<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Molesworth’s Marathi-English dictionary (2nd ed. 1857 p. 487a): paṃta m (Abridged from paṃḍita for which word it is still used at Benares &c.) A prefix of honor before each of the designations of the aṣṭapradhāna or eight grand counselors of the realm; as paṃta pratinidhi, paṃta amātya. 2. An affix to the name of a Bráhman who, not having studied the Shástras, employs himself in accounts and writing.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“Asok"<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Feb 2020, at 17.25, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <<a href="mailto:indology@list.indology.info" class="">indology@list.indology.info</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Allen,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">     Difficult to say.  From the story about Lukambhatta that I recounted, it seems that his role as a court astrologer may have given him the title of Bhatta.  Otherwise, Panta or Rao are the common honorifics used in Marathi.  Some names typically get Panta, while others typically get Rao.  For my name, I have always heard Madhav Rao, but for my father, it was always Murlidhar Panta.  </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Madhav</div><div class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Madhav M. Deshpande<div class="">Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics</div><div class="">University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA</div><div class="">Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]<br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:10 AM Allen Thrasher <<a href="mailto:alanus1216@yahoo.com" class="">alanus1216@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">
Madhav,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does the switch from -Bhatta to -Panta represent the bestowal of some sort of title or mark of distinction?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Allen<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" target="_blank" class="">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br class=""><br class=""><p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px" class="">On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 10:03 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <<a href="mailto:indology@list.indology.info" target="_blank" class="">indology@list.indology.info</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote class=""><div id="gmail-m_-5362823253140780773yiv4221178025" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">In an old letter of my father, he lists our genealogy from the 16th or 17th century.  Here are some interesting details:</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Our known genealogy from 16th or 17th century:</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Lukambhatta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Avajipanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Vitthalapanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Balajipanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Gobajipanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Abajipanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Balajipanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Sakopanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Appajipanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Sakopanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Krishnapanta></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Sakharampanta [wife: Bakula]></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Ramchandrapanta [wife: Janaki]></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Vasudevpanta [wife: Lakshmi]></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Murlidhar Panta [wife: Mandakini]></span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">Madhav [wife: Shubhangi]</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">My father had recovered this long genealogy from some old land ownership documents.  The land was originally granted to Lukambhatta [probably in the 16th of 17th century] and was handed down to the eldest son till my great-grand-father, and then it was sold.  There is a funny story told about Lukambhatta.  He was a Jyotishi "astrologer" at the court of some local ruler and it was his job to tell the king what Tithi it was on a given day.  One day he made a mistake and told the ruler that it was a full moon night (Paurnima), when actually it was a no moon night (Amavasya).  That obviously created a big problem.  But Lukambhatta told the king that he was such an ardent devotee of some divinity that the king will indeed see the moon in the sky that night.  Evidently the king saw the moon on an Amavasya night, and was pleased with Lukambhatta and granted him the land that came all the way down to my great-grand-father.  A magical story indeed.</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">My Sanskrit version of this genealogy:</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">भारद्वाजस्य गोत्रे मे देशपाण्डेकुलोद्भव: ।</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">तत्रादिपुरुषोऽस्माकं लुकम्भट्ट इति श्र्रुत: ।।</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,system-ui,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class=""><span style="font-family:inherit" class="">ज्येष्ठस्तस्य सुतो ज्ञात आवजीपन्तनामक: ।</span></span></div></div><div style="font-family:system-ui,-ap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