[INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 24, Issue 19

Lavanya Vemsani lavanyavemsani at gmail.com
Mon Jan 19 12:13:23 EST 2015


Hello All,
This seems a typical issue for India. The problem arises because there is no religious studies or Hindu studies conference in India. They just have to go for either Social Science or Science Congress. I think any way they got the attention. Hopefully this translates into Academic study of religion in India.
Thank you all.
Lavanya

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>   1. Murty fonts available (Dominik Wujastyk)
>   2. Re: Controversy over Indian Science Congress to include    panel
>      On Pushpaka Vimanas (palaniappa at aol.com)
>   3. Re: Controversy over Indian Science Congress to include    panel
>      On Pushpaka Vimanas (Howard Resnick)
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> From: palaniappa at aol.com
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> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over Indian Science Congress to
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> This op-ed may be of interest to some.
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> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/scientists-without-a-scientific-temper/article6794464.ece
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> Regards,
> Palaniappan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dermot <dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk>
> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 1:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over Indian Science Congress to include panel On Pushpaka Vimanas
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> 
> I've read these posts, and the websites they refer to, with some wry amusement, and much 
> sorrow.
> 
> It distresses me not only that such hermeneutically crude interpretations of ancient Indian 
> texts abound, from Dayananda Sarasvati to the present, but that the genuine scientific 
> achievements of ancient India, in phonetics and grammar for instance, are ignored. They are 
> insufficiently spectacular, and take too much explanation, to appeal to Modi and his admirers.
> 
> There seems to be a lack of understanding that science is not a set of techniques for making 
> things work, nor a set of doctrines, but a set of methods -- including the replication of 
> experiments. Part of the blame for this must be taken by the colonial education system, from 
> Macaulay onwards, which promoted literary and historical study at the expense of science, 
> which would have cost more if it had been pursued as it was in Europe. If only Rammohun 
> Roy's demand for "a more liberal and enlightened system of instruction, embracing 
> mathematics, natural philosophy [i.e. science], chemistry, anatomy, with other useful 
> sciences" (letter to Lord Amherst, 1823) had prevailed, the number of internationally reputed 
> Indian scientists would be far greater, and the relation between textual accounts and the 
> phenomenal world would be better understood. 
> 
> Dermot Killingley
> 
>> On 29 Dec 2014 at 7:33, Michael Witzel wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to draw your attention to V. Raghavan's (separately
>> published) paper (33 pp.)
>> 
>> Yantras or Mechanical Contrivances in Ancient India. 
>> 
>> Transaction no. 10 (2nd edition)
>> The Indian Institute of Culture
>> (6, North Public Square Road, Bangalore 4)
>> 1956
>> 
>> He also deals with "aerial vehicles" extensively, with text passages
>> taken from Epic and Classical literature but also (importantly) from:
>> * Mane?svara's Manasollasa (c. 1131 CE) and * Bhoja's
>> ?Srgarama?jari and his Samaragaasutradhara.
>> 
>> Extensive description of a light wood bird, with several fires heating
>> mercury inside... 
>> 
>> Amusingly, the texts often refer to the technical knowledge of ... the
>> Yavana.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>> 
>>    Here's a refutation of the Vaimanika arguments, by a group of
>>    Indian scholars at the Indian Institute of Technology at
>>    Bangalore, from 1974. PDF attached to this email.
>> 
>>    H. S. Mukunda, S. M. Deshpande, H. R. Nagendra, A. Prabhu, S. P.
>>    Govindaraju, "A Critical Sudy of the Work Vymanika Shastra" in
>>    Scientific Opinion, 1974:5-12.
>> 
>>    Best,
>>    Dominik Wujastyk
>> 
>>    <ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf>_____________________
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>> ============
>>    Michael Witzel
>>    witzel at fas.harvard.edu
>>    <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
>>    Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,
>>    Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University
>>    1 Bow Street,
>>    Cambridge MA 02138, USA
>> 
>>    phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, fax 617 - 496 8571;
>>    direct line: 617- 496 2990
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> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:17:23 -0500
> From: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
> To: palaniappa at aol.com
> Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over Indian Science Congress to
>    include    panel On Pushpaka Vimanas
