From D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 16:47:58 1993 From: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:47:58 +0000 Subject: Job advertisement Message-ID: <161227015576.23782.10783613532620819100.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> University of Oxford Readership in Modern South Asian History The electors indent to proceed to an election to the Readership in Modern South Asian History, with effect from 1 Oct. 1993 or such later date as may be arranged. The stipend of the reader will be on the scale which is at present #25,969 to #29,348 per annum. The readership is associated with a non-stipendiary professorial fellowship at St Antony's College. Applications (ten copies, or one from overseas candidates), naming three referees, should be received not later than 1 March 1993 by the Registrar, University Offices, Wellington Square, Oxfore OX1 2JD, from whom futher particulars may be obtained. Please quote reference MSAH.0701. -- The Independent, 7 Jan 1993. From klaiman at CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU Fri Jan 8 04:53:13 1993 From: klaiman at CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU (M.H. KLAIMAN, ENGLISH & LINGUISTICS, INDIANA-PURDUE U.-FT. WAYNE) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 23:53:13 -0500 Subject: SUBSCRIBE INDOLOGY Message-ID: <161227015578.23782.5247746765743325687.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> nye and seely, I'll get off the open mike if you will!! Mimi From jbronkho at ulys.unil.ch Tue Jan 12 08:29:17 1993 From: jbronkho at ulys.unil.ch (jbronkho at ulys.unil.ch) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:29:17 +0000 Subject: Nolot Message-ID: <161227015580.23782.5421405550399497080.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The (or an) address of Edith Nolot should be: c/o Institut de Civilisation Indienne 52, rue du Cardinal Lemoine F-75005 Paris Johannes Bronkhorst From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Tue Jan 12 17:43:54 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:43:54 -0600 Subject: Indus & Indo-Aryans Message-ID: <161227015582.23782.13252496493843769866.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Indologists: For arguments in favour of Indo-Aryans being in the general Indian area going as far back as the 6th millennium BCE please see S.C. Kak, The Indus tradition and the Indo-Aryans, Mankind Quarterly , vol. 32, 1992, pp. 195-213. ------------------------------------------------------------- For a background as well as more detailed arguments see the other papers by the author: A frequency analysis of the Indus script, Cryptologia, vol. 12, 1988, 129-143. Indus writing, Mankind Quarterly, vol. 30, 1989, pp. 113-118. Indus and Brahmi: Further Connections, Cryptologia, vol. 14, 1990, pp. 169-183. The sign for zero, Mankind Quarterly, vol. 30, 1990, pp. 199-204. The Indus Man d ala and the Indo-Aryans, In Science, History, Culture and Archaeology ---Dr S.R. Rao's 70th Birthday Felicitation Volume , B.U. Nayak and N.C. Ghosh (Editors), 1992, pp. 105-118. A new view of ancient India, Yoga Journal , Number 105, 1992, pp. 64-102. [with Georg Feuerstein and David Frawley] -Subhash Kak From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Wed Jan 13 16:08:54 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 10:08:54 -0600 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227015583.23782.13371764516560825880.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ANNOUNCEMENT An international Hindi magazine called VISHVA VIVEK has started appearing from New Orleans last year. The magazine publishes diverse material including fiction, poems, news, commentary, light material, letters to the editor, and special columns of interest to women, children, and so on. It also publishes items of interest to INDOLOGISTS. Four numbers have already appeared. The publication is quarterly. Subscription is $15 for one year, $28 for two years, and $40 for 3 years. To get the four back numbers of the first volume send $10. If you would like to subscribe and contribute, please contact the editor Professor Bhu Dev Sharma Dept of Mathematics Xavier University Box 56 B New Orleans, LA 70125 Tel: (504) 483-7469 [Day] 454-6348 [Evenings] Fax: 504-482-1561 From D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 16:21:13 1993 From: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 16:21:13 +0000 Subject: Sanskrit job -- Oxford Message-ID: <161227015585.23782.15503504438033555909.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The Times (London), Monday January 11th 1993, carried the following advertisement: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- University of Oxford in association with Wolfson College University Lecturer in Sanskrit Applications are invited for this post, which is tenable from 1 October 1993 or as soon as possible thereafter, stipend on the age-related scale, pounds 13,400--26,407. The person appointed will be required to teach and do research in Sanskrit language and literature, and must be fully competent in the classical language. The successful candidate may be offered a fellowship at Wolfson College. Further particulars (containing details of the duties and full range of emoluments and allowances attaching to both the University and college posts) may be obtained from Catherine Godman, Secretary to the Oriental Studies Board, The Oriental Institute, Pusey Lane, Oxford OX1 2LE, to whom applications (ten copies, or one from overseas applicants) should be sent not later than Friday 26 February 1993. Applicants should also ask three referees to write in support of their applications in confidence to Ms Godman by 26 February. The FAX number of the Oriental Institute is +44 865 278190. Please quote reference s/1101. The University is an Equal Opportunity Employer From D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 17:27:47 1993 From: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 17:27:47 +0000 Subject: Timetable of SOAS Hindu Studies seminar Message-ID: <161227015587.23782.9272357570209322546.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> University of London School of Oriental and African Studies Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square, London WC1H OXG Tel. No. (071) 637 2388 DEPARTMENT OF RELIGIOUS STUDIES HINDU STUDIES SEMINAR 1992-3 CONVENOR: Dr. I. Julia Leslie Lectures will be held on TUESDAYS in Room L61 at 1.0 pm Term 2 January 12 Eroticism and Astrology in India Prof. Kenneth G. Zysk (New York University) [Chair: Dr. Tuvia Gelblum] 19 The Erotic in Indian Art Dr. Partha Mitter (University of Sussex) [Chair: Dr. Giles Tillotson] 26 The Names and Epithets of R!ma Dr. John Brockington (University of Edinburgh) [Chair: Dr. Renate Sohnen-Thieme] February 2 The Politics of Pilgrimage: The Case of the Maharaja of Jodhpur and Ramdeo the Hero-God Marzia Balzani (Roehampton Institute) [Chair: Dr. Malory Nye] 9 Parrot Tales:Tunccatteruttaccan and the Hindu Epics Dr. Theodore Gabriel (Cheltenham & Gloucester College of Higher Education) [Chair: Dr. Rupert Snell] 16 The Paths of the Dead and the Five Fires Dr. Dermot Killingley (University of Newcastle upon Tyne) [Chair: Dr. Julia Leslie] 23 The Meanings of Being "Buddhist" in the Context of Hindu Maharashtra} Dr. Tim Fitzgerald (Aichi Gakuin University, Japan) [Chair: Dr. Ian Raeside] March 2 Hindu Great Traditions in a Diaspora Context Dr. Malory Nye (King's College London) [Dr. Helen Kanitkar] 9 Women, Religion and Family Laws in India Dr. Vibhuti Patel (S.N.D.T. Women's University, Bombay) [Chair: Dr. Werner Menski] 16 The Deification of the Dead Dr. John Smith (University of Cambridge) [Chair: Dr. Christopher Pinney] Enquiries: Joan Ridgwell, Department of Religious Studies, SOAS. Tel. 071 323 6137 From D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 12:45:20 1993 From: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 12:45:20 +0000 Subject: Timetable of Wellcome Asian science seminar Message-ID: <161227015589.23782.2724984284263597668.