking for addresses > > I am looking for the addresses and/or e-mail addresses of the following > Vedanta scholars: Christian Bouy, Michael Comans, Natalia Isayeva, Govind > Chandra Pande. Can someone help? Thanks in advance, > > Johannes Bronkhorst > Johannes.Bronkhorst at orient.unil.ch > Dear colleague, One of the addresses You are looking for is the following: Dr. Christian Bouy 12, Sqare Desaix F - 75015 Paris Hoping that this will be of some help to You, I remain Yours sincerely Shrutavega. From sogbs at CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU Sat Jul 28 04:00:54 2001 From: sogbs at CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU (Geoffrey Samuel) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 01 14:00:54 +1000 Subject: looking for addresses Message-ID: <161227069467.23782.9917059714719202544.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Michael Comans was living in Sydney a couple of years ago and as far as I know is still in Australia. I don't have an address or e-mail but his telephone number was (02) 9331 1994. -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Geoffrey Samuel and Santi Rozario, Department of Sociology & Anthropology, University of Newcastle, NSW 2308, AUSTRALIA phone (home) (02) 4957 0244, (work, Geoffrey) 4921 5698 (work, Santi) 4921 6790 fax +61-2-49216902 email (Geoffrey) sogbs at alinga.newcastle.edu.au (Santi) sostr at alinga.newcastle.edu.au WWW (Geoffrey) www.newcastle.edu.au/department/so/samuel.htm WWW (Santi) www.newcastle.edu.au/department/so/rozario.htm * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From Slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jul 28 12:43:14 2001 From: Slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 01 14:43:14 +0200 Subject: email of Sheldon Pollock Message-ID: <161227069470.23782.10757399451655730022.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, I need to get in touch with Sheldon Pollock who has just published a fascinating `must? for Sanskritists ("The Death of Sanskrit"). Could someone help me with his email address? Best regards, Walter Slaje ---------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-Loens-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) Tel/Fax: (+49)03643-501391 (office: (+49)0345-55-23650) e-mail: slaje at t-online.de (office: slaje at indologie.uni-halle.de) From magier at COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Jul 28 19:22:18 2001 From: magier at COLUMBIA.EDU (David Magier) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 01 15:22:18 -0400 Subject: email of Sheldon Pollock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069474.23782.18427726900243097824.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > Dear Colleagues, > > I need to get in touch with Sheldon Pollock who has just published a fascinating > `must4 for Sanskritists ("The Death of Sanskrit"). Could someone help me with > his email address? > > > Best regards, > > Walter Slaje > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje > Hermann-Loens-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) > Tel/Fax: (+49)03643-501391 (office: (+49)0345-55-23650) > e-mail: slaje at t-online.de (office: slaje at indologie.uni-halle.de) > Pollock's email address is: s-pollock at uchicago.edu He is listed in The International Directory of South Asia Scholars, which is at: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/southasia/cuvl/directory.html David Magier From Slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jul 28 16:46:53 2001 From: Slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 01 18:46:53 +0200 Subject: Death of Sanskrit Message-ID: <161227069472.23782.3254572130998363791.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, many thanks for your help. I have been ask for the bibliographic citation of Pollock?s paper. Here it is: The Death of Sanskrit. In: Comparative Studies in Society and History. An International Quarterly. 43,2 (April 2001): 392-426. Best regards, Walter Slaje --------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-Loens-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) Tel/Fax: (+49)03643-501391 (office: (+49)0345-55-23650) e-mail: slaje at t-online.de (office: slaje at indologie.uni-halle.de) From j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM Sun Jul 29 10:18:50 2001 From: j_e_m_houben at YAHOO.COM (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 01 03:18:50 -0700 Subject: new book on tamil cankam and sanskrit kaavya Message-ID: <161227069477.23782.9188315989144609368.