From OLIVELLE at EDU.INDIANA.UCS Wed May 1 16:18:43 1991 From: OLIVELLE at EDU.INDIANA.UCS (OLIVELLE at EDU.INDIANA.UCS) Date: Wed, 01 May 91 11:18:43 -0500 Subject: Nagarjuna Message-ID: <161227014997.23782.7695802158935796531.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Phyllis Granoff teaches in the Department of Religious Studies at McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. I am sure this address would be sufficient. Best wishes. Patrick Olivelle. From FALK at DE.UNI-FREIBURG.RUF.IBM Tue May 7 10:15:51 1991 From: FALK at DE.UNI-FREIBURG.RUF.IBM (falk) Date: Tue, 07 May 91 10:15:51 +0000 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227014999.23782.9791289744528140604.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Does anybody know the email address of Hans Henrich Hock? Harry From madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM Wed May 8 14:40:56 1991 From: madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM (madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM) Date: Wed, 08 May 91 10:40:56 -0400 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227015000.23782.4437877524023370231.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Here is Hans H. Hock's address: Department of Linguistics 4088 Foreign Languages Building University of Illinois 707 S. Mathews Urbana, IL 61820, USA Sender: Madhav M. Deshpande May 8, 1991 From CYFB at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA Fri May 10 18:35:31 1991 From: CYFB at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA (CYFB000) Date: Fri, 10 May 91 14:35:31 -0400 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227015002.23782.5092940886184462132.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO I would be interested to have some references to religious texts from the Indian traditions which deal with the theme of depression (sinking of the heart). I have been studying this theme in the context of Christian spirituality and would like to compare the different attitudes towards it. Francis Brassard CYFB at MUSICA.MCGILL.CA MCGILL UNIVERSITY, MONTREAL CANADA From ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL Thu May 16 11:09:02 1991 From: ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 16 May 91 12:09:02 +0100 Subject: Jaisalmer Bhandar opens ... Message-ID: <161227015004.23782.10031336562846642417.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO The latest issue of the MLDB Newsletter (March 1991) contains the following note (p.9): The world famous Jnana Bhandar of Jain Temple at Jaisalmer (Rajasthan) contains one of the oldest and rare preserves of Jaina manuscripts numbering about 7,000. To facilitate research etc. in Jainism, the temple authorities have decided to make available copies of these manuscripts to institutes doing research in Jainology. A detailed list of ms is also available. People interested in utilizing this unique opportunity, provided for the first time, can contact Shri Joharimal Parakh, Seva Mandir Ravati, Soorsagar, Jodhpur -- 342024. (INDIA) If this really materializes, it could be very important indeed for Sanskrit studies. I feel that this is important enough that a careful and internationally coordinated approach to Shri Parakh -- and the temple authorities -- should be made. If Jaisalemer gets dozens of letters from individual scholars, they may clam up, or their facilities for dealing with copying and enquiries may be overloaded. It seems to me that perhaps the best way forward would be for a well funded and equipped library in, say, Europe, America or Japan, to acquire copies of all the Jaisalmer MSS, and try to negotiate permission to make further copies for interested parties, perhaps with a per-copy royalty being paid to the Jaisalmer authorites. This way, the Jaisalmer authorities would be free of the administration and labour of copying, but they would receive recognition and remuneration. Also, the manuscripts would be copied only once, and further copies would be made from the master film copies. Finally, if the project could be managed collaboratively between Jaisalmer and the foreign library (or even IGNCA, perhaps) then there might be some chance of the photography being done well, and very carefully. To stand a chance of getting cooperation, I feel that the institution or library that tries this should have some demonstrable track record of work in Jainism. One thinks of Strasbourg, perhaps. Or here at the Wellcome. Or any of the American libraries whose MSS were used by W. Norman Brown for his Jaina publications. Another approach might be to have one of the major Orientalist organizations, such as the RAS or the AOS or the DMG make the approach. Another point might be to work on this initiative with the collaboration of one or more of the well known Jaina scholars in India. One thinks of the various authorities in Ahmedabad, etc. I hope you will draw this to the attention of any colleagues not on INDOLOGY who would be able to contribute to this matter. I have written a preliminary letter to Shri Parakh, expressing interest in the new accessibility Jaisalmer collections. I shall report back to this group, if and when I get a reply. Dominik Wujastyk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Dominik Wujastyk, | Janet: D.Wujastyk at uk.ac.ucl Wellcome Institute for | Bitnet/Earn/Ean/Uucp/Internet: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk the History of Medicine,| or: dow at harvunxw.bitnet or: dow at wjh12.harvard.edu 183 Euston Road, | last resort: D.Wujastyk%uk.ac.ucl at nsfnet-relay.ac.uk London NW1 2BN, England. | Phone no.: +44 71 383-4252 ext.24 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ZYSK at EDU.NYU.ACFCLUSTER Thu May 16 16:18:53 1991 From: ZYSK at EDU.NYU.ACFCLUSTER (ZYSK at EDU.NYU.ACFCLUSTER) Date: Thu, 16 May 91 12:18:53 -0400 Subject: Jaisalmer Bhandar opens ... Message-ID: <161227015006.23782.18303036374011485347.