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> WELLCOME INSTITUTE FOR THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE 183 Euston Road, London (071 611 8619) RESEARCH SEMINAR MEDICINE, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY IN ASIAN CULTURES SPRING AND SUMMER TERMS, 1993 Tuesday Wellcome Institute 4.30 pm (Tea 4.15 pm) Seminar Room, 4th Floor SPRING TERM 12 January Prof. K. Zysk (New York University) The Science of Respiration and the Doctrine of the Bodily Winds in Ancient India 26 January Dr. Gerrit Bos (Wellcome Institute for the History of Medicine), Ibn al-Jazzar on diseases of women 9 February Dr. C. Cullen (SOAS, London) Yale on China: Parker and Hume on Chinese Medicine 2 March Dr. G. J. Meulenbeld (Rijksuniversitiet Groningen, retired) Alchemy and Medicine in the History of Indian Medical Literature 23 March Prof. Leila Al-Imad (East Tennessee State University) Obstetrics and Obstetricians in Medieval Islamic Times SUMMER TERM 27 April Dr. Fernand Meyer (CNRS, Paris) Traumatology as Described in Tibetan Medical Texts 11 May Dr. Wim Raven (Free University of Amsterdam) The Transmission of Greek Science and Wisdom to the Islamic World: The case of a pseudo-Jahiz text on the proofs of God's existence. 25 May Dr. John Haldon (University of Birmingham) Faith or "Science"?: Medical Practice and Christian Belief in 7th Century Constantinople 8 June Dr. Arion Rosu (CNRS, Paris) Jesuit Missionaries in the History of Indian Medicine 22 June Prof. Shigehisa Kuriyama (Emory University, Atlanta) The Imagination of Winds and the Evolution of the Chinese Conception of the Body. From CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Sat Jan 16 17:05:43 1993 From: CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Richard P Hayes) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: Can computers teach Sanskrit? Message-ID: <161227015592.23782.20843068230447284.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A colleague in my department has gotten a grant, part of which is to be applied to setting up a computer laboratory in which there will be software installed for drilling students in classical Greek and Biblical Hebrew. Such software reportedly exists for the Macintosh platform, and it seems likely that that is what will be purchased to get us started. My colleague has indicated that some of the grant money could be applied to purchasing computer-assisted drills for Sanskrit, Pali and Tibetan, if any exist. Do any exist? Richard Hayes cxev at musica.mcgill.ca Religious Studies McGill University Montreal, Quebec From ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk Sat Jan 16 14:48:08 1993 From: ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk (ucgadkw at ucl.ac.uk) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 14:48:08 +0000 Subject: Pali canon on disk? Message-ID: <161227015590.23782.14295561198365112478.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> A second-hand report reached me last week that a project to put the whole of the Pali Text Series volumes onto disk was well advanced. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If it *is* being done, how is the text being tagged/encoded? And what will the terms of availability be? Dominik Wujastyk PS Observant Indologists may have noticed that my email address in some recent email has my address as ucgadkw at link-1 or some such. This is spurious, known, and under repair. The header above in this message is correct. From JHUBBARD at smith.smith.edu Sat Jan 16 19:01:06 1993 From: JHUBBARD at smith.smith.edu (JHUBBARD at smith.smith.edu) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 15:01:06 -0400 Subject: Pali canon on disk? Message-ID: <161227015594.23782.1742160795909479497.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> The project to put the PTS materials onto disk is quite far along. In fact, the input has been entirely finished (tho I haven't seen the whole thing, reports have it that that includes tranlsations, texts, and even journal articles). the project was begun some time ago, mainly initiated by Robert Thurman, Lew Lancaster, and myself. After several rounds of denials at the US NEH, Lew was able to interest the Dhammakay foundation in Thailand in the project. Under the direction of Ven. Mettanando, some hundreds of monks virtuously typed in the whole thing (two versions, checked against each other). The proofing is going on now. The original intent was to publish the corpus on CD-ROM through the Scholar's Press, the publishing house of the American Academy of Religion. We have also agreed upon following the TEI guidlelines for tagging, at least minimally in the initial production run and more fully as time goes by. Alas, there are numerous "upper-level" snags that have come up, mostly regarding the publishing, cost, PROTECTION DEVICES!!!, rights, etc. etc. I feel strongly that the international Buddhist and academic community will be best served by an open system, distributed at low cost. But I am only a small cog in a large machination. I am sorry that I cannot say more at this point, but perhaps, if folks are interested, we could begin a grass-roots effort to outline interface needs (which platforms? what kind of indexing? Sanskrit<-->Pali cross-indices? phrase marking? what kinds of problems have you encountered on other CD-ROM text bases?), and most important, getting the material out the door. Although I am sometimes frustrated in the "process", it shouldn't be too long now (maybe we can even put some TeX stuff in for Dominik and other TeXies). Jamie Hubbard From ANTHCN at EMUVM1.EARN Sat Jan 16 20:23:00 1993 From: ANTHCN at EMUVM1.EARN (Charles Nuckolls) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 15:23:00 -0500 Subject: Telugu Message-ID: <161227015595.23782.5364479111696238841.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Please respond to this message if you work in either classical or modern Telugu. I am interested in communicating with scholars working in this area. Thanks. Charles W. Nuckolls Department of Anthropology Emory University From BROWNH at CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Sat Jan 16 22:55:50 1993 From: BROWNH at CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (BROWNH at CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 17:55:50 -0500 Subject: Telugu Message-ID: <161227015597.23782.11679829639914745005.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I presume you are aware of TELUGU at VM1.NODAK.EDU. Haines Brown (brownh at ccsua.ctstateu.edu) From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Mon Jan 18 16:29:15 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:29:15 -0600 Subject: Kalidasa and the Agnimitra problem Message-ID: <161227015599.23782.14088662999240003151.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> If you would like to obtain copies of a paper with the above title that appeared in Journal of the Oriental Institute, vol 40, 1990, pp. 51-54 do let me know. The paper presents arguments in favour of the dating of Kalidasa to 50 BCE. -Subhash Kak From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Tue Jan 19 15:29:16 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 09:29:16 -0600 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227015600.23782.7398512678366106342.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ayodhya: A view from America by Subhash Kak In order to understand the dimensions of India's current political crisis let me begin with a hypothetical question. Assume that the Ayodhya dispute has been resolved, will communal peace then return to India? The emotional outbursts of P.V. Narasimha Rao after the razing of the Babri monument and their resonance in India's English press have shifted the focus away from a cool-headed consideration of the above question. The debate in the media has been trivialized to such a degree that the entire blame for the events has been put on individuals or parties. No attempt has been made to understand the processes at work that have compelled the course of events. It is my contention that the Ayodhya dispute is just a symptom of a much deeper problem. Without understanding the basic processes the crisis might have, at best, been postponed. Even if the Ayodhya dispute is resolved India will go from crisis to crisis unless the fundamental nature of the Indian system is changed. The rise of Islamic fundamentalism has been widely debated and the causes will not be recounted here. On the other hand, there are three primary reasons for the increased Hindu militancy of the past few years. These reasons are related to the breakdown of the Indian political system and the cynical use of vote-banks by the major parties. Politics of