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Did Tamil Cankam poetry describe a contemporary society, or an idealized pure Tamil society of the past, as it was imagined in a time already greatly influenced by North-Indian Sanskrit culture ... ? The following recent publication is perhaps of interest to readers of this list because of the challenging thesis on the relative chronology of early Tamil poetry and Sanskrit Kaavya defended in it. Title: Kaavya in South India: Old Tamil Cankam Poetry. Author: Herman Tieken Publ.: Groningen: Egbert Forsten, 2001 >?From the back cover: "Old Tamil Cankam poetry consists of eight anthologies of short poems on love and war, and a treatise on grammar and poetics. The main part of this corpus has generally been dated to the first centuries AD and is believed to be the product of a native Tamil culture. The present study argues that the poems do not describe a contemporary society but a society from the past or one not yet affected by North-Indian Sanskrit culture. Consequently the main argument for the current early dating of Cankam poetry is no longer valid. Furthermore, on the basis of a study of the historical setting of the heroic poems and of the role of Tamil as a literary language in the Cankam corpus, it is argued that the poetic tradition was developed by the PaaNTiyas in the ninth or tenth century. ... ... the identification of the various genres of Cankam poetry with literary types from the Sanskrit Kaavya tradition ... indicates that in Cankam poetry Tamil has been specifically assigned the role of a Praakrit. ... " Jan E.M. Houben Kern Institute P.O. Box 9515 NL-2300 RA Leiden J.E.M.Houben at let.leidenuniv.nl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Slaje at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Jul 29 13:22:36 2001 From: Slaje at T-ONLINE.DE (Walter Slaje) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 01 15:22:36 +0200 Subject: new book on tamil cankam and sanskrit kaavya Message-ID: <161227069479.23782.13170891335047142991.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Thank you for the announcement, Jan, for it provides the welcome opportunity to ask in my capacity as the Indological editor of the ZDMG if one of the specialists in this field would like to deal with Tieken?s challenging theses in the form of a review (for the ZDMG)? Many thanks and best regards, Walter Slaje ---------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-Loens-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) Tel/Fax: (+49)03643-501391 (office: (+49)0345-55-23650) e-mail: slaje at t-online.de (office: slaje at indologie.uni-halle.de) From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 11:11:37 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 01 12:11:37 +0100 Subject: Death of Sanskrit In-Reply-To: <15QXEr-1N7Ba4C@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <161227069482.23782.18198026911142149705.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Walter, I've just discovered that the full text of Pollock's paper can be downloaded from the Cambridge UP website, http://www.journals.cambridge.org/ Put "sheldon pollock" in the search box, and then you get a link to the full text as a PDF. Best, Dominik On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Walter Slaje wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > many thanks for your help. I have been ask for the bibliographic citation of > Pollock?s paper. Here it is: > > The Death of Sanskrit. In: Comparative Studies in Society and History. An > International Quarterly. 43,2 (April 2001): 392-426. > > > Best regards, > > Walter Slaje > > > > --------------------------------------------- > Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje > Hermann-Loens-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) > Tel/Fax: (+49)03643-501391 (office: (+49)0345-55-23650) > e-mail: slaje at t-online.de (office: slaje at indologie.uni-halle.de) > -- Dominik Wujastyk Founder, INDOLOGY list. From s-pollock at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Jul 30 20:15:36 2001 From: s-pollock at UCHICAGO.EDU (Sheldon Pollock) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 01 15:15:36 -0500 Subject: Death of Sanskrit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069490.23782.5688481990615759467.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Colleagues, I'll be happy to send you offprints. Just drop a note to my assistant, "xi jh" , Xi He (please use both addresses), along with your mailing address, and she'll send it right out. Thank you for your interest in this essay. Sheldon Pollock From ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 16:57:11 2001 From: ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 01 17:57:11 +0100 Subject: Death of Sanskrit In-Reply-To: <002201c1190d$445a6a90$2930cece@JKIRK> Message-ID: <161227069487.23782.17433068773154866144.