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Good idea Dominik! Of course funding is always a problem. I should suggest that E. Bender at Penn might be asked to participate in any endeavours you have in mind, provided he is healthy. My own feeling is the the Wellcome has both the resources and the funds to handle it. Ken From ZYSK at EDU.NYU.ACFCLUSTER Mon May 20 14:17:48 1991 From: ZYSK at EDU.NYU.ACFCLUSTER (ZYSK at EDU.NYU.ACFCLUSTER) Date: Mon, 20 May 91 10:17:48 -0400 Subject: None Message-ID: <161227015008.23782.9107073185283593441.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Could someone kindly send me the mailing address of H.W. Bodewitz and his email address if available. Many thanks, Ken From kiparsky at EDU.STANFORD.CSLI Wed May 22 00:06:31 1991 From: kiparsky at EDU.STANFORD.CSLI (Paul Kiparsky) Date: Tue, 21 May 91 17:06:31 -0700 Subject: "Tat" as Indefinite Pronoun Message-ID: <161227015009.23782.4679625794696707422.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO In December you announced a discussion group on Sanskrit syntax. Did anything come of it, and if so, how would I join it? From madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM Wed May 22 15:04:26 1991 From: madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM (madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM) Date: Wed, 22 May 91 11:04:26 -0400 Subject: "Tat" as Indefinite Pronoun Message-ID: <161227015011.23782.15330296508501573254.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO I, Madhav Deshpande, would also like to join the Sanskrit syntax group which was announced in last December. How do I do that? M. Deshpande May 22, 1991 From CXEV at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA Thu May 23 12:46:03 1991 From: CXEV at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA (Richard P. Hayes) Date: Thu, 23 May 91 08:46:03 -0400 Subject: Sanskrit Syntax Sangha Message-ID: <161227015013.23782.12094650851099979988.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO SANSKRIT SYNTAX DISCUSSANTS: This message has the dual purpose of a) seeing whether I have correctly recorded the addresses of those who wish to participate in the discussions on Sanskrit syntax, and b) making a proposal about standardizing the way we send Sanskrit by e-mail. Sending diacrtically marked romanized Sanskrit by e-mail is difficult, and sending devanagari is (as far as I know) impossible. May I suggest that for the purposes of these discussions we adopt the set of conventions being used on the Indological Forum (Indology at liverpool.ac.uk). These conventions are in fact the commands used to print Devanagari in the fonts designed by Frans Velthuis for TeX typesetting software. I find them simple and intuitive. Velthuis's conventions are as follows: 1) LONG VOWELS ARE DOUBLED. (This also happens to be phonetically correct.) The vowels of Sanskrit, then, are a, aa, i, ii, u ,uu etc. 2) CONSONANTAL DIACRITICS PRECEDE THE CONSONANTS MARKED BY THEM. Thus the retroflex class of vowels and consonants is written: .r .t .th .d .dh .n .s Visarga is written: .h The palatals that take diacritics are: ~n and "s The guttural nasal is written: "n 3) DA.N.DA IS WRITTEN | Since quotation mark (") has been appropriated as a diacritic, one can use doubled open and close quote marks to indicate quotation: ``This is within quotation marks.'' Since all of us can distinguish Sanskrit from English and can probably make a good guess at distinguishing between words that are being used and words that are being mentioned, I propose that we minimize the use of quotation marks. That is, instead of writing: The word ``"sabda'' means word. one could just as well write: The word "sabda means word. To give you some idea of what Sanskrit looks like when these conventions are followed, here is the opening paragraph of the "saalistambasuutram (a mahaayaana suutra) eva.m mayaa "srutam| ekasmin samaye bhagavaan raajag.rhe viharati sma g.rdhrakuu.te parvate mahataa bhik.susa"nghena saardhamardhatrayoda"sabhirbhik.susahasrai.h sa.mbahulai"s ca bodhisattvamahaasattvai.h| athaayu.smaan "saariputro yena maitreyasya bodhisattvasya mahaasattvasya ca.mkramas tenopasamakramiit| Like any new set of conventions, these may seem a bit awkward at first, but I have found it easy to adapt. If any of you have principled (or even unprincipled) preferences for some other set of conventions, please state them fo us to consider. Richard Hayes Faculty of Religious Studies, McGill University From CXEV at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA Thu May 23 12:47:20 1991 From: CXEV at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA (Richard P. Hayes) Date: Thu, 23 May 91 08:47:20 -0400 Subject: Sanskrit Syntax Sangha Message-ID: <161227015014.23782.676625033878256981.