Sarasvati (texts & arch.II)
witzel at FAS.HARVARD.EDU
Thu May 28 11:44:37 UTC 1998
On Wed, 27 May 1998, Paul K. Manansala wrote:
> However, even in the RV Vasistha's culture does not seem particularly
IE ???? Long ago, RV = IA language & culture ...
V's poetry is in typical IA < IIr < IE style, and so is his
> The RV (II 5-3-7) states that the priests of the Saudasas were
> Angirasas, and Vasistha was the priest of Sudas.
Fine, but not all RV poets/priests are Aangirasa, e.g. the Kanva-s. And V.
> > Or do you also doubt that the Epics/Puranas are *late* texts compared to
> > the Vedas? --- (Love to see the proof!)
> Well, according to tradition, Krishna Dvaipayana compiled both at the
> same time. Also, the Puranas are at least attempts at historical
> writing. One can't say the same thing about the Vedas.
According to J-Chr. tradition the world is just 6000 years old. And the
Bible is at least an attempt etc. etc.
About the Vedas: their AIM is different but they contain, must I repeat,
CONTEMPORARY data of politics & society.
> > > But the Avesta is in neighboring Iran several centuries after the
> > > proposed "invasion". If the Avestan language is younger, then using
> > > the standard presumption we should suggest a migration from east to
> > > west.
> > How do you know that? Standard presumption?
> The practice used in most other cases. Why make exceptions here?
J. Joyce (Ireland) is younger than Shakespeare (England). Therefore J.'s
ancestors have invaded/immigrated from S. England??? Don't think so.
> > On reading any Avesta
> > section in the original you would see that it does not contain anything
> > (linguistically) that could have come out of India. No Indian words, no
> > Indian ideas, no Harappan items etc.
> I would strongly disagree with this statement, but the argument
> against it could get long and complicated.
Love to hear it. ANY Indian words, of Dravidian, Munda, nay even
Burushaski origin in Avesta ???? If not, silence is appropriate.
> > > > That has changed wit the finds in Bactria-Margiana and Baluchistan.
> > > > Now their is a *trail*, see Hiebert in Erdosy, Indo_Aryans
> > > Highly questionable. We have to question the "Aryan" identification
> > "Highly questionable" does not do it. ....
> > Dadhyanc will raise its ugly horse head again...
> Wrong. The onus is on you to prove IE identification. Since we are
> talking mainly about language, I would love to hear of something more
> than a horse burial which was very common among *non-IE* peoples.
Just don't get it. Dadhyanc is a RV myth, not a *non-IE* horse burial.
That's why I chose him, not any old horse burial. Unfortunately he can't
*speak* to us.
Michael Witzel witzel at fas.harvard.edu
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