Paul K. Manansala kabalen at MAIL.JPS.NET
Sun May 10 21:01:06 UTC 1998

   Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv at WXS.NL>

> "Paul K. Manansala" <kabalen at MAIL.JPS.NET> wrote:
> >The earliest domesticated horses associated with human remains do not
> >suggest Indo-Europeans.  The people were much more like the Altaic
> >peoples who inhabit the Steppe.  However, according to the logic used
> >in this thread horses in China and Japan translates to IE migrations
> >to these regions.  Obviously there is no evidence that this is the
> >case.
> "Altaic peoples" in the Ukraine 4000-3500 BC?  Impossible.
> The first signs of r-Turkic tribes (Huns, Xiongnu) moving into the
> Eastern steppe are from the last centuries BC.  Before that, there is
> abundant and overwhelming evidence (e.g. written records in
> Khwarezmian, Sogdian, Saka (Khotanese), Scytho-Sarmatian and
> Bactrian, borrowings into Finno-Ugrian and Slavic lgs., etc.) that
> the steppe (both Eastern and Western) was inhabited by Iranian
> peoples.

You are quite incorrect.  First of all, I was referring primarily to
anthropological remains. Many of the early steppe people were biologically
similar to modern and ancient Altaic speaking peoples but not to modern or
ancient Iranians.

The fragmentary evidence of Iranian writings in the steppe mean
nothing.  No more than early fragmentary Arabic writings in Indonesia or
China.  There is  evidence of Altaic archaeological culture
in the steppe and also linguistic evidence in local languages.

Paul Kekai Manansala

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