historical wrongs The Indian Constitution which came into force in 1950 provided quotas for certain historically disadvantaged castes and tribes in the legislatures in proportion to their populations. These quotas ran to about 14 percent of the total. In addition there were job quotas of about 22 percent. The quotas were to have been in force for a period of 10 years only but the Constitution has been amended for these to remain a part of the law. Electoral considerations soon led to an enlargement of the quotas to cover increasing groups of people. Lacking a larger moral and political vision, the politicians have used the quotas to divide the population. In certain states the quotas are as large as 70 percent of all the jobs. For example the leftist Janata party, has developed its entire political agenda on quotas based on caste divisions. V.P. Singh, who was prime minister during 1989-90 used the recommendations of a certain Mandal Commission to announce reservations for more than 70 percent of all jobs. This triggered a wave of suicides by the youth that finally brought down his government. Nevertheless in the campaign that followed leading politicians like Rajiv Gandhi and V.P. Singh spoke of their support for further quotas, some even based on religion. Most recently the P.V. Narasimha Rao Government has passed a bill that would reserve close to 60 percent of all jobs based on different criteria related to circumstances of birth rather than fitness to perform the job. In other words the Mandal Commission recommendations, although with some modifications, have become law. The law with certain modifications has recently been upheld by India's Supreme Court for its constitutionality although it ruled that the reserved positions could not exceed 50 percent of the total jobs and economic considerations could not be used for determining eligibility. A new cycle of demonstrations is sure to follow. The logic of the quotas is to right a historical wrong. The leftist parties and the Congress have exploited the rhetoric of these wrongs and of caste bashing to hold on to their electoral support. With the direction of the Supreme Court and the Central government the quotas can only become stronger. It is claimed that India is following the example of the U.S. not realizing that U.S. does not have quotas, only affirmative action. Affirmative action means a host of devices to increase the representation of the minorities in different walks of life, but it does not mean hiring based on one's color or caste or religion. Should the U.S. have quotas for the different ethnic groups, the American economy will grind to a halt in no time. The end game of such a politics based on caste, religion, and ethnicity can only be a situation like that of Somalia or Yugoslavia. The leftist parties take it as axiomatic that India's backwardness is due to the nature of the Hindu religion. The Hindu right feels that the caste politics of the leftist parties is a ploy to destroy India's heritage. It has countered by seizing on the emotive issue of the historical wrongs by certain Muslim kings like Babar and Aurangzeb to divert the attention from the caste politics of the left. Observing the events of the past three years one sees that the Ayodhya temple issue has often heated up following the moves of the left on the caste quotas. There is a feeling that the Congress party will not remain in power too long because of the international collapse of the socialist model of economy, which was the foundation of the party's policies. What we witness then is a bitter fight between the left and the right for the heart of India. An asymmetric law Now imagine the U.S. with a law that allows only the religious minorities to run their tax-exempt parochial schools. In such a situation it will be natural for the Christian majority to consider this law discriminatory and have it expunged. Such an asymmetry is another reason behind religious discord in India today. Article [30(1)] in the Indian Constitution was used in the 70's by the Communist provincial government of West Bengal to challenge the right of the Hindus to run their schools and colleges. According to this Article members of the majority religion do not have the right to establish their own religious schools whereas the minority religions do. When the Supreme Court of India upheld the interpretation of the Communists, several Hindu sects (such as Ramakrishna Mission) that ran schools filed for or received status as minority religions to prevent the government takeover of their schools. The government of India did not respond to this ruling of the court to try to change the law so that all religions would be treated equally. This has led to a great resentment amongst the Hindus. Likewise the change in the law in 1986 that removed Muslim divorces from adjudication by the Supreme Court will remain a lightning rod to channel Hindu discontent with India's legal framework. Pakistan and Kashmiri refugees There is another important reason for the rise of the recent Hindu militancy. This is the general belief in India that Pakistan is behind the sectarian killings that have racked the provinces of Punjab and Kashmir for the past decade. International pressure on Pakistan to dissociate itself from such sectarian violence would reduce tensions. Another sore point are the victims of the sectarian violence in Kashmir. The government of India has, for strange electoral reasons, decided to ignore them. The Indian government should be asked to provide a humane settlement for these Hindu refugees who have been languishing in camps in Jammu and Delhi for the past three years. If the government cannot guarantee reasonable protection even after three years of turmoil, it should provide compensation for loss of property and jobs. The Indian constitution The drama building up to the events in Ayodhya brings into focus the inadequacy of the Indian political and legal systems to resolve conflicts. Indian politicians have not shown courage or imagination during the whole episode. The sorry state of the judicial system has come into clear focus. The government needs to have a clear policy framework. A democracy is a covenant between various interest groups and the colonial practice of banning organizations is dangerous in a democracy. If individuals have broken the law they should be prosecuted but organizations should not be banned. The Centre's decision to dismiss opposition governments in several states for transparently partisan reasons is going to be counter-productive. Such steps would make it difficult to arrive at compromises that are basic to any political process. It is absolutely essential that the government of India undertake initiatives so that India becomes a truly secular state. The cheap remedy of righting historical wrongs through the system of caste quotas that the Narasimha Rao government has embraced should be dropped. Such a remedy is very costly in the long run. A modern secular state does not concern itself with questions of religion, caste, or ethnicity. The Indian system is obsessively concerned with these issues. Perhaps this is not surprising because the Indian state is the heir to the colonial British India and the Indian government has gone on with the old ways of divide and rule. This has been done in ways more imaginative than the British ever dreamed of. It seems that the time is ripe to write a new constitution for India. From sandip at lewis.EE.CORNELL.EDU Tue Jan 19 18:25:21 1993 From: sandip at lewis.EE.CORNELL.EDU (sandip at lewis.EE.CORNELL.EDU) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 13:25:21 -0500 Subject: Kalidasa and the Agnimitra problem Message-ID: <161227015602.23782.18188950249031386813.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Professor Kak, I am a student of EE but the study of history is a hobby of mine. I find your articles very interesting and thought-provoking. Since you kindly offered to mail copies of your above-mentioned publication, I am taking the liberty of requesting you for one. Of course, only if you have it in electronic form and it is not too much trouble for you. THanking you and looking forward to reading about Kalidasa. regards, sandip bose sandip at ee.cornell.edu From 441495 at acadvm1.uottawa.ca Mon Jan 25 01:28:25 1993 From: 441495 at acadvm1.uottawa.ca (MICHAEL STRANGELOVE) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:28:25 -0500 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227015604.23782.1475217357316648208.