From kiparsky at EDU.STANFORD.CSLI  Mon Dec  3 06:27:08 1990
From: kiparsky at EDU.STANFORD.CSLI (Paul Kiparsky)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 90 22:27:08 -0800
Subject: More on Dvandva's
Message-ID: <161227014931.23782.4212184232511502853.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>


Just got back from a trip to Europe.  I would be glad to send that letter of
recommendation on your behalf, if it is not too late for that now.





From madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM  Wed Dec  5 20:34:10 1990
From: madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM (madhav_deshpande at EDU.UMICH.CC.UM)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 90 15:34:10 -0500
Subject: HINDI Word Processor
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From: Chris Wooff <QQ43 at liverpool.ac.uk>
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In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri
 
Is this message you sent me intended for the INDOLOGY list, if so please
repost it to INDOLOGY at LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
 
Chris
 
On Fri, 30 Nov 90 09:04:02 EST madhav_deshpande at edu.umich.cc.um said:
 
>        I have designed Hindi fonts which work on Chi-Writer.  With
>these fonts, one is able to use Chi-Writer to do word-processing in
>Hindi.  I also have designed fonts for Sanskrit/Marathi.  Chi-Writer
>can be used with CGA, Hercules, EGA, and VGA graphics, and supports
>a wide range of printers from 9-pin dot-matrix to HP LaserJets.  If
>anyone is interested in this package, please contact me:
>        Professor Madhav M. Deshpande
>        Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
>        3070 Frieze Building
>        The University of Michigan
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>  Home Phone (313) 769-1362; Office Phone (313) 747-2159.
>                                MADHAV M. DESHPANDE
>                                Deshpande at um.cc.umich.edu





From 6vannoot at EDU.BERKELEY.VIOLET  Sun Dec 16 17:00:49 1990
From: 6vannoot at EDU.BERKELEY.VIOLET (6vannoot at EDU.BERKELEY.VIOLET)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 09:00:49 -0800
Subject: More on Dvandva's
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On the subject of dvandvas, I might point out that English dvandvas are not
 only confined to phrases with "conjunctions inserted", as Brendan Gillon
 points out.  English in fact possesses a literally infinite set of dvandvas in
 the numerals:"twenty-four
twenty-five," etc. which in the Paninian system would be analyzed as "twenty
 and four, twenty and five," etc., with the possibility of synthesizing the
 phrases back to their original compound form.  These are orthodox dvandvas.
?
 





From bkessler at COM.HP.HPL.HPLB  Wed Dec 19 01:32:56 1990
From: bkessler at COM.HP.HPL.HPLB (Brett Kessler)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 17:32:56 -0800
Subject: programs (dates and eras)
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I take it interest in Indian chronology programmes is a specialized
taste, so this will be my last message to the group.  If anybody is
interested in collaborating on this or in using the final product,
please drop me a note directly, if you can.  Below is my Internet
address, in case the "From" field is munged.
 
The approach I'm using is to use the Julian Day as an intermediary
between various chronological systems.  Right now I have the Julian
and Gregorian calendars implemented, so the programme effectively is a
converter between Old and New Style dates.  Immediate plans are to
implement the current Jewish calendar (Hillel) next, because it is
familiar and totally deterministic, then the Islamic (Hijra), then
move on to strictly Indian systems.  Programming is in ANSI C, and
assumes the availability of 32-bit arithmetic.
 
I'm always happy to hear suggestions and countersuggestions.  People
willing to test at these initial phases stand a particularly good
chance of seeing their features implemented and their machine
architectures catered to!  It will also be a good deal more pleasant
to not be working in a vacuum.
 
 
 -- Brett Kessler   brett_kessler at hplabs.hpl.hp.COM





From ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL  Wed Dec 19 17:19:07 1990
From: ucgadkw at UK.AC.UCL (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 90 17:19:07 +0000
Subject: programs (dates and eras)
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Dear Brett,
 
Qui tacet consentit "Who is silent consents":  I think that you could
safely assume that most INDOLOGY-ists are very interested in your
program.  But you are probably right that the development and testing
will not be of interest to all.  So please put me on your list of high
interest people.  I have plenty of real live Hindu dates, both samvat
and saka, taken from MSS, that I would be delighted to test.  I will
normally be checking against _An Indian Ephemeris (AD 700 to AD 1799)_
by L. D. Swamikannu Pillai, (7 vols.) and _An Indian Ephemeris (AD 1800
to AD 2000)_ idem., (1 vol.), since these are what I have to hand in
my office.  I am not always confident in working the tables in his
single volume _Indian Chronology_, though those would probably be more
useful for you, in the sense that they are closer to the underlying
algorithm.
 
ANSI C is ideal. (For this task, I mean :-)
 
Best wishes, and send me anything you like as soon as you like.  I have
a C compiler (QuickC 2.00), and can deal with most compression, archiving
and encoding programs (Eg., tar + compress + btoa, or ZIP + XXencode, etc.).
 
Best wishes,
 
Dominik
 





From GILLON at CA.UTORONTO.EPAS.VM  Thu Dec 20 02:32:44 1990
From: GILLON at CA.UTORONTO.EPAS.VM (Brendan S. Gillon)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 90 21:32:44 -0500
Subject: "Tat" as Indefinite Pronoun
Message-ID: <161227014941.23782.5643340550888627388.generated@prod2.harmonylists.io>

 

No one, I think, would be inclined to render a sentence such as
`tat pa"syaami' as `I see something'; nonetheless, there are
situations where the third person pronoun has the force of the
English indefinite pronoun. This becomes most evident when there
is no plausible grammaticalized antecedent within the sentence or
preceding sentences to serve as an antecedent. I am interested in
trying to pin down the grammatical environment for such usages
and would be pleased to receive examples, along with references
and a translation.
 
Related to this usage, I believe, are occurrences of `tat' in
compounds where it has no apparent sense. Such compounds include:
"tat-utpatti", "taad-aatmya" , "tad-atipaata", "tat-kara",
"tat-kriya", "taj-j~na", "tad-dhana", "tat-para-tva",
"tan-maatra", and "tad-vidya".
 
Related to the same usage, I believe, are cases where the
third person pronoun is an alternative to the relative pronoun,
as exemplified by the sentences, as illustrated by these
sentences taken from Dharmakiirti's Pramaa.navaartika and from
Kar.nakagomin's commentary to it (there is between the sentences
cited):
 
Example 1: Gnoli Edition: p. 20, line 20
na hi tasmin ni.spanne ani.spanna.h bhinna-hetuka.h vaa tat-svabhaava,h
yukta.h.
 
For, when something has arisen, it cannot be the nature of either
that which has not arisen or that whose causes are different.
 
Note: "tasmin" is the antecedent of "tat" and "tat-svabhaava"
      is a bahuvrihi compound.
 
 
Example 2: Sankrtyayana's Edition: p. 48, line 4 of commentary
yasmin anumiiyamaane kaarya-antaram api tat-vi"se.sa.nam ni"scitam
bhavati.
 
When something is being inferred, another effect too is
ascertained as a quality of it.
 
Note: "yasmin" is the antecedent of "tat" and "tat-vi"se.sa.nam"
      is a bahuvrihi compound.
 
 
Indeed, it seems to me that Kar.nakagomin's sentence could have
easily have read:
 
tat-anumaane kaarya-antaram api tat-vi"se.sa.nam ni"scitam bhavati.
 
This opinion was confirmed to me by Kamaleswara Bhattacharya.
 
 
Examples and opinions pertaining to such cases would be greatly
appreciated.