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> This op-ed is interesting and amusing. To join the ?Society for Scientific Temper?, one had to sign a statement containing this philosophically naive clause: I believe that knowledge can be acquired only through human endeavour and not through revelation...
> 
> I guess Sir Isaac Newton, and a good number of modern Nobel laureates in science, would not have qualified for the SfST.
> 
> We should certainly keep physics and metaphysics (to use Aristotle?s terms) within their respective boundaries. But to say that knowledge can only be acquired through human endeavor is an excellent example of going from one irrational extreme to the other, i.e. from religious dogmatism to dogmatic (and self-contradictory) positivism.
> 
> Epistemological imperialism, like political or economic imperialism, tends to make a mess. 
> 
> Best,
> Howard
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Date: January 19, 2015 at 8:35:40 AM EST
>> From: palaniappa at aol.com
>> To: dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk, indology at list.indology.info
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over Indian Science Congress to include panel On Pushpaka Vimanas
>> 
>> 
>> This op-ed may be of interest to some.
>> 
>> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/scientists-without-a-scientific-temper/article6794464.ece
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Palaniappan
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dermot <dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk>
>> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Sent: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 1:09 pm
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over Indian Science Congress to include panel On Pushpaka Vimanas
>> 
>> I've read these posts, and the websites they refer to, with some wry amusement, and much 
>> sorrow.
>> 
>> It distresses me not only that such hermeneutically crude interpretations of ancient Indian 
>> texts abound, from Dayananda Sarasvati to the present, but that the genuine scientific 
>> achievements of ancient India, in phonetics and grammar for instance, are ignored. They are 
>> insufficiently spectacular, and take too much explanation, to appeal to Modi and his admirers.
>> 
>> There seems to be a lack of understanding that science is not a set of techniques for making 
>> things work, nor a set of doctrines, but a set of methods -- including the replication of 
>> experiments. Part of the blame for this must be taken by the colonial education system, from 
>> Macaulay onwards, which promoted literary and historical study at the expense of science, 
>> which would have cost more if it had been pursued as it was in Europe. If only Rammohun 
>> Roy's demand for "a more liberal and enlightened system of instruction, embracing 
>> mathematics, natural philosophy [i.e. science], chemistry, anatomy, with other useful 
>> sciences" (letter to Lord Amherst, 1823) had prevailed, the number of internationally reputed 
>> Indian scientists would be far greater, and the relation between textual accounts and the 
>> phenomenal world would be better understood. 
>> 
>> Dermot Killingley
>> 
>>> On 29 Dec 2014 at 7:33, Michael Witzel wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would like to draw your attention to V. Raghavan's (separately
>>> published) paper (33 pp.)
>>> 
>>> Yantras or Mechanical Contrivances in Ancient India. 
>>> 
>>> Transaction no. 10 (2nd edition)
>>> The Indian Institute of Culture
>>> (6, North Public Square Road, Bangalore 4)
>>> 1956
>>> 
>>> He also deals with "aerial vehicles" extensively, with text passages
>>> taken from Epic and Classical literature but also (importantly) from:
>>> * Mane?svara's Manasollasa (c. 1131 CE) and * Bhoja's
>>> ?Srgarama?jari and his Samaragaasutradhara.
>>> 
>>> Extensive description of a light wood bird, with several fires heating
>>> mercury inside... 
>>> 
>>> Amusingly, the texts often refer to the technical knowledge of ... the
>>> Yavana.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Here's a refutation of the Vaimanika arguments, by a group of
>>>    Indian scholars at the Indian Institute of Technology at
>>>    Bangalore, from 1974. PDF attached to this email.
>>> 
>>>    H. S. Mukunda, S. M. Deshpande, H. R. Nagendra, A. Prabhu, S. P.
>>>    Govindaraju, "A Critical Sudy of the Work Vymanika Shastra" in
>>>    Scientific Opinion, 1974:5-12.
>>> 
>>>    Best,
>>>    Dominik Wujastyk
>>> 
>>>    <ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf>_____________________
>>>    ____________ ______________ INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>    INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info> http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ============
>>>    Michael Witzel
>>>    witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
>>>    <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm <http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>>
>>>    Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,
>>>    Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University
>>>    1 Bow Street,
>>>    Cambridge MA 02138, USA
>>> 
>>>    phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, fax 617 - 496 8571;
>>>    direct line: 617- 496 2990
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dermot Killingley
>> 9, Rectory Drive,
>> Gosforth,
>> Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT
>> Phone (0191) 285 8053
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