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am compiling a handbook of networked resources for Religious Studies (and related areas). This bibiography is freely available on the Net from listserv at uottawa or listserv at acadvm1.uottawa.ca as mystics v1-txtx and mystics v2-txt. Can you send me information on INDOLOGY LIST to be included in the bibliography? Thank you kindly, Michael Strangelove Department of Religious Studies University of Ottawa BITNET: 441495 at Uottawa Internet: 441495 at Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA Voice: (613) 747-0642 FAX: (613) 564-6641 From vsm at heliograph.Eng.Sun.COM Mon Jan 25 19:16:39 1993 From: vsm at heliograph.Eng.Sun.COM (vsm at heliograph.Eng.Sun.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:16:39 -0800 Subject: Kalidasa and the Agnimitra problem Message-ID: <161227015606.23782.3248180189226125815.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > > If you would like to obtain copies of a paper with the > above title that appeared in > Journal of the Oriental Institute, vol 40, 1990, pp. 51-54 > > do let me know. The paper presents arguments in favour of the > dating of Kalidasa to 50 BCE. > -Subhash Kak > > Subash, Could you please mail me a copy?? My Address is: SunSoft Inc. 2550, Gracia Ave, MTV21-228, Mountain View, CA-94043-1100, USA. (415) 336-2906 Thanks, ---- Regards, Murali V. Srinivasan, If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure. SunSoft Inc. - Vice President Dan Quayle 2550, Gracia Ave, MTV21-228, Mountain View, CA-94043-1100, USA. (415) 336-2906 vsm at Eng.Sun.Com OR murali.srinivasan at sun.com From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Mon Jan 25 19:38:10 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:38:10 -0600 Subject: Kalidasa and the Agnimitra problem Message-ID: <161227015608.23782.7933392812346716732.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> .nr PS 11 .nr VS 14 .nr LL 5i .nr PO 2i .nr HM 2i .nr FM 2i .EQ delim $$ .EN .AM .TL Ka\*_lida\*_sa and the Agnimitra Problem .AU Subhash C. Kak .AI Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge 70803, USA .LP .PP The Agnimitra problem is as follows: If Ka\*_lida\*_sa lived around 400 A.D., as many scholars now believe, why did he write a play on a minor king who had lived more than 500 years earlier? This question is especially significant since Agnimitra is the only historical character in his plays, and one might further ask why did Ka\*_lida\*_sa not use more famous kings and heroes of contemporary times in his plays. .PP This problem has not been discussed because of the assumptions which lie at the basis of the accepted chronology of Indian literature. However, in recent years, many of these assumptions have been shown to be incorrect. In the absence of any archaeological evidence to support it, the theory of invasion of the Aryans is now characterized as a myth.\** .FS J.G. Shaffer, "The Indo-Aryan invasions: cultural myth and archaeological reality", in \fIThe People of South Asia\fR, edited by J.R. Lukacs. New York: Plenum, 1984. .FE The Bra\*_hmi\*_ script has been shown\** .FS S.C. Kak," A frequency analysis of the Indus script," \fICryptologia\fR, vol. 12, 1988, pp. 129-143. .br S.C. Kak, "Indus writing," \fIMankind Quarterly\fR, vol. 30, 1989, pp. 113-118. .br S.C. Kak, "Indus and Brahmi: further connections," \fICryptologia\fR, vol. 14, 1990, pp. 169-183. .FE to be derived from the Indus script of the third millennium B.C. There is reason now\** .FS S.B. Roy, "Chronological framework of Indian protohistory -- the lower limit," \fIJournal of the Baroda Oriental Institute\fR, vol. 32, 1983, pp. 254-274. .br S.C. Kak, "On the chronology of ancient India," \fIIndian Journal of History of Science\fR, vol. 22, 1987, pp. 222-234. .FE to judiciously use the astronomical and literary evidence which suggests greater antiquity for the earliest Indian literature than the arbitrary chronology popularized by Max Mu\*:ller and his successors. .PP Furthermore Seidenberg's research has shown\** .FS A. Seidenberg, "The ritual origin of geometry", \fIArchive for History of Exact Sciences\fR, vol. 1, 1962, 488-527. .br A. Seidenberg, "The origin of mathematics", \fIArchive for History of Exact Sciences\fR, vol. 18, 1978, 301-342. .FE that there exist reasons to reopen the question of the dating of the \fIsu\*_tra\fR literature. His work shows that the late dating of \fIs\*'ulvasu\*_tras\fR was partly prompted by the attempt to see a Indian geometry as following the rise of Greek geometry. His demonstration that \fIS\*'atapatha Bra\*_hman\*.a\fR, which is conservatively dated centuries before earliest Greek geometry, itself contains Indian geometry compels a new look at the entire question. It also calls for a review of the evidence used to fix the chronology of the literature that followed the \fIsu\*_tra\fR period. This provides our motivation to review the controversy related to Ka\*_lida\*_sa's date. .PP The dating of Ka\*_lida\*_sa poses several interesting problems. The time window to seek Ka\*_lida\*_sa's date is provided by Agnimitra (150 B.C.), the subject of his play \fIMa\*_lavika\*_ and Agnimitra\fR and the Aihole inscription praising him which is dated 634 A.D. There also exists the tradition associating Ka\*_lida\*_sa with Vikrama\*_ditya of Ujjayini\*_, who is believed to have founded the Vikrama era in 58 or 57 B.C. But this tradition is manifestly late: the earliest account connecting Ka\*_lida\*_sa with Vikrama is by the eleventh century king and author Bhoja in his \fIS\*'r\*.nga\*_ra Praka\*_s\*'a\fR. Legend describes Ka\*_lida\*_sa as one of the nine jewels at the court of King Vikrama\*_ditya together with Amarasim\*.ha, Veta\*_labhat\*.t\*.a, Vararuci, and Ghat\*.akarpara. .PP The tradition that a Vikrama\*_ditya founded the Vikrama era has been traced back only to Sam\*.vat 1050 (993 A.D.). Initially this era was apparently called the Kr\*.ta era.\** .FS Buddha Prakash, \fIStudies in Indian History and Civilization\fR. Agra: Shiva Lal Agarwala, 1962. .FE There exist several inscriptions from 225 A.D. to 424 A.D. that use this name. Later it is called the Ma\*_lava era and the earliest reference to this name\** .FS F. Edgerton, \fIVikrama's Adventures\fR. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1926. .FE appears in Sam\*.vat 428 (371 A.D.). But there is a Jain tradition according to which Vikrama began this era 470 years after Maha\*_vi\*_ra's nirva\*_n\*.a which agrees with the dating of 58/57 B.C. According to this tradition the era was founded to celebrate the magnanimity of King Vikrama\*_ditya who freed his subjects from debt to mark his conversion by Siddhasena Diva\*_kara. But it is conceivable that these late Jain works interpolated the account of Vikrama as the founder of this era at a time when the facts were quite forgotten. .PP Al-Bi\*_runi\*_ (1030 A.D.) believed there had been two Vikrama\*_ditya's, with the latter being the one who expelled the S\*'aka, and the former being the one after the era was named. He states:\** .FS E.C. Sachau, \fIAlberuni's India\fR. 1910, Reprint 1989 (Delhi). .FE .IP The epoch of the era of S\*'aka or S\*'akaka\*_la falls 135 years later than that of Vikrama\*_ditya. The here-mentioned S\*'aka tyrannised over their country between the river Sindh and the ocean, after he had made A\*_ryavarta in the midst of this realm his dwelling-place.... The Hindus had much to suffer from him, till at last they received help from the east, when Vikrama\*_ditya marched against him, put him to flight and killed him in the region of Karu\*_r, between Multa\*_n and the castle of Loni\*_. Now this date became famous, as people rejoiced in the news of the death of the tyrant, and was used as the epoch of an era, especially by the astronomers. They honour the conqueror by adding S\*'ri\*_ to his name, so as to say S\*'ri\*_ Vikrama\*_ditya. Since there is a long interval between the era which is called the era of Vikrama\*_ditya and the killing of S\*'aka, we think that the Vikrama\*_ditya from whom the era has got its name is not identical with the one who killed S\*'aka, but only a namesake of his. .PP The significance of this quotation is that Vikrama of the era fame had nothing to do with the defeat of the S\*'akas. This agrees with the