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Oh, I see. Yes, I've just checked by using a dialup line. My work PC is on the Wellcome Library network, and I guess there's a silent IP authentication going on in the background. We must have paid a licese fee somewhere along the line, and are at a subscription level that permits full-text access. Sorry everyone! Dominik On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, jkirk wrote: > Dear Dominik > > I went to that page but when I typed in Pollock's name I only got a link to > either an abstract or a shopping cart--not a full pdf document--what did I > miss? > > Joanna > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dominik Wujastyk" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: Death of Sanskrit > > > Dear Walter, > > I've just discovered that the full text of Pollock's paper can be > downloaded from the Cambridge UP website, > http://www.journals.cambridge.org/ > > Put "sheldon pollock" in the search box, and then you get a link to the > full text as a PDF. > > Best, > Dominik > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Walter Slaje wrote: > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > many thanks for your help. I have been ask for the bibliographic citation > of > > Pollock?s paper. Here it is: > > > > The Death of Sanskrit. In: Comparative Studies in Society and History. An > > International Quarterly. 43,2 (April 2001): 392-426. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Walter Slaje > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje > > Hermann-Loens-Str. 1, D-99425 Weimar (Germany) > > Tel/Fax: (+49)03643-501391 (office: (+49)0345-55-23650) > > e-mail: slaje at t-online.de (office: slaje at indologie.uni-halle.de) > > > > -- > Dominik Wujastyk > Founder, INDOLOGY list. > > > > From lmfosse at ONLINE.NO Mon Jul 30 16:48:53 2001 From: lmfosse at ONLINE.NO (Lars Martin Fosse) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 01 18:48:53 +0200 Subject: SV: Death of Sanskrit Message-ID: <161227069485.23782.5700715669136649135.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dominik Wujastyk [SMTP:ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK] skrev 30. juli 2001 13:12: > I've just discovered that the full text of Pollock's paper can be > downloaded from the Cambridge UP website, > http://www.journals.cambridge.org/ Dominik, I just tried to download the paper from the web address stated above. However, as far as I can see, I have to pay ?8.00 to be able to view the paper for 48 hours. Which does not make much sense. If I pay for it, I want to have it for keeps! Am I missing something here? Lars Martin Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) Email: lmfosse at online.no From Johannes.Bronkhorst at ORIENT.UNIL.CH Tue Jul 31 06:20:43 2001 From: Johannes.Bronkhorst at ORIENT.UNIL.CH (Johannes Bronkhorst) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 08:20:43 +0200 Subject: AW: looking for addresses In-Reply-To: <001b01c116c6$09e19940$82b68283@werbac1.indo.univie.ac.at> Message-ID: <161227069493.23782.12346879318463424661.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK]Im Auftrag von >> Johannes Bronkhorst >> Gesendet am: Freitag, 27. Juli 2001 8.53 >> An: INDOLOGY at LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK >> Betreff: looking for addresses >> >> I am looking for the addresses and/or e-mail addresses of the following >> Vedanta scholars: Christian Bouy, Michael Comans, Natalia Isayeva, Govind >> Chandra Pande. Can someone help? Thanks in advance, >> >> Johannes Bronkhorst >> Johannes.Bronkhorst at orient.unil.ch >> > > >Dear colleague, >One of the addresses You are looking for is the following: >Dr. Christian Bouy >12, Sqare Desaix >F - 75015 Paris >Hoping that this will be of some help to You, I remain >Yours sincerely >Shrutavega. Thank you so much. This is very useful. J.B. From Johannes.Bronkhorst at ORIENT.UNIL.CH Tue Jul 31 06:23:27 2001 From: Johannes.Bronkhorst at ORIENT.UNIL.CH (Johannes Bronkhorst) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 08:23:27 +0200 Subject: looking for addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161227069496.23782.7351621618811616665.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> >Michael Comans was living in Sydney a couple of years ago and as far >as I know is still in Australia. I don't have an address or e-mail >but his telephone number was (02) 9331 1994. >-- Thank you very much. J.B. From yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU Tue Jul 31 14:40:36 2001 From: yavass at YV1041.SPB.EDU (Yaroslav Vassilkov) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 17:40:36 +0300 Subject: "BMAC writing" Message-ID: <161227069498.23782.7636331876529461723.