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Brendan Gillon and Richard Hayes were very pleasantly surprised by the recent interest in a Sanskrit Syntax Discussion Group. As we mentioned in our original announcement in December 1990, we have been exchanging ideas and observations about Sanskrit Syntax for some time now and are eager to have the participation of others. We have been working on the translation of a text, and as part of that project, we have decided to do a grammatical analysis of each of its sentences. As a pilot project to this research, Gillon did an analysis of a random sample of 300 prose classical Sanskrit sentences, looking primarily at constituency. Since then, we have parsed over 450 from another text. The results, we feel, have been well worth the effort. At the same time, many interesting issues have arisen, both syntactic and semantic as well as ranging from the somewhat theoretical to the not so theoretical. Here is a list of some of the topics. 1. Constituency This topic has been looked into by Gillon, following up ideas of Staal's from his book on Sanskrit Syntax and Universal Grammar. Gillon would be happy to pass on a synopsis of his observations, now based on a corpus of almost a 1,000 sentences, as well as a sample of sentences which are problematic for the hypothesis he is exploring. 2. Anaphora Here, we have been discussing "tat", especially in what we have concluded is its function as an indefinite pronoun. Gillon has been suggesting that the function served by indefinite noun phrases in English, in constructions commonly known by the term "donkey sentences", a term due to Peter Geach (a philosopher who has looked at Medieval European philosophers had to say about quantification in natural language). Gillon has had the chance to discuss the problem in some detail with Kamaleshwara Bhattacharya. 3. Asamartha Compounds We have also put together data on asamartha compounds. One of the interesting cases of these compounds, totally unexpected by us, is the configuration in which the modifying element external to the compound is an adverbial, modifying in a adjectival like fashion an element subordinate in the compound. We thought it would be interesting to see what observations and reactions people would have to such compounds, certain totally unexpected from expectations which would normally accrue to the standard examples. 4. Copular Predication We have had some discussion about the greater semantic flexibility of the copula in Sanskrit. 5. Particles We are attending to the syntax and semantics of a number of particles. Over the past thirty years or so, an interesting literature has grown up on the syntax and semantics of particles in other languages. We are interested in seeing if equally good accounts can be provided for their counterparts in Sanskrit. Any particle is of interest. The ones which have caught our attention are: "api", "eva", "iti", and "punar". We have given the most amount of thought to "eva", cataloguing its various uses and referring to some of the recent literature on "only" in English, due to Geach, Horn, Partee, Shanon, McCawley, and others. If you are still interested and have a preference for one of the issues mentioned above, or if you want to suggest a topic dearer to your heart, then let us know. A discussion group on Sanskrit syntax is probably not destined to become enormous, so there will be no need to coordinate the discussion through a LISTSERV. Perhaps the most efficient way of seeing to it that all messages get to all participants would be for all messages to be sent initially to one person, who could then forward them to the others. If this arrangement does not sound sensible, we are open to other suggestions. Meanwhile, let's try it. Please send all messages intended for this group to Richard Hayes, and he will send them on. Brendan Gillon Richard Hayes From ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL Fri May 24 11:25:06 1991 From: ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 24 May 91 12:25:06 +0100 Subject: Sanskrit Syntax Sangha Message-ID: <161227015016.23782.12697882768961244947.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO With regard to the Sanskrit Syntax discussion, I am interested in the material, but pressure of work prevents me from participating actively. What I *would* like, however, is the opportunity to read through the group's exchanges after a few months. Do you think that one of you (Richard?) could keep a copy of each message, with the permission of the participants, and make the "archive" available to me, and other interested INDOLOGY members, after a while, on a periodic basis? I don't think this will entail much effort, and you would probably want to keep a copy of the exchanges anyway. Another possibility is that you could upload the file(s) to the INDOLOGY listserv system. It does have such a capability. I.e., you would deposit a copy of the file at Liverpool, and any other INDOLOGY member could send email to listserv at liverpool ordering a copy to be sent to them personally. (This is already the case with the INDOLOGY exchanges, by the way.) Incidentally, for what it's worth, I concur completely with Richard's proposal about how to represent Sanskrit in plain ASCII (hardly surprising, since I had some input into Fran's scheme when he was working it out). Best wishes, Dominik From CXEV at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA Sat May 25 14:35:41 1991 From: CXEV at CA.MCGILL.MUSICA (Richard P. Hayes) Date: Sat, 25 May 91 10:35:41 -0400 Subject: Syntax archives Message-ID: <161227015018.23782.12200529537739290733.