account in the Jain tradition. .PP Many scholars believe that, notwithstanding the above, the association of Ka\*_lida\*_sa with Vikrama really refers to Candragupta II (375-413 A.D.) of the Gupta dynasty who bore the title Vikrama\*_ditya. However, Candragupta II's capital was Pa\*_t\*.aliputra, whereas Ka\*_lida\*_sa's poetry describes Ujjayini\*_ in great detail in his \fIMeghadu\*_ta\fR. And if the tradition of Ka\*_lida\*_sa being a courtier of Vikrama\*_ditya has any truth to it, one would have expected references to Pa\*_t\*.aliputra. On the other hand, Candragupta II defeated the S\*'aka ks\*.atrapa of Ma\*_lava\*_ some time after 390 A.D. Annexing this region, he established a provincial capital at Ujjayini\*_. .PP Nevertheless, it is quite conceivable that the legends and references related to Ka\*_lida\*_sa were penned when the facts were quite mixed up and, therefore, Ka\*_lida\*_sa's association with Candragupta II was transferred to the era that bore the name of Vikrama. This means that the controversy can be resolved only by considering evidence within the Ka\*_lida\*_sa corpus itself. This brings us to Agnimitra, the one historical character in his plays. Why did Ka\*_lida\*_sa write a play about him? .PP Plays are generally written about heroes from myth or history, or characters, otherwise insignificant, who are from the contemporary world. This is true of Shakespeare whose major characters are either mythical heroes like Hamlet, or Roman generals and conquerors, or famous English kings from not too distant past. One would expect this to be true of Ka\*_lida\*_sa as well. .PP Agnimitra was a minor king who, according to Pura\*_n\*.as, ruled for a mere 8 years. But before this he served as the viceroy of his father Pus\*.yamitra S\*'unga in Vidis\*'a\*_. In \fIMa\*_lavika\*_ and Agnimitra\fR Pus\*.pamitra (Pus\*.yamitra) is described as Agnimitra's general. Now it is conceivable that Pus\*.yamitra, who had been the general of Br\*.hadratha, the last Mauryan king of Pa\*_t\*.ali\*_putra, continued to call himself sena\*_pati during his reign. But during the time of the imperial Guptas, when the Pura\*_n\*.as were being expanded and revised, Pus\*.yamitra was remembered as the king who overthrew the Mauryas and ruled for 36 years. .PP There existed another reason why Pus\*.yamitra was remembered long after his death.\** .FS Buddha Prakash, \fIop. cit.\fR, for this and other information in this paragraph. .FE This is because Patan\*~jali in his \fIMaha\*_bha\*_s\*.ya\fR mentions the As\*'vamedha sacrifice by him. A stone inscription from Ayodhya\*_ declares that he performed two As\*'vamedha sacrifices. According to Buddhist tradition, Pus\*.yamitra persecuted that religion. Jain tradition claims that after his death he was succeeded by Balamitra-Bha\*_numitra, and it assigns them a reign of 60 years. It has been suggested, therefore, that after Pus\*.yamitra death the empire was divided and Agnimitra ruled in Pa\*_t\*.liputra for 8 years, and Balamitra-Bha\*_numitra set up an independent state in the west. .PP This suggests that it would have been highly unlikely for Ka\*_lida\*_sa to base his play on a minor king, 500 years after his death. .PP We return now to the traditional account which places Ka\*_lida\*_sa about 50 B.C. Considering the Jain accounts that suggest that Vikrama was a minor regional king, it is easy to visualize the court poet writing a play about a recent king who was famous because of the As\*'vamedha sacrifices. And since Ka\*_lida\*_sa was apparently from Ujjayini\*_, it would have been natural to write about the regional viceroy. Furthermore, Ka\*_lida\*_sa would have known that Pus\*.yamitra continued to style himself sena\*_pati after seizing the throne. .PP In this scenario, one could assume that Ka\*_lida\*_sa was born about 100 B.C. and, therefore, Agnimitra's stewardship of the As\*'vamedha in Ujjayini\*_ would have made him well remembered hero. On the other hand, in 400 A.D. the many intervening As\*'vamedhas of numerous kings, including the Guptas, would have made the one stewarded by Agnimitra a long-forgotten event. .PP The above arguments do not prove that the traditional account of 50 B.C. being the date of Ka\*_lida\*_sa is true. But it makes this date more probable than 400 A.D. accepted by many scholars. .sp2 Journal of the Oriental Institute, vol 40, pp 51-54, 1990. From appam at atc.ll.mit.edu Tue Jan 26 15:16:03 1993 From: appam at atc.ll.mit.edu (appam at atc.ll.mit.edu) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:16:03 -0500 Subject: Recent resignations Message-ID: <161227015611.23782.17158078318107775831.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I have been thinking of unsubscribing also. The reason being too much undigested mail. ...appa madiwale >?From THRASHER at MAIL.LOC.GOV 26 1993 Jan GMT 10:46:10 Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:46:10 GMT From: ALLEN W THRASHER Subject: LOC JUNIOR FELLOWSHIPS THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS JUNIOR FELLOWS PROGRAM : ASIAN DIVISION The Asian Division invites your participation in its Junior Fellows Program. The Division offers academic fellowships to qualified juniors, seniors, and graduate students in a program designed to fit the interests and schedules of the fellows as well as to serve the mission of the Library. Projects in our collections will be of interest to students in library science and Asian studies. SCOPE OF THE COLLECTIONS The Asian Division's collections of 1.7 million volumes include books, periodicals, newspapers, manuscripts, and microforms in the languages of East Asia, Southeast Asia, and the South Asian subcontinent. The four sections of the division - Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Southern Asia - provide reference assistance and prepare bibliographies for both materials in the Asian language collections and related publications in Western languages in the Library's general collections. The collections in the custody of the Southern Asia Section contain nearly 500,000 volumes or ficheof volumes in classicalPakistan, India, Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Indonesia and the Philippines. EXAMPLE OF PROJECTS AVAILABLE FOR FELLOWS Southeast Asia Serials Collection. Vietnamese, Malaysian, and Indonesian serial collections need to be evaluated, selectively prepared for binding or microfilming, and added to the collections. The Vietnamese newspaper collection needs to be prepared for microfilming. A 12,000 reel microfilm collection of newspapers and other publications in regional languages needs to be reviewed and reorganized to provide easier access with improved computerized bibliographic controls. Work on these collections offers Fellows the opportunity to work with area specialists and to famniliarize themselves with the Library's methods of managing materials of this kind. It also provides an introduction to the Library's use of its field offices in Jakarta, New Delhi and Karachi and to the publications practices of the South and Southeast Asian areas. Inquiries about possible intern projects may be made to the Chief, Asian Division, Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540, or by telephone at 202-707-5420. DEADLINE March 1, 1993. NB: Applicants must be United States citizens or hold a "green card" (permission to be employed in the U.S.) The above is a digest of the printed announcement being sent out to appropriate area studies departments and centers. Specific information on Southern Asia Section projects can also be asked from the section, 202-707-5600. Please forward this message as appropriate, especially to other networks. Allen Thrasher Southern Asia Section Library of Congress From CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Tue Jan 26 17:06:57 1993 From: CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Richard P Hayes) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:06:57 -0500 Subject: Recent resignations Message-ID: <161227015612.23782.8784274759850230443.