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear colleagues, I think it was on the old, unreformed Indology list that I read (probably in selections) the article by John Noble Wilford "In Ruin, Symbols on a Stone Hint on a Lost Asian Culture" (New York Times, May 13, 2001). As you remember, it was told there about the discovery made by Dr.Fredrik T.Hiebert at the site of Annau in Turkmenia - "a small stone object engraved with four or five red-colored symbols or letters that apparently bear no resemblance to any other writing system of the time". J.N.Wilford quotes Dr. Hiebert saying in connection with it: "You can say we have discovered a new ancient civilization". From the rest of the article one can understand that this "new" civilization is, in fact, nothing but very well known BMAC. "C" in "BMAC" means not "Civilization" but "complex" ("Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex"). So Dr. Hiebert's message was probably that the discovery of this inscription gave us grounds to raise BMAC up from the modest level of an "archaeological complex" to the high level of a "civilization". But before we agree with such a revolutionary conclusion we must be sure that the inscription in question really represents a previously unknown system of writing and that this system of writing was invented and used by BMAC people. Now, after I managed to have a look at the photo of the "stone object" in "Expedition" 42/3, p. 48, I have some doubts that we can really make such an assertion. The stone object is in fact a seal which has nothing in common with BMAC seals (see now the complete corpus of them published by Victor Sarianidi: "Myths of Ancient Bactria and Margiana on its seals and amulets", Moscow: Pentagraphic, Ltd., 1998). It is a typical Indus "square seal with a perforated boss at the back" (Parpola's description), though the material - "shiny black jet stone" is unique or very rare, the majority of Indus seals are made of stone, but of different kind: steatite (while the majority of BMAC seals are metallic). It is difficult to judge about the inscription, of which the photo gives only a side view, but out of the three signs (I think there are only 3 signs on the seal, not 4) two, which are seen better, look like Harappan. One is surely identical with the Indus "drum" sign (Parpola, No. 224), another may be a variant of the Indus "double comb" sign (Parpola, No. 95), with "combs" turned into opposite directions for a decorative purpose. (I use the Sign list in: K.Koskenniemi, A.Parpola. Corpus of Texts in the Indus Script. Helsinki, 1979, p. [19]-[20]). In his note ("Unique Bronze Age Stamp Seal Found in Central Asia", Expedition 42/3) Dr. Hiebert says: "This object has parallels only at the Central Asian site of Altyn depe". What is meant is probably a typically Indus seal with an inscription found at Altyn depe by Professor V.M.Masson (published in: V.M.Masson. Altyn-Depe. Translated by Henry N.Michael. Philadelphia, 1988 [University Museum Monographs. Univ. of Pennsylvania: 55). So, maybe the mysterious stone object is just one more imported Indus seal in the BMAC context? In any case, before including the news about a "new civilization" into children's schoolbooks we should better check all the possibilities. At the moment we can only wait for Dr. Hiebert to publish a better view of the seal and details of its archaeological context. What exactly does he mean mentioning that in the same building the excavators found "pieces of clay used to seal vessels or parcels"? Were there any sealings found? With any signs or images? What in particular gives ground to suggest that seals similar to this one were used by BMAC people "in the administrative system of the economy"? It would be very interesting to hear also the opinions of the specialists in the study of the Indus writing system. Is, for example, Asko Parpola here on the list? If so, I gladly use this opportunity to congratulate him personally with his recent jubilee. Best wishes to all, Ya.V. --- Yaroslav Vassilkov (yavass at YV1041.spb.edu) Institute of Oriental Studies Tue, 31 Jul 101 15:11 +0300 MSK From kharimot at SAS.UPENN.EDU Tue Jul 31 21:46:13 2001 From: kharimot at SAS.UPENN.EDU (Kengo Harimoto) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 23:46:13 +0200 Subject: "BMAC writing" In-Reply-To: <2001Jul31.174037@YV1041.spb.edu> Message-ID: <161227069500.23782.7805757592666018681.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> How timely! I just read today an article at the NY Times site about this seal: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/31/science/social/31SEAL.html It at least gives everyone a clear picture of the inscription on the object.