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Dominik Wujastyk suggested: > With regard to the Sanskrit Syntax discussion, I am interested in > the material, but pressure of work prevents me from participating > actively. What I *would* like, however, is the opportunity to read > through the group's exchanges after a few months. Do you think that > one of you (Richard?) could keep a copy of each message, with the > permission of the participants, and make the "archive" available to > me, and other interested INDOLOGY members, after a while, on a > periodic basis? I certainly have no objection to keeping our discussions archived and making the archives available on a regular basis. I presume if the other discussants have an objection, they will let me know. I shall keep the Indological Forum posted of the details of whatever arrangement is eventually worked out to distribute these archives. Richard Hayes From gillon at CA.UTORONTO.EPAS Tue May 28 15:29:50 1991 From: gillon at CA.UTORONTO.EPAS (B. Gillon) Date: Tue, 28 May 91 11:29:50 -0400 Subject: Falk's phone number Message-ID: <161227015023.23782.10113325165968046455.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Dominik: Status: RO I am sure that my telephone number for Harry is out of date. I am surprised that you are having trouble with his email address. I was successfully communicating with him up until a couple of days ago at FALK at DFRRUF1. He mentioned to me in his last communication that he would be "out of station" for a few days, maybe a week. Brendan Gillon From ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL Tue May 28 14:22:58 1991 From: ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 28 May 91 15:22:58 +0100 Subject: Falk's phone number Message-ID: <161227015020.23782.1597105272452164578.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Would anyone with Harry Falk's current phone number be good enough to let me have it, please? I have an old number, +49 761 71156, but it seems to have been disconnected. And I my email does not seem to be getting through to Harry, either. Thanks. Dominik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Dominik Wujastyk, | Janet: D.Wujastyk at uk.ac.ucl Wellcome Institute for | Bitnet/Earn/Ean/Uucp/Internet: D.Wujastyk at ucl.ac.uk the History of Medicine,| or: dow at harvunxw.bitnet or: dow at wjh12.harvard.edu 183 Euston Road, | last resort: D.Wujastyk%uk.ac.ucl at nsfnet-relay.ac.uk London NW1 2BN, England. | Phone no.: +44 71 383-4252 ext.24 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL Tue May 28 15:49:29 1991 From: ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 28 May 91 16:49:29 +0100 Subject: Falk phone number: ok Message-ID: <161227015021.23782.9336653970532293017.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Ok: thanks everyone. I've got in touch with Harry Falk now, via Status: RO Prof. von Hinueber. Many thanks, Dominik From ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL Thu May 30 10:37:31 1991 From: ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 30 May 91 11:37:31 +0100 Subject: how to sign off INDOLOGY Message-ID: <161227015025.23782.2464381256561047931.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO In response to Patrick's request to be removed from the INDOLOGY list, the way to do it is for Patrick to send the message SIGNOFF INDOLOGY to the address LISTSERV at LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (or whatever address you ususally use for INDOLOGY, but with "LISTSERV" in place of "INDOLOGY", since this is an instruction, not a message to everyone). Later, to rejoin from a new site, send the command SUBSCRIBE INDOLOGY Patrick Olivelle to the LISTSERV. I thought this might be of general interest. ============================================================================== There is a lot of helpful documentation available about how the listserv software (which is how INDOLOGY works) functions. It is all sitting on the Liverpool machine, and indeed any machine that has the LISTSERV system running. To find out what is available, and how to order it, try sending the following commands (but not what's in square brackets) to listserv at liverpool.ac.uk: HELP [this gets you some general help] INFO ? [this gets you a list of the documentation files available] INFO REFCARD [this gets one of the files, a reference "card" of commands] ============================================================================== Dominik From ASHER at EDU.UMN.ACS.VX Fri May 31 02:24:00 1991 From: ASHER at EDU.UMN.ACS.VX (ASHER at EDU.UMN.ACS.VX) Date: Thu, 30 May 91 21:24:00 -0500 Subject: Indology discussion list Message-ID: <161227015026.23782.12097669142645871523.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io> Status: RO Does anyone know how to arrange a bitnet connection in India? I would like it for communication with a colleague in Delhi. Who might I contact for information on how to do it or who my colleague in Delhi might contact? Thanks, Frederick M. Asher