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > I have been thinking of unsubscribing also. > The reason being too much undigested mail. INDOLOGY seems to me like a nearly ideal e-mail discussion group, partly because so little of substance ever gets posted here. E-mail is an absolutely miserable medium for serious discussion, but it does allow people to keep in touch and to exchange useful information quickly. INDOLOGY provides a most useful service in allowing Indologists to inform one another of (all too rare) employment opportunities and to ask whether anyone knows another Indologist's address or present whereabouts. May it stay like this forever. May those who have things of substance to get off their chests unburden themselves elsewhere. (Sorry, Dominik, if this isn't exactly the form of praise you were hoping to hear for this list.) Richard Hayes cxev at musica.mcgill.ca Religious Studies McGill University Montreal, Quebec From sadasivam%uhavax.dnet at ipgate.hartford.edu Tue Jan 26 17:30:14 1993 From: sadasivam%uhavax.dnet at ipgate.hartford.edu (sadasivam%uhavax.dnet at ipgate.hartford.edu) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:30:14 -0500 Subject: Recent resignations Message-ID: <161227015632.23782.6074201726275257469.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I guess since it is the begining of the semester, a lot of new Indian students who enroll in universities sign up for this list server thinking that the list is similar to the India News list, only to find the discussion on indology. This may be the reason for the recent episode of resignation. Ragu University of Hartford Hartford, Ct. From D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 14:52:27 1993 From: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:52:27 +0000 Subject: Recent resignations Message-ID: <161227015609.23782.16044556663260561526.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I hope my recent message will help people who want to unplug from INDOLOGY. I have also sent private messages to most of the folk trying to resign, explaining again how to do it. As a matter of curiosity to anyone who may still be with us, but is trying to leave (:-) why this sudden efflux? Is there something about INDOLOGY I haven't spotted? Some subtle political incorrectness, perhaps? (Are we still allowed to say "India"?) Again :-) Dominik ---------------- Dominik Wujastyk d.wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk +44 71 611 8467 From AKR at BROWNVM.brown.edu Tue Jan 26 19:56:48 1993 From: AKR at BROWNVM.brown.edu (Ajit Ranade) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:56:48 -0500 Subject: english transliteration using TeX Message-ID: <161227015615.23782.14368095191300510388.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dear Devanagari TeX Users and others: How does one get English transliterations (with diacriticals) using TeX? I would prefer a TeX based solution (since I am sure WordPerfect and other Mac based solutions exist). Needless to add, I know how to typeset Devanagari fonts (using Devanagari TeX). But it's the rendering in English i.e. with all the diacriticals that Sanskrit requires -- which is what I am looking for. (I suspect it is similar to typing Spanish, or Norwegian etc i.e. all Roman script languages with their graves and accents.) Dominik, I aplogize if this query is hopelessly naive! Are the accents supported in plain (or La)TeX adequate for Sanskrit? Thanks for any response.. Ajit Ranade From CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Wed Jan 27 11:27:41 1993 From: CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Richard P Hayes) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 06:27:41 -0500 Subject: Vedic accents in TeX Message-ID: <161227015617.23782.8749833442462189393.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> This question is directed to the teeming masses of people who use TeX to typeset Sanskrit using Frans Velthuis's DNMACS: Is there any way to get the accent marks for Vedic svarita and udatta accents? As you know, if one doesn't print the accents correctly, the mantras won't be efficacious, so I hope it is not necessary to sacrifice accuracy in printing passages from the Veda. Richard Hayes cxev at musica.mcgill.ca Religious Studies McGill University Montreal, Quebec From CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Wed Jan 27 12:04:31 1993 From: CXEV at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Richard P Hayes) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:04:31 -0500 Subject: english transliteration using TeX Message-ID: <161227015622.23782.10574233012799524302.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > How does one get English transliterations (with > diacriticals) using TeX? The only diacritical marks that are necessary in standard romanization are macron for long vowels, underdot for retroflex consonants, overdot for the velar nasal, tilde for the palatal nasal, and acute accent for the palatal sibilant. The codes for these accents are given on p. 52 of The TeXbook. They are (in the order mentioned above): \=a (long a), \d{t} (retroflex stop), \.n (velar nasal), \~n (palatal nasal) and \'s (palatal sibilant). If you encode a lot of romanized Sanskrit, you may get quite a few overfull hboxes, since TeX does not know much about hyphenation exceptions for Sanskrit. So you may have to introduce a few ghost hyphens \-. Richard Hayes cxev at musica.mcgill.ca Religious Studies McGill University Montreal, Quebec From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Wed Jan 27 15:19:48 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 09:19:48 -0600 Subject: The Rigveda Message-ID: <161227015624.23782.6164734582533507659.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Several colleagues have urged me to announce on this network the discovery of an astronomical code in the Rigveda. Several papers on this code are in the process of publication. Two papers that have just appeared in print are: Subhash Kak, "Astronomy of the Vedic altars and the Rigveda", Mankind Quarterly, vol 33, 1992, pp. 43-55. Subhash Kak, "Astronomy in the Shatapatha Brahmana", Indian J. of the History of Science, vol. 28, 1993, pp. 14-33. I shall give the exact references of the other papers in the series as soon as they appear in print in the various scholarly journals. The Rigveda has been studied extensively in the West for more than a hundred years (and it has been studied for centuries in India) but no one had suspected that an astronomical code existed in the organization of the book. This decipherment is based on several pieces of interlocking evidence within the organization, as well as corroborating evidence from other ancient texts. The decipherment shows that the Vedic Indians were keen observers and they had determined that the sun was 108 sun-diameters away from the earth and the moon was 108 moon-diameters away from the earth. They reconciled the solar and the lunar years through a 95 year correction cycle. This means that their solar year was equal to 365.24675 days which is a remarkably accurate value. They were also interested in many abstract properties of numbers. This work also suggests that the astronomical code was forgotten in India about 3000 years ago. This provides a time-marker to determine the age of composition of many ancient books that explicitly use this astronomical code. Figuratively, the decipherment provides a new Rosetta stone to study the Rigveda which is like a Stonehenge in text. Other scholars have expressed great excitement with characterization of this work in terms such as `revolutionary' and `monumental'. The discovery of the astronomical code of the Rigveda implies that the traditional view that Vedic knowledge has three aspects, namely the cosmos, the nature, and the man stands vindicated. From jhelling at cs.ruu.nl Wed Jan 27 13:03:06 1993 From: jhelling at cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Hellingman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:03:06 +0000 Subject: english transliteration using TeX Message-ID: <161227015620.23782.16739674736912572847.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I have made a program, that can be used to derive scientifical transcription of Hindi or Sanskrit typed in Devanagari-TeX transcription in TeX -- it is table driven, so you can change the exat transcription you are using, and added some macro's as to be able to print circle below or double dot below accents -- I have also used this program to change the Devanagari-TeX transcription to another, I like better. -- Well, I can also do two accents on a letter, i.e., \~{\=a} will do the right thing. Jeroen (My replies may get delayed, since I don't read my mail every day) -- Jeroen Hellingman E-mail: 't Zand 2 Phone: +31-3473-73935 (home) 4133 TB Vianen (18.00--21.00 GMT) The Netherlands Answer in English, German, or Dutch. From jage at seq1.loc.gov Wed Jan 27 18:44:56 1993 From: jage at seq1.loc.gov (jage at seq1.loc.gov) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:44:56 -0500 Subject: Candrabindu with LaTEX Message-ID: <161227015626.23782.17845398097970625189.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Wednesday, January 27, 1993 Depending on the transliteration scheme in use, in addition to the TEX diacritics already described, one may also want to float a "candrabindu" (looks like a brev with a dot above the middle) over a letter. THe following works, but is dependent on the size (point size) and possibly width of the letter beneath the candrabindu. With a lower case "m": \u{\hspace{-.1in}\.{m}} Note that this is LaTEX, not TEX. Someone with more TEXpertise could, no doubt devise a less dependent solution. This is of course a purely personal proposal; it has no official government or religious sanction. I am not responsible should it prove devotionally or otherwise ineffective. Good luck, Jim Agenbroad (jage at seq1.loc.gov ) From rcohen at sas.upenn.edu Wed Jan 27 21:31:30 1993 From: rcohen at sas.upenn.edu (rcohen at sas.upenn.edu) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:31:30 -0500 Subject: The Rigveda Message-ID: <161227015629.23782.7743950979691549924.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I am afraid the recent self-publicizing submission(s) of Dr. Kak are a good example of the kind of messages our list members are fleeing. -- Richard J. Cohen >?From THRASHER at MAIL.LOC.GOV 27 1993 Jan GMT 16:56:16 Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:56:16 GMT From: "MAIL.LYAA101" Subject: BERKELEY SOUTH ASIA LIBRARIAN Some of you will receive this twice, but I can't remove names from my mailer for one message. Obviously, the possibility of few names is real. My under- standing is that they will draw the strongest candidates from S OR SE Asia to interview. Merry --- -------------( Forwarded letter follows )----------------------- --- Received: from violet.berkeley.edu by utxvm.cc.utexas.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:50:29 CST Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (5.67/1.32) id AA22482; Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:50:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Poulos;201 Moses;23608;;RA49" Subject: Berkeley South Asia librarian position (fwd) To: "S.A. librarians/incomplete" , d-john4 at uminnl.BITNET, joshi at milton.u.washington.edu, libgxs at suvm.BITNET, lynette at uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu, magier at cunixf.cc.columbia.edu, merry.b at utxvm.cc.utexas.edu, raylum at hardvarda.harvard.edu, rbm at virginia.edu, South/Southeast Asia Library , wells at vms.macc.wisc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Center for South Asia Studies 201 Moses Hall University of California Berkeley, CA, USA 94720 voice: 510-642-3608 fax: 510-643-5793 e-mail: steve at violet.berkeley.edu TO: CONSALD members The replacement position for Ken Logan has finaly been approved. This is no mean feat. The library asked for this job (South and Southeast Asian librarian) as one of its three top priorities (out of more than 80 vacancies) and the faculty and the Center for South Asia Studies probably provided the needed push to get budget approval. You (and all other CONSALD members) will receive the two page posting in the mail within two weeks directly from the Library. Salient points are that the job is at the low end of the professional librarian scale (Asst./Assoc. Librarian, $28,668-41,160); MLS or equivalent; knowledge of some aspect of South Asia and one or more SA languages; application deadline April 16, 1993. I would like to solicit your help in filling this job. There are probably very few-if any-available folks for this job and I would appreciate it if you could spread the word as widely as possible to whomever you think it relevant. My thought is that there may be individuals who you know who are not currently identified as SA librarians but who have the skills and are working in some other capacity, or, a new MLS with training in things South Asian who might not be in the CONSALD loop. It would be absolutely incredible after all that we have been through here to convince the Library and UC administrations of the essential nature of this position for our program, if we can not find any suitable candidates. Ken and I talked about this at length before he left and it has been my greatest fear. CSAS will be glad to provide any info about South Asia studies here at Berkeley or anything else that you or any other potential candidate might want. The applications and library- specific questions should be directed to: Janice Burrows 447 The Library University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 Voice: 510-642-3778 Fax: 510-642-8675 As I mentioned earlier you will all receive the official announcement through the mail. Thanks very much for your help. I hope that we are able to find a suitable colleague for you in the very near future. Steven Poulos Vice-Chairman From yanom at JPNKSUVX.EARN Thu Jan 28 09:03:32 1993 From: yanom at JPNKSUVX.EARN (yanom at JPNKSUVX.EARN) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:03:32 +0000 Subject: The Rigveda Message-ID: <161227015634.23782.1574529690095286832.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I agree with Richard J. Cohen's critical comment on Dr. Subhash Kak's argument. If all the flooding e-mails from INDOLOGY are like Kak's I will also feel like unsubscribing this network. But let us be patient. I remember Al-Biruni's famous comment on Indian scientific literature--- it is < a mixture of costly crysatls and common pebbles >. (INDIA, tr. by Sachau, i. p. 25). Let us be patient and enjoy finding crystals in this network. I suggest Dr. Kas to read David Pingree's papers on the history of Indian astronomy. Michio YANO YANOM at JPNKSUVX From kak at max.ee.lsu.edu Thu Jan 28 15:07:43 1993 From: kak at max.ee.lsu.edu (kak at max.ee.lsu.edu) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:07:43 -0600 Subject: The Rigvedic astronomical code Message-ID: <161227015638.23782.7392284923661147358.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> I have just realized that I posted the wrong file in the above-named posting yesterday. Please delete the previous message. A thousand apologies! -Subhash Kak >?From THRASHER at MAIL.LOC.GOV 28 1993 Jan GMT 10:45:10 Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:45:10 GMT From: ALLEN W THRASHER Subject: URGENT RE LOC TEMP. HIRING URGENT: Thursday, Jan. 28, 10:30 AM Divisions at the LOC have been told that there is $150,000 available for temporary contract employees to work on arrearage reduction, and that each division should submit proposals, with names of candidates if possible. We need to have the proposals in today if possible (sic). Can you suggest people in the Washington area or able to be here for a while that might be able and willing to work on arrearage reduction projects? In general library or formal area studies expertise is useful but not necessary. Some possible projects, in no priority: Making serial record and preparing for binding large number of serials in Southeast Asian languages using the Roman script (Malay, Indonesian,Filipino languages). Organizing Thai bound serials Organizing Thai or Vietnamese ephemera Prepping Vietnamese newspapers for microfilming microfilming. Cataloging Tibetan books with assistance of professional catalogers Filing microfiche Shelving bound vols. of serials by call no. or alphabetically by title Cataloging 550 Sanskrit mss. Reply ASAP to: Allen Thrasher Southern Asia Sect. Library of Congress thrasher at mail.loc.gov mail.thrasher at switch tel. 202-707-5600 fax 202-707-1724 Original-Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:16:06 CST PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:16:05 CST From: james nye To: indology at liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: URGENT RE LOC TEMP. HIRING In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:56:04 GMT Message-Id: Allen, The only person who comes to mind is Lloyd Anderson at Ecological Linguistics. He has a Ph.D. in Southeast Asian studies. While he may not be available himself, he seems to know who is up to what in SEA studies. Last known address is: P.O. Box 15156; Washington, D.C. 20003. Jim >?From JSHARMA at Hermes.GC.PeachNet.Edu 28 93 Jan EST5EDT 11:38:59 Date: 28 Jan 93 11:38:59 EST5EDT From: JSHARMA at Hermes.GC.PeachNet.Edu Subject: Re: Rigveda In contrast to folks like Richard Cohen and Michio Yano, I do find Subhash Kak's postings to be original and thought provoking. They certainly are in the spirit of this list which I understand to be a discussion of classical India. Since the Rigveda is the core of Indian culture, a new insight into its structure and meaning is certainly of great interest to me and other Indologists. Linkage of resignations from this list to Dr Kak's postings, seems more spite rather than a scholarly observation. Furthermore, Michio Kano is to be reminded that Al-Biruni is no great authority on classical Indian literature. His comment can equally be applied to any culture, including his own. J.B. Sharma jsharma at hermes.gc.peachnet.edu From sunder at crhc.uiuc.edu Thu Jan 28 17:01:11 1993 From: sunder at crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:01:11 -0600 Subject: Rigveda Message-ID: <161227015639.23782.11451775322972078619.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> > > In contrast to folks like Richard Cohen and Michio Yano, I do find > Subhash Kak's postings to be original and thought provoking. They > certainly are in the spirit of this list which I understand to be a > discussion of classical India. Since the Rigveda is the core of > Indian culture, a new insight into its structure and meaning is > certainly of great interest to me and other Indologists. I second that observation. I tend to believe that the spate of people, mainly with Indian-sounding names, leaving the list is because of the lack of discussion on any Indology-related topics that many of them probably expected to happen and be interested observers in. To that extent, Dr. Kak's posts are a reason for many of them NOT to leave. > Linkage of resignations from this list to Dr Kak's postings, seems > more spite rather than a scholarly observation. Amen. -srinivas sunder From jhelling at cs.ruu.nl Thu Jan 28 11:09:36 1993 From: jhelling at cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Hellingman) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:09:36 +0000 Subject: Candrabindu with LaTEX Message-ID: <161227015636.23782.3385957327776938657.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Hi, I think it will be possible to make the positioning of the candrabindu independent of the font, by using the font-specific dimensions provided by TeX, i.e. em and ex -- I have made some macros to place accents on top of each other, and place acccents meant to be put on top of a letter below them, that use explicit box-constructions. I do not have them here, but maybe I should post them on Indology and or comp.text.tex Jeroen -- Jeroen Hellingman E-mail: 't Zand 2 Phone: +31-3473-73935 (home) 4133 TB Vianen (18.00--21.00 GMT) The Netherlands Answer in English, German, or Dutch. From klaiman at CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU Thu Jan 28 21:38:51 1993 From: klaiman at CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU (M.H. KLAIMAN, ENGLISH & LINGUISTICS, INDIANA-PURDUE U.-FT. WAYNE) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:38:51 -0500 Subject: India News List Message-ID: <161227015641.23782.2180927000605274331.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> How can I subscribe to the India News list alluded to in a recent posting by 'Ragu'? Mimi Klaiman From bond at jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca Thu Jan 28 21:46:23 1993 From: bond at jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:46:23 -0400 Subject: India News List Message-ID: <161227015642.23782.12560669607376568203.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> On Thu, 28 Jan 1993, M.H. KLAIMAN, ENGLISH & LINGUISTICS, INDIANA-PURDUE U.-FT. WAYNE wrote: > How can I subscribe to the India News list alluded to in > a recent posting by 'Ragu'? > Mimi Klaiman > Please send a mail to LISTSERV at UKCC.UKY.EDU for subscribing to the India News Digest. The one line body of this message should contain: SUBSCRIBE INDIA-L -- Girish Bonde. From CXBG at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Fri Jan 29 14:19:07 1993 From: CXBG at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Brendan S. Gillon) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 09:19:07 -0500 Subject: Network Exchanges Message-ID: <161227015644.23782.15383872538555854336.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> First, let me say that I appreciate Chris Woodruff's advice. In particular, I believe with him that it is a good idea to avoid personal comments and "heat of the moment" replies. I myself was tempted to send off such a reply to the last set of exchanges, but I was too busy to find the time, and as a result ended up pondering the issue a little more deeply. I believe that the Indology network serves us well. It provides a good medium for the exchange of intellectually trivial but perhaps practically important matters, such as locating people and getting information about how to solve some electronic problem of an essentially type-setting nature. What I do find disappointing is that this seems to be about the limit of such a form of exchange. I guess that about 99 per cent of what gets exchanged on this network is of a metalinguistic nature, and the remainder actually is part of the subject matter purported to be covered. I welcome any discussion of substantive problems concerning the study of India. I suggest, however, that longer items be prefaced with an abstract of the content. Brendan S. Gillon Department of Linguistics 1001 Sherbrooke Street West Tel: 514 398 4868 McGill University Fax: 514 398 7088 Montreal, Quebec email: cxbg at musica.mcgill.ca H3A 2T6 CANADA >?From Lynn.E.Noel at Dartmouth.EDU 29 93 Jan EST 10:41:21 Date: 29 Jan 93 10:41:21 EST From: Lynn.E.Noel at Dartmouth.EDU (Lynn E Noel) Subject: Songs of the Subontinent? Please respond to the following question directly (lynn.e.noel at dartmouth.edu) and not to the Net; I will post a summary if requested. Thanks! ********************************* At a recent morris party, we got on a roll of "exotic-destination" songs -- Away Rio, Bound for South Australia, Old Maui, &c &c. This led naturally to "colonies" songs: Black Velvet Band, CaneCutters' Lament, Scarborough Settler's Lament, Queensland Drovers, &c &c. Our host's mother, an East Asian scholar of some repute, wondered why there were so few songs in the British Isles tradition from British India -- after twenty of us had been unable to come up with a single example. Australians, Canadians, even us Yanks have our collections of Anglo-Celtic lore and songs written in the British Isles tradition; and the rich cross-pollination of Africa, South America and Europe have given us North Americans plenty of gospel, Latin, calypso and reggae in our "traditional" harmony singing. Where is India? As a geographer, singer and collector, this intrigues me. Was the work so different that the work songs didn't travel, or didn't get written? (Sheep don't do well in the jungle, we understand.) Where are the songs of the tea plantations, or of the soldiers marching to war during the Raj? Was the conflict, culltural or political, so distasteful that the folk history has been suppressed? Was the music so different that there was no cross-cultural balladry or harmony? Were the forms too foreign to adapt? Or am I missing something? India was Britain's largest colonial territory for a long time. There is white space on my musical and mental map. Can anyone give examples of any of the following? We are particularly interested in songs that have survived, or been revived, in the oral tradition. "Mirrors" of any of these genres in Asian languages would be most interesting as well! * songs written in English in India during the British Raj * work songs of British workers in India, or of workers in colonial activities * songs that mention India as a destination or an origin, or contain Indian placenames * modern songs that deal with colonial society in British India * songs in the Indian tradition(s) that touch on the colonial period If there are empty categories, why? RSVP to end our bafflement! Thanks. Lynn Noel